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Speaker 3: And is this the event that will culminate.

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Speaker 4: Right now, the lower bowl of Target Center is you know,

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Speaker 4: Very peaceful, you know, I saw a minimal police presence,

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Speaker 1: And obviously, well, I say, obviously, there doesn't appear to

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: Not that I not that I have witnessed, not that

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Speaker 3: No, Wow, that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, and then once you get in, I guess it's

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Speaker 4: It's it's yeah, it's hard to know. I'm trying to

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Speaker 5: Until this is complete.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of people, a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: Did you did you cover earlier today? I probably not.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing giving you where you are. But there was

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Speaker 3: Do you know anything about that at all or how

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Speaker 4: I do know that there was a demonstration outside you know,

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Speaker 4: then there was, you know, something that moved into parking

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Speaker 4: But again that's all I have heard. I was not

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Speaker 1: One last item, I've got a text for a couple

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Speaker 5: You know, I didn't see that.

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Speaker 4: I know that this was a ticketed event. You know

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Speaker 3: Rob, I really appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: You got a million things to do, so thanks for

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Speaker 5: It is big.

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Speaker 4: This was considering the weather and the temperature. You didn't

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Speaker 5: I was, in fact after I was parked.

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Speaker 4: Right by the Commons there. You know, I got down

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Speaker 1: Great information. I appreciate the time very much. Robin will

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Thanks again, you bet, Thanks thank you. Rob Olsen.

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Speaker 1: Fox nine on the scene in what is a massive

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Speaker 1: I can't confirm that, but it wouldn't particularly surprise me

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Speaker 1: check in with Ben Guessling. We'll find out how far

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Speaker 1: Football League playoffs. Next Lavelle coming up at five thirty.

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Speaker 1: We're out at six today for hockey coverage on the fan. Right,

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Speaker 1: what's the matchup.

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Speaker 2: It's an Iowa Wild game that's right in Hastings, part

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Speaker 2: of Hockeyday Minnesota, Hockey Day Minnesota Weekend with Halvey and

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Speaker 2: Parker Fox on the call. I mean that's as good

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Speaker 2: as a guest. So that's why we're out a half

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Speaker 2: hour early Lavelle New Saturday for the Start to Beune

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Speaker 2: and joins at five thirty. You should get Guestling's opinion

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Speaker 2: on that as a former ball guy, right, I should?

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Speaker 2: I probably should.

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Speaker 1: Ben Guestling is with us now via the kineticot Water

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Speaker 1: and air Conditioning. So we're going to give Laval we

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Speaker 3: Weekend hot stove No, what did the Twins call it?

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Speaker 1: So they're making you know, the manager available, They're making

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Speaker 3: Is do something that will surprise us.

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Speaker 1: And there's a part of me that says, he's got

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Speaker 3: Know two things.

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Speaker 1: A we obviously know that's true and has been true

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Speaker 3: Do you understand what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: This is this kind of came out of nowhere to you.

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Speaker 1: This is from Brad to Ben to you. Last week

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Speaker 1: Was this actually New Orleans Vikings January twenty ten all

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Speaker 5: I mean I couldn't say that it certainly.

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Speaker 5: that is furthered. But yeah, he's had a couple of

443
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Speaker 5: pretty big wins go his way on that basis, And

444
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Speaker 5: I suppose he would be the one to say that

445
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 5: the past interference call that eventually led to the shortly

446
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Speaker 5: of reviewable path interference rule change with a call that

447
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 5: went against his team, I think in the year that

448
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 5: the Rams went to the Super Bowl. I think it

449
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 5: would have been the year after the Minneapolis miracle twenty eighteen.

450
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Speaker 5: But yeah, he's had a couple of those go his way.

451
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Speaker 5: So yeah, it has a little bit of that feel.

452
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Speaker 5: I mean, a guy that certainly Vikings fans have not

453
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Speaker 5: forgotten about very clearly benefit gets the benefit of a

454
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 5: similar set of circumstances. So yeah, there's some similarities there.

