WEBVTT - 1-6-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.679 Do you want to be an americanio shorright? 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.640 Here we go? Here we go sloanely seven hundred WLW. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.960 Very sad and horrible story here. As you know, we 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.640 had a casualty on New Year's Day, the first shooting 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.440 of twenty twenty six, and it happened to be an 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.520 eleven year old girl who was committing the deadly sin 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.080 in areas since in some aria of Cincinnati of actually 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:23.919 playing at a playground. That's a horrible story in a 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.920 horrible way, horrible thing for any parent or grandparent or 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.640 family member to go through, but especially on a New 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.760 Year's Day with a child who just celebrated Christmas. So 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.360 another shooting at or near Laurel Playground on the West End, 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:37.519 if you go back a couple of years, there's a 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.760 promise to put more cameras up, and cameras are on 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.320 us specifically in that area because there have been shootings 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.520 and kids being struck, and the inquirers of Scott Warpman 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.960 reported the stories when being confusion and contradictions, lack of accountability. 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.160 If you budgeted the money council did to put those 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.320 cameras up, how come the cameras aren't up? That is 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.040 a good question. She sits on public Safety, the Committee 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.560 of Public Safety, and that would be council member. And 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.320 I'll be on the Scott Slane Show this morning on 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.319 seven hundred deble Ota and a happy new year. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.759 How are you, good morning, Thanks for having me. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the mayor said we will spare 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.640 nothing to put a stop to this after the shooting 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.440 death of this eleven year old, and it sounds like, 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.479 you know, that's again more important things to say, more 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.720 things to say, and giving lip service to this. But 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.240 if two years ago you on council approved one hundred 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.120 and fifty thousand dollars for cameras to go up in 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:29.960 the West End as part of that four and a 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.280 half million dollar public safety package, what's going on the 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:33.920 camera's up? 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.280 I wish I had a better answer for you, but 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.360 it appears that there's still work to be done to 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.560 get those dollars out the door and those cameras installed. So, 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.320 just to set a little bit of context through listeners, 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.480 in early September, city Council past a five point four 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.600 million dollar public safety package. It's part of that there 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.080 are a bunch of different things, which included one hundred 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.960 and fifty thousand dollars specifically for cameras in the West. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.600 And additionally, there was another one point two million that 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.320 was meant to be for lighting and cameras broadly city wide. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:12.320 And those are two line items in that bill that 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.240 I was personally very passionate about because while we know 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.359 sometimes you know, cameras can't stop a crime necessarily, it 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.640 sure makes it a lot easier to solve the crime, 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.240 and in this case, to apprehend a killer, someone who 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.400 shot and killed an eleven year old on. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:28.959 New Year's Day. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:33.080 So this is a moment of urgency for myself, for 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.280 my colleagues, and the mayor and the city manager. We 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.600 are all eager to get those dollars out the door. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.760 And frankly, we're looking to CPD at this moment. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:40.799 You know, those. 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.679 Dollars, those at one hundred and fifty thousand for Western cameras, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.200 sits within the police budget, and we need to get 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:46.919 those dollars. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:47.200 Out the door. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.520 Okay, So that was September of last year. I mean, 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.680 here we are in January. Should it take that long? 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.840 No, it absolutely should not, and I think everyone should be. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:57.919 Mad that it has. 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.120 We should be able to move a lot, especially since 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.120 you know, council pass that that package at five point 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.200 four million with the urgency of responding to the moment 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:08.560 over the summer when we had. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:09.919 A series of incidents as well. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.440 So if we're moving with urgency, we should expect that 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.120 of every single person administration, including some size police. Right 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.359 we are trying to make it easier to prevent crime 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.440 and solve crimes that are happening. So those dollars are 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.960 sitting there. My understanding is we need to get with 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.920 some business owners so we can have permission to put 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.919 cameras on their property. So you know, my ask is, 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.360 if you are a business owner in that area and 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.680 you are willing to have a camera or lights put 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.040 on your building, email my office let me know and 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.360 I will make sure since I Police reaches out to 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:42.480 you as soon as possible. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.720 Well, and I'd imagine there isn't a business owner down 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.480 there that wouldn't go, yeah, I'd love a camera up, 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.800 no problem, because it affects their quality of life, their business, 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.080 their bottom line with this crime continuing, and you know 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.080 it's I guess it's going to take a little bit 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.040 of time, but it seems reasonable to have this done 0:03:58.200 --> 0:03:59.880 at least by the first of the year, for sure. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.400 And it's not the first time we've had a shooting 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.160 or violent crime happen around this playground, for God's sakes, 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.600 And now the end result is because of I don't know, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.800 lack of accountability or confusion, contradiction or incompetence or a 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.280 combination of all of those. You have an eleven year old. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.560 It's dead. There's literally bloods blood on the hands of 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:22.400 elected officials because of the lack of movement on this project. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.400 You are not wrong that we need to move faster. 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.000 I completely agree with the urgency of the moment. You know, 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.960 there are a lot of questions. You know, the council 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:37.400 is asking around why these dollars haven't moved faster. And 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.279 at the end of the day, you know, actually we 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.680 cannot turn back time, which is a heartbreaking reality. So 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.640 from this moment on, it's what can we do going forward? 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.240 And to me, it's the camera as well as lighting. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:50.600 I went down to. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.040 That playground for the balloon release of the Little Girl 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.640 and you know, it was round five o'clock, stayed there 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.760 until after six, So, right, is the sun setting and 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:03.159 it's dark. It is not lit there and we know 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.560 that you know, places that are well lit, especially ones 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.679 where kids are going to be playing. You know, early 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:12.160 evening six o'clock is not that late, but then the 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.920 middle of winter it's dark out right. We need to 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:19.279 have these spaces well lit so that they are states 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.240 and then you pair that with the cameras to make 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:22.800 sure that there's that monitoring there. 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:23.800 And that's what we need. 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.640 And I'll tell you right now, all council, the mayor 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.080 or even the city manager, we are all moving on 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.680 this with complete urgency. So again my ask is if 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.839 you have owned property in that area and you're willing 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.400 to raise your hand and have a camera or have lighting, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.480 reach out to me my office. I'm Anna dot Albi 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.520 at cincinnatidshoh dot gov, and I will get you in 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.920 contact with Cincinnati Police because at the end of the day, 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:48.839 like we need a police out there, and if that 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.680 means going door to door and knocking and asking who's 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.040 willing to do this, like it's time to do that work. 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.520 Yeah. I mean two years ago, three well three now 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.440 we had Dominic Davis killed another eleven year old all 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.280 the same place ground right, and you know, okay, now, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.039 let's get this thing fast tracked. It took till September 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.240 of last year for you to allocate one hundred and 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.159 fifty thousand dollars for the camera expansion. We spend a 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.720 ton of money based on the crime that's happening downtown, 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.839 on public safety. From a council person's position, an alby, 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.040 do you look at it going Okay, well we order 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.279 the money, here's the money, we're going to appropriate it. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:23.880 And then do you just move on to the next thing. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.360 And then it's not finger pointing at you or council 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.320 for that matter. About a simmer Fire council member, I 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.039 would think we voted and passed something, hand that off 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.080 to the city manager, the mayor's office or whoever the 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.520 police department, that there's going to be action on this. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.240 Should you have to follow up on everything you guys appropriated. 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.839 From a funny perspective, hey. 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.240 I'm not here to dodge blamee. I'm really not. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:50.520 But typically one council does the voting and the allocating. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:51.719 That is our part of the job. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.599 We have a city manager former government, and we have 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:56.680 you know, in this case it's the police chief, but 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.679 in other departments it's directors. Right, We have a city 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.880 in theministration, whose job then is to then execute on 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.799 what we have allocated the vision. Right, So that's typically 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.920 how it goes. Now in this situation, right, the buck 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.240 stops with us elected. So I am not going to 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.120 dodge the responsibility that I can, and I will be 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.440 doing a better job checking in and making sure those 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.560 dollars are out the door. In fact, you know, right 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.120 before Christmas, I had multiple people ask me about the 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.080 Fusist camera technology, which allows private camera owners to kind 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.239 of connect their feed in with Cincinni Police. My people 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:31.520 come up being like, hey, we want to do this, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.040 but we have no idea how So I literally got 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.360 an email on Christmas Eve back from the assistancity manager 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.320 being like, oh, yeah, the funds are there, and you 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:40.800 know what, I should have followed up them and be 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:42.960 like great, we need to do more. So you know, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.000 I'm not going to duck and dodge responsibility. Yes, it's 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.680 true that typically when council allocates the dollars and puts 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.040 for the vision, it's them the administration's job to execute. 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.920 But in this case, when it's life or death, I'm 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.680 going to get my hands dirty and make sure we're 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.160 in there. Making sure that we get those cameras up, up, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.960 gets better in lighting. Those are all urgent, immediate actions. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.440 Okay, And I think that has respect you for that 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.880 and saying, hey, listen, you know I we passed uff. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.280 It's up to someone else to make sure it's the 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.560 plant is executed. It doesn't seem fair that you'd have 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.400 to go back and make sure that people follow your orders. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.920 So and you're saying, okay, the buck stops with us elected. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.800 I get that. I appreciate that, But where's the weak 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.040 link here? Who's dropping the ball, who's not doing their 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.000 job to make sure this money is being spent in 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.800 those cameras being put up? Who is that on the 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:31.480 city manager? 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:34.640 That's a fair question. I'll say. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.560 You know, my dad owned a business for forty years 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.679 and he had a problem solving process and it first 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.440 started with solved the problem in hand. So the first 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.640 step here is to solve the problem. So how do 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.400 we get those cameras up? How do we get the 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.079 lights installed? So once we solve the problem, we can 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.360 go back and analyze what went wrong. But I'm here 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.959 in the immediate moment, which is let's get these up, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.800 and in fact, just yesterday coming out of kind of 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.040 a meeting with CPD and I think the City Manager's 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:04.240 office we got a camera tower with lights into Laurel Playground, 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.840 into that park area, right, So we are in the 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.839 moment where we are solving the problem and we can 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.720 go back and analyze after it's taken care of. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.079 I hope there is, because someone shouldn't have to be 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.000 covered in this whole thing. I mean, I don't want 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.240 to speak out of turn because I don't know the 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.160 anal workings, but it seems like once you approved that 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:20.880 one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, it goes to the 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.920 city manager and then to the police department as well. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:25.760 I can't imagine the cops don't want to get those 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.280 cameras up. It helps them do their job. Is the 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:29.840 week length the City Manager's office? 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.440 No, those dollars are in Cincinnati Police budget, so they're 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:41.360 now fully under Sincinnati Police. Okay, area, So now I 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.320 don't know the bureaucracy within the police department well enough 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.319 to know who's the person doing outreach to those business owners, right. 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.760 So again, I'm not in the spot at this moment 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.199 where I'm trying to pick apart who's exact fault. I'm 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.560 in a situation now where it's saying, Okay, how do 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:55.440 we fix it? 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:56.439 How do we want to forward? 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.120 You know, So that's that's my priority at the moment. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.080 Now it might be becau because of the you know, 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.920 the confusion after Chief Fiji. I mean, when you don't 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.240 have a direct leader, you've got an interim chief. You know, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.240 there's a lot of confusion, a lot of people looking 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.560 over their shoulder and there. Do you think that contributed this? 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:14.000 I hope not. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:15.720 You know, I don't. 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.600 Again, I don't know the inner workings of since my 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:23.160 police bureaucracy not my area of expertise. But again, at 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.360 the end of the day, right, we know that there's 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.440 this problem, and if there are people in the West End, 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.160 and I know the community Council has been kind of 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.080 speaking a little bit about trying to get these cameras 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.760 up as well, So email me. I will be that 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.920 connector at this moment and make sure we get this done. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.040 We need to push hard at this moment. And it's 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:43.160 not just this one one park, right, I firmly believe 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.840 all of these play spaces that are supposed to be 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.040 for kids, we need to make sure that they are 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.439 well lit, have those cameras so that kids can be outside. Right, 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:58.240 It is every mother's grandmother's parents worst nightmare to have 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.560 their life year old shot and kill well filming TikTok 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.160 videos and playing in the park. Like how horrific. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.560 Yeah, if you're an eleven year if you're a kid 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:10.280 and can't be safe in a public park, I don't 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.800 have an answer for that. I especially what angers I 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.600 think everyone listening, Anna, i'llbe is the fact that we 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.240 had an eleven year old shot and killed two years ago, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.480 and here we are again doing the same thing over 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.280 and over. And when you talk to the city manager 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.720 or the police department, they can't answer basic questions about 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.720 whether or not the cameras that you guys ordered in 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.480 September have been put up or not. We don't even 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.520 know if they even do we know they even have 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.960 any footage whatsoever of what transpired on New Year's Day. