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Speaker 1: Hope you're doing well. Back half of the week upon

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Speaker 1: high school sports in Ohio, a new law could block

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Speaker 1: key points real quick here Ohio, we are one of

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Speaker 1: And the way the new proposal would work if passed

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Speaker 1: We had testimony from Steve Speck, who is a coach

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Speaker 1: the co sponsor of this piece of legislation, That would

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Speaker 1: be the esteemed Representative Adam Byrd out of New Richmond

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Speaker 1: this morning on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: How are you, Sonny.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be with you. We've had a busy

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I look at this, and you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: Well that's a great point, but if you take a

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Speaker 3: they did it because OHSAA was asking them to, and

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's I don't think that we should

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I guess the current flame. Well, let me

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned at all this with our student athletes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good point on that, And I have two points

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Speaker 1: Gotcha? Do they go? What does getting it right look like?

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Speaker 1: But this would be an outright ban on all of

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Speaker 1: Well, how is someone charging the sea for their services

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not talking about the fact that they get

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, if that's the case, so why not just

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Speaker 1: If a I don't know. Okay, So let's not talk

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Speaker 1: Well, God bless America. If you can get that money,

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Speaker 3: No? No, we're trying to protect what we have. And

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Speaker 1: the cohesion problem right there, isn't it. If you say, hey,

433
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Speaker 1: you can't make money off your nameagine license and you are,

434
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Speaker 1: let's face, at the top of the town, especially in

435
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, maybe smaller communities, especially because you are literally

436
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Speaker 1: the biggest star in the city and you're sixteen seventeen

437
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 1: years old, that's okay if you're going to look at

438
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: that person and go, wow, I'm jealous, and it's unfair

439
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 1: they get the playing time at all recognition. It's the

440
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 1: old it's the old construct about you know, the head

441
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: of the cheerleading squad and the captain of the football team.

442
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 1: Day right, mister and missus most popular. Yeah, the doors

443
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: are going to open for you're gonna get treated differently.

444
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: There's parents, there's teachers, there's people, there's teammates that are

445
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: going to if you're the superstar, maybe they want to

446
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 1: hang around you that someday you go, hey, you know

447
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: I used to put you know, you know Joe Burrow. Yeah,

448
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: I played with him in high school. He's on my team.

449
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: Oh cool, Well, kids want to be around that, and

450
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Speaker 1: I guess too. The flip side of this is a

451
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: kid who lands in nil deal becomes more invested and

452
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: more visible and more accountable for a public brand. And

453
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Speaker 1: I think that can strengthen commitment to a team, not

454
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Speaker 1: weaken it. Like you can get stuff done if you

455
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Speaker 1: have that kind of juice, which is good for all

456
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Speaker 1: your team mates. I think, really what we have here,

457
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 1: and once again it's the hierarchical society. You know, the

458
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: cohesion argument is going to stroy a team collesion. To me,

459
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: it's really about control. So who loses control when athletes

460
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 1: gain economic agency when they have agency? Well, the schools do,

461
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: the system does, the coaches do, And you know, we

462
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: don't like that. But the idea that it destroys team cohesion,

463
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Speaker 1: I just I don't buy that and you know, all

464
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Speaker 1: due respect to those who testify because they are professionals

465
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Speaker 1: in the field. But tell me I'm wrong. It's it's

466
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Speaker 1: about control. It's not about trying to protect team integrity.

467
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Speaker 1: My god. You know it's a high school volleyball team

468
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: or you know football, and you know we live or

469
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: die by sports. Sure, but that's that's something that we created.

470
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Speaker 1: Is consumers. That's not the case. If the kid can

471
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Speaker 1: profit from that, they should profit from it because we

472
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Speaker 1: created the whole environment the allowed that to happen. It's

473
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Speaker 1: funny because the schools are going to put you know,

474
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Speaker 1: Mason High School. My kids went there, and you know,

475
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: you've got fireworks, you've got home and away uniforms. It's

476
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: a big deal because it's a big school. But you're

477
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: the ones who created that environment where it's ultra competitive

478
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: and you know you want to be perfect and win

479
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: all your games and okay, well this is just an

480
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: extension of what it is you want in the first place.

481
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: It gives you out if you can hang I guarantee.

482
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Speaker 1: You know, you drive by high school and they've got

483
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Speaker 1: the banners of the senior baseball players up, basketball players football,

484
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: right like if if Joe Burrow went to your high school.

485
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Speaker 1: If Lebron Lebron James High School an accurate I guarantee

486
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Speaker 1: you they've got all sorts of things saying, hey, Lebron

487
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: went to school here. Isn't that exploiting the name image

488
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Speaker 1: of the likeness of the same person you want to

489
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Speaker 1: prevent from exploiting their image and likeness. It's it's it's

490
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Speaker 1: a laughable argument. In Centerville, Denny first up on the

491
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Speaker 1: show on seven hundred w W high been.

492
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Speaker 7: That's going this morning?

493
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Speaker 1: What's up?

494
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Speaker 7: Well on the nil for high school? I think you

495
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 7: have to look at what it's done in the college level,

496
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Speaker 7: especially football. You know, every Saturday afternoon when you're watching

497
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Speaker 7: the game, you hear about, well, this quarterback here this year,

498
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 7: but last year he was at this college the year

499
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 7: before that year college. So that's that's the that's the

500
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Speaker 7: part of problem is college it's tough I think for

501
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Speaker 7: for coaches. I think it's tough for everybody.

502
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Speaker 3: Uh N.

503
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Speaker 8: I l.

504
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Speaker 7: Comes down to the fact when you put that in

505
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Speaker 7: kids Weston is not at the school, But how much

506
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 7: money can I make and how much time do I

507
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 7: get to play? And then the other problem is going

508
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Speaker 7: from one school to the other, which somebody brought up

509
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Speaker 7: about the kid in date Wayne High School that started.

510
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Speaker 3: This with suit.

511
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Well, now he.

512
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Speaker 7: Is going up to Big Walnut, which is North US

513
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 7: And the reason he's going there is he's one hundred

514
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Speaker 7: miles away from Wayne, so he does not have to

515
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Speaker 7: sit out the last half of the season and not

516
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Speaker 7: participate in postseason games because he's that far away, right,

517
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Speaker 7: And now they're just more money. Now you can take

518
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Speaker 7: that locally. Let's say you've got a kid who's a

519
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 7: great linebacker at Caft High School, great linebacker, he's a freshman,

520
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Speaker 7: and you've got you people.

521
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Speaker 1: With money at Edwin Hills, yep.

522
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Speaker 7: And they approach that family and say, look, why don't

523
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Speaker 7: you come out here. We'll put you up in an apartment.

524
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Speaker 7: We'll pay you big bucks right there, yep.

525
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Speaker 1: And that's just and it's going on right now. I mean,

526
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Speaker 1: that's been going on for a long time. That happens

527
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Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati, it happens in Dayton, it happens all

528
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Speaker 1: over the country. It's happening right now.

529
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Speaker 7: But when but when that is, when that is discovered,

530
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Speaker 7: then there's penalties to pay.

531
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what they don't. Here's the thing.

532
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Speaker 1: You could find that at all these PURTI you could

533
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Speaker 1: find that. But my question is, I right, well, how

534
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Speaker 1: hard are you looking? I don't think they're looking that

535
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: hard any because it upsets the system. They haven't played.

536
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Speaker 7: Oh Ohio High School is a skeletal crew up there.

537
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Speaker 7: I mean, they don't.

538
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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? They don't. They don't

539
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Speaker 1: when I'm looking at the rocks. They don't want to.

540
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Speaker 1: You know, you've got your member schools. You don't want to.

541
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Speaker 1: You don't want to piss people off. I mean, these

542
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: are you know, the parents and the boosters are what

543
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: we're talking about here.

544
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Speaker 7: And they don't have money. And you talk about school

545
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 7: systems making money. Yeah on a football player. I mean

546
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Speaker 7: you figure what it costs to come into a high

547
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Speaker 7: school football game. Eight eight dollars. There's not a lot

548
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Speaker 7: of there's not a lot of revenue there for that school. No.

549
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Speaker 1: But but but you know what, I think there's an

550
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Speaker 1: element of prestige they benefit from because is if you

551
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: have a first round draft pick, that kid's banner is

552
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: going to be They're going to use that all over

553
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: the place for marketing. It's you know, maybe they're not.

554
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: You're going, well, how are they profiting from it? Yeah,

555
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: but it's again you're using their name injus and likeness.

556
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: You're benefiting from it and they're not. That's I think,

557
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: ultimately what I have the problem with. Hey takes the call.

558
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: Tony opens up a line at five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,

559
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: eight hundred, the big one.

560
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Speaker 8: You know.

561
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing is okay, well just go college.

562
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: You'll look at the call, you know, I mean, what

563
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: under minds the whole argument is, and this is because

564
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: of me and you just the money's flowing. The NCAA

565
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: and member schools. They generate in excess of nineteen billion

566
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: dollars a year in total affect or revenue. And this

567
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: is across all all divisions. And of course, you know,

568
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: the power five control a majority of that. You know,

569
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: Ohio State is like two hundred and fifty million in

570
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: revenue from you know, the gaming right, the whole thing

571
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Speaker 1: that that's that's an incredible amount of money. And you know, okay,

572
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: is that a lot less than high school?

573
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Speaker 7: Sure?

574
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: It is, absolutely it is. But we used to talk

575
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: about college athletics. Oh my gosh, it's the last chance

576
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: to be an amateur, and there wasn't. I mean, schools

577
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: are making huge money off these guys and girls and

578
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 1: none of what's coming back down. I mean, legitimately, it's

579
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: an issue of fairness, Like, wait a minute, I'm making

580
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: you all this money, and I think you should also

581
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: factor in that college degree as well, that you're getting

582
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: education that should go towards your salary, so to speak,

583
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: with money you're making. But you know, tell me I

584
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: can't sell a jersey. I can't, I can't. You know, Hey,

585
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: it's the Ohio State that was so silly. You know

586
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: I won a bowl game. I always told my jersey.

587
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: I'm in trouble for that. Wait, wait, what you're making

588
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: like nineteen billion dollars. Ohio State's making two hundred and

589
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. They're paving the athletic facilites of gold

590
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: bricks for crying out loud, and you're telling me, the

591
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: guy who got them there, that you can't get anything.

592
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: It's just so silly. Well, no, you're an amateur. Yeah,

593
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: you're an age. They want you to be an amateur

594
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: so they can keep all the money. Money. It's just

595
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: it makes no sense and natural. This is gonna translate

596
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: down to high school. Now, you know we're talking about

597
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: this and it just it affects such a small percentage

598
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: of kids, you know, your typical student athlete. What are

599
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: you gonna get? You know, in rural Ohio, the local

600
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: whippy dip is gonna we'll give you unlimited whippy, We'll

601
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: give you unlimited softies and you when you need some smoothie. Okay, fine, yeah,

602
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: we'll do that. That's you know you're gonna get. You

603
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: make it a little. Maybe it's a local car dealership.

604
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna give you, what, five hundred bucks a month

605
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: maybe something like that. Any agent gets twenty percent of that, Okay?

606
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: Is that life changing money? No, it's pocket money, is

607
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: what it is. Why, well, who's that hurting? It's destroying

608
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: the fabric of the team. Oh my god, God, the

609
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: pearl clutching with this is just it's too much. It's

610
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: simply too much. You know, we got March Madness coming up,

611
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: and the TV deal with them is what over a

612
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: billion a billion dollars a year. I mean, that's that's insane.

613
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: And you're telling me can't have a percentage of that?

614
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Speaker 5: Now?

