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Our phone number 17 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: if you'd like to get on board, and that'd be great. 18 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: We'll talk about your home project. It is eight hundred 19 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: A two three A two five five and well, I 20 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: don't know, maybe we start thinking about. 21 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: It's hard to believe. 22 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: In fact, it's shocking holidays like six weeks away, and 23 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: that'll go real fast, as you know, And maybe there's 24 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: some things in the kitchen area, maybe in the family 25 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: area you've been kind of putting it off, kind of 26 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: haven't really tackled the project. Yesterday we talked about garage 27 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: floors and organizing the garage since so many of our 28 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: guests go through the garage nowadays, not not all homes, 29 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: but certainly in the more modern homes. That is way 30 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: to enter a lot of houses. I call it the 31 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: modern day fourier. But also maybe we start looking at 32 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: the kitchen, you know, what could be done, even if 33 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: something as simple as. 34 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: Cleaning the cabinets. 35 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: Maybe it's sprucing it up and changing the knobs on 36 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: a cabinet. Maybe if you have a ceramic towel, you're 37 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: looking and saying, oh my gosh, I can't take the 38 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: groud anymore. So we'll talk a little bit about that 39 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: and how you can spruce things up, and of course 40 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: we'll also talk a little bit about projects you're working 41 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: on again, if you'd like to discuss that. It's eight 42 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 2: hundred eight two three eight two five five at the 43 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: bottom of the hour. Jeff Wheeling, he is a custom 44 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: home builder in my hometown, which is Cincinnati, Ohio, and 45 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: builds beautiful homes. His whole family's been in it four years. 46 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: And we're going to have him on and we're just 47 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: going to talk about what's going on in the building industry. 48 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: I like you, hear a lot of news tariffs and 49 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: wood supplies and contractor subs and not enough people working anyway, 50 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: all the headaches. I guess we'll talk to Jeff and 51 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: then we'll also kind of get into his expertise of 52 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: maybe what mistakes folks that are getting ready to build 53 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: a home or what misconceptions they have, and anyway, Jeff's 54 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: a very knowledgeable person, good personality, and we have a 55 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: chat with him at the bottom of the hour. In 56 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: the meantime, grab a line again. It's eight hundred eighty 57 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: two three, two five five, and Dave you lead us off. 58 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Welcome. 59 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: Thanks, Gary, really love your show. You got a problem 60 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: with the roof on the Florida room at the back 61 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: of the house. 62 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: Huh. 63 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: Roof has six panels about three feet wide and twelve 64 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: feet long, and I think they may be aluminum covered 65 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: with some kind of material pabbily maybe, But anyway, at 66 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: the joints. There are cracks. Looks like the joints may 67 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 3: have had a calk and then covered by some flexible material. 68 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: But there are cracks, and I'm afraid they're going to 69 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: be leaks, so I wonder what I should use to 70 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: prepare those. 71 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: So this is on the finished side of like a 72 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: porcherry or a four seasons room. 73 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, yeah, that's right, that's it exactly. 74 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: And you say the the material is metal. 75 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: I think so. I I think it's metal covered with 76 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 3: some kind of pebbly white material maybe. I mean, I 77 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: mean it looks like a kind of a rough finish. 78 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 3: I think it's aluminum. 79 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: And but the are they cracks or they just the 80 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: seam from the metal? 81 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, it's the seams where the two where 82 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: the metal panels a butt. So the cracks go all 83 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: the way down, you know, from the house to the 84 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: to the gutter. And I think it's probably twenty five 85 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 3: years old or something. And I don't think anything has 86 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 3: been done in that. 87 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: Is there anything leaked at this point. 88 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: Not that I can tell. 89 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, So. 90 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: I guess what you're seeing is kind of a superficial 91 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: cosmetic covering of whatever that substrate is beneath it? 92 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 93 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, So. 94 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: I'm assuming and I guess you don't know, and I 95 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: don't know, and I can't see it that beneath that 96 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: could be just. 97 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: Fine, I see, uh huh, you know. 98 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: I mean, if it hasn't shown anything, I guess the 99 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: one thing that I'm kind of struggling at is if 100 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 2: it's a superficial color covering and its panels, you know, 101 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: to dress up this ceiling area in this four seasons room, 102 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: why is there why is there a gap in that scene? 