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Speaker 2: Get the duck votes ready, ladies and gentlemen, eighteen to

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Speaker 2: three over the Northeastern Huskies. Let me tell you this

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Speaker 2: could be an offensive year for the Red Sox. You

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Speaker 2: know some people are gonna probably say, hey, what difference

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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray. We're gonna talk a little

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Speaker 2: baseball later on tonight, not about the Red Sox, but

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Speaker 2: about Japanese baseball. We have an author who's going to

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Speaker 2: join us, who has done several books. The latest one

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Speaker 2: is in the Japanese Ballpark, behind the scenes of Nippon

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Speaker 2: Nippon Professional Baseball, and I think it's a great topic,

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Speaker 2: particularly on the night of the first Red Sox. Well,

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Speaker 2: Fruit League game because they weren't playing against another Greape

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Speaker 2: Fruit League team. They were playing against Northeastern University. But

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Speaker 2: it looked warm, it looked nice, it was on television.

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Speaker 2: I missed it because we had a very busy day.

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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside,

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Speaker 2: did a lot of work from Marita. Today, Rob now

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Speaker 2: is all set to take care of all of this.

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Speaker 2: We have four great guests coming up tonight in the

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Speaker 2: eight o'clock hour, including my classmate from Boston Land School

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Speaker 2: of just a few years ago, John Powers, the veteran

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Speaker 2: Olympics correspondents of the correspondent for the Boston Globe. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to talk with Stephanie Sharpert, he's senior journalists at

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Speaker 2: Cyber News about perhaps some of the implications of ringing

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Speaker 2: the doorbells. Talk with John Keller at Large. He's a

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Speaker 2: talk with Maggie Penman. She's a reporter at The war

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Speaker 2: Pole the Washington Post. Maggie, I'm glad to know who

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Speaker 2: excuse me that you are still there. Welcome back tonight Side.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me, Dan, I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: Now you are asking the question, is brain rot real? Yes,

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Speaker 2: it is real, and you're going to explain it to

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Speaker 2: This is a huge story that you're on, Maggie, tell

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Speaker 2: us about it. It sounds silly, but it's not. It's

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So the term brain rot First of all,

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Speaker 3: So a lot of young people will use this term

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Speaker 3: I'm just watching brain rot on TikTok, right, it's the silliest,

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Speaker 3: I'm brain rotting or I'm brain rotted. Yeah, but like

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Speaker 3: you said, there's a kernel of truth there, right, So

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Speaker 3: it's a silly term, but scientists are finding there there

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a genuine term, to be really

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Speaker 2: it's But people are doing this every day, hours, every time,

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Speaker 3: No, there's a lot of truth to what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Let's hit a few of those for everybody's own benefits.

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Speaker 3: So, for one, every expert I talked to you said,

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Speaker 2: Who's making money off of this? Because I assume someone somewhere,

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Speaker 2: of many years, John Keller Keller at Large. You know

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Speaker 4: sign up for it. And I've been writing a weekly

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Speaker 4: that unhappy date.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're right. What do you think about it?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the middle of March of twenty twenty, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna sit on Wednesday morning at the mass

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Speaker 4: Right, So what do you think I should ask him?

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Speaker 2: Dan, Well, one of the things that I was chatting

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Speaker 4: It's that is definitely going to be a topic of conversation.

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Speaker 4: That's now the legal wrangling over this has really heated up.

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Speaker 4: The auditor has filed more litigation, and I believe wants

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Speaker 4: plot she's been cuting. The auditor has with Campbell. The

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Speaker 2: It's going to hopefully end up in front of the

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Speaker 4: You know, looks that way.

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Speaker 2: And I go back for enough to remember names like

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Speaker 2: And as who was the bank robber when they asked

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Speaker 4: Well, well, you know that's where the money is. The legislators,

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Speaker 4: But that's how I read it, and kind of hard

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Speaker 2: Dam No, that's why it's got it's got to go

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Speaker 2: not like Diana Desauglio. She used to work for the

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Speaker 2: And she's got seventy two percent of the electorate. You know,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump claims that he had a mandate in twenty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's no question. Well, you know that's as

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk about the economy, which I think

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Speaker 4: And I also want to explore the question of is

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of people. I went to high

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Speaker 4: Well, along with potentially repeal of the recreational marijuana U

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Speaker 4: They haven't all been have made it to the ballot yet,

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Speaker 2: I felt good thing because we're in a one part state.