615
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Speaker 1: Is it a lot less or high school? Sure? What

616
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: are You're streaming some things and maybe some of the

617
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: bigger schools get on cable or access or you know,

618
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: maybe that will be monetized in the future. But you know,

619
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Speaker 1: if my kid had a god given ability through work

620
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: or otherwise and they're going to wind out if they

621
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: can get money for that, it's you know, it's a

622
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: free market. It's Republicans so specially we talk about the

623
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: free market, the free market. Well, this is a free market, like, yeah,

624
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: but it's going to ruin things.

625
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 9: Who is it?

626
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Speaker 1: What's it ruining exactly? It just I don't know. It

627
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: feels like it is a it feels like it's in

628
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: solution in search of a problem when you look at

629
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Speaker 1: the great impact of this whole thing at five point

630
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Speaker 1: three seven four nine, seven thousand. Let me roll with

631
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Speaker 1: Alex and Mason next on the Scotsland Show.

632
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Speaker 4: Alex, what's up, good morning, Scott, thanks for taking my call.

633
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

634
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Speaker 4: I think is you know, it's a unique and.

635
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Speaker 9: A great situation when a keyid can allow and have

636
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Speaker 9: the opportunity to allow himself and his stamming to have

637
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 9: an opportunity for a better school, better situation, and it's

638
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 9: just like you know what I'm saying in the NCAA's

639
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 9: they want to go out to the they want to

640
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 9: target the kids for making all this money. But nobody

641
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 9: want to say anything about these conferences. Who are are

642
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 9: going taking these these schools out of them, out of

643
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 9: alignments and making these power conferences and create these huge

644
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 9: TV rights and these huge TV deals and so forth,

645
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Speaker 9: making billions and.

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Speaker 4: Nobody talking about that. But like you said, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, we created it, We created all this.

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Speaker 9: And these schools, you know what I'm saying, they get

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Speaker 9: together and create these these powerfiul conferences. They pull Big

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Speaker 9: twelve schools and put them in their se sue, put

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Speaker 9: them in the in the in the uh big ten

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Speaker 9: and create these power conferences for what So they can

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Speaker 9: generate more.

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Speaker 1: Money and more well, and the thing they want to

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Speaker 1: protect the money and you know, for high schools and

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Speaker 1: the money thing's interesting and I think it's in particular

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Speaker 1: where we talk about this is just with athletes. But okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you're in a high school band,

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Speaker 1: right and you're really really really good, and like you've

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Speaker 1: got a recording contract, or somebody's a YouTube or Instagram

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Speaker 1: or TikTok influencer and they're making incredible money. Should schools

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Speaker 1: kick them out of I don't know, business class or

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Speaker 1: music class because they're professionals and especially you know he

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Speaker 1: mentioned the Olympics. Hell, look a look at the hockey team.

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Speaker 1: They're professionals. Already. We were allowing professionals to play in

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Speaker 1: the Olympics, and it makes it gets more eyes on

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Speaker 1: the Olympics. What's wrong with that?

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Speaker 9: Scott is Also you look at sports like baseball and

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Speaker 9: tennis and golf.

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Speaker 4: These high school.

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Speaker 9: Kids are good enough now that they can play in

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Speaker 9: they can get endorsements, and they do get endorsements, right,

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Speaker 9: and they get pro contracts and some get get drafted,

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Speaker 9: but they don't who the eligibility.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it makes absolutely no Like look at

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Speaker 1: Charlie Woods. I'm not quite sure where Charlie Woods goes.

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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods son and great golfer and all that, but like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's at high school, probably a private high school.

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Speaker 1: But like, how many people are interested in that school?

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Speaker 1: Are sending their kid to school there because well that's

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Speaker 1: where Charlie Woods went and they've got a great golf program.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they do, Maybe they aren't no, but it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a lure for them, isn't it correct?

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Speaker 4: They use it as advertising.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, maybe we transferred to

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Speaker 1: the district to be able to do that. Hey, Alex,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the call. I appreciated A five one three, seven,

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Speaker 1: four nine, seven thousand. Over to Alisa in Westchester. Next

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Speaker 1: on the show, Good morning, Good morning, what's up? What

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Speaker 1: do you got?

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Speaker 10: So there's so many different layers. There's so many different

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Speaker 10: layers to this money that's being dispersed. Number one, these

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Speaker 10: kids are going to school, probably for free.

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Speaker 5: And in my.

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Speaker 10: Opinion, you know, based on some of the interviews that

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Speaker 10: these athletes are doing, you know, whether they're in college

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Speaker 10: or whether they're pro they can't even conduct a conversation.

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Speaker 10: They can't have a an educated conversation. So are they

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Speaker 10: being pushed through the system that they're getting free education

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Speaker 10: for now we're going to give them money.

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Speaker 8: On top of that.

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Speaker 10: But hey, guess what, the guy who's just going to

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Speaker 10: that college because he wants to go to that college

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Speaker 10: has to pay a lot more money because he's got

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Speaker 10: to pay for these other people and you know, use

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Speaker 10: the money for the college.

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Speaker 1: Well, they kind of I mean again, this is more

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Speaker 1: of a This is more of a you know, the

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Speaker 1: Power five conference where they were, you know, Ohio statementson

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Speaker 1: makes like a quarter million, that's all. That's a lot

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Speaker 1: of money, right, Yeah, I mean I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: But it's kind of always been that way that an

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Speaker 1: athlete will come in and get a scholarship. But that, again,

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Speaker 1: isn't that compensation. It used to be that was the compensation,

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Speaker 1: and now they're like, well, when you're maybe that used

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Speaker 1: to be, but now you're talking about tens of billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars in TV revenue. We want a piece of that.

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Speaker 1: And that's the disparity we're talking about. So, yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: compensated by getting a degree, but okay, we've allowed that

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Speaker 1: to happen since long before we were here. Lisa, did

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Speaker 1: that screw up the relationship between student and student athletes

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Speaker 1: and some kids out scholarship since Sun didn't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're splitting the hairs here, I think is the issue.

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Speaker 1: I got to go, Hey, thanks to the call. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate I got to get a news update, and when

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Speaker 1: we return to the show, we'll switch it up. Scott

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Speaker 1: Stein is here. You know, smart classes they've been around

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Speaker 1: for a while. They kind of like, we're hot for

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Speaker 1: a minute. Google Glass that came out, and now they're

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Speaker 1: really getting some traction now and as we talk about

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Speaker 1: AI and the integration of technology to our bodies, the

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Speaker 1: glasses thing is really starting to take off. There's seemed

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Speaker 1: some big numbers of this. And you know, we also thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's going to be the future. You don't have a

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Speaker 1: phone anymore now you've got the glasses. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that's happening right now, but this this, whatever we did

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Speaker 1: this time around, I think we're more accepting of it

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Speaker 1: when it came to that. So anyway, we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Scott sign from CNET about this coming up. What you

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Speaker 1: needed about the smart class is really that the future?

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Speaker 1: Do you need them? I love tech stuff and hopefully

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Speaker 1: you do too. We'll do that next on the show

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred Since then, do you want to be.

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Speaker 5: An American idiot? Why?

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Speaker 1: I'm Scott Film Thanks to check on my show here

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred WW and available right afterwards on the

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Speaker 1: podcast or the iHeartRadio app. And of course you can

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Speaker 1: dream there take us with you wherever you go. Arguably

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest trends in tech smart glasses. You know,

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Speaker 1: we talk a lot about AI, but those two things

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Speaker 1: are intertwined, and they tried it years and years ago.

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Speaker 1: Google Glass didn't really take off, and now it really

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Speaker 1: is starting to. And you think about just having those

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Speaker 1: things on your face and what it allows you to

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Speaker 1: do to see, to record of course, you know videos,

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Speaker 1: big deal, but also you know navigation for example, and

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Speaker 1: identifying things along the street. It's an extension. It's going

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Speaker 1: to extension of your brain, but it's also going to

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Speaker 1: be a huge extension in AI, and it's really headed

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Speaker 1: this way. Joining the show this morning on seven hundred

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Speaker 1: WLW scott Stein, our friends from CNET in scott Stein. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: how you been. I'm doing well. You know, years and

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Speaker 1: years ago they came out of Google Glass, right, they

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Speaker 1: came out and like, oh man, this is going to

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Speaker 1: be a game changer, and then it kind of faded away,

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Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden it's back like Gangbusters?

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Speaker 1: What what what happened in the last few years?

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Speaker 2: I know following it since then. I reviewed Google Glass

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Speaker 2: way back, so I've been following the ups and downs,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of times it's like VR headsets too.

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Speaker 2: These things kind of have cycles where they become trendy

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Speaker 2: and then and then drop out. So in the past

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Speaker 2: three years, the big thing, as everyone heard endlessly is

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Speaker 2: AI and the hype around that, and also some of

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Speaker 2: the possibilities are driving what's happening in these classes now.

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Speaker 2: That's where the big players like Google and Meta are focused.

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of the why of it. But what's

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Speaker 2: interesting is that there are capabilities that are now becoming,

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Speaker 2: like you said, really possible. When when I were Google

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Speaker 2: was over a decade ago, people thought I was doing

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Speaker 2: those things and it couldn't actually do them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a distinction, of course between the AR

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Speaker 1: and vr ee wear and smart classes and the difference

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Speaker 1: of course being ars mars of the headset that you

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Speaker 1: don't see, you know, it's a virtual world you're looking

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Speaker 1: at as opposed to a pair of glasses with help

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Speaker 1: you know, like the rate of the any of the products.

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Speaker 1: Now you can get a prescription for these things and

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Speaker 1: it's a regular set of glasses, and so that's the

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Speaker 1: difference between the two. Do you see those things merging

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Speaker 1: in the future as that can be set that on the.

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Speaker 2: Horizon, that's totally the goal for companies, you know, and

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Speaker 2: that's been true for a long time. If you remember

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Speaker 2: the company Magic Leap people were trying to come up

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Speaker 2: and Microsoft's HoloLens, they were trying to come up with

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Speaker 2: these ideas of having these holograms in the world, like

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Speaker 2: Star Wars people refer to Tony Stark's glasses. You can

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Speaker 2: see it. They're not able to get there, still not

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Speaker 2: able to get there yet, because it's a really tough obstacle.

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Speaker 2: But there are some glasses that are plugged in that

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Speaker 2: are getting really close to that. There's one that I

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Speaker 2: looked at coming next year made by Google and a

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Speaker 2: company called x Reel, called Project Aura. They're going to

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Speaker 2: change the name next year, I'm sure, but it basically

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Speaker 2: is like a little portable VR mixed reality headset. Their glasses.

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Speaker 2: You put them on and you can see apps floating

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Speaker 2: all around you and three D things and use your

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Speaker 2: hands to control it. And that's a tethered thing that

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Speaker 2: you don't wear all all the time. Right's portable. But

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Speaker 2: but in the meantime, there's a lot of companies that

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Speaker 2: are making wireless ones that kind of are like smart

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Speaker 2: watches for your face. So some of them are already

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Speaker 2: out there. Meta has a ton of them with ray

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Speaker 2: bans that have really good audio and they take pictures,

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Speaker 2: so they're basically and they have some AI that recognizes

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Speaker 2: the photos and the audio. Then they have one with

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Speaker 2: the display in it. The display doesn't show all that much.

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Speaker 2: It's more like flat apps that you bring up, which

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Speaker 2: I find a little anno, I think. But Googles next

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Speaker 2: year are going to work with more apps on your

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Speaker 2: phone and with more like to have more recognized like

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Speaker 2: the way that you have Theory or or Gemini. And

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Speaker 2: you know you're used to earbudds and your watch knowing

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Speaker 2: what's on your phone. Glasses can't really do that yet easily,

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Speaker 2: but they're going to start to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy where it's going. So let's talk about

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Speaker 1: that because you've tried and tested them all. Uh what

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Speaker 1: what as far as the screen itself goes? What kind

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Speaker 1: of displays are we starting to see what technology thinks

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Speaker 1: could become the standard here?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, on the one that splug in, like the XC

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Speaker 2: Real and Future. A couple of these companies you may

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Speaker 2: not have heard of or making them. They have micro

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Speaker 2: o led displays, which are the types of displays that

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Speaker 2: are also in the Apple Vision Pro and the Samsung

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Speaker 2: Galaxy XDAR that came out. They're really good quality displays,

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Speaker 2: and they look like you're looking at a big TV.

