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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio dot com. So here are the headlines about this

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Speaker 1: story from last week. Fox nine North Minneapolis Ice shooting.

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Speaker 1: Children hospitalized after flashbang tear gas hits van. A family

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Speaker 1: was caught in clashes between protesters and law enforcement during

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Speaker 1: protests at North Minneapolis, leading to three of their six

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Speaker 1: children being injured. Caro Levin, Minneapolis. Family says Ice threw

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Speaker 1: flashbangs tear gas near and under with their six kids inside. Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: Family says they were on their way home Wednesday when

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Speaker 1: they were caught between ICE agents and protesters. From a

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Speaker 1: website called truthout, Immigration agents teargas Minneapolis family's car with

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Speaker 1: six kids inside. The families a six month old baby

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Speaker 1: stopped breathing and was unconscious for several minutes after the attack,

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Speaker 1: Mother Jones ICE's tear gas sent a six month old

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Speaker 1: to the hospital. The latest in an alarming pattern from Jelopnik.

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Speaker 1: Ice throws flashbang at family car in Minneapolis, sends three

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Speaker 1: children to the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Destiny, the mother, says.

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Speaker 1: Witnesses quickly started pouring milk on her children to try

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Speaker 1: to alleviate the effects of the tear gas.

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Speaker 2: Here's a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit of the family talking with Carol Levin about their

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Speaker 1: harrowing tale.

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Speaker 3: We were leaving South Minneapolis from our son's basketball game

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Speaker 3: at Anderson Middle School. As the night unfolded, we started

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Speaker 4: One North Minneapolis family trying to make their way home.

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Speaker 5: Like even I couldn't go backward forward.

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Speaker 4: I was Destiny and Shawn Jackson, along with their six

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Speaker 4: kids had just left the nearby grocery store after the

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Speaker 4: There's nothing we can do if it was blocked off.

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Speaker 4: Shawn and Destiny say they were stuck between crowds of

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Speaker 3: All we heard was boom and every airbag deployed.

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Speaker 4: They say a flash bang went off near their car

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Speaker 3: And I was screaming to Mirow that my oldest son Sean,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, get out, get out, that I can't mom,

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Speaker 3: and I can't breathe.

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Speaker 4: Destiny says. Bystanders pulled her into a home to check

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Speaker 3: He was just like lifeless, like he had like fallen

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Speaker 3: tears coming out of his eyes. I was getting them

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Speaker 3: I will give you all my breath till you get

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Speaker 6: Nobody wants in the.

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Speaker 7: Family was taken to the hospital. All now, okay, like

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Speaker 7: my kids up is still in the car. So I

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Speaker 7: score with a family on their way home. He caught dum.

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Speaker 1: Chaos, chaos, Oh my gosh, how awful of ice.

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Speaker 2: What a horrible story. It was all a lie. Oh,

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Speaker 2: the car was hit by a.

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Speaker 1: Flash bang tear gas canister, but this whole story of

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Speaker 1: Watch Minneapolis posted this yesterday. All the evidence is available

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Speaker 1: up online. The mother and the father are on video

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Speaker 1: at the riot, protesting for nearly forty five minutes before

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Speaker 1: by some leftist Jonathan Mason. The tear gas call from

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Speaker 1: the baby was dispatched at nine twenty two and you

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Speaker 1: Truth Out, Mother Jones, Jilopnik and all the other outlets.

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Speaker 1: Are they gonna go and retract this story? Provide a

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Speaker 1: the Immigrations and Customs enforcement agents that were simply trying

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Speaker 2: At for child endangerment.

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Speaker 1: They've raised almost two hundred thousand dollars after leaving their

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Speaker 2: Also posted.

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Speaker 1: Allegedly Destiny Jackson is actually Destiny Bradshaw and allegedly was

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Speaker 1: She apparently loured a twenty one year old man to

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Speaker 1: She pleaded guilty to aiding at a bedding and now

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Speaker 1: she's the face of a tear gas that raised two

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. Again, that live stream footage shows her

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Speaker 1: and her husband actively writing while their children were allegedly

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Speaker 1: yet you listen to the foes of the show, and

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Speaker 1: it's people like myself and Liz Colin that are apparently

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Speaker 8: Here's another metaphor for your radio show in this book,

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Speaker 8: for Liz Collins too, on how you guys do your

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Speaker 8: investigative and journalistic work. If I was Derek Sheldon, let

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Speaker 1: any further on this. I won't speak for Liz Colin

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Speaker 8: On how you guys do your investigative and journalistic work.

