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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an americanio shorright?

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Speaker 2: Here we go? Here we go sloanely seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: Very sad and horrible story here. As you know, we

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Speaker 2: had a casualty on New Year's Day, the first shooting

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six, and it happened to be an

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Speaker 2: eleven year old girl who was committing the deadly sin

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Speaker 2: in areas since in some aria of Cincinnati of actually

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Speaker 2: playing at a playground. That's a horrible story in a

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Speaker 2: horrible way, horrible thing for any parent or grandparent or

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Speaker 2: family member to go through, but especially on a New

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Speaker 2: Year's Day with a child who just celebrated Christmas. So

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Speaker 2: another shooting at or near Laurel Playground on the West End,

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Speaker 2: if you go back a couple of years, there's a

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Speaker 2: promise to put more cameras up, and cameras are on

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Speaker 2: us specifically in that area because there have been shootings

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Speaker 2: and kids being struck, and the inquirers of Scott Warpman

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Speaker 2: reported the stories when being confusion and contradictions, lack of accountability.

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Speaker 2: If you budgeted the money council did to put those

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Speaker 2: cameras up, how come the cameras aren't up? That is

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Speaker 2: a good question. She sits on public Safety, the Committee

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Speaker 2: of Public Safety, and that would be council member. And

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Speaker 2: I'll be on the Scott Slane Show this morning on

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Speaker 2: seven hundred deble Ota and a happy new year.

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Speaker 3: How are you, good morning, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the mayor said we will spare

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Speaker 2: nothing to put a stop to this after the shooting

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Speaker 2: death of this eleven year old, and it sounds like,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's again more important things to say, more

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Speaker 2: things to say, and giving lip service to this. But

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Speaker 2: if two years ago you on council approved one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars for cameras to go up in

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Speaker 2: the West End as part of that four and a

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Speaker 2: half million dollar public safety package, what's going on the

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Speaker 2: camera's up?

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Speaker 4: I wish I had a better answer for you, but

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Speaker 4: it appears that there's still work to be done to

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Speaker 4: get those dollars out the door and those cameras installed. So,

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Speaker 4: just to set a little bit of context through listeners,

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Speaker 4: in early September, city Council past a five point four

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Speaker 4: million dollar public safety package. It's part of that there

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Speaker 4: are a bunch of different things, which included one hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifty thousand dollars specifically for cameras in the West.

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Speaker 4: And additionally, there was another one point two million that

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Speaker 4: was meant to be for lighting and cameras broadly city wide.

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Speaker 4: And those are two line items in that bill that

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Speaker 4: I was personally very passionate about because while we know

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Speaker 4: sometimes you know, cameras can't stop a crime necessarily, it

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Speaker 4: sure makes it a lot easier to solve the crime,

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Speaker 4: and in this case, to apprehend a killer, someone who

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Speaker 4: shot and killed an eleven year old on.

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Speaker 3: New Year's Day.

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Speaker 4: So this is a moment of urgency for myself, for

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Speaker 4: my colleagues, and the mayor and the city manager. We

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Speaker 4: are all eager to get those dollars out the door.

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Speaker 4: And frankly, we're looking to CPD at this moment.

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Speaker 3: You know, those.

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Speaker 4: Dollars, those at one hundred and fifty thousand for Western cameras,

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Speaker 4: sits within the police budget, and we need to get

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Speaker 4: those dollars.

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Speaker 3: Out the door.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that was September of last year. I mean,

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Speaker 2: here we are in January. Should it take that long?

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Speaker 4: No, it absolutely should not, and I think everyone should be.

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Speaker 3: Mad that it has.

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Speaker 4: We should be able to move a lot, especially since

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Speaker 4: you know, council pass that that package at five point

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Speaker 4: four million with the urgency of responding to the moment

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Speaker 4: over the summer when we had.

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Speaker 3: A series of incidents as well.

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Speaker 4: So if we're moving with urgency, we should expect that

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Speaker 4: of every single person administration, including some size police. Right

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Speaker 4: we are trying to make it easier to prevent crime

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Speaker 4: and solve crimes that are happening. So those dollars are

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Speaker 4: sitting there. My understanding is we need to get with

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Speaker 4: if you are a business owner in that area and

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Speaker 4: on your building, email my office let me know and

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Speaker 4: you as soon as possible.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I'd imagine there isn't a business owner down

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Speaker 2: there that wouldn't go, yeah, I'd love a camera up,

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Speaker 2: no problem, because it affects their quality of life, their business,

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Speaker 2: their bottom line with this crime continuing, and you know

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Speaker 2: it's I guess it's going to take a little bit

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Speaker 2: of time, but it seems reasonable to have this done

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Speaker 2: at least by the first of the year, for sure.

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Speaker 2: And it's not the first time we've had a shooting

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Speaker 2: And now the end result is because of I don't know,

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Speaker 2: lack of accountability or confusion, contradiction or incompetence or a

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Speaker 2: combination of all of those. You have an eleven year old.

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Speaker 2: It's dead. There's literally bloods blood on the hands of

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Speaker 2: elected officials because of the lack of movement on this project.

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Speaker 4: You are not wrong that we need to move faster.