455
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Speaker 5: I would imagine most are not rooting for mister Peyton's club,

456
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 5: so we know.

457
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Speaker 3: The bruser this show is.

458
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Speaker 1: In fact, he is so anti Peyton that he's preparing.

459
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Speaker 1: He's so intent on preparing himself for Denver winning with

460
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Speaker 1: a quarterback that has no business playing that he's already

461
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Speaker 1: predicting Denver's gonna win so he won't be as devastated

462
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Speaker 1: when it actually comes true.

463
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Speaker 5: Am I just going for like the reverse Jinks or

464
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Speaker 5: just be friends?

465
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't even know.

466
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Speaker 1: I didn't think you were Jinks as much as you're

467
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Speaker 1: just then this is how you best e mostly prepare

468
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Speaker 1: yourself for that outcome.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm kind of hoping for the reverse Jinks,

470
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Speaker 2: but I'll be honest, I'd kind of forgotten about the

471
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Speaker 2: link of just ridiculous help from officials getting Sean Payton

472
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Speaker 2: to playoff victories as well. I totally blacked out on

473
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Speaker 2: the you know, pass interference call on Ben leeber surprise.

474
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Speaker 3: He know that deeper than you I know, And now

475
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Speaker 3: now I'm even more.

476
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Speaker 2: I've got more fear and loathing than I even did,

477
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Speaker 2: because that's right, that's part of the story.

478
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Speaker 3: Can't deny it. So then I.

479
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Speaker 5: Suppose you could have made the case that in twenty

480
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Speaker 5: nineteen when he had lost the playoff game to the Vikings,

481
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Speaker 5: that there may have been a slight push from Kyle

482
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Speaker 5: Rudolph on the overtime touchdown as well. So not that

483
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Speaker 5: we'd like to talk about good point with relative to

484
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Speaker 5: the Vikings and playoff games, but that was kind of.

485
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Speaker 1: I thought that that not even close. Yeah, he's gonna

486
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Speaker 1: he's not going to go for that because it's gonna

487
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Speaker 1: make Peyton look better. How about this idea?

488
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Speaker 2: So guards he is proven right, Denver wins.

489
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Speaker 3: Let's know, I want to change that a little.

490
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Speaker 1: Let's say Denver wins twenty seven to twenty a shootout.

491
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Speaker 1: Stidham is brilliant, and the Vikings have their quarterback to

492
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Speaker 1: go compete with JJ McCarthy for training camp next to

493
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Speaker 1: next August.

494
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Speaker 5: There you go, Sean Payton could be the guy that

495
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Speaker 5: delivers the the next great passer to Kevin O'connwell, I

496
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Speaker 5: suppose you can't rule it out.

497
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Speaker 3: No, you can't rlate anything out, all right? Can you

498
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Speaker 3: rule out?

499
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Speaker 1: Is it just about is the clock getting perilously close

500
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Speaker 1: to twelve for Brian Flores when it comes to getting

501
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Speaker 1: a head coaching job in this cycle?

502
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is. I mean, I think the

503
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Speaker 5: fact that he signed the contract certainly is with regard

504
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Speaker 5: to the offer of the Vikings made. My understanding is

505
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Speaker 5: they were going to go after him pretty financially and

506
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Speaker 5: make it worth his while and make him one of

507
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 5: the top paid defensive coordinators in the league. But yeah,

508
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: I think this cycle, I mean, the Steelers are probably

509
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 5: his best chance at this point. I haven't thought that

510
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Speaker 5: that's probably gonna happen. I think there's been teams that

511
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Speaker 5: have looked at him and teams that have wanted to

512
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Speaker 5: for reasons that we've talked about with the scheme, and

513
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 5: people are interested in what he's doing. He's been inventive,

514
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 5: he's been, you know, kind of cutting edge in a

515
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 5: lot of ways around the NFL. But the head coaching

516
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 5: discussion comes down to more than that. Obviously, It's how

517
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Speaker 5: we leave the whole organization. How will you handle the

518
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Speaker 5: quarterback position, which is going to be a question for