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.440 I know there is a camera in the area, I 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.040 don't know more than that. I would kind of have 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.240 to direct questions back to the police communications. You know, 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:52.200 leader there again, this is clearly a breakdown and kind 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.000 of getting dollars out the door and Frankly, this is 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.400 a problem we have across the board with different city 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.680 you know, initiatives, Right, Council allocates doll and then it 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.760 can take weeks, months, maybe you know, longer, to get 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.280 dollars out the door for projects. So when we think 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:12.000 about making government work for people, it's got to be 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.120 a priority for us to cut through that red tape 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.080 so we can actually get the work done. And so 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.280 that's something I'm going to be focusing on hard this 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.559 next term. The second term here is Okay, we can 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.679 have all the great intentions in the world, but if 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.319 we can't get dollars out the door to get think 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.800 initiatives up and running, intentions don't matter for anything, right, 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:31.760 So we've got to be able to cut through the 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.960 red tape and make government work for people. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.080 Right. Our residents should. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.880 Absolutely expect that if Council allocates dollars for cameras, those 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.800 cameras get up and I again will take responsibility for that. 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:43.960 We've got to be able to work faster and get 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:44.800 things out the door. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.720 Yeah, But in all fairness to you, Anna Albe and 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.320 other members Accouncil, whether it's Mark Jefferies or Seth Walsh 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.920 or Scottie Johnson. The fact of the matter is you 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.680 shouldn't have to follow about everything you guys passed to 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.640 make sure it's actually getting executed. And I hope and 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.600 I think the public deserves quite honestly, and no more 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.280 so than those in the West End, because you know, 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.360 we're told two and a half years ago, after the 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.240 first eleven year old was shot to death, that this 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.080 is intolerable, it's not going to happen, and we have 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.600 yet another death, the same age, same situation, same location 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.319 of something that we told. We're told two and a 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.680 half years ago that this isn't going to happen again. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.440 We're going to put the cameras up, and the cameras 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.439 aren't up. And I think the public demands that. I 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:32.160 think they deserve to know where the problem was. And 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.040 you know, I know generally folks like yourself don't want 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.640 to out others, but I think the public deserves that, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.920 because if I'm in the West End right now and 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.040 you're telling me, and the mayor goes, hey, look we 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.600 were after this one. We'll spare nothing to put a 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.640 stop to this whole thing. Well you said that two 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.360 and a half years ago, and now we got another 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.680 baby dead. I think we deserve to know what went wrong, 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.400 where the fault was, what happened, and why it didn't happen. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.199 And not only that, I think an apologies in order 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.640 for those in the West End, and specifically if you're 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.240 West End resident, I is it fair for someone to go, Look, 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.000 I just don't trust you guys anymore. This is twice now. 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.280 It's heartbreaking, right, And I know nothing I'm going to 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.640 say to you is going to make a difference to 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.640 the family, right, I know it, But I think you're 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.120 absolutely correct. We need, frankly, a full audit of that 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.200 entire five point four million dollars. We need to know 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.320 how many of those dollars are off the door, what 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.080 programs and processes are. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.200 Up and running because of it. 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.560 I believe, but don't quote me on it, that this 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.520 month or early next month, the Assistant City Manager over 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.000 Public Safety APM. Bersina was going to come in and give 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.560 us kind of a report out on those dollars. So 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.200 if that's not on the agenda yet, I'm going to 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.720 be pushing Public Safety Chare Council Number Johnson to make 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.160 sure we do get that full audit and report out 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.520 about where those dollars were, because I know last time 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.240 I talked to this assystem city manager, it was slow 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.520 to get dollars out the door, which again speaks to 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.560 the broader process of how hard it is to cut 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:03.400 through the red tape. 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.560 You know, how tedious our pecurement processes are. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.520 All of that. So we've got to be able to 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:15.560 work faster, especially in these urgent, critical life and death moments. 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.840 So I one hundred percent agree we we counsel you. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.560 The public deserve a full readout of how that five 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.640 point four million dollars has been spent already or what 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.720 needs to still be get out the door and implemented. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.480 Yeah, okay, so this is one hundred and fifty thousand 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.680 dollars of the five point four million that was allocated 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.160 in September for public safety. That's a small percentage. I'm 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:39.920 not smart enough to do that math off the top 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.000 of my head without a calculator and a slide rule 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.560 and an advocacy and all, but you probably are. But 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.600 I look at this and go, okay, well, if we 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.120 don't know how the one hundred and fifty was spent, 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.680 how can we trust that the other five five point 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.280 four and change is being spent properly. You have to 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.680 go back and literally look and make sure every dollar 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.160 that you guys allocated is being spent properly or at 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.760 the very least the plan's been implemented. I mean, who 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.560 the hell has that kind of time to follow up. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.560 And that's where we are at the moment, to be honest, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.320 and I don't think I don't want to be careful 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.640 with language. It's not being spent properly. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.120 Dollars are not being improperly spent, right. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.880 It's a matter of getting through the red tape and 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.400 the governmental procedures to actually get dollars out the door, right. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.880 And that's so I don't want people thinking that there's 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.400 dollars going missing or anything like that. That's not what 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:27.640 I'm talking about whatsoever. 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:32.320 It's just that Minnesota, for god's sakes, it's Cincinnati, okay. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.920 I just I want to be really careful with my 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.640 language there. I don't want anyone to think something the 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.600 farious is happening. It's just a matter of cutting through 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.920 you know, processes here and get dollars. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:43.080 Out the door. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.440 So yeah, again, we need to get an update from 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:51.040 the city administration, whether that's the pe interim police chief 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.040 coming in and giving a report out about how those 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.720 dollars that were allocated to since my police because a 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.120 big chunk of that five point four million, and I'm sorry, 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:00.680 I don't have the list in front of me was 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:05.160 to police over time and other you know, police functions, 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:06.280 including these cameras. 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:06.679 You know. 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.000 Some of that also was for department transportation getting lighting 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.560 up around the city. You know, there is other technology 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.959 in there like the drones expansion and fusis and license 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.600 plate readers. Right, we do need to know where we 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:23.080 are on that securement process. You know, our contracts signed, 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.760 Have we you know, signed the check our dollars out 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.800 the door? Have things been implemented? So you know, I 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.479 am looking now to the city administration for that complete rundown, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.040 whether that's from the city manager's offic or from the 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.480 department heads or in this case the interim police chief 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.120 to know exactly where those dollars are and have they 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:41.200 been spent yet? 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:46.080 Yeah, I don't know. Once again, we have I think 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.920 the biggest issue facing our government here locally, and I'll 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.359 be is transparency and accountability, and those two things we 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.680 get failed yet again. And this is I don't have 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.679 enough fingers and toes to count how many times I've 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.440 felt have had that feeling. And I'm sure people listening 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:03.320 also going where's the accountability? Where's responsibility when you can't 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.920 fulfill basic open records requests I mean, Scott Warman, the 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.600 inquirement to try to figure this out. No one has 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.040 any answers about how many cameras are up, which ones 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:11.960 are working, where the money went, if it was spent, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.320 where the documentary. No one knows anything. That's not a 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.080 good look for city government. And I know you're part 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.600 of the solution, not the problem, and you're a good again. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.639 I appreciate you coming on the show this morning, absolutely. 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.560 Well, thank you so much for the time. I appreciate it. 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:30.040 And again for everyone listening, I want them to walk 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.600 away understanding that this council, of this mayor the city manager, 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.399 who frankly has lost a member for family, two gun virons, 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:41.400 we are all committed to making things right, making things better, 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.240 making sure people feel safe, and this is an overfixed tragedy, 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.800 and I feel the heartbreak, and you know, my heart 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.840 really goes out to the family and everyone in the 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:51.040 community is acted. 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:52.879 All right and all the best, and thanks again, for 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:53.320 joining me. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.640 Well, thank you, take care all. 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.320 Right, council member, and I'll be sitting on public safety. 0:18:58.359 --> 0:18:58.959 And you heard it here. 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.480 How many times you say a red tape, red tape, 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.400 red tape and yet the mayor, we will spare nothing 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.000 to put a stop to this. And you could have 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:08.800 prevented this. And I think the blood is on the 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.639 hands of I don't know. It could be the police, 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.880 it could be the city manager's office, could be another 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.560 entity in there, but damn it for once, how about 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.600 some accountability. How about hey, here's where the weak link 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.240 was and name names instead of because if not, you 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.720 just continue to create the same pattern over and over again. 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.359 And that is in competence, That is a lack of 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.920 transparency and account of There's got to be some accountability 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.560 with this death. Your thoughts five three, seven, four nine 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.000 under the Big One, Talk back the the iHeartRadio app. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.560 If you're extreaming the show there Scott's Loan Show back 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:47.480 after News on seven hundred w weld. Scott's Loan Show 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.920 on seven hundred w weld. We just had a chat 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:51.879 with council Member Anna Olby. If you missed, it'll be 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.800 on the podcast after the show. Great conversation and she 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.720 didn't pull too many punches here. She is as outrage 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.800 to the rest of us that we had yet another 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.000 eleven year old shot at West End Playground where two 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.679 and a half years ago we were told it's insufferable, 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.520 it's going to stop because we are going to do 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.480 something about this, and council spend one hundred and fifty 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.760 million dollars from more cameras in that area. Not that 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.880 cameras would stop crime, but from what I understand, there 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.400 may be one camera, one camera up there and maybe 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:24.439 or maybe they don't have evidence. And after what happened 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.879 with the eleven year old the boy by then, but 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.400 Dominic Davis, we had on New Year's Day an eleven 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.159 year old girl shot at same playground and there have 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.480 been many shootings in and around that same area over 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:38.840 the years. We were told by the mayor that he's 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.040 going to spare nothing instead of put to put a 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:45.359 stop to this. But council already did their job. I 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.080 don't know how much more you can hold members of 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.960 council be it Scottie Johnson, be it, Anna alb be it, 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.560 Seth Walsh, be it, Mark Jefferys, Jeff kramer Ding. I 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.840 can go on and on once they appropriate the money 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.520 and say here, here's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.359 specific for cameras in the West End. I don't how 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.800 many cameras that gets you, but probably a few cameras 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.960 as part of a five point four million dollars spend 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.280 on public safety, which has been ignored now for many administrations. 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.080 It's not a have to ad purevol's fault necessarily that 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.560 you know, we weren't spending money in previous administrations and 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:24.000 putting that emphasis on preventing crime or catching those responsible 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.280 or committing crime, making it easier for the cops to 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:28.000 do their job. I can't help but think that the 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:29.920 police certainly would have loved to have those cameras up. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.680 And maybe it's because again we're back to this this cluster, 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.440 you know what, because you fire Thiji and you've got 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.199 an interim chief and he's still them. Know, we're going 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:40.520 to continue investigating as to why we fired her in 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:42.760 the first place. We need we need more time to 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:44.320 make a case as to why we fired her. 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:44.640 What. 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:47.760 Yeah, we're going to continue the investigation of why we 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:50.200 fired the chief last year into the new year. Does 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:52.119 that make sense? Doesn't make any sense to me either, 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.880 And it's really not an indictment of the interim chief. 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:01.000 At this point. You just wonder if that's not exacerbating 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.800 the problem, and that when there's no leadership as a vacuum, 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.400 people are maybe not being held accountable as much when 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:08.479 you know there's a clear direction for the police department. 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.160 I think that's fair. I think the city manager has 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:15.000 to answer some questions as well. Share alone. If council's 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.080 job is to allocate the money, should it be there 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:20.000 a job to make sure that the money is being spent? 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.000 I would say no. Maybe a follow up is an order, 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.080 but you can once you do it, it's in someone 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:29.000 else's hands. If you handed to administrators, then administrate it 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.240 and the end result is this isn't like, oh, hey, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.520 we made a mistake. An eleven year old girl is dead. 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.679 I'm not saying that sure death is entirely preventable, that 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:44.159 we could have prevented this from happening, but I'm sorry 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:45.919 if you had cameras up there, I don't know if 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.440 that's a deterrent, but maybe bringing someone to justice, having 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.159 some enclosure for the family it is somewhat there, but 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.480 there's blood in the hands of those elected officials that 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.359 were given the money to do this and didn't do 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.000 what they were supposed to do. I mean, it's pretty 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:01.920 clear of the public in the West End is very, 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:03.960 very angry as we all are about this. Hell, I 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.119 don't live in Cincinnati proper. You may not either, but 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:09.720 you hear these stories and it just breaks your heart. 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.040 Here's an eleven year old girl in a playground on 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:17.040 New Year's Day and she gets gunned down by nonsense. 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:21.480 It's like the mom that got shot in the crosswalk. 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:25.000 For God's sakes. It's just one story after another. And 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:27.639 is it going to stop all this crime or prevent it? 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.960 Probably not. But it's going to be easier to get 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.920 justice for this family because guess what, Dominic Davis was 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:35.800 killed two and a half years ago. I don't think 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:39.040 they ever got the shooter there, and I have no idea. 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.280 I mean, give these families a chance, or give these 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.800 kids a chance, for God's sake, and get these animals 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:45.960 off the street. It couldn't very well be that the 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:49.080 same person who shot and killed Dominic Davis in twenty 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.240 twenty three shot and killed this little girl on New 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:57.560 Year's Day and you have one job, let's do it. 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:01.720 You know, this is my fierce libertarian streak coming out here, 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:03.200 and I wouldn't say that. You know, this is why 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:05.400 you have to have private security, cameras and everything else. 