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Speaker 4: I completely agree with the urgency of the moment. You know,

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Speaker 4: there are a lot of questions. You know, the council

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Speaker 4: is asking around why these dollars haven't moved faster. And

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Speaker 4: at the end of the day, you know, actually we

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Speaker 4: cannot turn back time, which is a heartbreaking reality. So

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Speaker 4: from this moment on, it's what can we do going forward?

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Speaker 4: And to me, it's the camera as well as lighting.

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Speaker 3: I went down to.

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Speaker 4: That playground for the balloon release of the Little Girl

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Speaker 4: and you know, it was round five o'clock, stayed there

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Speaker 4: it's dark. It is not lit there and we know

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Speaker 4: that you know, places that are well lit, especially ones

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Speaker 4: where kids are going to be playing. You know, early

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Speaker 4: evening six o'clock is not that late, but then the

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Speaker 4: middle of winter it's dark out right. We need to

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Speaker 4: have these spaces well lit so that they are states

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Speaker 4: and then you pair that with the cameras to make

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Speaker 4: sure that there's that monitoring there.

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Speaker 3: And that's what we need.

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you right now, all council, the mayor

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Speaker 4: this with complete urgency. So again my ask is if

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Speaker 4: you have owned property in that area and you're willing

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Speaker 4: to raise your hand and have a camera or have lighting,

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Speaker 4: reach out to me my office. I'm Anna dot Albi

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Speaker 4: at cincinnatidshoh dot gov, and I will get you in

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Speaker 4: contact with Cincinnati Police because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: like we need a police out there, and if that

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Speaker 4: willing to do this, like it's time to do that work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean two years ago, three well three now

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Speaker 2: we had Dominic Davis killed another eleven year old all

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Speaker 2: let's get this thing fast tracked. It took till September

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars for the camera expansion. We spend a

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Speaker 2: ton of money based on the crime that's happening downtown,

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Speaker 2: on public safety. From a council person's position, an alby,

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Speaker 2: do you look at it going Okay, well we order

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Speaker 2: the money, here's the money, we're going to appropriate it.

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Speaker 2: And then do you just move on to the next thing.

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Speaker 2: And then it's not finger pointing at you or council

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Speaker 2: for that matter. About a simmer Fire council member, I

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Speaker 2: would think we voted and passed something, hand that off

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Speaker 2: to the city manager, the mayor's office or whoever the

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Speaker 2: police department, that there's going to be action on this.

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Speaker 2: Should you have to follow up on everything you guys appropriated.

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Speaker 2: From a funny perspective, hey.

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Speaker 3: I'm not here to dodge blamee. I'm really not.

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Speaker 4: But typically one council does the voting and the allocating.

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Speaker 3: That is our part of the job.

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Speaker 4: We have a city manager former government, and we have

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Speaker 4: you know, in this case it's the police chief, but

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Speaker 4: in other departments it's directors. Right, We have a city

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Speaker 4: what we have allocated the vision. Right, So that's typically

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Speaker 4: how it goes. Now in this situation, right, the buck

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Speaker 4: stops with us elected. So I am not going to

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Speaker 4: dodge the responsibility that I can, and I will be

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Speaker 4: doing a better job checking in and making sure those

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Speaker 4: before Christmas, I had multiple people ask me about the

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Speaker 4: Fusist camera technology, which allows private camera owners to kind

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Speaker 4: of connect their feed in with Cincinni Police. My people

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Speaker 4: come up being like, hey, we want to do this,

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Speaker 4: but we have no idea how So I literally got

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Speaker 4: an email on Christmas Eve back from the assistancity manager

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Speaker 4: being like, oh, yeah, the funds are there, and you

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Speaker 4: know what, I should have followed up them and be

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Speaker 4: like great, we need to do more. So you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to duck and dodge responsibility. Yes, it's

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Speaker 4: true that typically when council allocates the dollars and puts

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Speaker 4: for the vision, it's them the administration's job to execute.

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Speaker 4: But in this case, when it's life or death, I'm

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Speaker 4: in there. Making sure that we get those cameras up, up,

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Speaker 4: gets better in lighting. Those are all urgent, immediate actions.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And I think that has respect you for that

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Speaker 2: It's up to someone else to make sure it's the

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Speaker 2: to go back and make sure that people follow your orders.

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Speaker 2: So and you're saying, okay, the buck stops with us elected.

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Speaker 2: I get that. I appreciate that, But where's the weak

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Speaker 2: those cameras being put up? Who is that on the

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Speaker 3: That's a fair question. I'll say.

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Speaker 4: You know, my dad owned a business for forty years

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Speaker 4: and he had a problem solving process and it first

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Speaker 4: step here is to solve the problem. So how do

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Speaker 4: we get those cameras up? How do we get the

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Speaker 4: lights installed? So once we solve the problem, we can

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Speaker 4: go back and analyze what went wrong. But I'm here

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Speaker 4: in the immediate moment, which is let's get these up,

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Speaker 4: and in fact, just yesterday coming out of kind of

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Speaker 4: office we got a camera tower with lights into Laurel Playground,

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Speaker 4: into that park area, right, So we are in the

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Speaker 4: go back and analyze after it's taken care of.

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Speaker 2: I hope there is, because someone shouldn't have to be

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Speaker 2: covered in this whole thing. I mean, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to speak out of turn because I don't know the

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Speaker 2: anal workings, but it seems like once you approved that

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, it goes to the

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Speaker 2: city manager and then to the police department as well.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine the cops don't want to get those

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Speaker 2: cameras up. It helps them do their job. Is the

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Speaker 2: week length the City Manager's office?

