1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Jack, Welcome 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: to Jesus Christ Show. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: Hello, good morning, Hi there so far, first time listener 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: to this radio program. It was referred to me during 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 2: a few of the podcast Los Angeles and tuning in 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: and so far, like in two things that I've heard 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 2: that I've been able to connect to you. One is 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: kind of the outside perimeter of what the church has 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: looked like versus the inside activity and behaviors when they're 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 2: leaving there and away from there. 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 3: And I'm finding. 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: Myself in a really good relationship at one point had 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: just some very deep friendship and a very long laughing 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: life with a pregnancy. Even though unmarried and in a 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: religious difference, there was still a very common ground there 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 2: and now that it's getting closer to first just kind 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: of one and maybe an approach to have a religious 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: and non religious parents for weekend activity or daily activity 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: with church versus maybe working on a project at the house. 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: Both kind of have the same ending and meaning in life. 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: But I don't want to push my ground, and I 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: don't think that other that she would want to for 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: sure stance of making somebody do this and that, So sure. 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: This becomes difficult. So I'm assuming you're the one that's not. 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: I grew up on a very religious background. I understand 26 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: a lot of the U you know, just a lot 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 3: of Christianity that around it. My mom and family are 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: still very involved in the church at a very advanced level, 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 3: and so that part of that I get and I 30 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: see them do it where as an individual versus the group, 31 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: and then when I go into the group setting, maybe 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: I don't care. I just don't get out of it. 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: I do as an individual. 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: Okay, what what? 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: What? 36 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? Do you like any 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: other group activities? 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: There's just you know, work activities and old personal hobbies 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 2: that I like to do with a golf group or 40 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 2: a tennis group, or just even a project hobby with 41 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: some friends and their kids, making little birdhouses or something 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: on the weekend, just. 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: Like working with your hands apparently. But why do you 44 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: think it's different when you're in a church. 45 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: Maybe because I see a lot, I hear all the 46 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: great ways of life, but I don't see it. 47 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, think of it this way. If you're in 48 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: a garage and they're going to talk about all the 49 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, great types of cars and how wonderful cars 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: are everything, But every car in that garage is being 51 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: worked on, so you're not going to see the cars 52 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: really souped up necessarily until they leave. Okay, So it's 53 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: kind of maybe expectations are part of the problem there, 54 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 1: and what the function of the church is. I think 55 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: perception is very important and when you go in thinking 56 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: it's going to be one thing. Yeah, churches is a 57 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: turn off many times. Anyways, it just is it's a 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: really hard concept to swallow when you've got some imperfect 59 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: guy or gal standing from the pulpit preaching or teaching something, 60 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: and all you can think and all people do is 61 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: kind of reflect off of this person and say, ah, 62 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: either they've got issues, or this person next to me 63 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: has issues and I'm not like that, or this just 64 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: seems phony. Up here comes the hat again. Now I'm 65 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: gotta throw more money in here, and they're gonna tell 66 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: me twenty minutes as to why I need to put 67 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: money in here and all that. I get that there's 68 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the crust of the experience that isn't 69 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: so wonderful. However, you get through that. There's a lot 70 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: of things that have that experience that you blow through 71 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: to get to the good. Whether it's going out to eat, 72 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: whether it's going to an amusement park, whether I mean 73 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: you could go, oh the parking or all the lines 74 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: or that, but you get through it because there's a 75 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: benefit or a payoff there, and I would hate for 76 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: you to miss the benefit of the payoff just because 77 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: of the the barnacles of the experience. 