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Speaker 2: Me stop here really quick. We didn't do talkbacks back then.

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Speaker 8: Boy, I know who I'd be arresting if I ever

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Speaker 8: arresting people like you because you withheld evidence to make

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Speaker 1: These lot of tics don't even know law. I'm not

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Speaker 2: They're completely irrational like follow the show, Phil.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, John and Justice, So IMPERI you're an idiot. That

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Speaker 5: He all your records. Don't delete any of your podcasts

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Speaker 1: I love the threats here, the retaliation that the left wants.

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Speaker 1: They want to go after individuals for speaking the truth.

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Speaker 2: As if I would go and do that anyways.

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Speaker 1: And with regard to the Richfield target story that was presented,

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Speaker 1: that was portrayed as a kid just randomly there at

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Speaker 1: the target being apprehended by Ice, that wasn't what happened.

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Speaker 1: As the ICE agents were walking up to the store,

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Speaker 2: So yet he was detained and then he was later

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Speaker 1: Excessive use of force in a random stop by an

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Speaker 1: ICE agent. This is the propaganda that's being spread on

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Speaker 1: a daily basis, perpetuated by sitting senators in Congress. Amy

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Speaker 9: There are over three thousand ICE agents lawrence in our

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Speaker 9: communities that outnumbers the Minneapolis Saint Paul Police Department. There's

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Speaker 2: You may stop here really quick.

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Speaker 4: So what.

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Speaker 1: The anti ice in the crowd and the Democrats keep

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Speaker 2: It's not the own that you think it is.

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Speaker 1: It demonstrates just what Democrats have done when it comes

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Speaker 9: So you have legal citizens that are being arrested. You

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Speaker 9: maybe heard about the mung man who fifty seven years old,

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Speaker 2: That man was detained for that very reason.

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Speaker 9: And today I started my day with police chiefs from

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Speaker 9: They're making us less safe.

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Speaker 1: If people got out of the way of what ICE

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Speaker 2: But in Republican l.

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Speaker 1: They're able to go into the community not disturb anybody

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Speaker 10: Comments from the idiots like Phil are exactly why this

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Speaker 11: Hey, John, it's funny hearing Phil talk about saving those podcasts.

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Speaker 12: The irony is he's got every single one downloaded because

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Speaker 4: Born and John, that clip of Amy Klobashar is laughable.

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Speaker 15: Of course, Lornan John, I would love for you to

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Speaker 1: Boy, I'd love to hear and again this goes back

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Speaker 8: Bet John, I want out Key Delton.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be able to run for reelection when

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Speaker 1: The website is Ron four mnag dot com. Talking with

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Speaker 1: just I'd be curious. You know, as you run for

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Speaker 1: this position, you know what your you know what.

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Speaker 2: Your thought is.

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Speaker 1: If you're in this spot and you're having to deal

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Speaker 1: with all of these controversies that have been erupting over

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Speaker 1: the course of several weeks.

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Speaker 11: Well, I'm glad you asked that question, John, because there

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Speaker 11: is a misunderstanding of the application of what's called the

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Speaker 11: Faith that's Face Act to the situation at this church.

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Speaker 11: Take Ellison was in the news yesterday claiming that the

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Speaker 11: Faith Act does not apply to what happened at the

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Speaker 11: Baptist church in Minneapolis, that it's limited to protesters trying

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Speaker 11: to prevent people seeking from entering abortion clinics. That is

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Speaker 11: absolutely wrong. Apparently he failed to pick up either his

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Speaker 11: computer and the law book and look up Title eighteen

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Speaker 11: of the US Code, section two forty eight, which is

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Speaker 11: a Faith Act. And here's the interesting and very important

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Speaker 11: piece of that, John, The Faith Act has two mirror

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Speaker 11: provisions in it. The first does, in fact make it

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Speaker 11: illegal for someone to either use a threat of force

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Speaker 11: access to what the statue calls reproductive health services. The

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Speaker 11: second provision uses identical language that makes it illegal for

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Speaker 11: someone to try to use threats or intimidations or physical

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Speaker 11: force too. And I'm quoting from the statute interfere with

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Speaker 11: any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First

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Speaker 11: Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship.

