1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: The Sit and OV match up this weekend Home and 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: home Pittsburgh tomorrow. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: Washington Sunday. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Couldn't have scripted a better Come watch the game with 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: me at the Schoolhouse, Tavern and Clarage puck drops three 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: pm Sunday tomorrow. Of course I'll be at PPG Paint's 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: Arena to see it up close. 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: And you gotta love. 9 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Sid and Ovi like Burden Magic two more times home 10 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: and away. 11 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Hey, Washington. 12 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: Is at the bottom of that dogpile to finish third 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: in the Metro. There got a shot at the wildcard too. 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: It's only a six percent chance to make the playoffs, 15 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: but you're telling me there's a chance. Wouldn't that be 16 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: wild You think it's over this week and then you 17 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: get Sid and Ov in the best of seven. You 18 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: think about Sid at thirty eight and Ovi at forty, 19 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: and they're still the faces of hockey. There's a lot 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: of reasons for that. Sid's always understood the obligation and 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: never puts a bad foot forward. 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: He's an ambassador for the game. 23 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: McDavid is just a hockey player, and he's a sour 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: puss and he's never won. McDavid's a stats guy and 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Sid's a lot more than a stats guy. In fact, 26 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: Sid don't care much at all about stats. He's just 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: a serial winner. Ovie is more of a stats guy, 28 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: but more than a stats guy. I mean he has 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: a cup mcjesus don't as far as face of the league. 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: I keep coming back with regret on hockey's behalf to 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: Jack Hughes, an Olympic hero just like Kurt Angle, although 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: I hasten to add when he scored that overtime goal 33 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: to beat Canada, he did not do it with a 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: broken freaking neck. 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: I think Kurt would verify that. 36 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: But with Jack Hughes, the NHL dropped the ball because 37 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: he's an American who beat Canada, and his stats are 38 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: only very good, and the Devils aren't good, not this year, 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: and he plays in Newark. So as we get ready 40 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: for perhaps their final two meetings tomorrow and Sunday, Hockey's 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: heroes are a couple old guys and should be. It's 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: one hundred percent on merits, and I think, like I 43 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: talked about with Tommy Hockey, they gotta fight, gotta fight Sunday, 44 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: end of the game, three zeros and the clock, last meeting, 45 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: drop him and go and of course I'm kidding because I. 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: Don't want Sid to die. 47 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: Uh, come watch the game on Sunday with me at 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: the school host having claradge out East Off twenty two 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: Sid an Ov, maybe for the last time Tom and 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: I were talking. I guess you'd have to say the 51 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: biggest moment in that rivalry was the double hat trick 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: three goals for each in Game two of the two 53 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: thousand and nine playoff series between the two. I'd like 54 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: to think it's all the time Sid beat Ov, but 55 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: Ovi won his share and certainly won his cup. Yeah, 56 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: the doing hat tricks, and like I said, that was 57 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: only a four to three game. Caps won every goal 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: but one was scored by Sid and Ov. So get 59 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: your calls in. I want to know right now before 60 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: we go any further. Why am I channeling Meatloaf? Do 61 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: you love me? Do you love me forever? What's the 62 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: fade out? I love the fade out. It was long ago, 63 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: and it was far away, and it was so much 64 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: better than it is today. 65 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: Old people say that all the time. 66 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: I love that the old firm is back in the playoffs, Sid, 67 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: Gino and Tanger. I'm not an old timey museum. Type 68 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: of guy. You know, I'm very pragmatic. I know sometimes 69 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: it's time to move on, but this is about right now, 70 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: and right now them three are in the playoffs again. 71 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: It's well deserved four all three. 72 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: And by the way, what Tang has played very good 73 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: hockey for the best part of three weeks. 74 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: Not that he's been bad all year. 75 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: He's had ups and downs, but him and Gerard as 76 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: a defense pair seem to be getting their feet under 77 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: them and are doing more right than wrong, a lot 78 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: more right than wrong. 79 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: Did I did? I introduce myself? 80 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show A three three four 81 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: one two WSTX My heroes Man Moseley in Liverpool. 