78 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: I see the benefit of what we're doing with our kid, 79 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: and I just want to make sure that there's a 80 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 2: neutral approach to it and from just myself to respect 81 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: that because maybe I don't go, or I wouldn't go 82 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: every every Sunday, Like now I'm starting to see this 83 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: happening versus it never was a part of the relationship 84 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: and now maybe so I still want to respect that, 85 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: but at the same time, I want to just kind 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: of keep my individual approach to it on a on 87 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: a Sunday afternoon and do something. I just want to 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: make sure that that's still good and should that be 89 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: respected from the religious side too, to see that what 90 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: I'm doing has the same impact with our child as 91 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: going to church every Sunday. Well, there's nothing from the 92 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 2: religious sides of the Sure, yeah. 93 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: There's all kinds of ways. Don't don't get stuck into 94 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: just the building with the your pretty windows. That's not 95 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: the point. It's not just about that structure there. There's 96 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: more to it. 97 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: Now. 98 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: I don't like hearing the term neutral when it comes 99 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: to raising the child. When you have to find neutral 100 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: ground in this sense, it really is neutral. Is is 101 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: like in a car, since we're on car analogies for 102 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: some reason today, it's not you're not going to move 103 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: forward or backward really unless the you're on a hill 104 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: or something like that. And I don't think it's fair 105 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 1: to the child when you get to a place where 106 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: you really are wishy washy on things to try and 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: make everybody happy. I think you make a decision the 108 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: two of you as parents on how you're going to 109 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: kid and if if you're going to raise them without God, 110 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: then rais them without God. If you're going to raise 111 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: them with God, raise them with God. But it kind 112 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: of neutral, weird, kind of I'd rather be home but 113 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: building a you know, a birdhouse than actually working on 114 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: his spiritual life or or the life or the child. 115 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 2: Yes, no, yeah, yeah, you're right. The kid will be 116 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: raised with God, and I'm fine with that. I just 117 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: would think that on the mandating Christian side that there 118 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: would be a respect for maybe just let's go somewhere 119 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: for a family for a day and not no breakfast, no, 120 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: and race off to a religious group. Maybe we can 121 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: have a day of independence with the family with the 122 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: same godly meaning. 123 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: Yes, it's possible. I hear it in your voice. You 124 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: want to do everything you can to stay out of 125 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: that church. I understand that. 126 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: Well, because I see a church on the beach. I 127 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: see it group of fifty people on the beach, and 128 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: I think that's a great spiritual way to go learn 129 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: about God. 130 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: It absolutely can, It absolutely can. But don't fall into 131 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: the fear. No, that's not a You can worship God 132 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: any way you see fit. You really can, and there 133 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: is a lot of leeway in scripture as to how 134 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: you worship, even which day you worship and all of 135 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: those things. However, it's like anything else, why are you 136 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: doing it? And if you can really ask yourself that 137 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: question honestly and answer it honestly, then you'll find you 138 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: know as to what you're looking for. If you're just 139 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: looking for a church that's like less structured and that 140 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of the you know, the stuff 141 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: you don't like. Fine, But if you're looking for a 142 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: church that you don't participate in, that you don't actually 143 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: give money to, that you don't be a part of 144 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: in the sense of being part of the community, then 145 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: it's not a church. It's a group of people kind 146 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: of coming together. Maybe at best it's a Bible study. 147 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: And that's a different experience, just like you living on 148 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: it in a neighborhood is different than you living in 149 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: a house that's next to other houses. If you're not 150 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: participating with your neighbors, you're not connecting with them. They 151 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: don't know who you are, you don't know who they are. 152 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: That's not a neighborhood. It's a house next to other houses. Okay. 153 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: So if you if you want to engage. 154 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: A very there's a very good family here, and there 155 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: is a great neighborhood and it's a great upbringing for 156 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: a kid, and we both want the same things for 157 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: this kid. 158 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: But you understand the analogy. 159 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 2: No, I understand the analogy. 