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Speaker 11: I don't think there's any doubt, based on the evidence

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Speaker 11: we've seen in the videos we've seen of what happened

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Speaker 11: at that Baptist church, that those protesters are storming in

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Speaker 11: there have in fact violated the Ice Act. I'm gled

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Speaker 11: to believe that the federal government is investigating that. And

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Speaker 11: the other important thing here is the statute also provides

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Speaker 11: what we lawyers call a private right of action. In

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Speaker 11: other words, those affected by that people inside the church

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Speaker 11: the church itself, can also bring a lawsuit under the

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Speaker 11: Face Act seeking damages, including attorney's fees. And I would

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Speaker 11: not be surprised if we i think we're going to

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Speaker 11: see a suit by either members of the congregation or

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Speaker 11: the church itself.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I know that we're awaiting.

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Speaker 1: As we talked about earlier, Christy Nomes said that arrests

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Speaker 1: were pending with regard to that protest that took place

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. So she arrived yesterday here in town. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see if she makes that announcement. I will say

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Speaker 1: this as a bit of a comment talking with Ron

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Speaker 1: Shoots running for a Minnesota Attorney general again his website

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Speaker 1: Ron four mnag dot com. And oftentimes when circumstances like

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Speaker 1: this happened, while I wished it hadn't, I think we

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Speaker 1: all wished it hadn't happened. We wished that individuals, we

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Speaker 1: would hope that individuals would use common sense and not

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Speaker 1: go and disrupt a place of worship.

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Speaker 2: Be that as of May it did happen.

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Speaker 1: But I hope that people, you know, people better be

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Speaker 1: held accountable to the letter of the law, because if

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Speaker 1: they're not, and this is a tactic that the left

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Speaker 1: can begin to deploy, you know, we've crossed you know,

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Speaker 1: we've crossed a line here and things could really spiral

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Speaker 1: out of hands. So again, just more of a comment, Ron,

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Speaker 1: I really hope they do hold these people accountable, because

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Speaker 1: what a horrible precedent to set if they were able

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Speaker 1: to get away with these actions.

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Speaker 11: Well, and it was again nothing happens by by accident here.

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Speaker 11: The church was targeted because apparently one of the members

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Speaker 11: of the church staff for half, one of their pastors

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Speaker 11: or assistant pastors is a local ICE agent. It turns

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Speaker 11: out that that was the local ICE agent who submitted

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Speaker 11: a declaration in the civil rights lawsuit that was brought

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Speaker 11: by the American Civil Liberties Union. And you may have

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Speaker 11: there was an order issued in that case that prevented

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Speaker 11: ICE agents from engaging in certain activities, and that order

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Speaker 11: late last night or late yesterday afternoon was suspended by

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Speaker 11: the a Circt Court of Appeal, so that order is

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Speaker 11: not effective. But that agent was a person who had

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Speaker 11: submitted the declaration in that case, and he was specifically

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Speaker 11: targeted by these left wing educators.

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Speaker 1: Ron, I'm going to turn my attention coming up to

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Speaker 1: a fraud We had House Republicans in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: A part of this hearing on fraud claims here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: I'll have some audio to share in a few minutes here.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious though, before I let you go this morning,

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Speaker 1: you know, what can the Attorney General do? What should

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General be doing in the wake of all

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Speaker 1: of these fraud revelations and exposure.

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Speaker 11: The Attorney General has very broad powers to investigate fraud.

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Speaker 11: The Attorney General's powers are set forth in Statute Missile

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Speaker 11: Statute section eight thirty one. If anybody wants to go

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Speaker 11: to the internet and check this out, extremely broad authority

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Speaker 11: to issue to penas, get records, call people in to testify,

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Speaker 11: and depositions, and that the Attorney General doesn't need to

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Speaker 11: sit in his office waiting for someone to come to

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Speaker 11: him and say, hey, I think they're fraud in this program.

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Speaker 11: The Attorney General can be proactive. The Attorney General can

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Speaker 11: take a look at the massive spending that's going on

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Speaker 11: with these social service programs. And one of the things

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Speaker 11: I intend to do when I'm elected is look at

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Speaker 11: where the dollars go and follow the money. One should

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Speaker 11: always follow the money and where you've got all these

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Speaker 11: dollars flowing, You can take some random looks at some

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Speaker 11: of these programs and see if they're complying with actually

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Speaker 11: delivering the services that the programs direct them to deliver.

