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Speaker 2: All right, here we go Monday morning. The fun is

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Speaker 2: behind you now, the outdoor fun is behind you, the

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Speaker 2: brief dabbling of summer. And it felt like Florida yesterday

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Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati, record high princh temperatures. And then you

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Speaker 2: That's how we roll in the Queen City. Baby Scott's

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Speaker 2: loan back with you on seven hundred WLW, jumping right

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Speaker 2: in with this. On Friday, President Trump said he was

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Speaker 2: considering winding down the US military operations in Iran, and then,

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Speaker 2: in true Trump fashion, by Saturday night, he was threatening

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Speaker 2: to strike their electrical grid and their infrastructure to get

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Speaker 2: the straighter her moose back open. Meanwhile, Democrats partially shutting

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Speaker 2: down government over DHS reform. And now we have unpaid

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Speaker 2: TS agents using sick day, so that means shortest, it

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Speaker 2: means long lines at the airports. That means ice agents

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Speaker 2: are being used now to help support those on the job.

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Speaker 2: And it is problematic for sure. We got lots going on.

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Speaker 2: And let me bring in on this. Congressman Greg Lansman

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Speaker 2: from here in Cincinnat, Eddie, how are you by the way.

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Speaker 2: Greg has been waiting. He is at Dulles right now.

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Speaker 2: He's been waiting in line since Thursday afternoon. How's it.

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Speaker 2: How's the way going, how's the way going.

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Speaker 3: I'm home. I'm home. I'm home. No, it's bad.

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Speaker 4: They you know, they need to pay TSA immediately.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's the votes are there for it.

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Speaker 4: It's lunny like sometimes the solution is so simple. And

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Speaker 4: the majority leader Senator Soon republic and when said Trump

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Speaker 4: yesterday and just said, look, we can pass a funding

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Speaker 2: Last go around a well last go around it was okay,

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Speaker 2: so voters playing Republicans for the shutdown TSA and okay,

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Speaker 2: well get back to the most six months ago. And

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Speaker 2: now it's the other way. The Democrats are like, well,

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Speaker 2: they're the ones that are because they want uh they

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Speaker 2: we We keep hearing this movie over and over. Democrats

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Speaker 2: of the matter is you got these people who are

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Speaker 2: it's so mindless. Why are we doing this.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a it's a leadership piece or issue. Right,

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Speaker 4: So the majority of us in Congress, on both sides,

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Speaker 4: we would pass a funding bill right now that would

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Speaker 4: and Fune and fun Tribe yesterday to just go to

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Speaker 4: Trump and say, look, we have the votes to fund

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Speaker 4: My feeling is they should just go ahead and put

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Speaker 4: it on the floor. Let us pass a funding bill

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Speaker 4: to fund TSA. I've seen the Secret Service, and if

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Speaker 4: but I don't think he will.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but it's sticky, it is. You know, we've got

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Speaker 2: all sorts of problems in this country. And you see

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Speaker 2: these long lines now Brandon and not everywhere. But at

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Speaker 2: the same time, you know, two hour await just to

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Speaker 2: especially this time of the year, and it's only going

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Speaker 2: same time, it's like, Okay, I got to show an

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Speaker 4: Bad but Sonny I called Halton County just to see, like,

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Speaker 3: Citizens you know noted? They said zero.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we don't have said what they're going to do.

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Speaker 4: They're going to prevent you know, tens of millions of

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Speaker 4: if this law were to pass, it's really just to

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Speaker 3: You know, in my lifetime.

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Speaker 4: But it would it would require you to go in

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Speaker 4: I need some paperwork. You could do that right now

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Speaker 4: voter ID. We have the most stringent a voter ID

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Speaker 3: I mean, everyone would have to go get new IDs.

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Speaker 2: Oh I did that with a with a real idea act.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know. The other cry is as much

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Speaker 2: Republicans talk about these illegals voting, which isn't happening by

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Speaker 2: it takes. We have thirty days of open voting, we

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Speaker 2: It's never been easier to vote. So I don't I really,

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Speaker 2: Every time something like this happens Democrats about voter suppression,

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Speaker 2: I just I don't think it's a thing.

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Speaker 4: Well, because you you probably weren't one of the hundreds.

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Speaker 3: Of thousands of people who were purged.

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Speaker 4: People I've met so many of these people who have

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Speaker 4: And the the the voter piece, the I D piece

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Speaker 3: They got to go get. They got to go get.

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Speaker 3: They don't drive, they got to go. You got to

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Speaker 2: I hate the whole well, I mean there's there's also

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Speaker 2: I I just hate the people that you expect these

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Speaker 2: It's a second why would anyone want to be a

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Speaker 2: What about the Iran thing. You're one of the very

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Speaker 2: and now it looks like, you know, we're not going

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Speaker 2: It's a hot mess straight Oh, Hormus's bloss gas prices

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the Krandain chief president is going to

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Speaker 4: Could, you know, help with the allies, but it does

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Speaker 4: require the commander in chief to pull together a coalition

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Speaker 2: It's exhausting. I mean, one day it's like, hey, we're

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Speaker 4: Now, no troops, no troops, no, you know, extended variation

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Speaker 4: of this operation. The operation was destroy the missile shield,

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Speaker 3: And the navy.

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Speaker 4: That will, you know, make it much easier for us

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Speaker 3: But no ground troops, do not Mission treap here.

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Speaker 4: Be done, and being done will resolve a bunch of

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Speaker 3: The straight of her views.

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Speaker 2: All right, I want to win the limited time we

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Speaker 2: Okay, And it's it's a catch twenty two because we

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Speaker 2: Welcome to it on this Monday morning. Good to see

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Speaker 2: It's wonderful, absolutely wonderful. Getting ready for opening day twenty

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Speaker 2: you're doing is, hey, listen, you're somebody you want to

435
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Speaker 2: turn your life around. Sure, well here's some money, so

436
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 2: you can get your money, but you don't have to

437
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 2: do to things you used to to get that money,

438
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 2: and then you can influence other people. I mean, in

439
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 2: the perfect world to be utopia, it sounds grand, but

440
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 2: we don't live in a perfect world. I'm more of

441
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Speaker 2: a pragmatist I'm sure you might be quite the pragmatist

442
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 2: as well. I don't know, but we do have some

443
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 2: data out relative to the Chicago Plan. Peacekeepers, much like

444
00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 2: Advanced Peace Chicago, spent a billion dollars a billion dollars

445
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: with a bet on community violence intervention the CBI programs

446
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: they called it, over the last ten years, the last decade,

447
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 2: and that program some of those programs. Part of this

448
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 2: pays former and sometimes current gang bangers to mediate conflicts

449
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 2: to prevent shooting. So the idea is, hey, you guys

450
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: are in the gang, you're in the streets right now, right,

451
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 2: and you're affiliated. So what we want you to do is,

452
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 2: here's some money. It's known you are going to be

453
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: a mediator here because you can essentially walk in the

454
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 2: shoes of that people are doing this right and you

455
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: can prevent them from shooting. So Peacekeepers pays these participants

456
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 2: up to one hundred and fifty dollars one hundred and

457
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 2: fifty bucks a day to wear neon vests, kind of

458
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: like you know, the street team down on Fountain Square,

459
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 2: except not cleaning up you know, physical trash, clean up

460
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 2: human trash, I guess. But anyway, we're in the invest

461
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: they worked the hotspots, and so the Free Press did

462
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 2: an investigation and they found twenty eight or as peacekeepers

463
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 2: since January twenty twenty three, and that would include murder,

464
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: drug trafficking, and weapons chargers. One peacekeeper has this picture

465
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Speaker 2: with Governor Pritzker of Illinois and then after that picture

466
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: participated in a smash and grab robbery about six days

467
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Speaker 2: later that killed a man whose baby was born the

468
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Speaker 2: next day. They also have found, because of the massive

469
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: billion dollars in funding for this thing, that some of

470
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 2: the funds went towards vodka, taco trucks, Apple Star purchases,

471
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 2: and a whole bunch of other waste. So again, every

472
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Speaker 2: time you go, hey, listen, we're gonna here's this money,

473
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Speaker 2: and we're gonna give some of this money to this

474
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: this group, or we're going to turn it over to

475
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Speaker 2: these individuals here, because they're going to take that money

476
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Speaker 2: and disperse it. And when you hear politicians say that,

477
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: andy go, okay, here's a million dollars. Let's say not

478
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: a billion, but a million. So out of that million,

479
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 2: here saying well, we got also we're going to give

480
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand to this group. Seventy five thousand, this

481
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: group two hundred thousand's going to go to this group,

482
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: you know. So the community gets on board, and what

483
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: happens is they just look at that and go, you

484
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 2: and I pay for it. But they know the money's

485
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 2: gonna get wasted. And we've seen this with FEMA, We've

486
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: seen this a bunch of other things. We just know

487
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: that it's graft. In order to keep vocal members of

488
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: the community engaged, we have to pay them off. And

489
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: so anytime you hear that, well, we've got we've got

490
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: to fund these other program It's just a kickback, is

491
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: what it is. It's a kickback. And so in this case,

492
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Speaker 2: Chicago tries if they spend a billion dollars over ten

493
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: years and now we're still talking about violence intervention vention

494
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati, are we about to write the same

495
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: check with the same results. I think that's the question.

496
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: That's a question I have. There's no serious accountability structure.

497
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 2: One alderman in Chicago called it a scam and a

498
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: revolving door. There's I forget the podcaster, but somebody got

499
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars in sub grants. What does a

500
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: podcast have to do with stopping shootings. Also this person

501
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: as they use the money to become a clothing influencer. Great, awesome,

502
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: that's what we need. Awesome. And so as we always

503
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 2: demand line item accountability, you feel that anytime you do

504
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: these programs, you just kind of wink wink, nudge, nudge,

505
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 2: and you go with the flow. Maybe like back in

506
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: the day, you know, he got a grease, so well,

507
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 2: we got to pay the mob off a little bit

508
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: for protection. Same kind of thing. It's a different kind

509
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: of mob. It's a different kind of mob. The disturbing

510
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: part is you had almost thirty people arrested in the

511
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: last three years on murder, battery, gun chargers, drugs, had said,

512
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: and one person who was part of this program getting

513
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: money was arrested twice in ten days. One of the

514
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: other studies he did too, was they got a bunch

515
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 2: of folks together candidly and they said, okay, who's in

516
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: this who's here just for the money? In about forty

517
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: percent of the crowd raise their hand to go show you, hey, listen,

518
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: you're gonna give me money with little accountability. I'm gonna

519
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: do that because you are at the heart, you're you're

520
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: engaging criminal behavior. So you're willing to have no moral

521
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: obligate whatsoever, no obligation to society. It's about you. And

522
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry when you take someone like that, with those

523
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: kind of ethos and put them in a situation where, Okay,

524
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: we're going to pay you to be nice, it's not

525
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: going to work out largely. And I get it. You know,

526
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: you need street credibility to reach people. The cops can't,

527
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: the people who intervene can't. But you're you know, and

528
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 2: you're paying people for being gang members. That's actually what

529
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: you're doing. And so I don't know you start with kids,

530
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: but again, the lure of the street is so pervasive

531
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Speaker 2: that I don't think you can get through this.

532
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 4: Now.