519
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 5: the Steelers certainly as they go forward. So I would

520
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 5: tend to think it's more likely than not that he's

521
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 5: back here in Minnesota next year because obviously the contract

522
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Speaker 5: is signed, and I don't think his head coaching prospects

523
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 5: are good enough that it will result in him getting

524
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Speaker 5: a job here. At this point, I think it's probably

525
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Speaker 5: more likely that being a really good coordinator is, you know,

526
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Speaker 5: at least the immediate future for him. We'll see if

527
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 5: any of that changes down the road, but I think

528
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 5: that's probably where we're going to end up in the

529
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 5: fact that he did the contract, and the Vikings made

530
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Speaker 5: the move that they did, and they had been trying

531
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Speaker 5: to get this done for a while, but the fact

532
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Speaker 5: that he signed it, I think is an acknowledgment of

533
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 5: the fact that the offer was good and it's something

534
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 5: he wanted to sign. Barring a head coaching opportunity, I

535
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 5: think it will be the one he ends up coaching

536
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Speaker 5: under next year.

537
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Speaker 1: All right, let me get to an item that you're

538
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: well aware of. I'm sure that we at least touched

539
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: on earlier in the show. Apparently, former Vikings assistant Mike Petton,

540
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: who I think, once upon a time was head coach

541
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Speaker 1: in Cleveland, apparently was on his show's first job.

542
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: There you go, that's a good point.

543
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Speaker 1: He was on a show called The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show,

544
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Speaker 1: and he apparently said, I guess what must have been

545
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: asked you know, any thoughts on you know, B Flow,

546
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Speaker 1: And his answer was not many that I would prefer

547
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: to share. I mean, we didn't see eye to eye

548
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of things. That's why I spent this

549
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: past year on offense. I was there on defense twenty

550
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Speaker 1: three and twenty four. I'll take the high road on

551
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: that one. Did that surprise you?

552
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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: Again, it doesn't necessarily have to be an indictment, a

554
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: blemish on Bflow's record. It could be a personality conflict.

555
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: Things like this happen, but it was I think it

556
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Speaker 1: did raise some eyebrows. This's kind of interesting, Petton, being

557
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: that direct. Did that come as a surprise to you

558
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: or do you have any knowledge that there might be

559
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of a schism there?

560
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, i'd heard some things. I mean I was. I mean,

561
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Speaker 5: the fact that he was as direct as he was

562
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 5: is probably unusual. I mean, you don't see guys now

563
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 5: go quite that far or even I mean kind of

564
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Speaker 5: the no comment in the way that he did it,

565
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: he didn't leave a lot of, you know, room to

566
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 5: be uncertain about why he was giving a no comment.

567
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 5: But yeah, I knew there were there were some things

568
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 5: there behind the scenes, and I think some of that

569
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: is you got a couple of coaches who are a

570
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 5: pretty strong willed then the way they do things, and

571
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 5: certainly Brian Flores has people that have worked well with

572
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 5: him and people that probably haven't. So yeah, I think

573
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 5: some of that was was in the mix over the

574
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Speaker 5: last year or so and they moved him to kind

575
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Speaker 5: of that offensive role he really had been he came

576
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 5: in initially in twenty two. Is this kind of head

577
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 5: coaching surrogate or head coaching a guy that could help

578
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 5: do some of the head coach functions when Kevin O'Connell

579
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 5: needed to go do the CEO type things. I mean

580
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 5: O'Connell wanted to coach that could run a meeting, could

581
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 5: do some of the head coach type functions when O'Connell

582
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 5: was pulled to go meet with the marketing department or

583
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: go have to talk to ownership, all of the things

584
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 5: that a head coach has to do in the modern game.