103 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: How were they connected originally and what made them become loose? 104 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: If it's metal, it should be relatively stable. So I'm 105 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: kind of going back to that same thing you said 106 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: at one time, it looks like it was filled with 107 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: like a cocking or something, and I would probably take 108 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: you in that same direction, knowing what I know. You know, 109 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: so you know the only problem with the cocking and 110 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: something like that is you got to get the old 111 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: cocking out. There's a lot of different cock removers. You'll 112 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: probably need a little help. It doesn't just remove the cocking. 113 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: What it does is it softens the cocking, and then 114 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: you can get a cock removing tool which is really 115 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: like about an eight inch knife within usually plastic, and 116 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: it has a little hook where you can get behind 117 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: that cocking if you put a cock removing gel on 118 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: it to soften it up, and you can kind of 119 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: pull that stripping free. And once you get that cleaned out, 120 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: you can use Since it is the same kind of material, 121 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: it's metal on metal, so it's not a mixed substrate. 122 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: I would just use like a regular acrylic siliconized calking, 123 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: which would be good adhesion, good flexibility. It is painable 124 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: if you wanted to paint it or had to paint 125 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: it one or the other. So I'm thinking, based on 126 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: the information get you gave me, I think that's probably 127 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: the direction we want to go to. Cosmically, just kind 128 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: of dress it up so it doesn't look like there's 129 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: you know, gaps. 130 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: I since we don't have a. 131 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: Leak, I I'm guessing that that's just over a wood 132 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: substrate and the roof above it is in good shape 133 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: and we don't have any moisture or water. We're just 134 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: kind of dressing it up if you will. 135 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: Oh, okay, well this is on the on the roof part. 136 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: It's I mean on the outside. So the inside. Yeah, 137 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: the inside looks fine, But I was wondering on the 138 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: calk on the outside. If I use the cock, would 139 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 3: that siliconized calk stand up to the UV rays. 140 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: Or well, it will eventually fail. But yes, it is 141 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: an indoor outdoor calking. You should probably get a good 142 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: ten years out of it. Now, there are other things 143 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: you can use up there that There's a euthane, which 144 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: probably your thing. Calking has the greatest adhesion and the 145 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: greatest flexibility, and it is paintable. Silicone has great adhesion, 146 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: great flexibility, but it's generally not paintable, and I don't 147 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: know if that's important or not. Comes in clear and 148 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: white and different colors, so if it's on the outside, yeah, 149 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: I guess this seems we do want to fill up 150 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: otherwise moisture could get in there and start the process 151 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: of whatever that. Yeah, is it kind of like a 152 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 2: modular four season room or is it a pretty permanent, 153 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: you know, stick built four seasons room. 154 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's I don't know. It's it's twelve by 155 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: eighteen feet approximately approximately, and uh, you know, windows, sliding 156 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,479 Speaker 3: doors on each. 157 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: Side, and a lot of glass, Yeah, a lot of glass. Yeah, 158 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: I mean yeah, and a lot of it's constructed with 159 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: vinyl or aluminum something like that. 160 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah. 161 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: And you don't know what who the manufacturer that was, 162 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: do you. 163 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: No, I don't. I afree not my folks that are 164 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: put up. 165 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 2: Simm so based on what I know, Yeah, if you 166 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: want to go with the euro thane, uh, the the 167 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: Acrell exterior calk is used. That's probably used in eighty 168 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: percent of the case's exterior, So it would work. If 169 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: you wanted to get something a little more better adhesion, 170 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: better flexibility, maybe go with your thing. Another thing you 171 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: might do is you might call around to people that 172 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: do four seasons room or even a roofer. They have 173 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: him take a look at it because they don't know 174 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: what's going on underneath. 175 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: And I don't know if anything's going on underneath. 