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Speaker 2: they meet that second tranch of voters. Yeah, yeah, that

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Speaker 4: Right, this is I'm sorry, Oh, go ahead. This is

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Speaker 4: part of a series of events that State House News

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Speaker 4: Service and Master Lists have been doing. I'm just getting

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Speaker 2: Well. I'm sure that they will go in there expecting

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Speaker 2: Tell them both.

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Speaker 4: I said, hello, Well, you know, it's funny, I've known

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they'll be thrilled to hear that. Oh. I've

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Speaker 4: known Karen Spilk and Ron Mariano a long time just

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Speaker 2: How that indeed, I know that you we'll be posing

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Speaker 2: serious questions. So John, have ated, congratulations. Great to have

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Speaker 2: their a game. John Keller, ladies and gentlemen, Thanks John,

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Speaker 2: as always great to talk to you. I wish I

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Speaker 4: Okay, Thanks Dan, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, John Keller, Ladies and gentlemen. We have the news

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Speaker 2: when we get back, we're going to talk about ring

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Speaker 2: an age old conversation which is only in intensified as

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Speaker 1: News with Dan Ray, I'm w B Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: Delighted to well, Stephanie Sheppard. I'd always like to get

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Speaker 2: last names correctly, Stephanie Good, senior journalists with Cyber News,

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Speaker 2: and you're concerned and the issues that we're going to

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Speaker 6: Go right ahead, Oh okay, Well, so what's interesting about

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Speaker 6: But what's happened is that, you know, with the so

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Speaker 6: really are the two big issues. The backlash from the

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Speaker 6: ring camera new feature caused the company to cancel a

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Speaker 6: deal they had with Flock Safety, which runs the automatic

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Speaker 6: license plate reader cameras, which are located in like five

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Speaker 6: thousand communities. I think there's like eighty thousands of them

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Speaker 6: across the US.

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Speaker 2: It's actually six thousand communities. I had okay, who's the

439
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Speaker 2: chief legal officer on my program last week, so they're

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Speaker 2: up to six thousand ahead.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, So I mean, again, another surveillance infrastructure that

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Speaker 6: you know, again, these cameras help solve crimes, They help

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Speaker 6: police investigations, they help locate missing persons, kidnapping victims such

444
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Speaker 6: as Nancy Guthrie, neighborhood watch programs, that's what they're for.

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Speaker 6: But again, you know, we've installed them, but I don't

446
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Speaker 6: think that people have realized how pervasive they are. And

447
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Speaker 6: you know, Apple, for instance, is coming, They're supposed to

448
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Speaker 6: come out with it with their own version of a

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Speaker 6: door later on this year, and that's going to have

450
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Speaker 6: facial recognition on top of it, so you know, you'll

451
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Speaker 6: be able to walk up to your door and it

452
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Speaker 6: will automatically unlock because it will recognize your face. And

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Speaker 6: so all these AI features are just you know, really

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Speaker 6: coming to the forefront. And it's just something It's not

455
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Speaker 6: that it's bad, it's just something that we've never really

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Speaker 6: experienced before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things that I use as a filter,

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Speaker 2: and i'd love to get your reaction to it. As

459
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Speaker 2: a lawyer for many years, I understand all the legal issues,

460
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Speaker 2: I think fairly well. But one of the issues I

461
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Speaker 2: think the American public doesn't appreciate. And when I worked

462
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Speaker 2: as a television reporter for the CBS afailiate here in

463
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Speaker 2: Boston for a long time in the seventies, eighties and

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Speaker 2: nineties into the two thousands, actually we'd be out doing destroying.

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Speaker 2: We'd be just taking some generic street street scenes, you know,

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Speaker 2: whatever we were talking to. People would come, don't take

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Speaker 2: my don't take my picture. And I would always say

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Speaker 2: to them, look, if you ask us politely not to

469
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Speaker 2: take your picture, happy not to take your picture. But

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Speaker 2: we have a right to take your picture. And people

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Speaker 2: didn't understand that. I said, once you walk into a

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Speaker 2: public space, you know. And of course when we go

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Speaker 2: to a mall, now there are all sorts of cameras

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Speaker 2: around us, I think we've gone I also try to

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Speaker 2: explain to people that when you throw your trash away