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Speaker 4: No, those dollars are in Cincinnati Police budget, so they're

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Speaker 4: now fully under Sincinnati Police. Okay, area, So now I

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Speaker 4: don't know the bureaucracy within the police department well enough

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Speaker 4: to know who's the person doing outreach to those business owners, right.

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Speaker 4: So again, I'm not in the spot at this moment

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Speaker 4: Absolutely expect that if Council allocates dollars for cameras, those

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Speaker 2: We're going to put the cameras up, and the cameras

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Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking, right, And I know nothing I'm going to

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Speaker 4: I believe, but don't quote me on it, that this

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Speaker 4: So I one hundred percent agree we we counsel you.

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Speaker 4: The public deserve a full readout of how that five

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so this is one hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Once again, we have I think

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for the time. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: All right and all the best, and thanks again, for

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, take care all.

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Speaker 2: Right, council member, and I'll be sitting on public safety.

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Speaker 6: And you heard it here.

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Speaker 2: How many times you say a red tape, red tape,

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Speaker 2: And that is in competence, That is a lack of

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Speaker 2: eleven year old shot at West End Playground where two

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Speaker 2: and a half years ago we were told it's insufferable,

437
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Speaker 2: it's going to stop because we are going to do

438
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Speaker 2: something about this, and council spend one hundred and fifty

439
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Speaker 2: million dollars from more cameras in that area. Not that

440
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Speaker 2: cameras would stop crime, but from what I understand, there

441
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Speaker 2: may be one camera, one camera up there and maybe

442
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Speaker 2: or maybe they don't have evidence. And after what happened

443
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Speaker 2: with the eleven year old the boy by then, but

444
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 2: Dominic Davis, we had on New Year's Day an eleven

445
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Speaker 2: year old girl shot at same playground and there have

446
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Speaker 2: been many shootings in and around that same area over

447
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Speaker 2: the years. We were told by the mayor that he's

448
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Speaker 2: going to spare nothing instead of put to put a

449
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Speaker 2: stop to this. But council already did their job. I

450
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Speaker 2: don't know how much more you can hold members of

451
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Speaker 2: council be it Scottie Johnson, be it, Anna alb be it,

452
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Speaker 2: Seth Walsh, be it, Mark Jefferys, Jeff kramer Ding. I

453
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Speaker 2: can go on and on once they appropriate the money

454
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Speaker 2: and say here, here's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

455
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Speaker 2: specific for cameras in the West End. I don't how

456
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Speaker 2: many cameras that gets you, but probably a few cameras

457
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Speaker 2: as part of a five point four million dollars spend

458
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Speaker 2: on public safety, which has been ignored now for many administrations.

459
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Speaker 2: It's not a have to ad purevol's fault necessarily that

460
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: you know, we weren't spending money in previous administrations and

461
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Speaker 2: putting that emphasis on preventing crime or catching those responsible

462
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Speaker 2: or committing crime, making it easier for the cops to

463
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Speaker 2: do their job. I can't help but think that the

464
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Speaker 2: police certainly would have loved to have those cameras up.

465
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Speaker 2: And maybe it's because again we're back to this this cluster,

466
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Speaker 2: you know what, because you fire Thiji and you've got

467
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Speaker 2: an interim chief and he's still them. Know, we're going

468
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Speaker 2: to continue investigating as to why we fired her in

469
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Speaker 2: the first place. We need we need more time to

470
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Speaker 2: make a case as to why we fired her.

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Speaker 6: What.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to continue the investigation of why we

473
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Speaker 2: fired the chief last year into the new year. Does

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Speaker 2: that make sense? Doesn't make any sense to me either,

475
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Speaker 2: And it's really not an indictment of the interim chief.

476
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Speaker 2: At this point. You just wonder if that's not exacerbating

477
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: the problem, and that when there's no leadership as a vacuum,

478
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 2: people are maybe not being held accountable as much when

479
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,479
Speaker 2: you know there's a clear direction for the police department.

480
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Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I think the city manager has

481
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Speaker 2: to answer some questions as well. Share alone. If council's

482
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: job is to allocate the money, should it be there

483
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Speaker 2: a job to make sure that the money is being spent?

484
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Speaker 2: I would say no. Maybe a follow up is an order,

485
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Speaker 2: but you can once you do it, it's in someone

486
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Speaker 2: else's hands. If you handed to administrators, then administrate it

487
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Speaker 2: and the end result is this isn't like, oh, hey,

488
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Speaker 2: we made a mistake. An eleven year old girl is dead.

489
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that sure death is entirely preventable, that

490
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Speaker 2: we could have prevented this from happening, but I'm sorry

491
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Speaker 2: if you had cameras up there, I don't know if

492
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Speaker 2: that's a deterrent, but maybe bringing someone to justice, having

493
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 2: some enclosure for the family it is somewhat there, but

494
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Speaker 2: there's blood in the hands of those elected officials that

495
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Speaker 2: were given the money to do this and didn't do

496
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Speaker 2: what they were supposed to do. I mean, it's pretty

497
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Speaker 2: clear of the public in the West End is very,

498
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: very angry as we all are about this. Hell, I

499
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: don't live in Cincinnati proper. You may not either, but

500
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: you hear these stories and it just breaks your heart.

