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Speaker 1: Good morning, John.

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Speaker 2: I've watched both The Fall of Minneapolis and to Carry

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Speaker 2: US State, and I am waiting for the third one.

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Speaker 1: Whoever is going to do it.

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Speaker 2: That covers the rampant fraud and brings that to light

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Speaker 2: for the rest of the people not listening to your show.

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Speaker 1: Great job as always, Thanks Pike.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually we're going to be tackling that a little

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Speaker 3: bit later on this hour, coming up just after eight

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Speaker 3: thirty this morning. Ryan Wilson has a fantastic piece up

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Speaker 3: at Alpha News.

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Speaker 1: Enough is Enough Time to stop the fraud.

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Speaker 3: He's the chair of the Minnesota chapter of the America

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Speaker 3: First Policy Institute.

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Speaker 1: Also ran for state auditor back.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, and here on Twin Cities News

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Speaker 3: Talk from the sixty five to one carpet Next Day

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Speaker 3: Install Studios. I think that current guest in studio, Representative

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Speaker 3: Walter Hudson cand agree with me that, boy, it would

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Speaker 3: have been great to have Ryan Wilson as their state auditor.

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Speaker 4: Huh oh, yeah, somebody who's actually going to look at

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Speaker 4: the numbers and who cares whether or not they add up.

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Speaker 5: That would have been fantastic.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting that she brings up the necessity

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Speaker 4: for a third documentary that covers the fraud. Let me

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Speaker 4: just say, stay tuned, Okay, it's good to know. It's incredible.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: I've said this many times on the show, use this example,

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Speaker 3: but it just seems like it becomes increasingly relevant.

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Speaker 1: Every week that goes by.

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Speaker 3: But I remember at the last station I was at

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Speaker 1: What would that be like?

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Speaker 3: And that I mean, honestly, it pales in comparison to what,

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Speaker 3: in my view, those years of the DFL trifecta have

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Speaker 3: just all on the trifecta, but the major already in

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Speaker 3: and even the potential And I know I'm going on here,

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Speaker 3: covering yesterday the potential corruption for lack of a better

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Speaker 1: County and Lonely Highway theory.

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Speaker 3: It's like, well, how many other Democrats have tried to

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Speaker 1: But I'll hand it over to Yeah.

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Speaker 5: That Trifecta was the fuel.

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Speaker 4: It was the gas that they poured on a fire

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Speaker 4: that they had already lit. I mean, all this stuff

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Speaker 4: Next year paid family medical leave hits. And it's funny,

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Speaker 4: to do that to seasonal employees, are they? And I'm like, listen,

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Speaker 5: Amount of time. It applies to you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's they made zero exceptions, zero carve outs. It

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Speaker 3: Well, and look at the house stabilization services. I mean

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Speaker 3: Hey, we could do this thing and people would like

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Speaker 1: I'll send our attention back to downtown.

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Speaker 3: I want to get to a couple of talkbacks from

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Speaker 3: the iHeart Radio app brought to you by Lindahl Realty,

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Speaker 3: because one of these actually it fits it nicely with

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Speaker 2: Good morning again, John.

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Speaker 5: Question for Walter.

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Speaker 2: If Minnesota takes Minneapolis, doesn't that in and of itself

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Speaker 3: that too, Walter. And then I'll let you respond of

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Speaker 3: you know, how important is it for Minneapolis to survive

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Speaker 3: And again that's you know, you can start off with

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, let me clarify what I mean

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Speaker 4: But guess what the State Police and the Special Prosecutor

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Speaker 5: That's the type of preemption that I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: So it's not that we would take over the budget

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Speaker 1: To that point, it's worth noting.

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Speaker 3: the way, we already know that the State Highway Patrol

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Speaker 1: But much like what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 3: On the national level in terms of the staunch one

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Speaker 1: This is not going to be a simple fix.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this morning, I tweeted that.