533
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: We have our own history of community police tension and

534
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: downtown safety concerns, and we know all about that Riverfront

535
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: live shooting. It's just that the problem I think that

536
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: doesn't pass the sniff tests as a pragmatist is the

537
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: unaccountable cash payments to high risk individuals. And to me,

538
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: it feels just like a political gesture. Well, the idea is, well,

539
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: we have to do something. We've tried everything. We need

540
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: tougher gun laws, Okay, we've had tougher gun laws for years.

541
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: It's really not moving to the el nation. With all

542
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: the weapons that we have, ninety nine plus percent in

543
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: the hands of legitimate people who don't do these things

544
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: with them, it doesn't make a lot of sense. And

545
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to change the Constitution.

546
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: The Second Amendment's not going anywhere anytime soon. So I

547
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: don't know what overstriight site structure Cincinnati would put in

548
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: place that Chicago didn't, because I think, you know, if

549
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: there's a pot of money there that the government wants

550
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: is to hand out, there's gonna be people lined up,

551
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: and not only that, a number of the people who

552
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: are lined up have absolutely no problems taking it with

553
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: producing zero result. You know, paying game members not to

554
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: shoot each other sounds compassionate until they spend the money

555
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: on vodka and you know, go smash and grab a

556
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: I don't know, the protest store at the mall. You know,

557
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: if you look at the receipts of Chicago, that's really

558
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: not that's really not good. Hey look at Chicago, and

559
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: you know, at anytime you do this at cherry Pick,

560
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 2: So you're gonna look at the cities wh are Yeah, yeah,

561
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: it's worked here, that's worked there. Well, okay, that's good,

562
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: but tell me where it didn't work, Because you're trying

563
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: to tell me something. I don't know the successes. I

564
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 2: want to know the failures and did you learn from

565
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: the failures? Clearly? Not clearly? Not so anyway, that's what's happening.

566
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of interesting and at some point

567
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: it'll be reintroduced. We did this in twenty twenty three.

568
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: They wanted two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. Council

569
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: voted for it, eventually got shot down, and it's back

570
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: on the table again this year, or at least it

571
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: was last year and end of this year, I would sume,

572
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: because you know, when you think there's utopia out there

573
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: and we can live in a perfect world where there's

574
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: no wars, there's no fighting, everyone loves each other, I

575
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: got news fair. The world doesn't love on a run,

576
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: doesn't run on love. God bless you for going to

577
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: the world pi idoe ey'd stary eyed thinking you can

578
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: change it. There are people out there who are not

579
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: going to change. There are people out there simply don't

580
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: care about you, but they will take your money with

581
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: a zero accountability that they will do. And it happens

582
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: all the time, all the time. News on the way

583
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: in about nine minutes here on the Big One, seven

584
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: hundred WW Opening Day coming up Thursday live, the Holy

585
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: Girl Banks will see you down for that. Can't wait

586
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: hopefully the weather and it looks like we got a

587
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: little window on Thursday. It's still too early, I mean

588
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: these you know the opening Day fourcast. Look it's Monday, man,

589
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: Thursday's a long way away, a long way away. Let

590
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: me know on how we looking on Wednesday. But I'm

591
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: being optimistic as I usually am, saying there's that window,

592
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: you know, we see that where like rains overnight and

593
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: then clears up and then the game goes off and

594
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: then later in the night there's more rain coming in.

595
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: But right now it's looking, it's looking if it looks

596
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: like it's a go for Reds Baseball on Thursday. Let's

597
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: just bottom line it for you. Slooney at five, one, three, seven, four,

598
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: nine seven the Big One to talk back on the

599
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. The Reds are not getting out a good

600
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: year on scathed. However, later in the show, look at

601
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: other than thirty five, we'll do our weekly update with

602
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: Jeff gar from Lockdown Reds. It's the car show, and

603
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: we're going to talk largely about the Reds pitching situation

604
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: ahead of opening day because we got problems. We were

605
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: fat and happy just about a week ago, and then

606
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's blister city, all right. We

607
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: keep losing guys. You know, Brady Singer was flagged for

608
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: blister back on March eighteenth, but things look good from

609
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: that point forward. Of course, you've got Hunter Green out

610
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: till at least July because of the bone chips. You

611
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: have Caleb Ferguson who's coming out of the bullpen. He

612
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: starts a season on the IL. He's got an MRI

613
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: scheduled for later this week actually, I think what maybe Wednesday,

614
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: And so we're kind of a little decimated right now.

615
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: And on top of it, yesterday, Nicolodolo exits his final

616
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: spring spring training start with a blister on his left

617
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: index finger, and this has been a big issue for

618
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: him for his career. He missed the what over three

619
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: weeks last August with the same problem. And I know

620
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: that it's been extremely hot in Arizona. If you haven't

621
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: been following it closely, they have moved. They had moved

622
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: a number of games outside of the hot hours because

623
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: it was one hundred and five degrees out there was crazy,

624
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: and I guess if you're going to develop a blister,

625
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: it's going to be when it's that hot out. But

626
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: you got Dolo, you got Singer, you got green out.

627
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: Now we had all this pitching, and all of a sudden,

628
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: now it's looking a little bit thinner. It doesn't mean

629
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: that these guys can't step up on Opening Day, and

630
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: especially with the bats you have McLean and Ellie and Freedom.

631
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: If these guys can keep hitting the ball, it's going

632
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: to solve a lot of problems for sure. So anyway,

633
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: Jeff car eleven thirty five will get into that, and

634
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: of course more on opening day itself. Here on the

635
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: Home of the Red, seven hundred w WT Cincinnati. You

636
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: want to be an American idiot, Planty here seven hundred wws.

637
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: You parked the legally, you pay and guess what you

638
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: still got, Rob. We have a parking scam going on

639
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: in America right now. On that is attorney Carry Lutz,

640
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: who's investigator All Luso wrote a book about it.

641
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: Carry, how are you doing great?

642
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 6: And appreciate you helping to get the word out on this.

643
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 6: It is a multi billion dollar scam that they soak

644
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 6: us for five fifty dollars at a time. You don't

645
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 6: even realize that you're being taken.

646
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: Many of the signs throughout the country, signs that say

647
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: scan here to pay aren't legal. They aren't legal. They

648
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 3: can't be writing tickets based on these signs. Signs in America,

649
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: street signs are strictly governed by the NUTCD, the law

650
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: that you have been living by your whole life. You

651
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: never even heard about it.

652
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 6: It's the manual on uniform and emphasize uniform traffic control devices.

653
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 6: Just substitute signs for traffic control devices. A sign is

654
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 6: a traffic control device if and only if it conforms

655
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 6: to federal standards. Every state has adopted this law and

656
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 6: they can't write a ticket, yet they do every single

657
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 6: day of the week if the sign doesn't conform.

658
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: And you will all know the signs you.

659
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: Just assume because they're the QR codes on them. Now,

660
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: so carry out its first. As far as Cincinnati goes,

661
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: we know cities across the country they've they've kind of

662
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: privatized parking enforcement to tech companies basically, and you mentioned

663
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: the signage, clear signage, lawful notice. There's app based contracts,

664
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: there's but they also harvest your data. There's the penalty.

665
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: Systems will confuse rather than form. So it's kind of

666
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: like this constitutional grazone. Now, I will say that Cincinnati

667
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: has not yet fully outsourced our parking enforcement the way

668
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: places like well Chicago or Pittsburgh have. So we hate

669
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: the Cubs and we hite the Bucks. So there you go.

670
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: Enforcement is run by the by the Parking Division of Cincinnati. Now,

671
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: they they push the pay by Phone app, but that's

672
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: a private third party platform that's operating a bunch of cities.

673
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: And they also have since the since the easy park

674
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: app for Ebeart payment, which I use. But drivers here

675
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: still interact with private apps to pay meters. It's not

676
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: as bad as other cities, but it feels like a

677
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: slippery slop like it might be heading that way.

678
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 6: It's getting there. When a city adopts an app, they

679
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 6: find that their revenues from parking, both fees and violations

680
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 6: go up forty to one hundred and sixty percent just

681
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 6: from the apps. And one other thing about the app.

682
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 6: You know, and I know there are millions of miners

683
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 6: driving the nation's highways. They get their licenses, some as

684
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 6: early as fifteen. I think in a least of fourteen

685
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 6: and up to seventeen.

686
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: You're a minor. You can't enter into contracts. That's why a.

687
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 6: Bank will not loan a child money. And the when

688
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 6: you actually download the app and click I accept, you

689
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 6: are saying.

690
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: I wave my right to trial by jury, I wave

691
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: my right.

692
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 6: To enter into a class action. I consent to have

693
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 6: my data shared with God knows how many different partners

694
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 6: that these apps are. I mean it's a question of

695
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 6: who don't they share your data with park Mobile, you

696
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 6: can sent to have your data stored in foreign countries.

697
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 6: And for miners, they're getting the geolocation, the exact location

698
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 6: of a minor when they pay for the parking.

699
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: And this is just unconscionable. It's unacceptable.

700
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 6: They endanger miners potentially, but they shouldn't be entering into

701
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 6: contract and many states now are passing laws requiring parental

702
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 6: consent before the minor is allowed to even utilize an

703
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 6: app or a game on the platform. I've written takedown

704
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 6: notices to Google App Store and Apple App Store saying

705
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 6: this thing is rated for four years and up, which

706
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 6: means anybody can use it, and yet you're allowing miners

707
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 6: to consent to sharing data.

708
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: It's illegal, out and out.

709
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 6: I've also sent complaints to the FTC, the Florida Attorney General,

710
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 6: the Texas Attorney General, a number of others, the SEC

711
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 6: because they're issuing bonds backed by parking.

712
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 3: Revenues that are illegally illegal revenue streets.

713
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: So when you said the signs themselves are are legal,

714
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: like the QR code on the signs, first of all,

715
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: are those ones that are on public streets? What about

716
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: parking lots or city owned parking lots, and you mentioned

717
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: they can't write a citation for that.

718
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 3: Why isn't okay?

719
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 6: So when you have a city owned lot or a

720
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 6: private parking facility, different rules apply. But even the city

721
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 6: owned lot really needs to comply to some extent with

722
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 6: the federal guidelines. So but on street parking, that's what

723
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 6: we're talking about here. But if a parking lot connects

724
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 6: to a street and part of it is a ivate road, effectively,

725
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 6: then the standards apply. The point is they should be

726
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 6: using those standards for any government owned parking facilities.

727
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: Anywhere.

728
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 6: I mean, for instance, the sign is supposed to be

729
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 6: seven feet high. I wish I had a dollar for

730
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 6: every sign that was six and a half or five

731
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 6: feet high. It's supposed to face oncoming traffic. How many

732
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 6: signs have you seen that are mounted parallel to the street.

733
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 6: Unacceptable because the whole point of it is uniformity, so

734
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 6: that if you're in Alaska or you're in Key West,

735
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 6: you can get on the highway, you can see a sign.

736
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 6: You don't have to think about it, you know exactly

737
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 6: what it means. Also to stop somebody from say Portlandia

738
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 6: or Seattle, they decide that they don't like the system,

739
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 6: and they want stop signs to be green and instead

740
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 6: of red, and they want people to stop on green

741
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 6: lights and go on red lights.

742
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: Does that technicalivy negate? The law?

743
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 6: The enforcement law, absolutely, because if the sign's defective, that

744
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 6: is your due process, your notice of the law.

745
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: You can't be expected to know a law if.