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.080 No government. If government can't do the basics, and I 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:13.840 would say public safety is the cornerstone of basic Then 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:18.359 if you're a younger voter, because typically younger voters that 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:22.360 would be younger millennials and gen zers want more government 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:24.560 to take things over, why would you want that If 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.960 you can't have the basic stuff, why would you want 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:31.200 to expand government? Local government at that, whether it's local, state, 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:34.000 or federal, have more of that in your life because 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:38.000 government programs, I mean always say treat us like children, 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.400 because you assume that people can't manage their own affairs. 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.680 But bigger than that, how many times has government consistently 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:47.040 over promised and underdelivered? This debacle in the West End 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.920 is a great example of that. It's a bureaucracy. There's 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.639 no incentive for them to be efficient, to be responsible, 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:56.600 to be accountable. The Inquirer, the paper of record here 0:24:56.600 --> 0:25:00.159 in Cincinnati, can't get any answers as to one of 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.280 the money is was it spent? What happened? Do we 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.320 even have any cameras up? Knowing even has an answer 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.080 as to did we put cameras up or didn't? We 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.879 can't even get the open records request or crying out loud, 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:12.960 I don't know why you'd want more of that in 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:14.880 your life and not less of it. If you guys 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.359 can't handle the basics, why are we worrying about? You know, 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.120 we've got to take care of student loan debt and 0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.680 housing on affordability, and the gig economy and wage stagnation 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.760 and climate change against they can barely. They can't handle 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:31.560 putting up cameras at a park, for God's sake, And 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.400 yet we want more of that stuff. And I get 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:36.760 the reasons behind it. And younger generations have different experiences 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.040 and changes. And I know you saw the two thousand 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.760 and eight housing crisis and said, well, well, look we 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.320 had to bail out all these businesses and banks are 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.440 too big to fail as part of the two thousand 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.520 and eight financial crisis. If you're a Mellen Hill, right, 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:52.639 I get that. Watch your parents suffer. Okay, but what 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:55.800 drove the financial crisis? A lack of oversight. I'm not 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.760 saying suggesting o other mental libertarians and anarchists. Obviously we 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:01.480 got no government. But and in my mind and maybe 0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:04.240 in yours, I don't want a government doing everything for me. 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:08.920 You certainly you need to be an officially, need to 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:13.720 be a referee and put guardrails in place, because you know, 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:17.439 unchecked authority or in checked bureaucracy or unchecked capitalism for 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.280 that matter, is not beneficial. There has to be some 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:22.840 guidelines in place and guardrails in place where that you 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.440 can do that. But to suggest somehow the government should 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:27.919 take all this, Oh, look what happens. They can't even 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.800 handle putting cameras up in a freaking park. And now 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.359 you've got another kid dead five three, seven four nine, 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:37.880 seven thousand d in Highland on seven hundred WWD high Hi. 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:38.840 How are you today? 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:42.800 I'm sure I am just I don't know why, like 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:44.000 you's saying, why. 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:45.720 Are we asking the government to take care of it? 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.399 Why is an eleven year old child out in the 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:52.960 dark in a park, A girl with after one child 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:54.840 who's been killed there. I don't care how long ago 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.439 it was. The little girl should not have been out there. 0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:58.280 Where's the parents? 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:00.119 How come we're not holding a parent and. 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.399 So you know, I get it. 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.840 They got to work to pay for everything. I understand this, 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.680 but there has to be rules. And have somebody watched 0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:10.840 an eleven year old girl has no business in a 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:13.040 park at night time. I don't care if it's right 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:13.920 outside or door. 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:14.959 You cannot. 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.600 There's too much going on, especially down the West end. 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.240 See indeed, see, let's be a reason, all right. I 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.000 don't know where you're coming from, but when I was 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.119 eleven years old, I was hanging out of parks. I 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:26.280 was in the neighborhood. You're eleven years old. If you 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:28.640 can't be safe in a park at six o'clock, where 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:29.479 the hell else can you go? 0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:34.119 You're dark, you go by the darkness. 0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.320 And if there was no no I think I was 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.040 out at eleven. When I was eleven years old, I 0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.159 was probably out past dark. It's hell. I lived in 0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:42.119 a part of the country that got dark at three o'clock. 0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:43.920 I'd never go outside if they were the case. 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:48.480 Okay, when when my children went to school, they pulled 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.760 up their pickup trucks and had rifles in the back window, 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.479 and nobody pulled out that rifle and shot each other 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:58.080 when they got in fights. Nobody nobody did that. You 0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:02.000 didn't even And yes, we have more publicity now about it. 0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:04.960 I understand times were different than didn't. You also have 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.760 prayer in school, thou shall not do this, thou shalll 0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.119 not do that. Now, what happens to the idiot that 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:11.280 goes down death roat? 0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.120 He don't ask for the preacher? Get it over with? 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:16.280 And and what do they do with the guy that 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:18.520 goes and run over the cop? Oh, they're going to 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:19.840 let him out. 0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:22.480 He's gonna he's going to go to prison for the 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.960 rest of his life. But because the. 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.720 Sanity that he should get the death penalty. You have 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.560 to have force, You have to have punishment that fits 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.439 the crime, or they're going to keep doing it. 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:36.400 Well, back to back to back to the little girl though, 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:38.480 I mean she's eleven. You I could see if he's 0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:41.080 six or five or six years old, but eleven o'clock 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:46.200 at six o'clock on New Year's Day? You know, are 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:48.520 you supposed to I mean, what are you supposed to 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.400 do if you live in that And again, not everybody 0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:51.920 in that neighbor is a criminal. You know, it's like 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.600 a half a percent of the population the one doing 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.240 this nonsense and this noise, and people are trying to 0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.960 live their lives. Do you suggest that, like an eleven 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:01.840 you old should just stay inside all day when it's 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.160 dark outside. I mean, don't the people who live in 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:06.480 those neighborhoods have a right to use the parks and 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.520 facilities that are put there by the government without fear 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:10.400 of being shot today? 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.480 One year old child, It's not like it was years ago. 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:16.239 It's not like it was. 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.600 Everybody never is. Everything changes, It's supposed to change. 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.880 Well, that's what I'm saying. But when it comes to safety, 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.560 you can't expect the government. I don't want the government 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:27.600 taking care of telling me what I knew, what I 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:28.120 can't do. 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.840 Why don't we just go overseas and live with the China? 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:33.680 You know? I hear over there by the way, China 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.200 is going to have their women date down when they 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:37.000 have their periods. 0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:39.960 What do you think is coming with that? It's crazy? 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.000 I don't know. I appreciate the call. D I gotta 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.080 get going. She's got a lot to say, D does. 0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:46.920 I'm not quite sure I agree with the thesis the 0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:49.280 kids shouldn't be as eleven year old at six o'clock 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.920 at night in the park. I could see if we were, like, 0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.800 I don't know, four o'clock in the morning, a different story. 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:56.880 But even at we're four o'clock in the morning, does 0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:59.120 an eleven year old deserve to catch a bullet? Does 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:02.400 anyone deserve to catch a bullet? The answer, of course 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:04.720 says no, unless you're a criminal, like a Rodney Hinton 0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:09.200 for example. We'll get into that more of speaking of 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:11.840 Rodney Hinton later on about ten o'clock, actually a ten 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.040 oh six, Steve goodins here to talk about his insanity 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:15.920 play and what all this means, and that the court 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.800 bought this whole thing. We'll switch up the topic then 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.200 after news coming up at ten o'clock, about twelve minutes 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.880 from now. In the meantime, it's five one, three, seven, four, nine, 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.120 eight hundred the Big One Talk Back iHeartRadio app to 0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:32.480 Mark and Wyoming on the Big One. Good Marting, Mark, Yeah. 0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:32.840 Good morning. 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.160 I want to I just listen to this conversation you 0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:40.880 had with the councilwoman. Yeah, I'm and I'm a little 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:42.920 surprised on too one thing. You said, well, what more 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:47.560 can they do? But I'm actually more alarmed now after 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:48.240 she spoke. 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.800 I mean, she says, you ask about. 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:55.360 Accountability and this politicians do this, and people that can't 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.080 be held accountable do this right away while I'm focused 0:30:58.120 --> 0:30:58.880 on the right now. 0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:00.480 Yeah right, I'm. 0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:01.200 Gonna accept it. 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.440 But I'm not like, we can't walk and shoot them 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.360 at the same time and find out why it failed, 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:10.680 because if that failed, all these other things that are. 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.200 Going on around you are failing. 0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:12.680 At the same time. 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:16.000 Someone should be accountable. But they do this because over 0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:18.200 time people forget. 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:19.160 Yeah, and then you will. 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.720 They won't go back and you'll never get an answer. 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.280 Well, that's that's part of it. I want to know 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.080 where the hell and I think we deserve especially more 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.360 so anyone more than anyone else. The folks who live 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.240 in the West End are around that park, around Laurel 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.680 Playground where they have kids. It's like, yeah, I need 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.400 to know who the hell screwed this thing up. And 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.240 I you know, I appreciate Anna and what she said. 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.520 It's like, listen, we got to go back and check 0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.040 and see where the money is. You know, the Consol's 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.480 job is to appropriate the funds to make sure things 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.480 work and problems get solved. I don't think you should 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.560 have to go back and check your math and say, okay, 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.880 now I've got to do someone else's job. And but 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.400 you're right, is that like, let's start naming names. I 0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:58.280 want to know where the hell this thing got screwed 0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.360 up in the first place, because you have another eleven 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:03.120 year old dad. Two and a half years ago, we 0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.040 were told this can't happen again. Well guess what's just 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.800 happened again. And the money they appropriated to help solve 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.640 the problem or prevent the problem hasn't been spent yet. 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.920 We deserve answers names already. 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.880 And again it's not just the West End people. It's 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.480 they're talking about one hundred and fifty thousand. 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:24.240 Dollars about a five million dollar allocation. If this kind 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.720 of aptitude is going on, what's going on where all 0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:29.120 that other money was celebrated? 0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.120 You don't know because you're not looking. 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.600 And the other second point, and I'll be quick and 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.800 I'll get off. Yeah, they act like I allocated the 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.600 money and it's not my research. Any business that has 0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:47.320 capital expenditures allocated projects set the first question yet, who's responsible? 0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.840 And it's a time bound by when and who's going 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.400 to report fact that it's done, and you can't track 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:55.640 if you're in the city, maybe one hundred thousand projects, 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.880 but there's something who said this was emergency funding for this. 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:00.360 You can't tell me. 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.280 City council can't say I need an answer. 0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:04.520 Next week, next month. 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:05.280 And if it's not. 0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:07.240 Done, where are we going? But they act like I 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.560 just washed my hands of this because I allocated the money. 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.760 And again it's people that can't be held accountable, or 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:15.000 we won't hold accountable. 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:15.920 That's what they say. 0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:18.320 If you're in a business, you'd be fired immediately. 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:19.120 Well correct and. 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:21.200 Like that. 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.440 That's the point, and that's why. And I don't know 0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:26.760 if we're coming this because it's again your point well 0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.880 taken about government. I think council members can only do 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.080 so much. Their job is not to administerate. Once they 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:34.320 pass the funding, it's handed off to someone else. But 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.320 you know there's plausible deniability, Well we didn't know it 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.200 got caught up. There's a whole bit. But it's back 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.520 to that bureaucracy. You know, all the steps you have 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:43.920 to do and all the hoops you have to jump 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.040 through under the eyes of you know, public accountability. Uh 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.400 in doing the right thing with the public money. Takes 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.600 forever to do. The bureaucracy and the red tape is 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.080 the problem. But at some point someone has to be 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.840 responsible as to why these cameras weren't put up after 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:01.480 the last shooting, and certainly after September when they appropriated 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.520 the money. The bigger questions I asked Anna Alby, is okay, 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:06.920 well this is one hundred and fifty thousand of five 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.319 point four million. What the hell happened to the rest 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.120 of the money. What else aren't you doing? What else 0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:15.320 aren't you sitting on? I mean, these are great campaign 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.160 type of things where you go, hey, look what we're doing. 0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:19.839 We put cameras, great, we voted for camras, awesome, we're 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:24.120 the cameras. Wow, we didn't put them up. Well, then, 0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:26.680 what's the point of all this then? And what do 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.279 you tell with a straight face to the family of 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:32.000 this eleven year old girl who they're about to put 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:36.160 in the ground. It's it's unconscionable, is what it is. 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.839 And it is a pattern. And I don't know if 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:42.560 it's true in other cities. I can't speak for Louisville 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:46.400 and Columbus, and I can't speak for Indianapolis or Chicago 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:52.560 or Cleveland or Toledo, or Youngstown or Dayton, but certainly Cincinnati. 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:56.560 You want to know that the people you and trust 0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.239 are doing their job, and clearly they aren't. And all 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.120 we get from the mayor will spare nothing to put 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.440 a stop to this. How about some accountability? And I 0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.720 think at the top the biggest problem we have seen, 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.239 and you name all the problems that we've had, is 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:13.120 a lack of transparency and accountability. You know, you can 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.359 bring up names like Patrick Herringer, and you can bring 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.319 up the rye, the brawl over the summer and go 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.879 on and on and on, and the lack of transparency, 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:25.760 accountability and someone to say this is unacceptable. Here's the plan, 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:28.000 and we've got the plan executed. You can't find it. 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.440 And yet it's happened again. It's happened time and time 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.600 and time again, where there's no one willing to step 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.960 up and say I'm the one who's screwed up, it 0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:40.520 won't happen again, or holding someone accountable. But rather we 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.160 get platitudes about how it's intolerable and we're gonna we're 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.040 gonna stop this and it's not gonna happen again. And 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.640 guess what, it happened again. How can you be that 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:49.520 tone deaf in such a short period of time. It's 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:53.560 beyond me. It is beyond me. One more quick one here, 0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:55.839 let's go to a John and Westwood on the Big one. John, 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:56.239 good morning. 