176 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So I hope that helps well, it helps a lot. 177 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Gary, You're quite welcome. Thanks Dave, 178 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: take care all right. 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Gary, Well, 229 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: if you go drive through a you know a builder, 230 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: a track builder, you know where, you know building, you know, 231 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: two hundred homes in an area kind of all looked 232 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: the same. You'll notice you see the house and you 233 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: see the front of the garage, or if you look 234 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: on the side, you probably see the garage. I mean, 235 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: it's very prominent. It's part of a big part of 236 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: the house. In a lot of cases, I think a 237 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: lot of visitors those homes enter through the garage. So 238 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: let's get it cleaned up. And we've been talking about 239 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: We talked about that at length yesterday. Get it organized, 240 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: get it cleaned up. And today I was thinking before 241 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: doing the show today, like we're six weeks from the holidays, 242 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: which is hard to believe the beginning of them, and 243 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: what's kind of bugging you in your kitchen. 244 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: Got ceramic tile? You got crummy grout? Bathroom? How's the grout? 245 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: I'm hung up on grout today. What kind of shape 246 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: is it in? And by the way, if there's some 247 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: grout missing in a ceramic floor or tiles are cracked, 248 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: that's not good. That's kind of telling you there's not 249 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: a real stable base for that ceramic tile. It grows 250 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: how long it's been there, and repair can be challenging, 251 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: and I'm not going to encourage you to go take 252 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: on a big project right now. Let's go replace the 253 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: whole floor, though you can. And if you're going to 254 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: do something like that, I'd recommend maybe taking a look 255 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,359 Speaker 2: at some of the LVT. 256 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: And that can be installed right over an old wood 257 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: floor or an old ceramic floor. Don't necessarily have to 258 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: take up the old floor. But if everything looks structurally okay, 259 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: the tile looks all right, but the ground is terrible, 260 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: we can clean that up. And there's you know, all 261 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: kinds of ground cleaning products out on the market. 262 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: It's a lot of scrubbing. Sometimes it's stained to a point. 263 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: Maybe you're not going to clean it up all the way, 264 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: but there's a couple things if it's really bad and 265 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: something that's you know, I am kind of all about 266 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 2: easy if it can become easy, and uh, it might 267 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: be time consuming, but there is services that can paint 268 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: your grout. There are products out there where you can 269 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: paint the grout comes in a little bottle looks like 270 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: a liquid shoe polish with a little sponge on the top. 271 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: Once you get a little bit cleaner and open up 272 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: those pores of that ground, you can run that over 273 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: the grout line and literally paint it and seal it 274 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: at the same time. There's also a way, when you 275 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 2: think about it, that that's staining in that dirt on 276 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 2: their grout, it probably isn't a sixty fourth of an 277 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: inch down into the ground. In other words, it's more surface. 278 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: And if you're really trying to clean it with a 279 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: ground cleaner and you still can't get it clean, if 280 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: you have. 281 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: A little dremal tool and a little cone shaped stone 282 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: that fits in. 283 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: It, and there's like two hundred different types of attachments 284 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: on that dremal, you. 285 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: Can usual you can usually take that dremal tool almost use. 286 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: It as a as a pencil and that stone and 287 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 2: just go up and down that grout and sand or 288 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: scratch off that surface until you remove that's sixty fourth 289 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: of an inch of stained grouled and seal it. Definitely, 290 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: definitely seal it, and that's another way to kind of 291 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: bring that back to life. 292 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: Paint it, clean it or seal it. You've cleaned it 293 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: with a stone with like a drumble stone. All right, 294 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: Jeff Wheeland's gonna join us. If you're thinking about maybe. 295 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: You hear a lot on the news all about home 296 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: builders and you know, tariffs on supplies and lack of contractor. 297 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: We're going to get the industry news from Jeff, and 298 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 2: also what's hot in remodeling in new homes. 299 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: He's our man. 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So we're talking 348 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: to a lot of people across the country. Right now. 349 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: But you are a and your family has been involved 350 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 2: in custom home building for how many years? 