746
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 6: You haven't gotten notice to obeyl a law, and so

747
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 6: anything that comes from that. If the sign is illegal,

748
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 6: the tickets they're legal, all right.

749
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: Cincinnati uses we have the Cincinnati Easy Park app. But

750
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: also there's pay by phone which is a third party

751
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: app and it's in well over a thousand cities. Well,

752
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: who owns the data collected When a Cincinnati driver or

753
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: a suburban driver, out of time driver goes in parks

754
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati use that app, what can they do with it?

755
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 3: That's a great question.

756
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 6: Now, really effectively, this is a big tech solution for

757
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 6: a simple problem. So pretty much the app owns the data.

758
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 6: This city might be able to obtain the data or

759
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 6: certain portions of it, but the app owns the data.

760
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: They own your data.

761
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 6: And look in the remember Ababacare, they said, if you

762
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 6: don't get health insurance.

763
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 3: Then we're going to find you.

764
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 6: And the Supreme Court said that's okay, because you do

765
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 6: have a choice. But for instance, in the town upon Beach,

766
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 6: the President's home away from DC, the winter White House

767
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 6: in that town, they have done away with all other

768
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 6: forms of payment.

769
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: So, in other words, if.

770
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 6: You want to park in Palm Beach, you have to

771
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 6: use the app, and that therefore they're forcing you into

772
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 6: a private contract.

773
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: And that's what all of them are doing.

774
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 6: They all want you to use the app because they

775
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 6: don't want to collect meters, they don't want pay stations,

776
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 6: they want you to use the app, and they force

777
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 6: you into a private contract that's called coerced contracting compulsory contracting,

778
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 6: and then it's with a third party, so you have

779
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 6: to pay to pay to park sure because they charge

780
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 6: you a convenience fee. I don't know who it's convenient for,

781
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 6: whether it's.

782
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: For them or for you.

783
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 6: But look, it's all on life site, parkscam dot com.

784
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 6: The book is there, and I think that you know,

785
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 6: it's been allowed to fester for too long. Originally parking

786
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 6: leaders served a valid purpose, and that was they didn't

787
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 6: want people parking in front of merchants all that long.

788
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they went to squat and there basically treated like

789
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: a parking lot because they want to They want to

790
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: turn traffic over so people can spend money. Start Sure,

791
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: and it's now it's turning to well, I think I

792
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: think Chicago is a great example. They've been knew this

793
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: for a long long time and that's considered by many

794
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: people the disaster. But uh, that is like how it

795
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 2: gets sold to councils. And you know, we're always looking

796
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: for money right the city since naw, we need money.

797
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: We sold our railroad so we could fix the roads

798
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: here that've been ill repaired for twenty plus years. This

799
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: feels like something they go, wow, okay, well can we

800
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: make some money off this thing? Much money, much like

801
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: Ohio did before they passed along these law which which

802
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 2: outlawed these speed cameras, and so you know you'd go through, Yeah,

803
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: you get this ticket in the mail. I didn't even

804
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: always drive in the car, and you know, paying these

805
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: exorbitant fees and you couldn't fight it because there's some

806
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: out of state po box and that got struck down

807
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: in Ohio smartly enough. This sounds like it's like the

808
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: next incarnation of that.

809
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: I'm hoping it will be.

810
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 6: I've sued the six municipalities. I have sued three parking

811
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 6: apps in the US District Court in in South Florida,

812
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 6: and they're going.

813
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: To have to account for it.

814
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 6: I've also put in some complaints to the Florida Department

815
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 6: of Transportation. They've been very upset about street art that

816
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 6: it's not a traffic control device, it's illegal, and it's

817
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 6: an opinion said all illegal traffic control devices need to

818
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 6: be immediately removed because they're a danger to the road.

819
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 6: And yet these parking signs are abundant and the towns,

820
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 6: the cities view them as free money, but in the

821
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 6: end they.

822
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: Really injure merchants.

823
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 6: Downtowns were ruined by parking, and that's why people started

824
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 6: going to malls. And the more they this is just

825
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 6: an extractive system. They provide you no value, all right,

826
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 6: no value whatsoever for parking. We own the curves, right,

827
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 6: the public owns the streets, so they're charging you.

828
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: You know, I get the.

829
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 6: Fact you need turnover. You don't want somebody hogging all

830
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 6: the all the retail, right, yeah, yeah, exactly. And private

831
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 6: parking that's a private matter between you and.

832
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: The owner of the garage.

833
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 6: But when they use an app, and you can't even

834
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 6: park in the facility unless you use the app, all right,

835
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 6: so you have a choice. So I won't park there.

836
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 6: But for children getting their data shared and basically the

837
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 6: app is a data harvesting tool. Would you believe that

838
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 6: the app actually creates or has the ability to create

839
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 6: a behavioral profile of the user. They know when you

840
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 6: go to work, they know whenever you park, and then

841
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 6: that picks up patterns and then they market to you

842
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 6: these app companies. I get monthly emails from park Mobile

843
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 6: saying join the Private Park, Mobile club and YouTube.

844
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 3: Can you know?

845
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 6: It does the thing that every app should do, which is,

846
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 6: if you're running late, you should have the ability to

847
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 6: automatically extend time.

848
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: So their private club app does that.

849
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 6: They don't charge convenience fees, but they're regular app that

850
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 6: the general public downloads doesn't automatically spend time. So if

851
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 6: they could do it for the people paying, why can't

852
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 6: they do it for the people who are who are

853
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 6: just casually.

854
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: Carry lots at parkscam dot com and not bad yet

855
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: Here in Cincinnati, we're talking about the pay by phone

856
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: app since the easy park is meter payment here in

857
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: the city has that and everything's enforced by the Parking Division,

858
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: but the pay by phone app is being used in

859
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: some lots in other areas, and it's kind of like

860
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: Mission Creep. And the idea here is you are forced

861
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: to enter a third party contract outside the scope of Cincinnati,

862
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: much like we did with speed cameras, where even if

863
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: you follow the signs and think you parked legally, you

864
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: can still get a ticket. How does that actually happen

865
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Speaker 2: though it sign says I can park here at park,

866
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: I pay and I still get a ticket. What's going on?

867
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 6: Well, you think the sign says that, and a lot

868
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Speaker 6: of tickets are are actually thrown out when people take time,

869
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 6: when you take the time to actually challenge them, and

870
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Speaker 6: the parking enforcement officer what we used to affectionately called

871
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Speaker 6: meter maids.

872
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: They don't know the law generally any.

873
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 6: Better than you do. All they do is scan your plate.

874
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 6: The thing says violation, create ticket, and that's what they do.

875
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 6: It's more and more an automated process. They even have

876
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 6: cameras that clock you when you come in and then

877
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 6: clock you when you leave, and if you stay two

878
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 6: minutes over you get a violation. So all of it

879
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 6: is just it's just gotten to the point where it's

880
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 6: just totally extracted. It just provides no value and it

881
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 6: needs to stop.

882
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: You mentioned that there's like a constancial gray zone that

883
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: no regular or wants to claim jurisdiction at the federal

884
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: state are here in cincinn at the local level. So

885
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: how does that? What's the gray zone? And who should

886
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: be mine in the store? Why aren't they?

887
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 6: Well, it's every so the NUTCD that's the bible of

888
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 6: the road. It's twelve hundred thick pages of every sign,

889
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 6: speed limits, of traffic lights. You name it, markings on curbs,

890
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 6: et cetera. And in it every state has had to

891
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 6: adopt it. They passed laws generally, and so basically in Florida,

892
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 6: the Florida Department of Transportation is responsible to see that

893
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 6: this thing is carried out. And they have the ability

894
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 6: as well as the FEDS to say, you're not complying

895
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 6: with the manual, you're losing highway funds. And that's what

896
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 6: Florida is doing with the street art, getting the cities

897
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 6: to remove the street art, saying this is a traffic

898
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 6: control device and it doesn't comply and you're losing your money.

899
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 6: And it's millions of dollars a city, like for Ludderdale.

900
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 6: So every every state has the ability to actually implement

901
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 6: this and force these cities to comply with the law.

902
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're making money off it. That's the whole

903
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: driver this thing, which asked the begs of question. More

904
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 2: and more cities each day must be privatizing the parking

905
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: apps and things like that because they're making money.

906
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: Right.

907
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 6: Oh, of course, there was an area in a city

908
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 6: here called Riviera Beach, Singer Island, very plush, and they

909
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 6: implemented a parking system in a lot that forever had

910
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 6: been free and the prices are outrageous. This is what

911
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 6: started me off on the whole thing. And they figured

912
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 6: they could bring in a couple million dollars a year. Well,

913
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 6: except they privatized the entire system where city employees don't

914
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 6: even write the tickets. It's the private employees write the

915
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 6: ticket and they and then the judge, jury and executioner.

916
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 6: They actually they actually there's an admunication portal and you

917
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 6: basically if you want to challenge the ticket, you go

918
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 6: to this site and then you have to struggle to

919
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 6: find the link that says challenge this ticket, and then

920
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 6: they decide whether or not you have a valid plane,

921
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 6: and then they want to charge you for an arbitrator

922
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 6: if you don't agree with their decisions.

923
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: It sounds like it sounds almost exactly like the speed

924
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: camera thing we had here. It's a profit center. It's

925
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 2: not about public right away and enforcement. He's carry lots

926
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: for more on this. It's parkscam dot com, America's great

927
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Speaker 2: parking scam. Parkscam dot com carry lots. Thanks for the time,

928
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: appreciate it, Hey anytime.

929
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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on.

930
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the interesting part, but again, you know sinc. Now,

931
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: we're not yet fully outsourcing this. We do have the

932
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: since the easy park app, which I think as far

933
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: as I can tell some about the city, But they

934
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: do push the pay by phone app, which is a

935
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: private third party platform like he's talking about here. So

936
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: it's a mission creep for Warners Forum especially. I mean,

937
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: you're going to a Reds game in Pittsburgh or Chicago

938
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 2: or other cities, they have this there. So just FYI

939
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Speaker 2: Scott's Loan Show seven hundred ww. Everyone needs help every

940
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: now and then, and she's here to help us get

941
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: our heads right. This is Mental Health Monday with mental

942
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: health expert Julie Hattershire. Yeah, so autism diagnosis an all

943
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: time high. Understanding wise, we're still catching up. So what

944
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: do you do when a child has a melt down

945
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: in a grocery store? How do you talk to a

946
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: nonverbal person? What are we getting wrong about autism? I

947
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: bring this up because we have had an incredible number

948
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: of deaths involving autistic children in this case, we had

949
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,959
Speaker 2: just another one last weekend. As a matter of fact,

950
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: they're like nine where they walk into a pond. We

951
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: had one in Deerfield Township, a four year old drowning,

952
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: and so there's something about water that attracts autistic children.

953
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: Not much we can do about that other then maybe

954
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: just keeping an eye out if you have a retention

955
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: pond your house or your neighborhood or whatever it is.

956
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: But you've got to really be careful for some of

957
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: the young men in Westchester last summer who passed away.

958
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: But it brings autism back in the light. We certainly

959
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time talking about people are where

960
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: it exists. It's a real thing, but you just wonder

961
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: how many folks actually understand what it is. And on

962
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 2: that as our licensed mental health therapist of course, Julie

963
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: Hattershare on the show on seven hundred WW for mental

964
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: health money.

965
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Speaker 5: Good morning, good morning, how are you.