160 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: Okay, because if you don't get lost in just a 161 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: go somewhere that seems spiritual. Because I find that people 162 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: that really want to get away from so called organized 163 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: religion just don't want the accountability. And if that's the case, 164 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: then it misses, it brushes past everything of value in 165 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: the church. 166 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 2: Well that's what I'm a little bit of because I'm 167 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: I'm finding myself maybe making a mistake and then holding 168 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: myself accountable for it. But on on the other side 169 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: of it, I'm seeing her and she's admitting mistakes but 170 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 2: not making that attempt. And I'm just kind of on 171 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: a very patient ground right now. 172 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: It's tough, isn't it when you not when you don't 173 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: see eye to eye spiritually, it's really tough to have 174 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: a child. You can ever without a child, everything's peachy keen, 175 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: but the minute you put a child into the equation, 176 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: it changes everything. And nobody listens to me when I tell. 177 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: Them that, no, it's it's a thing. 178 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: It wasn't It was never an issue in our relationship. 179 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: It was very well respected. 180 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: And but now you're gambling with your child. 181 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, now it's just different, and the religion thing isn't 182 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 4: really so much of the issue. Well it is, but 183 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 4: at the same time, there's the accountability of just being 184 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,239 Speaker 4: honest and the friends that we were in the relationship 185 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 4: when we find ourselves in mistake mode, and that's where 186 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 4: I'm just you'll fight. 187 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: Well, there's just more at stake right now, Jack, And 188 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: in that process, you're gonna everyone's going to be holding 189 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: onto their own You're a smart guy, and you're an 190 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: honest guy. You're going to find the right thing. Just 191 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: be balanced and be aware of why you're doing what 192 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: you're doing and why you're not doing what you don't 193 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: want to do, and be honest with yourself first and 194 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: then with each other. Alfonso, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 195 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 5: Good morning. I just want to start with saying I'm 196 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 5: a loyal listener and I really love your show every weekend. 197 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. 198 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 5: I appreciate it absolutely. Uh. I've been curious about something 199 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 5: and I and I wanted to call and ask about 200 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 5: the significance of the head coverings. Uh. Sometimes uh, you 201 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 5: know some religions where the where the you know, the 202 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 5: women cover their heads and they they don't and or 203 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 5: or some other religions where they where they were the 204 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 5: the Yamica, and and then in occasions they don't. And 205 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 5: and I I've seen you know, other the bishops. On 206 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 5: a TV interview, he had a red one on I think, 207 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 5: you know, I just kind of I was, you know, 208 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 5: very curious about that, and I knew you were the 209 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 5: perfect one to call and ask, well. 210 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate that the head coverings, and well, we'll focus 211 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: on Christianity just because that's the purpose of the program, 212 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: but to broaden it, they all kind of go back 213 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: to the same place. It's a sign of respect. It's 214 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: a sign of respect and humility before God. So as 215 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: far as if you read First Corinthians eleven and you 216 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: went through it, I know a lot of people will 217 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: read this and go, oh my gosh, that's you know, 218 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: the women have to wear head coverings. This is obviously 219 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: to make women lesser. No, no, it's actually quite beautiful. 220 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: And if you read on, it's not about an equality thing, 221 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: but about a structure thing and an importance to show 222 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: that there that the people of God were submissive towards God. 223 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: And really a lot of things that were done early 224 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: on were done to separate our Jewish brothers and sisters, 225 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: and therefore early Christians from looking like pagans. The pagan 226 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: prostitutes would shave their heads and things like that. So 227 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: Christian women early in the early Christian Church would wear 228 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: head coverings to separate themselves from looking like the prostitutes. 229 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: That's kind of focus on what the base of it 230 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: is always about respect, always about giving glory to God 231 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: and humility. Linda, Welcome to the Jesus Christia. Hi there, 232 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: How may I help you? 233 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 6: Okay? 234 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 7: So basically my question is okay, So basically my question 235 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 7: is I don't understand how you're supposed to, I guess 236 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 7: interpret the Bible or read it basically like you know, 237 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 7: because I've heard a lot of it has to do 238 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 7: with symbolism, Like a lot of the stories and a 239 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 7: lot of the versions and stuff are symbol And basically 240 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 7: my question is are you supposed. 