501
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: Here's an eleven year old girl in a playground on

502
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Speaker 2: New Year's Day and she gets gunned down by nonsense.

503
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Speaker 2: It's like the mom that got shot in the crosswalk.

504
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: For God's sakes. It's just one story after another. And

505
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: is it going to stop all this crime or prevent it?

506
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: Probably not. But it's going to be easier to get

507
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: justice for this family because guess what, Dominic Davis was

508
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: killed two and a half years ago. I don't think

509
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: they ever got the shooter there, and I have no idea.

510
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: I mean, give these families a chance, or give these

511
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: kids a chance, for God's sake, and get these animals

512
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Speaker 2: off the street. It couldn't very well be that the

513
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: same person who shot and killed Dominic Davis in twenty

514
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Speaker 2: twenty three shot and killed this little girl on New

515
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Speaker 2: Year's Day and you have one job, let's do it.

516
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Speaker 2: You know, this is my fierce libertarian streak coming out here,

517
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't say that. You know, this is why

518
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: you have to have private security, cameras and everything else.

519
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: No government. If government can't do the basics, and I

520
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: would say public safety is the cornerstone of basic Then

521
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: if you're a younger voter, because typically younger voters that

522
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 2: would be younger millennials and gen zers want more government

523
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: to take things over, why would you want that If

524
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: you can't have the basic stuff, why would you want

525
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: to expand government? Local government at that, whether it's local, state,

526
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Speaker 2: or federal, have more of that in your life because

527
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: government programs, I mean always say treat us like children,

528
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Speaker 2: because you assume that people can't manage their own affairs.

529
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: But bigger than that, how many times has government consistently

530
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: over promised and underdelivered? This debacle in the West End

531
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: is a great example of that. It's a bureaucracy. There's

532
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: no incentive for them to be efficient, to be responsible,

533
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Speaker 2: to be accountable. The Inquirer, the paper of record here

534
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, can't get any answers as to one of

535
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: the money is was it spent? What happened? Do we

536
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: even have any cameras up? Knowing even has an answer

537
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: as to did we put cameras up or didn't? We

538
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: can't even get the open records request or crying out loud,

539
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: I don't know why you'd want more of that in

540
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: your life and not less of it. If you guys

541
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: can't handle the basics, why are we worrying about? You know,

542
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 2: we've got to take care of student loan debt and

543
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: housing on affordability, and the gig economy and wage stagnation

544
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: and climate change against they can barely. They can't handle

545
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: putting up cameras at a park, for God's sake, And

546
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 2: yet we want more of that stuff. And I get

547
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: the reasons behind it. And younger generations have different experiences

548
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: and changes. And I know you saw the two thousand

549
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: and eight housing crisis and said, well, well, look we

550
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: had to bail out all these businesses and banks are

551
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: too big to fail as part of the two thousand

552
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: and eight financial crisis. If you're a Mellen Hill, right,

553
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: I get that. Watch your parents suffer. Okay, but what

554
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: drove the financial crisis? A lack of oversight. I'm not

555
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: saying suggesting o other mental libertarians and anarchists. Obviously we

556
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: got no government. But and in my mind and maybe

557
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: in yours, I don't want a government doing everything for me.

558
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: You certainly you need to be an officially, need to

559
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: be a referee and put guardrails in place, because you know,

560
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: unchecked authority or in checked bureaucracy or unchecked capitalism for

561
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: that matter, is not beneficial. There has to be some

562
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: guidelines in place and guardrails in place where that you

563
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: can do that. But to suggest somehow the government should

564
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: take all this, Oh, look what happens. They can't even

565
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: handle putting cameras up in a freaking park. And now

566
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: you've got another kid dead five three, seven four nine,

567
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Speaker 2: seven thousand d in Highland on seven hundred WWD high Hi.

568
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Speaker 7: How are you today?

569
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Speaker 1: I'm sure I am just I don't know why, like

570
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: you's saying, why.

571
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 7: Are we asking the government to take care of it?

572
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: Why is an eleven year old child out in the

573
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Speaker 1: dark in a park, A girl with after one child

574
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Speaker 1: who's been killed there. I don't care how long ago

575
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: it was. The little girl should not have been out there.

576
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Speaker 1: Where's the parents?

577
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 7: How come we're not holding a parent and.

578
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: So you know, I get it.

579
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: They got to work to pay for everything. I understand this,

580
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: but there has to be rules. And have somebody watched

581
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: an eleven year old girl has no business in a

582
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: park at night time. I don't care if it's right

583
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: outside or door.

584
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 3: You cannot.

585
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 7: There's too much going on, especially down the West end.

586
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: See indeed, see, let's be a reason, all right. I

587
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: don't know where you're coming from, but when I was

588
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: eleven years old, I was hanging out of parks. I

589
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: was in the neighborhood. You're eleven years old. If you

590
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: can't be safe in a park at six o'clock, where

591
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 2: the hell else can you go?

592
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Speaker 1: You're dark, you go by the darkness.

593
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Speaker 2: And if there was no no I think I was

594
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: out at eleven. When I was eleven years old, I

595
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: was probably out past dark. It's hell. I lived in

596
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: a part of the country that got dark at three o'clock.

597
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: I'd never go outside if they were the case.

