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Speaker 1: Fifty five k the talk station, A twenty nine to

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Speaker 1: fifty five KRCD talk station. Friday E iHeartMedia aviation expert

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Speaker 1: Jay Rattle of every week here in the fifty five

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Speaker 1: Parse Morning Show again appointment listening, regular guests, and I

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Speaker 1: always look forward to it. And lo and behold, what

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Speaker 1: an amazing list of topics. Jay Rattliff, Welcome back, my friend.

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Speaker 1: We're never going to get through them all.

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Speaker 2: I held back.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to, like, you know, knock get totally

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Speaker 3: out of your chair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lot's going on.

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Speaker 1: A whole lot now because there's somebody I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to dive straight towards. Since we are in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the government shutdown, I think some people can keep

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Speaker 1: forgetting that. But the governments still shut down, which means

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Speaker 1: some people aren't getting paid, like TSA agents. I guess

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Speaker 1: the lines are getting longer. You reported that was it

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Speaker 1: last week? Three hour lines?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're seeing that in Orlando or Chicago. JFK.

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Speaker 3: Even New Orleans has has seen some lines two hours long,

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Speaker 3: and we're getting we're seeing hundreds of agents just quit.

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Speaker 3: The paycheck that they were supposed to get did not.

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Speaker 3: Was one's day the fourth, so like eight days ago.

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Speaker 3: And you know, these individuals, even though they're governed employees, Brian,

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Speaker 3: you know, they don't make a ton of money. So

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Speaker 3: you're talking about how long can anybody go by missing

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Speaker 3: a paycheck? And you're expected to show up and work

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Speaker 3: and get paid at some later future date that you

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Speaker 3: have no idea when. And just like with the air

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Speaker 3: traffic controllers when they when they weren't getting paid, a

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Speaker 3: lot of them opted to do other jobs that they

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Speaker 3: could get paid because look, they got to put food

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Speaker 3: on the table. And I don't think anybody can, you know,

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Speaker 3: blame them for that. But the longer this situation goes,

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Speaker 3: the worse it's going to become, with more and more

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Speaker 3: of these TSA employees not on the job, and at

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Speaker 3: a time when we're seeing an increased number.

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Speaker 2: Of people traveling.

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Speaker 3: So those are the exact two things you don't want

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Speaker 3: to see happen at the same time, and sadly that's

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Speaker 3: what's taking place here.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, indeed well pleased to see American Airlines is following

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Speaker 1: United's lead on kicking people off the plane for playing

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Speaker 1: loud music and videos without using headsets. So damn annoying.

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Speaker 2: Jay.

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Speaker 1: When people do that a.

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Speaker 3: Big time, Brian, and this fortunately, this plane was still

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Speaker 3: at the gate, still boarding, and she was playing a

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Speaker 3: thirty second video, just blaring it on her speaker, and

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Speaker 3: American Airlines, their flight tents came by, not once, but twice.

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Speaker 3: I politely asked if she could stop it. She refused

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Speaker 3: to do it, and they said, okay, then you're off

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Speaker 3: the plane, and she's like, what over a thirty second video?

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Speaker 3: I can't believe that. And then the passenger demanded Brian

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Speaker 3: And I guess when the American or when the law

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Speaker 3: enforcement officer showed up this woman who'd been drinking, screaming saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, I want to be able to express myself.

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Speaker 2: I should be allowed to do so. And the law.

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Speaker 3: Enforcement officer said, yes, you can, but from the jet bridge,

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Speaker 3: not the airplane. Let's go out, she went, and you

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Speaker 3: know there's a chance she'll never fly American again. And

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Speaker 3: it just again, United in American and other airlines are

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Speaker 3: really clamping down on these individuals, saying that you know,

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Speaker 3: middle of a flight, I don't see the flight diverting

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Speaker 3: connecting flight, good luck at getting where you're going, and

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Speaker 3: then being banned from flying that airline for the rest

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Speaker 3: a felony by the way. So yeah, there are consequences

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Speaker 1: And you know this sense that you know you're entitled

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Speaker 2: I think that's it.

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Speaker 3: Cherry and I have got to them, and you'll hear

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Speaker 3: And it's almost at the point now where I'm surprised

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Speaker 3: to be, and somebody didn't come by blabbing away on

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Speaker 3: and I just I don't get it. I've never got it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, in my in my younger days, if

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Speaker 3: their face like what are you doing? No, what are

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Speaker 3: you doing? But you know, obviously we're much older and

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Speaker 2: Can't do that.

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Speaker 3: But it just, you know, other than tasing them every

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Speaker 3: time we see them, which is my number one choice,

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Speaker 3: which is probably illegal, it's just there's no way to

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Speaker 3: really snap people into good behavior.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what parents are supposed to be for.

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Speaker 3: Well, you and I were raised differently, knowing your dad,

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Speaker 3: I know exactly how. Oh yeah, you're raised by your

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Speaker 3: parents and mine too. And yeah there's.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Oh my God asked for permission to leave the dinner table.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Waxing poetic about the old days, Jay Ratler will continue.

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Speaker 1: Cracked windows from a bird strike. There's that, and man

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Speaker 1: praying on a Southwest Airlines flight kind of devolved into

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Speaker 1: a situation in and of itself. That a whole lot

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Speaker 1: more with Jay Rattler. Stick around fifty five KRC. When

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Speaker 1: people turn to telehealth for talk station, have you ever

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Speaker 1: been in the cockpit before a thirty eight fifty five

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Speaker 1: ker City talks to Heyhane Brian Towmins with Higheart media

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Speaker 1: aviation expert Jay Rattler. All right, so I was reading

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Speaker 1: the story this morning, Jay Ratlift. The FEDS are a

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Speaker 1: little concerned that maybe some drone strikes or a terrorist

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Speaker 1: with the war going in Iran and recognizing there might

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Speaker 1: Airlines flight, I saw this article the other day. Immediately,

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Speaker 1: of course, thought of you. I guess you can't pray

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean this this individual was acting strangely, according

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Speaker 3: to passengers who alerted the flight crew, and every ten

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Speaker 3: why he was praying. He seemed very nervous, they said,

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Speaker 3: after about an hour of this the JFK to Fort

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Speaker 3: But yeah, anytime that there's something like that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that the individual wasn't prosecuted, detained, or prevented

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Speaker 1: To do something.

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Speaker 3: You've got a lot of things that are they're out

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Speaker 3: not that one person you're concerned with. You're worried about

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Speaker 1: All right, So we don't know what language he was

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Speaker 1: a Pentecostal person speaking in tongues Jay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been. You never know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was yeah, I know where we're going.

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Speaker 1: I definitely understand that.

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Speaker 3: I'm you're within my seventy six pages of notes. Here

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Speaker 3: it says what language it was in. I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: We'll leave it to the listening audience that is sid

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Speaker 1: which language they think it was. Anyway, United Airlines had

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Speaker 3: Well, they are, they are, but and cockpit windshields are

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Speaker 1: Well, it made me think of what was it the

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Speaker 1: pilot scully who successfully landed or saved all the passage

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Speaker 1: on the flight that landed in the river. That that

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Speaker 1: the Ohio Press Network Tomorrow, Jay Ratliffe, it seems like

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Speaker 1: Think about like on Star GPS connections and automobiles, they

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Speaker 1: the government shut down. Jay Ratliff, God bless you, sir.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time you're willing to spend my listeners

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