351 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 6: If you dated back to my grandfathers, we're probably talking 352 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 6: more than seventy five years of the homes just here 353 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 6: in southwest Ohio. 354 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: Well, so I don't know where to start, but I 355 00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: got a lot of questions. You know, home building, and 356 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: you see this and we're all hearing stuff on the news. 357 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: I just kind of wanted to go right right right 358 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: to the horses mouth and get what's what's going on, 359 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: what the trials, what the tribulations, what's the great things 360 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: going on? 361 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: But home building really does drive our economy across the 362 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: United States? Do you agree with that? 363 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, I absolutely agree with it. You know, I think 364 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 6: that if you talk to every industry, if you talk 365 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 6: to the truck drivers, if you talk to the food industry, 366 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 6: and then you talk to those people, they all believe 367 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 6: that they probably lead the United States as well. But 368 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 6: as far as jobs, and I don't have the exact 369 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 6: data right, but you know, when I build a house, 370 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 6: we have data that says that there's probably over three 371 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 6: hundred and fifty people who work on that house and 372 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 6: at given time, and then if you take it back 373 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 6: to all the way back to all of the county officials, 374 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,239 Speaker 6: all of the inspectors, all of the truck drivers, all 375 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 6: of the architects, all the people that led it up 376 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 6: to that point. It's even more so it is. It's 377 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 6: a ton of people who work in this industry. 378 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: You get into furniture makers, hardware stores, to supply houses. 379 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it touches. It touches a lot of people. 380 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: It touches a lot of people. And you, you're a 381 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: custom home builder, explain the difference between a custom home 382 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: builder and a track home builder. 383 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 6: Favorite question ever, because I think the word custom gets 384 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 6: tossed around a lot, like a lot of other industries 385 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 6: have words to get tossed around, and the cattle business 386 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 6: people tossed around the angus word all the time, and 387 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 6: it doesn't really need anything. So custom to me is 388 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 6: what we do is start from a blank sheet of paper, design, build, 389 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 6: picking all of the ideas. We're building the house specifically 390 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 6: for somebody. But we don't build market houses, we don't 391 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 6: build neighborhoods. We're not developers. And this is specifically what 392 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 6: we're he or for. And and you could say that's 393 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 6: the best house that was ever built because it was 394 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 6: built specifically for those people. Every decision, every dimension, every color, 395 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 6: every every flooring, floor covering next to your wall covering 396 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 6: has made decisions together with the builder and the customer 397 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 6: and that and that's what it means to me. I 398 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 6: think where it gets misconstrued at is where people are saying, hey, 399 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 6: what we're custom and they're making a few modifications to 400 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 6: a standard plan, or they're building on your lot, or 401 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 6: you know, they call them semi custom, which again I 402 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 6: don't understand that word either either. 403 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: You already aren't used. 404 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 6: And so there's a lot of different things, but it 405 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 6: has to be specific for that customer, drawn from scratch. 406 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 6: Whereas in neighborhoods where you have where I call them 407 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 6: neighborhood houses, trying to be nice, not call them production houses. 408 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 6: And those are houses where you go into a model 409 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 6: uh you you choose from a number of floor plans, 410 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 6: you choose from a number of standard options, and they 411 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 6: put your plane together and you know, probably six months 412 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 6: later you have a house. So it's a completely different 413 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 6: process altogether. 414 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say something and correct me if I'm wrong. 