966
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: I'm fine. These are horrible stories to read about when

967
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 2: you have young people who are dying. I mean kids

968
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: who are dying are autistic and they wander off and

969
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: go off the reservation. I think they call it eloping.

970
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: Is the a formal term when they do that.

971
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

972
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is horrifying.

973
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: It truly is.

974
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 5: And there is a higher prevalence of it in the

975
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Speaker 5: autistic child community than in the non autistic child community.

976
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 5: All children are attracted to water, but autistic children tend

977
00:49:53,640 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 5: to drown more frequently than non autistic children do. It

978
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 5: is called a open yeah, and they run away, they leave,

979
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 5: They wander off for various reasons. And one of the

980
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 5: things that's important if you're a caregiver of someone who's

981
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 5: autistic to understand is what they may be trying to

982
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 5: do by leaving. They're not just wandering for no reason.

983
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 5: There's a need they're trying.

984
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: To meet or want.

985
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 5: They're trying to fill, something they're trying to escape from,

986
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 5: So understanding the why can be really important. But yeah,

987
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 5: that was a terrible case.

988
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the girl, she was nine years older, name was

989
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 2: Jenny dimm in Florence, and this happened just last week.

990
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: And he had about three thousand people looking for at

991
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: any one time when she lost and then they found

992
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: her in a pond. And man, we've got ponds all

993
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: over so we've got, you know, the ninth one passing

994
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: away this time last year at eight dead, six from drowning.

995
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: It's just something about that attracts them to the water.

996
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: The child, the four year old in Deerfield Township. He

997
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: was not autistic, as I just saw so that. But again,

998
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: you know, kids near water very very dangerous, specially autistic kids,

999
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: or something about the water that attracts them, And I

1000
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: think it just goes to show you how little we

1001
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: understand still despite awareness. I've seen autism stickers, I volunteer

1002
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: for autism events, and I understand the spectrum. But I

1003
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: think outside, unless there's someone you know who's directly impacted

1004
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: or suffers from autism, we kind of go, yeah, autism,

1005
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: but we don't know what it all means. Because now

1006
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 2: one in thirty six kids are diagnosed with this, and

1007
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: this seems to me to be it's getting worse, it's

1008
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: not better, despite all the attention paid to it.

1009
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 5: I think you could say it's getting worse. And I

1010
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 5: think there's some disagreement in the autistic community about whether

1011
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 5: it's getting worse or whether the diagnosis is becoming much

1012
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 5: more specific. So, you know, things that we used to

1013
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 5: not understand as being part of the autistic spectrum maybe

1014
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 5: are now part of the autistic spectrum. So children and adults,

1015
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 5: because one in forty five adults is diagnosed with autism,

1016
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 5: Children and adults who might not have previously been diagnosed

1017
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 5: because we didn't understand the whole range of symptoms that

1018
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 5: go into this spectrum. Now is that continues to expand.

1019
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 5: More and more people are finding themselves on the spectrum

1020
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 5: as a result of that. So it may be that

1021
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 5: it's becoming more prevalent. It may also be that our

1022
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 5: diagnostic criteria and our diagnostic skills are getting more sophisticated

1023
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 5: and we're able to catch more people who find themselves

1024
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 5: on the spectrum.

1025
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: And that's usually the case. It gets more granular and

1026
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: therefore identifying it more. And so what you though, they're

1027
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: here from people who are older. Usually that not always,

1028
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: but usually older folks are like, well, back in my day,

1029
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: we never had this. It's all made up because your

1030
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: kid is acting the full and now we claim it's

1031
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: a it's a disease and disorder and not an issue

1032
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,479
Speaker 2: of punishment and accountability, which could be further from the truth.

1033
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 2: But that I think that still exists.

1034
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it is definitely a neurodivergence. Is it is

1035
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 5: a brain difference, which is what neurodivergence means, like ADHD is,

1036
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 5: like dyslexia is like this calculia is I call dyslexia

1037
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 5: for numbers and that's.

1038
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: What I have.

1039
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 5: I had this calculia. But it's these differences in the

1040
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 5: way our brains work, and the more sophisticated or diagnostic

1041
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 5: systems have become functional in oriyes, for example, the more

1042
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 5: we're able to see the way people's brains operate differently

1043
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 5: under different circumstances, and so we're finding more understanding and

1044
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 5: more nuanced understanding of what we used to just think

1045
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 5: of as the kids in the slow class, for example,

1046
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 5: or the kids who weren't school appropriate so they were

1047
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 5: homeschooled or kept at home. And in the early days,

1048
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 5: children with autism were often institutionalized because their behaviors were

1049
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 5: so problematic it was difficult for families and parents to

1050
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 5: take care of them, and so it Yes, older people

1051
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 5: take a look at it and say, we didn't have

1052
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 5: that in my day, and answers, well, we did, absolutely

1053
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 5: you did. It's just that they didn't mainstream into society

1054
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 5: in the same way that we have been made streaming

1055
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 5: children with learning disabilities and developmental disabilities for the last

1056
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 5: two or three decades.

1057
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: At least, we just got the hell bait of us.

1058
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: Back then, they hitch a harder right to smack.

1059
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 3: That it is.

1060
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the way it was.

1061
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

1062
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 5: Children with ADHD misunderstood, punished, called lazy, called stupid. Now

1063
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 5: we understand their brains operate differently, and we need to

1064
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 5: approach them differently. Autism is similar. Children with autism where

1065
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 5: the weird kid, the quirky kid, the kid who went

1066
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 5: to the special school. Now often we understand more about it,

1067
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 5: and we can help them learn in the way that

1068
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 5: best suits them and help them maximize their potential, whatever

1069
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 5: that might be, whether that's really high or somewhat lower

1070
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 5: in need of support. Still, we can help children and

1071
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 5: adults live better lives and maximize their potentially.

1072
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 2: I still do have the numbers dyslexia, for example.

1073
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 5: And yeah, just calculia that I got the hell be it.

1074
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: Out of me for years. I'm really good at reading

1075
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: and but my verbal all those sins are off the charts.

1076
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: And then the math was just terrible and I couldn't

1077
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: do it. So I did not know that it was

1078
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Speaker 2: a bonafide condition until today. Am I Todd the money

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Speaker 2: compensation a better parking spot? Can I get something for

1080
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: this disability?

1081
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Speaker 5: You're you're entitled to And I'm sorry from every math teacher.

1082
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: You ever had, Yeah, yeah, used to shame you.

1083
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 5: I think if that was true, because I got.

1084
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did the math teaching I had.

1085
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 5: For being like you, really bright in some areas and

1086
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 5: could not do my multiplication people when everybody else should.

1087
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: Rattle them to have a beer multiplication and I could

1088
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: not memorize any of it.

1089
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 5: I could not do them, could not do them.

1090
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: My aunt bought me this, this device. It was like

1091
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: a big I don't know, slider board, you know, and

1092
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: it's like kind of like the flash cards, and it

1093
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: was a hard and you sit and do it by

1094
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: yourself and go, okay, eight times eight. For some reason

1095
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: this day like numbers like eight times six, nine times six.

1096
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: I still have to count of my fingers.

1097
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember exactly.

1098
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 5: I have workarounds too. And you remember in math class

1099
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 5: when they said you have to know this. You have

1100
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 5: to know this because you're never going to walk around

1101
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 5: with a calculator in your pocket. And now don't we

1102
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 5: just walk around with calculators in our pockets.

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00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: I always believe in technology. I said to listen, you

1104
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 2: know what, if enough of us, if none of us

1105
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 2: get fat enough, they'll come up with a pill which

1106
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: just takes the weight off and look where we are,

1107
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: Look where we are, look where we are.

1108
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 3: Right.

1109
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: So, but back to autism, Julie, that's the thing is

1110
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 2: we have this. You know, the spectrums really wide. We're

1111
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: not quite true like my son experienced young ADHD and

1112
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: all that, and you kind of grow out of it.

1113
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: I mean, but you know, if you're you can do that.

1114
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: But later in life our horses severe.

1115
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, not necessarily. As you grow. Oftentimes if you're

1116
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 5: if you're pretty well functioning, you can develop workarounds. Yes,

1117
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 5: So for example, you and I didn't outgrow are just calculia.

1118
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 5: We just developed workarounds, including but not limited to a calculator.

1119
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 5: But I can do math in my head pretty well

1120
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 5: because I've worked out a system that makes sense for me,

1121
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 5: which is not the way I was taught. People who

1122
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 5: are dyslexic, they don't outgrow dyslexia. They learn a system

1123
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 5: for looking at words and looking at sentences and making

1124
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 5: sense of them. So as people grow into their autistic diagnosis,

1125
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 5: as they grow and change, their strengths may change, their

1126
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 5: challenges may change. They may put themselves or find themselves

1127
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 5: in environments that work with their strengths and compensate for

1128
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 5: their challenges, or the opposite may be true. They may

1129
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 5: find themselves in environments where it really doesn't work with

1130
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 5: their strengths and it really exacerbates their challenges and so

1131
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 5: they appear less functional. Then they might be in a

1132
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 5: different kind of environment. So it isn't necessarily the grow it.

1133
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 5: It's that you can develop skill sets to work around

1134
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 5: and you can often organize your environment so that it

1135
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 5: benefits you more than is detrimental to you.

1136
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: Okay, we're talking about autism with Julie Harrisher this morning.

1137
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: It's mental health money in the Scots Launch show. Tragically,

1138
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: a nine year old girl died just last week. Another

1139
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: autistic kid finding water and water is that it's a

1140
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: calling for them and a lot of us still don't

1141
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: understand what autism means. I think the most common example

1142
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: is you're at the store, I don't know, you're at

1143
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: your target and child screaming and have an absolute meltdown

1144
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: and bystanders immediately assume bad parenting. So what is happening

1145
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: neurologically at that moment? Also, as a innocent binder share stranger,

1146
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: what should we do or not do when you witness something.

1147
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 5: Like that, well, I think the first thing not to

1148
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 5: do is shame the parents or the caregivers or look

1149
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 5: askance at the child, because clearly the child is overwhelmed.

1150
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 5: Whenever any child has a meltdown, whether they're autistic or not,

1151
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 5: their environment has outstripped their coping skills. That's what that

1152
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 5: means is they are sensorially overloaded in their environment and

1153
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 5: what it's asking of them has outstripped their coping skills.

1154
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 5: Autistic children, that happens more frequently and more easily than

1155
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 5: neurotypical children of the same age. And so you may

1156
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 5: see an autistic child who is old or than you

1157
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 5: would expect a temper tantrum from. If you see a

1158
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 5: two year old throwing a tantrum, you're kind of like, well,

1159
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 5: there too. If you see a twelve year old throwing

1160
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 5: a tantrum, your first thought is why can't they behave

1161
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 5: like a twelve year old. But for many autistic children,

1162
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 5: an environment like target will weigh overstimulate them, and what

1163
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 5: they have to do to manage that overstimulation outstrips their

1164
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 5: coping skills at that moment in time, and they don't

1165
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 5: sometimes have the ability to describe what's going on in

1166
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 5: words which a neurotypical twelve year old would and so

1167
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 5: they tell you in whatever way they need to tell

1168
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 5: you that they have had enough, and that is essentially

1169
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 5: what's going on. One of the hallmark characteristics of oxism

1170
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 5: is they have a very difficult time with speech and

1171
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 5: nonverbal communication. Not that they are not that many of

1172
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 5: them can't speak all those some can't, but understanding what

1173
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 5: the words mean, the nonverbal cues that you need to

1174
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 5: pick up on and that they need to pick up

1175
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 5: on in communication communication is a challenge. And the more

1176
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 5: overwhelmed and over stimulated they get, the more that becomes challenging.