598
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: Okay, when when my children went to school, they pulled

599
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: up their pickup trucks and had rifles in the back window,

600
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: and nobody pulled out that rifle and shot each other

601
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: when they got in fights. Nobody nobody did that. You

602
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: didn't even And yes, we have more publicity now about it.

603
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: I understand times were different than didn't. You also have

604
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: prayer in school, thou shall not do this, thou shalll

605
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: not do that. Now, what happens to the idiot that

606
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: goes down death roat?

607
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 7: He don't ask for the preacher? Get it over with?

608
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: And and what do they do with the guy that

609
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: goes and run over the cop? Oh, they're going to

610
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: let him out.

611
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: He's gonna he's going to go to prison for the

612
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: rest of his life. But because the.

613
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 7: Sanity that he should get the death penalty. You have

614
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 7: to have force, You have to have punishment that fits

615
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 7: the crime, or they're going to keep doing it.

616
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: Well, back to back to back to the little girl though,

617
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: I mean she's eleven. You I could see if he's

618
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: six or five or six years old, but eleven o'clock

619
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Speaker 2: at six o'clock on New Year's Day? You know, are

620
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: you supposed to I mean, what are you supposed to

621
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: do if you live in that And again, not everybody

622
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: in that neighbor is a criminal. You know, it's like

623
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: a half a percent of the population the one doing

624
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: this nonsense and this noise, and people are trying to

625
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: live their lives. Do you suggest that, like an eleven

626
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: you old should just stay inside all day when it's

627
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: dark outside. I mean, don't the people who live in

628
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: those neighborhoods have a right to use the parks and

629
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: facilities that are put there by the government without fear

630
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: of being shot today?

631
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Speaker 1: One year old child, It's not like it was years ago.

632
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 7: It's not like it was.

633
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: Everybody never is. Everything changes, It's supposed to change.

634
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. But when it comes to safety,

635
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: you can't expect the government. I don't want the government

636
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: taking care of telling me what I knew, what I

637
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: can't do.

638
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 7: Why don't we just go overseas and live with the China?

639
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: You know? I hear over there by the way, China

640
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: is going to have their women date down when they

641
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: have their periods.

642
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 7: What do you think is coming with that? It's crazy?

643
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I appreciate the call. D I gotta

644
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: get going. She's got a lot to say, D does.

645
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure I agree with the thesis the

646
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: kids shouldn't be as eleven year old at six o'clock

647
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: at night in the park. I could see if we were, like,

648
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, four o'clock in the morning, a different story.

649
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: But even at we're four o'clock in the morning, does

650
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: an eleven year old deserve to catch a bullet? Does

651
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: anyone deserve to catch a bullet? The answer, of course

652
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Speaker 2: says no, unless you're a criminal, like a Rodney Hinton

653
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Speaker 2: for example. We'll get into that more of speaking of

654
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Speaker 2: Rodney Hinton later on about ten o'clock, actually a ten

655
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Speaker 2: oh six, Steve goodins here to talk about his insanity

656
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Speaker 2: play and what all this means, and that the court

657
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Speaker 2: bought this whole thing. We'll switch up the topic then

658
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Speaker 2: after news coming up at ten o'clock, about twelve minutes

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Speaker 2: from now. In the meantime, it's five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred the Big One Talk Back iHeartRadio app to

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Speaker 2: Mark and Wyoming on the Big One. Good Marting, Mark, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Good morning.

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Speaker 8: I want to I just listen to this conversation you

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Speaker 8: had with the councilwoman. Yeah, I'm and I'm a little

665
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Speaker 8: surprised on too one thing. You said, well, what more

666
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Speaker 8: can they do? But I'm actually more alarmed now after

667
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Speaker 8: she spoke.

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Speaker 7: I mean, she says, you ask about.

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Speaker 8: Accountability and this politicians do this, and people that can't

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Speaker 8: be held accountable do this right away while I'm focused

671
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Speaker 8: on the right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Gonna accept it.

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Speaker 8: But I'm not like, we can't walk and shoot them

675
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Speaker 8: at the same time and find out why it failed,

676
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Speaker 8: because if that failed, all these other things that are.

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Speaker 3: Going on around you are failing.

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Speaker 9: At the same time.

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Speaker 8: Someone should be accountable. But they do this because over

680
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Speaker 8: time people forget.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you will.

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Speaker 8: They won't go back and you'll never get an answer.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's part of it. I want to know

684
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Speaker 2: where the hell and I think we deserve especially more

685
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Speaker 2: so anyone more than anyone else. The folks who live

686
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Speaker 2: in the West End are around that park, around Laurel

687
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: Playground where they have kids. It's like, yeah, I need

688
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: to know who the hell screwed this thing up. And

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Speaker 2: I you know, I appreciate Anna and what she said.

690
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: It's like, listen, we got to go back and check

691
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Speaker 2: and see where the money is. You know, the Consol's

692
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: job is to appropriate the funds to make sure things

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Speaker 2: work and problems get solved. I don't think you should

694
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Speaker 2: have to go back and check your math and say, okay,

695
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: now I've got to do someone else's job. And but

696
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Speaker 2: you're right, is that like, let's start naming names. I

697
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: want to know where the hell this thing got screwed

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Speaker 2: up in the first place, because you have another eleven

699
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Speaker 2: year old dad. Two and a half years ago, we

700
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Speaker 2: were told this can't happen again. Well guess what's just

701
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: happened again. And the money they appropriated to help solve

702
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Speaker 2: the problem or prevent the problem hasn't been spent yet.