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:01.680 Uh, scott as absolutely city councils fault. If you if 0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.600 your refrigerator breaks and you pay somebody to fix it, 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:06.319 aren't you going to follow up to make sure they 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:10.640 fix it? It's absolutely counsel's fault. Scottie Johnson's a joke. 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:12.520 He was never much of a copy. He was more 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.080 of a social worker. And every one of them down 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:17.680 there has blood on your hands. Not that the government's 0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:21.120 supposed to fix all this, no, but here's here's the thing. 0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:23.879 If you're going to say, way, we're going to put 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:25.520 up cameras, we're going to do this and that. 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.880 To help the problem, and if you don't do it, then. 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.200 Shame on you. Yeah. 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:32.600 I think the way I look at it rather in 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.960 the household budget. Because what you said makes sense, I 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:37.960 listen to. But but look at this way. Let's say 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.200 I run company. Let's look at this as a business 0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.560 type of thing, and I have uh, I don't know, 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:46.000 I've got service technician and okay, okay, great, here's your truck, 0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.400 here's to what what what? Why didn't you go install 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:50.080 this aircan doing? Why do you go install this furnace? 0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.200 That's kind of what happened here. It's like, yeah, well, 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:56.680 you got the equipment, you got the tools, you got there, 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:58.520 you got all these things. Well why didn't you go 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:02.080 do your job? What were you doing instead of doing this? 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:06.200 And that's kind of a you know, ham fisted example 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.279 of the problem. But okay, if it's a business and 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.520 it's a big company, and certainly the city of Cincinnati 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:15.680 is there are people who are tasked with making sure 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.120 these things are executed. I can be the owner and go, okay, 0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:20.279 we're allocating this amount of money to this budget for 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.960 I don't know, marketing. Let's say, and if you decay, hey, 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.120 I've got one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for marketing. 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:26.839 And you go, I thought we were doing I thought 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.719 we spent money on marketing. Where is it, Well, we 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:30.520 didn't spend the money, Well why not you get fired 0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.759 for that? It's the same thing here. The question is 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:37.160 who gets fired. Is it the police department, is it 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.600 management within the is it the city manager. And this 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.439 is not the first time we've had problems. What about 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.799 the police. I'm very pro police, but you know, when 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:50.160 you have a situation where the chief is in flocks 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.000 and we still have an interim here, I think that's 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:54.920 also part of the problem. And what does that go 0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:58.560 back to. It goes back to left accountability, transparency and 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:03.760 function of those elected, in this case re elected to government. 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.960 News is next seven hundred WW. Since you want to 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:11.919 be an American, we pivot from the issues of the city. 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.479 I'll revisit this last a suffer. A lot of people 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:16.919 want to fire off about the city for not having 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:20.040 these cameras up. We appropriated the money for and end result, 0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:21.719 you've got eleven year old girls shot to death on 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.560 New Year's Day. Unreal way to start the new year. 0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:27.160 For sure, we also have this go on. Speaking of violence, 0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:30.279 Hamlin County prosecutors have decided not to pursue the death 0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:33.080 penalty for the man who intentionally ran over and killed 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:37.560 Deputy Larry Henderson last May. They agree that Rodney Hinton 0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:40.640 was legally insane at the time he murdered the deputy. 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.960 He's expected to plead not guilty by reason of insanity. 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.600 Sometime next week the judge, Judge Luvers, has to sign 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:50.520 off on this for more. It's Steve Gooden, attorney at law, 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:55.879 and Steve, welcome back. How are you good? I'm all right, 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:57.839 but I wish we had better news to start the year. 0:38:57.880 --> 0:38:59.919 We have an eleven year old murdered at a play 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.239 ground where two and a half years ago and another 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.960 eleven year old child, a boy, was murdered. No one 0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:07.040 has answers to cameras being up there. And now we 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.120 have the news coming out after what we saw last 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:14.040 May at UC's graduation. Here's retired Deputy Larry Henderson working 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.879 a detail where he's pushing the button operate street lights 0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:20.719 as people cross across the university campus in order to 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:25.000 facilitate graduation. And we know the Rodney Hinton, who was 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.560 aggravated because his son was justifiably shot and killed by 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:30.840 police officers for his role in steel in the car. 0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:33.040 He decided he was going to get vengeance for his 0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:35.200 dead son and kill a deputy he had nothing to 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.040 do with this. He's expected to plead not guilty by 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.560 reason of insanity next week in the court. Apparently in 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:42.880 the prosecutor's offices agreed. That's pretty rare, isn't it. 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:48.880 Yeah, it is relatively rare, but it does happen. You know, 0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.000 I was a prosecutor for many, many years in the 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.879 both state and the federal system, and you know, we've 0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.920 seen these scenarios, and I think what happened. And I 0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:03.200 spoke with one of the lawyers who represents mister Hanton yesterday. 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:08.120 Apparently the judge actually appointed an independent expert to take 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.759 a look at him and to render some sort of 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:14.200 mental evaluation, and it was this independent expert who concluded 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.359 that he did have some sort of Mister Hinton had 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:17.280 some sort of pre. 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:18.800 Existing condition exposed. 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:22.520 They said, both bipolar and possible schizophrenia. He had a 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:27.359 diagnosis that went way back before this incident. And they said 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.279 they in their view, it was sufficient to show that 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:34.040 he did not appreciate the wrongfulness of his actions, which 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:38.480 is what has to be demonstrated here from a legal standpoint. Now, 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:40.799 why this is so frustrating for others, and I'm sure 0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:44.000 frustrating for the Henderson family, is just you know, it 0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:49.279 is all based on opinion. You know, the the so 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:52.520 called MacNaughton test, which is what most states use, including 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:56.680 Ohio in terms of deciding whether someone is not guilty 0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.600 by reason of insanity, and it requires that someone has 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:03.480 such a a severe mental illness or mental defect that 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:07.719 they cannot appreciate the rightfulness, rightness or wrongfulness of their conduct. 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.920 Here's somebody who was actually it looks like was functioning 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:14.400 in society before this. So it begs a lot of 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:18.920 questions does but I will say also in the prosecutor's 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:22.160 defense here in Ohio, I mean we have essentially don't 0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:24.839 have the death penalty anymore. It's on the books, it's 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:28.160 seldom imposed. Even if he were sentenced to the death penalty. 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.560 You know, the governor Dawine is sent a moratorium on 0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.960 the death penalty because of the drugs that they. 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:35.880 Use for some time. 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:39.000 So the odds of it ever actually being imposed are 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.640 slim to none if we're just being honest about it. 0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.719 So at least the one positive thing out of this, 0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:48.120 and it's a very muted and kind of distant positive thing, 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:50.760 is that is typically as part of a not guilty 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.960 by reason of insanity, at least the person admits the 0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:55.160 facts of what he did. 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:56.680 So I mean, at least there will be. 0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:01.359 Some coming clean about what actually occurred that day, and 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:03.799 from what we understand, it was just this awful thing 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.440 where he watched this video of his son, and exactly 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.320 as you said, he went out in the first person 0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.799 in the uniform, he saw you, he ran over, and 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.799 it was just Larry Henderson, who I didn't know well 0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.840 but did know and was just just as upstanding and 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.640 decent a human being as you could have and just 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.480 an absolute credit to the uniform, who was just killed 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:24.120 for no reason at all. 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:25.880 Just being the wrong place at the wrong time for 0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:29.120 someone who wanted vengeance. But doesn't that kind of undermine 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:32.320 the story, Steve Gooden, that there's some intention there, that 0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:36.120 there's two distinct competence issues, as you have been told before. 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:39.520 One is the competence of sand trial, meaning his present 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:43.200 mental state and can he understand the proceedings against him. 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:46.239 This focus is more on the mental state at the 0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:48.160 time of the offense, the past mental state, so not 0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:50.759 the present but the past. I don't know. If you 0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:54.760 drive around the city, presumably in your mind you're looking 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.640 for someone to blame, someone to take out, and an 0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:00.359 eye for an eye sort of fashion, and then you 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:03.120 feel that your son was wrongfully shot, even though he 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.000 was justifiably shot by police. There's no telling a grieving 0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:09.200 parent that. But you know, him going out and essentially 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.520 looking for someone in uniform to kill indicates to me 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:17.799 that's premeditated. If it's premeditated, how does that not how 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.920 does that work then relative to being insane, because you're 0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:24.520 not supposed to know that this at this time is 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.040 a crime, and what you're going to do is a 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:30.520 criminal in nature. But if you're deliberately doing something and 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:33.560 actively seeking one some out for one, understand it took 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:35.640 like in the upwards of an hour for him driving around, 0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:39.120 I don't understand how insanity is play here. 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.120 Well, you know, look I'd be I'd be screaming about 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.080 this too a bit more. I think if I were 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:48.319 certainly fair with in the family or the prosecutor as well. 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.600 I mean, this is one that just is going to 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.120 be a very very tough sell to the community for 0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.520 everything that all the reasons you set out, you know, 0:43:56.600 --> 0:44:00.120 if I mean he did and there's no question and 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.000 go out looking for someone in uniform, there was a 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:05.759 vengeance aspect. And we now know he has been indicted 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:10.880 subsequent to his arrest for assaulting a SHARE's deputy up 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.160 in Butler County, I mean because of you, Because he 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.520 actually killed a Hamilton County SHARE's deputy who and the 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.120 Hamilton County deputies run the jail locally. They moved him 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:23.400 up to Butler County as a security for security reasons, obviously, 0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:27.160 and he's already assaulted another uniformed officer there and is 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:31.520 unfacing a different fellow the indictment for that. So you know, 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.680 it also begs the question. In Ohio, it's very very 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.960 hard to establish what we call temporary insanity. I mean, 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.239 that's something that really only exists in the movies. It's 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:43.880 a practical matter in Ohio. You either have a severe, 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:48.880 severe mental health diagnosis that renders you incapable of understanding 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:50.840 right form wronger you don't if there's no such thing 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.440 as temporary insanity. And this sort of flirts with a 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.360 temporary insanity theory, which is, well, he had this mental illness, 0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.080 he saw the video triggered his mental illness, so therefore 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:03.560 his criminal culp ability you know, you know, is significantly reduced. 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:04.400 It doesn't go away. 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:05.920 I mean, he's still going to be held in detention 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.480 for many, many, many years, no matter what happens. Here, 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:11.880 but it does, you know, it does diminish it. It 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:14.480 takes the death penalty off the table because mentally ill 0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:16.680 people cannot be put to death in Ohio. And again, 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:21.279 as we said, even by a lawyers doesn't matter. But 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:23.120 this is one of these things that is going to 0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:25.960 be very very hard, I think for people to understand 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:29.160 and grasp even you know, I think some of the 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.120 lawyers who practiced in the spaces I have over the years, 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:33.920 you know, are scratching their head a bed at this. 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.680 But I apparently what happened yesterday was that there was 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:41.080 a you know, a one of the court appointed psychologists 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:44.600 who was supposed to be a truly independent person not 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.600 representing the state or the or the defense, came in 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.680 and said, no, he had a pretty severe mental health 0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:55.319 history prior to all this, and that's what they're hanging 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.240 their hat on. So right now, with the prosecutor's position, 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.600 I mean, it looks as though, I mean, the death 0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:03.080 toll he's already off the table. And I would assume 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:06.560 we're going to move into a scenario where, you know, 0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.719 where he pleads not guilty by reason of insanity and 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:15.440 assuming that the psychological diagnoses hold up and you know, 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:17.319 he's going to be placed into some sort of mental 0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.440 health you know, lockdown mental health facility, hopefully for the 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:21.040 rest of his life. 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.919 Well, I would think that's the case. Yeah, you don't know, right, 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:28.440 but you know, it seems like he made deliberate, intended choices. 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.800 It was premeditated for sure. That shows and establishes his 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:35.000 cognitive function as being okay at the time. Are there 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:38.680 people on death row who are bipolar? I managed a 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:40.880 lot of people in prison who suffer from mental illness. 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:43.160 We know that as a fact. But even if bipolar 0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:47.560 disorder is present, I don't know why the prosecutor could 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:50.200 argue that that second prong is had met as we 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.360 talked about. I think that's the frustrating part, not just 0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:55.279 for most people listening, but especially for the family, because 0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:56.880 the family had to sign off. 0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.799 On this, right, well, you know, don't I don't know 0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:00.399 that they did. 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:04.200 I mean, based upon the on the prosecutor statements yesterday, 0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:08.400 the family, you know, they said, certainly we're not uniform. 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.920 I think, and in this he indicated on the record 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.120 before Judge Luber' is that there have been I guess 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:18.000 some disagreement among the family, but that they understood. And 0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:21.000 you know, and again I've met the family very briefly 0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:25.200 at at the visitation and uh, you know, you know 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:27.680 there these are decent people, these are smart, but these 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:29.520 are people who are not out for blood that they 0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.080 do want justice here. And that's the problem with this. 0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:35.080 It doesn't feel like justice. And and you hit the 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.879 nail on the head, which is almost everybody who ends 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.600 up in the criminal justice system has some sort of 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.279 mental health issue. I mean, whether they're dealing with those 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.080 process trauma and that leads them into drug use, and 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:49.360 the drug use leads them down into uh, into stealing. 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:52.440 It's always a problem. The issue is what do you 0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:55.520 what do you do with your mental health problem? You 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:57.680 know problems? Do you push back? Do you get help? 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:02.160 Do you do you take them more responsibility of not 0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:05.840 crossing the line into criminal conduct and hurting other people 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.240 and stealing from people and doing things of that nature. 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.920 And that's what our system is. I fear is starting 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:15.959 to lose because there is this concept of like, you know, yes, 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:19.480 everybody has their mental health problems in gr or not 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.239 goes to by reason of insanity. It was always when 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:24.520 I was doing this twenty years ago, was reserved for 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:28.120 those very tiny sliver of cases, the great minority of 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.840 cases where someone was so mentally ill that they couldn't 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.719 understand what they were doing. And that's a pretty rare thing. 