241 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 6: To read the Bible at face value? It is just 242 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 6: to take it at face value. 243 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 7: And interpret every single word exactly for what it says. 244 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 6: Or are you supposed to symbolize everything? 245 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 5: Well? 246 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: No, in the if you made everything a symbol, it 247 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: really doesn't mean anything. It takes the weight of the 248 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: entirety of the weight out of scripture. I'll tell you 249 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: it's quite easy, really, And here's a good trick for 250 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: you to use should you want to study scripture. Scripture 251 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: is very clear about explaining when something's a dream, it's 252 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: very clear when something's a story. Every time that I 253 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: tell a story, I start by saying, I'm going to 254 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: tell you a story, or here's a parable. If that's 255 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: not being done, then the assumption it would be correct 256 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: to assume that it's to be taken literally. Now, not 257 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: everything in the Bible is true. It's just true that 258 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: it was said and therefore put in the Bible. So 259 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: for instance, if the devil himself said there is no God, 260 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: but he was saying it on the Mount of Olives 261 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: or something in front of people or next to me, 262 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: for instance, he's standing next to Christ and he says it, 263 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: it might get in scripture, but it doesn't mean that 264 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: it's true. So not everything is prescriptive or prescribed, and 265 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: it's important to see that. Sometimes scripture is just describing 266 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: something that took place, and this took place and you 267 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: should know about it, and the verse versus, like the 268 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: Ten Commandments are prescriptive saying you should do these things 269 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: or you should not do these things, and that they're 270 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: two different ways. So there's many important parts of scripture 271 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: and any work of antiquity. Quite honestly, instance, if you 272 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: looked at Shakespeare. Shakespeare talks about some things that are true, 273 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: some things that took place, but it's all fiction. It's 274 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: all written as theater, but doesn't mean he didn't use 275 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: real characters and things like that. Now, in scripture, it's 276 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: a historic account from the eyes of many of what 277 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: went on in certain times, and then put together because 278 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: of the fact that they have similar content and a 279 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: similar conclusion and similar purpose. But to take something literal 280 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: when Christ himself says and here is a parable would 281 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: be silly. But it'd be equally as silly to make 282 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: something where he doesn't say, this as a story and 283 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: it's not a parable, and to take that and make 284 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: it just, well, I'm gonna interpret interpret it as a 285 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: story because that's not the way it's said. So in 286 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: that in those context, it's important to understand what is 287 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: being said and why it's being said, and what the 288 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: seeding of the discussion is. In scripture, you read before it, 289 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: you read after it, and you get a feel for it, 290 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: and in doing that, I think you get a better 291 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: idea of what scripture is. It's like, not just should 292 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: it be interpreted literally or symbolically. That's not fair because 293 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. Not everything in it is literal. 294 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: It maybe literal that they said it, or maybe literal 295 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: that it was written down, but it's it's not literal 296 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: when I when I say in scripture it is easier 297 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: to get a camel through the eye of a needle 298 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: than it is to get a rich man into heaven. 299 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: That's absurdity, that's just that's trying to be that's actually 300 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: being sarcastic. You can't get a camel through the eye 301 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: of a needle. And there are many who have believed, oh, well, 302 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: those gates at the front of the city that were 303 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: very small, and when they shut the big gates later 304 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: at night, if if you were traveling and had to 305 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: come in, you had to come by way these small 306 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: gates that they called the eye of the needle. None 307 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,239 Speaker 1: of that has been confirmed, even though I've seen it 308 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: in encyclopedia as before, and they've been wrong. So it 309 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: really was trying to fit a camel through the eye 310 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: of a needle, which is impossible. Yet you know, it's 311 