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Speaker 2: That is, it could be could look higher quality than

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Speaker 2: a TV you have in your home, or at least

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Speaker 2: is good on the on the glasses themselves. A lot

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Speaker 2: of them use a variety of technologies. Some of them

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Speaker 2: have a kind of a ghosty rainbow e look, some

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Speaker 2: of them are monochrome. Some of the meta rate end

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Speaker 2: displays actually look really crisp and colorful, but only one eye,

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Speaker 2: and that technology is going to start appearing more. Google

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Speaker 2: is going to have something like it in one eye,

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Speaker 2: and then eventually the goal is to get the two eyes.

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Speaker 2: So the problem is your battery life and other stuff

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Speaker 2: and what your phone can deliver. It won't be all

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Speaker 2: the things you can think like. It's not meant for

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Speaker 2: watching movies. It's not meant for doing anything three D yet.

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Speaker 2: It's more forgetting like directions and stuff, which can be

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Speaker 2: really useful and for people I know who have had

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Speaker 2: assistive challenges. A couple of friends I've heard of already

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Speaker 2: use this for vision assistance, and there are already FDA

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Speaker 2: clear glasses that work for hearing assistances. So I think

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a big assistive push with these glasses,

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Speaker 2: but it needs to be vetted out. A lot of

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Speaker 2: the visually assistive stuff that Meta does and Google's going

861
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 2: to do. You know, it's hit and miss because AI there's.

862
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 8: A lot of things about what's going on in your world.

863
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: But it's also guessing a heck of a lot.

864
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: Scott Stein is here. He is the edit at largest Scenet.

865
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: We're talking about smart classes, which is the that's the

866
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: big hottest product right now. As a matter of fact,

867
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: from you know, probably in the last couple of years

868
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: we've said it. It started, it ebbed off and it

869
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: started to come on like gangbusters, especially now because you're

870
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: starting to see at some point in the future AR

871
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: and V are merged with smart glasses, which would be

872
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: an incredible combination. There's on the issue of battery life

873
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: because obviously the more aid and more computing power you have, Scott,

874
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: the more drand on a battery it's going to be.

875
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: Is that one of the big barriers here?

876
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the big, big down sides of

877
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: the pond because I was. I was talking about this

878
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: with with one of the chip maker's arm the other day,

879
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: who makes a lot of the chips for these. And

880
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 2: you know, with smart watches, you want it to be

881
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: you want to be able to sleep with it maybe

882
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: and have it last for days. With glasses, you're going

883
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: to go to bed, take off your glasses, but you

884
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: want it to last a full day. A lot of

885
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: these glasses do not last a full day. And that

886
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: is even though the battery life got better, you're gonna

887
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: have to recharge it at some point if you're using

888
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: it through the day, and then what are you doing.

889
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 2: You're taking out your glasses, which is what you have

890
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: to do right now, and charge them in a charge case,

891
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: which you know it could be ridiculous for people. So

892
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 2: I think getting over that hurdle is huge. The other

893
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: part is prescriptions, something you wouldn't think about, but they

894
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: haven't figured out how to honor all prescriptions with these glasses.

895
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: If you shop the metas ray bans, they only go

896
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: up to a certain prescription to the ones about the display.

897
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: With the display it's even narrower. Does not work with

898
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: my prescription, which is pretty intense it's not unusual, not

899
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: that unusual, and people who wears glasses, that's the whole point.

900
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 2: So you can see some companies that are out there,

901
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: a few floating around. One of them who makes the

902
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: display glass, it's called even Realities makes someone that has

903
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: a wide range, a long battery life. But they only

904
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: do a couple of things. So it reminds me of

905
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: like the very early days, where do I buy? What

906
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: do I do for buying these? To me, it's spend

907
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: as little as possible and experiment and realize that you're

908
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: buying something that's still a work in progress. There's going

909
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: to be stuff that comes in the next few years.

910
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: It's going to be a lot different.

911
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: So you go back ten years or more to the

912
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: advent of the smart watch. Smart watch comes out Scott

913
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: and people are like, okay, well do I need a

914
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: watch with all these things? I mean, what's I've got

915
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: I've got a watch or I'm not a watch person.

916
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: Then they came up with the fitness apps and if

917
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: you have Apple, for example, Andrew, they have the app

918
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: right that's built in tracks your steps and all these things,

919
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: and hey, now you can take your ten thousand steps

920
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: a day and you can track all these matches and

921
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: that's what caused smart watches to explode over the last

922
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: ten ten plus years. Is eric killer app waiting us

923
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: for these types of devices and smart glasses.

924
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 5: Right now?

925
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: The big killer apps that I see and the NIF

926
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: killer apps for a lot of people are the ability

927
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: to be assistive with the rate end, you know, to

928
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: sort of like if you need it to read something

929
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: for you or transplay something for you. And then for

930
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: the ones that plug in, the ability to kind of

931
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: have like a virtual monitor or to watch something on

932
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: the go. Of course, you could always just use your

933
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: laptop or your tablet or your phone and just hunch

934
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: over the screen. So the questions do I need that?

935
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: But I do think going down the road, like you mentioned,

936
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: fitness would be a really interesting killer app Right now,

937
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: A lot of these glasses don't fully hook in all

938
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: of that, which seems a bit paradoxical. Meta actually has

939
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: a pair of Oakley Vanguard glasses that work with Garmin

940
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: watches that are really good right now, but you have

941
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: to have a garment watch and you have to be

942
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: into the idea of wearing those wrap around glasses to

943
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: get feedback when you're doing extreme activities. But I think

944
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: for everybody else, for things like training, getting feedback, even

945
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: stuff like virtual workouts down the road, I think there's

946
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: a lot of possibilities, but we haven't even seen that yet.

947
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: And also how much stuff do you want to have

948
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: on you?

949
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: Already?

950
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 2: People always want to be I want to have time

951
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: away from my phone. You got your earbuds, you got

952
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: your watch. All the companies are trying to deal with that.

953
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: You know, how how do you get somebody to buy

954
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: one more thing? Do you even need that one more thing?

955
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 2: And it might be like, oh, I get the glasses

956
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: and they don't get the watch. It's like companies like

957
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: Apple are going to want you to eventually buy all

958
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: three because that tends to be their m And how

959
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 2: are we going to deal with that? What's the price

960
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 2: going to be? The prices on these kind of range

961
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: for any work in three hundred dollars to over a thousand,

962
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: and that's not even counting the prescription.

963
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just want it. It doesn't sound like

964
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: they kill rapp there as yet. That's going to go, well,

965
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: I need those and God only knows that it could

966
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: be fitness, but you know, working out doing extra you know,

967
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: doing planks with glasses on, They're going to slide off

968
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: your nose. So that's that's probably not as good as

969
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: the watch. I don't know. I was just thinking while

970
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: you were talking, going okay, well, we've got to scare

971
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: people into buying stuff, because fear is a great motivator

972
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: for product, Like either you're missing out or you know,

973
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: maybe something along the lines of you know, with AI

974
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: is it's scanning for people around you or places that

975
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: are dangerous situations. I mean, I could totally see somebody

976
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: integrating facial recognition software and you know, cameras for a

977
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: long time now I'll be able to tell whether somebody's

978
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: carrying a weapon on them or not. I mean, you know,

979
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: and it sounds kind of like, you know, a dystopian

980
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: but something along those lines where it's like, hey, you

981
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: know you're paying attention all the cool stuff on your

982
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: phone in the background that's looking out for uh situations,

983
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: uh that that could trip.

984
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: You out, you know that car.

985
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that is a huge concern. And there

986
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: and the way that AI is now you know, not

987
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: being regulated well and it's all over the place and

988
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: going way too fast and messy. Jumping this all in

989
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: the glasses as all sorts of complexities that we don't

990
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: know about any concerns. So yeah, you're totally right. And

991
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: also a lot of it is really extensions of what's

992
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: already on our phones, Like a lot of the stuff

993
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: that you could do it on your phone, you're a

994
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: lot of instances, but the fact that you're doing it

995
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: on your face, you know, not only do I feel

996
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: safe talking to someone of doing it, but also you

997
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: know what is actually capable of being done. I would say,

998
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: like the interesting thing the flip side is that I

999
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: tended to use the metaglasses a lot of vacation glasses,

1000
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: which is just kind of funny, and it's that you know,

1001
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: in the early days of smart watches, I remember that

1002
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: people places like PFA or people standing up on their

1003
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: jobs would wear smart watches because allowed them to be

1004
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 2: on their feet and not have to look at their phones.

1005
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of ways that glasses could

1006
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: be useful like that for people. I mean, for a

1007
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: silly thing like the vacation I would use it to

1008
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: take photos and take calls and not have to pull

1009
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: thing out of my pocket. But I think that that

1010
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: will start to become convenience. Part the flip side is

1011
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 2: if I feel like I'm always on and always connected,

1012
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 2: am I really truly mentally feeling like I'm on vacation?

1013
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 2: And so you know, do I want to just turn

1014
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: that off, put it away and not have that That's

1015
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: the thing I'm wrestling with.

1016
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's certainly complex. You just see this thing

1017
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: taking off more and more, and there's there's got to

1018
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: be a social acceptance evolution there too. And I think

1019
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: would he came up with a killer rap? That's going

1020
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: to help it a lot everyone and we'll all be

1021
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: walking on the classes on of course too. You know,

1022
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: even this day and as old as serious, there's times

1023
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: where I say, hey, say and it doesn't listen. Do

1024
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: we have that problem where the AI glasses that they

1025
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: misidentify things and I guess, for lack of a better term, hallucinates.

1026
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question, definitely. Not only do they

1027
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: misunderstand or misinterpret things vocally, but there are a lot

1028
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: of hallucinations that go on. There are times that seems

1029
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: to know knowledgeably about I ask what plant this is,

1030
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: and it takes a look to take the photo and

1031
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: identifies and that may it may not be that plant.

1032
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Sometimes it can be, sometimes cannot be.

1033
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: And then AI is always good at apologizing and that

1034
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: you you ask, oh, I'm sorry, it's oh, I'm sorry,

1035
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: it's this, and then you get you feel like you're

1036
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: being gas float. You know which one which is the

1037
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: real answer? You have to go vett it out yourself.

1038
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: That's a big challenge I find in using AI reliably

1039
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: as a as an all day type of the tool.

1040
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: But but you also bring up like voices to me,

1041
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: a lot of companies are trying to figure out a

1042
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: way to get passed voice because you're talking to yourself,

1043
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: you're if you feel like you're playing twenty questions. There

1044
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: are technologies. Meta has a neural band now that's an

1045
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: accessory to the ray band. Displays based the leisure to

1046
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: pinch and gesture and get to things supposedly faster. Apple

1047
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: has a lot of gestures on its watches. Google's going

1048
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: to be adding that, and eventually companies want to figure

1049
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: out things like eye tracking, which is a whole other

1050
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: ballwax is do you want that? But the flip side

1051
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: is that you could potentially get to information that you

1052
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: want to get you faster than using your voice. But

1053
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: those haven't been fully figured out. But keep it, keep

1054
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: an eye, so to speak, on that because a lot

1055
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: of companies are trying to solve that, and it may

1056
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: not just be on glasses, It'll be on your watching

1057
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: your home in the way that you interact with things.

1058
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: On the smart classes topic, Scott given metas track record

1059
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: with data privacy and the fact that smart classes are continuing.

1060
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you know your your microphone on your phone

1061
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: is on all the time you click somewhere and follows you.