415 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. I was just when you're listening to you. 416 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: I was just thinking, maybe a custom home builder is 417 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: a little more creative, a little more artistic, a little 418 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 2: more price isn't addressing, isn't driving the sale. I'm not 419 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: saying it's not important, but it's not driving the sale. 420 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: Maybe a neighborhood housing project price is driving the sale 421 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: more so. And yeah, I think the semi custom means 422 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: maybe you can have a brown roof instead of a 423 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: black roof. Maybe you can't. It depends on what the 424 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: HOA says. But do you think that's a good good 425 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 2: way of describing it. 426 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 6: I think that again, budget gets misconstrued with customs because 427 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 6: even a five million dollar house, we still have a 428 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 6: budget and within the confines of it. And and I 429 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 6: think the same thing for neighborhood houses. They're trying to 430 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 6: hit a specific target to where they are going to 431 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 6: open up the opportunity for as many people to buy 432 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 6: that house in that target market, right. And I remember 433 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 6: when I was president of the Homebuilding Association, we had 434 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 6: data that said every time the price of a house 435 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 6: went up one thousand dollars, there was so many people 436 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,239 Speaker 6: that couldn't afford to build that house anymore. Those are 437 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 6: the production builders. They rely heavily on the market and 438 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 6: what the interest rate is doing, because that affects the 439 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 6: person's payment and whether or not they can afford that house. 440 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 6: Whereas in custom yet you know, it's it's a it's 441 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 6: more of a situation where it's not necessarily budget driven, 442 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 6: but it's what the customer wants driven. There aren't options, 443 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 6: there's there's customer desires, there's not upgrades, it's what it's 444 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 6: just what the people pick. So everything, everything gets driven 445 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 6: on what the customer wants and not necessarily what they 446 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 6: can they can afford. But again you have to, you know, 447 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 6: the builder, we always have to be good stewards of 448 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 6: the people's money and making sure that we're putting into 449 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 6: good use as whatever they're looking for. 450 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: So that was and that that says it very well. 451 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: Thank you you As a custom home builder, what's the 452 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: biggest part of your. 453 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: Job you think? 454 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: I mean, because if I'm a homeowner and I want 455 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: to custom build home, and who doesn't I better get 456 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: a builder. We're on the same page. I mean, that 457 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: sounds very simple. But what what do you feel like 458 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: the most important role you play in your business? 459 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: I know you have seventy. 460 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 6: I know, but but but you hit on it. I 461 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 6: think that the most and that's not necessarily the most 462 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 6: important role that I play, but the relationship between my 463 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 6: company and our customers. And you know, there are people 464 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 6: who are not meant in this world to build a house, 465 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 6: and they need to just go by an existing house. 466 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 6: And that's why market houses are really a good option. 467 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 6: Resale is a really good option for people. And I'm 468 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 6: not saying that to be mean. I'm saying, hey, there's 469 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 6: a lot of decisions, and there's a lot of time 470 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 6: and effort. And when I sit down with people, the 471 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 6: first thing I say is they always say, hey, how 472 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 6: long does it take you to build a house like that? 473 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 6: And I say, don't worry about how long it takes 474 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 6: us to build this house. Let's talk about how much 475 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 6: time you have to dedicate to this project, because we 476 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 6: need a ton of time from you, and not everybody's 477 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 6: prepared for that. So people really need to understand that 478 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 6: that dedication and that time commitment in there. But you know, 479 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 6: it's really important that you align with your builder and 480 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 6: that you guys have a really good relationship. If there's 481 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 6: something that's off between it, and it's no different than 482 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 6: any other relationship that you have in your life, if 483 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 6: there's something that's off in that relationship, because it's a 484 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 6: long term relationship, especially in custom building. You know where 485 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 6: you are in the design phase for probably six seven months, 486 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 6: sometimes a couple of years, you're building. We are building 487 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 6: this house together, you know, probably for twelve to sixteen months, 488 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 6: and then you have a warranty period and then you know, 489 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 6: MY goal is always to be able to still have 490 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 6: this friendly relationship with these customers where we're talking to 491 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 6: each other. You know, we've gotten into now where we 492 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 6: continue to come back and work for the families over 493 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 6: and over again, doing different things for them. I want 494 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 6: to build that relationship and keep it going. So that's 495 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 6: that's another really important part. But if we don't want 496 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 6: our customers, if I only can speak for as Wheeland builders, 497 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 6: I don't want my customers to come in and be 498 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 6: transactional and say, hey, what's your price for square foot? 499 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: Right? 