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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk taught me that you could spend your entire

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Speaker 4: And Donald Trump has taught us just recently that you

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Speaker 4: could bring peace to the Middle East, yep. And they'll

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Speaker 5: They're beyond reason.

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Speaker 4: And so the first quality you need to have if

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Speaker 3: We'll get back to more of your talkbacks and we'll

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Speaker 6: Morning.

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Speaker 1: And I love your show.

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Speaker 5: Kudos Wolter.

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Speaker 7: Keep fighting the good fight.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I think a good name or good title for the

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Speaker 7: third documentary is three strikes in their hot.

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Speaker 2: Hell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, loupreciate your comments.

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Speaker 1: Stay representative.

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Speaker 3: Walter Hudson joins us in the sixty five to one

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Speaker 3: My name is John Justice, and you know, we got

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Speaker 3: this morning, Walter, I think it's in direct proportion with

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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk. They have such a profound inquisition, ideological and

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Speaker 4: moral inquisition within their ranks. We think we're suppressed, We

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Speaker 4: think our speech is suppressed. Imagine being a semi normal,

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Speaker 4: semi saying democrat. And I know this from talking to

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Speaker 4: my own colleagues and the legislature. Look at you on

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Speaker 4: that side, Yes, exactly, they can't peek their head above

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Speaker 4: the trench line to say anything remotely normal, or they're

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Speaker 4: going to be under the bus. That is the environment

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Speaker 4: that they've created, a repressive, suppressive, oppressive environment. Ironically, since

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Speaker 4: those are the things they're always complaining about.

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Speaker 3: I know I've kept you. You got to get back

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Speaker 3: to work. State Representative Walter Hudson, thank you absolutely. It

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Speaker 3: was great seeing you look forward to the next time

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Speaker 3: that we can chat.

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Speaker 5: Make sounds good.

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: Coming up Ryan Wilson, chair of the Minnesota chapter of

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Speaker 3: the American First Policy Institute, and again he was the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two Republican candidate for state Auditor.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier to you, bet he's not in that.

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Speaker 3: Position now, but he is going to be in studio

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Speaker 3: next talking about his latest editorial in Alpha News. Enough

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Speaker 3: is enough, It's time to stop the fraud. It's next

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Speaker 7: Good morning John. Sorry about the lack of sleep. Well

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Speaker 7: you head ay old version of Mini Leaf there in

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Speaker 7: the house. It's called the room that I had a

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Speaker 7: blast of that and he would have fell asleep.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I tried to stick to a no

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Speaker 3: alcohol during a during school night's policy for me at

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Speaker 3: home and unfortunately completely on me.

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Speaker 1: I ran out of my Mini Leaf nightgummies.

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Speaker 3: So I'll be heading over to m I N N

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Speaker 3: E L e a f dot com to get myself

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Speaker 3: a new batch. Free shipping is available there at the website. Again,

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Speaker 3: you take one before you go to bed. You drift

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Speaker 3: blissfully off to sleep, and you stay asleep throughout the

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Speaker 3: night and wake up feeling rejuvenated and refreshed. Just don't

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Speaker 3: run out like I did. Enough is enough, It's time

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Speaker 3: to stop the fraud. I think that everybody, well obviously

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Speaker 3: ninety nine point nine percent of you listening agree with that.

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Speaker 3: But that's the title of the editorial on alphanews aalphanews

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Speaker 3: dot org from Ryan Wilson from the Minnesota chapter of

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Speaker 3: the American First Policy Institute, and he joins me in

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Speaker 3: studio once again.

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Speaker 1: Good Mordon and Ryan, good morning, Great to see you.

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Speaker 3: So this had to be easy to write.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's incredible.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we were just spending time talking with Walter

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Speaker 3: Hudson about the fraud that hasn't been exposed, just sort

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Speaker 3: of the expectation of that. I fully expect that, and

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Speaker 3: we'll get into what's covered here in your piece.

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Speaker 1: But the free school meals.