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Speaker 2: We deserve answers names already.

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Speaker 3: And again it's not just the West End people. It's

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Speaker 3: they're talking about one hundred and fifty thousand.

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Speaker 8: Dollars about a five million dollar allocation. If this kind

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Speaker 8: of aptitude is going on, what's going on where all

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Speaker 8: that other money was celebrated?

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Speaker 6: You don't know because you're not looking.

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Speaker 8: And the other second point, and I'll be quick and

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Speaker 8: I'll get off. Yeah, they act like I allocated the

712
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Speaker 8: money and it's not my research. Any business that has

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Speaker 8: capital expenditures allocated projects set the first question yet, who's responsible?

714
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Speaker 8: And it's a time bound by when and who's going

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Speaker 8: to report fact that it's done, and you can't track

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Speaker 8: if you're in the city, maybe one hundred thousand projects,

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Speaker 8: but there's something who said this was emergency funding for this.

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Speaker 3: You can't tell me.

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Speaker 8: City council can't say I need an answer.

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Speaker 6: Next week, next month.

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Speaker 3: And if it's not.

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Speaker 8: Done, where are we going? But they act like I

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Speaker 8: just washed my hands of this because I allocated the money.

724
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Speaker 8: And again it's people that can't be held accountable, or

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Speaker 8: we won't hold accountable.

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Speaker 4: That's what they say.

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Speaker 8: If you're in a business, you'd be fired immediately.

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Speaker 2: Well correct and.

729
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Speaker 6: Like that.

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Speaker 2: That's the point, and that's why. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: if we're coming this because it's again your point well

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Speaker 2: taken about government. I think council members can only do

733
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Speaker 2: so much. Their job is not to administerate. Once they

734
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Speaker 2: pass the funding, it's handed off to someone else. But

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Speaker 2: you know there's plausible deniability, Well we didn't know it

736
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: got caught up. There's a whole bit. But it's back

737
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Speaker 2: to that bureaucracy. You know, all the steps you have

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Speaker 2: to do and all the hoops you have to jump

739
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Speaker 2: through under the eyes of you know, public accountability. Uh

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Speaker 2: in doing the right thing with the public money. Takes

741
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Speaker 2: forever to do. The bureaucracy and the red tape is

742
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Speaker 2: the problem. But at some point someone has to be

743
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Speaker 2: responsible as to why these cameras weren't put up after

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Speaker 2: the last shooting, and certainly after September when they appropriated

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Speaker 2: the money. The bigger questions I asked Anna Alby, is okay,

746
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: well this is one hundred and fifty thousand of five

747
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: point four million. What the hell happened to the rest

748
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Speaker 2: of the money. What else aren't you doing? What else

749
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Speaker 2: aren't you sitting on? I mean, these are great campaign

750
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Speaker 2: type of things where you go, hey, look what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: We put cameras, great, we voted for camras, awesome, we're

752
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Speaker 2: the cameras. Wow, we didn't put them up. Well, then,

753
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Speaker 2: what's the point of all this then? And what do

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Speaker 2: you tell with a straight face to the family of

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Speaker 2: this eleven year old girl who they're about to put

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Speaker 2: in the ground. It's it's unconscionable, is what it is.

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Speaker 2: And it is a pattern. And I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's true in other cities. I can't speak for Louisville

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Speaker 2: and Columbus, and I can't speak for Indianapolis or Chicago

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Speaker 2: or Cleveland or Toledo, or Youngstown or Dayton, but certainly Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: You want to know that the people you and trust

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Speaker 2: are doing their job, and clearly they aren't. And all

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Speaker 2: we get from the mayor will spare nothing to put

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Speaker 2: a stop to this. How about some accountability? And I

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Speaker 2: think at the top the biggest problem we have seen,

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Speaker 2: and you name all the problems that we've had, is

767
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Speaker 2: a lack of transparency and accountability. You know, you can

768
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Speaker 2: bring up names like Patrick Herringer, and you can bring

769
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Speaker 2: up the rye, the brawl over the summer and go

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Speaker 2: on and on and on, and the lack of transparency,

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Speaker 2: accountability and someone to say this is unacceptable. Here's the plan,

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Speaker 2: and we've got the plan executed. You can't find it.

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Speaker 2: And yet it's happened again. It's happened time and time

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Speaker 2: and time again, where there's no one willing to step

775
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: up and say I'm the one who's screwed up, it

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Speaker 2: won't happen again, or holding someone accountable. But rather we

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00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: get platitudes about how it's intolerable and we're gonna we're

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Speaker 2: gonna stop this and it's not gonna happen again. And

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00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: guess what, it happened again. How can you be that

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Speaker 2: tone deaf in such a short period of time. It's

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Speaker 2: beyond me. It is beyond me. One more quick one here,

782
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Speaker 2: let's go to a John and Westwood on the Big one. John,

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Speaker 2: good morning.

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Speaker 10: Uh, scott as absolutely city councils fault. If you if

785
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 10: your refrigerator breaks and you pay somebody to fix it,

786
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Speaker 10: aren't you going to follow up to make sure they

787
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Speaker 10: fix it? It's absolutely counsel's fault. Scottie Johnson's a joke.