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Speaker 11: In other words, to make sure there are actually kids

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Speaker 11: in the daycare, to make sure that they are actually

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Speaker 11: taking people to medical appointments, which is the non emergency

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Speaker 11: medical Transportation program, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Ron shoots again the website iron four mnag dot com.

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Speaker 1: Iron shoots running for Attorney General. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for the time this morning. It was great to speaking

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Speaker 1: with you, and continued good luck in your campaign during

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Speaker 1: these understatement to say they're trying times.

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Speaker 2: But thank you for the time this morning.

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Speaker 11: Yep, and thank you.

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Speaker 18: John.

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Speaker 11: More than happy to come back anytime.

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Speaker 1: House Republicans in DC held the hearing on Minnesota fraud claims.

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Speaker 1: Interesting this morning on Fox News, Amy Bach, who is white.

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Speaker 2: According to the start viewing by the Way.

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Speaker 1: Ringleader of Feeding Our Future, she had a conversation a

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Speaker 1: zoom interview with Fox News and Alexis McAdams.

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Speaker 2: I haven't had the opportunity yet. I saw it after

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Speaker 2: the show started to pull the audio.

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Speaker 1: But amy Bach claims that she believes I don't know

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Speaker 1: if she has evidence that the Wallason administration and Walls

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Speaker 1: himself absolutely knew about the fraud that was going on. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not putting a lot of stock in what Amy

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Speaker 1: Bok has to say. Hey, that run, I'm not putting

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Speaker 1: stock in Amy bach. I mean you got an individual

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Speaker 1: that sitting behind bars for committing fraud. Of course she's

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Speaker 1: going to try to make herself look better by going

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Speaker 1: in say saying that Governor Tim Walls was aware of

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Speaker 1: the fraud that was taking place.

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Speaker 2: However, it would be rather interesting to these.

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Speaker 1: Investigations move forward if she actually had to go and

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Speaker 1: give testimony. The first person to testify yesterday in DC

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Speaker 1: in this fraud hearing was Scott Dexter. He said, despite

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Speaker 1: new and intense spotlight on daycare fraud in Minnesota, it's

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Speaker 1: not new. He worked for the state's Department of Human

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Speaker 1: Services from twenty thirteen to twenty nineteen. He said the

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Speaker 1: investigative process was thorough, methodical, and generated tips. Here is

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Speaker 1: a sum of his testimony yesterday.

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Speaker 19: Mister Dexter could have something been done about this earlier. Yes,

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Speaker 19: as I stated in my opening testimony, in the years

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Speaker 19: that I worked there, we identified how fraud was occurring,

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Speaker 19: the loopholes that existed, and what were.

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Speaker 4: The what were some of the warning signs?

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Speaker 19: Mister Dexter well, the fact that part of our job

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Speaker 19: was to go and collect attendance records. We would find

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Speaker 19: attendance rec that were either incomplete non existent. Obviously, there

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Speaker 19: were times we found them to be fabricated because they

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Speaker 19: were given to us way later. And the same with

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Speaker 19: billing records. They were allowed thirty days after the end

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Speaker 19: of the billing period to cebmit billing records, so they

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Speaker 19: were not immediately available to us, and it kind of

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Speaker 19: allowed overpayments or double payments to be overlooked.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The House also heard from the owner of Holland Autism

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Speaker 1: Center who said that within the last month, four hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars and medicaid funds were withheld from her center

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Speaker 1: due to the widespread fraud in the state, and in turn,

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Speaker 1: she shared, the children are regressing, which can have lifelong

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Speaker 1: consequences because with the holding of these funds because of

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Speaker 1: the fraud, you actually have a few legitimate autism centers

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Speaker 1: out there that are unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: Being caught in the middle of all of this.

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Speaker 1: And isn't it fascinating that the Left has nothing to

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Speaker 1: say regarding that. Well, they continue to talk about the

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Speaker 1: neighbors and ice enforcement and how much they care, they

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Speaker 1: just conveniently leave out the unintended victims of fraud that

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Speaker 1: are actually using Medicaid dollars appropriately. Nick Shirley was a

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Speaker 1: part of the testimony yesterday. Here's a bit of what

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Speaker 1: he had to say. I got a couple of clips

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Speaker 1: from Nick Shirley. Here's the first.