500 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 6: And right? Well, yeah, there's so many other factors. 501 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you say, some people maybe it's not cut 502 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: out for, but there's probably other people that really get 503 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: into it. 504 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 6: Passion, it's time, passion and money is what I talk 505 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 6: to people about all the time, and that time commitment 506 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 6: is what we just talked about, passion being one of 507 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 6: the most important parts because I want you involved. I 508 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 6: want you making decisions. I want you looking up things 509 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 6: and bringing them to us and saying, hey, what if 510 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 6: we did this, or what if we did this, and 511 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 6: and coming up with ideas and and just really invested 512 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 6: into it. And that's what makes the project really cool, 513 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 6: you know, and uh, and making it exciting and making 514 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 6: it theirs. 515 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: Well, Jeff, I've known you for many years and your 516 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 2: family doing custom home building and stuff. I'm sure you've 517 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: got more than a couple of families that you build 518 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: a house for and turn around and build a house again. 519 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 6: We do and and and it's really I love that 520 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 6: part of it because it's a there's nothing that you 521 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 6: can hang your hat on better than and somebody coming 522 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 6: back to you and wanting to work with you again. 523 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 6: But then there's you know, in our line of work, 524 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 6: it's kind of crazy, but we built on these larger 525 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 6: acre sites, so there's opportunity for other buildings to be 526 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 6: built on the site. And now we're come back and 527 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 6: we're building another detached for as we're building another poolhouse, 528 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 6: we're building another. Uh right now, owner of Maramahouse from 529 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four are building an in law suite on 530 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 6: the back of it. It's attached to the house, so 531 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 6: there's other opportunities and may continue to want us to 532 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 6: come back and do those things. And I really take 533 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 6: a lot of pride in that. 534 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: Sure. 535 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: Jeff Wheeling, he's my guess. He's with Wheeland Builders. Uh, 536 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: let's take a little break and if I can keep 537 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: you about another ten minutes, I want to get you 538 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: to give us your take on the status of the 539 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: building industry, the demand, workforce and sound good to you. 540 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, very good, Jeff, thank you. We'll take 541 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: that break. 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He is with Wheeling Custom 585 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 2: Builders and he builds custom homes and boy, uh, Jeff, 586 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 2: I guess this is a wide open question, but your 587 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 2: take on the state of the building industry. I know 588 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: that's a huge question, but where where is everything at? 589 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 6: You know, I think it's been a good shitting. I mean, 590 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 6: I one of my mentors forever always told me, you 591 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 6: pay attention to your own economy and don't pay attention 592 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 6: to anybody else's. And Wheeling builders weren't really busy and that, 593 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 6: and I think that that's just a method of the 594 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 6: way we do things and the opportunity that we've opened 595 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 6: ourselves up to to be in a market at Southwest Ohio, 596 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 6: not just in a certain neighborhood or something. I think 597 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 6: that if I look around, you know, where we live 598 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 6: in Lebanon, and if I look around Lebanon and see 599 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 6: I have constant conversations with our superintendent there and he 600 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 6: gets a report of how many different developments are going 601 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 6: in in the city limits, in the townships that affect 602 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 6: the school. And if I look at that list, the 603 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 6: building industry is on fire. I mean, it's amazing how 604 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 6: much stuff is happening and going on, even though the 605 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 6: woes that are faced with it. When you think about pricing, 606 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 6: when you think about interest rate, things are still happening 607 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 6: on a daily basis. So I think it's in a 608 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 6: I think it's in a space there where it fits 609 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 6: in between. It's it's riding along, you know, it's not 610 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 6: failing and it's not going crazy. So it's something that 611 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 6: I think there would would dream of to keep a 612 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 6: consistent line on that market. 