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Speaker 3: I'm just waiting for an audit of that, and then

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Speaker 3: this paid family sickly that starts January first of next year.

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Speaker 3: I had an email that came in wondering Susan was

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Speaker 3: wondering if any other states have a similar plan or

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Speaker 3: are we the are we the pioneers. I don't think

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Speaker 3: either of us know if that's the case, but it

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Speaker 3: certainly doesn't align with the with the federal rules.

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Speaker 9: Correct Ryan Wilson, Oh, correct, And you know it was

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Speaker 9: you know, whether one likes or doesn't like the policy

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Speaker 9: behind it. I think there's a real question about whether

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Speaker 9: it's ready to go and ready to launch in January.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 9: I saw Representative Mike Wiener put a piece out yesterday

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Speaker 9: about this, talking about maybe we need to pause it,

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Speaker 9: maybe we need to figure out what's going on with

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Speaker 9: this before we launched another big program. We just saw

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Speaker 9: us with the Housing Stabilization Fund, right, Yeah, it launched

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Speaker 9: and it was all fraudulent basically, and they had to

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Speaker 9: shut it down. So the question is does the current

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Speaker 9: governor I have the right controls in place to prevent

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Speaker 9: this fraud?

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Speaker 1: History would say, let's say no, do we know, kind

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Speaker 1: getting a little into the weeds here.

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Speaker 3: You're not a representative in the legislature, but do we

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Speaker 3: know is there a is there a mechanism in place

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Speaker 3: wherein the legislative body could put a pause in this.

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Speaker 3: I know they were looking at that the last legislative session,

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Speaker 3: and we didn't have a special session called. But is

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Speaker 3: there a means to go and put a pause on

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Speaker 3: this if we wanted to do you know, oh, I

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Speaker 3: mean to be.

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Speaker 1: A legislative me and see that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we have a split split government right now between

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Speaker 9: rep companies and Democrats, and they'd have to decide that

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Speaker 9: that this was worth it for Minnesota's to be able

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Speaker 9: to potentially pause this to make sure that it's doing right.

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Speaker 9: Then there's a lot of policy decisions implications around that.

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Speaker 9: But this is one of something that was passed during

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Speaker 9: the Democrat trifecta in twenty twenty three ish timeframe. And

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Speaker 9: I don't believe any Republicans voted voted for this. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: and so I don't know how many safeguards are on there. Again, history,

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Speaker 9: you know, would say not many. You know, this thing's

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Speaker 9: been happening since twenty seventeen at least, right we saw

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Speaker 9: the daycare rampant daycare fraud to start with, and I

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Speaker 9: don't know if you remember that was reported on, but

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Speaker 9: I think somebody set up to fifty percent of the

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Speaker 9: daycare funds going out actually fraudulent. This is twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 9: eighteen nineteen at the start of you know, the Walls administration,

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Speaker 9: and they just attacked the Department of you know, Human

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Speaker 9: Services person that was coming out, you know, whistleblowing this

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Speaker 9: and and demonized them and how dare you say these

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Speaker 9: programs are fraud?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 9: Fast forward eight years now, I think that person's been

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Speaker 9: vindicated with all of the fraud that's happening in all these.

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Speaker 1: Programs, and take Care is coming back around. We're seeing it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 9: I think there's sixty eight centers or sixty two centers

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Speaker 9: under investigation right for take Care fraud.

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Speaker 1: And so when you were running back in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: For the for the position, like how what were your

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Speaker 3: thoughts on on on fraud potential for fraud back then?

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Speaker 3: I know we were on sort of on the on

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Speaker 3: the cusp of the of the trifecta, But how relevant

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Speaker 3: was the issue of fraud, you know, just going back

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Speaker 3: a few years compared to what we're dealing with with now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, did you see the riding on the wall

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Speaker 3: when you were running back, When you were running.