1062
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: We're going to see that an extreme when it comes

1063
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: to what we look at as well. How do you

1064
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: see the industry moving forward balancing the benefits between what's

1065
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: happening contextually and versus privacy.

1066
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: I think there may be a whole bunch of changes

1067
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: to the way that phones connect to services like that,

1068
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: to regulations to understand how these things work. You know

1069
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: already on your phone, these all connect with your phone

1070
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: when you're on your phone. You have to enlist all

1071
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: sorts of location based or services to have things always

1072
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: be connected. That's the case of the glasses too, and

1073
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: you have to kind of put things into an always

1074
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Speaker 2: on state.

1075
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: And how much. How much of that do you want

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00:50:59,760 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: to do?

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Speaker 2: The company like Meta, you know, like you said, it's

1078
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: a terrible track record with these types of things, and

1079
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 2: so they're not the ideal company to be driving AI glasses. However,

1080
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: their technology is really fascinating right now and has a

1081
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: lot of capabilities. But Google entering the picture provides competition.

1082
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: Google has a lot of issues too, so you know, Apple,

1083
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: every every big tech company has its own subset of

1084
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: issues and different degrees. So the best thing would be

1085
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 2: to have a lot of these services be interchangeable, you know,

1086
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: have standards to interconnect. A lot of the companies now

1087
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 2: are wanting you to use Meta, wants to use Meta AI.

1088
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 2: Google is going to want you to use Gemini Apple

1089
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 2: when they make glasses. I'm sure it's going to make

1090
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: you flow through new theory. And that's that's not great

1091
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: because on your phone at least you do seem to

1092
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: have more options and and so, like you mentioned that

1093
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: that kind of connected that big question of of data

1094
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: and privacy and how these things are controlled on glasses.

1095
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: Now, if you think the era privacy was over, now

1096
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: now it's a if you think about there's cameras up

1097
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: all over the place, and you know, people trying to

1098
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: get away with stuff, and you know, we have murders

1099
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: and killings that are solved now because of this technology.

1100
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: Imagine now when I don't know five ten percent of

1101
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: the population are walking around with cameras that are always on,

1102
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: as opposed to somebody pulling out a phone in recording.

1103
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: That's going to seem quaint. We'll be recording all the time.

1104
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: We just don't realize it.

1105
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of these companies are trying to

1106
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: become extensions of your memory, which is a fascinating dystopian,

1107
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: wild science fiction topic that you know, we've been thinking

1108
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: about for years, but they really really are and it's

1109
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: already happening on your phone. A lot of the glasses

1110
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: are working on that too, to kind of say, I'll

1111
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: remember what you were looking at or help you recall

1112
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: things by by recording moments or interconnecting them via AI.

1113
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: And then you get to the point of well, it's

1114
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 2: that it's that treating your privacy and change for things

1115
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: that might help you, how the tendant you become on

1116
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: these said memory systems and wanting to keep them on

1117
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: or health systems where who it's monitoring things I think

1118
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: it's a fascinating future, and also I think it's a

1119
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: very problematic one. We're already there with phones, but I

1120
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: think that I think the glasses and the sensor technology

1121
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: that's coming, sensors that are going to be more advanced,

1122
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 2: not here yet but are eventually going to be more advanced.

1123
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: Things like neural sensors or things that could you know,

1124
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: connect through your heart rate or potentially stress levels, or

1125
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: eye tracking. They all want to go there. Then you

1126
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: get to a point where it can start to sort

1127
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: of guess at what you're thinking and what you're looking at.

1128
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think we're there anywhere anytime in

1129
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: the next two years or so. But I think that

1130
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: that that is part of the goal. Those advanced headsets

1131
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: like Apple Vision Pro which have eye tracking and you know,

1132
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 2: and and and all that are sort of and hand

1133
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 2: tracking or sort of showing that total picture that eventually

1134
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: companies do want to make for glasses.

1135
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: Well real quick, Scott, do you think that in I

1136
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe then ten fifteen years, whatever it might be,

1137
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: that the the smartphone that's not even a phone anymore,

1138
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: it's everything but a phone that that goes away and

1139
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: we just have glasses.

1140
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: You know, I've covered tech for so many years. Originally

1141
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 2: I would say yes, but I said laptops are going

1142
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: to go away in two thousand and nine and forgot

1143
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 2: one on my desk Texas. Tech is hard to kill

1144
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways until suddenly dead. But I

1145
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: think phones, you know, thank goodness, we do not have

1146
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 2: implants in our brains. I don't think we should ever

1147
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: have implants in our brains.

1148
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 8: But I think that phones are.

1149
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: Our extensions to the tech world that we carry on us.

1150
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 2: And I think for a lot of reasons, battery life

1151
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: and power. I think that's going to stay that way,

1152
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: and then you're going to wear things that will work

1153
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: with that phone, right.

1154
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because of the battery. There's a big obstacle here.

1155
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: String enough computer, yeah, yeah, that goes.

1156
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like, you know, the battery lies the huge

1157
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: issue for companies, and they make the glasses smaller and

1158
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 2: everything smaller. Battery life can't. You can't wave a magic

1159
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: wand and make it somedly better. So I think we'll

1160
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: still have phones.

1161
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're watching a streaming show or something like that,

1162
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: because seemingly the actors in that they never charge their phones.

1163
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: Ever they wake up and it's on the bedstand. There's

1164
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: no charger. It's amazing and we can live in that world.

1165
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: I'd be fascinating. Scott Stein Seen Its editor at Large,

1166
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: Thanks again for the time. Fascinating news is coming up

1167
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: in just about five minutes and we returned. Sanjay Shavacremani

1168
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: our resident emergency room physician and of course fitness and

1169
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: health expert. There's a new test out there, a simple

1170
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: strength test, a couple of things you can do, and

1171
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: a new studies come out that shows the better you

1172
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: score on these tests, the less likelihood you're going to

1173
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: have a heart attack. Details on what you need to

1174
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: know about that coming up next. Scott's Loan seven hundred

1175
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Speaker 1: Scott's Loan Show. This is seven hundred WLW. He thinks

1176
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Speaker 1: our friends at Dorothy Lane Markets, they brought some food

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Speaker 1: by and seafood at seafood Season with lent and all

1178
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: that too. They're fishmongers among the best. They will take

1179
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: care of They hooked us up. We got obster rolls

1180
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: and shrimp and crabbed it with many toasts, salmon salad.

1181
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: The clam chower is fantastic. Everything there is wonderful. So

1182
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: Dorothy Lane Market their new location, of course, the originals

1183
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: in Dayton on Fire Hills Avenue in the new one

1184
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: in Mason off a western row. So everything there is

1185
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: I can attest firsthand how good everything is. But I

1186
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: love seafood. I had to enjoy a good fresh seafood.

1187
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: And there's no fresher place together than our friends with

1188
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: Dorothy Lane Markets. Sanjay, would you agree on the seafood thing?

1189
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: Are you? Seafood guy? Fully agree, big seafood guy.

1190
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 11: And last time I was there, I saw their new

1191
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 11: poke Poke station, so you could get poke bowls and

1192
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 11: you just make them custom to the way you want them.

1193
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 11: I did not dive in that time, but I am

1194
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 11: definitely trying it next time. It looked amazing, Like everything

1195
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 11: looks super frished, poke is and it's got to be.

1196
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: It's legit. If it's Dorothy Lane, you're good.

1197
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1198
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get that at a gas station. But because

1199
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Speaker 1: it's for their sake, I trust their sushi. Let's go

1200
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: Poky is awesome. See. I like to eat. I like

1201
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: different foods. I'll try anything. Once I don't like it,

1202
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Same here it's all good. So yeah,

1203
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: Earthy Lane the hookup sign. Joy Shaefer Kramani's here. He

1204
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: is our resident physician, emergency room physician, also our health

1205
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: and food and fitness expert, and he joins the show

1206
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: this morning every Thursday, we talk health. And there's a

1207
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: study out that shows it it was just women that

1208
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: so there's the study finds that women with greater muscle

1209
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: strength have a significantly lower risk of death. And there's

1210
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: a couple easy tests to find out how you rate

1211
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: what your strength is.

1212
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, so this is the most recent study and it's

1213
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 11: specifically for women, but it underlines the prior studies that

1214
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 11: have been done in strength training in all ages and

1215
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 11: all genders. So this study specifically was published in jama

1216
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 11: so a pretty you know, a well known journal, and

1217
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 11: what it did was studied women over the age of

1218
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 11: fifty and found that two tests can show you your

1219
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 11: strength in a way that it actually correlates with your mortality.

1220
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 11: So the more strength you have, the lesser chance you

1221
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 11: have of dying. And those two tests are grip strength

1222
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 11: and also how fast you can get up from a seat,

1223
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 11: so simple things. Grip strength is correlated with better health

1224
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 11: as well as getting up quickly from a seat five times, so.

1225
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: You get it gout without any help, without pushing yourself

1226
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: up or is it hands? No hands?

1227
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 11: So it really doesn't matter, you know. Optimal health would be, yeah,

1228
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 11: you brace your core, you don't use anything else, but

1229
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 11: you can just get up five times as quick as

1230
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 11: you can. What they found, and another says have shown

1231
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 11: is if you can do that in less than eleven seconds,

1232
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 11: you're pretty good. So that's about two seconds less, you know,

1233
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 11: a little bit more than two seconds per time you

1234
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 11: get up and sit back.

1235
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: Now eleven seconds from sitting to standing. You want to

1236
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: try it, Yeah, like I could do I probably could

1237
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: do an eleven seconds. I probably could get up and

1238
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: down five times. You probably could, right, And so you know,

1239
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: you work out, Sloan, let's go. You need more than

1240
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: good yeah, maybe two. You got to get those muscles built.

1241
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: And the same thing for grip strength.

1242
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 11: And it's not like you know, a lot of people

1243
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 11: will see the study and they'll say, well, all I

1244
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 11: got to work on my grip strength and then and

1245
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 11: then I don't die. But it's obviously more complicated than that.

1246
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 11: It is thought that grip strength is reflective, so it

1247
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 11: shows you an overall picture of how your body is doing,

1248
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 11: but by a simple test.

1249
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so real quick, so getting some people are going,

1250
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: oh what the test? So getting up and out of

1251
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: a chair from sitting down standing up in eleven seconds.

1252
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, so while you're listening to this, you can literally

1253
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 11: try it right down in the.

1254
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: Work people at work now popping up and down like,

1255
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: well we know who's listening, like whack a mole, Like

1256
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: what's going on in the cubicles here? Uh So that's okay,

1257
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: So that's it. And now real quick, is that just

1258
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: for women or is that men too? So that's that's

1259
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: men in general.

1260
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 11: So studies have also shown the importance of grip strength

1261
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 11: as a measure of.

1262
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: How do I measure grip strength? So there there's a

1263
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: few ways.

1264
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 11: I mean, the main way that you can do it

1265
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 11: is with a dynamometer, which I actually I was trying

1266
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 11: to get to bring in here today. It is a

1267
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 11: little bit delayed with Amazon right now, so I couldn't

1268
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 11: bring it in because I was going to find out

1269
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 11: how you are. Yeah, because you're always talking about working out.

1270
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 11: It's like, let's like this guy is like a donas

1271
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 11: over talking. I'm just a fat bastard anyway, So those

1272
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 11: can actually test. So you basically you make a grip

1273
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 11: and it shows you what exact force you're putting on it.

1274
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 11: And there are numbers for men and women of how

1275
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 11: of where you want to be to show you that

1276
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 11: you have the best health.

1277
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: Is there any way to judge your grip strength without

1278
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: the dynamo and the mind of manner without the diary?

1279
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: This is why healthcare so expensive. They got a gadget

1280
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: for everything, and you have to pay per letter.