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01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 5: So the higher there's stimulation level goes, the lower their

1178
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 5: ability to describe what's going on goes, and the lower

1179
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 5: their ability to seek relief in more what we might

1180
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 5: consider age appropriate ways.

1181
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Yeah, And it seems to me like the way

1182
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 2: it's described, and I get it is you know someone

1183
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: with ADHD, for example, and we all to some degree suffer.

1184
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: But if you're sitting in roomy avig like I do,

1185
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 2: it's like I'm talking to you, but I can hear

1186
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: somebody out in the hallway. I just walk. Somebody watch

1187
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: past I've got I'm watching. I've got Fox News here,

1188
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: They're CNN over there, I've got Sports Center over here.

1189
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: The one light is flickering right now, but everything is

1190
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: pushed up to eleven, like they're all competing for the

1191
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: same thing. So the thoughts in your head it's but

1192
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: if you're a child, you have no way to deal

1193
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: with that, and so you get the sensory overload. It's site, sounds, smells,

1194
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: all perceptions and if everything is pushed up as far

1195
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: as it will go, it's all cumminated. You there's no

1196
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: way to sort them. More people who can balance things

1197
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: out and go okay, to focus on this, If the

1198
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: more on the spectrum you are, the harder, that is exactly.

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Speaker 5: And also if you're more on the spectrum, the more

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01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 5: sensitive you are to that. Often people with autism are

1201
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 5: often more highly sensitive to sound and temperature and light

1202
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 5: and plantation touch than those who are not on the spectrum.

1203
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 5: So take a normal environment that might overstimulate a normal

1204
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 5: neurotypical person someone with autism who is highly sensitive to

1205
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 5: that anyway, it's off the charts stimulating. Then you factor

1206
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 5: in the language challenges that often come along with that diagnosis,

1207
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 5: and they can't talk about it, they can't tell you

1208
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 5: what's going on, and they may not even have the

1209
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 5: ability to make sense of it in their own head.

1210
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 5: And so oftentimes what they do is they want to

1211
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 5: get away. They have a meltdown, or they want to

1212
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 5: get away, which is where the elopement comes in. They

1213
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 5: frequently are trying to get away situations that are overstimulating

1214
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 5: to them, that are frightening, too much, overwhelming, over stimulating, unfamiliar.

1215
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 5: Sometimes they're trying to get away anywhere. Sometimes they're trying

1216
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 5: to get back to someplace that.

1217
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: Is familiar to them.

1218
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 5: I'm going to leave here and I'm going to go

1219
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 5: someplace that is familiar to me. But they're not always

1220
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 5: necessarily aware where that is. Water is a calming, soothing presence.

1221
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 5: It's also pretty. I mean, sun light on water is

1222
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 5: one of the prettiest yeah nights out there, so that

1223
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 5: can be a draw. So it really is about overwhelmed

1224
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 5: coping mechanisms.

1225
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's part of our DNA. It's part mean.

1226
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: Water is calming, it's relaxing. You take a bath, you know,

1227
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: generally kids like to swim, and that explains maybe explains

1228
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Speaker 2: why we have had nine deaths, including one last week.

1229
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 2: Talking to Julie Hatter Share our license mouth health expert

1230
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: about autism and and that and that tragedy kids are

1231
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: loping and finding water and dying. It doesn't mean the

1232
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: kids are dumb either, And I think that comes out

1233
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: as well as like, well, you don't speak, you must

1234
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: be You know, we used to call people who weren't

1235
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: able to speak dumb. I mean that was literally what

1236
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: we called them back in the long time ago anyway,

1237
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 2: But now we're learning about more about this. So you

1238
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: see this in public, you don't want to react, You

1239
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: don't want to intervene. Is there something? I mean, when

1240
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 2: a kid's having a tantrum, you just kind of what

1241
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: do you do? Do you just let them finish it out?

1242
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: Do you hug them? How do you deal with that?

1243
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 5: Well, if you're the caregiver, I'm sure you have your

1244
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 5: own skills and coping mechanisms for your own child or

1245
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 5: the child you're taking care of. So I would hesitate

1246
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 5: to prescribe anything for someone who's taking care of a

1247
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 5: child with autism, because they probably know what to do.

1248
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 5: But for those of us who are the bystanders. The

1249
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,959
Speaker 5: thing to do is just give them some peace, walk

1250
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 5: on by, let the caregiver take care of it, don't intervene.

1251
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 5: And for the please don't shame or scowl at or

1252
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 5: mutter about the kid who can't control and the parent

1253
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 5: who can't control the kid. They are out of control literally,

1254
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 5: so they need to get regulated. They're so regulated to

1255
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 5: that point in time, in our judgment, does not help

1256
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 5: the situation, either for the child or the people with

1257
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 5: the child.

1258
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine the caregiver having to do that on a

1259
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: daily basis, right, It's like, yeah, I get it, and

1260
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: you know, he's the lot they're being allowed. It's it's

1261
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: not about your needs right now. And it's unfortunate because

1262
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're waiting to get on a plane,

1263
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: let's say, and waiting in a twenty hour line of TSA,

1264
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 2: that's where the child's gonna have a meltdown. And so

1265
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: you know, we kind of all got to do it.

1266
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 5: That's that's where a competent adult is going to have

1267
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 5: a meltdown.

1268
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might have a melt out right right right exactly.

1269
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: She is at Hey, Julie at bconnected dot Care Practice

1270
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: out of Clifton. If you any questions, concerns, or if

1271
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: you have an idea for a future segment, let us know. Julie,

1272
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: we'll talk next Monday. Have a great one. Thanks you too,

1273
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: appreciate it. We'll do news on the way in just

1274
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 2: minutes here and if you're using a public parking app

1275
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: you could be getting ripped off. It's not quite here

1276
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, but it's coming just ahead. Seven hundred WW.

1277
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: Do you want to be an America? Slowly?

1278
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 3: Here?

1279
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: This is seven hundred WLW, So rewinding a little bit,

1280
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 2: we'll play it back. The last week Supreme Court of

1281
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: Ohio did not act a judging Franklin Connie denied a

1282
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 2: temporary restraining order and it all died on the vine.

1283
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 2: And by the start of March Madness officially the start

1284
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: of all the tournaments. THT beverages are banned in Ohio

1285
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 2: bars and breweries, and Cincinnati's Fifty West and many other

1286
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: businesses were left kind of holding the bag on it.

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Speaker 2: Joining the show this morning for a little recap and

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Speaker 2: where it goes next as Bobby Slattery, he is the

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Speaker 2: founder of Fifty West Brewing. Welcome, how are you rety?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Supreme Court didn't act and the tro

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Speaker 2: was denied and the band is effect. How many people

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Speaker 2: showed up and maybe not aware of this and come

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Speaker 2: to fifty West in one of your locations and said, hey, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I want one of those THHG and fused beverages. Were

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Speaker 2: people kind of caught off guard by this?

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't even know if we want to talk

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Speaker 7: about people that showed up unexpected, I think more we

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Speaker 7: can speak to the people that showed up the last

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Speaker 7: day it was available, Okay, I mean, Sonny, there was

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Speaker 7: we had.

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Speaker 1: We had people coming in and out of the place NonStop.

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Speaker 7: We obviously had the customers reach out the day after

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Speaker 7: and go, oh shoot, I missed I missed the boat.

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Speaker 7: Now I can't buy this stuff in Ohio? What am

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Speaker 7: I supposed to do? But the support for these products

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Speaker 7: have been it's been overwhelming. I mean, I never it's

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Speaker 7: honestly been kind of fun to just fun to watch

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Speaker 7: it from as an outsider. Right, it feels like a

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Speaker 7: real movement happening in the state.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's sad that we just killed us on

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Speaker 2: the whim of the governor. I will point out You

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Speaker 2: had a great post on social said, yeah, we we

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Speaker 2: were taking four semi our tractor tows, four semi loads

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Speaker 2: of the product of the thh and fused drinks and

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Speaker 2: we're taking them down to Kentucky where it's perfectly legal.

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Speaker 2: What kind of messages that's a not but that you're doing,

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Speaker 2: but by the state of Ohio. And let me particular,

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Speaker 2: Governor de Wine.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean from us, let's talk about like, why

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Speaker 7: does this matter to me? And why do I care

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Speaker 7: so much? It's about jobs at my at my company.

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Speaker 7: It's about people that work for us and not you know,

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Speaker 7: we ship that stuff into Kentucky. That's great, that was

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Speaker 7: stuff we made, but we're not allowed to make it anymore.

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Speaker 7: And we got people that work in our business, great

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Speaker 7: people that have done great work to create something that

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Speaker 7: the people in Ohio care about. And now, I mean,

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Speaker 7: they don't really have anything to do, right, so we

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Speaker 7: have to sit here and say, oh, well, if you

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Speaker 7: don't have anything to do, well, then what's our next step?

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 7: And so that's that's what stinks. It's you know, what,

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Speaker 7: you want me to pick my pickup or manufacturing and

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Speaker 7: move into Kentucky. It's it's right like that's that's where

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Speaker 7: it gets a little bit difficult. So we're working through

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Speaker 7: that right now. I would say this fight's not over.

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Speaker 7: I think it's gonna get really interesting here in the

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Speaker 7: next week. If this was a football game here, you know,

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Speaker 7: we're we're under two minutes.

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Speaker 1: I do see a way to score.

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Speaker 2: You see a path I want to get in that

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Speaker 2: just a second. But I got the opinion of Scottie

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Speaker 2: Hunter was on a couple of times with me from

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Speaker 2: our urban artifact. You guys are enjoined in the suit

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Speaker 2: with two other manufacturers and it didn't go anywhere. Have

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Speaker 2: you ever gotten to your satisfaction as someone who brings

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Speaker 2: money into the state of Ohio, you know, you generate

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Speaker 2: a lot of tax revenue for the state and the

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Speaker 2: locom news spills. Have you ever got an answer to

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Speaker 2: your satisfaction as to why Mike the Wine struck down

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Speaker 2: the THT beverage issue And it was a line eight

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Speaker 2: in veto is a what it was? Because the initial

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Speaker 2: bill looked pretty good, you said yourself, Yeah, the fifty

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Speaker 2: six was great, as best as we could do. There's

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Speaker 2: some really positive things in there. But Mike de Wine

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Speaker 2: came along with the power of his pen and completely

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Speaker 2: struck that out, and the legislature and the courts backed

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Speaker 2: them up. Did you ever get an answer as to

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Speaker 2: what the issue is.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's go a.