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Speaker 18: We go to a daycare, and I'm instantly surprised by

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Speaker 18: what we see. We arrived and it was an industrialized

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Speaker 18: building and there was two daycares registered at that daycare

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Speaker 18: at that building, and the first thing I noticed is

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Speaker 18: all the windows are blacked out, and there's no footprints

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Speaker 18: in the snow of any children. There's no playgrounds or

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Speaker 18: anything that would make it look like it's a childcare.

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Speaker 18: But above me a sign read open seven am to

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Speaker 18: ten pm. But there is nobody there. The doorbell did

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Speaker 18: not even work. And then we continued to go to

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Speaker 18: other daycares and we noticed the same pattern, no children,

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Speaker 18: blacked out windows, and one daycare a learning center spelled

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Speaker 18: quality Leering Center instead of quality Learning Center. They had

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Speaker 18: received one point nine million dollars, yet with that one

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Speaker 18: point nine million dollars, they cannot even spell learing Right

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Speaker 18: on their sign.

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Speaker 1: Liz Colin from Alphaineus sat down late last week talked

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Speaker 1: with attorney doctor David fine Wax joining her on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Last week.

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Speaker 1: Recent filing from the FEDS saying it's a bombshell that

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Speaker 1: could lead to severe consequences for Governor Tim Walls. So

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Speaker 1: he's the former general counsel of the Minnesota Hospital Association,

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Speaker 1: and we'll hear from some doctors that got together for

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Speaker 1: another press conference of propaganda pushing back on ICE. We'll

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Speaker 1: do this next hour. But he was fired, this former

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Speaker 1: general council the Minnesota Hospital Association. He was fired for

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Speaker 1: asking too many questions after four HMOs in Minnesota, we're

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Speaker 1: making an extraordinary amount of money from the state medicaid

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Speaker 1: program with a recent action taken by the federal government.

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Speaker 1: He calls what's happening right now to fight fraud in

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Speaker 1: Minnesota extremely significant. The federal government is going to withhold

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Speaker 1: some of the money that they're supplying to Minnesota, he said.

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Speaker 1: On Wednesday, January fourteenth. That notice became part of the

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Speaker 1: official government record. It states the Minnesota Medicaid Agency fails

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Speaker 1: to adequately identify, prevent, and address fraud, waste, and abuse

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Speaker 1: within its Medicaid program. Doctor Finwax explained that the notice

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Speaker 1: allows Tim Walls to request a hearing, and if he does,

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Speaker 1: he will need to prove that the federal government satisfaction

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Speaker 1: that he's got a real plan to try to deal

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Speaker 1: with this fraud, which at the moment he most certainly

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Speaker 1: does not. He went on to say, the root cause

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Speaker 1: of all the fraud in Minnesota is an absolute total absence.

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Speaker 2: Of financial safeguards. There just aren't any.

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Speaker 1: Zero Edit doctor fine Wax, again a former general counsel

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Speaker 1: for the Minnesota Hospital Association. I here's more from Nick

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Speaker 1: Shirley actually talking about this very type of issue.

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Speaker 2: Correct, what makes you think fat?

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Speaker 18: Well, now you're seeing since I've posted that video, lots

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Speaker 18: of other people have started to go to other locations,

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Speaker 18: for instance.

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Speaker 2: In Ohio, or in Maine, or in California.

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Speaker 18: They're also seeing the similar fraud take place in other

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Speaker 18: daycares for instance, in a lot of other locations.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I have a particular interest in California being from that state,

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Speaker 17: and I we know there's been a lot of fraud.

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Speaker 17: There was thirty two point six billion dollars that's been

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Speaker 17: confirmed in unemployment insurance fraud. There's one point two million

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Speaker 17: fraudulent community college applications. Have you gotten any sense or

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Speaker 17: have you seen any signs there that sort of are

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Speaker 17: similar to what aroused your suspicions in Minnesota.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, and fraud in California might be worse than the

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Speaker 18: frauday Minnesota. What makes you say that, Well, twenty four

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Speaker 18: billion dollars went missing for homelessness. They've been trying to

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Speaker 18: build this train for years, yet there's hardly anything to

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Speaker 18: prove for that fires.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, those are good points, so you look at you

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Speaker 17: let's let's run through a couple of those, because I

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Speaker 17: mentioned the areas where we have confirmed fraud, but then

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Speaker 17: you also have these areas where you have so much

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Speaker 17: spending and then we look at what results from that

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Speaker 17: spending and there's nothing. So twenty four billion dollars in

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Speaker 17: homelessness and yet the homeless population went up, and a

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Speaker 17: state audit found that they couldn't even figure out where

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Speaker 17: the money went or what the outcomes linked to that spending. Word,

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Speaker 17: is that something that is kind of a red flag

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Speaker 17: for you? Yeah, it's a major red flag.