585
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 5: He wanted somebody that had been through that the understood

586
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 5: it and could sort of give him either by you know,

587
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 5: standing in for doing some of those jobs or being

588
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 5: able to do some of that stuff around the organization,

589
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 5: so that O'Connell could kind of close his door. I

590
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 5: remember talking to Patton about this. He said, I want

591
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 5: Kevin to have his time where he can just close

592
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 5: his door and grind film and not have to worry

593
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 5: about any of the other stuff, because I've been a

594
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 5: head coach and I how to handle it. So that

595
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 5: was how he came in and then eventually had to

596
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 5: take over with the linebackers when Mike Smith I think

597
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 5: stepped away from the team. So there was a couple

598
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 5: of years of that, and then moved back to this

599
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 5: kind of defensive line on the offensive side of the

600
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 5: ball roll this year. But yeah, I mean I think

601
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 5: some of that was because, as he said, the tension

602
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 5: with Flora's and the tension with the relationships, So I mean,

603
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 5: he's this is not an unknown thing with Brian Flora says.

604
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 5: The tech people say, it's a known issue in terms

605
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 5: of he's a guy that wants it done a certain

606
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 5: way and that doesn't click with everybody. Obviously, he's been

607
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 5: incredibly successful doing what he does, but yeah, not everybody's

608
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 5: going to work probably as copathetically with him as you

609
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 5: might with other coaches. So yeah, there was some stuff there,

610
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 5: and I think it's part of the reason that you

611
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: had to figure out what this was going to look

612
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 5: like going forward. But yeah, it's one of those things

613
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: that it's kind of worth understanding and part of the

614
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 5: relationship there. But yeah, I think the way he's gone

615
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: about it, he knows what he wants, he knows how

616
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 5: he sees things and what he wants to have things

617
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 5: look like, and there is I think a reason he's

618
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 5: pretty staunched on a lot of the things he believes.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get a short pause in now, do

620
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Speaker 3: we need one to get caught up?

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Speaker 1: I think we do. We'll get more with Ben. We'll

622
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more. My phone bank. This phone

623
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Speaker 1: is just not working. Guards if you can put him

624
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: on hold, I don't know what the issue is, but

625
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: we got several more minutes. If you've got questions for Ben,

626
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: passed him along to us over get Lavell Top five

627
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Speaker 1: at five yet to come Top five at five At

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Speaker 1: the top of the hour, as usual, we will review

629
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Speaker 1: Minnesota wild of hockey and Timberwolves hoops and who knows

630
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: what else with Guardsy Lavelle at five thirty will keep

631
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Speaker 1: an eye on the demonstrations huge thousands upon thousands down

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Speaker 1: to Minneapolis heading into Target Center as we chatted with

633
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Speaker 1: Rob Olson of Fox nine who was on the scene

634
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: reporting talking to him just before Ben joined us. So

635
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Speaker 1: all that will be part of the festivities the rest

636
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Speaker 1: of the way. We're wrapping up today a half hour

637
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: early at six o'clock. If you have a couple questions

638
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: for Ben, six eighty six is the Brad Shawn Bryant

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Speaker 1: k FA and text line Ben Back indeed with us

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00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: brought to you by Standard Heating and Air Conditioning. You know,

641
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about what the next step is

642
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: at at quarterback. Were if we think it's a given

643
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: that they're going to add a more vital piece as

644
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: potentially a backup or even as maybe a starter than

645
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: a year ago, it's threading the needle right is going

646
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: to be the challenge, like who represents who represents the

647
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback that you know they might be thinking

648
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: could fit the bill. If McCarthy is hurt again or

649
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: if he struggles let's say in training camp, and that's

650
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: going to be it's hard, especially if b Flow does

651
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: come back. That's going to suck up all the oxygen

652
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: right either, There's other issues for this team again are

653
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: they going to remake the offensive line one more time,

654
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: do they need to restart there again, or you know

655
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: a couple of other positions where they're going to need

656
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: help if Harrison Smith goes follows through with retirement. But

657
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback thing's going to suck up a lot of

658
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: the oxygen, isn't it.

659
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it certainly is. It'll suck up a lot of

660
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Speaker 5: the a oxygen and the conversation are on the team.