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Speaker 2: and you put your trash out in the trash barrel

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Speaker 2: to be picked up by the trash people, you've lost

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Speaker 2: any expectation of privacy that you might have. So we're

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Speaker 2: doing this to ourselves. But there's a benefit to it,

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Speaker 2: and I have not yet been convinced of the great concern.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if we lived in a police state where

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Speaker 2: people were being picked up off the street for no

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Speaker 2: reason at all, if I was being arrested because somehow

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Speaker 2: I was walking down the street. But we don't live

485
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Speaker 2: in a police within a police statement, right with homeland security,

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Speaker 2: what can you articulate the danger to counterbalance the benefit?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think that it's interesting that you

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Speaker 6: say it that way, and I don't know if we

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Speaker 6: even understand what the dangers might be yet, because again,

490
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Speaker 6: data is the most important commodity in the world and

491
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Speaker 6: it's probably going to stay that way for quite a

492
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Speaker 6: long time. So again, images, video footage, all that is

493
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Speaker 6: still considered data. And again, not knowing that your picture

494
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Speaker 6: is online, not knowing that people are taking video of you,

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Speaker 6: it is there is a sense of personal privacy that

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Speaker 6: can be lost, you know, and I think that really

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Speaker 6: is something that concerns a lot of people. Also when

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Speaker 6: you talk about children, you know, you have you know,

499
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Speaker 6: children can be in these videos and there obviously we

500
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Speaker 6: know about all the uh investigations into these you know, pedophiles,

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Speaker 6: these you know, online groups seven I think it's seven

502
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Speaker 6: four seven that are you know, targeting teenagers. You know,

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Speaker 6: we're having all these issues with social media and mental

504
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Speaker 6: health of young people. So I think that, you know, overall,

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Speaker 6: it's just kind of part of the broader spectrum of

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Speaker 6: what is privacy in this day and age, you know.

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Speaker 6: And I wanted to yeah, I just wanted to mention

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Speaker 6: too that you know, besides the home cameras and uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, the license plate cameras cars now are also

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Speaker 6: there's been some issues with I think it's Tesla Mini

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Speaker 6: Coopers a couple of Chevies now. But basically, you know,

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Speaker 6: those cameras, which are you know two, can also take

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Speaker 6: footage of what's going on around the car. And you

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Speaker 6: know there have been cases where it's it's actually films

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Speaker 6: people inside their homes because the cameras are so good.

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Speaker 6: So again, you know, where does it end.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, that's limited. I'm with you totally there. If

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Speaker 2: if you take your ring camera and you all of

519
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: a sudden decide you want to take pictures of someone

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Speaker 2: else across the way inside their studio, their condominium or whatever, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I think it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: long time. We're going to be debating these things and

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Speaker 2: discussing their Stephanie and and you brought a lot of

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Speaker 2: good points tonight, and I'd love to have you back.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, seriously, maybe some night we could bring you

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Speaker 2: back and we could spend an hour and take phone calls,

527
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Speaker 2: which I think might be a really fun activity.

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Speaker 6: Okay, that would be That would be lovely And I

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Speaker 6: appreciate you having me on. You know, privacy is such

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Speaker 6: an important issue, and you know, people thinking that their

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Speaker 6: cameras are off and they're still taking video. You know,

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Speaker 6: all that stuff is something worth talking about.

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Speaker 2: You bet you, you bet your Stephanie Shopper, the senior

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Speaker 2: journalist at Cyber News, Thanks so much, Stephanie, have a

535
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Speaker 2: great weekend.

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Speaker 6: Thanks a lot, Dan, you too.

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Speaker 2: Let me get back to be talking with the John Powers,

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Speaker 2: a veteran Olympic correspondence for the Boston Globe, about the

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Speaker 2: games that are moving into their final days. There's been

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Speaker 2: a lot of highlights. We'll talk with John Powers right

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Speaker 2: after the break.

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: The Olympics are in full swing in Milan, and of

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Speaker 2: course covering the Olympics as he has since nineteen seventy six,

545
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Speaker 2: my fellow classmate from Boston Land School more than a

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Speaker 2: few years ago, John Powers. Hey, John, welcome back to

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Speaker 2: Night Side. And I loved your piece this morning about

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Speaker 2: Alissa lou Just an incredibly well written and piece you

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Speaker 2: brought me to Milan when I woke up this morning

550
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Speaker 2: and sat up my breakfast table reading your article.