788
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Speaker 10: He was never much of a copy. He was more

789
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Speaker 10: of a social worker. And every one of them down

790
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Speaker 10: there has blood on your hands. Not that the government's

791
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 10: supposed to fix all this, no, but here's here's the thing.

792
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Speaker 10: If you're going to say, way, we're going to put

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Speaker 10: up cameras, we're going to do this and that.

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Speaker 6: To help the problem, and if you don't do it, then.

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Speaker 9: Shame on you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the way I look at it rather in

797
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Speaker 2: the household budget. Because what you said makes sense, I

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Speaker 2: listen to. But but look at this way. Let's say

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Speaker 2: I run company. Let's look at this as a business

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Speaker 2: type of thing, and I have uh, I don't know,

801
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Speaker 2: I've got service technician and okay, okay, great, here's your truck,

802
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: here's to what what what? Why didn't you go install

803
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Speaker 2: this aircan doing? Why do you go install this furnace?

804
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: That's kind of what happened here. It's like, yeah, well,

805
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: you got the equipment, you got the tools, you got there,

806
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: you got all these things. Well why didn't you go

807
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: do your job? What were you doing instead of doing this?

808
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: And that's kind of a you know, ham fisted example

809
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: of the problem. But okay, if it's a business and

810
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: it's a big company, and certainly the city of Cincinnati

811
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Speaker 2: is there are people who are tasked with making sure

812
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Speaker 2: these things are executed. I can be the owner and go, okay,

813
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: we're allocating this amount of money to this budget for

814
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Speaker 2: I don't know, marketing. Let's say, and if you decay, hey,

815
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Speaker 2: I've got one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for marketing.

816
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: And you go, I thought we were doing I thought

817
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: we spent money on marketing. Where is it, Well, we

818
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: didn't spend the money, Well why not you get fired

819
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: for that? It's the same thing here. The question is

820
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Speaker 2: who gets fired. Is it the police department, is it

821
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Speaker 2: management within the is it the city manager. And this

822
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Speaker 2: is not the first time we've had problems. What about

823
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: the police. I'm very pro police, but you know, when

824
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Speaker 2: you have a situation where the chief is in flocks

825
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: and we still have an interim here, I think that's

826
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Speaker 2: also part of the problem. And what does that go

827
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Speaker 2: back to. It goes back to left accountability, transparency and

828
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Speaker 2: function of those elected, in this case re elected to government.

829
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Speaker 2: News is next seven hundred WW. Since you want to

830
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Speaker 2: be an American, we pivot from the issues of the city.

831
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Speaker 2: I'll revisit this last a suffer. A lot of people

832
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 2: want to fire off about the city for not having

833
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: these cameras up. We appropriated the money for and end result,

834
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Speaker 2: you've got eleven year old girls shot to death on

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Speaker 2: New Year's Day. Unreal way to start the new year.

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Speaker 2: For sure, we also have this go on. Speaking of violence,

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Speaker 2: Hamlin County prosecutors have decided not to pursue the death

838
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Speaker 2: penalty for the man who intentionally ran over and killed

839
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Speaker 2: Deputy Larry Henderson last May. They agree that Rodney Hinton

840
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Speaker 2: was legally insane at the time he murdered the deputy.

841
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Speaker 2: He's expected to plead not guilty by reason of insanity.

842
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Speaker 2: Sometime next week the judge, Judge Luvers, has to sign

843
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Speaker 2: off on this for more. It's Steve Gooden, attorney at law,

844
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Speaker 2: and Steve, welcome back. How are you good? I'm all right,

845
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: but I wish we had better news to start the year.

846
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: We have an eleven year old murdered at a play

847
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Speaker 2: ground where two and a half years ago and another

848
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: eleven year old child, a boy, was murdered. No one

849
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: has answers to cameras being up there. And now we

850
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: have the news coming out after what we saw last

851
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: May at UC's graduation. Here's retired Deputy Larry Henderson working

852
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: a detail where he's pushing the button operate street lights

853
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: as people cross across the university campus in order to

854
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: facilitate graduation. And we know the Rodney Hinton, who was

855
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: aggravated because his son was justifiably shot and killed by

856
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: police officers for his role in steel in the car.

857
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: He decided he was going to get vengeance for his

858
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: dead son and kill a deputy he had nothing to

859
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Speaker 2: do with this. He's expected to plead not guilty by

860
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Speaker 2: reason of insanity next week in the court. Apparently in

861
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Speaker 2: the prosecutor's offices agreed. That's pretty rare, isn't it.

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00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is relatively rare, but it does happen. You know,

863
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Speaker 5: I was a prosecutor for many, many years in the

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Speaker 5: both state and the federal system, and you know, we've

865
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Speaker 5: seen these scenarios, and I think what happened. And I

866
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 5: spoke with one of the lawyers who represents mister Hanton yesterday.

867
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 5: Apparently the judge actually appointed an independent expert to take

868
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 5: a look at him and to render some sort of

869
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 5: mental evaluation, and it was this independent expert who concluded

870
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 5: that he did have some sort of Mister Hinton had

871
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 5: some sort of pre.

872
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 9: Existing condition exposed.