613 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, our country is in a lot of spaces 614 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 2: and a lot of different economies. I love your mentor's 615 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 2: take on us. Worry about your economy. My daughter lives 616 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 2: in Sharks. Every time I go down there, there's like 617 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 2: fifteen more huge, massive high rise condo developments, and where 618 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 2: I'm in Integrator Cincinnati area, there's condo developments, but they're same. 619 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 2: There's all kinds of land that's being built on residential areas, homes, 620 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 2: and so I kind of agree with you. I mean, 621 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: we hear maybe you know, nothing's ever perfect, not everybody 622 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 2: can get what we want. But it seems like the 623 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 2: building industry is on fire. 624 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 6: That that condo apartment building thing. I think that that 625 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 6: really comes from a couple of different factors. One is, 626 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 6: you know, when you look back at the recession where 627 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 6: people were losing everything, every everything they had, including their house, 628 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 6: they didn't want to get into a situation like that, 629 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 6: so they were starting to rent. And then the other 630 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 6: part of it is is that these parents want to 631 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 6: live next to or close to their grand baby and 632 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 6: they're moving to they want to have another place that 633 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 6: they can go to as a vacation destination, and they 634 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 6: want to have a place that they can live close 635 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 6: to their kids. And I think that that is something 636 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 6: that people are really caught ontore. And then and then 637 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 6: this whole walkability deal that people talk about, you know 638 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 6: where they tried it in Cincinnati and and but you know, 639 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 6: they sprawl out and you go to Liberty Town Center 640 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 6: and you go to different areas where you can live 641 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 6: in a condo, you can walk downstairs and walk down 642 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 6: and go to restaurants, go to bars, ice cream, whatever 643 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 6: you want, entertainment, and it's it's all walkable. So I 644 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 6: think all of those things play into that big condo 645 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 6: apartment complex building. 646 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well there's nothing wrong. 647 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 2: Cultures and things change, right, But I don't see the 648 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 2: residential buildings slowing down any either. So maybe we're just 649 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: you know, grabbing more cultural things at different segments and 650 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 2: different generations, and that's been going on for a long time. 651 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 6: I think. So as as any business owner. You have 652 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 6: to watch the economy. You have to watch what's happening 653 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 6: around you, in which direction it's going, and trying to 654 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 6: see if it see if something like that adapts to 655 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 6: your number. 656 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 2: We've all heard for the last ten years in a 657 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 2: workforce workforce. 658 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: A lot of people retiring. 659 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 2: We're getting a lot of companies working, bringing in new 660 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 2: people into the workforce, and we hear people grumbling there's 661 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 2: not enough workforce in construction. 662 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: Is that beginning to change? 663 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 6: Well, there's there's always been a workforce, but it's the 664 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 6: skilled workforce that we need. It's the people who understand 665 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 6: specific methods of construction. So we need into your turn carpenters, 666 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 6: we need painters, we need you know, people who can 667 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 6: operate equipment. You know that those specific skill sets need 668 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 6: to be there or you know, what I always tell 669 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 6: people is is you need to have the drive to 670 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 6: be able to want to learn to do it. And 671 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 6: and if you have the drive, you know, a hungry, 672 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 6: humble and smart if you have if you're hungry to 673 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 6: figure this out, then you're going to be able to 674 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 6: do just about anything you want to do. And so 675 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 6: that's really what we're We have plenty of workforce. But 676 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 6: we need the people who are who have a desire 677 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 6: to learn and a desire to want to continue to 678 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 6: work in the construction industry. And once again, you know, 679 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 6: if you look back at the recession, and I know 680 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 6: this was a long time ago, but you know, Colorado 681 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 6: State University was one of the people who said it 682 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,439 Speaker 6: best and said, hey, we used to have nine hundred 683 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 6: kids in our in our construction program. Now we have forty. 684 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 6: Because they saw what people went through and their businesses, 685 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 6: and they saw what their parents went through or whoever 686 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 6: it was. And it was tough to get people back 687 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,399 Speaker 6: into the construction industry because it took such a fall 688 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 6: and hurt a lot of people, and so that that 689 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 6: was a struggle. Now we're getting back to the point 690 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 6: where we have a ton of people back in the 691 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 6: school trying to learn about the construction business. And I 692 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 6: think that trade schools and you know, if you're if 693 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 6: you have any inkling to work with your heymns right now, 694 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 6: you could go be a plumber and electrician heating their 695 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 6: conditioning contractor and equipment operator and you're going to be 696 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 6: so super successful in life. It's gonna it's it's gonna 697 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 6: be amazing. 