1281
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 11: Right, So the main ways you can do it is

1282
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 11: just holding on to something heavy for a while, even

1283
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 11: like you know, can you grab five bags of groceries

1284
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 11: and go into your house?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: Simple stuff like that. Can you you know, hang from

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Speaker 1: a bar?

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Speaker 11: That's a that's a good one too, although that overall

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01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 11: tests more things than just your grip, but there are

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Speaker 11: there are multiple things you can do. But I kind

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Speaker 11: of like those two hanging and then holding, So it's

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Speaker 11: I guess the test is it's not necessarily the risk

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Speaker 11: of the grip strength. What happens is if you're physically active,

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01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 11: if you are doing resistance training or you do a

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Speaker 11: physical job, your grip strengths nowctual it's going to be

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Speaker 11: stronger because you're exercising other muscles, and the risk is

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Speaker 11: very important in anything upper body. If I'm doing bicep,

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Speaker 11: tricep chest press over at, you're still your wrists are

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Speaker 11: going to get strong by doing that.

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Speaker 1: So it's like a default test exactly.

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Speaker 11: And yeah, if you're doing anything you know, manual, you're

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01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 11: working those grips, but all the muscles around it, like

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Speaker 11: you said, but what is also testing isn't just the muscles,

1304
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 11: but how well your brain's functioning and how well your

1305
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 11: nerves are functioning, because you need all of that stuff

1306
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 11: to be in line. If one of those is off

1307
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 11: your muscles or your nerves things, you're not going to

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01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 11: be able to hold onto anything for too long.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, he's sign. Jay Shaefercrimani are resident a doctor

1310
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: and fitness expert on the show this morning on seven

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01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: hundred WLW. It's in which ot of the two is

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Speaker 1: in more consistent mortality If you're to just take one,

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01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean the too easy test and like wow, I

1314
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: don't have a grip meet or like fancy pants over

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Speaker 1: here does? So what about the chair test? Which one's better?

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Speaker 11: So the study is very and my actual assumption would

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01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 11: have been that getting up off a chair would be faster.

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Speaker 11: But what this specific study showed was that grip strength

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01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 11: was a little bit more correlated to better health. But

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Speaker 11: other studies have shown different things. So either way, you

1321
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 11: want to be stronger to live longer. That being said

1322
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 11: to kind of go on a tangent, cardiac fitness and

1323
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 11: cardio respitory fitness measured by like what we usually call cardio,

1324
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 11: actually correlates with better health as far as living longer,

1325
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 11: and so it's a little bit more advantageous to if

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01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 11: you if you have your choice of doing cardio over

1327
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 11: strength if you want to live longer. The way I

1328
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 11: also see it is though, if you want to live better,

1329
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 11: get that strength training in because that allows you to

1330
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 11: do the things you want to do. You know, if

1331
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 11: you're a gardener, you get to squat more. If you

1332
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 11: you know, like pottery, you get you know, to do

1333
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 11: the right anything. Yeah, golf will require strength less than endurance,

1334
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 11: so you know, ultimately there is a little bit better

1335
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 11: mortality benefit to cardio. But both in combination is where

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Speaker 11: the money is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doing both, got it, got it, And people go, well,

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01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: I only have so much time a week. You know,

1339
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm my strength training three days and cardio the other

1340
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: three more and then like for me at my agent

1341
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: of you know, fifties push a late fifties, I like

1342
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: to go okay. I do cardio two days a week

1343
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be crazy like hardcore. I

1344
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: do straight resistaning thing twice a week and then pilates

1345
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: at least twice a week. So that's actually my joint

1346
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: suck and I need to get rid of that pain

1347
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: from all the work and that which is all perfect.

1348
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 11: So you know, the current guidelines are still one hundred

1349
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 11: and fifty minutes of exercise per week in some form

1350
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 11: of fashion, unless it's vigorous, in which case you can

1351
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 11: get by with seventy five. More is better, but too

1352
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 11: much can be bad too, because it can you know,

1353
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 11: you can injure yourself. There are kind of four things

1354
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 11: you want to think about. Is am I getting my

1355
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 11: strength in?

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01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 11: Am I getting my cardio in? R am I getting

1358
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 11: my balance in, which is important as we get older

1359
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 11: to prevent falls. And then there's a new thing coming

1360
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 11: out as far as power and how much power are

1361
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 11: you getting? And this is actually what comes down to,

1362
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 11: like quick reflexes and speed, and so there are ways

1363
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 11: to build that up. But that what those quick kind

1364
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 11: of reactions do as our body gets quicker, is it

1365
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 11: it stops those falls. So yeah, balance is important, but

1366
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 11: if you're suddenly falling, you want to make sure you

1367
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 11: can react quickly before gravity takes over and.

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Speaker 1: You end up on the grounds. Yeah. Yeah, it's a

1369
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: quick the fast twitch stuff that like, hey, I'm falling

1370
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: or I misstep and you catch yourself, but you're able

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01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: to jump and exactly if you can't do that, then

1372
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: you fall and that's how you break. But and then

1373
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: it gets worse because you've got to recover from those injuries,

1374
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: which can be very substantive, breaking a hip for example, Right, yeah,

1375
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Speaker 1: it slows you down.

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01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 11: Now we've gotten better as far as our surgeries and

1377
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 11: everything that the risk of dying actually within a year

1378
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 11: has gone down markedly, but you know, it limits you significantly.

1379
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 11: When you break your hip, especially as we get older,

1380
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 11: it will throw you off for months, if not years.

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: Now, as I age don Jay into this closer to

1382
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: death cohort, you have friends that are like they never

1383
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: have you know, I would play sports when they're younger,

1384
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: and then you know you're working, you're doing stuff, and

1385
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: now they're like, well, you know, I'm slowing down a

1386
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: little bit more. I've got to I want to start

1387
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: working out or start because I realize the benefits and

1388
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: I want to be around and enjoy the fruits of

1389
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: all this labor. So it's you know, it's hard to

1390
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: have cool stuff, do fun things when you're dead. So

1391
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: unless you consider that a vacation, which I actually I

1392
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: think about it, maybe I take that back anyway, as

1393
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: I ramble here with the ADHD be able to do that.

1394
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: Another subject, what about that? I mean you're getting in

1395
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: with the first time. What if you're I don't know, sixty,

1396
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: what if seventy eight? I mean you've never done before.

1397
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: You want to start going.

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01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 11: Truly, never done it before? You know, once we get

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01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 11: over at any age, I'd say, but certainly past the

1400
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 11: age of you know, forty, you want to have a

1401
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 11: guide to help you get there. You want to make

1402
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 11: sure you're doing things right. And the other thing is

1403
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 11: you want to make sure you're not going too hard

1404
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 11: too fast. You may hear something like this like, oh

1405
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 11: I'm going to die sooner if I'm not in shape,

1406
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 11: I better you get into shape. Now, the most important

1407
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 11: thing is that you do something that you can enjoy,

1408
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 11: that you can do consistently, and that will get you

1409
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 11: the you know, the benefits over the long run. You

1410
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 11: don't want to bite off too much too fast, and

1411
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 11: you certainly don't want to do anything that can injure yourself,

1412
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 11: especially without eyes.

1413
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: Starting easy, right and maybe one or two days a week,

1414
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: you don't have to really press it because it's going

1415
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: to take you longer to recover the muscle fatigue. First,

1416
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: it's the you know, if you do resistant trainings, you know, right,

1417
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: it's it's the tendons for then the muscles come along.

1418
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, I'm not making progress. All those sad

1419
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: to do because you're training your tendons as long as

1420
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: well as your muscles.

1421
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 11: Exactly, and it's the whole body, and it takes time.

1422
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 11: You know, what we say at our gym is that,

1423
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 11: you know, give us, give us thirty days, and it's

1424
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 11: going to take a while. The first couple of weeks

1425
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 11: are actually going to kind of stink. Your body is

1426
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 11: doing something it's not used to. But you know, one,

1427
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 11: give yourself some grace and to see how things are

1428
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 11: feeling after thirty days. But then the real test is

1429
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 11: at ninety days. You know, that's when the habits start

1430
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 11: to build. That's when you're feeling more accountable towards yourself,

1431
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 11: and that's when you when you see the improvements overall,

1432
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 11: especially not just in the gym, but also in your life.

1433
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you said that too, because it's like, oh,

1434
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: thirty days, Yeah, habits, we don't have had the Habitstil

1435
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: between forty and fifty days, right, something becomes a habit.

1436
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, and more most concreted about ninety So it's truly

1437
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 11: three months that you want to give yourself. But you

1438
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 11: know those three months of growth could lead to an

1439
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 11: extra three years, if not three decades, to your life.

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01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sign Shavor Crimani a resident emergency room physician and

1441
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: also health and fitness and food expert. This morning on

1442
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: the show. In seven hundred WW, the Journal of American

1443
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: Medicine came out with a new study. Well I don't

1444
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 1: know if it's new study necessarily, but ways to see

1445
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: if you're going to wind up living a life you

1446
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: expect to and that is an interuring study came out

1447
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: that you have a thirty three percent lower risk of

1448
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: death compared to the non working out group relative to

1449
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: grip strey. So it's grip strength and it's getting up

1450
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: for a chair. So if you can sit in a

1451
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: chair and stand up and you can use your hands,

1452
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: I guess I suppose do you get bonus points if

1453
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 1: you can just bonus points for sure you stand up? Yeah, okay,

1454
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: if you stand up in less than eleven seconds from

1455
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: a seated position, that's great, you're good. You pass the test.

1456
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: Grip strength a little more different because you need a

1457
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: special instrument to do that. But again, you know, if

1458
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: you can carry five bags of groceries, if you can

1459
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: pick up aunt gallon of paint, would probably be a

1460
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 1: good test, right, A good hold on for a while,

1461
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: hold out for three or four hours, and then see

1462
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: because if you don't make it four hours, you're probably

1463
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: going to die. That's really the test right there, now,

1464
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: if you did, I mean a lot of people have

1465
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: pink cans around something like that. Long, I like a

1466
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: couple of minutes. A minute, I mean a minute is

1467
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: a good test for anything. Yeah, yeah, just so you

1468
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: get plank for a minute, you're fine. You don't need

1469
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: a plank any yeah.

1470
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Speaker 11: Yeah, And that's the that's the important part for strength

1471
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 11: training is you know, it's again we just talked about force,

1472
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 11: which is that quick movement, which is it has its place,

1473
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 11: and then you have strength, which is kind of doing

1474
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 11: things for a little bit longer. And then you have

1475
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 11: the endurance stuff, which is your cardio. All of those

1476
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 11: in combination will help you live a longer life and

1477
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 11: a better life as well. So the most you can do,

1478
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 11: especially if you have limited time, getting a workout in

1479
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 11: that does all of those that that focuses on strength,

1480
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 11: that focuses on cardio to a certain degree, that focuses

1481
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 11: on balance and power. So doing quick movements, slow movements,

1482
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 11: all of it will be important for your help.

1483
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1484
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, just keep moving. That's a goal. If you want

1485
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: to live longer, got gotta move and if you have it,

1486
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: you can start. You can can you reverse a hands

1487
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: of time with us?

1488
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 11: Reverse is tougher than it is to slow down the

1489
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 11: hands of time? So this is this is really about

1490
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 11: slowing down the time of the hands of time and

1491
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 11: right and honestly there we can talk about it another time.

1492
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 11: But as far as METS and VO two max, which

1493
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 11: is a big kind of thing, as far as your

1494
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 11: cardiac function back of the room stuff.

1495
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: But for every met you go up, so you know,

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Speaker 11: average being like eight to ten mets that we can function. Okay,

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Speaker 11: for every met you can increase in your life, you

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Speaker 11: actually drop your risk of dying by double digit percentage.

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Speaker 1: Really, so it's huge. So yeah, maybe what's those maybe

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Speaker 1: another topic? So anyway, he's a sign Jay Shave of Kriman.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have this. Pinda your social at dine

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Speaker 1: Well doc, that's your handle and he joined to show

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Speaker 1: every Thursday. I appreciate you, thanks again, thank you. So

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Speaker 1: all right, let me get a time out in forir so.

