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Speaker 1: KCD Talk Station. Try to have a happy Tuesday. Subject

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Speaker 1: matter maybe a little difficult, not happy, but may turn

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Speaker 1: lemons into lemonade. Welcome back to the fifty five KRC

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Speaker 1: Morning Joe widow Sarah Heringer, her husband Patrick slain in

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Speaker 1: their home and over the Rhine June fourth, by Mordisha Black,

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Speaker 1: who was well supposed to be in an ankle monitor,

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Speaker 1: which he cut off in February of that year. No

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Speaker 1: one seemed to know that he had run a mock.

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Speaker 1: He didn't make his probation hearing, so lots of red flags,

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Speaker 1: and yet he entered into Sarah Heringer and Patrick Herringer's

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Speaker 1: home and stabbed Patrick to death. Patrick died in Sarah's arm. Sarah,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the morning show. Let me start by

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Speaker 1: asking you how have you been lately? Your posts on

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Speaker 1: Facebook are so emotional, they're like love letters to your

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Speaker 1: late husband, and I know you're trying to help some

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Speaker 1: other women along those lines, But first off, how have

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Speaker 1: you been? And welcome back?

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Speaker 2: Hi, Thanks for having me. I mean, it's all part

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Speaker 2: of the healing process, I would say. For me, the

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Speaker 2: writing has been just to document or or articulate. Try

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Speaker 2: to articulate what I'm feeling as I go through de

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Speaker 2: grief process. I feel like that's been very helpful for me.

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Speaker 2: And then, yes, helpful, I've got people have said it's

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Speaker 2: helpful for them as well, and that's that's nice to hear.

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Speaker 2: But taking care of myself has been my priority well

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Speaker 2: in my last few months.

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Speaker 1: Well that's important. And you know, if it's cathartic writing

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Speaker 1: about it, if it's good for you, it helps you

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Speaker 1: purge these emotions and let other people know what you're feeling.

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Speaker 1: I think that is a wonderful benefit that people can

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Speaker 1: get from you without having to go through your struggle.

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Speaker 1: So I applaud you for that and your your ability

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Speaker 1: to be so open about it. But you know, you

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Speaker 1: your situation. You know, let's just say, unlike someone who

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Speaker 1: loses a loved one to cancer, you know it's a

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Speaker 1: terrible thing, but this, this is a system that let

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Speaker 1: you and your late husband down. The man has was out,

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Speaker 1: he had an ankle monitor, he was a violent convicted felon.

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Speaker 1: I mean he eight year prison sentence for beating a

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Speaker 1: man unconscious downtown suspect and home break in serve time

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Speaker 1: for drug trafficking, and of course now he's on. He's

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Speaker 1: being a prosecutor for murdering your husband all for want

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Speaker 1: of monitoring an ankle monitor. It was your case and

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Speaker 1: your problem and your tragedy that revealed to all of

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Speaker 1: us that those ankle monitors don't do or mean jack

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Speaker 1: squat because nobody's paying attention. Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there is the grief side of it and

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Speaker 2: then the negligence side of systemic failure in our justice system.

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Speaker 2: That is the reason why I'm driving en route to

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Speaker 2: the Ohio State Capitol right now to testify in front

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Speaker 2: of the House Committee and Senate Committee to try to

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Speaker 2: get Reagan tops Patrick Herringer Act, which is Phil six sixt' seven,

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Speaker 2: if you know, if anybody's looking it up, to hopefully

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Speaker 2: get that pass through where it becomes law now with

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Speaker 2: real time ankle monitoring and also uh tacking on adding

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Speaker 2: on a little bit more either prison time or making

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Speaker 2: the violation of their parole having a little bit more

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Speaker 2: bite to it is also been written into the bill

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and again, we'll only have you for a short

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Speaker 1: segment because you are driving and I don't want you

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Speaker 1: to drive distracted Sarah. The one provision in the Patrick

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Speaker 1: or the Reagan Tooks Patrick Heringer Act that I gravitated

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Speaker 1: towards given the background situation with this Mordecai black person.

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Speaker 1: It requires the DRS HE to contract with a single

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Speaker 1: vendor and then provide continuous GPS monitoring in real time.