0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:38.719 Everybody's got problems, Everyone has mental health. Almost everybody has 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.839 some mental health issue. But at the end of the day, 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:45.279 it is our responsibility morally to actually control ourselves into 0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:48.480 engage in society in the right way. And that's what's 0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:51.279 getting lost here. And I'll tell you this is something 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:54.160 that people are going to struggle with. I am amazed 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.319 if you look online, if you look particularly on some 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.320 of the Facebook groups, there are a lot of folks 0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:01.160 out there who have a lot of sympathy for Hinton. 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:03.319 You know, it is not it is a It is 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.719 a more divided community on this than you would take. 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:08.520 But just for my friends in the law enforcement community, 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:10.560 I think this is something that kind of makes him sick. 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:13.840 And again and again. 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:15.640 I'm not saying that, I'm not saying the guy doesn't 0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:16.520 have problems. 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:17.399 He clearly does. 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:20.440 Like you say, the idea that he sought out someone 0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:23.520 in uniform sure sure feels intentional to me. 0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:29.000 That seems like cognitive ability to be owise. Yeah, Steve Goodness, 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.480 there a legal paradox here in that this. Like we know, 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:34.000 if I go out after the show and I decided 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.360 to go across the street to a bar and hammered 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:40.120 down like four pictures of margaritas, go out, drive a car, 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:43.520 strike and kill someone, my decision to put an alcohol 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.319 in my body was mine, uh, and therefore it is 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:50.320 entirely my guilt, my fault as to that homicide to 0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:53.279 curR at my hands behind the wheel of a car. Conversely, 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:56.840 in this case, we know that in this case, Rodney 0:49:56.920 --> 0:50:00.399 Hinton was diagnosed as a bipolar in the summer twenty 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:02.680 twenty three, well before the offense, and he was prescribed 0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:06.600 antipsychotic medication. If he choses a lot of people do 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:10.440 to get off the drug and not take his prescribed 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:17.000 medication that then triggered this episode of insanity, it doesn't 0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:18.759 the standard hold the same. Like if I choose to 0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:22.520 drink alcohol, use drugs and I kill someone, that that's 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:24.640 my fault. Does that apply in this case? Do you 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:28.440 have a duty and responsibility to take the antipsychotic medication 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:30.799 that was prescribed to you? And if not, does that 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:32.200 not assume guilt? 0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:37.040 Well, you're hitting on something that no pun intended drives 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.319 a lot of lawyers crazy here, which is is that 0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:41.400 that is something that Ohio law. 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.839 In a lot of states does not recognize. 0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:46.600 And Ohio law is very very clear on what we 0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:48.680 call the voluntary intoxication. 0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:49.560 Events or diminished capacity. 0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:54.200 If you go and intentionally diminish your own ability to say, 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:58.319 drive a car or something. If you intoxicate yourself voluntarily 0:50:58.320 --> 0:50:59.640 and you get behind the wheel and you hit it 0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:02.520 fill somebody, you're one hundred percent responsible. You cannot claim 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:05.000 any kind of temporary insanity, et cetera, et cetera. 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:05.280 Et cetera. 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:08.640 But we do know people make conscious choices to go 0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:14.160 off antipsychotic medications and essentially diminish their own capacity in 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.800 that manner, and Ohio law just really takes no position 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:18.319 on that. 0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:20.799 So, I mean, that's something that at some point the. 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:24.480 Legislature probably should be looking at, particularly as we see 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:27.600 attorneys now kind of in a more robust way using 0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.400 the not guilty by reason of insanity defense. If the 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:33.160 person knows they have a middle defect, if it's treatable, 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:36.320 if they are on medication, if they're prescribed medication, and 0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.640 they make a conscious decision to go off it and 0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:42.200 then engage in criminal conduct. You know, it should in 0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:45.680 some way from a common sense standpoint, it should preclude 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:49.320 you from being able to use some of that mental 0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:53.120 health defenses, some of those mental health defenses, but Ohio 0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:56.359 law just doesn't even contemplate that at its current states. 0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:57.400 Do you have other states too? 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:00.160 Are? 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:01.680 My knowledge almost none? 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:04.000 I mean, this is sort of a new area in 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:06.680 a lot of ways, you know, just you and it's 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:08.480 it seems like it shouldn't be because there's so many 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:10.759 people that pass through the criminal justice system with mental 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:11.480 health problems. 0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:12.840 Uh, but it's one. 0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:15.080 That that really and again, I guess the question would 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:17.560 be for for if you're a legislator, you know where 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:20.160 to draw the line? You know what if someone's just 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:23.440 on on antidepressants you know, which are not truly anti 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:27.160 psychotic uh fit meds and and their behavior is impacted somewhere. 0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:29.600 But I think there are some common sense lines that 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:31.680 can be drawn. And that's something that that really I 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:34.879 think our legislators should at some point take up because. 0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:36.560 Uh, I mean, it's it's not. 0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.279 You know, it's something that that that it does come 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:43.279 up increasingly, which is someone being quote off their meds. 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:45.160 I mean, that's something that we just know. People talk 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:47.200 about that and joke about it all the time. So 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:51.040 and those off their meds, some people absolutely need these 0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:53.719 medications to function in society at all if they have 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:57.319 one of these severe diagnoses. So, uh, I don't know, it's 0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:59.040 just it's a it's a blank spot in the law 0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:00.960 right now in my states, but certainly a. 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:03.440 Well it should be address. It's kind of along the 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:06.000 lines of elderly drivers. And if you're elderly and you 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:09.279 mistake your gas pedal for accelerator and you drive through 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:11.600 to kill someone, was oh my, that poor. Well fortunately, 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:13.200 you know, they just crashed to the front of the 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:15.680 store and I'm glad they're okay. It's a great but 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:18.080 you know, again, are you competent to drive? If I 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.360 did that and I was fifteen, it'd be a different 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:23.360 story entirely, and you looked at as someone who should 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.640 have their license taken away from them immediately. We don't 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:27.960 see that with lotily folks. We tend to treat them 0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:29.960 the kids. I think the same with them mental illness. 0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:32.759 A lot of this is probably driven by the and 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.400 rightly so, there's advocates for the mental health community, of 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:37.720 which we all have mental health issues at different levels 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:42.919 for sure, me, you, everybody, and you know. The fear 0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:44.440 then is, well, you know, if we do this, then 0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:46.680 we're going to stigmatize mental ill and then people won't 0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:48.279 go get the care and the help they need because 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:49.960 they're afraid that they're going to get in trouble. We're 0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:53.319 only talking about from this perspective with Rodney Hitton, we're 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:57.400 only talking about four states of mental health. Of course, 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:01.320 what we're talking about with him is bipolar disorder, but 0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:03.879 things like schizophrennie very serious metal. Well, we're not talking 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.680 about someone who needs I don't know, something for for 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:09.840 mild depression or something like their ADHD meds. We're talking 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:13.840 about schizophrenia and we're talking about psychotic disorders. We're talking 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:17.319 about issues like this, and there's only a handful of 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:19.680 them this would apply to. It's not like this is, hey, 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.560 you didn't take your are your allergy medicine today and 0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.120 you got an accident. It's your fault because you're sneezing. 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.000 Nothing like that. We're talking about serious mental defect here. 0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:31.400 I mean, I think that's right. Then there's a common 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:33.040 sense place to draw on the line, and really we've 0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:35.279 got to involve the probate courts more in these kinds 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:37.640 of scenarios. I mean, look, I mean, I mean the 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:41.080 analogy you used, I think is absolutely dead on. One 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:44.840 of the toughest battles I've had personally in years was 0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:46.520 two years ago, and I had to take my dad's 0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:49.600 car keys away, right, you know, in his mid eighties 0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:53.360 and was diagnosed with dementia and want to drive everywhere, 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:56.480 you know, all over town. He's getting lost, and it 0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:57.920 was like, it's just a matter of time before he 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.840 hurts himself or someone else. And luckily I had a 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:04.759 power of attorney that had been executed and I got 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:07.239 some legal advice and I took every you know, I 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:09.200 had to shut it down because I felt that I 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.920 was going to have a moral, if not legal responsibility 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:14.319 at some point for where it was going to go. 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:17.000 And a lot of people you have, you see in 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:19.080 these scenarios. I don't know what the case is with hinting, 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:22.479 but you know, typically you have a family member who 0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:25.240 is involved in the treatment in some way, and sometimes 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:28.440 they have some legal authority through the probate court and 0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:30.840 particularly in terms of making sure they have their medication. 0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.160 So you know, that's got to be part of the 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:36.600 equation is you know, you know who is the responsible party. 0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:37.359 Some people don't have. 0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:39.000 It be in a state, right, I mean, the state 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:43.760 issues the state issues a license. Private citizens don't issue licenses, 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:45.640 but they shouldn't there and then in this case, they're 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.080 the ones that asked to be taken away. And I 0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:48.960 think it is a parallel to what we're talking about 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:51.840 here with Rodney Hinton, in that if I drink or 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:56.320 take drugs and kill someone, obviously I shouldn't have done that. 0:55:56.320 --> 0:55:59.560 That's on me. I engage in that kind of behavior, 0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:04.320 being deliberately intoxicated, Whereas if I'm ordered to take prescription 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:06.759 antipsychotics because of a mental state and I don't do 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:09.520 that and kill someone, it's not my fault. It doesn't 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.160 make a lot of sense. I don't have hope that 0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:14.359 the law is going to change anytime soon because their 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:17.400 fear of the backlash from the mental health community and others, 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:20.399 the fear that's going to cause people not to get 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:23.160 the help that they need. It definitely is a catastrophe 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.040 on many levels here. But the good news is that 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:27.719 he's going to plead and hopefully he doesn't see the 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:29.520 light of day. Are you pretty confident he's going to 0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:31.200 get life? He's never going to get out of jail. 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:34.080 You know, I am. 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:36.320 I mean, I mean, we don't know what's going to happen. 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:38.880 I mean the good I mean, the good thing about 0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:41.000 the only good thing about this is again he has 0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:44.520 to admit what he did. They're not contesting, they're not 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.759 arguing that there's you know, some other person involved there. 0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:50.600 He's at least acknowledging what occurred here, which I guess 0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:54.719 will well, we'll have some value, I hope. But the 0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:57.719 thing is he will be eligible to have, you know, 0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:02.000 to be in a treatment situation, and to be evaluated 0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:03.680 for release every so often. 0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:05.480 Now, I think given what happened. 0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:07.960 Here, and given that we've got a pretty you know, 0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:11.200 a really sharp judge involved, I think that's you know, 0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:14.480 it's unlikely he's getting out anytime soon. But we can't 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:17.720 say for a fact, you know, that he'll be locked 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:19.800 up for life. I mean, there could be a scenario 0:57:19.920 --> 0:57:23.520 where you know, some of the treatment you know, providers 0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:25.880 where he is says, you know, look, he's he's he's 0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:29.440 functioning again, he's medicated, he's doing better. I mean, we 0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:32.160 don't know what's going to happen that way. We just 0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:35.240 know that if he were convicted straight up, this would 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:37.320 be murder even without the death, then he will be 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:40.160 murder with a life tail. So h but still I 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:42.160 think it is, you know, it is unlikely that he 0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:43.840 gets out. I mean, they are gonna you know, there's 0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:47.240 going to be a murder conviction and uh you know 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.520 again one with the possibility at parole and uh, you know, 0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:54.320 and it's it's complicated. We can't say for sure he'll 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:56.400 never get out, but there's a pretty good chance he'll ever. 0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:58.280 Get Yeah, I would hope so well, at least we 0:57:58.320 --> 0:57:59.960 got that Steve good and all the best to try 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.920 law defense Turney now former prosecutor and knows it all. 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:07.160 I appreciate you, buddy. Thanks again. Happy to hear you'll 0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:08.680 get a time out in We've got news and we'll 0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:11.200 talk about this and whether that makes sense is to 0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:14.320 you know, there's some diseases. You've got to be responsible 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:17.280 for putting the drugs into your system. That's going to 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:19.400 prevent this behavior from happening in the first place. We'll 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:26.360 talk about a next Lonely after doing seven hundred. It's 0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:28.920 a Scott's Loan show on seven hundred WLW. Steve Good 0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:31.560 was just on talking about what's going on with Rodney 0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:33.520 hitting In case you're just joining the show, didn't hear it? 0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:38.320 County Prosecute Hamblin County Prosecutor Kip guynan assistant prosecutor, has 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:43.360 after talking to medical experts and testimony, including court appointed 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:47.360 testament but also independent testimony, in analysis of Rodney Hint 0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:49.320 in the state of mind the day he decided to 0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:53.240 murder Deputy Layer Henderson, has determined that he was legally 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:56.200 insane that the time he murdered Henderson, and it feels 0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:58.560 like justice is not being served there because you see 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:04.240 someone who in the capacity that seems to go against 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:05.960 the narrative that he was out of his mind at 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.479 the time, in that he was premeditated. He was shown 0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:11.360 the video he in the family was shown the video 0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:16.040 camera footage of his son being killed by police officers. 0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:18.280 Son killed by police officers because he was an a 0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:21.480 stolen vehicle. He had a gun on him, He's fleeing, 0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:24.040 He disobeyed commands, fell down, picked the gun back up 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:26.320 and held it in his hand and as he was 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:29.560 running past the dumpsters, turned towards at least look towards 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:32.080 a police officer which sees that certainly is a threat 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:36.080 against his life, and fired the rounds in which killed 0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:40.480 that young man, Ryan Hinton, his dad in the family. 0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:42.480 Was shown the next day the video or at least 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:45.360 couple days later, the video of the murder, not murder, 0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:48.920 but of the shooting, and this triggered him to murder 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:51.919 Deputy Larry Henderson, in which it appeared about an hour 0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:54.920 got in his vehicle because he was distraught, as you 0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:59.000 could imagine, at some point decided he was going to 0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:02.040 find someone a uniform to murder, and that person was 1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:06.400 Larry Henderson, who was working a detail as a retiree, 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:09.440 making all extra money I guess, running the cameras or 1:00:09.520 --> 1:00:12.480 running the stoplets that you see for their graduations, so 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:16.200 people cross the street and had nothing to do with 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:19.919 what happened with a son and I even the same 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:21.960 department for that matter, as a sheriff's deputy, you know, 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:24.840 a since andy cop. Not that that would not that 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:27.360 that would matter at all, but he decided that this 1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:29.920 is what's going to happen. He did so because he 1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:35.920 was off his medication. For bipolar. This seems to me 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:38.360 like a lawmaker could tackle this issue. But I can 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:41.720 imagine for reasons why a lawmaker wouldn't, and that it 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:47.480 just doesn't seem just that if you are ordered by 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:52.360 your doctor you have a known serious mental deficiency, and 1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:56.040 I would say bipolar disorder is, I would say schizophrenia is. 1:00:57.840 --> 1:01:00.520 Then you have to make you have to take your mets. 1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:02.480 We know there are a lot of homeless people and 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:04.680 are homeless for a lot of reasons, but mental health 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:08.160 drives a lot of this who won't take their mets, 1:01:08.280 --> 1:01:10.240 and then we see them do things in public that 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:14.520 threaten not on the quality of life, but also may 1:01:14.800 --> 1:01:17.840 threaten or actually do bodily harm to people because they're 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:21.000 if they're mets. Can you force someone to take their medication? 