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Speaker 1: recognize on the air, just text us to a text

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Speaker 1: eighty one and be listening for the name.

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Speaker 4: Don't want to be an American idiot.

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Speaker 1: Scott's Slung Show on seven hundred WLW said that person

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Speaker 1: it is helping with a purchase or service, or maybe

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Speaker 1: they're in their home provide service could be a convicted felon.

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Speaker 1: One in three ohioans have a criminal record, and a

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Speaker 1: new bill would make it easier for them to get

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Speaker 1: a job. You've heard about banned the box. This is

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Speaker 1: the next extension of this, and there's a legislation working

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Speaker 1: its way through Columbus and Ohio State Senator Bill Blessing

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Speaker 1: from Colraine Township on the show is one of the sponsors.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, how you bet it's been a minute.

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Speaker 6: Doing well, Scott.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. As I said before, glad the

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Speaker 2: kids are healthy.

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01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all we can do. They're healthy and happy.

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Speaker 1: We're good. We're good. No one's in prison. We're good.

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Speaker 1: What a low bar I said. Anyway, So Ohio already

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01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: bans the box and public sector hiring, which basically means

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01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: they can't ask you that question if you've been convicted

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01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: of a serious crime or crime. Senate Bill one three,

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01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: which you're co sponsoring, is going to extend that for

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01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: private employers. And so this really I think he proposed

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01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: this before in the past. It's really gone nowhere. So

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01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: what makes this go around different?

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01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 6: So to be fair, this when this is only the

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01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 6: for the initial application, if you bring somebody in for

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01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 6: a second interview, they can obviously ask about this. The

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01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,839
Speaker 6: difference is is that I think the business community, particularly

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 6: the higher chamber, is coming around to the idea that hey,

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 6: if these people can't get jobs there, you know, it's

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01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 6: just going to correlate very badly with you know, recidivism,

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 6: and these folks are just going to go back into prison.

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01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 6: It's going to cost us all a lot more money. So,

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01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 6: you know, they've moved into the neutral column with sub

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01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 6: bill that we have for this. But beyond that, you know,

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 6: some of the employers that are still upset about it,

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01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 6: you know, are worried about potentially being sued. But honestly,

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01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 6: the way this is structured, if you in order to sue,

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01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 6: you have to file a complaint with the Civil Rights Commission.

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01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 6: They have to at least try to work this out,

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01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 6: and that's you know, in order for you to sue,

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01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 6: they have to sign off on it. So there's so

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01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 6: many checks and balances in here. It's like, what are

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01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 6: we doing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, now that makes a lot of sense. And

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01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: this is co sponsored too, it's the Democrats. That's bipartisan.

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, can you get enough Republicans

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01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: on board to get this thing through?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I think so in fact, the chairman, Senator Kyle Kaylor,

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01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 6: has done just Yaleman's work on this, and he's an

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01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 6: employer and he's had guys that he didn't realize were

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Speaker 6: felons when he hired them, and they were thirty forty

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01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 6: year veterans of his business. So he's keenly interested in

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01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 6: getting this done. I think a lot of folks in

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01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 6: my caucus are at that point where they're ready to.

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Speaker 2: Pull the trigger on this because it's fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's still, as you said, allows background checks

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Speaker 1: after the initial application. So you felt the application, They

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01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: can't ask you that on the screening application. If you're qualified,

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01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,560
Speaker 1: you can then sit down, maybe during an interview and

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Speaker 1: answer that question face to face. Is that meaningful enough though,

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01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: to change outcomes for ex offenders? Because I had a

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Speaker 1: pool of people, would you air in the had a

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01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: caution going, well, I've got three people. Maybe this person's

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01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: a little better, but the criminal record, I'm worry about it.

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01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: Maybe I hire somebody else.

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01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm not.

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Speaker 6: Going to be the first to say that this is,

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01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 6: you know, an earth shattering reform here. That's going to

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01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 6: mean you know, tons for a lot of people, But

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01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 6: there has been sort of a growing issue over the

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01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 6: past five ten years of you know, the use of

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Speaker 6: an algorithm to scrape the web and find, you know,

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01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 6: if somebody was convicted of a felony or something like

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01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 6: that and just basically automatically reject these folks and not

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Speaker 6: even give them an opportunity to get their foot in

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Speaker 6: the door. So, even if it is an inconvenience for employers,

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Speaker 6: I do think it blocks that use of algorithm, you know,

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Speaker 6: to deny these folks right out of the gate. That

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01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 6: in and of itself I think is worth something.

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01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: Right, is there a exposure legally for the business owners.

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01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: Let's say I hire someone who is in I take

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01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: a chance on somebody who is a convicted felon and

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: they promise you they're straight, and you know, they commit

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01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: some sort of well they reoffend commit another felony. What's

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01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: the liability and the part of the business owner? So

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01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 1: that now there is some protection in the bill for this.

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Speaker 1: And the idea is, if you're if this bill were

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Speaker 1: to pay ass let's say that the employer was going

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01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: to be sued for you know, negligent hiring or negligent supervision.

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01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: You know this this criminal background that they.

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01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 6: Were no longer allowed to look for on that first

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01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 6: application cannot be considered in that civil action. So they

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01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 6: do have some degree of a liability shield here.

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01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: Right with that that makes sense because you know, again

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01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,560
Speaker 1: it's the Ohio Department of Corrections, meaning we're correcting the behavior,

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01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: and allegedly you reform these folks. Not almost always that's

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01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: not the case, but they try to reform people. You know,

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Speaker 1: if they come out, I don't know, it seems like

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01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: the state's not doing their job the correction. That's a

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: that's a pretty strong indictment. Well that's not on the

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01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: business owner. If I heard somebody who you corrected their

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01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: behavior and clearly your corrections do not work. So the

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01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: state is really to blame in that case.

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Speaker 6: Right, Oh yeah, And that's and that's one of the

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01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 6: reasons why you know, myself and my my joint sponsor

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01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 6: and even you know a lot of the advocates that

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01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 6: you know are on on the left side of the

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01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 6: political spectrum all said, yeah, we're we absolutely agree with with.

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01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 2: Giving you guys some liability protections on this absolutely.

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The bill also it bars employers from considering arrest not

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01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: followed by conviction. That's a pretty important provision. Yeah, the

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01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: idea being that if that occurred, but you know.

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01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 6: You you weren't convicted of anything, was dismissed or something

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01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 6: to that effect, you know, that shouldn't be used against you.

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01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 6: I think that's definitely reasonable.

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know the Governor, Mike Dwaine is publically encourage

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Speaker 1: employers to hire ex offenders. Have you had yourself, Bill

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01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: Blessing conversations with his office or maybe about people who

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01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: were offenders and they want to try and get a job,

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01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: get their life back together. But but in speaking with

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01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: the governor, is that pretty strong in these days? Is

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01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: his word still kind of the way?

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01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 6: Being a lame duck that he is, So I have

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01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 6: to confess I have not reached out his administration on this.

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01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 6: We were just seeing where it goes in committee. And admittedly, this,

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01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 6: as you had pointed out earlier, this has failed a

1640
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 6: number of times, and you know, the thought was, well

1641
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 6: let's just give it, you know, you know, a different

1642
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 6: path maybe this time and make it by partisan But

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01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 6: I think his his you know, he does carry some

1644
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 6: weight still despite being a lame duck governor, and you know,

1645
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 6: his support for a bill like this I would welcome

1646
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 6: and I think it would move some members of the

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01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 6: General Assembly.

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01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, it is Ohio Senator Bill Blessing on the

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01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: show from Cole Raine, and he is co sponsoring legislation

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01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: that would make it easier for convicted felons to get

1651
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: a job in Ohio. One of three Ohioans have a

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01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: criminal record of some sort and one of the questions

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01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: they may ask you is whether or not you're convicted,

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01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: and that, of course is going to prohibit a company

1655
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: from taking a chance in hiring that person for obvious reasons.

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01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: But you know, look at the day and age which

1657
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,560
Speaker 1: we live now, Bill Blessing, President Trump was elected and

1658
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: us a Republican know this on One of the big

1659
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: things he's going to do is handle the immigration crisis.

1660
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: And we've kind of closed the border off and now

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01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, with ice raids and everything else, it's pretty

1662
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,919
Speaker 1: clear we're we're losing immigrants. But these people provide services

1663
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: and fill jobs that are much needed in our society

1664
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: with fewer coming in. If you're taking those jobs, we

1665
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: have to go to other sources to get people to

1666
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: fill those jobs. I think I think this goes hand

1667
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: in hand with.

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01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 2: That oh yeah, one hundred percent.

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01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 6: And you know it also bolsters, you know, some of

1670
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 6: the good work that like Mea Maya Manufacturing does where

1671
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 6: they hire almost exclusively ex convicts, And I think I

1672
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 6: think once some of the stigma goes away on this,

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01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 6: I think we're going to be all right because we've

1674
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 6: been as you said, we've been doing this in the

1675
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 6: public sector for a while and there haven't been any

1676
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 6: at least to my knowledge, catastrophe issues there. I don't

1677
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 6: think there will be for this, and hopefully you can

1678
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 6: get across the finish line.

1679
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1680
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I know there's still some small business groups

1681
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: out there. You said that the Chamber is kind of

1682
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: neutral on this, not foreign nor against, but there are

1683
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: other ones that say this is an undue economic burden

1684
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: on employers any ancident.

1685
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct.

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01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 6: I mean the NFIB is the National Federation of Independent Business.

1687
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 6: They are they are still opposed, and you know, we

1688
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 6: were trying to work with them, and well I shouldn't.

1689
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 6: They were are still working with them to say, hey,

1690
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 6: maybe maybe the employment threshold, we can increase it from

1691
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 6: you know, having at least five employees to maybe fifteen

1692
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 6: or twenty or something to you know, help them out,

1693
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 6: because I get it, you know, suing a smaller employer

1694
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 6: it can be way more devastating than it can be

1695
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 6: like going after like a Google or something like that.

1696
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: But this legislation sounds like it it remedies that.

1697
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 6: I mean, well, I mean there's still they still technically

1698
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 6: can be sued. The difference is is that there's so

1699
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 6: many hurdles. I mean again, like if you you have

1700
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 6: to complain, file a complaint with the Civil Rights Commission,

1701
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 6: they have to try to work something out with the employer,

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01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 6: and you know, at the very end, if they if

1703
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 6: the Civil rates Civil Rights Commission decide, hey, we're going

1704
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 6: to give you the right to sue, that's when they

1705
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 6: can finally sue the employer. So it's like there's so

1706
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 6: much that has to happen before that can even occur

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01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 6: that I just I find it hard to believe that

1708
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 6: this is going to expose you know, a lot of

1709
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 6: businesses to significant liability.

1710
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: We know that in prison, Bill Blessing, you can get

1711
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: your ged, you can get a college degree, you can

1712
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: get certification and training in different areas. When you get out,

1713
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: you can have a job. How other than that, and

1714
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how many inmates tit partake in those programs.

1715
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: But everyone does their sentence and they get out. Is

1716
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: there a vetting process when they leave? Is there a

1717
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: certification they get? Is like, hey, these people are are

1718
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,919
Speaker 1: workforce ready. I mean we're doing that now with employee

1719
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 1: when it comes to high school and college graduates, getting

1720
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: people workforce ready. But is there a program in our

1721
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: correction system that offers that? So I know that if

1722
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to hire someone, you guys have done a

1723
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: job in trying to prepare them for the quote unquote

1724
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: real world to make sure that they stay in the

1725
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: straight and narrow.

1726
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1727
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 2: Great question.

1728
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 6: I don't have an answer for it, and but I

1729
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 6: think you're one hundred percent right, especially today with you know.