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Speaker 9: Back then, yeah, right when I got in feeding our future,

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Speaker 9: stuff started to break and nobody had heard at the time,

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Speaker 9: what is this feeding our future. You know, I'd bring

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Speaker 9: it up on the campaign trail, and nobody was covering

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Speaker 9: it at that time, right, And people hadn't heard about

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Speaker 9: it yet, and so it was a little.

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Speaker 1: It was a little premature.

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Speaker 9: I think it started off in one hundred million, and

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Speaker 9: by the time the campaign was over, it's two hundred

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Speaker 9: and fifty million. That seems a little quaint now compared

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Speaker 9: to the or up to two billion in total fraud,

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Speaker 9: I think Joe Thompson was saying the other day, and no,

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Speaker 9: we also talked ab what issues, but there's waste too, right.

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Speaker 1: We had the Southwest light rail issue.

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Speaker 9: There was a billion dollars overrun there, right, And so

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Speaker 9: Minnesota's historically have been taxed more, And there's this idea,

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Speaker 9: and I talked about this in the APP ed that

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Speaker 9: it was kind of this trade off. We were conceptually

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Speaker 9: okay with maybe paying a little bit more in tax.

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Speaker 9: It has been getting better services, getting better schools, getting

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Speaker 9: better programs. I think by any standard, people would say

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Speaker 9: that we're not getting that deal anymore, right, I mean

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Speaker 9: that money is being taken and it's not getting it

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Speaker 9: to the moms that need help or the kids that

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Speaker 9: need help. It's going to the fraudsters, and we'll see

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Speaker 9: how long people are patient or aren't willing to keep

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Speaker 9: accepting that deal in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that was the point that and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to make, and I know you bring it up.

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Speaker 3: You brought it up, you know, a moment ago, talking

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Speaker 3: about the trust of being gone in your peace. But

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Speaker 3: there's two things here. I mean, these are everything that

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Speaker 3: we've been covering on the show. These are all opportunities.

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Speaker 3: You know, never have we had a time with a

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Speaker 3: crystal clear example of what two different parties are going

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Speaker 3: to offer and also an example of what a party

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Speaker 3: has passed and the results of that. I feel as if,

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Speaker 3: and I say feel because I don't know, because I'm

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Speaker 3: not polling people or talking to enough people, but I

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Speaker 3: feel as if regardless of political party, you know, there

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Speaker 3: are certain catalysts that end up waking you up. And

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Speaker 3: when somebody feels like that their money is being wasted

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Speaker 3: tax dollars, regardless of party, it matters to them. But

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Speaker 3: there's also the angle you brought up a moment ago,

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Speaker 3: is that these services that have been found to be fraudulent,

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Speaker 3: they're supposed to be doing good within our community, within

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Speaker 3: our state, and there and they're not in crafting the

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Speaker 3: message of making people aware.

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Speaker 1: You know, is it focusing on both? Is it trying

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Speaker 1: to focus.

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Speaker 3: On one, whether it's the outreach or whether it's the

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Speaker 3: physical part of it, like sort of where does your

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Speaker 3: head land? And is this resonating with people? Are people

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Speaker 3: finding out about this fraud?

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Speaker 1: I think so.

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Speaker 9: When a recent poll was down in Minnesota that showed

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Speaker 9: two thirds of Minnesotans and we're pretty much a fifty

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Speaker 9: to fifty state Republicans and Democrats, so two thirds of Minnesotans.

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Speaker 9: That means you're getting people from all sides of the

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Speaker 9: aisle think that fraud is rampant to Minnesota, that there's

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Speaker 9: an issue with fraud in Minnesota, and so I think

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Speaker 9: it is coming to the forefront of people's minds. I

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Speaker 9: think people do realize again that you know, they've been

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Speaker 9: taking advantage of you know, that they're good nature, that

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Speaker 9: these programs are predicated on the high trust society. It's

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Speaker 9: being violated, and I think people want more controls. You know,

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Speaker 9: they're not willing to throw all the programs out. They

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Speaker 9: don't want to help their neighbor when somebody's down and

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Speaker 9: out and needs a helping hand. They want to give

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Speaker 9: it there, but what they don't want is the money

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Speaker 9: leaving the states, leaving the country being used on these

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Speaker 9: fraudulent to you know, in these fraudulent purchases by fraudsters.