661
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 5: I think there's's probably no doubt about that. And the

662
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: thing they will have to do is figure out how

663
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 5: to address the other issues while giving plenty of time

664
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 5: to handle the quarterback. I mean that's going to be

665
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure Kevin O'Connell will spend a lot

666
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: of time figuring out the quarterback and figuring out how

667
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 5: all of that fits together. But yeah, you've got probably

668
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 5: running back, I would think some help maybe a little

669
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 5: bit of depth there. I certainly wide receiver. There's going

670
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 5: to be decisions to make with Jalen Naylor hitting free agency.

671
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 5: You have to figure out what you're going to do

672
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 5: with Jordan Addison long term. You know, a lot of

673
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 5: those things have to get decided, and then you have

674
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 5: CAF issues too, which may affect guys like TJ. Hockinson,

675
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 5: Javon Hargrave. And there's a lot of things to address

676
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 5: this offseason and a lot of draft picks that they

677
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 5: have to work with, which is different than the last

678
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 5: couple of years. But yes, I mean, I think the

679
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 5: quarterback approach will determine a lot of it because you

680
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 5: have to have somebody that you're behind. You have to

681
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 5: have somebody that I think veterans say, yeah, I can

682
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 5: come in. I think this guy gives us a good

683
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 5: chance to win. I think as they're going through free agency,

684
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 5: people will be watching what they do with the position

685
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 5: and kind of taking some cues from that. And then

686
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 5: when it's as expensive as it is, and this is

687
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 5: a team that has some salary caps strates to deal

688
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 5: with this year, how aggressive you get at that spot

689
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: will probably have a lot to do with how much

690
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 5: you feel like you can spend. So yes, I mean

691
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 5: it's going to be a big piece of the offseason,

692
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 5: as it has tended to be. But yeah, there's a

693
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 5: lot that they have to get figured out in conjunction

694
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 5: with that.

695
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: You know, people tend to maybe you know, their eyes

696
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: glaze over when there's talk about the offensive line coach,

697
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: because people like to talk about that as much as

698
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: they do offensive line. Well, unless the offensive line doesn't

699
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: protect properly, and then the offensive line, as it has

700
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: in this town for many years, gets a lot of attention.

701
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: So is the offensive the decision to not renew or

702
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: I guess extend. Let the current or the former offensive

703
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: line coach go, is this a classic case of all right,

704
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: somebody's got to take a fall. Is there something that

705
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: we can look at that indicates we needed to make

706
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: a change here?

707
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 3: What do we make of that decision?

708
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 5: Well? Yeah, I mean I think some of it is

709
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 5: they've been struggling in that area long enough that you say, okay,

710
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 5: we've tried to change a lot of the other pieces

711
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 5: with players, and certainly they've changed a lot of the

712
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 5: players in that group. And if it's not working and

713
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 5: ultimately has to be about coaching or you know, you

714
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 5: at least have to consider that variable. So there's probably

715
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 5: an element of it needed to be somebody else there.

716
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 5: But I think when you look at guys that they

717
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 5: brought in, Guys like Will Fries, guys like Ryan Kelly,

718
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 5: I mean, Kelly was hurt quite a bit, but Fries

719
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: struggling to the degree that he did. I think in

720
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 5: past protection they expected him to be better than he was,

721
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 5: and it certainly did not seem like they got the

722
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 5: type of return on the first year of that contract

723
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 5: that they would have expected, where you're again having issues

724
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 5: with pressure up the middle, you're having issues with what

725
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 5: blitz pickups are going to be smooth. I mean, they

726
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 5: have a lot of those same problems this year that

727
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 5: they have in previous years. So maybe you start to say, Okay,

728
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: if the player we brought in has succeeded in other

729
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 5: places to the point where he earned an eighty eight

730
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 5: million dollar contract, maybe it has something to do with

731
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 5: the way he's being coached. And I think a lot

732
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: of those things with that interior. I mean, that was

733
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 5: the reason they said we need to spend so much

734
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 5: money on fixing this line because of how bad that

735
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 5: interior was at the end of twenty four. Obviously, when

736
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 5: they give up nine sacks in that playoff game against

737
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 5: the Rams and they get bounced in the first round.