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Speaker 5: Great job, well, thank you. It was an interesting story,

552
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Speaker 5: I think, and one of the things it it shows

553
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Speaker 5: that you can leave that sport in your prime for

554
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 5: two years, live an actual life and come back astill

555
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Speaker 5: do it. And I think that was what was more

556
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Speaker 5: important to Alyssa more than the metal, whether she was

557
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Speaker 5: able to do it her way. And she said, we're

558
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Speaker 5: gonna lose, It's gonna be my story because I think

559
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Speaker 5: growing up everybody she's doing for everybody else in this country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is. The Olympics have such feel good stories.

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Speaker 2: I mean even the feel bad stories, the Lindsay Vaughn story.

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Speaker 2: And I saw tonight on CBS Evening News her leg

563
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Speaker 2: is really messed up.

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Speaker 5: Oh it really is.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that that video Benny on the picture

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Speaker 2: of the leg?

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Speaker 5: I mean, oh shit, I did. And you know, and

568
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Speaker 5: and then the thing is, I know Lizzie pretty well

569
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Speaker 5: and there was no chance she was not going to

570
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Speaker 5: go in that race even on you know, because you

571
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Speaker 5: know what, the downhillers are a different breed, different breed.

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Speaker 2: What do you think? I don't know, you know, I

573
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Speaker 2: please a little bit of sports, as you know, we

574
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Speaker 2: all participated in sports as kids, but at this Olympic level,

575
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Speaker 2: it is at a totally different level. I mean, there

576
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Speaker 2: were so many levels and what have you learned over

577
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: the years? I mean you've covered Olympics since nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 2: This in the spirit of full disclosure, I don't think

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Speaker 2: you were in Milan this week.

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Speaker 5: Correct, No matter of fact. The Globe decided, you know,

581
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Speaker 5: you've got limited number of people you can send and

582
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Speaker 5: decided to commentary and analysis. And when we did this

583
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Speaker 5: in Beijing, the COVID that they figure I can opine

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Speaker 5: from here. It's been a problem for many plays.

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Speaker 2: And we talked. We talked about that when you were

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Speaker 2: on with me a few months ago. So that is

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Speaker 2: it is a compliment that you can you can sit here,

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Speaker 2: uh and turn out a copy like you turned out

589
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Speaker 2: this morning and which you will turn out for the

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Speaker 2: rest of the rest of the Olympics. Just kind of

591
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Speaker 2: ask you real on a personal level, what was your

592
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Speaker 2: greatest Olympic moment that that you watched with your own

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Speaker 2: eyes or were there when it happened.

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Speaker 5: Is there one that you that was Yeah, that was

595
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Speaker 5: the mircle on ice in Lake Placid. I mean, not

596
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 5: only was it a huge story, but for Boston you

597
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 5: had four Boston guys on that team, including our fellow

598
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Speaker 5: alumnis Jack o'call.

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Speaker 2: He's a little younger than us.

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Speaker 5: To have RUBIONI, you know, to have Jimmy Craig, Dave Silk,

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Speaker 5: some of these guys. I mean I covered all of

602
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Speaker 5: them in college. And Callahan when my first year or

603
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 5: two of the Globe he was playing for Latin School,

604
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Speaker 5: I covered him in the Boston arena.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So it was a very emotional thing. But also you

607
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 5: know people and you almost have to explain it to

608
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Speaker 5: the younger generation. Nothing was going right for America then,

609
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Speaker 5: and there's some people, you know, most Americans, whether the

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Speaker 5: fuck is Galvanis are Balkanized.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely were you in the building when that game

612
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Speaker 2: was played. You were in the barn?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yep, I was right there. What was really

614
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 5: funny is is that her Brooks, who was the coach,

615
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 5: didn't want the players to come to the press conferences

616
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Speaker 5: after the games because he thought that would always be

617
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Speaker 5: asking for the goalie and the captain and might not

618
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Speaker 5: you know, help. So we were standing out in the

619
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Speaker 5: parking lot getting the players of every coming out of

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Speaker 5: the arena. So after the game became the Soviets, I'm

621
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Speaker 5: standing with Michael Rooney's parents and he comes up with

622
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Speaker 5: his gear and he's still well from the shower. His

623
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Speaker 5: mother says, Michael, you're gonna give me a hot attack.

