WEBVTT - 11-3-25 Willie with Iris Roley 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.000 By Billy Cunningham, The Great America and talk about the Bengals. 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.079 Later on we had Moe coming up. Plus FC was 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.000 a complete disaster, as was you see Bearcatcher's problems everywhere. 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:18.919 But in the studio with me right now is Iris, 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.680 Rolie and Iris Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. I 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.160 think for the first time, is that correct? 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:24.560 That is absolutely correct. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.160 Well, let's talk about what happened last night in Cincinnati. 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.840 And on Sunday we had something the range of I 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.240 don't know, seven or eight people were shot, one was murdered. 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.320 According to most of the accounts, the city is ripe 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.960 with violence of one type or another. And as the 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.559 collaborator describe to the American people, what your role is with 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:45.800 the city at this point? 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.120 So Willie, what my role is with the city currently 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.800 is what my role has been almost for twenty five years, 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.400 prior to me signing a contract to be consultant to 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.160 the city manager on you on the work of policing 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.120 public safety, to work through the collaborative. So for twenty 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:02.440 two years, I just want to say to you and 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:06.080 your listeners, I dedicated myself. My husband allowed me to 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.840 My husband of thirty one years has allowed me to 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.920 give them myself freely to the work of the Collaborative Agreement, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:13.720 so that meant no pay. We had no budget, we 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:15.880 had no staff, we had nothing. And this was from 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.800 the community's lins. This is from the Black United Front lines, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.040 the people who came together collective lands that we're going 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.520 to sue the city, the FOP in this police alleging 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.479 racial profile. And now, mister Cunningham, I know folks get 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.520 all up in their panties about well, what does that 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.440 mean she's anti police? You're absolutely incorrect. Iris Rowley has 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.000 done work greater than most people in the city, and 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.400 I'm grateful to my spouse and to the Black United 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.440 Front and everybody who's put work into the hands of 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.600 the Collaborative Agreement, including the police. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.960 Let's talk about the police, because as a collaborator of sorts, 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.280 you have to work with different groups. One most important 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:52.720 groups is the police. Correct. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:53.240 Yeah. 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.200 I had Ken Cobra on the head of the union 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.680 about a month ago on Friday, Ken, and he said 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.000 that they have no confidence in you. They said that 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.680 you involved yourself wrongfully, possibly criminally in arrest. They had 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.560 video of you interfering with the police. Arrest and they 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.080 have no confidence in you. So if one of the 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.040 main parties of the collaborative is the police, and the 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:16.680 police don't want to collaborate with you. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.760 A problem. Yeah, that is a problem. So listen, So Willie, 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.200 I got into this in a very hostile rep way, right. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.519 So we were at the cusp of fifteen unarmed black 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.360 men being killed at the hands of the police. The 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.880 city had gone through civil unrest, major corporations, people didn't 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.480 want to come. We were asking people to boycott downtown Cincinnati, 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.600 and we downtown tourism and we were effective, and the 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.239 whole world saw the Cincinnati was having issues with the 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.799 black community and the police. That's what we rolle into 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.560 federal court. With thirty years of problematic policing. Now in 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.000 the past twenty five years, if you got one incident 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:49.760 that you're upset with, Iris wrote it about, I say, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:50.640 she gets an A plus. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.320 I have there several incidents. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.760 No, no, no, I've seen three or four videos. No, 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.440 so don't do that. You saw two videos, and you 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.920 saw two videos. One on a set which I was 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.280 called downtown to help a family who's sixteen year old 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.760 was killed by a fourteen year old so I get up. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.079 Because I work all the time, I don't know when 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.200 IRIS really gets off. So I'm gonna ask your listeners 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.040 to tell me that because I go from consultant to 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.239 just advocacy and doing what people want all the time. Right, 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.359 that's not fair. However, so when I get a call 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.400 from one of my guys that works on Government Square, 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.919 and by the way, they've been doing phenomenal work, call 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.679 me and say, can you help the family? They don't 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.080 know where the body is. They don't know this, they 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:29.920 don't know that. Get up out of my bed, meet them. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:31.959 At eight thirty in the morning, I stand on Main 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.960 Street for five hours outside of the building with his 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.880 baby was murdered, right, did not even know that helping 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.800 the family to identify where the body was. And that's 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.280 nobody's business but mine. I elected to do that as 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.920 the great person I am, as Jesse's wife and his mom, 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.040 and as a community caregiver. This is who I am 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.520 and this is who I have been. So I go there. 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.360 I help the family. We stand outside, Willie outside for 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.040 five hours. So I stand outside, find the baby, find 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.320 the funeral home, find out these things, go around the 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.360 corner to get something to eat because I'm hungry. I'm 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.760 noticing all these folks walking around with cups. They have alcohol, 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.760 and I'm a contributor. I am a tax payer, and 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.880 I pay attention to my town. So folk want to 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.320 be mad because I pay attention to Cincinnati. Well be mad. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.240 I have at it. But I'm noticing a lot of 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.599 folk walking around with beer and wine and cups. I mean, 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.040 is this this is not a door? What's happening? So 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.520 we leave there now? Remember I spend five hours go 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.719 get an Ampanada so I can go home now to 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.640 contend to my business. I see right where I'm about 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.039 to move into because I go live on Green and Republic. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:34.839 Try to live down there for thirty days so I 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.640 can do some problem solving. But we'll get back to that, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.680 because that's still part of the destroyer. I'm going to 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.320 get there. To you, attorney, no, no, no, I sound 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.640 like a taxpayer. I sound like a person who's not 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.760 whose voice hasn't been heard so that you can hear 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.080 the goodness and you can stop trying to find the 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:50.400 bad and the and the goodness. 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.560 Now, let me say the police don't want to collaborate 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:53.839 with you. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:58.599 That's that's not all the police. It was seven people, 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.800 ten people. So so one of the things that I 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.640 have for you, Misster Cunningham, because always told you we're 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.160 gonna try to get me, is I literally just got 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.240 back with now in some chief hand. 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:09.680 I'm not getting. I'm reporting facts to you. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.240 I don't know if it's facts, because I don't I 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.839 don't talk to about collaborate. I talked to Can Cobra 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.240 and he's not said that to me. My husband talked 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.360 to King Cobra. He's not said they did. Now I've 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.320 read it in the newspaper. But they have no choice. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.640 You said that the police are the main character. They're not. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:29.000 The community is the number one the number one stakeholder 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:30.360 in the collaborative. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:34.479 Agreement is the community community, the black community, Cincinnati's majority 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:35.040 white city. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:39.040 Well, but the majority white city wasn't having fitting fitting 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:40.400 on white men killed at the hands. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:41.599 They were all justified. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:42.479 No, they were not. 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.120 Which one wasn't other than Steven Roach. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:49.400 And and and and in our in our community, that's 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.000 what we were told. They were justified because there were 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.200 no investigations. Mister Cunningham, and I see where you want 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.080 to go, but I'm gonna keep moving us forward because 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.680 that's what Cincinnati is and that's what the Collaborative has. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.800 A Sure we helped Cincinnati do move forward. Had we 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.840 not built in the framework of say and problem solving 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.120 to address public safety and policing issues, we wouldn't have 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.240 all the development. You wouldn't have a downtown that you 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:15.359 see is vibrant. The Collaborative helped rebuild Cincinnati. And you know, 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.000 I don't know if you know this, mister cunnyh but 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.520 the police and I have traveled the country together to 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.279 talk about it. So when you say police, whom are 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.240 you talking about? I just got back from Madison, Wisconsin. 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.400 You should The FOP said they won't collaborate with you, 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:28.080 and you're wrong. 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.680 Well, who's FOP? I mean there are many there are 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.800 many members. Well, there are many members, and you don't 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.320 have to meet the police to be an FOP. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.560 Surely when that happened, there was some The mayor came 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.000 on some of the media and said that they're going 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.920 to meet with you and they're going to identify problems 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.480 when you interfere with an arrest and hopefully that'll get better. 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.080 Did you meet with the mayor about your involvement and 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.720 the arrest of a person that you seem to interfere with. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:56.120 Did you get But your facts are wrong. No one 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.800 was arrested. There was a recitable ticket. So that's how 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.080 I know you're speaking from me ill because your facts 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:01.560 are not wrong. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.120 Conference, they're going to get with you and counsel you 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.600 and help you to understand. Did you ever speak to 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:08.400 the mayor on that issue? 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.280 I'm spoken to the mayor about many issues. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.080 Did he talk about that issue? Did he change your behavior? 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.040 Did her behavior? 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.240 I don't think so, mister. No, No, I don't think so. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.840 And here's what I didn't do, because if I broke 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.120 the law, I expect to be arrested, but they did 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.040 not because they just want to take a. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:29.239 Problem. 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.840 Well, mister Cunningham, let me tell you what happened. The 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.760 way younger than I'm gonna call you, mister Cunningham, but 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.480 I'm old enough to be respected. And so here's the deal. 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.000 If I broke the law, I would expect for any 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.360 officer that I've talked to, and I've talked to way 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.360 more cops than you have. I've talked to way more 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.640 cops than most of the people that you bring in 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.080 your studio. You know why I can say that, mister Cunham, 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.640 because I talked to every recruit class. I have done 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.400 that since the year of two thousand and eight. Now 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.520 here's where I think people get their panties in a bunch. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.280 And forgive me for my colorful language, because I'm very colified. 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:10.160 I don't know, so I don't know. I don't know so, so, 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.200 mister Gunnaham, here's what I will say to you again 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.440 in twenty five years if that is the issue that 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.520 you have. And I've not killed anyone, I'm not to meet. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.600 I'm not. I'm not. But if the police say that 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.720 they because the officer officer heard who I spoke to 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.160 was the same officer twice, female copt the same officer twice. 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:29.400 And I'm not going to tell you the story because 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.280 I don't think you're interested in facts. Y'all want a gaslight. 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.240 But that's cool too, because you can do that. I 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.480 report the facts, but the facts were it was a 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:38.400 recitable ticket. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.000 Did the mayor ever talk to you and say, Irish, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.160 kind of calm down a little bit, don't interfere with 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:44.320 an arrested and Mary tell you. 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.560 That the mayor after a peer of all which we 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.920 should re elect, has always been concerned with my well 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.719 being and has always been answer the question, but has 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.160 always been policed. I am I'm answering the way that 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:56.400 I think that you deserve an. 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.160 Answer yes or no. Did the police did? Then? 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.680 I've talked to the mayor about many things, Miss Ham. 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.079 Okay not on another issue, the issue of the collaborative. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.320 Do you think after twenty five years, there's many dozens 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.880 of police agencies in the Tri State, dozens of police agencies. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.240 Since Tide Police is one of many police agencies, only 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.480 one has a collaborative. Do you think the police in 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:23.200 Cincinnati have racial tendencies of such a quality that the 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.439 collaborative needs to be an effect when all the other 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.800 police agencies in the Tri State don't. What's unique about 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.600 Cincinnati police? Who've had black police chiefs, black captains, et cetera, 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:33.960 black mayors, Black. 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.760 Cities have one black captain right now well in the past. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.400 So we have issues diversity diversity. Yes, we still have 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.959 issues of competency that we have. We have issues of 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:47.000 diversity as respect to who is in our police division period. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.280 The question is what is unique about CPD that all 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.280 the other police agencies don't need someone like you to 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.800 implement the collaborative. Are they different than all the other 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.199 agencies in Ambulenty County. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.600 I think that they're not courageous enough. One I've been sued, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.680 so we sued CPD in federal court, so you have 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.800 to do the mandate of the federal court. And what 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.320 I do appreciate about what's unique about CPD is all 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.920 of this training and all of this work and understanding 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.920 around who the people are that they do police. I 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.680 think they're extremely unique. I've been trained by the best, 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.520 and that's what I said to King Kober the day 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.520 of what you're talking about. When you said, I interrupted, 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.560 I'm trained by CPD, so I know how to I 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.559 know how to read you, I know how to read 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.439 your body language, and I know how to read someone 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.120 standing by you. There was no threat of violence. I've 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.000 been trained by CPD very well. So I saw that 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:33.800 and it was it was. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.520 A question or SINTI police still racist? 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.560 If you look at the data that comes from our 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.240 citizens Complain Authority, seventy percent of our complaints are by 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.880 African Americans. I'll let your finishship answer the question. They 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.959 may not be racist. I don't know what they are. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.480 I don't so they may be policing differently in one 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.120 way than they are in this way. And this is 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.200 the beauty of the collaborative. This is a job that 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.760 taxpayers pay for. I pay taxes, mister Cunningham. I'm looking 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.280 for reciprocity on my tax dollar, not only investment into 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.960 the community. But I'm looking at reciprocity. And not only that, 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.760 mister Cunningham, I'm looking at how I can fit into 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.120 this and help what the collaborative has done for the 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.600 city of Cincinnati. Dear sir, if you're looking for facts, 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:18.000 it has reduced injuries to officers, lawsuits, injuries to citizens. 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.480 So yes, it's unique. Yes, it's still needs. Yes we 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:22.360 still have a long way. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:30.439 Not Hamlety County Sheriff's office, Green Town, not Sycamore Township, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:32.960 only Cincinnati Police. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:33.840 All of them, all of them. 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.840 So well you're that. 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.160 You're no, sir, not But you're the attorney. So can 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.840 you legally sue multiple agencies at one time? No, you can't. 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.560 I'll answer you. We were only we could only sue 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.360 in Cincinnati. But what I will say to you, dear sir, 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.400 mister Cunningham. Is that all of the ones that you 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.720 just said out of your mouth they need help. And 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.760 guess what they borrow from BAM the collaborative agreement. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:02.480 Tracy Hunter, see Hunter, Judge Hunter, Judge Hunter, and speak 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.400 for herself. She'd be for herself. So she you went 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.360 out and picket at the home of my good friend, 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.200 Judge Patrick dink Locker to protest a sentence that he 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:12.720 imposed on Tracy Hunter. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.319 Protests a sentence and protest the injustice and protest him 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.400 having no drug out of court. Yes, I did, all right. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.679 Yes, she was convicted by a multi racial jury of 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.480 one count of felony. She went through the entire appeal 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.200 process for years and dink A Lockers is still in 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.880 court right now. Wasn't the trial judge. It was Natal 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.400 who left the bench. And then you took it upon 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:37.520 yourself to picket someone's home for following their legal duty 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.200 to give her a sentence, which, by the way. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.079 And that's what make Dan Heels upset and said I 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:46.520 shouldn't be collaborating. So since the exception, well, extremely when 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.200 Pat dink A Locker issues justice fairly in our in 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.080 our hour and so and listen and listen. This is 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.920 the greatest point of democracy that you can disagree. And 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.080 we did no damage to his home. We didn't dox him, 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.640 We didn't put his address out in the universe and say, go, hey, 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.160 threaten his wife and kids are grandkids. I'm like folks 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.960 that listen to seven hundred. Wow, that has happened to 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.360 me since all of this stuff, all this vituol and 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.360 discord has come about a collaborative agreement in Iris Rowly. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.160 So yes, sir, I did utilize one tool in this 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:16.320 civil rights handbook too. 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:17.800 Are you set away? No? 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:18.679 Why would I be. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.360 Sorry because it was wrongful? No? Why is it because 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.360 the judge simply did his or her job In this 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.920 case it was a man and we simply disagree, disagreed. Yeah. Also, 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.920 when it comes down to what happened on July twenty sixth, 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.720 did you meet with the victims of the beatdown on 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.400 July twenty sixth, the so called wife victims and talk 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:38.839 to them about what happened to them? 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:39.680 No, Sarah did not. 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:40.080 Why not? 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:41.440 They didn't call me? 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.319 What do you have to only you respond to circumstances. 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.040 People call my phone all the time, mister Gunaham. People 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.440 call my phone and they want help. They didn't call me. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.520 The three CDC put out a video about a week 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.680 ago which clearly demonstrated that the future criminal defendant started 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.320 this thing with Alex t as I call it, and 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.080 he was hit first. Yet the city leader stood up 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.400 about a week later and demanded criminal charges against a 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.400 person because of the color of their skin. Happened to 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.200 be white white person. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.240 Charge, No, sir, don't do that. Don't do that. I'm 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:15.640 just saying what I don't do that. Don't do that. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:16.160 Don't you want? 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.920 No, No, don't don't don't make it, don't make it. 