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Speaker 1: This addresses the geez he cut his ankle monitor off

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Speaker 1: and he's running the bok out. In society, they would

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Speaker 1: know right away. Have you gotten any pushback on this

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Speaker 1: as anybody said, Yeah, that's a great idea, But sometimes

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Speaker 1: I hear the word it's going to cost too much,

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Speaker 1: or that's not practical, or that's not feasible. Have you

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Speaker 1: heard anything along those lines, because honestly, I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: a single human being who wouldn't favor this type of

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Speaker 1: improvement over what we've got right.

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Speaker 2: Now right there. There was a hearing two weeks ago

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Speaker 2: in which Lisa Topes testified at that one, because bills

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Speaker 2: need multiple hearings usually before they get passed through, and

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Speaker 2: one of the things that was brought up by a

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Speaker 2: council member was what is this going to cost? And

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Speaker 2: one of the most frustrating things that I have come

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Speaker 2: to find out is that the State Parole Board has

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Speaker 2: already switched to real time monitoring. They when this first

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Speaker 2: came out, when they were interviewed, they said, we followed

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Speaker 2: our policy, were in the clear, and then within forty

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Speaker 2: eight hours changed their policy to this. So there has

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Speaker 2: been money. There already was money. They're already doing it.

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Speaker 2: They've changed their policy, and what Bill six do is

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Speaker 2: go move beyond policy and make it a state law,

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Speaker 2: so there isn't an opportunity in the future for someone

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Speaker 2: to switch back and then of course streamline the process

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Speaker 2: with the single vendor. But the point is is that

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Speaker 2: there there that was a big question is what is

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Speaker 2: this going, where's this budget coming from? And they it's

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Speaker 2: already been in the budget, which is you know, I

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Speaker 2: guess moving forward, it is the hopeful thing to hear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a hurdle overcome because that quite often is

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Speaker 1: the reason things die. And let's quite let's let's all

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Speaker 1: be honest with ourselves. If we had a priority in

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Speaker 1: terms of where we're going to spend money in a state,

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Speaker 1: I would think people would embrace this given how often

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Speaker 1: this has happened and the fact that it can even happen,

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Speaker 1: which is beyond me. Sarah Herringer you've also pivoted your

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Speaker 1: tragedy into a podcast to help those who are going

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Speaker 1: through the kind of the same kind of loss. How's

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Speaker 1: that going? And how do the what is it called

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Speaker 1: so my listeners can can find your podcast?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's called This Is Healing and it's on every

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Speaker 2: podcast platform, Apple, Spotify, my substack, all of that, and

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Speaker 2: it is It's just an account of either what I'm

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Speaker 2: learning or what I'm processing what I've experienced in through

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Speaker 2: all of this, I have learned how grief illiterate our

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Speaker 2: culture is with either handling it or this expectation that

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Speaker 2: over time grief goes away. I don't really know where

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Speaker 2: the concept of like time heals all wounds where that

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Speaker 2: formula came out, but it's really far from the truth.

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Speaker 2: You live with the grief, you learn to hold it

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Speaker 2: differently and build capacity around it. But the grief that

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Speaker 2: there's nothing to fix. You're not broken for experiencing grief.

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Speaker 2: And so I on the podcast just talk about my

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Speaker 2: personal account of it. And again, if that is either

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Speaker 2: a way for people to connect with their own learn

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Speaker 2: how to handle it so we can be a more

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Speaker 2: passionate and understanding and literate society, then that would be

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Speaker 2: a start.

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Speaker 1: Well. I hope this is Healing podcast helps with your

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Speaker 1: personal healing and your journey and you will achieve that

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Speaker 1: that release that so many people look for, the elusive one,

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Speaker 1: and of course that'll help other people experiencing the same tragedy.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Haringer a best of luck today, safe travels on

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Speaker 1: the balance of your trip and your return trip. And

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Speaker 1: I really hope that it's a meaningful testimony and that

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Speaker 1: our elected officials will listen to you and move forward

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Speaker 1: with the Reagan Toaks and Patrick Herringer Act because it

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Speaker 1: sounds like it's in the best interest of everyone and

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Speaker 1: of course well worth the expenditure of taxpayer resources. Sarah.

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Speaker 2: I agree, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: God bless you for everything you're doing, Sarah, and thoughts

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Speaker 1: and prayers from all my listening audience on your healing

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Speaker 1: journey and good luck today. Will be looking for a

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Speaker 1: positive result from your assets. Safe travel is great. Talking

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure, Sarah. I think about you quite often.

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Speaker 1: We will all we all do. Good luck seven point

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Speaker 1: thirty six right now if you five k s the

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