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: not impossible to get a rich person into heaven. So 312 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: that wasn't being literal. The illustration was that it's quite 313 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: difficult because people end up worshiping money and end up 314 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: focusing on that and losing sight of the things that 315 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: are important and real in their lives. So scripture, yes, 316 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: and many parts should be taken literally. When it says 317 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: thou shalt not murder, it means thou shalt not take 318 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: the life of the innocent period. It's not a story 319 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: or anything like that, thankfully, because those ten commandments were 320 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: pretty much built into the very laws that you enjoy 321 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: in these United States. So having an understanding of those 322 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: things and knowing when it's different in scripture is important 323 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: when it's just describing something, it's important to know that 324 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: when it's prescribing something you should do this or you 325 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: should not do that. That's important, and know where it 326 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: falls into context and what is trying to be said. 327 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: But absolutely it is in there, and there's no reason 328 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: to take it and entirely symbolically because that doesn't make 329 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: sense either. And there's also times that I confirm things 330 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: that I would talk about them too, not saying, hey, 331 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: you remember that story, but go into it as if 332 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: it was the history that was taught, whether it be 333 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: Adam and Eve or things like that, and they get uh, 334 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: they got prominence. As well. Sharon, Welcome to the Jesus 335 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: Christ Show. 336 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 6: Thank you. 337 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: How can I help you? 338 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 6: My neighbor and I were having a discussion. My husband 339 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 6: died four or four years ago. Her husband died four 340 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 6: years ago. Yes, we both were holding their hands when they. 341 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 5: Left us. 342 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 6: I watched my husband for seven hours, well watched his eyes, 343 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 6: I watched his mouth, everything to see if I because 344 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 6: I knew he was leaving and I wanted to see 345 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 6: if they're with something different going to happen. 346 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 5: It didn't. 347 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 6: So neither one of us, and probably millions more would 348 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 6: like to know when when the life goes out of 349 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 6: the person, does their soul go to heaven? And when 350 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 6: the Bible says that at the end God will raise 351 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 6: everyone up if their souls are already in heaven, does 352 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 6: that mean He's going to raise their their bodies out 353 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 6: of those out of that coffin. 354 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: Well, there's I would like to focus on the heaven 355 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: part because it's most important to somebody who has passed, 356 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 1: and pull and point towards some of those things, but 357 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: there's no need for The body is a vessel, it's ashes, dashes, 358 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: dust to dust. That's a carrier, and so the focus 359 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: should be on what scripture says about the passing of someone. 360 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: And in Hebrews Hebrews, chapter nine, verse twenty seven, it says, 361 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: and inasmuch as it is appointed for man to die 362 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: once and after this comes judgment, very very simple. 363 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 5: Well. 364 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: Second Corinthians five eight also says, to be absent from 365 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: the body is to be present with the Lord. So yes, 366 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: to the god fearing person, to the believer, there with God. 367 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 6: They immediately go with God. That's good. 368 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think so I would tend to agree. 369 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 6: That's good. 370 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: Sounds like a great yeah. No need to stop, no 371 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: need to get Anderson's pea soup, no need to go 372 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: on a long drive anywhere, get gas, get snacks. Nothing. 373 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 6: And uh want to know my husband's and I mean 374 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 6: his soul is him? 375 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 5: Oh? 376 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 377 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 6: And he is with God. That's all I care about. 378 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: What a beautiful statement. In Second Corinthians five eight, to 379 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: be absent from the body is to be present with 380 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: the Lord. 381 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 6: Okay, you've answer my question. 382 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: Excellent, Well then you go in peace. You are very 383 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: very welcome. And that gets confusing and scary, and the 384 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: concept as to what's going on, and a lot of 385 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: it gets kind of complicated and theological, and that's of 386 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: interest to some, but some people just need that simple 387 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: verse to move them along that way and to go 388 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: into peace. When sometimes that hits in such a way 389 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: that it's like, well, what's going on and what is happening? 