82 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: Now Andy Robertson, Oh. 83 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: Andy, Andy, Andy, Andy, Andy, Andy roberts and you talk 84 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: about your serial winners and actually his luck would have it. 85 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to see Scotland and Morocco in the World 86 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: Cup with Andy Robertson Captain of Scotland. And then the 87 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: week before the World Cup theres are friendly in Cleveland. 88 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to Egypt versus Brazil. Well and Moe plan 89 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: for Egypt most sala. I was gonna go see Liverpool 90 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: play one more time with Mo and Andy depends how 91 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: the Penguins do. If the Penguins went around, I'm sure 92 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: Mo and Andy would understand a three three four one 93 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: two wxdx. 94 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: Uh. 95 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: Poates are playing right now? We know the game on 96 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: TV because see now I'm doing very Tom. What's the score? 97 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: You can zero zero, Tom, you can turn onto Mike 98 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: zero zero, Okay, now turn it back off. 99 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: Uh. 100 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: You know what the Powers should have done? 101 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: How about see this is where my wrestling background could 102 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: be used by the Powers for even cheesier marketing. I 103 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: would have sold in this idea just for a year's 104 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: supply them fancy corn dogs for all these people. What 105 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: the Pirates should have done is with with the Connor 106 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: griff contract. They should have had him sign the contract 107 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: with like thirteen different pens, one pen for each letter 108 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: of his name, and then sell the pens like the 109 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: religious artifacts. They would then be See see who says 110 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm not looking on for the bucks? Beat him Bucks? 111 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: How about Miles Garrett? See that story, Miles Garrett. I 112 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: mean he's not saying this, but is he trying to 113 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: maybe force his way out of Cleveland. He's forfeiting a 114 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: one million dollar bonus by skipping their offseason workout program. 115 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: Then again, maybe he makes so much forty million one 116 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: less than what one million less than what? 117 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: See TJM in your quarter too? 118 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: Uh that he figures one million's chump change, but just 119 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: saying that one million eight chump change to nobody. So 120 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: I do wonder what's the foot there? You'ren't gonna talk 121 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: about later. You can chime in on this if you want. No, 122 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: I'd rather talk about the Penguins, call about the Penguins. 123 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: Penguins calls only a three three four one two WXDX, 124 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: although I am bound by contract and by laud and 125 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: do the BUCO round up next. But but I don't 126 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: give her big, big money long term. I don't too small, 127 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: too hurt to back up. I just don't see it. 128 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: And this comes back and I'll get more to this 129 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: later too. If we don't get Penguin calls, then I'll 130 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: torture myself by talking Steelers. Did you see that rum 131 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: where that Aaron Rodgers might come to Pittsburgh. Well, the 132 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: guy down the doll made that up, like he makes 133 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: so much stuff up, but he might come to Pittsburgh 134 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: and announced the first draft pick. Yeah, not me and 135 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: Joe Green who won all them rings, not Mel Blunt. 136 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: Let's bring in the. 137 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: Grandpa game manager, carpet friggin bagger who can't make up 138 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: his goddamn mind. 139 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: Let's honor him with that. You know what they should do. 140 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: They should take him up on the stage, punch him 141 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: in the face, throw him off the stage. That's what 142 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: they should do. And a non screw you your fix. 143 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: Every week d at ten am is Travis starting your 144 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: workday commercial free on one O five nine d. 145 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: X mark are Virginia. 146 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: I know DX at one O five nine with the 147 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: Pirates nil nil at Chicago in the bottom of the 148 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: fourth and the Cubs wearing would appear to be the 149 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: Montreal Expoys old uniforms, right down to the font for 150 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: the name on the back and the number the colors. 151 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: But with Cubs logos, it's time for the Buco roundo. 152 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: They didn't play yesterday. Like I said, there, my god, 153 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: Cruise just made a great catch in center field. I mean, 154 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: I think any catch he makes at all would be 155 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: classified as great, given how he usually mangles things. 156 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: But that was pretty good. Buckos didn't play yesterday. 157 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: Neil Neil right now in Chicago, And here's some mega 158 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: clicheted sports talk. Where does Griffin signing that contract rank 159 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: among great pirate moments. The only thing I can compare 160 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: to is that one time that have Apanohanna won the 161 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: Parogi race and then right after jumped in a hot 162 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: tug with Mike Rabel. 