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Speaker 18: And you don't even have to be smart to be

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Speaker 18: able to know that that's a red flag.

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Speaker 17: Well, unfortunately, our state legislators haven't managed to figure that out,

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Speaker 17: or at least the governor hasn't.

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Speaker 4: So what are you saying about him?

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Speaker 2: They're not smart? No, But yeah, I mean it's so obvious.

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Speaker 18: And that's what we saw in Minnesota is how complicit

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Speaker 18: the government has been in enabling this fraud to happen.

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Speaker 18: Quality Learing Center had over ninety violations, yet they continue

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Speaker 18: to give that daycare one point nine million dollars from OUTFITUS.

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Speaker 1: And that conversation that Liz Collin had with a doctor Finwack,

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Speaker 1: he pointed out how financial safeguards it seem to have

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Speaker 1: been eliminated in Minnesota because there is a larger fraud

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Speaker 1: going on involving the state itself, and that fraud involves

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Speaker 1: the state billing and federal government for unnecessary fictitious insurance

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Speaker 1: reserve and talking about some of the details, he explained

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Speaker 1: that the way things work in Minnesota is these programs

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Speaker 1: are largely what they call a one to eleven to

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Speaker 1: five programs eleven fifteen waiver programs, which means they've eliminated

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Speaker 1: the requirement for audits, they've eliminated most of the oversight

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Speaker 1: in terms of HMOs or managed care organizations.

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Speaker 2: The investigation of fraud has been outsourced to them.

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Speaker 1: So if they're crying about being impacted by fraud, it's

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Speaker 1: because they're not investigating it. And they don't investigate it

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Speaker 1: because hypothetically, what if they're also committing the fraud. He

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Speaker 1: questioned and talking about Governor Tim Walls and is so

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Speaker 1: called the actions to fight fraud, doctor Finwack said that

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Speaker 1: Walls's actions are actually distractions and funny the Governor Jim

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Speaker 1: Walls keeps saying that all this is just a part

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Speaker 1: is in distraction. He talked about how measures to fight

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Speaker 1: fraud were not taken during the last legislative session due

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Speaker 1: to the risk of federal funding. I can only think

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Speaker 1: of one way you lose federal funding for investigating fraud.

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Speaker 1: You find the state itself is involved in the fraud.

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Speaker 1: That would be one way you could lose the federal funding.

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Speaker 1: Here's one more clip from the fraud hearing yesterday. Representative

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan, we had him on the show last week,

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Speaker 1: exposes the retaliation to the former Minnesota PD Scott dexter

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Speaker 1: Face from the Walls administration for investigating the fraud.

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Speaker 12: They ignored your recommendations. They called you a racist.

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Speaker 4: Right, correct?

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Speaker 2: Typical left.

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Speaker 12: I always say the left, Well, the left will tell

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Speaker 12: a lie, big media will report it.

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Speaker 4: You tell the truth.

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Speaker 2: They call your racist.

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Speaker 12: Exactly what happened here, so they ignore your recommendations, they

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Speaker 12: call your racist. But it even got worse than that.

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Speaker 12: You can imagine they started investigating you.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 19: Yes, we were uh interviewed by a outside firm for

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Speaker 19: a report given to the Office of Legislative Auditor.

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Speaker 2: What did that?

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Speaker 12: What did that? What did that? What did that report

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Speaker 12: look like? Would they say they call you race? What

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Speaker 12: the report said?

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Speaker 19: The report basically questioned our investigative tactics looked at how

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Speaker 19: our how how our unit was managed.

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Speaker 12: Even though you had twenty eight years experience in this

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Speaker 12: particular area, tips and whistleblowers came to you, even though

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Speaker 12: that was the whole catalyst for doing this correct.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, we're going to revisit the flash Bang family

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Speaker 1: hoax story. JD Vance will be in Minneapolis later on

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Speaker 1: today as well with ICE agents to show support. I'll

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Speaker 1: give you some details on that and we'll get back

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