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Speaker 9: And you know what we have is, you know, at

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Speaker 9: least eight years of utter lack of controls any CEO

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Speaker 9: of any business that operated that way, where the business

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Speaker 9: continued to be pilfered over and over and over again.

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Speaker 9: We'll have to step up and say this is my fault.

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Speaker 9: Something's got to change. We've got to do something different.

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Speaker 9: Can you tell me have you seen any change? Have

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Speaker 9: you seen any appetite, any communication from leaders in our

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Speaker 9: state to say we have to do something different.

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Speaker 3: No, And when you even go and it almost seems

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Speaker 3: like it's more of the same or an attempt to

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Speaker 3: go and cover it up. There was an attempt by

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Speaker 3: Republicans to create an inspector general that was shot down,

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Speaker 3: only to have the most recent fraud exposed. It gained

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Speaker 3: statewide attention to have Governor Tim Walls essentially go issue

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Speaker 3: an executive order for a you know, for another inspector general,

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Speaker 3: but one that doesn't have any teeth attached to it

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Speaker 3: as far as that's my understanding of this, And he

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Speaker 3: also gets to report to walls and so one can't

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Speaker 3: help when you talk about trust in your piece, one

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Speaker 3: can't help but be skeptical to go, all right, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, what are you going to do about it?

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Speaker 3: Are you going to cover this up if it makes

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Speaker 3: it look bad for dfllers. I certainly don't have any

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Speaker 3: trust there, But I'm also the conservative news talk show host.

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Speaker 3: So you know, do you have any faith moving forward

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Speaker 3: that we're going to be able to figure this out?

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Speaker 3: I know, the House and Stabilization Services has been wiped

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Speaker 3: out because, as you said, it was discovered to be

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Speaker 3: completely fraudulent, But I mean, what's your expectation moving forward

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Speaker 3: to given the current power dynamics in the state.

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Speaker 9: Again, you go past this prolog and I look at

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Speaker 9: what's been happening here in the last eight years, and

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Speaker 9: I don't have a lot of hope that under the

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Speaker 9: current administration that we're going to see a difference you know,

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Speaker 9: attitude or philosophy or governance. And a part of it's just,

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Speaker 9: you know, there's some people that say, well, this is intentional,

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Speaker 9: Others say it's not. I mean, at a minimum, it's negligence.

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Speaker 9: It's people that just aren't doing a good job. And

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Speaker 9: I'll give you an example. And one of the things

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Speaker 9: they talked about in the piece is that we should

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Speaker 9: have a policy where if somebody's under investigation, or somebody's indicted,

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Speaker 9: or somebody's you know, brought into federal court, you know,

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Speaker 9: for defrauding one program, they probably shouldn't be able to

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Speaker 9: keep getting money from other programs, right, you know, put

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Speaker 9: people on a list, tell them that you're done or

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Speaker 9: you're paused, and then we're not going to keep paying

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Speaker 9: you and your organization, you know, while you take you know,

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Speaker 9: we might stop the right hand, we're gonna let the

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Speaker 9: left hand keep doing that.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's absurd. Right.

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Speaker 9: And again, in the private sector, if you had a

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Speaker 9: vendor then embezzled from you or took money from you,

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Speaker 9: you wouldn't let them keep working with you in some

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Speaker 9: other branch or some other division, right, you'd shut that down.

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Speaker 9: And so that's where it's hard to take take what

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Speaker 9: the politicians are saying sincerely, you know, and the leaders

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Speaker 9: are saying sincerely, because there are things they could be

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Speaker 9: doing today to really, you know, tamp down on this

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Speaker 9: and we're not.