1:01:22.120 --> 1:01:24.840 It's awfully tough to do unless you put them an institution, 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:27.000 which in my opinion, we need more of. We're saying 1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:29.000 we did was close all the mental hospitals back in 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:31.800 the sixties and seventies because it felt like, well, you 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:33.840 know we're not treating them, well, let's release them out 1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:35.480 in the public. Okay, great, Now what do we have? 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:38.120 We have people who have mental illnesses that are running 1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:41.000 around the streets doing things like this before you could 1:01:41.040 --> 1:01:43.360 institutionalize them. That has to come back. We've got to 1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:45.400 change that because we worried about the stigma, and that's 1:01:45.400 --> 1:01:48.479 also the problem. Well there's a stigma. Yeah, there should 1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:51.200 be a stigma. These are very serious mental issues. This 1:01:51.240 --> 1:01:53.920 isn't minor, and we're talking a handful of things that 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:57.720 would trigger the courts to enforce this. I made the 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:02.000 parallel that if I decide that I'm going to go out, 1:02:02.080 --> 1:02:05.240 or you go out and do drugs, and I'm talking 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:10.320 about drugs that would alter your mind and state. If 1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:12.720 I would consume alcohol, If I would I don't know, 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:17.080 co cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines, whatever it is, a marijuana for 1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:18.840 that matter. And I out there and I do that 1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:21.080 stuff and I kill someone and it's in my system. 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:22.760 I go to jail for that. I go to prison 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:24.520 for that as well. You should, because you made a 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:27.240 conscious effort to put something in your body that was 1:02:27.320 --> 1:02:29.960 going to cause you not to be able to operate 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:33.960 a motor vehicle using your clear mind and motor functions. Well, 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:36.200 if that's the case, then why isn't the opposite trip 1:02:37.560 --> 1:02:40.439 that if you are told by a doctor, Look, you've 1:02:40.440 --> 1:02:42.200 got to take this medication the rest of your life 1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:45.600 because you have bipolar disorder, you have schizophrenia, you have 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:48.040 very serious mental issues, and then you're able to get 1:02:48.040 --> 1:02:50.880 in a motor vehicle and drive that car without that 1:02:50.960 --> 1:02:53.880 in your body. Is it going to always happen when 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:56.920 someone goes off their mets. No, but this can't be 1:02:56.960 --> 1:03:00.760 the first time someone's done that. Doesn't that hold that 1:03:00.800 --> 1:03:03.440 person to a level of accountability. I mean, you went, 1:03:03.520 --> 1:03:06.560 you got diagnosed that you had this problem. You deserve 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:08.760 to treat that problem. And it's not like, you know, 1:03:08.800 --> 1:03:10.840 taking your heart Well, what are you saying, sloan in 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:12.320 the court is going to force you to take your 1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:17.040 heart medicine, to take your you know, get your diabetes injections. No, No, 1:03:17.200 --> 1:03:19.400 because the only person you hurt is yourself. There maybe 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:21.800 your family members, But again, we do stuff all the 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:24.200 time that hurts our family members. That shouldn't be a 1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:27.720 criminal issue. When it extends to the public at large, 1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:31.800 it's a different story, right You. Not taking something to 1:03:31.880 --> 1:03:34.720 control your A one C is much different than taking 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:37.800 something to prevent you from going on a psychotic rage, 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:40.200 on a rampage and we see it have happened in 1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:42.280 the past, whether it's mass shootings or something like this. 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:45.560 I think that's something seriously the legislature should look at. 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:51.480 Not not all drugs that deal with psychotics were not 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:54.120 certainly not everything you put in your body should be Hey, 1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:56.120 you listen, you forgot to take your I don't know, 1:03:56.640 --> 1:03:58.960 something for your blood pressure that's not the same as 1:03:59.320 --> 1:04:05.040 some sort of anti psychotic medication. Hopefully that's something we 1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:07.640 would address. I don't really see it happening because the 1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:10.400 mental health advocates will bend over backwards screaming about how 1:04:10.440 --> 1:04:13.560 this is just some more stigma. It stigmatizes the mental 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:16.080 health of people even more so, and it's going to 1:04:16.120 --> 1:04:17.800 cause them not to go get the help that they need. 1:04:17.960 --> 1:04:19.560 I don't know. This guy went and got the help 1:04:19.560 --> 1:04:22.120 he need. He still refuses to abide by the plan. 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:25.200 That seems to be as big a decision as someone 1:04:25.280 --> 1:04:28.920 drinking and driving, and yet we have high standards for that. 1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:32.000 Doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion. Something 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:34.360 else going on here that I want to get real quick. 1:04:34.960 --> 1:04:39.440 Uh So we get Maduro out. He's in in the 1:04:39.480 --> 1:04:41.840 lock up, he's in Manhattan. Hopefully it doesn't turn into 1:04:42.240 --> 1:04:45.360 last time we had somebody in a high profile individual 1:04:45.400 --> 1:04:48.280 in jail in New York City. Uh, look what helped 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:53.600 wind up happening. You know what I'm saying is not 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:56.320 Hopefully it's not doesn't not like Jeffrey Epstein. Nonetheless, Nicholas 1:04:56.400 --> 1:04:58.720 Madura's wife are in custody and it was in court 1:04:59.440 --> 1:05:03.520 and the charges against them include drug trafficking, and the 1:05:03.560 --> 1:05:05.120 idea we got Madua out of powers we got to 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:07.560 stop drug trafficking, which really there wasn't a lot of 1:05:07.600 --> 1:05:09.600 drugs he was trafficking in the US. We got to 1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:11.600 see the oil, which is the big thing. We got 1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:14.080 to save our democracy or save the democracy there. But 1:05:14.200 --> 1:05:15.960 we're back to being the world police again, which we 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:19.560 were told this administration wouldn't do. There's the issue of 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:22.920 American dominance and punishing Venezuela for sending our migrants to 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:25.120 the United States. Okay, those are the reasons why we 1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:27.640 got Madua out of power, and it's a pretty long list. 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:30.800 But there's a problem there in that if that's the standard, 1:05:30.880 --> 1:05:35.040 then what are the countries would then fall under the 1:05:35.040 --> 1:05:37.520 thumb of the United States Going Okay, we've got problem 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:39.439 with you we're going to take you over. And since 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:43.920 we're going down this road, it's kind of like a 1:05:44.360 --> 1:05:48.640 it's like a country draft. Right now, we're gonna run Venezuela. 1:05:48.840 --> 1:05:50.439 Hell at this point, just look at it going. Okay, 1:05:50.480 --> 1:05:52.960 if that's the mindset, let's lean into this thing. And 1:05:53.080 --> 1:05:57.640 what other countries should we invade? I mentioned jokingly yesterday 1:05:57.680 --> 1:05:59.840 Columbian that came out. They well, Columbia's actually one of 1:05:59.840 --> 1:06:02.840 the countries, largely because it shouldn't cost five dollars to 1:06:02.840 --> 1:06:05.800 get a cup of coffee with cream in it. Yeah, 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:09.200 the drug plot and cocaine, the cartel's okay, that's all 1:06:09.240 --> 1:06:11.440 well and good. I don't know if you'll ever completely 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:15.000 get rid of it, simply because Americans love drugs. We're 1:06:15.040 --> 1:06:17.360 talking about the Brian hitting Rodney hitting rather with the 1:06:17.440 --> 1:06:20.440 drugs there. But Americans like to self medicate. We like weed, 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:23.120 people like cocaine and heroina. I know it's not good 1:06:23.160 --> 1:06:25.400 for you, it's not good for society, but clearly there's 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:27.720 an appetite for it. There's a market for it here. 1:06:29.280 --> 1:06:31.360 People enjoy doing they know. The pitfall is kind of 1:06:31.360 --> 1:06:34.440 like smoking, right, Warren. Smoking has been going on for 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:36.160 a long time. Look, all the research that we spent 1:06:36.160 --> 1:06:38.400 to stop smoking, people still smile. They switched to vaping 1:06:38.440 --> 1:06:40.640 because it's less stressful, and now we're going after that 1:06:40.720 --> 1:06:42.880 as well. We love our vices here in America. We 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:45.720 love our vices, and we love drugs. In America, we're 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:48.360 a bunch of drug addicts. Even hell, even if you've 1:06:48.360 --> 1:06:50.920 never taken a street drug into your life, you're probably 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:55.040 still taking some medication. Our lives are improved immeasurably by drugs, 1:06:55.840 --> 1:06:59.720 legal or otherwise. So in this case, how Columbia drug 1:06:59.760 --> 1:07:02.080 probab okay, okay, can't whatever? Worried about the coffee right, 1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:05.680 which is also a drug? Like yeah, cream a couple 1:07:05.920 --> 1:07:07.600 couple of coffees with the cream, I mean large is 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:09.800 whatever they call the grandes. That's like ten, you know, 1:07:09.800 --> 1:07:12.400 fifteen bucks, Like it's a lot of money for some coffee, beans, 1:07:12.400 --> 1:07:14.680 man for for hot water and beans. You know what 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:17.440 I'm saying. We can get that cup of coffee down 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:21.560 to reasonable. What's reasonable? Two bucks two fifty two fitty 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:25.240 I'm down Columbia should be on the line. It looks 1:07:25.280 --> 1:07:26.840 like it's like kind of a nice arie Tiffy cleaned 1:07:26.880 --> 1:07:28.040 it up a little bit get rid of the drug 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:30.360 cart tells, hey, it seems like a good vacation spot 1:07:30.360 --> 1:07:33.120 for us. I agree with Cuba as well. They've been 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:34.880 a pain in the ass for a long time. These guys, 1:07:35.280 --> 1:07:37.360 plus the people there are suffering. This is and that 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:39.320 would be the best move of all time because you 1:07:39.400 --> 1:07:43.040 easily win Florida if you're a Republican. If you haven't before, 1:07:43.040 --> 1:07:46.000 you definitely you because you get that, you get that 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:49.400 ex patriot vote right there. And let's face it, the 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:51.960 people because of communism are aren't doing very well. Despite 1:07:51.960 --> 1:07:54.800 what people like Michael Moore say. It's a beautiful country 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:59.520 with horrible government, not only that being Italian and saw 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:02.720 what happened with the casinos back in the fifties with 1:08:02.800 --> 1:08:06.680 Momo Gi and Conna. You know, we built the Italian 1:08:06.720 --> 1:08:10.160 mob built the casinos down in Cuba. Fedel Castro comes along, 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:13.760 nationalizes and kicks the mob out, and their series as 1:08:13.760 --> 1:08:16.799 to why this is why Kennedy got quit an Italian 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:20.960 term whacked. There's something behind that as well. So I 1:08:20.960 --> 1:08:24.040 don't know, maybe we get our casinos back, make the 1:08:24.080 --> 1:08:27.760 mob great again. I don't think Mexico simply because it's 1:08:27.800 --> 1:08:30.200 just you know, we think of Mexico is well, it's 1:08:30.200 --> 1:08:34.519 like Cabo or you go to I don't know, Cancum. Yeah, 1:08:34.560 --> 1:08:39.080 those are are two small areas. And I think, quite honestly, 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:41.200 do this other stuff. It's gonna get Mexico in line 1:08:41.640 --> 1:08:43.840 because it seems like the new Mexican president she wants 1:08:43.840 --> 1:08:46.840 to play she wants to play ball, so maybe that's 1:08:46.840 --> 1:08:48.439 coming around with that. I would say to Brazil for 1:08:48.479 --> 1:08:50.680 the same reason. That's a big ass got it's a 1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:55.680 huge country man. And also lots of snakes, lots of 1:08:55.720 --> 1:08:58.120 snakes in the Amazon. You gotta do with the Amazon rainforest. 1:08:58.120 --> 1:09:00.800 Now you take that over. Now you inherit the whole 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:03.280 problem of global warming. And you got did I mention 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:07.240 the snakes? Giant crazy bugs as big as of Olkswagen. 1:09:07.360 --> 1:09:09.559 You know, we don't want to be in there. We 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:12.599 don't want to be in there. Brazil, Just let Brazil 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:17.800 be Brazil. Greenland's another one. I guess there's resources there 1:09:17.840 --> 1:09:22.960 and national security. Where's it go to? Greenland? Greenland's not 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:26.160 really green Greenland's actually Iceland, and Iceland is actually Greenland, 1:09:26.280 --> 1:09:29.360 as we learned in grade school. I think if you're 1:09:29.360 --> 1:09:31.200 going to invade, look at it. This way, you're Greenland, 1:09:31.200 --> 1:09:34.559 this big honk of ice. Okay, maybe they got some 1:09:34.560 --> 1:09:37.639 stuff under the ground. We want whatever, let's do Iceland. 1:09:38.000 --> 1:09:42.920 It's a lot smaller, it's tiny compared to Greenland. And 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:47.400 it's green, not Icy. It's rykevic right. You fly in, 1:09:47.439 --> 1:09:51.479 you fly out. It's nice. And not only that, if 1:09:51.520 --> 1:09:54.559 you fly to Europe, it's a good stopping point. It's 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:56.519 a good point to get out, change, stretch your legs 1:09:56.560 --> 1:09:59.280 a little bit. Well, having to go to the hassle 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:01.200 so you know, pass sports and maybe you stay there 1:10:01.240 --> 1:10:05.000 for well, it seems like, yeah, Greenland, that that Greenland 1:10:05.080 --> 1:10:07.479 is my Iceland seems to be the one. If we're 1:10:07.479 --> 1:10:10.519 going to take over another country, I'm all in on Iceland. 1:10:10.880 --> 1:10:13.280 Let's start there and expand that territory a little bit 1:10:13.320 --> 1:10:16.000 that way, just kind of you know, dipping our toe 1:10:16.040 --> 1:10:17.720 in the water. I think we've got this part of 1:10:17.720 --> 1:10:20.280 the hemisphere that you know, South America. Like I said, 1:10:20.320 --> 1:10:22.920 you know, you go after you get Cuba, you get Columbia, 1:10:23.479 --> 1:10:28.240 you take care of, you know, some of these other countries. Columbia, Columbia, 1:10:28.200 --> 1:10:30.120 I'll be happy with just column Columbia Cuba, those two 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:33.360 are that's doable. It's in the time zone. Yeah, okay, 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:35.280 if you're gonna start messing around around the other side 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:37.000 of the go to Iceland. We don't want to be 1:10:37.080 --> 1:10:39.880 going halfway on the world though. I don't know. Do 1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:42.519 we need Jamaica, Do we need Costa Rica? Do we 1:10:42.560 --> 1:10:45.040 need the Bahamas and Perua? No, you don't really need that. 1:10:46.240 --> 1:10:48.400 Those are small, tiny little island cut let them be. 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:50.519 We've got enough of a footprint if you just did those, 1:10:50.840 --> 1:10:52.599 I'd be quite content with that. As long as we're 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:56.040 taking stuff over, I say, go big or go home. 1:10:58.880 --> 1:11:03.000 Trying to think other countries. What about Germany? We need 1:11:03.040 --> 1:11:06.719 a presence, and Germany's invaded other countries before. It's about 1:11:06.720 --> 1:11:08.160 time we say, well, we're taken to see how you 1:11:08.200 --> 1:11:12.200 guys like it. Gotta be like in the Smack Daba. 1:11:12.320 --> 1:11:13.920 Now we kind of need Germany now we don't want 1:11:13.920 --> 1:11:16.080 to piss off the Germans. Plus yeah, well look at 1:11:16.080 --> 1:11:17.400 the Cincinnati connection here too. 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:19.000 Yeah. 1:11:19.040 --> 1:11:20.799 I'm just I don't know if I'm speaking it is anywhere. 1:11:21.080 --> 1:11:25.400 Like I'm trying to think of where in Africa would 1:11:25.439 --> 1:11:28.960 you want to expand to, Like Morocco. Morocco seems like 1:11:28.960 --> 1:11:33.320 a good Gride, Casablanca. You've got that whole Humphrey Bogart 1:11:33.320 --> 1:11:35.720 thing guy, And it's not quite in the desert. It's 1:11:35.760 --> 1:11:37.920 a little bit. It's on the northern right on what's 1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:41.559 right there, Spain's right there, and maybe maybe Moroccots. He 1:11:41.560 --> 1:11:48.160 has taken a Morocco as long as we're rolling, and 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:50.840 you know, I'm trying to think what the case would 1:11:50.840 --> 1:11:53.200 be against Morocco, because you got to you gotta gena. 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:56.120 Like the whole thing with Venezuela is about you know, 1:11:56.120 --> 1:11:57.920 it's about drugs, and it really isn't about getting the 1:11:57.920 --> 1:12:00.439 oil out of there. I'm not sure the oil companies 1:12:00.439 --> 1:12:02.800 are too keen on doing it because you know, again 1:12:02.840 --> 1:12:04.160 it's the flavor of the month. They get in there, 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:06.439 spend billions of dollars and then the regime changes again. 1:12:06.479 --> 1:12:09.439 Your screw, You lose all that money. You might as 1:12:09.439 --> 1:12:11.599 well just stay in the golf in the Permian basin. 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:14.800 But I'm make I go Columbia, Cuba, Iceland, those are 1:12:14.800 --> 1:12:16.519 my big ones right there. I make a list. I'm 1:12:16.600 --> 1:12:19.280 running a list over here. It's my Christmas wish list 1:12:19.320 --> 1:12:23.360 for this year. It's only what three hundred and sixty 1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:25.720 something shopping days left. Scott's Long Show. It's the home 1:12:25.720 --> 1:12:27.880 of the best Bengals coverage, now the home of the Reds. 1:12:28.040 --> 1:12:29.519 Seven hundred ww sins. 1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:32.320 Name American Medio. 1:12:32.680 --> 1:12:35.559 Tuesday Morning, Scott's Slung Show, seven hundred w Well, w 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:38.840 welcome to it. New Year's Day is behind us and 1:12:38.960 --> 1:12:42.800 here we are. Today is a holiday. Did you know this? 1:12:43.160 --> 1:12:48.160 Today is known as divorce day? Divorce Day is today. 1:12:48.200 --> 1:12:51.080 It's because I don't know how they calculated this, but 1:12:51.120 --> 1:12:53.679 we'll run with it. We start to see a spike 1:12:53.720 --> 1:12:56.760 in divorce filings this month. I guess that makes sense 1:12:56.840 --> 1:12:59.479 because you know, you get through the holidays and you realize, 1:12:59.520 --> 1:13:01.160 as you spend a lot of time around people, because 1:13:01.160 --> 1:13:04.839 most people have the week or weeks off, there's you know, events, 1:13:04.880 --> 1:13:06.800 there's get together with friends and family and more, and 1:13:06.880 --> 1:13:10.280 you realize how mouch you hate that person who's ring 1:13:10.320 --> 1:13:11.760 is on your finger and you want to take that 1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:14.799 ring off and fired in the drink. Jason Philibaum family 1:13:14.840 --> 1:13:16.920 lawyer of Attorney at Law, joining the show once again 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:18.040 to discuss Jason. 1:13:17.760 --> 1:13:20.600 How are you good morning, doing well? Thank you? 1:13:20.880 --> 1:13:23.439 What is the number one clause of divorce you see 1:13:23.439 --> 1:13:25.160 these days? 1:13:25.160 --> 1:13:28.240 Marriage without a doubt, if you don't get married, you 1:13:28.280 --> 1:13:33.439 will not get divorced. But all in all reality, a 1:13:33.479 --> 1:13:36.920 lot of it's about kids and finances, and so what 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:39.200 I tell people that are looking to get married be 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:43.200 I don't is you know, go and get pre maret, 1:13:43.200 --> 1:13:45.840 the counseling, and really talk about how you're going to 1:13:45.920 --> 1:13:48.400 raise kids, how many kids you want? You know, you 1:13:48.439 --> 1:13:50.840 get into a marriage, one person wants one, one person 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:54.080 wants four. There's fights. I just recently did a divorce 1:13:54.200 --> 1:13:56.720 because a you know, a couple wouldn't have kids, and 1:13:56.760 --> 1:13:59.320 one of them won on it. Another big thing I 1:13:59.360 --> 1:14:03.160 see is finances. I can't tell you how many spend thrifts. 1:14:03.200 --> 1:14:07.920 There are both male and female hidden credit cards. You know, 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:11.160 people work hard and come home and their spouse pay 1:14:11.400 --> 1:14:15.880 you know, spends all the money on whatever involve trips, shoes, 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:19.080 I've seen both. Those are probably the too biggest. And 1:14:19.120 --> 1:14:22.200 then the third is more of a psychological question. But 1:14:22.479 --> 1:14:24.839 I think people just stop working at it, and before 1:14:24.880 --> 1:14:29.879 you know, you become roommates instead of lovers and friends, 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:33.000 and then that creates all kinds of other issues. 1:14:33.400 --> 1:14:35.559 Yeah, that's probably true. I mean I've seen it time 1:14:35.560 --> 1:14:37.439 and time again with friends where you know your kids 1:14:37.439 --> 1:14:39.000 it's all about sports and the like, I know your 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:40.840 family's involved in that kind of stuff, and you heay, 1:14:40.840 --> 1:14:43.000 it's kids, kids, kids, and you make friends and once 1:14:43.040 --> 1:14:45.519 sports goes away, they graduate and it's like, Okay, now 1:14:45.600 --> 1:14:47.160 we have nothing in common and you kind of got 1:14:47.200 --> 1:14:50.800 to work on that before your youngest one winds up 1:14:50.880 --> 1:14:52.720 leaving the house, otherwise it could set you up for 1:14:52.800 --> 1:14:55.320 something like this exactly. 1:14:55.520 --> 1:14:57.720 And you're right. I mean I see all kinds of 1:14:58.200 --> 1:15:01.240 divorced filings in January. I get a lot of calls 1:15:01.280 --> 1:15:04.920 in December with people asking questions, and then January and 1:15:04.960 --> 1:15:08.439 February always tend to be the biggest day months that 1:15:08.520 --> 1:15:10.920 you file for divorce. I think you hit on it, 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:14.599 which is your home with the family, and you're you know, 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:17.360 like it's spike during COVID because people were home together 1:15:17.400 --> 1:15:19.439 and they started really, wait a second, I don't know 1:15:19.479 --> 1:15:21.360 if I like this person very much. I mean that 1:15:21.439 --> 1:15:23.439 happens to the holidays as well. But I think a 1:15:23.479 --> 1:15:25.160 lot of people are like, I just want to get 1:15:25.160 --> 1:15:27.240 through the holidays, you know, I want to give my 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:30.519 kids one last Christmas. I want to you know not, 1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:33.040 And then I want to do it in January because 1:15:33.040 --> 1:15:35.040 I want to have it settled by the next school year, 1:15:35.360 --> 1:15:38.360 and divorces can take six to eighteen months to resolve, 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:42.400 So if you start it in January, you probably will 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:44.519 have a pretty good idea of what's going on by 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:46.759 the time kids will go back to school in August. 