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Speaker 7: Little bit back on that. I mean, fifty six was

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Speaker 7: not good when it started, and we still it wasn't

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Speaker 7: and we worked to get it there. And kudos to

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Speaker 7: our General Assembly. They did a great job right in

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Speaker 7: that bill. I mean we were asking to go probably

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Speaker 7: seventy miles an hour, and they told us we could

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Speaker 7: go sixty five. So, like obviously there were certain things

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Speaker 7: in there we wanted a little bit, a little bit more,

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Speaker 7: but overall was a great bill, and there was a

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Speaker 7: lot of conversations with people that took the time to

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Speaker 7: understand it, those that drank them and those that didn't

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Speaker 7: drink them. I think the part from the governor's side is,

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Speaker 7: I don't know how involved we never felt, like, you know,

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Speaker 7: the governor was very involved in learning about this process

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Speaker 7: or trying to understand it or understand where the bill

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Speaker 7: was coming from. So when he made the decision on

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Speaker 7: behalf of the little hiot winds by just taking his

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Speaker 7: pen and crossing out fifteen lines of law, that was

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Speaker 7: written in by you know, the people we elected. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's it. That's a hard one. That's a hard one

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Speaker 7: to understand it. And nobody's really clear why. And I

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Speaker 7: think that's that's that's the that's the harder part is

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Speaker 7: is we don't really have a clear explanation.

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's the frustrating. Give me a reason why,

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Speaker 2: and you're thinking and and it tends me because I

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Speaker 2: know Mike do Wan. I have talked to him many

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Speaker 2: times and seems like a you know, a guy who's

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Speaker 2: a little bit more moderate, willing to listen, but in

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Speaker 2: this case, his mind and his mind's been made it

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Speaker 2: for years. I remember when hell I was on at night,

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Speaker 2: I'd have him on as Attorney General when he was

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Speaker 2: Attorney general, and he's just got this thing about marijuana.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to change a man's mind. But it's

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Speaker 2: unfortunate that one person has that kind of power because

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Speaker 2: this means a whole bunch of jobs have been lost

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Speaker 2: and and for some companies I may have to shut

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Speaker 2: down entirely because the growth of Tha beverages was exceeding

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Speaker 2: and offsetting the loss and craft beer. Do you find

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Speaker 2: that to be true? At fifty West.

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Speaker 7: Oh I mean we were our production. I've been put

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Speaker 7: into perspective. You know, we would have manufactured more THHC

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Speaker 7: beverages this year than we would craft beer. And we're

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Speaker 7: the probably between the third and fifth largest brewer in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 7: I mean that it's a major, major driver. And the

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Speaker 7: other breweries throughout the state or feeling the same thing.

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Speaker 7: It was an opportunity that was taken away. That is

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Speaker 7: gonna affect jobs, it is going to affect revenue from

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Speaker 7: the state, and yeah, it's it's very confusing, and yeah,

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Speaker 7: I guess we just we got we're working on.

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Speaker 1: There is a path here, Okay, there is There is.

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Speaker 2: The ability to overturn this, all right, So let's get

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Speaker 2: into that. I just had Friday, and I've had them

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Speaker 2: many times. Of course. The author of fifty six Senate

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Speaker 2: Bill fifty six Steve Huffman from Tip City, and he

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Speaker 2: was a little bit more optimistic as well, from a

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Speaker 2: legislative standpoint, but from a business owner who's really, you know,

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Speaker 2: face it right now, having to get rid of all

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Speaker 2: this product you can't manufacture at more in the state

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Speaker 2: of Ohio. Where do you see the optimism here? Give

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Speaker 2: me a glass half full stuff. I'm gonna put some

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Speaker 2: pressure on Steve here. So Steve wrote the bill.

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Speaker 7: There are the votes in the House right now to

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Speaker 7: overturn this, it has to be brought by the Speaker,

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Speaker 7: Matt Huffman. Matt doesn't have the opportunity to bring it

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Speaker 7: until the Senate votes on it. And it's pretty apparent

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Speaker 7: that there's also the votes in the Senate. We've talked

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Speaker 7: to Steve several times. His initial concern was there weren't

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Speaker 7: the votes in the House. Then the vote in the

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Speaker 7: House showed up. Now we said, Steve, the votes in

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Speaker 7: the House are there, bring this up to the Senate.

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Speaker 7: Let's get it done it And now Steve's saying, well,

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Speaker 7: we'd have to write some different laws.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we can get this through.

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Speaker 7: So what we got to figure out is how do

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Speaker 7: we put the pressure on our Senate president and our

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Speaker 7: Speaker of the House to bring this to vote.

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Speaker 1: Because if they bring it to.

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Speaker 7: Vote, the votes exist within the people that we elected

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Speaker 7: overturn this. And I've heard that directly from them. We

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Speaker 7: are we know it's there. So our question right now is, hey,

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Speaker 7: let's bring.

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Speaker 3: It to a vote.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if you bring it to vote and they

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Speaker 7: vote it down. Great, But why are we not bringing

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Speaker 7: this to vote is the real question right now. And

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Speaker 7: Steve has a lot of power because he wrote the bill.

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Speaker 7: We're a little confused why he keeps flopping on you

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Speaker 7: know the reason we're not bringing it to vote?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know the Attorney General is involve The

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Speaker 2: AG's office was involved in this as well, and trying

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Speaker 2: to get a file a response I think to the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court case as well. I think the concern is

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Speaker 2: from maybe not Steve, and I don't want to put

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Speaker 2: words in his mouth, but the concern was that, Okay,

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Speaker 2: the governor's override didn't take back for ninety days, so

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Speaker 2: you shut down. They should be shut down on March nineteenth,

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Speaker 2: and then it can reopen if they were the case

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Speaker 2: June tenth, but then you'd have to shut down back

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Speaker 2: in November when the federal law kicks in. I wonder

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Speaker 2: how many lawmakers are like, well, it's a moot point anyway,

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Speaker 2: because you're going to reopen just to shut down when

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Speaker 2: the federal law kicks in.

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Speaker 7: Well, but you're having the same fight federally, and we

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Speaker 7: anticipate that that's going to get extended. If you look

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Speaker 7: at the bill that they wrote, they clearly documented in

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Speaker 7: that bill guidelines for for when it reopens. So in

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Speaker 7: the in the meantime, why are you shutting out all

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Speaker 7: the businesses in Ohio and giving us an opportunity? Right,

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Speaker 7: you're just behind well, I mean you shut our manufacturing down.

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Speaker 7: Why did you shut our manufacturing down? If that's the case,

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Speaker 7: let us open our manufacturing back up. Uh, you're you're

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Speaker 7: you're putting us behind everybody else. And and this is

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Speaker 7: not something that that takes someone to reopen. I mean

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Speaker 7: that they their their concern has to do with the

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Speaker 7: guidelines that that are put into place, that that's going

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Speaker 7: to be governed by the Director of Cannabis Control. We've

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Speaker 7: been we've been monitored by the Department of Agriculture, and

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Speaker 7: all of the demands from the Department of Control that

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Speaker 7: they were asking, all of those demands were being met

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Speaker 7: by the Department Agriculture. So just take take the guidelines

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Speaker 7: that they were using and apply it and have cannabis

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Speaker 7: control hands.

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Speaker 2: Well, that would make sense, Bobby, that's the problem. That's

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Speaker 2: the same that you and me and someone listening go, well,

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Speaker 2: that's a sensible thing. Let's just wait to see what

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Speaker 2: the Feds do. And you know, is is ten months

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Speaker 2: really going to be that big a deal? Probably not.

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Speaker 2: But Bobby's ladders here. He's the founder of fifty West Brewing,

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Speaker 2: you know, talking about the fallout from the THC Beverage

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Speaker 2: band which he had. Of course, all these business is

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Speaker 2: really hard because we had March Madness. The bars were packed.

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Speaker 2: People want to watch basketball and enjoy t TCH beverage

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Speaker 2: is the fastest growing consumer drink segment there when it

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Speaker 2: comes to intoxicating beverages not alcohol. But have to drive

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Speaker 2: THC and we can't sell in Ohio, but other states can't.

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Speaker 2: How many other states, by the way, besides Kentucky can

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Speaker 2: can sell this legally.

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01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 7: I mean it's federally legal. So there's a few that don't.

1501
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 7: California doesn't. A lot of times in the states that

1502
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 7: that don't allow. It has to do with marijuana's blocking

1503
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 7: on gotcha. So but you know, I would say it's

1504
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 7: it's probably it's great. It's greater than half the states

1505
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 7: in the United States.

1506
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 2: We don't want any parties we want we're Ohio and

1507
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: we want no part of it.

1508
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, everybody bordering us.

1509
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 3: Right, you're good, you can over there.

1510
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: So if you live in Cincinnati, if you live in Toledo,

1511
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 2: you go ahead, drive over the border, have some drink.

1512
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 2: You can drink and drive more. Presumably that's not a

1513
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 2: problem with the THC beverage. That that's a problem right there.

1514
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 2: All right, So the fast track here then is what

1515
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 2: so give me, give me like the sunshine. This goes

1516
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 2: on and eventually the federal government comes to their senses.

1517
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how much sense they have with the

1518
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 2: shutdowns and everything else. But let's say presumably they have

1519
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 2: some sense, Bobby Slattery, and they go, okay, you know what,

1520
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 2: You're right. The TCH beverages, they're fine. People want it.

1521
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 2: It's a growing sector. No one's dying, you know, no

1522
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,839
Speaker 2: one's passing out. It's not like, you know, they're poison

1523
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 2: that we're selling or something like that. It's regulated. All

1524
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: is good, that's the hope. Anyway, give me some odds

1525
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 2: on this thing.

1526
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm I'm not an odds maker. What I

1527
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 7: can tell you is there is there is a real

1528
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,560
Speaker 7: will amongst the people that have There's a lot of

1529
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 7: people out there that stop drinking alcohol, that turn to

1530
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 7: these as sort of an alternative, kind of a step

1531
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 7: between an na beverage and drinking alcohol.

1532
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they really care.

1533
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 7: There's a lot of people that care about the fundamentals

1534
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 7: of how me to override you have that. And I

1535
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 7: would tell you there's a lot of businesses out there

1536
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 7: that the worst thing and I'm going to steal some

1537
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 7: words out of out of the you know, the founder

1538
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 7: of Jackie O's art O Strike, he said this, you

1539
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 7: know the other day, but the worst thing you have

1540
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 7: to do as a business owner is light people off.

1541
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 2: It's it's literally horrible.

1542
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 7: You don't want to have to do that, right, So

1543
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 7: all of us are now faced with that, we're being

1544
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 7: faced with that.

1545
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: And when you face people with that, they're gonna fight.

1546
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 3: We're not.

1547
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 7: This is this is, this is not you know, they

1548
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 7: got us, they got us pinned up against the wall.

1549
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 7: They you know, they got our hands against our throat.

1550
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 7: We're going to fight back. And so I think you're

1551
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,560
Speaker 7: gonna see that from all these businesses coming up, and

1552
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 7: you're gonna see the people that are disappointed with their drinks.

1553
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 7: And I think in the next week, you know, you're

1554
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 7: that pressure is going to get applied to you know,

1555
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 7: our our politicians to say, hey, this is really going

1556
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 7: to affect people in Ohio, and our hope is is

1557
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 7: that let's just bring it to vote. Let's bring bring it,

1558
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 7: bring it to vote in the House of the Senate

1559
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 7: for an overturn. They spent, they wrote a great bill.

1560
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 7: The governor fundamentally changed their bill. You know, do they

1561
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 7: have the will to to to come back and say, hey, no,

1562
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 7: that that's not what we wanted. So that's our hope,

1563
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 7: that's what we're going to be fighting for, and I

1564
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 7: think it's going to be a fun couple of weeks.