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Speaker 1: We're not seeing that.

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Speaker 9: And again, starting with the daycare fraud, the feeding our

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Speaker 9: Future for all, the housing civilization fraud, the autism center fraud.

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Speaker 9: It just keeps coming and coming and coming, and every

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Speaker 9: time you think we're done, more comes.

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Speaker 3: Talking with Ryan Wilson again, chair of the Minnesota chapter

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Speaker 3: of the America First of Policy Institute, to the editorial

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Speaker 3: at Alphanus dot org, enough is enough. It's time to

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Speaker 3: stop the fraud. We want to get our hands around it,

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Speaker 3: we want to deal with it. We do want to

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Speaker 3: we do want to stop it. How important is it

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Speaker 3: to get to the root cause of why it's why

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Speaker 3: it's occurring. I mean, obviously, you have a circumstance in

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Speaker 3: a situation from a state level wherein the individuals who

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Speaker 3: are tasked with cutting the checks to these various you

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Speaker 3: know programs, Uh, they see the uptick in the in

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Speaker 3: the demand across the board. They seem very sort of well,

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Speaker 3: it just looked like it was being successful. They seem

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Speaker 3: to sort of brush it all off. But you also

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Speaker 3: have the fact that the fraud is being committed in

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Speaker 3: the first place, and it's rampant. So you know, how

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Speaker 3: important is it to sort of identify which is a

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Speaker 3: bigger catalyst. Is it important at at all in dealing

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Speaker 3: with the issue of tackling this fraud.

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Speaker 9: I think you do it to have prosecution to do

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Speaker 9: a deva rests. And it's been great to see the

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Speaker 9: US Attorney's Office really pick up that slack. You know,

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Speaker 9: we haven't seen a lot of that at this at

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Speaker 9: the state level, and that sends a message to send

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Speaker 9: a message to people that if you're going to do this,

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Speaker 9: you're going to get caught.

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Speaker 1: But it's going to be it's really hard to prosecute

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Speaker 1: your way out of this.

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Speaker 9: Prosecutions are timely, they're expensive, they take a lot of effort,

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Speaker 9: a lot of work, and there's always going to be

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Speaker 9: people that get away. On the other end of this.

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Speaker 9: There's always somebody signed in the check. There's somebody in

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Speaker 9: the government that's issuing the check, that's approving the vendor,

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Speaker 9: that's saying this is you know, somebody that we trust.

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Speaker 9: And what we need to really solve this is we

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Speaker 9: need those people, the people that are on the front

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Speaker 9: line to raise their hand and say this doesn't seem right.

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Speaker 1: And there are whistle blows are there again. We saw

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Speaker 1: it in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 5: What happened.

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Speaker 9: Somebody came forward and they were completely demonized. How dare you,

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Speaker 9: you know, question any of our programs and it turns

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Speaker 9: out they're right, They were vindicated. And so we need

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Speaker 9: a culture where people are willing to step up to

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Speaker 9: say that something's wrong, to say let's pause this payment.

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Speaker 9: Because again, every time that a payment goes to a fraudster,

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Speaker 9: it's not going to a mom or a kid or

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Speaker 9: somebody on the you know, down and out that really

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Speaker 9: needs that money. And and so we need our people

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Speaker 9: to care more about our tax dollars and about the

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Speaker 9: people that they're serving.

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Speaker 1: And so it's really a.

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Speaker 9: Culture change, and it's kind of been endemic in Minnesota

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Speaker 9: government now again for at least eight years that people

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Speaker 9: just don't care.

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Speaker 1: They don't care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's what I mean. That

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Speaker 3: was a nice question, Ryan Wilson, I wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, what's happening at the at the state level.