163 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: That'll melt your cheese. By the way, there's a story. 164 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: That a private investigator was spying on Rabel and Russini 165 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: to get those photos. A wronged spouse type of thing. 166 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: You gotta love it, You just gotta love it. Uh. 167 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 2: By the way, why. 168 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: Haven't we heard from mister Russini and or missus Rabel yet? 169 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: Carl sander Rovitch, Sandrorovitch and Fishman I bet dead do 170 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: a big money divorce. Anyway, back to the Buco roundup, 171 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: let's talk about all time great Bucko moments. Number one 172 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: is the mas home run, and then all five World 173 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: Series wins, including nineteen sixty. 174 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 2: You might want to lump that in with maz I 175 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: don't know. 176 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: It's just so hard to quantify somebody at nineteen in 177 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: the major leagues for week signing a piece of paper 178 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: and proclaiming it one of the best bucko moments, one 179 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: of the best moments in Pirates team history. Doesn't that 180 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: have to play out. I can think of stuff that 181 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: you don't even remember, like Bob Robertson Big Bobby, Robbie 182 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: the Marilynd Strongman hit three home runs in an NLCS 183 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: game in nineteen seventy one, and then stuff you do remember, 184 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: like Commente with three thousand hits, Barry Bonds won two 185 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: MVPs stars on seventy nine, Wagner beats Cobb, and O 186 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: nine is signed a piece of paper really bigger than that. 187 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: You tell me a three three four one two WXDX. 188 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: We want to talk Penguins mostly. Who would you like 189 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: to see him play in the first round. I think 190 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna win their first round series in six games 191 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: no matter who they play. But again, if I had 192 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: my drothers, I don't want to play the Islanders because 193 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: they got Soroken and goal and that's the Penguins bogie 194 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: team going way back. I don't want to play Washington, 195 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: who were only a six percent chance to make it 196 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: because they got. 197 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: Logan Thompson and goal. 198 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: Philadelphia with Vladar o'reillyan goal whatever his name is, that'd 199 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: be fine by me. Columbus with Elvis has just left 200 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: the building and goal That'd be fine by me too. 201 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to get goalie none. Forget. 202 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: When you have shaky goaltending, you can get goalied on 203 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: on on on two ends, maybe both ends. You can 204 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: get beat by the other guy, and you could get 205 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: beat by your own guy. But I don't sense the 206 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: Penguins would get goalied if they played Columbus or Philadelphia's 207 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: that's who I want to play. And you obviously cannot 208 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: beat the drama of playing Philadelphia, and you couldn't beat 209 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: the heartache of losing to Philadelphia. But again, Penguins and 210 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: six no matter who they play. At the top of 211 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: the hour, we got Elmer Soderblum, all six foot eight 212 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: of him. He has to use a foot, he has 213 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: to wait, I got it wrong. If he was short, 214 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: if he was Connor Sherritt say he has to get 215 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: on a step ladder to dial the phone. But he's tall, 216 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: so that doesn't apply. And I mangled that one. Here, 217 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: here's something we're going to talk about later. The w 218 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: NBA has approved expansion to Cleveland, Detroit, and Philadelphia. More importantly, 219 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: they did not approve expansion to Pittsburgh. Last season, over 220 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: half the WNBA team's averaged under ten k in attendance. 221 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: But gotta keep growing, gout, you gotta be equal. 222 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: Op. 223 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: Next, go to Talk Penguins hockey with Tim Benz at 224 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: the Trip here on one O five to nine the X. 225 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: It's The Woody Show weekday mornings at six on one 226 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 4: oh five nine X. 227 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: This is Doug Gottlieb. Here's what's trending from the Iheartsports. 228 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 5: Network presented by Iheartadvertising dot Com. 229 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 4: Let's begin with hockey, where the Penguins postseason drought is 230 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: finally over after three years. Pittsburgh clinch in a playoff 231 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 4: spot with yesterday's win over New Jersey. 232 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: NFL insider Mike Silver. 233 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: Is the latest to weigh in on the Aaron Rodgers 234 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 4: drama recording. The Steelers are reasonably upbeat about the quarterback's 235 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 4: return and final four most outstanding player Elliott Caddo says 236 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: he'll return to Michigan for his senior season. 