1565
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,520
Speaker 2: Well, you also have eight months to convince the federal representatives,

1566
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 2: Senate and the members of the House that this is

1567
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 2: a good thing people wanted, they consume it, and and

1568
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 2: you've got time to fight that. I think the problem

1569
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 2: with you guys was you had this petition drive, but

1570
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 2: you didn't have that long to get the necessary signatures

1571
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 2: to send this to the AG's office. So it failed

1572
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: simply because I think the clock ran out and you

1573
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: had all those weeks and weeks and weeks of very

1574
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 2: cold weather, so people aren't going out to begin with.

1575
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 7: Well, you know, that's also the referendums was a little

1576
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 7: bit of a different you know. That was that was

1577
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 7: suggesting the market completely open. Back in the time, you know,

1578
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 7: no age gating.

1579
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: No, they were saying, hey, throw Central fifty six out.

1580
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 7: I think we liked Centel fifty six here in Ohio,

1581
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 7: and we're in favor of it, you know, the beverage

1582
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 7: manufacturers are. And so that's why the referendum was a

1583
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 7: little tricky. That was another piece to it. That that

1584
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 7: that hurt with getting signatures was just that, you know,

1585
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 7: it was It wasn't all orenough scenario. What we're saying is,

1586
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 7: let's stick with the rules and regulations that are you know,

1587
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 7: we want to regulated market.

1588
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: He wrote a regulated market. Let's let's abide by it.

1589
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 7: But let's abide by the one that was sent to

1590
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 7: the governor, not the one that he's made the decision on.

1591
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 2: The in eight months, so let me ask you, we're

1592
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 2: almost out of time here, Bobby. In eight months, though,

1593
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 2: can you flip a switch and start if the Feds

1594
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: are legalized you or say it's okay, can you just

1595
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: flip a switch and start production. Ramp that up, and

1596
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 2: in the next eight months roughly what happens are those jobs.

1597
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: No, if the Fed, you know, change the thing November.

1598
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: It's illegal in Ohio.

1599
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 3: It's this is legal federally.

1600
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 2: Right now, isn't. And that's the FED to say, put

1601
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: their foot there.

1602
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 7: Governor Dwan has decided to make it illegal in Ohio.

1603
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 7: So and if and you know, we're working on the

1604
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 7: federal front right now. I'm not coming from a lot

1605
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 7: of different states to change that. And so that's going

1606
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 7: to get changed. But Ohio is going to be good

1607
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 7: because our governor, you know, changed it. So that's that's

1608
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 7: where we're staying.

1609
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got to lean on him more. I

1610
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 2: get the nuance there. I just wonder how many jobs

1611
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 2: are going to be lost because you can't keep people

1612
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: on who aren't producing what they were hired doing for long.

1613
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can't sit around for eight months. So I

1614
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 7: think that that that's that's why we're asking. We're looking

1615
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 7: at you. I gotcha the Speaker of the House and

1616
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 7: the Senate President to say, hey, guys, you know, let's

1617
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 7: let's let's put the bill for it that you guys

1618
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 7: voting on and sent it.

1619
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 2: I can't say I like THC, but not in the

1620
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 2: liquid form. It's fine. It's okay. I'd rather have a

1621
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 2: beer or a bourbon. That's my thing. But you know

1622
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 2: what I hate when government oversteps and tells otherwise hardworking,

1623
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 2: god fearing, tax paying good citizens what they can and

1624
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 2: can't drink or put in their body. It's not up

1625
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 2: to you, it's up to me. Provided there's testing, provided

1626
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 2: there's health department oversight, and those other things that need

1627
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 2: to be regulated but not banned. That's an entirely different thing.

1628
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 2: Bobby Slattery, thanks for the time over at fifty West, brother,

1629
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: I appreciate you the best. Yeah, keep me in the

1630
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 2: loop on us. I want to keep fighting this one

1631
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: for sure. All right, takes coming, gotcha, take care of

1632
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 2: my man. I got to get a news update in

1633
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 2: here next and then we'll talk Red's baseball ahead on

1634
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 2: seven hundred W Scott Some show Monday morning, seven hundred WLW.

1635
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 2: And we do this every Monday during Red Sea and

1636
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 2: that would be our buddy Jeff Carr with Locked on Reds.

1637
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: The Reds break camp tomorrow before heading back home for

1638
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 2: opening Day. And camp is not the only thing broken.

1639
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 2: We had this just glod of pitchers and all of

1640
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 2: a sudden, now it's pretty thin Jeff, welcome back.

1641
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 3: How we doing, Sony? The Reds always test their depths.

1642
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how much they've got of it, they

1643
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 3: use it all baby.

1644
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, before the season even starts. So Nick Lidolo is pitching,

1645
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 2: everything's going good, and then all of a sudden, it's not.

1646
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 2: Now We've got a second pitcher down with a blister.

1647
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 2: And it's nothing new. He's battlest his entire career. He

1648
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: said this spring he was taking some preventative measures. But

1649
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: you know, if those measures don't hold the March game,

1650
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: what are the realistic options for the Reds to manage

1651
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 2: this through one hundred and sixty two games.

1652
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 3: Well, and I think that there is a special circumstance

1653
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 3: with this because Arizona was something close to Mercury as

1654
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 3: far as the temperature goes. This past week, they were

1655
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 3: moving games around, pushing huntil later in the day, and

1656
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 3: so I think that there was just something to it

1657
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 3: that pushing too hard, too fast, or something like that.

1658
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 3: But still, you're right, we're talking about a guy that

1659
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,959
Speaker 3: there's been one problem in his career and he continues

1660
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 3: to face that one problem. Begin news is that all

1661
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 3: reports indicate that they caught it before it got too bad.

1662
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 3: It did not rip on its own. They were able

1663
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 3: to treat it and all that other stuff after the

1664
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 3: game was over. And so that's exactly what happened with

1665
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 3: Brady Singer, and all reports indicate that he is not

1666
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 3: going to miss any time he's supposed to make his

1667
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 3: first start. Brady Singer is for the third game of

1668
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 3: the season. I am hopeful that that's what we hear

1669
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 3: with Nicolodolo, although we know that we're talking about two

1670
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 3: different pictures when it comes to blusters in this case.

1671
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 3: But I still think that they caught this early enough.

1672
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 3: And I think that the body language of Nickelodola was key.

1673
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: Whenever he was coming off the mound, you could see

1674
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,839
Speaker 3: that he was mad. He wasn't dejected or depressed or drained.

1675
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 3: It was that he was angry, almost as if it's

1676
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 3: like here we go again. But I don't think that

1677
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 3: this is the case of like, Okay, he's gonna miss

1678
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 3: twenty three days like he did with his last blister

1679
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 3: issue last year.

1680
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we know this is a pattern for him.

1681
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 2: And the question now is just a skip a star situation?

1682
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: What are we talking an idea?

1683
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 3: I think that ultimately they probably will simply because there's

1684
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 3: not one more tune up that they can play with,

1685
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 3: and maybe they give him an extra bullpen session or

1686
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 3: something like that on the side here to make sure

1687
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 3: that everything holds up in normal weather for this time

1688
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 3: of year, for the place that he is used to

1689
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 3: being at, rather than you know, arid, dry condition. So

1690
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 3: I think that ultimately they probably will skip that first

1691
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 3: start against Boston and then we'll see him when the

1692
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 3: Red's hit the road.

1693
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 2: Okay, good, that makes sense. So he misses a little time.

1694
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 2: Who steps in Louder Burns, Williamson, what are we looking at?

1695
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 3: I think it probably just kind of crunch this rotation up.

1696
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 3: I think that you would be fine to move Brady

1697
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 3: Singer into the second game of the Boston Red Sox series,

1698
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 3: and then you would see redt Louder in the final

1699
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 3: game on Sunday and then on Pittsburgh. I wonder a

1700
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 3: little bit because they'll add that bullpen spot or well,

1701
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 3: they won't put him on the IL, I don't think,

1702
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,560
Speaker 3: because he'd only miss one start, but well, you know,

1703
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 3: so they would play around with the roster a little bit.

1704
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 3: Then you might have that extra bullpen guy, and so

1705
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 3: you might see Chase Burns start but only throw three

1706
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 3: or four innings against the Pirates in the fifth game

1707
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 3: of the year.

1708
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 2: Yea, and Tito said already that we'd be revisiting that

1709
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 2: situation within a couple of weeks, you know, and so

1710
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 2: trying to figure out who emerges as a clear number four.

1711
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 2: Was that made any more evident in this last week

1712
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 2: full week of play in Goodyear.

1713
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 3: I think that Brandon Williamson is really separating himself. He

1714
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 3: has had a nice spring, and while I've tried to

1715
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 3: take it with a grain of salt, it just seems

1716
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,560
Speaker 3: like every time he goes out there he has a

1717
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 3: good outing, and his most recent outing he pitched five

1718
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,560
Speaker 3: plus innings, So it kind of looks like he is

1719
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 3: ready to go and be relied on. And if you

1720
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 3: are going to see Nickelodella miss more than one start,

1721
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 3: I think you can work Chase Burns up in that

1722
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 3: first start, maybe even the second start. He goes five

1723
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 3: innings and then you're ready to turn him loose. But

1724
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 3: I think that the Reds are in any better situation

1725
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 3: here than you know. We as Reds fans, we love

1726
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 3: to take that pessimistic view, and whenever we heard six

1727
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 3: starting pitchers for five spots. We're like, well, you know

1728
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,919
Speaker 3: that old adage when you say you got two quarterbacks,

1729
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: you don't really have a quarterback. Do you have six

1730
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 3: starting pitchers? I mean, you don't have any And I

1731
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 3: don't think that's the case here. And I was happy

1732
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 3: to hear that their plan for the whole piggyback starter

1733
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 3: situation was not going to be something that extended far

1734
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 3: into the season, because that would be the thing that

1735
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 3: I'd say, Okay, this is a bad idea, because you

1736
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 3: are going to tax your bullpen, you are going to

1737
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 3: to put some weird stress on these young starting pitchers.

1738
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 3: But the quick hook, as it were, on this plan

1739
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 3: is the key too. Yeah.

1740
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's Jeff Carr. So the Car Show, Baby and

1741
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 2: Lockdown Reds is the podcast last weekend of full play.

1742
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 2: I think they break we break camp tomorrow and then

1743
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 2: head back for Thursday. Opening day will be live at

1744
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 2: Holy Girl Banks is always starting at nine o'clock, Me,

1745
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 2: Moegger and everybody, everybody, everybody up until game time. So

1746
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: hundred Green is out to at least July. Pretty huge

1747
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 2: hole there, obviously, with your ace going down and trying

1748
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 2: to hold it together. Andrew Abbott's getting the started an

1749
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 2: opening day. Is he ready to go? Does he have

1750
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 2: any blisters? Any headache? Is he like cramping? What's is he? Okay?

1751
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 3: All reports indicated he is ready to go, and his

1752
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 3: most recent start, he got his pitch count up really nicely.

1753
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 3: And I know that a lot of folks continue to

1754
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 3: belabor the statistics and I don't think they will have

1755
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 3: too many worries after his opening day start.

1756
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 2: Okay, good, that's fingers crossed hopefully to go. We know

1757
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 2: you mentioned Brady Singer dodge a blister scare of his own.

1758
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: How important is it for him to stay healthy this year?