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Speaker 3: It's easy for me, and I can admit it's easy

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Speaker 3: for me to look at the stories in hindsight and

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Speaker 3: then see the timeline of year after year and the

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Speaker 3: not slow uptick in the amount of money requested across

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Speaker 3: the board from these various programs and for me to

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Speaker 3: look at the data in front of me and go,

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Speaker 3: how in the world were you not questioning this to

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Speaker 3: begin with? There was also the story relating to how

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Speaker 3: there was a question of fraud brought up, but the

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Speaker 3: checks continued to roll out. So I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 3: ultimately the onus falls on Governor Tim Walls, correct? Or

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Speaker 3: do we need to start lower than that and work

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Speaker 3: our way up? I mean, is it just a matter

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Speaker 3: of caring? Is it way the system is designed and

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Speaker 3: built that's keeping individuals from going and questioning this further?

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Speaker 1: Is it fear? What is in near mind?

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Speaker 6: Ryan? No?

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Speaker 9: I mean we see when when administration's changed, whether it

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Speaker 9: be the federal level or the state level, you see

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Speaker 9: that those different philosophies. You know, they may take a

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Speaker 9: couple of months, but they penetrate into the bureaucracy, into

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Speaker 9: the people that are running the day to day. And

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Speaker 9: and again, I think it has to start at the top,

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Speaker 9: Governor Walls, if you wanted there to be no fraud,

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Speaker 9: there would be no fraud, or certainly a lot less

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Speaker 9: of it, right, And we said people have to have

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Speaker 9: to care more about this, and so I think I

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Speaker 9: think there is an opportunity to have a different culture.

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Speaker 1: I don't think all is lost in Minnesota.

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Speaker 9: There's always hope, sure brings eternal, but we've got to

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Speaker 9: want to from the beginning. And you know, but again,

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Speaker 9: when the federal government comes out and says Minnesota is

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Speaker 9: drowning and fraud, that's a we should know.

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Speaker 3: That should be a wake up call for everybody. It

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Speaker 3: should be a wake up call for the country for

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Speaker 3: crying out loud. I mean, these should be national stories

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Speaker 3: and the time that we have left again, talking with

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Speaker 3: Ryan Wilson from the Minnesota chapter of the American First

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Speaker 3: Policy Institute, what do you want to see happen right

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Speaker 3: right right now relating to this issue.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, I think there was a bill for

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Speaker 9: the opposite Inspector General.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great start.

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Speaker 9: I think having somebody that's you know, in all of

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Speaker 9: the Minnesota state agencies that's tasked with, you know, kind

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Speaker 9: of rooting out this, I think that's that's probably gonna be.

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Speaker 1: That is priority number one.

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Speaker 9: Again, we've got to have you know, that list where

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Speaker 9: people can't keep taking money from one to the other.

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Speaker 3: And again We've got to we've got to want to

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Speaker 3: stop the fraud. We have to wake up and say

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Speaker 3: enough is enough, and that's the real solution. American First

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Speaker 3: Policy Institute. Where can people go to check out more

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Speaker 3: about the group you're aligned with.

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Speaker 9: We can go to af you can see us on

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Speaker 9: Twitter at a FBI m N or you can go

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Speaker 9: to America First Policyings through dot com.

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Speaker 1: Everybody head on over to Alpha news dot org.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to check out Ryan Wilson's piece, Enough is

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Speaker 3: Enough is Time to stop the Fraud. We're also going

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Speaker 3: to have Liz Collin from Alpha News on tomorrow's show

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Speaker 3: right around this time.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, thank you so much for the time of this morning.

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Speaker 1: Always great to see you. Thank you having me.

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Speaker 3: Also, David Gartenstein Ross will be joining us in the

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Speaker 3: six o'clock hour. Got a couple of different AI related

844
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Speaker 3: items we'll be running through with him, AI ushering in

845
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Speaker 3: three day work weeks, some local angles as well that

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Speaker 3: we'll be diving into starting at six point thirty.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for hanging out today. Good to

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Speaker 1: see Brett.

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Speaker 3: He'll be putting up the podcast as shortly available on

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Speaker 3: the iheartra radio app.

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