237 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 5: Hopscott David sick run a business and not thinking about radio. 238 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 5: Think again, because people are listening to radio more today 239 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 5: than they did twenty years ago, and only iHeartRadio connects 240 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 5: with more Americans than TV, digital, even social. How radio 241 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 5: can help your business call eight four four eight four four, 242 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 5: iHeart brain savings are here at Kenny ross Ford, Lisa 243 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 5: Mustang Mocky premium for just five fifty month, for thirty 244 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 5: nine month, twenty five hundred do. 245 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 2: It so and now the super genius Mark Madden. 246 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 6: We No, I just. 247 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: Said, I don't know what I said. I don't know 248 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 2: what you said. 249 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: Double yeah. 250 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: The exit one oh five nine. 251 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: Penguins back in the playoffs, first signed since twenty twenty two, 252 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: joining me. How to talk about it? From the trip? 253 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: He is Tim benz Uh, Tim, did the Penguins prove 254 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: everybody wrong? I'm seeing that from guys like Rust and Shay. 255 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: They seem to be on a revenge tour like everybody 256 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: else in sports. 257 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 6: No, they can play that card if they want, But 258 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 6: I mean, I think everybody uh in hockey thought that way, 259 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 6: and I believe based on. 260 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: You know, kind of the tone that was coming out. 261 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 6: From Sydney Crosby's agents even at the start of the season, 262 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 6: that there wasn't much belief that the Penguins had done 263 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 6: enough to make the playoffs this year. They didn't try 264 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 6: enough in advance of the season that they were looking 265 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 6: towards a rebuild. So there's obviously a sense there from 266 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 6: those within the organization or within the locker room itself 267 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 6: that they weren't trying hard enough to make the playoffs. 268 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 6: So I mean, if they're trying to play the everybody 269 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 6: against us carr that that rings a little hollow. I 270 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 6: would more prefer to celebrate everything they've done to make 271 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 6: this happen as opposed to be how do you like 272 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 6: us now? 273 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: Routine, which was you can play that if you want to. 274 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: I just I don't know. 275 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 6: How sincere that is. I don't know how many people 276 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 6: in that line. 277 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody who underestimated them was wrong in 278 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: doing so. They had not made the playoffs in three 279 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: straight years, and this seemed very much like a rebuilding 280 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: season when it started. But that said, they are in 281 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: the playoffs and that's a good thing. What was the 282 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: single biggest factor in them You would have to say, overachieving. 283 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 6: I think there was a buy into a system that 284 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 6: allowed them to play their kind of high better. 285 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: I think that the. 286 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 6: New coach and coaching staff understood their strengths and limitations 287 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 6: better than the previous coaching staff did. Who saw them 288 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 6: for what they used to be when they were winning 289 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 6: Cups and not realizing that the holdovers that were still 290 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 6: here from that era couldn't and didn't. 291 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 3: Play the same way. 292 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 6: I think Carlson's resurgence and buy in factor and two 293 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 6: way play. I mean, not only is he not as 294 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 6: much of a grenade defensively, he's just he's so much 295 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 6: better offensively. You're getting the point production that outweighs the 296 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 6: defensive deficiencies. We didn't get that for the first couple 297 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 6: of years in Pittsburgh, got of him as we thought 298 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,119 Speaker 6: would be the case. 299 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: And might I interject him, the defensive deficiencies are less. 300 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: Not only is he getting points like the old Eric Carlson, 301 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: I think he's doing better on the defensive side of 302 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: the puck, too, agreed. 303 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 6: And then you got the in season or preseason acquisitions 304 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 6: like Chinnikov. Of course, Skinner has wound up being their 305 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 6: best goalie. To name a few guys that have come 306 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 6: on board, Manta obviously Brazo at the start of the season. 307 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 6: These were unforeseen X factors, guys that were apparently round 308 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 6: out the roster guys or projects in Chinnikov's case, that 309 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 6: have been so much more than that, And that's the 310 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 6: dupist factor. 