738
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 5: So I think a lot of what they do from

739
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 5: here is probably saying, who can we get that allows

740
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 5: the guards and the center to work better together. Probably

741
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 5: let's pick up pass protection, who's taking whom? I mean

742
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 5: a lot of those things working in conject with a

743
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 5: running back as well. They've had a lot of trouble

744
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 5: in that area, and I think teams have seen they

745
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 5: can pick on the middle of that group. And the

746
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 5: quarterback certainly plays into this too. And you have to

747
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 5: have a quarterback that is able to set protections, able

748
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 5: to protect themselves, able to get rid of the ball.

749
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 5: All of that plays into this. This is not just

750
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 5: a one person fixed, but I think when it's been

751
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 5: that consistent of a problem and they've spent as much

752
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 5: money on players as they have, I think it does

753
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 5: become something where you say, all right, let's see if

754
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 5: there's another approach to this. Maybe somebody else has a

755
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 5: different coaching technique that they want to use, or a

756
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 5: different style of blocking and a different style of assignments

757
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 5: and how you pass things off. All of those kinds

758
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 5: of things can play into maybe the performance next year.

759
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 5: So I think a lot of this seemed inevitable. I mean,

760
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 5: that was one of the spots that you figured if

761
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 5: somebody is going to get moved from this staff, Chris Cooper,

762
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 5: he's probably got a pretty good chance to be that guy,

763
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 5: just because it had been a problem long enough that

764
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 5: it seemed like it wasn't something they could delay addressing

765
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 5: that much longer.

766
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: That do you think we'll get a replacement soon or

767
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: where's that stand?

768
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: Do you have any idea?

769
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 5: Well, I think you know, the floor is thing was

770
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 5: the first thing they had to get figured out. Now

771
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 5: that that's done, I think you probably start to look

772
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 5: at some of those options. As the offensive line coaching

773
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 5: ranks kind of get filtered out here. I mean some

774
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 5: of this stuff. Coaches are assessing options, and I'm sure

775
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell is working through his rolodex, which is pretty significant.

776
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 5: He knows a lot of people are in the league,

777
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 5: especially given how many teams run a similar scheme to

778
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: what the Vikings do, So I think he's probably working

779
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 5: to the list. But you also have a lot of

780
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 5: coaches that are sitting there looking at how all of

781
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 5: these head coaching staffs get worked out, because as that happens,

782
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 5: then offensive coordinators get filled out and position coaches get

783
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 5: filled out. So you probably have a lot of candidates

784
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 5: at the moment who are saying I have a few

785
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 5: different options to sort through and it's a matter of say,

786
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 5: do I want to take this now or is there

787
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 5: possibility that, you know, maybe I end up in a

788
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 5: better spot to move up or a better spot to

789
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 5: have a larger role right away. I think that ends

790
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 5: up playing into some of these things. But I would

791
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 5: imagine we'll see something in the next week or two here,

792
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 5: because they have to get that figured out as they

793
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: started the offseason. I mean, the draft prep process is

794
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 5: not far away. The Senior Bowl is only a week away,

795
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 5: and then it kind of goes from there. So it's

796
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 5: not just working with the current roster. It's figuring out

797
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 5: what you want to do for next year. And then

798
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 5: they're going to have decisions to make on more depth

799
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 5: guys than starters. But you have one on Ryan Kelly,

800
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 5: you have one on guys like justin school if you're

801
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 5: going to bring him back. So they'll want another offensive

802
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 5: line coach to be involved in all of those decisions

803
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 5: and weigh in on those things. So I would think

804
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 5: they would try to get that done probably in the

805
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 5: next week or two, so that you can kind of

806
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 5: move on with the rest of the off season.

807
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: Now you know who this show is rooting for. We

808
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: believe there's only one choice. He's probably a lot long shot,

809
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: but shouldn't be Mike Tye. We want Tye back. There's

810
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: still there's still more juice in him. I guarantee it.

811
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm convinced of it.

812
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 5: Do you want to do it?