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:50.960 The other thing you know is tax returns. People, you know, 1:15:51.160 --> 1:15:54.200 divorces are expensive. You've got to pay attorneys, and so 1:15:54.280 --> 1:15:56.439 a lot of times people will wait until they're getting 1:15:56.439 --> 1:15:59.640 their tax returns end of January early February so they 1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:00.719 can pay legal bill. 1:16:02.160 --> 1:16:04.160 You know, if you've been around the block a little bit, 1:16:04.160 --> 1:16:06.839 you have friends, family members, whoever, who have went through divorce, 1:16:06.880 --> 1:16:08.800 and it's it's not cheap. You're one hundred percent right 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:10.840 about that. In the division of assets, in the accra, 1:16:11.360 --> 1:16:13.760 all the things involved with it just terrific. Is I 1:16:13.800 --> 1:16:15.960 remember anyone who goes through it and goes you know, 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:19.639 maybe because when we're compatible, but man, the financial burden, 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:22.439 the stress of going through this is just its next level. 1:16:22.520 --> 1:16:25.280 So would your advice then be, hey, try to settle 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:28.439 this before you come to see me, because no one 1:16:28.520 --> 1:16:30.320 is ever happy. No one leaves with what they want 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:30.839 in a divorce. 1:16:32.160 --> 1:16:34.880 Yeah, So what I recommend to clients is, first of all, 1:16:35.120 --> 1:16:38.559 I find out are they in a position where we 1:16:38.560 --> 1:16:41.120 can maybe do a dissolution, because that'll cut a cost 1:16:41.160 --> 1:16:45.160 by you know, seventy five eighty percent. It really really 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:47.800 streamlines it if you can do a dissolution, but you 1:16:47.880 --> 1:16:51.200 have to agree on everything, one hundred percent agreement, and 1:16:51.880 --> 1:16:55.040 very quickly I can find out in a free consultation 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:58.880 I give to clients whether or not they're likely to 1:16:58.920 --> 1:17:01.600 have in the solution. If not, then you're going to 1:17:01.680 --> 1:17:03.720 have to file. You're going to have to go through 1:17:03.720 --> 1:17:06.439 that process. And you're right if other than the death 1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:09.360 in the family, divorce usually is the most stressful time 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:11.639 that you're going to go through in your life. I 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:14.160 see it, you know, even if you don't have kids, 1:17:14.200 --> 1:17:17.720 but especially when you have kids, because even if you're 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:20.400 the best parents in the whole world, you're losing half 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:23.840 the time with your children, You're doubling your expenses, and 1:17:23.880 --> 1:17:27.080 you're cutting half your income away. So it's very stressful 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:29.800 for pretty much everyone that goes through it, whether they 1:17:29.840 --> 1:17:30.479 want it or not. 1:17:31.040 --> 1:17:32.720 It is very strategy to do this as far as 1:17:32.760 --> 1:17:34.479 timing goes, you mentioned taxes. What else do you have 1:17:34.520 --> 1:17:34.960 to consider? 1:17:36.439 --> 1:17:39.800 So the biggest issue I tell people is you have 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:43.200 to think about school. If you file in May and 1:17:43.280 --> 1:17:45.560 you hope that you're going to have the school situation 1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:49.280 settled by August and the parents are not in a lie, 1:17:49.400 --> 1:17:53.840 it's not going to happen. So I think people, you know, 1:17:54.200 --> 1:17:57.599 six to eighteen months for a divorced so somewhere between 1:17:57.720 --> 1:18:02.400 October and January is the prime filing if you want 1:18:02.439 --> 1:18:06.280 to have things settled at least from a kid's perspective, 1:18:06.360 --> 1:18:10.360 by by you know, August when they go back to school. 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:14.200 I've had divorce couples come to me and say, hey, 1:18:14.280 --> 1:18:17.799 I want to change school and the other person doesn't agree. 1:18:18.080 --> 1:18:21.160 And by the way, it's July. I'm like, the course 1:18:21.200 --> 1:18:23.080 are not going to hear your case within a month. 1:18:23.200 --> 1:18:25.000 You're not going to be able to switch schools in 1:18:25.080 --> 1:18:27.840 a month unless you have an agreement. So people that 1:18:27.880 --> 1:18:31.240 are looking to switch gold even post divorce, still have 1:18:31.360 --> 1:18:33.760 the file emotion and get into court, and you know, 1:18:33.800 --> 1:18:38.519 I recommend doing that by March or April, so you know, divorce, 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:41.639 I think January is a good time for that. Filing 1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:44.120 in December is always rough. So that's why people wait 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:46.680 till January. And then there's probably a whole host of 1:18:46.720 --> 1:18:50.120 things I tell clients when they call either in November December, 1:18:50.439 --> 1:18:53.360 you know, things that they should and shouldn't do before 1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:56.559 and during the original filing part of it. 1:18:56.920 --> 1:18:59.600 Attorney Jason Phillibum on The Scotsland Show seven hundred W 1:18:59.880 --> 1:19:02.680 l W. Today is divorce day, known as divorce day 1:19:02.720 --> 1:19:05.080 because this is peak day people start coming in after 1:19:05.120 --> 1:19:07.960 the holidays and realizing I shouldn't be married to this person, 1:19:08.000 --> 1:19:10.040 and they file for divorce. And so you see the 1:19:10.080 --> 1:19:12.120 spike all the way through because you suffer through the 1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:14.439 holidays and that probably finalized the deal, or you wanted 1:19:14.479 --> 1:19:17.120 to get through the holidays because of you know, hanging 1:19:17.120 --> 1:19:19.120 out with family members and friends and the kids and 1:19:19.160 --> 1:19:20.880 all that stuff too, and then you want to go, okay, 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:22.559 well we're going to start the new year. My resolution 1:19:22.720 --> 1:19:26.400 is to to dumpyard dead ass. How much time? How 1:19:26.400 --> 1:19:28.439 often is it is it? Is it usually mutual that 1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:30.320 couples kind of come in together. Are they come in 1:19:30.360 --> 1:19:32.599 and go, okay, well we talked about it, we're gonna 1:19:32.640 --> 1:19:36.120 we're gonna break up, As opposed to the very theatrical 1:19:36.120 --> 1:19:37.920 one where someone will gets served and they have no no, 1:19:38.320 --> 1:19:39.960 and they had no warning ahead of time. 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:43.559 Well, I would say a lot of people have warning 1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:46.639 ahead of time. They see the warning signs, they talked 1:19:46.680 --> 1:19:50.280 about it. But with that said, there's still a lot 1:19:50.320 --> 1:19:52.719 of people that just don't agree. Even if you're unhappy 1:19:52.720 --> 1:19:55.400 in your marriage, whether it's a guy or a girl, 1:19:55.479 --> 1:19:58.080 whether you're unhappy, you don't want to get divorced. You 1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:00.120 don't want to put your kids through that. So I 1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:03.639 would say, you know, other than a dissolution, a lot 1:20:03.680 --> 1:20:06.600 of divorces are self contested and they sell bite and 1:20:06.760 --> 1:20:08.439 I'll give you some free I gave you a shelf 1:20:08.479 --> 1:20:10.360 fre invites. I'm going to give you the same freevit. 1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:15.840 But in all seriousness, there's a few things I tell 1:20:15.880 --> 1:20:19.200 every client that calls me. Number one is treat your 1:20:19.200 --> 1:20:22.519 house right now like an insurance claim. Go through in 1:20:22.760 --> 1:20:26.439 videotape everything you have in the house videotape. The you 1:20:26.479 --> 1:20:29.559 know whether it's in good condition or bad condition. One 1:20:29.600 --> 1:20:31.880 of the big fights that we have is, oh, that 1:20:32.000 --> 1:20:34.760 paintings worth five thousand dollars and the other person said, no, 1:20:34.880 --> 1:20:36.599 that painting. We got rid of it three years ago. 1:20:36.920 --> 1:20:38.800 Well there's a video of it on the wall two 1:20:38.880 --> 1:20:43.120 weeks ago, so that's not true. Or you know, they'll say, hey, 1:20:43.200 --> 1:20:46.800 that this item is worth this amount of money and 1:20:46.840 --> 1:20:48.640 I'm like, no, this is the shape that it's in, 1:20:48.720 --> 1:20:52.200 it's not. So you do it for insurance. So I say, 1:20:52.240 --> 1:20:54.080 it's not a bad idea to go through and just 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:58.600 videotape your items in your house. Insurance companies tell you 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:00.559 to do that in cases of five or a fact. 1:21:00.960 --> 1:21:04.519 So before you start a divorce process, that's that would 1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:07.800 be a nice way to catalog everything. The second thing 1:21:07.840 --> 1:21:09.639 I tell people is don't move out of the house 1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:13.360 unless there's domestic violence or danger or you know, things 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:15.760 like that. Don't move out of the house because you 1:21:15.800 --> 1:21:20.599 are giving up probably your most important asset and losing 1:21:20.640 --> 1:21:23.640 control of that during the divorce process. Plus, if you 1:21:23.720 --> 1:21:27.479 have kids and you don't have a plan for you know, 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:29.760 what kind of parenting time you can have during the 1:21:29.880 --> 1:21:32.439 tendency of the divorce, it could take three to six 1:21:32.560 --> 1:21:36.280 months for court to make a decision on what parenting 1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:39.040 time is. So if you move out, I've seen situations 1:21:39.040 --> 1:21:40.960 where people have been kind of kept away from their 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:44.360 kids for months. So those are the two biggest pieces 1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:46.639 of advice I give is don't move out without talking 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:50.240 to an attorney first, and catalog your items just by 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:52.920 doing a quick you know, video of it like you 1:21:52.960 --> 1:21:54.439 would for insurance Jase. 1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:56.680 The other one is money, and I mean, we have 1:21:56.720 --> 1:21:58.760 a lot of passwords these days. Should you go through 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:00.840 once this looks like it's going to happen and change 1:22:00.880 --> 1:22:03.679 all your passwords the ones that he or she may 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:06.960 know of. Check the beneficiary as insurance policy. Make sure 1:22:06.960 --> 1:22:09.240 your bank accounts aren't going to get cleaned out, because 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:10.840 you hear that from time to time as well. How 1:22:10.840 --> 1:22:13.439 do you protect yourself with the capital that you have 1:22:13.520 --> 1:22:16.040 on hand or actually the thing's worth something that you 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:16.559 have on hand. 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:20.799 Sure, there's two distinctions. The first one, if something's been filed, 1:22:21.080 --> 1:22:23.920 the court's going to put on a temporary restraining order 1:22:23.960 --> 1:22:27.439 that says you cannot sell or dispose of items. So 1:22:27.680 --> 1:22:30.120 at that point you got to be careful what you do, 1:22:30.200 --> 1:22:33.400 So talk to an attorney specifically before you do anything. 1:22:33.680 --> 1:22:37.000 If there's been a filing. Prior to filing, what a 1:22:37.000 --> 1:22:39.400 lot of people will do is is to do exactly 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:41.720 what you said. They want to make sure that their 1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:45.800 money is in order. If there's a huge savings account, 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:48.680 some people are afraid the other side might take it 1:22:48.720 --> 1:22:52.479 and dispose of it. So I always tell people, don't 1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:54.560 dispose of it. That's going to come back to bite you. 1:22:54.880 --> 1:22:57.200 Don't go to the boat, don't go to the casino. 1:22:57.600 --> 1:22:59.879 But I think it's okay to put it in another 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:04.599 safe account that's held there until the court decides how 1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:07.519 to divide it. I've had a situation where a guy 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:10.519 had a lot of money in savings. He took it out, 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:13.240 he put it in another staving's account, filed for divorce, 1:23:13.520 --> 1:23:15.839 and then very quickly I spoke with the other attorney 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:19.120 and said, hey, he's willing to split this this marital assets, 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:21.760 but make sure we take that into account at the 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:24.280 end of the cave. And so we did a temporary agreement, 1:23:24.360 --> 1:23:27.960 we split the money. That's I had another situation where 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:30.080 I advised the client to do that, he didn't and 1:23:30.160 --> 1:23:32.479 the life took it and then he was without the 1:23:32.479 --> 1:23:35.440 ability to pay bills. So that those are all concerns, 1:23:35.439 --> 1:23:38.600 and that's why I give a free consultation, and I 1:23:38.640 --> 1:23:41.919 suggest before you do anything like that, talk to an attorney, 1:23:41.960 --> 1:23:43.840 so you do it. The right way. You do it 1:23:43.880 --> 1:23:46.240 the legal way, and then you do it the fair way, 1:23:46.280 --> 1:23:49.160 because at the end of the day, in Ohio, the 1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:51.280 court is going to split it over your assets and 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:55.040 all your dad's fifty to fifty unless there's financial misconduct 1:23:55.240 --> 1:23:58.000 or something like that. It's the fifty to fifty state. 1:23:58.160 --> 1:24:00.360 And so you want to make sure you act fairly 1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:02.760 because the judge is going to require that at the end. 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:05.880 What about social media? You know, when someone files for 1:24:06.000 --> 1:24:08.439 divorces split up, generally there's some macrimony there. And you 1:24:08.720 --> 1:24:11.200 tell me you may a lash out that you don't 1:24:11.200 --> 1:24:12.519 want to do anything. You basically want to keep the 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:13.120 status quo. 1:24:14.600 --> 1:24:19.639 Yes, because divorces are very emotional, and again it happens 1:24:19.640 --> 1:24:23.160 on both sides, men and women. They get very emotional 1:24:23.240 --> 1:24:26.760 during divorces. And you know, this is a business transaction. 1:24:26.840 --> 1:24:30.160 It's a mass problem. Let's take all your assets, divide 1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:32.960 by two, all your debts divide by two, and then's 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:35.559 figure out what's tech interest for your kids. That's a 1:24:35.840 --> 1:24:39.479 very simple equation, but it becomes so complicated because there's 1:24:39.479 --> 1:24:42.559 so much emotion. And so I tell clients don't do 1:24:42.720 --> 1:24:45.519 anything that's going to you know, put fire on the flame. 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:48.240 You've got a fire right now, and you know your 1:24:48.280 --> 1:24:50.639 life is kind of burning. That's how the forces are. 1:24:50.880 --> 1:24:53.599 That's contain it. Let's get it to make sure there's 1:24:53.640 --> 1:24:56.679 no long term damage. You start going on social media 1:24:56.680 --> 1:24:59.920 and posting about a new boyfriend or girlfriend, or post 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:03.960 about all the bad things you're spouted, just take gasoline 1:25:04.000 --> 1:25:07.479 import on that fire. It's no longer a controllable situation. 1:25:07.600 --> 1:25:09.880 So I tell people, you know, it's not something you 1:25:09.960 --> 1:25:12.439 have to do. You don't have to not talk about 1:25:12.600 --> 1:25:15.880 your divorce, but I would very much keep everything off 1:25:15.960 --> 1:25:18.400 social media because you don't want to do anything to 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:20.280 make it more difficult than it already is. 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:23.360 All right, before we go, Jason on this divorce day, 1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:27.280 what if you are just completely blindsided about this, because 1:25:27.320 --> 1:25:30.200 that happens probably more often than you think, where someone 1:25:30.200 --> 1:25:32.840 says everything's fye. Next thing you know, they're being served 1:25:32.840 --> 1:25:36.600 papers and you're caught like a deer in headlights. I 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:39.200 obviously the first step would be to hire an attorney immediately. 1:25:39.240 --> 1:25:42.160 It's not sooner, but there's all sorts of deadlines. I 1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:44.080 know people who have gone, well, I just ignore it, 1:25:44.120 --> 1:25:45.439 maybe it'll go away, and it doesn't. 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:49.320 Yeah, that's actually the first thought I had when you 1:25:49.360 --> 1:25:51.640 ask that question, and do not put your head in 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:55.320 the sand. You may not want it, you may want 1:25:55.320 --> 1:25:57.800 to fight it. There are ways that we can, you know, 1:25:58.160 --> 1:25:59.960 sort of delay it to see if there's a way 1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:03.000 for reconciliation. But the most important thing you should do 1:26:03.200 --> 1:26:06.200 is get an attorney. Do it right away. You've got 1:26:06.200 --> 1:26:08.240 to make sure your rights are protected. You've got to 1:26:08.280 --> 1:26:10.559 make sure all the two lines are protected, and then 1:26:10.600 --> 1:26:14.680 we can talk about strategies moving forward. The worst thing 1:26:14.720 --> 1:26:16.439 you can do, though, is put your head in the 1:26:16.479 --> 1:26:20.720 stand and ignore it. Even even people that file their 1:26:20.760 --> 1:26:22.599 own answer you know, I don't want to do this, 1:26:22.720 --> 1:26:24.559 or I don't want a divorce. I don't think you know, 1:26:24.880 --> 1:26:29.000 we're not you know whatever that's stell you're putting yourself. 1:26:29.360 --> 1:26:32.080 I've had a situation where a person tried to do 1:26:32.120 --> 1:26:34.639 it on their own and end up getting blocked from 1:26:34.680 --> 1:26:38.240 seeing their kids for nine months. Had they got an attorney, 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:40.920 I think I think that would have probably only been 1:26:40.960 --> 1:26:43.320 about a month. So there's a lot of things that 1:26:43.360 --> 1:26:45.879 can go wrong by trying to do it doing it yourself. 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:48.559 So don't put your head in the stand. Get an attorney. 1:26:48.600 --> 1:26:52.439 Right away, and then you know, counseling. You know, I 1:26:53.320 --> 1:26:56.679 do refer not specifically two people, but I tell clients 1:26:56.680 --> 1:26:59.600 you should talk to a counselor because this is, like 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:01.840 I said at the beginning of the call, one of 1:27:01.880 --> 1:27:04.599 the most difficult situations you're going to go through outside 1:27:04.680 --> 1:27:06.800 of death in the family. And you know, if you 1:27:06.880 --> 1:27:08.840 had a death in the family and you're feeling this way, 1:27:09.080 --> 1:27:11.400 you'd go talk to a counselor. I think it's okay 1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:13.680 to have someone that you can kind of dump your 1:27:13.680 --> 1:27:16.360 mental track with because this is going to be sort 1:27:16.360 --> 1:27:17.080 of a long fight. 1:27:17.800 --> 1:27:20.240 Yeah, and I know for sure I've never been to this, 1:27:20.360 --> 1:27:23.840 fortunately knock Wood, thank God. But there's a limited amount 1:27:23.840 --> 1:27:25.599 of time you have to sign those spaed you don't 1:27:25.600 --> 1:27:28.120 respond to the papers, you're an automatic default. There's judgments 1:27:28.160 --> 1:27:31.240 filed against you automatically if you don't respond correct. 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:35.599 Yes, you have twenty eight days to file and answer. However, 1:27:36.160 --> 1:27:39.160 a lot of times they will ask for temporary orders 1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:43.280 thousand support and support parenting time. You have fourteen days 1:27:43.320 --> 1:27:45.920 to respond to that. So if you don't get an 1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:49.680 attorney within those first fourteen days, you could have an 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:53.519 award go into a fact that's temporary that you can't afford. 1:27:54.439 --> 1:27:57.360 You know, I've seen you know, hopefully attorneys don't do this, 1:27:57.439 --> 1:28:00.439 but I've seen people, you know, say your style is 1:28:00.600 --> 1:28:03.519 three hundred thousand dollars when it's fifty. And then all 1:28:03.560 --> 1:28:06.160 of a sudden, the judge is awarding an order based 1:28:06.200 --> 1:28:08.360 on a three hundred thousand dollars amount instead of a 1:28:08.439 --> 1:28:12.000 fifty one thousand dollars amount. And then now you're paying 1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:14.280 something that you can't avoid, and it's going to take 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:17.639 months to get that change. So fourteen days if there's 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:21.559 temporary orders requested, twenty eight days to file a formal answer. 1:28:22.040 --> 1:28:24.439 But you should get an attorney right away. They can 1:28:24.479 --> 1:28:26.720 look at the paperwork and they can tell you, you know, 1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:27.599 what needs to be done. 1:28:27.640 --> 1:28:30.200 And when Yeah, it's sad. How many times do people 1:28:30.240 --> 1:28:32.160 come to you and then realize, hey, this, you know what, 1:28:32.400 --> 1:28:34.920 maybe we can work it out because you think, ah, 1:28:35.000 --> 1:28:37.320 divorce ripped the band aid off. It's it's basically a 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:39.880 year of hell. Everyone I've known that's gone through this, 1:28:40.040 --> 1:28:43.640 whether it's you know, an agreeable divorces, you may even disillusions, 1:28:43.640 --> 1:28:46.280 there's a lot of pain and emotion and that is 1:28:46.320 --> 1:28:49.439 tough to tamp down because we are emotional creatures, as 1:28:49.479 --> 1:28:51.080 you said. But how many people come to you in 1:28:51.120 --> 1:28:53.640 Afric consulting attorneys try to fix it or wind up 1:28:53.640 --> 1:28:55.800 walking away going you know what, we'll just we'll deal 1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:56.840 with it. We'll figure this out. 1:28:58.120 --> 1:29:00.800 So I've I've been doing this twenty six years, and 1:29:00.880 --> 1:29:03.920 I've been doing the worst cases, you know, pretty much 1:29:04.240 --> 1:29:07.840 full time for sixteen years. And I can tell you 1:29:07.880 --> 1:29:10.559 that I can count on my right hand how many 1:29:10.600 --> 1:29:14.479 times people have gotten back together. Two of those were 1:29:14.600 --> 1:29:19.080 during the divorce. They filed emotion to essentially stay it 1:29:19.160 --> 1:29:23.439 so they can reconcile, and they did. Three was accid 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:26.880 of divorce, the divorce ended, and then a few, you know, 1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:30.479 months later, they started dating again. And my recommendation is 1:29:30.479 --> 1:29:34.719 still don't remarry. But still it doesn't happen very often. 1:29:34.800 --> 1:29:37.479 So I tell clients it's okay to hope that you 1:29:37.560 --> 1:29:41.960 might reconcile, It's okay to request the counseling, but you 1:29:42.040 --> 1:29:44.760 need you need to go forward with the idea that 1:29:44.840 --> 1:29:48.040 this is happening, and my job is to help walk 1:29:48.080 --> 1:29:51.400 you through the divorce, you know. And again you go 1:29:51.520 --> 1:29:53.479 to a counselor and they'll talk to you about the 1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:56.000 other part of it. But you know what, pure numbers, 1:29:56.040 --> 1:29:58.799 it's very rare. It's a lot more rare than people think. 1:29:58.920 --> 1:30:01.480 Till about you on that team Scott or team Michelle. 1:30:01.720 --> 1:30:02.559 If it comes down to. 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:07.920 The right now, you know, yeah, the few. 1:30:08.120 --> 1:30:10.280 It's funny because I've talked to many attorneys and they 1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:13.040 always side with my wife, going, no, you do whatever 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:14.360 she does. You got a comming son. 1:30:15.720 --> 1:30:18.200 Didn't you tell me not to go to war with 1:30:18.240 --> 1:30:22.519 someone that has the air waves every day? With that said, 1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:26.920 you know who I like better is a whole different story. Yes, right, yes, correct, Yeah, 1:30:27.000 --> 1:30:28.600 I'm on the radio. I'm on your side, and. 1:30:28.640 --> 1:30:30.360 We got divorce. I'd be on her side too. It's 1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:33.120 like take it all you deserve it. Attorney Jason Phillips. 