1730
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 2: The demand for the building trades.

1731
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 6: My god, Yeah, I'm certified, and that that would go

1732
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 6: a very long way to solving a ton of our

1733
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:39,600
Speaker 6: problems in the you know, housing and energy and transportation

1734
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 6: in the structure world.

1735
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1736
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if you did that, then you can, like

1737
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: you mentioned, NEMIA manufacturing does a great job, but you know,

1738
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: you're it's they're open about it. I think you know

1739
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: that's not something I think the employer of constructor, and

1740
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: maybe they would because we need bodies in the trades.

1741
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: Is like, hey, you know what we're we're you know,

1742
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: we're former inmate friendly and you get to work around people.

1743
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: But maybe you have somebody the job that's more of

1744
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: a role model or a mentor to keep those people

1745
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: on the street. It's kind of like a you know,

1746
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: I suppose an alcoholics program program for alcohol drug abusers,

1747
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: or a twelve step program where you've got a sponsor

1748
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: and you've got someone. I'm sure they do that, but

1749
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: it sounds like that would be a great avenue to

1750
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,839
Speaker 1: get these folks in an environment where they don't reoffend.

1751
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,560
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And in fact, you know,

1752
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 6: to some degree, I'm kind of jealous of their prospects

1753
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 6: here with the building trades. I mean, if you talk

1754
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 6: to some of these folks, I mean, they can't they

1755
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 6: can't hire enough exactly, you know folks you know is electricians.

1756
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 6: I mean, I have mixed feelings about the data centers,

1757
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 6: but the demand for those folks in those particular projects

1758
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 6: is unprecedented.

1759
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. We also talk in republics often about your welfare.

1760
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: We got a wealth reducing welfare costs that certainly would

1761
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: help do this because you know, I mean, leave it

1762
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: you go, You're you've got a record, no one wants

1763
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: to hire you. You're probably going to fall back into

1764
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: the crowd that got you in prison in the first

1765
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: place because you have no options, or you fall back

1766
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: on your public assess since that's not good. Either way,

1767
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: this makes a lot more sense. Do you think this

1768
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: may have an impact on the social services element?

1769
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:07,799
Speaker 2: Certainly.

1770
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 6: I don't actually have the number off the top of

1771
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 6: my head, but I mean somebody who is gainfully employed,

1772
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 6: who has private insurance versus somebody who can't find work,

1773
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 6: you know, is on medicaid public assistance generally, that I

1774
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 6: mean that is going to be a very expensive difference

1775
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 6: for the state. And you know, when you add state

1776
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 6: and federal dollars, Medicaid is our largest expenditure and anything

1777
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 6: we can do to reduce that number is going to

1778
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,719
Speaker 6: have a significant effect on our budget.

1779
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. We talk about saving money, and of

1780
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: course locking people up is very expensive as well. The

1781
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: best thing we can do is get people in the

1782
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: workforce and producing, paying taxes and taking care of themselves

1783
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: is ultimately the goal here, and that's what we should

1784
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: be pushing for and I think this is going to

1785
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: help move the needle in the right direction or remove

1786
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: that stigma to some degree. I mean, hell, when one

1787
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: in three people have a record no IO, that tells

1788
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 1: you something is you know, you can't you can't get

1789
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: rid of you know, a third of the eligible workforce population.

1790
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: We need them. And relative to welfare, let's face facts.

1791
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: You know, a huge number of women are behind bars

1792
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: now more than ever before, and so they tend to

1793
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,560
Speaker 1: rely on welfare and social services more than men do.

1794
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

1795
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 6: And a lot of these folks are you know, people

1796
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 6: who were drug addicted. You know, when once they get

1797
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 6: on the straight and narrow, you know, now what I mean,

1798
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 6: those folks need to have that opportunity to be able

1799
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 6: to participate in the economy to the fullest, fullest extent possible.

1800
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 6: So yeah, I agree, all right, So let's fast forward,

1801
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 6: Senator Blessing to maybe five years from now.

1802
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 1: What does success look like with this program?

1803
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 6: Honestly, success, I mean it doesn't even if it's just

1804
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 6: a small number of people that this has benefited. I mean,

1805
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 6: it's to me, it's worth it. I don't see this

1806
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 6: going in the wrong direction.

1807
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 2: At all.

1808
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess there could be a possibility of

1809
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 6: something gone wrong or somebody was hired who did something,

1810
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 6: but that that sort of thing can happen anyway, I

1811
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 6: have a feeling this is actually going to help. It's

1812
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 6: not going to be a ton, but it is going

1813
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 6: to I think, reduce the strain on our budget. I

1814
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 6: think it's going to add more folks to the workforce.

1815
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 6: I think employers are going to be able to find

1816
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 6: workers more easily, especially as we have to address our

1817
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 6: aging infrastructure. So in the end, I think it's going

1818
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 6: to be great. In terms of trying to measure the impact,

1819
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 6: that's probably unknowable, but it's one of those things that

1820
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 6: just philosophically, we can say that this is going to

1821
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 6: work out.

1822
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: Well, now we need bodies to show up to work.

1823
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: Everyone complains there's nobody working anymore. Well, you know, we've

1824
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: expelled a bunch of immigrants and we've deterred them from

1825
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: just so we've got to fill that with something. And

1826
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: it might be you know, convicted felons who want to

1827
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: turn their lives around, and we should be opening the doors.

1828
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: I'm given me a second or third chance. Case may be, yeah,

1829
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: but I think there, let's face it, we know enough

1830
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 1: about this. There's a large percentage of that prison population

1831
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 1: that don't want to be reformed. And I guess if

1832
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm an employer, how am I? How do I know

1833
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: that person's just you know, checking a box and going

1834
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,600
Speaker 1: to resume their criminal lifestyle, and time me into it

1835
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: first as someone who really wants to turn their life around.

1836
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: I guess that is the chance you have to take.

1837
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: If you're a business owner. Yeah, that's right, I suppose.

1838
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 1: So you're feeling good about it this time. I know

1839
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 1: we've this has been out there and introduced. It seemed

1840
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: like a cycle after cycle after cycle' been doing this

1841
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: a long time without success. It's bipartisan, which, of course

1842
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 1: these days feels like it's really really rare. Is this

1843
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: time the magic term?

1844
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 6: I think? So we've had, you know, more than just

1845
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 6: the you know, proform sponsor testimony at the end of

1846
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 6: the General Assembly, I have an enthusiastic chairman in favor

1847
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 6: of this. We've gotten, you know, I think it's four

1848
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:50,759
Speaker 6: hearings at this point. The Chamber going neutral is utterly huge.

1849
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 6: They've been opposed to this in the past, but I

1850
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 6: think they are changing their mindset on this, and I

1851
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 6: do wonder actually if that's related into some of the

1852
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,560
Speaker 6: data center buildouts that they're like, my god, we just

1853
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 6: we just need employees. At this point, I think there's

1854
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 6: a good shot that this gets done this cycle.

1855
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 2: And frankly, I would be just.

1856
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 6: Over the moon if we could get it out of

1857
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 6: a chamber that would have been that would be farther

1858
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 6: than this is gotten in easily twenty years.

1859
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm figures crossed. I mean, you know, we

1860
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: need the bodies. And again, if you did your time

1861
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: and you really want to turn your life around, you've

1862
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 1: got to show me something. And part of that's, you know,

1863
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: give them a chance and letting them get a job

1864
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 1: and see if they can't keep their head above water.

1865
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: Senator Bill Blessing, co sponsor of this from a cold

1866
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: Raine township, thanks again for joining the show. I appreciate you.

1867
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 5: Be well.

1868
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: We'll talk again soon.

1869
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 2: Likewise, Thankscott, take care.

1870
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: Good piece of legislation in my opinion. Coming up next

1871
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: on the show, My wife is in Michelle Sloan. We

1872
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, some pumps this time of years

1873
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: is running non stop. Something else you need to know

1874
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: about that has to deal with your basement. It's not

1875
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: a pleasant topic. We'll get into that next afternoon seven hundred.

1876
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: The buying and selling of homes isn't for the timid

1877
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: or meek.

1878
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 5: The real estate world can be a vicious jungle, playing

1879
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 5: with dangers and pitfalls. Thank god we've got Remax time

1880
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 5: agent Michelle Sloan, the fearless real tour of Sloan, sellshomes

1881
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 5: dot Com, and the Queen of the real estate Jungle.

1882
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 5: It's Real Estate Time with Michelle Sloane on seven hundred.

1883
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 5: Gallau wel jal all right, good morning, my dear, what's new?

1884
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 8: Hello, my king?

1885
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 3: How are you?

1886
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 1: I was a good night the other night at the

1887
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: Northern Kentucky Convention Center for Fat Tuesday. Do you know

1888
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: how much money we raise for Marty Graph for Homeless

1889
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: Kids twenty twenty six? Did you hear much?

1890
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 8: I did not know how much.

1891
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Nice quarter million dollars

1892
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: raised on Tuesday night. That was awesome.

1893
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 8: It is always such a great event. And I mean

1894
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 8: the food is great, the drinks are great, the music

1895
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 8: was amazing from BBA and my girl Melissa read. I mean,

1896
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,839
Speaker 8: so so great everything.

1897
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom Brenneman's strutting around like a peacock last couple

1898
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: of days because he's taking full credit and we had

1899
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty grand and I think that's the

1900
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: most ever we got on auction night. And he's taken

1901
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: because he you know, this is his first year as

1902
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 1: MC along with Sarah, and now he's taking credit. He

1903
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: thinks he thinks he has.

1904
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 8: What Tom looks sharp.

1905
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 5: He did.

1906
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: It was a cool looking jacket.

1907
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 8: Ye, he was colorful. If you haven't seen the photos,

1908
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 8: they're all over online and stuff. But I've got a

1909
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 8: picture on mine on my Facebook stage. He looks sharp.

1910
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 8: I thought that was pretty great.

1911
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he did, he'd absolutely. It was like it's

1912
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: a tuxedo too, like a tuxedo jacket, but it was

1913
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 1: a Marty Gras kind of designed to us really wild. Yeah,

1914
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: I got you got Tom Brennanman kind of money, you know, Oh,

1915
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: I know, I can't afford that Tom Brendman has. You

1916
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: have Tom Brenneman money, you can have custom upholstery done

1917
01:28:58,800 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: like that on his box.

1918
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 8: I have to tell you, so this is this may

1919
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 8: not be appropriate for the radio. I'm not sure, but

1920
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 8: so I gave Tom a hug, and he was wearing

1921
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 8: the giant Marti Gras balls the necklace, and I squeezed

1922
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 8: him and I broke one of his balls.

1923
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 2: The necklace.

1924
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: And I've been breaking Tom's balls for almost a year now,

1925
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 1: so pretty good. So what are we talking about today today?

1926
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 8: Well, you know what, there was a situation that happened

1927
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 8: at one of my houses this week, so I wanted

1928
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 8: to talk about it. We're constantly talking about check your sumpump,

1929
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 8: check your sump up, so that's old news, but we

1930
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 8: haven't really talked about how when you're the backup of

1931
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 8: your floor drains in your basement and sewer lines back up.

1932
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

1933
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 8: And this is a real thing in Cincinnati because parts

1934
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 8: of Cincinnati still operate with the combined sewer systems, meaning

1935
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 8: that the storm water and the sewage sheer pipe, so

1936
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 8: all of that water is rushing, all of the ground

1937
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 8: water is rushing. We had all that snow melt and

1938
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 8: it impacted at least one of my clients pretty severely.

1939
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 8: So their drain backed up, the sewage backed up. They

1940
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 8: had about three inches of sewage in their basement. And

1941
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 8: so that is nasty, nasty, and it's not something that

1942
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 8: anybody wants, but there's some things that you can do

1943
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 8: to look out for before it gets to that point.