813
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he does. But doesn't mean you can't.

814
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: You know, he might answer the phone. Who's to say, well,

815
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: that's what.

816
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 5: He does, head coach, that the Mike Pitton roll that

817
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 5: just got vacated. Now there you go there, You know

818
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 5: you can't roll it out. It would be an outfit,

819
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 5: but it would be be a lot of fun.

820
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: He's he represents a different style, but maybe that wouldn't

821
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: be Maybe that wouldn't be the worst thing for KOs

822
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: to mix that part of it up as well. So

823
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: I'll text him see if he has any interest in

824
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: the job, because I always thought that's what he did best.

825
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: I always thought he was a hell of an offensive

826
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: line coach, that that's.

827
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: Really what he was.

828
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they have struggled at that spot for a

829
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 5: long time, and I can correct, you know, Jeff Davidson

830
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 5: being here and Mike Dimmer getting rid of him, and

831
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 5: then obviously Tony's Berano was kind of a cog in

832
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 5: that offense and tragically away before the twenty eighteen season.

833
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 5: I believe it was. But yeah, I mean they've gone

834
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 5: through a number of different guys in that spot, and

835
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 5: they've had a lot of trouble with continuity in that spot.

836
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 5: So yeah, if you get a guy that's got a

837
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 5: resume that's done it before, I mean, you can't really

838
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 5: anything out. I suppose it would be be quite the

839
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 5: homecoming for Tice, but yeah, it's give us something to

840
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 5: talk about for a while, So room for that.

841
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: How many miles did you run in minus fifty wind

842
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: show this morning?

843
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 5: I did not run this morning.

844
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: I have been.

845
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 5: I've been going treadmill the last couple of days. Did

846
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 5: a big workout last night.

847
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: That Wow, that's this. I'm gobsmacked, I thought you.

848
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 5: But it's been more of the ice than the temperature. Okay,

849
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 5: it's the road. I've got the cleats, but some of

850
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 5: it is when it's what you're trying to get in.

851
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 5: If you're just trying to get miles in, that's fine,

852
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 5: but I was trying to get a little more quality

853
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 5: in last night. So we want treadmill just so the

854
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 5: footing was all right, Yeah, there's there's places for it.

855
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 5: I'll probably get out this weekend and gets it can

856
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 5: be kind of one in the late afternoon sunshine on

857
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 5: the winter time. It's just because what you're trying to do.

858
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: This, I'm devastated. I'm shocked.

859
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think I'm shocked because of the stubbornness

860
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: of guestling.

861
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Exactly.

862
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: You were worried about your base and balance is what

863
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: I'm gathering on the base balance and pros based balance.

864
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 5: Body position was you know, your equilibrium side together. It's

865
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 5: not just for football players. You got to do all

866
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 5: tho things well.

867
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: Your neurological pathways on the ice, you were concerned about.

868
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: Those, and there's that.

869
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: I thought you would literally be the last guy, yeah,

870
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: still running really literally in the Twin Cities. If anybody

871
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: would still do it just because he could, I thought

872
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: it might be you.

873
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 3: I didn't even know you had a tread well. I

874
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: didn't either.

875
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean when you want to go over,

876
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 5: I mean last night was six by a mile at

877
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 5: probably six fifteen pace or something minute and a half recovery.

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Speaker 5: So when you're trying to do that, yeah, and the

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Speaker 5: cold and ice is a little harder to do. You've

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Speaker 5: got to be reasonable sometimes.

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Speaker 1: And even you have decided to concede that much to

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Speaker 1: the great Icenamy.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate. As always, we'll be in touch next week.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Ben, you thanks, And if I get out

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Speaker 5: this week and I'll make sure I send you a pick.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, please do for sure, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: You can count on it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Ben. All right. Thanks Ben.

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Speaker 1: Guestling Star Tribune and a weekly contributor to the Bumper

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Speaker 1: to Bumper program for oh so many years. We're a

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Speaker 1: little late for Top five and five, which will include

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Speaker 3: Big Wild win and a disappointing Wolves loss.