311 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: You know. 312 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 6: There have been swings and misses for him like there 313 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 6: have been for any GM, but his base hits have 314 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 6: been more than that. They've been homers for this team, 315 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 6: and that's done a long way to them getting back 316 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 6: into the postseason. 317 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: Well, I want to stick with the coaching change for 318 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: a bit. Not only is Dan Muse a different voice, 319 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: but I think, as you kind of said, Tim, he's 320 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: coaching what he's got and how he has to. Sally 321 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: kept coaching like it was twenty seventeen. 322 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 6: Exactly, And that's the point I was getting at, is 323 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 6: he was trying to take pegs that were no longer round, 324 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 6: they had become square, and it was trying to hammer 325 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 6: him into the same hole over and over. 326 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: And worst shit, one size fits all. Having a guy 327 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: like Graves do the same things on defense as a 328 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,959 Speaker 1: guy like Carlson, which Carlson was all too aware of. 329 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 6: Not only right exactly, And when you've heard Carlson speak 330 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 6: about the differences between last year and this year, he's 331 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 6: not just amplifying his own voice when he's talking about 332 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 6: why it's been different and better. He's also talking about 333 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 6: how each player is being coached individually to do what 334 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 6: they do best when it's their turn on the ice, 335 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 6: as opposed to everybody having to try to play the 336 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 6: same way, which is the way it became under Sullivan, 337 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 6: and that ceased to work. 338 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: You talked a lot about the Capitals, but. 339 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 6: Pretty much immediately after they lost that six game series 340 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 6: to Washington in twenty eighteen, like those days were no 341 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 6: longer going to work, and he kept trying to make 342 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 6: him work for the last few years he was here. 343 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 3: And to no positive effect. 344 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: Who would be the most favorable matchup in the playoffs 345 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: for the Penguins first round? 346 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 6: My hunch to that answer is I was listening to 347 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 6: you speak here in fabulous loss of Vegas by the way, 348 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 6: sitting here. 349 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: Full side while I'm talking to you. 350 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: But what Frozen four? 351 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: Him? Yeah, the Frozen four. 352 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 6: So that game ended late last night Eastern time, right, 353 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 6: Denver won in double overtime. 354 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: They just could a buye to the final. They are 355 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: so good. Once they get. 356 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 6: There, they are a machine. And you know, last night 357 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 6: I was kind of cursed them out a little bit 358 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 6: because they got a late goal to force overtime, and 359 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 6: then they were just dogs. In overtime, I thought they 360 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 6: were just don't make a mistake, don't make a mistake, 361 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 6: don't make a mistake. 362 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: For an overtime and a half. But to their credit, 363 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 3: they didn't make a mistake. And then they finally got 364 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 3: an extended shift in the offensive end. 365 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 6: Nice keep at the left point, got a shot, got 366 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 6: to pass to the slot, score goal, beat Michigan and 367 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 6: upset the Number one. 368 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: I'm glad that the Penguins are going to play Denver. 369 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: Then I just I want to play Philly. I want 370 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: to play Philly or Columbus, because the Penguins would not 371 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: have a severe goaltending this in either of those series, 372 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: whereas they went against the Islanders, and if Washington would 373 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: somehow floke their way in. 374 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 6: Well, my first thought when I heard you talking about 375 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 6: this before was to say Columbus, because they're playing so 376 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 6: badly right now. I think they've lost six to seven 377 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 6: or seven of eight, and they've been awful At what 378 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 6: the Penguins did well, which was going through the gauntlet 379 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 6: of potential playoff teams. 380 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: They're not beating any of them. So that suggested to 381 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: me what I've always thought about. 382 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 6: Columbus is that their fringe at best, and if they 383 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 6: somehow sneak in, that's exactly what they'd be doing, sneaking in. 384 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 6: But if they beat three playoff teams to get themselves 385 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 6: back in the playoff positioning, then you got. 386 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: To change your tun and then then the hot team 387 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 3: coming in. So I'm like. 388 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 6: Default the Philly because for as scary as they are, 389 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 6: because you see that jersey and you just think the 390 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 6: rivalry and anything can happen. 