1944
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,719
Speaker 8: And again you have to locate where that storm water

1945
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 8: where you're what is it where the drain is.

1946
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: Floor drain, It's always going to be the lowest drain,

1947
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: which is your floor drain in your basement.

1948
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 8: Correct, And so you just there's also a you can

1949
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 8: do a sewer scope because a lot of people also

1950
01:30:55,680 --> 01:31:00,639
Speaker 8: don't know that there's like a cap in the basement

1951
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 8: that is a direct line to the sewer line from

1952
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 8: your house to the street. And if you don't know,

1953
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 8: you know that's your that's an important access point for

1954
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 8: you to get in there to clean it out on

1955
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 8: occasions to make sure that there is no blockages. Because

1956
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 8: the old cast iron pipe that have was were installed

1957
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 8: a long time ago in Cincinnati, they corrode and that

1958
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 8: pipe gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Well, this particular situation,

1959
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 8: and I'm going to give a little shout out to Nick,

1960
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,759
Speaker 8: the plumber who was helping me out and came right away,

1961
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 8: I mean great, great dude got it on. He knew

1962
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 8: what he was talking about. He came in with boots,

1963
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 8: he said, everybody stay out of the basement because you're

1964
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:58,759
Speaker 8: just going to track the nastiness, don't You really don't,

1965
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 8: and so you know, let me take a step back.

1966
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:07,440
Speaker 8: So really that the rain and the melt is overloading

1967
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 8: the system, and you may hear your toilets even gurgle.

1968
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 8: If you're hearing your toilets are gurgling, if you have

1969
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 8: a basement shower again, or any drains in the basement

1970
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 8: and they start to overflow. If you have a backwater valve,

1971
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 8: and if you have an older home, you should know

1972
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 8: where that is because that can help avoid some of

1973
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 8: that pressure. Another thing that you want to do is

1974
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 8: avoid doing lots of loads of laundry during this heavy runoff,

1975
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 8: because once you do abandon, that's important. So you really

1976
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 8: want to take a bite.

1977
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: We're talking. He feels like he's got a chime in

1978
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:55,679
Speaker 1: his two.

1979
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 8: Cents, very upset by the situation.

1980
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: Just saying, well, why don't you just people go in

1981
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: the yard like I do.

1982
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 8: It solves a problem, right, or you know what if

1983
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 8: that happens in the basement, it's not my fault.

1984
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 7: I didn't do it.

1985
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, but you know, to reset the topic here,

1986
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: if you just joining the show with my wife Michelle Sloan.

1987
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: We're talking about the sewer backups this time of year,

1988
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: especially because the sewer systems are overwhelmed. Now Cincinnati's they

1989
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: had a agreement with the Feds obviously to move away

1990
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: to do separate sewer for you know, abvius sewage and

1991
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 1: then run off water two different things, the gray water.

1992
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 1: But there's still about I think forty percent of homes

1993
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati are still combined because you know, it's gonna

1994
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: take a long time to figure that out. And so

1995
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: what that means is everything goes together and you see

1996
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 1: backups in some older homes. Now that could be because

1997
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: of conbined district, but a lot of cases there's these

1998
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: old cast iron or sometimes clay pipes, a lot of

1999
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: cast iron. The roots get in there, causes blockage. It's

2000
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: blocked irresponsible from more attaches. It's called the sewer lateral.

2001
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: So it goes from if you have a basement, that

2002
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 1: floor drain downstairs near your water heater or laundry air

2003
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. That's floor drain, lowest drain

2004
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: in the house. If it backs up, that's why it

2005
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 1: comes through that and not out. You know, thank god,

2006
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: it's basement's much better than the second floor or the

2007
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: living area, and so if that backs up, that's what

2008
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,879
Speaker 1: it is. So usually you know, you're talking about the lateral.

2009
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: It's irresponsibily from where it connects to the publics who

2010
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: remain on the streets, under your sidewalk, on your front

2011
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: yard and eventually your your basement. There's also a clean

2012
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: out you mentioned that, and it looks like a big

2013
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 1: pipe with a cap on. A lot of it's now

2014
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: it's PVC, but because they'll be cast and it's kind

2015
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 1: of like it looks like, you know, four sided kind

2016
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 1: of nut on it, and that is the axis sun.

2017
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: A lot of cases there on the outside of the

2018
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: house around where the foundation is sometimes you know inside

2019
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 1: the house, but you know plumber will figure out where

2020
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: that is. You need to keep that clear so that

2021
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: in the event of that they can have an area

2022
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: to go in and clean the drain out. But you know,

2023
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 1: if there's roots and stuff in there, like in the

2024
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 1: case you're talking about completely collapse pipe. Two things you

2025
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 1: can do. You can the old the more expensive way

2026
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 1: to dig up the whole yard and put a whole

2027
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: new PVC pipe in there. From the sewer main, connecting

2028
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 1: the sewer main to your floor, drance to your lateral,

2029
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 1: or they do seer sewer lining now, which is much er,

2030
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 1: well not much cheaper, it's still cheaper. They don't have

2031
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 1: to dig out as much, not as much destruction because

2032
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 1: that adds cost and obviously a lot of work. They

2033
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 1: can actually go in and line, clean it out and

2034
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 1: then line that sewerd Right now, if it's completely collapsed

2035
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 1: and you know, it's flowing out in the air, it's

2036
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: a different story.

2037
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, in this instance, it's going to be about a

2038
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 8: fifteen thousand dollars six because they are going to have

2039
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 8: to go into the yard. They're going to have to

2040
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 8: dig up about ten feet and then once they get

2041
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 8: in there, they're going to have to you know, is

2042
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 8: that going to be enough to be able to fix

2043
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 8: the problem, because right they sent a sewer scope, meaning

2044
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 8: just a camera down into that sewer line and at

2045
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 8: one point in the sewer line basically it went completely dark,

2046
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 8: so it was completely filled with tar. And you know

2047
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:01,719
Speaker 8: that's why you also say don't flush whites, don't flush

2048
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 8: anything but toilet paper down down your toilet, because this

2049
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 8: is what could happen you can have a huge backup.

2050
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 8: And so with this situation, people don't understand and this

2051
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 8: is until it's the worst case scenario. So the homeowners

2052
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 8: on this particular property are going to be out of

2053
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 8: pocket because their insurance doesn't cover the digging outside of

2054
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 8: the sewer line and fixing that, and so that's going

2055
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 8: to be very expensive. Now what is covered at least

2056
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:33,839
Speaker 8: by this particular person, You want to check your policy.

2057
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 8: But this person the inside cleanup, which could be new

2058
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 8: carpeting they might have to take out because you've got

2059
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 8: stewer sewage down there in your lower level, so everything

2060
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 8: that was touched by it is contaminated. So you may

2061
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 8: have to take out some drywall, you may have to

2062
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 8: do some repainting, like I said, you may need new flooring.

2063
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 8: It's going to be it's a total mitigation process where

2064
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 8: you have to do this cleanup and there's a crew

2065
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 8: that comes in and that it's not cheap either, but

2066
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 8: oftentimes that is covered. But you want to double check

2067
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 8: two things on your homeowner's policy because you do not

2068
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 8: want to be out that kind of money because it's

2069
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 8: a lot. Your standard homeowner's insurance policy does not cover

2070
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 8: a sewer backup. You need a specific water sewer rider

2071
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 8: on your policy, and some pump failure is completely different

2072
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 8: as well, and you may need a separate policy for

2073
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 8: some pump. Now, I think usually some pump failure is

2074
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 8: sort of included. But I think you know the way

2075
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 8: insurance companies are now, they're they're looking to do the okay,

2076
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 8: piece by piece by piece, And if you're trying to

2077
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 8: save money, you're like, I don't worry about that, don't

2078
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 8: worry about that. Well, you better worry about that, because

2079
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 8: when it does happen, it can be very, very expensive.

2080
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 8: So you know, we still will continue to say, check

2081
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,959
Speaker 8: your some pumps because ours is running pretty much none

2082
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 8: point and it's loud, and you do want to double

2083
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:05,560
Speaker 8: check a few things that you want to see. So

2084
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 8: and now it's warm today, still before the storm comes,

2085
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 8: but texting your some pump, checking your discharge lines. Make

2086
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,839
Speaker 8: sure that your down spouts are draining away from your foundation.

2087
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 8: If you have storm drains near your property or even

2088
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 8: out by the road, try to clear them from the

2089
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 8: leaves and debris. You want to keep those open as

2090
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 8: much as possible. You know, check your basement for early

2091
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 8: damage signs. Make sure you have a battery backup, and

2092
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 8: so there's so many things that you can do. But

2093
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 8: all of this groundwater that has come and melted all

2094
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 8: at the same time could provide some foundation pressure. There's

2095
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 8: a lot of things that you can do. The other

2096
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 8: thing that is really important for me as your real

2097
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 8: estate agent is when you are buying a home and

2098
01:38:56,640 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 8: you are getting an inspection, I all always recommend get

2099
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 8: a sewer scope. It is an add on. It's going

2100
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 8: to cost an extra hundred bucks or something like that,

2101
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 8: but it's so well worth it because if you see

2102
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 8: tree roots in the line, if you see that it's

2103
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 8: you know, some of the line has been collapsed and

2104
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 8: it's full of dirt or whatever. You know, that's something

2105
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 8: you would want to ask the current own homeowner to

2106
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 8: either take care of or give you a credit so

2107
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 8: that that can be fixed so you don't have this

2108
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 8: monumental expense once you move into.

2109
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:33,719
Speaker 1: It's really really good to do. Yeah, for a hundred

2110
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 1: bucks or whatever it is, and if.

2111
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 8: You're doing it, and that's an add on, I mean,

2112
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 8: so it's part of the inspection praccess and most inspectors

2113
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 8: that oh my gosh, can you hear them?

2114
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Could you control that animal.

2115
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, there's a dog outside and.

2116
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: He's very excited to talk to the dog, tell him

2117
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: about his problems. Yeah, so sewerscope, you're getting a home

2118
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 1: inspect That makes a lot of sense because that's a

2119
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 1: really really expensive propositions. I mentioned, you know, fifteen thousand

2120
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: dollars from more and you know, here's the thing is,

2121
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: people look, well, wait a minute, isn't that the sewer,

2122
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 1: isn't that the city isn't that? No, So anything from

2123
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: your house to where it connects, uh is gonna it

2124
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 1: is your responsibility. So that sewer lateral where from your

2125
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: house to the public sewer main where that that section

2126
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 1: is all you uh. And that is true when it

2127
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 1: comes to electrical as well. Sometimes people lose power. What's

2128
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 1: going on? Well, the line that runs from where the

2129
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 1: service connects to your home is your responsibility of gas.

2130
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: Same thing. You know, once it once it hits your

2131
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 1: house or leaves the street I guess to your house,

2132
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: then it is on you. So and they do sell

2133
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: insurance writers for that as well. I know it's the

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Speaker 1: utility companies. I think Duke offers that or at least

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Speaker 1: used to anyway where they say, hey, do you want

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Speaker 1: the insurance that way, if something goes wrong, you're covered.

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Speaker 1: So if if you're so inclined to it that way,

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Speaker 1: all right, shut that dog up, would you?

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Speaker 8: All right, makes way too much time.

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Speaker 1: I gotta put some insulation. Sound dead.

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Speaker 8: You know it's running. See that's okay. Yeah, I'm happy

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Speaker 8: that it's running.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you put some rock wool and so if you

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Speaker 1: got to, you know, some of it's noisy, you can

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Speaker 1: put a little insulation up and uh, you know, if

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Speaker 1: it's in the basement, kind of knock some of that

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Speaker 1: sound down because it can't be kind of noisy if

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Speaker 1: it's running a lot. But the good news isn't a

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Speaker 1: few well a few weeks. It's bound completely dry as always.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, during the summer. All right, I gotta go.

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Speaker 1: gotta go, I gotta go.