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.920 BA want based on race? A person would. 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.320 Charge because all of the African Americans were charged, and 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.160 then they were charged with additional charges from the class. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:28.760 Case the other ones who committed criminal actions. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.000 But here's what I will tell you. I spoke to 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.640 Interim police Chief Handy on Friday. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.520 And do you think should have been put on administrative leave? 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:36.880 I don't. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.640 That's that's above mine. No, I can't say yes or 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:40.880 no that. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.480 I'm not saying, have you told police that she should 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:44.440 not have been put on leaves? 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.240 I would not say that. I would not interfere in 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.960 the question about absolutely about the civil rights leader standing 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:52.840 up and demanding a person to be charged of the 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.720 crime based upon race based is that based on equity 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.440 and fairness, based on the application, based on the application 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.920 of the law. But let me say the fact is 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.720 I spoke to Interim Chief Heney on Friday because I 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.160 couldn't remember if this is a video that I knew 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.120 that they had seen or that I had seen, because 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.200 there were so many videos out there right there are 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.560 tons of them. There was tons of them. So when 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.480 I spoke to Interim Chief Heney, I said, just because 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.840 the questions are coming to me. He said, Irish, we 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.840 saw that video. That's the video that the city solicitors 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.600 saw that. Then the charges were made against. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:28.320 Who was hit first. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.480 I think once you stopped. I think once you stop 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.600 and start. I think once you stop and start. But 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.480 that will be a question for the city solicitor and 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.160 the city manager and the police entrant police. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:38.200 This is principle. 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.440 If if you do know the interim police chief did 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:40.840 sign that. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.240 And the line officers would not sign it because it 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.040 was wrong, and wouldn't sign it because it was wrong. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.440 I've not heard that. I've not heard that from the 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.360 Chief of police. I've not heard her say that at all, 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.520 and we talked through that. And as a matter of fact, 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.600 here's another fact that you probably don't know. When the 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.280 when the community was called forgetting the warrant sign, I 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.720 spoke with Chief Theji. She did not know where mister 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:04.920 Jermaine I can't think of his last name was. I 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:09.960 actually did find him because he was in the Justice Center. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.960 That principle, if civil rights leaders and civil authority stand 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.160 up and demand a person be charged because of the 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:19.240 color of their skin. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:20.160 That's not what we demanded it. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.520 As a matter of principle, isn't that wrong. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:27.360 That what you're saying is incorrect. So if you listen 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.080 to more over the black community and some non black people, 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:38.200 and as some non black people thought, well, and we disagree, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:38.840 I'm even great. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.320 Should a person be charged because of the color of 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:43.760 their skin? 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.120 No, they should be charged based on facts. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:47.760 Why didn't happen in this case? 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.200 It did happen. They were charged based on facts because 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:50.920 he slapped a man. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.400 But he slapped a man after he was punched twice 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:54.840 in the back of the head first. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.400 But when you look at the video, mister Kunny Hammond, 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.720 I know there are too. There are two worlds. They're 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.440 too worlds. There's a nod, there's a privileged world, and 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:02.960 then there's. 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:07.000 The privilege thousand bucks a year an goodness. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.720 No, I'm not sorry, No, I'm not sir. I feed children, 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.840 I take care of children, and I help my community. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:13.879 There is not enough to pay Iris really for the 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.240 goodness that she's done in the city. And you don't 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:17.760 have to say thank you while we're on the air. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:18.840 I'll wait until well off. 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:23.679 As far as continuing, should we continue with the mayor? 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.800 Is the mayor autel long as the city manager? Yes, 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:28.400 you in charge of the collaborative. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.360 I'm not in charge of the collaborative. I just worked 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:31.399 the communities and worked that. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.679 But you're paid right by tax dollars. I am paid 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:40.000 s with the same mayor, the same city manager, you 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.240 and others involved of criminal justice. And is this the 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:44.879 future of Cincinnati. 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.560