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Speaker 5: Those are the moment Yep, it was the last game

625
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Speaker 5: you ever played. He never not the game, but the

626
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Speaker 5: game against evinced the gold bella game he never layd

627
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Speaker 5: up again.

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Speaker 2: Well after going to talk that one, give us your

629
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Speaker 2: sense of where you know again, we're we're all homers here.

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Speaker 2: We're rooting, rooting for the US and the individuals. What

631
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Speaker 2: does the last few days look like? Can we overtake

632
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Speaker 2: the Norwegians? I guess we've already overtaken the Italians in

633
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Speaker 2: the medal count.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think we'll overtake the Norwegians the way

635
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Speaker 5: I counted it. They're probably another half a dozen medals

636
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Speaker 5: out there. I mean the men, because they're in the

637
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 5: final guarantee to medal. You have a couple of chances.

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00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 5: In speed skating, You've got you know, Jordan stors is

639
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 5: going again. You've got probably the women are going to

640
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 5: get a Bob Seed medal. You'll get a bunch that already.

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Speaker 5: It's the best overseas games the Americans ever. You know,

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Speaker 5: when they've done well, it's been in Vancouver, or it's

643
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 5: been you know, uh, Salt Lake. Part of it is

644
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 5: North American, right exactly. I mean basically when they've had

645
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 5: to take a plan, they don't do very well. So

646
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 5: this is unusual. But I think what's what's been really

647
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 5: interesting and what I what I found out over the years.

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Speaker 5: The Olympics different because it's what do you do on

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Speaker 5: the day. You can be the best person for the

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Speaker 5: last four years, the best person this season, and what

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Speaker 5: happens on the day. And you saw that so many

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Speaker 5: times here, you know, I mean, how does Breezy Johnson

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Speaker 5: but she un courts it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Schiffrin has her comeback a great comeback story.

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Speaker 2: Uh the disappointment that I believe you wrote about Alyssa Lou. Uh, well,

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Speaker 2: the victory for Alissa Lou, but the disappointment for Amber.

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Speaker 5: Glenn a Glenn Oh, yeah, well it was interesting, interesting

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Speaker 5: story today. I think you'll see tomorrow. A short track

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Speaker 5: Cup medals all the time. She was in Beijing four

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Speaker 5: years ago. At first race, she falls and breaks your

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Speaker 5: nose these Olympics. Three races, she falls three times. He

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Speaker 5: a choker. This is not who I am. I can't

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Speaker 2: Excellent. That's that's the Olympics in a nutshell, John Powers,

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Speaker 2: You've covered the Olympics and like no one else. If

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Speaker 2: there was a Hall of Fame for Olympic correspondence, you

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Speaker 2: would be at the head of the class. I'm proud

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Speaker 2: to know you, particularly whenever Olympics on, I'm always bragging

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Speaker 2: on you. Thanks so much for taking the time to

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Speaker 2: share some of the stories, and more importantly the perspective

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Speaker 2: and the story tomorrow and the Globe. What am I

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Speaker 2: going to see that? John Powers has file fit tonight?

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Speaker 5: You know what, I'm actually not running for tomorrow, but

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Speaker 5: I'm working for the weekend. Okay, on wrap up stories,

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Speaker 5: looking for Sunday on the US Sport, fight sport, I'm

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Speaker 5: looking for. I get kind of a one day breather.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, you gotta have a break. And again the

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Speaker 2: Boston Globe, we are blessed with the Globe with the

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Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, and John Powers has been there for

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Speaker 2: his entire career. John, thanks my friend. We'll talk soon.

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Speaker 2: We'll see at the reunion in May. Okay, I'll meet too. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: We won't tell them what the year is though. Thanks John.

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Speaker 2: We will everybody talk soon. All right, That is it

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Speaker 2: for this hour. When we come back, we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about the big decision by the US Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: today striking down Donald Trump's tariffs with US. Will be

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Speaker 2: professor Doctor Gregory Stoller is a professor business professor at

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Speaker 2: Boston University's Questrum School of Business. And we're going to

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Speaker 2: have a really great hour coming up. And later on

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Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about baseball in Japan. Pro baseball

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Speaker 2: in Japan. Pro Baseball has started. Spring training is underway

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Speaker 2: not only in Florida but also in Japan. Coming back

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Speaker 2: on night's side, right after the nine o'clock news