391 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 3: You know, they've had. 392 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 6: An even longer playoff draft than the Pens, and if 393 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 6: I'm remembering right, the last time they were in it 394 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 6: was in the bubble, So like what any of those 395 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 6: I mean, some of them have come from other teams obviously, 396 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 6: but as an organization, what do they know about the 397 00:20:59,119 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 6: playoffs any better? 398 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: And the Pens lately? So you know, I would welcome a. 399 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 6: Series against the Flyers, as daunting as the rivalry aspect scenes, 400 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 6: but I'd rather have that as a specter than Sorocan. 401 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: And I know everybody at the serrocan they just put 402 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 3: seven on them? Well? 403 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 6: Well sure they did, but that was kind of a 404 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 6: flukey game, and I just don't want to be in 405 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 6: a situation where you look up and you're down three 406 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 6: to one. You've you scored five goals in the first four. 407 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: Games because Sorokan found himself. The Islanders have not played 408 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 3: well enough in front of him. You're letting them do 409 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 3: much heavy lifting. I get it, but that's the logo. 410 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 6: I fear in the playoffs much more than the Flyers 411 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 6: because of what that history is meant to Pittsburgh. 412 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: We're talking to Tim Benz of the trip brought to 413 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: us by Calusi Chevrolet, serving the Pittsburgh area for one 414 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: hundred and seven years. Uh Chinnakoff, Tim, He's the hammer 415 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: and the sickle. He's their best offensive player. A lot 416 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: of Knights like last night. Would you leave him with 417 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: Sid or would you reconstitute Novak, Malkin and Chinakoff for 418 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: the playoffs? 419 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 6: I would and my punch is they'll eventually go back 420 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 6: to SID with Rust and Raquel and put Chinnikov back 421 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 6: with Novak and Malkin. I think they liked the way 422 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 6: that SID line, That version of the SID line with 423 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 6: Russ and Raquel plays quote unquote playoff hockey. 424 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: I think prefers that line too, although I do like 425 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: how Chinnikov is reawoken sensibility to attack on the rush understood. 426 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: I like that as well. But you know, I've looked. 427 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 6: At the line Shart when it came out as I 428 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 6: was at the Frozen four yesterday, and the first thing 429 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 6: that hit me and I wanted to run. 430 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: This by you, I thought you and I saw this 431 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 3: actually was. 432 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 6: When I saw the line of Raquel flanked by Maulkin 433 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 6: and Novak. My first thought was is that an all 434 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 6: center line or is that now an all wing line? 435 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 6: And the fact that I had to ask myself that 436 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 6: question made me really ponder. 437 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 3: If that's a smart thing going into the playoffs. 438 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: You yeah, no question. 439 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: And I, you know, I don't know the answer to 440 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: my own question. 441 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 6: That strikes me now as an all wing line, I 442 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 6: kind of want to I kind of want a second 443 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 6: line that has a true second line center. And if 444 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 6: that means to faulting back to Malkin, okay, if that 445 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 6: means the faulting back to Novak between Chinnikov's and Bulk 446 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 6: and fine, I'm good with that. 447 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: But that just that smacked me in the face and said, 448 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to see that every 449 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 3: night in the postseason. 450 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: Kim What worries me a bit is fluky guys can 451 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: cool off in the playoffs. I don't think Chinnikov's a 452 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: fluky guy. I think Mantha is. I think Novak's already 453 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: called off. I think Brezo's already cooled off. And even 454 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: though they score a lot of goals, they need a 455 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: lot of goals. 456 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: That's interesting. 457 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 6: I mean, like the way Mantha's built physically and his 458 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 6: style and his approach lends me to believe that he 459 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 6: can still collect points in the playoffs, because the style 460 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 6: changes the playoffs. 461 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 3: So I'm not quite sure I agree with that. Here's 462 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: what I'll say about Chinicov. 463 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 6: He just feels to me like a He's not Kessel, 464 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 6: but he could be a point getter like Kessel because 465 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 6: he creates and shots he gets on net to turn 466 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 6: into rebounds could become assists, and he'll get the pass 467 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 6: off pads because his shot is so difficult to wrangle 468 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 6: in that I think he can still get points in 469 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 6: the postseason if he doesn't change his approach and thinks shoot, shoot, 470 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 6: shoot all the time and not create and let his 471 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 6: line makes especially if he does stick with Sid and Rust, 472 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 6: those guys can retrieve pucks. 