1759
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 3: He is the rock in the middle of the reservation

1760
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 3: mate thirty two starts last year, first treads start to

1761
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 3: make thirty two starts since the Red Side guy's name,

1762
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 3: Louis Castillo and Tyler Malley shown up for him every

1763
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 3: fifth day, so it's been a little bit there and

1764
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 3: I continue to expect him to do that again, and

1765
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 3: it sort of earmarked the top four. And as much

1766
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 3: as we are seeing you know, Hunter Green missing half

1767
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 3: the season or more and Nicolodolo is already dealing with

1768
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 3: blister issues, this whole top four thing is getting. It's

1769
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 3: taken its licks early, but I'd love to see one

1770
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty starts from the top four, which that

1771
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 3: just means each guy needs to average thirty. And if

1772
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 3: you take probably you know, fifteen away from Hunter Green,

1773
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 3: it's likely that they missed that one hundred and twenty mark.

1774
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 3: But Brady Singer is going to be that guy that

1775
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 3: you can rely on to kind of lift everybody else

1776
01:26:58,400 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 3: up in that group.

1777
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Cayleen Ferguson is going to start on the el all.

1778
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 2: He's got a MRI coming up this week, I think Wednesday.

1779
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 2: Back here in Cincinnati, bullpen supposed to be a big

1780
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 2: strength after the rebuild this offseason. How much losing him

1781
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 2: does that hurt? To calculus here?

1782
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 3: It's not as bad as you would think in years past,

1783
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 3: because the year the Reds saw their biggest weakness in

1784
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 3: the bullpen being their lefties, and when you know, last year,

1785
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 3: for the much of the year, it was just Brent

1786
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 3: Suitor and he wasn't really even a lefty specialist. He

1787
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 3: was more of a long relief specialist. The Reds needed

1788
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 3: to upgrade that and so that's why they signed him.

1789
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 3: They traded for brock birth and they kept Sam maul

1790
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 3: where a lot of people wondered if they might cut him. Well,

1791
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 3: they're looking like geniuses for keeping him now because he's

1792
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 3: going to be able to backfill Caleb Ferguson's the spot

1793
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 3: at least in the short term. And Sam Maull's actually

1794
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,560
Speaker 3: looked good this spring, where last year he was not

1795
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 3: good at all in the spring or in the regular season.

1796
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 3: He showed up the camp out of shape. This year

1797
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,919
Speaker 3: he's completely different. It looks like he was super focused.

1798
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 3: All of his appearances have looked really well. Albeit he's

1799
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 3: still had a little bit of control, but every pitcher

1800
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 3: kind of goes through that during spring training, and so

1801
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 3: I expect him to at least fill in in a

1802
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 3: way that the Reds won't necessarily miss Caleb Ferguson as much.

1803
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 3: But whenever Caleb Ferguson returns, then we will see the

1804
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:23,799
Speaker 3: sailing of the bullets.

1805
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Sam mall also made the team, and Tito talked

1806
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 2: about his stuff looking a lot better late in camp.

1807
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 2: Is he a legitimate back end weapon or is he

1808
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 2: is he a roster filler? While Ferguson recovers.

1809
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 3: Honestly, if he could pitch like he pitched in twenty

1810
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 3: twenty four. He could be a legitimate weapon. He was

1811
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 3: a guy that was super good at limiting opponents whenever

1812
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 3: he came in. I kind of had this stet that

1813
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 3: I never really came up with a good name for

1814
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 3: a very relief pitcher that came in, didn't allow base

1815
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 3: rounder and got at least one strikeout and Sam Mall led.

1816
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 3: That was second in the team to Alexis Diaz that year.

1817
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 3: But I mean, I think a lot of people would

1818
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:01,560
Speaker 3: have been surprised by that.

1819
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what we need. We need We need

1820
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 2: another statistic in baseball. We need a new plan every year.

1821
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 3: I looked at the long list and I'm like, flony,

1822
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 3: there's there's.

1823
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 2: Not enoay, there's not enough data. More I demand, I

1824
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 2: demand more data. He is Jeff Carr with lockdown, right,

1825
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 2: all right. So that's the pitching situation which has been

1826
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 2: pretty frightening here in the last couple of weeks, with

1827
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 2: the injuries, the blisters, of course, losing your your opening

1828
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 2: day ace, Caleb bur Ferguson on the bullpen. What can

1829
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 2: make up for that and cover a lot of problems there?

1830
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 2: If indeed we have problems would be, of course, the

1831
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 2: position player. So let's talk lineup. Matt McClain has had

1832
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 2: one of the best off spriensive offensive springs in all

1833
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 2: of baseball, I mean all the major leagues. Is it

1834
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 2: real this time?

1835
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 3: I think that there are elements to it that are real.

1836
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 3: I'm not going to expect him to hit over three

1837
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 3: hundred for the season, but there's a very key thing

1838
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 3: that he has done this spring that he just hasn't

1839
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 3: done so far in his two year career, and that

1840
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 3: is he has cut his chase rate almost I mean

1841
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 3: almost by ten percent. His career chase rate is at

1842
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 3: twenty seven percent and this year, or sorry, twenty five percent.

1843
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 3: And this spring he only swung it pitches outside the

1844
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 3: strike zone at a rate of seventeen percent. So his

1845
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 3: plate discipline is up, his eye is better, He's seeing

1846
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 3: the ball really well. Now there's some other stats, like

1847
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 3: when it comes to his luck and things like that

1848
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 3: that would say that, well, a five twenty six batting

1849
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 3: average is a little high. It's a little lucky, and

1850
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 3: whenever you make more hits than outs, I think most

1851
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,560
Speaker 3: people would agree with that. But at the end of

1852
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 3: the day, I am buying his plate discipline, and I'm

1853
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 3: buying his approach the way that he is able to

1854
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 3: kind of stay back on his back foot and wait

1855
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 3: on that breaking ball that's low and away, put his

1856
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 3: bat on it and just poking in the right field

1857
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 3: for a single and move along. He has now covered

1858
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 3: the hole in his swing that pitchers knew about last

1859
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 3: year are going to have to regain plan for him.

1860
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 3: And while they do that, I think Matt McLean's going

1861
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 3: to be producing quite a bit for the rest.

1862
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 2: Okay, good, Yeah, and he's it looked incredible so far

1863
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 2: as it has for Ellie. He just continues to do

1864
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 2: Ellie like things. He's healthy, he looks good.

1865
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 3: I mean, we saw a couple of different situations in

1866
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 3: the spring where he either walks where he gets a

1867
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 3: single and then you blink and he's on third. And

1868
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 3: that's exactly what we need from him in games where

1869
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 3: he might not have his best stuff with the bat,

1870
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 3: as long as his legs can carry him forward. He's

1871
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 3: a five tool guy. Yeah, you know, if all five

1872
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 3: of those tools are working like we've seen the spring,

1873
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 3: then we are going to see the superstar that we

1874
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 3: know that he can be.

1875
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 2: Gotcha Noelvie Marti had some some shaky moments in right

1876
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 2: field defensively, Tito said he made the club for sure.

1877
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 2: So what's your honest assessment. Who's watched a lot of

1878
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 2: spring training honest as seven of Noelvie Marti as an

1879
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 2: everyday player for the season starting Thursday.

1880
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 3: You know, like the old cartoons or something where somebody

1881
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 3: he's like trying to figure something out and so they

1882
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 3: hold up a big spyglass to something. I'm still holding

1883
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 3: up a big spyglass to Noelvi Marte when he's fielding

1884
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 3: right now. I got to figure out what that looks like.

1885
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 3: Because obviously he had the best play of the year

1886
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 3: last year for the Reds. But at the same time,

1887
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 3: we saw plenty of plays where he's kind of run

1888
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 3: around in the outfield like bugs bunny, trying to find

1889
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 3: a baseball, and you don't want to see that on

1890
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 3: a regular basis. You want to see guys taking good routes.

1891
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 3: You want to see him putting himself in an easy

1892
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 3: position to make a play, and I don't know that

1893
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 3: we really saw that this spring. So I hope that

1894
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 3: he acquires that rather quickly because this outfield it seems

1895
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 3: interesting because there were some nice performances from guys this year,

1896
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 3: But I don't necessarily know that I buy how much

1897
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,560
Speaker 3: this outfield or how good this outfield has looked in

1898
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 3: spring training. I've got to see that. That's the one

1899
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 3: thing that I've remarked for the season that I'm like,

1900
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 3: I got to see it to believe it. And I

1901
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 3: got to see his glove working believe okay.

1902
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 2: And then also the bench too, love the fact that

1903
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 2: they resigned to a Vigno Platinum glove catcher send Multilegit.

1904
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 2: That's awesome, Will Benson. Obviously, Nathaniel Low who made the

1905
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 2: club despite a lot of personal trauma during spring training,

1906
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 2: but he still showed up.

1907
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 3: You know, Nick Kral must be living right because for

1908
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 3: NATHANIELO to be available for nothing, and that's what the

1909
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 3: Reds got him for was nothing, and he's going to

1910
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 3: be a key part of this team for this year

1911
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 3: because I think that he's going to bounce back in

1912
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 3: a big way. He's a guy that his career has

1913
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 3: been good. Last year was not, and so if he

1914
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 3: can just get back to what the back of his

1915
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 3: baseball card says, then he is going to be an

1916
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 3: asset for the Reds. And how many times have we

1917
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 3: been able to say that for the Reds in these

1918
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 3: past couple of years. So many young guys trying to

1919
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 3: make their way in the major leagues and they don't

1920
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 3: have a back of the baseball card. NATHANIELO does and

1921
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 3: we know what he can bring to the field. Good

1922
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 3: on base guy, solid line drive power. He's everything that

1923
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 3: Nick Kral says he wants a hitter is. Nick Carl

1924
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 3: loves to tell us how much he loves the life

1925
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 3: a line drive hitter. That's so Nathaniel is. And so

1926
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 3: he's gonna play for base BDH but also be pinch

1927
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 3: hit extraoreding air for the Reds from the left side

1928
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 3: of the plate. And I think he's gonna be a

1929
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 3: weapon that the Reds can use in multiple spots.

1930
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 2: Okay, good should be interesting. Ready to play some ball. Sunday,

1931
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 2: we got a little taste of what summer's like for

1932
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 2: like twenty I felt like you're in Florida for twenty

1933
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 2: four hours and then back to reality. But the forecast

1934
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 2: looks good so far. To get this one in and

1935
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 2: he is Jeff Carr with Lockdown Reds this Morning on

1936
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW all the best, buddy, Thanks for coming

1937
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 2: in this morning, and I'm ready for some baseball, for sure.

1938
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 3: It's funny. Same here, man. I can't wait. Just a

1939
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,759
Speaker 3: few days left. The games will count, It'll be fine.

1940
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 3: Can't wait. Go back all right.

1941
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 2: We got pictures going down. We got warm weather for

1942
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 2: twenty four hours, now back to what feels like the

1943
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 2: deep freeze. We've got a crisis, Iran. We're pulling out. No, no,

1944
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 2: we're doubling down. And we've got the DHS funding stop

1945
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 2: and the partial government shutdown, meaning there's long lines and

1946
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 2: a lot of airports in the country right now. We

1947
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 2: got Chuck Norris died on Friday for crying out loud.

1948
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 2: We got a lot of stress. I'm speaking of stress.

1949
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 2: Cunningham's coming up in minutes. But you know what we

1950
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 2: you know we need, we need baseball and you'll have

1951
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 2: it here Thursday, Live It All begins new on the

1952
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 2: Home of the Red seven hundred WWD, Cincinnati