390 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: The end time stuff and the raising of the it 391 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: gets into a whole muddy mess of stuff that I 392 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: prefer we talk about it from time to time, but 393 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: on a case like this, to prefer to focus on 394 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 1: the simplicity of that truth, because I think it's an 395 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: important one and also one that is kind of overlooked 396 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: in all the you know, the many versions of well 397 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: this is what happens, and this is what happens, and 398 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: just stick with that beauty. To be absent from the 399 00:23:54,119 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: body is to be present with the Lord. Wendy, Welcome 400 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: to the Jesus Christ Show. 401 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 8: Jesus, thank you you are my Lord and Savior. And 402 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 8: I praise your holy name. 403 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: Oh praise God. Thanks for calling. 404 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 8: I was raised in a conservative Southern Baptist church and 405 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 8: I still hold those values and belief And it's regarding music. 406 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 8: I'm a musician. I love all types of music. I 407 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 8: love opera, classical, I love what's that ghetto rap. 408 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 5: I love every. 409 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 8: Type of music, every type of music that there is, 410 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 8: but I believe that there's maybe more okay, well being 411 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 8: being raised with the hymns, the old hymns like great 412 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 8: is Thy faithfulness? And when the when the role is called, 413 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 8: there's a different vibration, a frequency that is I don't know, 414 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 8: placed up on your soul. I can't see you see. 415 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: Now you're getting into metaphysics, and that might be a 416 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: problem too. 417 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 8: Well. Okay, Let's say somebody has has like sexual sin, okay, 418 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 8: and they go to a striper bar and they watch 419 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 8: those girls on the pole. If there was opera playing 420 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 8: or hymns, I don't think that they would be into 421 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 8: it because I think it's. 422 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: I listen to me for a second. I don't think they'd. 423 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 6: Care who's they know. 424 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: Those that are in the strip joint, they're not going 425 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: there to see naked women and some cool jams. They're 426 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: going there to see naked women. The association between certain 427 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: music and certain vibes, Yes, of course, there are certain 428 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: things that you have to be in the mood for. 429 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: There is no evil music. There are evil words, there's 430 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: evil intent, but there is not one. Okay, let's uh, 431 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: maybe an e minor is a little dark, but there's 432 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: no there's no such thing as an evil note. 433 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 8: Okay, but wait, wait, what about like Highway to Hell? 434 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's a lyric. That's a lyric. And I 435 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: will tell you this, I'll go even a little further 436 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: with you that if you put the actual contents of 437 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: scripture into lyrics, with the best reality and the rape 438 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: and the multiple partners, you wouldn't be able to listen 439 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: to it. Then either, even though it's straight out of 440 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: the Bible. The Bible, i will tell you, is the filthiest, 441 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 1: most violent book that you will come across. It's not 442 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: prescriptive that way. It's describing that these things took place. 443 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's true. 444 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: So then we have to look at scripture the same way, 445 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: or outside of scripture the same way. Any music, is 446 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: it being prescriptive or is it describing something? We play 447 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: a lot of secular music on the show for that 448 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: very reason, because a lot of it is describing how 449 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: they believe, either Christians believe, or the confusion they have 450 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: in life, or the frustrations they have in life. And 451 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: that's okay. Now, if it's telling you to go out 452 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: and commit a sacrifice. If it's telling you go out 453 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: and take a life. If it's telling you to go 454 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: out and do these things, then yes there's a problem. 455 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: If it's describing them, you have to have the sense 456 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: of an old cow and eat the hay and leave 457 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: the sticks. That's the key in life altogether. Just because 458 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: you don't like something doesn't make it evil. I know 459 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: Christians have gotten to a place where where they're very 460 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: comfortable in letting, in putting their stamp of disapproval on everything. 461 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: But I assure you, as they point to all these 462 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: movies and songs, that the scripture is at the top 463 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: of the list on what you wouldn't want to see 464 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: and wouldn't want to hear about if it was accurate 465 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 1: in a song or in a movie. Kf I am 466 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: six forty on demand