473 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: Those guys are handsy in the crease. 474 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 6: They can they can gather rebounds and do something like 475 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 6: look at what Sid did on the. 476 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 3: Malting goal the other day yesterday. That was really impressive. 477 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 6: I know Malkin got the goal, but the way Sid 478 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 6: gathered it and kept it alive in front of the goalie, like, 479 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 6: I could see that working with Chinikov in the postseason. 480 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 3: If they do decide to stick with that line, well, one. 481 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: Thing really encouraging. 482 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: Sid and Gina are back in form like last night, 483 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: and that's the playoff. They smell the blood Tim exactly. 484 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 6: And you know, I was listening to a WAPs poetic 485 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 6: about some of the old rivalries and when you guys 486 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 6: did uh your segment before the top of the hour 487 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 6: of the three o'clock to three for all or whatever you. 488 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: Call it, that Tom said the trifect. They get it 489 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 3: right the fact, yes, the three amigos. 490 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 6: When he put together a list of Penguin's memories against 491 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 6: the against the Capitals, I hate to say it, but 492 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 6: I was thinking while you guys are talking about that, 493 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 6: like that twenty eighteen series meant so much to the 494 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 6: Caps to eliminate the Pens on the way. 495 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: To the Cup. 496 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 6: I don't want that to be the last playoff chapter 497 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 6: of the Penguins Caps playoff rival. 498 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 2: I don't know, Sidanovie. 499 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the Penguins and Caps played many times, even 500 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: before sid and Ovi showed up one the scene. 501 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 2: But I get you. 502 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: If the Caps had won that series, obviously they don't 503 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: win the Cup and Obe would have no Cups, it 504 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: would it would have damaged his whole career in a 505 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: bizarre way, because nets off in overtime saved Obe's career. 506 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: In respects exactly. 507 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 6: And what was a dumbling off the post previous to that, 508 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 6: you know, if that goes in, you never get that chapter. 509 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: Potentially, no kunhawkle I think I. 510 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: Was a kunock. I'm sorry. 511 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 6: But at any rate, the uh they needed that win, 512 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 6: like you know, the Raves needed a couple against the Steelers, 513 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 6: even going into the eighties, after the Steelers had collected 514 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 6: their titles, they got. 515 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 3: One against Pittsburgh. 516 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 6: You know, if you want to like in that rivalry 517 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 6: because they weren't always in the same division, you know, 518 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 6: I feel that way as opposed to maybe how the 519 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 6: Flyers manifested or you know, like the Red Wings were 520 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 6: on the other side for the finals, and I just 521 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 6: I would love to see the Penguins get one last 522 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 6: one in this chapter of Penn's Caps with those two being, 523 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 6: like you said before, Burn and Magic. 524 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: Well there's a six percent chance of that, which ain't much, 525 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: but it's all the Capitals got and what did they 526 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: sweep the Penguins to get in and play the Penguins. 527 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't like the momentum that would be created there. 528 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: And as I've talked about all day, tim and all week, 529 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: really tomorrow and Sunday could be the last two chapters 530 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: for Sid and Ov. Is that really hockey's version of 531 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: Magic and Bird? I think it is. And the best 532 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: part of it is they played ninety nine times so 533 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: far being in the same division those four playoff series. 534 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: You never got that frequency with Lemou and Gretzky they 535 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 1: only played I think twenty seven times. Heck uh, Magic 536 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: and Bird only played like thirty times. 