698 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I with you there. Tariffs we hear about that. 699 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 2: How yeah, I know, but how's that working for you? 700 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 1: You're lumber. 701 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 2: It's all over the place, it seems like, I mean, 702 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 2: is it's kind of go with the flow. 703 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 6: I think. I think President Trump has a desire to 704 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 6: to make sure that people quit messing with the United 705 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 6: States and and that the United States is in charge. 706 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 6: And so in order to be that, you have a 707 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 6: business method and and you know, you don't have to 708 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 6: agree with it, but you have to see the long 709 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 6: term goals of it. And and so that's one part 710 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 6: of it. But then these tariffs, it doesn't if you 711 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 6: don't wake up one morning and go, We're going to 712 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 6: put a tariff on this. It's the threat of the terraff, right, 713 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 6: and then you have to be aware of it. So 714 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 6: the only the only time, the only thing I can 715 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 6: say is any only get up against something like this 716 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 6: where there's severe threat of price increases or or something's 717 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 6: going to happen. You have to bounce back to question. 718 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 6: So so my stone guy can't call me up and say, hey, 719 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 6: we got a price increase on our stone and it's 720 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 6: going to be thirty percent. Well, let's let's hold on 721 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 6: a minute. What does that increase consist of? Is it 722 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 6: only on that stone material. It's not on your mortar, 723 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 6: it's not on your nails, it's not on your labor, 724 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 6: it's not on your profit. And let's understand what that 725 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 6: looks like. And the same thing was an electrician and 726 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 6: the same thing with So one day we got a 727 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 6: call from from our plumbing supply house and Kohler said, hey, 728 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 6: we're getting these tariffs and you have to buy all 729 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 6: of your pictures today. Well for us, that's a couple 730 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 6: hundred thousand dollars. And I said, well, wait a minute, 731 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 6: I want to see a letter from President Trump that 732 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 6: told tells us that the tariff is in enacted today 733 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 6: and it's going to be this much money on this 734 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 6: particular faucet. And of course I'm the pain in the 735 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 6: butt and they don't like that, but it's. 736 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,959 Speaker 1: It's true where you've got to go with the flow. 737 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 6: So three days later, lo and behold, yeah here and 738 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 6: and well it's going to be coming. It's going to 739 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 6: be coming, and we haven't seen it yet. So I 740 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 6: think that it's it's definitely something that is in his 741 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 6: programs that's setting America up to operate in a different manner, 742 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 6: but we're going to have to take some hits to 743 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 6: get there. I haven't felt it just yet. You know, 744 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 6: there's a couple of people who say it and then 745 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 6: we go back and start investigating it, and then you 746 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 6: don't really see it too much. But I definitely think 747 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 6: the threat is there, but we haven't felt it just yet. 748 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 2: Great answer, Jeff, Thank you so much for your time today. 749 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 2: I certainly appreciate And if you don't mind, I'd like 750 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 2: to touch base a few times. As winner comes in 751 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 2: and maybe things slow a little bit, maybe we can 752 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 2: have a little segment and a kind of touch base 753 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 2: every now and then. 754 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 6: Absolutely, anytime you want, Gary, I appreciate it. 755 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: Thank you all right, Jeff, thanks, thanks a bunch. 756 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 2: It's Jeff Whealing with Wheeling Builders out of the Greater 757 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 2: Cincinnati area. If you ever want to touch base and 758 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 2: talk to a true builder, a custom home builder, Waling 759 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 2: Holmes certain thing would highly recommend. 760 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: Jeff's a great guy. All right, let me give you 761 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,320 Speaker 1: the phone number. Let's chat about your home. 762 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 2: It's eight hundred eight two three eight two five five and. 763 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: You're at home with Gary Sullivan. 764 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,240 Speaker 4: No time to get your hands dirty with Gary Sullivan. 765 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 4: Give him a call at one eight hundred eighty two 766 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 4: three Talk You're at home with Gary Sullivan.