1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:34.920 I just got a tech from Michelle. 1:30:35.479 --> 1:30:39.160 Michelle, I am teasing, yes, yes, yes, yes, So she's 1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:41.519 all over this or radar one off. Jason phil Obama 1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:44.920 attorney a law. He's he's the best. If you need him, 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:45.439 he's there for you. 1:30:45.560 --> 1:30:45.800 Jason. 1:30:45.800 --> 1:30:46.840 Thanks again, appreciate you. 1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:48.160 I appreciate it. 1:30:48.200 --> 1:30:48.400 Thank you. 1:30:48.479 --> 1:30:50.360 All right, run it a little bit late here and 1:30:52.080 --> 1:30:54.280 yeah after this it' said's simply not happening. But man, 1:30:54.560 --> 1:30:57.120 I've still so many friends, as you know, been through 1:30:57.160 --> 1:30:58.840 this and you may have as well. It's a really, 1:30:58.840 --> 1:31:03.080 really difficult thing. But today is divorce Day twenty twenty six. 1:31:03.200 --> 1:31:04.680 Just so you know, seven hundred deul do all the 1:31:04.760 --> 1:31:06.760 Scots launship time to. 1:31:06.920 --> 1:31:10.040 Talk about money, how to make it, how to keep it, 1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:13.040 and how to keep others off your stack. 1:31:16.720 --> 1:31:20.519 This is all worth advice with Andy Schaeffer. Andy, happy you. 1:31:20.520 --> 1:31:20.960 Good morning. 1:31:21.280 --> 1:31:22.120 Happy Now you're Scott. 1:31:22.160 --> 1:31:22.679 How are you today? 1:31:22.720 --> 1:31:24.560 I'm doing well because the markets are doing well. We 1:31:24.560 --> 1:31:25.720 should all be happy about that. 1:31:26.240 --> 1:31:26.439 Yeah. 1:31:26.479 --> 1:31:28.960 I think the markets so far have kind of shrugged 1:31:29.000 --> 1:31:32.439 off the arrest of Nicholas Maduro by the United States. 1:31:32.960 --> 1:31:35.639 I don't think it's going to have a near term 1:31:35.680 --> 1:31:40.360 economic consequence for the globalifications will reverberate for years to come, 1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:43.320 but it remains to be seen. A lot of oil 1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:46.600 heavy and energy heavy stocks performed very well yesterday and 1:31:46.640 --> 1:31:47.920 that's what really drove the market. 1:31:49.240 --> 1:31:52.120 Yeah, and things are looking up and you think, man, okay, hey, 1:31:52.160 --> 1:31:55.480 we're gonna take over the leader of Venezuelan and incarcerat 1:31:55.560 --> 1:31:57.320 them and charge them, and you think the market to 1:31:57.360 --> 1:32:00.519 go bonkers. And they're not what we often talk about. 1:32:00.560 --> 1:32:02.840 How you know, the markets are about green, not blue 1:32:02.880 --> 1:32:05.479 or red. But there is a certain amount of impact 1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:08.160 the president or administration will have on the markets on 1:32:08.200 --> 1:32:10.800 a day to day basis. For sure, Why didn't we see, 1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:13.080 in your opinion, any movement this way? Why do things 1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:13.880 get better not worse? 1:32:14.240 --> 1:32:14.800 Well, you have to. 1:32:14.840 --> 1:32:17.600 Understand politics only plays about a seventeen percent role in 1:32:17.640 --> 1:32:20.200 our total GDP. So while it does have an impact, 1:32:21.120 --> 1:32:23.519 most of our economy is driven by the consumer. We're 1:32:23.560 --> 1:32:27.599 seventy percent of the total GDP that we measure. And 1:32:27.680 --> 1:32:31.280 so with Venezuela, you have to understand since twenty ten, 1:32:31.880 --> 1:32:36.479 their infrastructure has diminished significantly. They had a mass exodus 1:32:36.479 --> 1:32:40.559 in twenty thirteen. And as far as their oil production, 1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:43.719 they used to account for about one percent of global 1:32:43.720 --> 1:32:47.040 GDP and produce around three point five million barrels per day. 1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:50.360 Today it only represents abouero point one percent of the 1:32:50.360 --> 1:32:54.800 world GDP and produces only about you know, less than that, 1:32:55.600 --> 1:32:57.519 you know as we move forward, and a lot of 1:32:57.520 --> 1:33:00.839 that has to do with the infrastructure decline under Chavez 1:33:00.920 --> 1:33:03.160 and Maduro over the years. 1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:04.040 And the other. 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:07.520 Significant impact is that you know, the oil in Venezuela, 1:33:07.640 --> 1:33:10.640 which is the largest proven reserves that we know of, 1:33:11.760 --> 1:33:15.000 is very heavy. It takes a lot of cost to 1:33:15.240 --> 1:33:19.840 refine and produce. And so while it seems that there 1:33:19.840 --> 1:33:23.120 could be a shakeup, from a geopolitical standpoint, you know, 1:33:23.280 --> 1:33:26.280 Venezuela's economy is not very robust. It only accounts for 1:33:26.320 --> 1:33:28.800 about one hundred and twenty billion dollars when the United 1:33:28.840 --> 1:33:32.640 States is about thirty trillion, and so Venezuela's economy is 1:33:32.680 --> 1:33:35.519 about the size of West Virginia's and so in the 1:33:35.560 --> 1:33:38.920 big scheme of things, it doesn't really matter today as 1:33:38.960 --> 1:33:42.080 far as this is concerned from an economic standpoint. Geopolitically 1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:45.679 is a total different conversation. But from an economic standpoint, 1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:46.800 it doesn't really move the needle. 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:49.160 Yeah, okay, that it makes sense. And as far as 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:53.040 all the futures, but particularly oil stocks did really really 1:33:53.040 --> 1:33:55.800 well yesterday on that news. But I look at it 1:33:55.840 --> 1:33:57.960 and go, man, it's it's that's a lot to ask 1:33:58.040 --> 1:34:01.439 because you know, as you know, drilling anything you've watched 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:04.240 Landman for example, which is an awesome show, you know 1:34:04.280 --> 1:34:06.519 how expensive it is just to drill and speculate on 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:09.280 the oil markets too. I would think if I were 1:34:09.280 --> 1:34:10.840 one of the big oil companies. And maybe this is 1:34:10.840 --> 1:34:13.879 why they're not saying much about this outside of Chevron, 1:34:13.920 --> 1:34:16.719 I think is that they don't know what the political 1:34:16.760 --> 1:34:18.080 situation is. The last thing you want to do is 1:34:18.120 --> 1:34:22.559 spend hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars to 1:34:22.720 --> 1:34:25.080 explore in Venezuela. They have some regime come and cut 1:34:25.120 --> 1:34:27.719 you out and nationalize it again. And so it isn't 1:34:27.720 --> 1:34:30.840 it safer for them to continue to drill in the 1:34:30.880 --> 1:34:32.679 golf and in the premium basin. 1:34:33.320 --> 1:34:35.120 Yeah, the permium basin makes a lot of sense, and 1:34:35.160 --> 1:34:38.120 there's a lot of clean shale there, you know, so 1:34:38.360 --> 1:34:41.600 it makes it easier to extract and refine. But you know, 1:34:41.640 --> 1:34:44.960 if you're looking at it from an energy company's perspective, 1:34:45.680 --> 1:34:47.800 this will likely shake out over the next few months 1:34:47.800 --> 1:34:50.200 to get a better understanding of what the political picture 1:34:50.280 --> 1:34:52.200 is going to look like in Venezuela, and there is 1:34:52.600 --> 1:34:55.280 there will be a lot of room for investment opportunity, 1:34:55.280 --> 1:34:58.400 and that's what these companies are looking at now. Overall, 1:34:58.439 --> 1:35:00.680 when you talk about oil and the price of the 1:35:00.680 --> 1:35:03.160 price of oil, the bigger picture is that the rising 1:35:03.160 --> 1:35:06.559 output in the United States and OPEC will dominate oil 1:35:06.640 --> 1:35:09.799 market dynamics for the coming years. And so just because 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:12.040 of you know, those two entities, we expect the global 1:35:12.040 --> 1:35:14.320 supply growth over the next year so to push oil 1:35:14.320 --> 1:35:17.280 prices down to about fifty dollars per barrel. So again 1:35:17.640 --> 1:35:20.760 it's it's more about US as as opposed to Venezuela. 1:35:20.920 --> 1:35:23.639 And you know, I think some energy companies have some 1:35:24.600 --> 1:35:28.400 I would say hesitant optimism about investment in Venezuela. 1:35:28.520 --> 1:35:29.799 Then time will tell. 1:35:29.840 --> 1:35:33.200 All right, from a financial market standpoint, Andy Schaeffer, which 1:35:33.240 --> 1:35:34.479 country should we invade next? 1:35:35.960 --> 1:35:38.640 Yeah, you know that makes me a little bit uneasy 1:35:39.000 --> 1:35:43.240 obviously that you know, Maduro was a bad guy. But 1:35:43.439 --> 1:35:45.680 you know, but I think that's why you have to 1:35:45.680 --> 1:35:48.000 stay on your toes as far as you know, from 1:35:48.040 --> 1:35:50.280 an investment point of view and an economic standpoint. You know, 1:35:50.320 --> 1:35:52.519 but when you go throughout history and you look at 1:35:52.560 --> 1:35:54.840 all the conflicts that we've been in, whether it's been 1:35:54.880 --> 1:35:58.080 Desert Storm or the Cuman missile crisis, World War two, 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:01.240 you have to remember that the mark of the time 1:36:01.280 --> 1:36:03.200 has met and exceeded its previous highs. 1:36:03.240 --> 1:36:04.479 It's just a matter of time. 1:36:04.600 --> 1:36:07.760 So if you have a smart plan in place, with 1:36:07.920 --> 1:36:11.519 a portfolio that you're able to adjust, You're gonna be fine. 1:36:11.560 --> 1:36:15.520 And so usually these conflicts will you know, crash headlines 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:18.120 and the market will react, you know, in a in 1:36:18.439 --> 1:36:20.840 an instant, but over the long term it really doesn't 1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:23.040 have a major effect on our global GP. 1:36:23.240 --> 1:36:25.080 You really never answered the question, you know that, right? 1:36:25.680 --> 1:36:25.880 Yeah? 1:36:26.600 --> 1:36:27.599 Do you like that tap dance? 1:36:28.240 --> 1:36:31.599 I vote Columbia because coffee is too damn expensive. Should 1:36:31.600 --> 1:36:33.400 a cup of coffee? But I mean coffee with cream 1:36:33.479 --> 1:36:35.479 and not one of these you know drinks like you 1:36:35.560 --> 1:36:37.800 like where it's got whipped cream and chocolate shavings and 1:36:38.120 --> 1:36:39.880 parts of a birch tree in it. God knows what 1:36:39.960 --> 1:36:42.479 else looks like. It looks like one of them bougie 1:36:43.080 --> 1:36:45.439 bloody Mary's, you know, with the celery and I'll shrimp 1:36:45.439 --> 1:36:48.240 on it. There's a half a chicken. Uh yeah, those 1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:50.200 things should cost more, but yeah, five bucks or a 1:36:50.240 --> 1:36:53.479 cup of black coffee. I think Columbia said that we 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:55.360 should have all the countries. I think we should go 1:36:55.400 --> 1:36:56.400 after Columbia next. 1:36:56.640 --> 1:36:57.960 Well, I will I will say this. 1:36:58.040 --> 1:36:59.960 First of all, we buy our coffee from a local 1:37:00.280 --> 1:37:02.120 here in New Richmond, which we love, so we brew 1:37:02.160 --> 1:37:03.840 our own at home to try to save some money. 1:37:03.880 --> 1:37:07.400 But I will say Columbia is keeping a close eye 1:37:07.479 --> 1:37:09.840 on this, and I would say, you know from a 1:37:09.880 --> 1:37:12.880 serious note that if we were going to take action 1:37:12.960 --> 1:37:14.760 somewhere else, Columbia would likely be next. 1:37:15.200 --> 1:37:17.400 I think that's great, let's get that. And should a 1:37:17.479 --> 1:37:19.280 cup of coffee should not be more than a buck? 1:37:19.400 --> 1:37:22.360 I don't care. And I'm factoring and of course for 1:37:22.479 --> 1:37:25.040 inflation and all that stuff. I know, a nickel back 1:37:25.080 --> 1:37:28.439 in the nineteen thirties when Willie was my age. You know, 1:37:28.520 --> 1:37:30.760 it's such a different thing now today dollars seems like 1:37:30.920 --> 1:37:34.200 maybe maybe I'd go up to probably two bucks, But man, 1:37:34.240 --> 1:37:37.320 after five for a cup of coffee is insane. Andy 1:37:37.320 --> 1:37:40.000 Schaefer here from all Worth Financial and simply money, a 1:37:40.040 --> 1:37:43.439 little money check this morning. I know the Fed met 1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:47.559 in December last year obviously too, and we again get 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:49.320 to kick the tires every week on how the US 1:37:49.360 --> 1:37:52.560 economy is doing overall. Despite the huge bump yesterday in 1:37:52.560 --> 1:37:55.639 the market's record dat on Wall Street, how are things 1:37:55.680 --> 1:37:58.000 overall now that we've had in the first month of 1:37:58.040 --> 1:37:58.519 the new year. 1:37:59.000 --> 1:38:01.360 Yeah, So we received the minutes from the Federal Reserves 1:38:01.400 --> 1:38:04.679 the summer meeting, and it indicates that the FOMC saw 1:38:04.680 --> 1:38:08.160 the economy continuing to expand at a moderate pace. The 1:38:08.240 --> 1:38:11.839 labor market is gradually cooling, you know, just like we've discussed, 1:38:11.880 --> 1:38:14.320 even though inflation has started to come down a little bit. 1:38:15.120 --> 1:38:16.760 You know, I think when you kind of look into 1:38:16.840 --> 1:38:18.880 some of the details of the minutes, you know, we're 1:38:18.920 --> 1:38:21.840 seeing that, you know, we are gradually coming back to 1:38:22.000 --> 1:38:25.599 the Fed's preferred inflation measure of two percent. Policymakers cited 1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:28.480 higher tariffs as a key driver of core goods inflations, 1:38:29.080 --> 1:38:30.519 and so we're starting to get a little bit more 1:38:30.560 --> 1:38:31.320 clarity there. 1:38:31.439 --> 1:38:31.719 Now. 1:38:31.960 --> 1:38:33.800 You know what does this all mean, Well, it means 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:36.439 that the FED can start to pivot and start to 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:39.360 attack the labor market a little better to make sure 1:38:39.439 --> 1:38:43.000 that it remains healthy. We are seeing some sticky inflation 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:48.320 in other areas, particularly manufacturing. We received the ISM manufacturing 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:51.519 data survey data yesterday which showed a little bit more 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:54.360 cooling than what was expected, and most of those supply 1:38:54.479 --> 1:38:57.360 managers cited the fact that there is still uncertainty with 1:38:57.479 --> 1:39:01.400 teriffs and that's causing a lot of us within their markets. 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:05.400 You know, we're gonna we receive the Ism Services data 1:39:05.479 --> 1:39:07.439 this morning. I have yet to kind of unpack that, 1:39:08.360 --> 1:39:10.519 but I think, you know, to kind of summarize all 1:39:10.560 --> 1:39:12.200 of this. You know, what we're looking at is that 1:39:12.240 --> 1:39:14.680 the FED feels pretty good about where we are. They 1:39:14.720 --> 1:39:18.640 do think that the quarter percent cut will help the 1:39:18.720 --> 1:39:22.320 labor market moving forward over you know, into twenty twenty six, 1:39:23.120 --> 1:39:25.120 but you know, they are looking at other things. One 1:39:25.120 --> 1:39:27.479 of the one of the things that I thought was 1:39:27.479 --> 1:39:29.519 was very promising is that we continued, you to see 1:39:29.520 --> 1:39:31.400 housing prices come down a little bit. And I think 1:39:31.439 --> 1:39:34.559 the fact that we've cut rates over the last year 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:36.439 and a half or so is starting to help the 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:40.400 housing market a little bit better. What about inventory there, Yeah, 1:39:40.479 --> 1:39:43.240 so the inventory you know, is pretty stable. We're seeing 1:39:43.240 --> 1:39:45.880 inventory somewhere around fifty percent, you know, and getting back 1:39:45.920 --> 1:39:48.559 to the home sales, you know, that stronger than expected 1:39:48.560 --> 1:39:51.519 three point three percent in November. That's the four straight 1:39:51.560 --> 1:39:55.120 monthly increase in signal, you know, the incremental improvement heading 1:39:55.120 --> 1:39:57.880 into two thousand and twenty six. And so you know, 1:39:57.920 --> 1:40:00.400 we're starting to see some momentum there. And Scott, I 1:40:00.400 --> 1:40:02.000 don't know if you see it, you know, with with 1:40:02.000 --> 1:40:03.840 with you know, in your business have you Have you 1:40:03.840 --> 1:40:05.200 seen any type of effect there. 1:40:06.400 --> 1:40:08.559 Yeah, it seems pretty stady. It's tough around the holidays. 1:40:08.560 --> 1:40:10.240 A lot of people like to look, but not necessarily 1:40:10.240 --> 1:40:12.200 by at this point. So it seems like it you 1:40:12.200 --> 1:40:14.559 know that that you know, what's on the market is 1:40:14.560 --> 1:40:16.479 not moving it is. It has been over the last 1:40:16.479 --> 1:40:18.360 coming on maybe a year or two ago for sure. 1:40:18.640 --> 1:40:20.720 Yeah, it seems like it's just starting to loosen up 1:40:20.720 --> 1:40:23.040 a little bit and and hopefully, you know, as the 1:40:23.120 --> 1:40:25.320 race continue to fall, it'll loosen up a little bit 1:40:25.360 --> 1:40:28.720 more and encourage people to really sell their homes. You know, 1:40:28.800 --> 1:40:30.880 that's the biggest issue that it's been, is that people 1:40:30.920 --> 1:40:32.840 have been reluctant to move out of their homes because 1:40:32.840 --> 1:40:35.000 they have good interest rates. And so does interest rates 1:40:35.040 --> 1:40:37.240 continue to fall, maybe that will encourage people to start 1:40:37.280 --> 1:40:38.639 to move around and create some activity. 1:40:38.720 --> 1:40:41.040 It should, and of course more stock will we'll do 1:40:41.120 --> 1:40:43.120 that as well. All right, So as we move ahead 1:40:43.160 --> 1:40:44.880 to the next week, here, what numbers are we looking 1:40:44.920 --> 1:40:45.400 at coming in? 1:40:45.800 --> 1:40:48.759 Yeah, so this week is going to be fairly interesting, 1:40:49.400 --> 1:40:52.120 you know, and Wednesday we're going to get the ADP employment. 1:40:52.840 --> 1:40:55.920 I have some services index as well job openings, but 1:40:56.080 --> 1:40:58.280 really what we're looking at is Friday is kind of 1:40:58.280 --> 1:40:59.720 the big day. That's when we get the all the 1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:02.880 ployment numbers. We're going to get the unemployment rate, the 1:41:02.920 --> 1:41:06.240 hourly wages, housing starts, et cetera. And then next week 1:41:06.400 --> 1:41:08.880 is when we begin earning season, and so that will 1:41:08.960 --> 1:41:11.760 ramp up. And that's always very telling about where we 1:41:11.760 --> 1:41:13.880 are from an economic standpoint, to see how these companies 1:41:13.880 --> 1:41:16.120 are performing, and not only the numbers that they come 1:41:16.160 --> 1:41:18.559 out with, but also the guidance of how they feel 1:41:18.560 --> 1:41:21.920 about their corporations moving forward into twenty twenty six and beyond. 1:41:22.080 --> 1:41:23.439 As we are in the first week in the new year, 1:41:23.520 --> 1:41:25.400 let's put your personal finance hat on for just a 1:41:25.439 --> 1:41:27.439 second here, Andy Schaeffer, what should you be doing to 1:41:27.439 --> 1:41:29.280 get rid? I know, tax Day obviously is going to 1:41:29.280 --> 1:41:31.320 approach soon enough. A lot of people will wait till 1:41:31.360 --> 1:41:33.080 last minute to get all their stuff together. That's a 1:41:33.120 --> 1:41:35.160 factor and as well, but you know, looking through and 1:41:35.200 --> 1:41:38.679 seeing what the new limits are for contributions and such. Now, 1:41:38.760 --> 1:41:40.559 if you didn't do that over the break, now would 1:41:40.600 --> 1:41:41.439 be a good time to do that. 1:41:41.439 --> 1:41:42.120 What's that entail? 1:41:42.600 --> 1:41:44.200 Yeah, So, I mean there's a lot of things that 1:41:44.240 --> 1:41:45.280 you want to keep an eye on You want to 1:41:45.280 --> 1:41:46.000 make sure that you keep. 1:41:45.920 --> 1:41:46.839 An eye on your income. 1:41:46.920 --> 1:41:48.760 You know, if you're a retiree and you have a 1:41:48.760 --> 1:41:51.640 certain amount of income coming from a traditional IRA or 1:41:51.680 --> 1:41:53.040 a four to one K, you want to try to 1:41:53.040 --> 1:41:55.840 make sure that you stay underneath IRMA limits. You also 1:41:55.880 --> 1:41:58.800 want to make sure that you know your rmds are 1:41:58.800 --> 1:42:00.519 taken care of. If you're the over the age of 1:42:00.600 --> 1:42:03.559 seventy three, then you need to start taking your require 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:05.920 minimum distributions and a lot of times when people take 1:42:06.000 --> 1:42:08.640 regular recurring distributions on a monthly basis, you want to 1:42:08.640 --> 1:42:11.080 make sure that that exceeds the total amount for the year. 1:42:11.600 --> 1:42:13.760 You also want to rebalance your portfolio and take a 1:42:13.760 --> 1:42:16.160 look at that as well. You know, with the increase 1:42:16.200 --> 1:42:18.519 that we've had in the market over the last three years, 1:42:18.600 --> 1:42:20.759 if you have a target of let's say a sixty 1:42:20.840 --> 1:42:23.960 forty portfolio organically, that can get out of whack a 1:42:23.960 --> 1:42:26.599 little bit because of the surge that we've had in 1:42:26.680 --> 1:42:29.760 equities to where maybe you're a little bit overbalanced, and 1:42:29.800 --> 1:42:31.240 so you want to take a look at that and 1:42:31.320 --> 1:42:34.080 also take make sure in an after tax account that 1:42:34.120 --> 1:42:36.439 you manage your capital gains and try to limit those 1:42:36.479 --> 1:42:39.439 as much as possible using tax loss harvesting. So there's 1:42:39.560 --> 1:42:41.360 many things that you need to be looking at at 1:42:41.360 --> 1:42:43.280 the beginning part of this year, and I would suggest 1:42:43.320 --> 1:42:46.120 that you consult with your financial advisor to go over 1:42:46.160 --> 1:42:48.120 some strategies you know that makes sense for you. 1:42:48.400 --> 1:42:50.840 Yeah, And you know, especially if you get a little 1:42:50.840 --> 1:42:52.719 bit older here too, and you start you know, there's 1:42:52.800 --> 1:42:54.680 more years behind you that are in front of you. 1:42:55.320 --> 1:42:57.280 It's very important to get all that stuff together, especially 1:42:57.320 --> 1:42:59.479 if you're thinking about maybe retiring in the next year 1:42:59.560 --> 1:42:59.760 or two. 1:43:00.400 --> 1:43:02.720 Yeah, especially if you're starting to think about retiring and 1:43:02.760 --> 1:43:04.120 in the next year too, you want to kind of 1:43:04.120 --> 1:43:05.680 get you know, that your ducks in a row. To 1:43:05.680 --> 1:43:08.679 make sure that you've communicated to your employer, You've talked 1:43:08.720 --> 1:43:11.080 to HR, you've made decisions about what to do with 1:43:11.160 --> 1:43:13.160 your four to one K, you've come up with a 1:43:13.200 --> 1:43:16.479 distribution plan of what makes sense to continue to live 1:43:16.520 --> 1:43:18.760 the life that you've been living while you had employment, 1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:21.439 and overall to get a financial plan together. You know, 1:43:21.520 --> 1:43:22.880 one of the things is to make sure you don't 1:43:22.920 --> 1:43:24.719 run out of money. But if you have a financial 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:27.160 plan and you have some answers, maybe you can spend 1:43:27.160 --> 1:43:30.120 more in retirement if you don't have specific legacy or 1:43:30.240 --> 1:43:32.240 charity goals. And that's the fun part of my job 1:43:32.360 --> 1:43:34.799 is you know, if the financial health of my client 1:43:34.920 --> 1:43:37.719 is in place, I'm going to encourage them to spend 1:43:37.720 --> 1:43:40.400 more and do more things and so that I can 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:42.559 vicariously live through them through their retirement. And that's one 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:43.800 of my favorite parts of my job. 1:43:43.880 --> 1:43:46.320 Yeah, that's that's pretty cool to make sure because you've 1:43:46.360 --> 1:43:48.719 never had any client and all the what almost closer 1:43:48.760 --> 1:43:52.040 to thirty years and that has to come out of retirement, 1:43:52.040 --> 1:43:52.679 that doesn't happen. 1:43:53.120 --> 1:43:55.479 No, I've had a few that haven't listened to my 1:43:55.520 --> 1:43:57.160 advice that I have gone by. 1:43:57.040 --> 1:43:59.760 The wayside, But I would say ninety. 1:43:59.439 --> 1:44:01.800 Eight percent of them are having a blast right now. 1:44:01.840 --> 1:44:03.599 If you follow the advice and you have a fight 1:44:03.640 --> 1:44:07.160 out financial professional like Andy, they will guide you say, yeah, 1:44:07.280 --> 1:44:10.040 it doesn't happen because there's a certain fear you go, wow, okay, 1:44:10.040 --> 1:44:11.640 now I'm going to retire, Especially if you retire early, 1:44:11.720 --> 1:44:13.720 I got to worry about healthcare benefits and stuff like that. 1:44:13.800 --> 1:44:16.160 And you know, of course, if you've got that kind 1:44:16.200 --> 1:44:18.040 of luck, you go, hey, you know, I've got two years, 1:44:18.080 --> 1:44:20.800 so I can get Social Security and Medicaid things like that, 1:44:20.880 --> 1:44:23.360 and then you get sick and it's a lot out 1:44:23.360 --> 1:44:26.280 of pocket. So professional make sure that does not happen 1:44:26.320 --> 1:44:26.479 to you. 1:44:27.040 --> 1:44:29.559 Yeah, and again, and that's the key, and you and 1:44:29.680 --> 1:44:32.120 everybody goes through it. You're not alone if you're near 1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:35.840 retirement age and you're nervous about it. You know, everybody 1:44:35.880 --> 1:44:38.559 goes through it because they're not used to having not 1:44:38.640 --> 1:44:40.920 having an income and it's like, man, can I really 1:44:40.960 --> 1:44:42.560 do this? And I think that's why it's important to 1:44:42.600 --> 1:44:45.439 get it on paper, run some analysis on that because 1:44:45.439 --> 1:44:47.400 for a lot of people they see better than they hear, 1:44:47.640 --> 1:44:49.720 and it's important just to get the reassurance from your 1:44:49.720 --> 1:44:51.560 financial advisor that you can actually do it and do 1:44:51.600 --> 1:44:52.120 it comfortably. 1:44:52.200 --> 1:44:54.280 Yeah, if you're lucky enough right and planned ahead, and 1:44:54.320 --> 1:44:55.800 a lot of luck is involved in that as well. 1:44:55.880 --> 1:44:58.080 So it's foresight on your part. Andy Shaffer over all 1:44:58.080 --> 1:45:01.439 Worth Financial there shows simply it's tonight. It's six o'clock 1:45:01.439 --> 1:45:03.800 on fifty five KRC every weeknight for that matter. Drew, 1:45:03.840 --> 1:45:04.920 thanks again, talk next week. 1:45:05.120 --> 1:45:06.320 Okay, Scott, talk to you next week. 1:45:06.360 --> 1:45:09.479 Appreciate it. 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