537 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 3: Exactly. And that's why there's you know, so much heritage 538 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 3: to it. 539 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 6: And there is a double edged sword to what you 540 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 6: talked about before. Because the NHL poured so much into 541 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 6: promoting those two guys, it's been hard to let go 542 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 6: of them and go to the next generation, because well 543 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 6: they've both been productive late in their careers. You know, 544 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 6: the gold chase for Ovechkin turned into a second story 545 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 6: for him by himself, and you know, maybe that's what 546 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 6: this playoff run could be for Crosby. But you know, 547 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 6: they were never able, I think, to turn the page 548 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 6: because those guys wouldn't let the page be turned. And 549 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 6: that's a credit to the two of them, and maybe 550 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 6: a detch in to some of the other guys who 551 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 6: you would think would be able to grab the torch, 552 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 6: like McKinnon and McDavid. But for as good as they are, 553 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 6: I think you're you're on point with personality wise, they 554 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 6: don't carry that kind of cash. 555 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: As I wrote, as I wrote today's Tripped Tim, there 556 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: must have been a group discount on charisma bypass surgery, 557 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: because those guys all had it, and I don't think 558 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: any of them, especially McDavid, understand the obligation that comes 559 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: with being the guy, which I think Sid always did get. 560 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 6: And I just don't think that there's the inherent, you know, 561 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 6: Canadian Russian thing that's there, and then having Geno kind 562 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 6: of play a really important third character to that like 563 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 6: that aspect has been missed and whatever they've tried to 564 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 6: build up between McKinnon and McDavid. 565 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: And by the way, you know, having hockey in the. 566 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 6: East versus hockey in the West, there's the time zone 567 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 6: aspect of that. When the rivalry games in the regular 568 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 6: season do take place, it's easier to get more eyeballs on. 569 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: It was Tim, you can't be a star in the 570 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: Central Time, you can't be a star in Newark, Unfortunately 571 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: for Jack Hughes. 572 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's an element of that too. I agree 573 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: with that, yes, And you're right. 574 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 6: First greatest Jack Hughes was, there's a big difference between 575 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 6: broken freaking teeth and a broken freaking neck. 576 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: Are sitting OV top five players? 577 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 3: Ever? 578 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: I think for sure is I think OV is in 579 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: my own internal debate, certainly for number five with guys 580 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: like Yoger, Gordi, how et cetera. 581 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: Well, I do feel somewhat obligated to you know, at 582 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: my age, which. 583 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 6: Is not young anymore fifty, like, I don't remember how 584 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 6: playing I saw every chapter of A. 585 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: Ye, No, I barely do. And it's a sad fact. 586 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: I was just talking about that with Tom McMillan the 587 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: other day and he's even older than me. Tim that 588 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: that it gets to a point where if nobody saw 589 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: the guy, he never really existed. He's just a rumor. 590 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: And guys like Gordi how heck, if you want to 591 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: do the pirate thing and go all the way back 592 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: to Hannas Wagner, not a lot of video on those guys. 593 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 6: Well yeah, and there's the you know, I know you 594 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 6: used to talk about this all the time with Ruth 595 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 6: and the Bonds, when you know, Bombs is chasing Ruth 596 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 6: and eventually Aaron is a little different with Aaron. 597 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: But you know, because baseball is so stat heavy. 598 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 6: Let's be honest, Like, there are plenty of stats you 599 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 6: can use to track things in hockey too. 600 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: It's an easy sport to track. 601 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 6: But I think baseball wallows and stats more stats kept 602 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 6: Ruth and Cobb and those. 603 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 3: Pre video mainly video guys that alive longer, you know 604 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 3: what I mean. 605 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 6: Like the stats told the story better for baseball than 606 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 6: they did for hockey. So you know, like I feel 607 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 6: almost like I'm doing my era of hockey a disservice 608 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 6: if I just say, oh, yeah, I put Gordy how 609 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 6: in there because he's Gordy how because I didn't see him, 610 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 6: and maybe I'm being a little hypocritical. 611 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: No, no, you're right, but like some people just think 612 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: it's automatic, Like like when Gretzky passed how in points, 613 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: he said, well, Gordy, How's the best player ever and 614 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: always will be. Well, I mean, that's nice for him 615 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: to say, but it's but it's also absurd. And Tim, 616 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: I just want to say, I do have video of 617 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 1: Ty Cobb, but it's a snuff film and he's doing 618 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: the snuffing. 619 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: Tim is always great stuff. We will talk again next week. 620 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 3: Enjoy the playoffs, all right, we'll see you Mark. Thanks. 621 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: Actually I'll talk to Tim again before the playoffs. But boy, 622 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: it's great to be back. We got Elmer Soderblum of 623 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: the Penguins at the top of the hour. 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