873
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 5: They said, both bipolar and possible schizophrenia. He had a

874
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 5: diagnosis that went way back before this incident. And they said

875
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 5: they in their view, it was sufficient to show that

876
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 5: he did not appreciate the wrongfulness of his actions, which

877
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 5: is what has to be demonstrated here from a legal standpoint. Now,

878
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 5: why this is so frustrating for others, and I'm sure

879
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 5: frustrating for the Henderson family, is just you know, it

880
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 5: is all based on opinion. You know, the the so

881
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 5: called MacNaughton test, which is what most states use, including

882
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 5: Ohio in terms of deciding whether someone is not guilty

883
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 5: by reason of insanity, and it requires that someone has

884
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 5: such a a severe mental illness or mental defect that

885
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 5: they cannot appreciate the rightfulness, rightness or wrongfulness of their conduct.

886
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 5: Here's somebody who was actually it looks like was functioning

887
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 5: in society before this. So it begs a lot of

888
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 5: questions does but I will say also in the prosecutor's

889
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 5: defense here in Ohio, I mean we have essentially don't

890
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 5: have the death penalty anymore. It's on the books, it's

891
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 5: seldom imposed. Even if he were sentenced to the death penalty.

892
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 5: You know, the governor Dawine is sent a moratorium on

893
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 5: the death penalty because of the drugs that they.

894
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 9: Use for some time.

895
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: So the odds of it ever actually being imposed are

896
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 5: slim to none if we're just being honest about it.

897
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 5: So at least the one positive thing out of this,

898
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 5: and it's a very muted and kind of distant positive thing,

899
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 5: is that is typically as part of a not guilty

900
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 5: by reason of insanity, at least the person admits the

901
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 5: facts of what he did.

902
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 9: So I mean, at least there will be.

903
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 5: Some coming clean about what actually occurred that day, and

904
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 5: from what we understand, it was just this awful thing

905
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 5: where he watched this video of his son, and exactly

906
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 5: as you said, he went out in the first person

907
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 5: in the uniform, he saw you, he ran over, and

908
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 5: it was just Larry Henderson, who I didn't know well

909
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 5: but did know and was just just as upstanding and

910
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 5: decent a human being as you could have and just

911
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 5: an absolute credit to the uniform, who was just killed

912
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 5: for no reason at all.

913
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: Just being the wrong place at the wrong time for

914
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: someone who wanted vengeance. But doesn't that kind of undermine

915
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: the story, Steve Gooden, that there's some intention there, that

916
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: there's two distinct competence issues, as you have been told before.

917
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: One is the competence of sand trial, meaning his present

918
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: mental state and can he understand the proceedings against him.

919
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: This focus is more on the mental state at the

920
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: time of the offense, the past mental state, so not

921
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: the present but the past. I don't know. If you

922
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 2: drive around the city, presumably in your mind you're looking

923
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: for someone to blame, someone to take out, and an

924
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 2: eye for an eye sort of fashion, and then you

925
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: feel that your son was wrongfully shot, even though he

926
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: was justifiably shot by police. There's no telling a grieving

927
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: parent that. But you know, him going out and essentially

928
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: looking for someone in uniform to kill indicates to me

929
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 2: that's premeditated. If it's premeditated, how does that not how

930
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: does that work then relative to being insane, because you're

931
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: not supposed to know that this at this time is

932
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: a crime, and what you're going to do is a

933
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: criminal in nature. But if you're deliberately doing something and

934
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: actively seeking one some out for one, understand it took

935
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: like in the upwards of an hour for him driving around,

936
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: I don't understand how insanity is play here.

937
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 5: Well, you know, look I'd be I'd be screaming about

938
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 5: this too a bit more. I think if I were

939
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 5: certainly fair with in the family or the prosecutor as well.

940
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 5: I mean, this is one that just is going to

941
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 5: be a very very tough sell to the community for

942
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 5: everything that all the reasons you set out, you know,

943
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 5: if I mean he did and there's no question and

944
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 5: go out looking for someone in uniform, there was a

945
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 5: vengeance aspect. And we now know he has been indicted

946
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 5: subsequent to his arrest for assaulting a SHARE's deputy up

947
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 5: in Butler County, I mean because of you, Because he

948
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 5: actually killed a Hamilton County SHARE's deputy who and the

949
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 5: Hamilton County deputies run the jail locally. They moved him

950
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 5: up to Butler County as a security for security reasons, obviously,

951
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 5: and he's already assaulted another uniformed officer there and is

952
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 5: unfacing a different fellow the indictment for that. So you know,

953
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 5: it also begs the question. In Ohio, it's very very

954
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 5: hard to establish what we call temporary insanity. I mean,

955
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 5: that's something that really only exists in the movies. It's

956
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 5: a practical matter in Ohio. You either have a severe,

957
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 5: severe mental health diagnosis that renders you incapable of understanding

958
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 5: right form wronger you don't if there's no such thing

959
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 5: as temporary insanity. And this sort of flirts with a

960
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 5: temporary insanity theory, which is, well, he had this mental illness,

961
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 5: he saw the video triggered his mental illness, so therefore

962
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 5: his criminal culp ability you know, you know, is significantly reduced.

963
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 9: It doesn't go away.

964
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 5: I mean, he's still going to be held in detention

965
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 5: for many, many, many years, no matter what happens. Here,

966
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 5: but it does, you know, it does diminish it. It

967
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 5: takes the death penalty off the table because mentally ill

968
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 5: people cannot be put to death in Ohio. And again,

969
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 5: as we said, even by a lawyers doesn't matter. But

970
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 5: this is one of these things that is going to

971
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 5: be very very hard, I think for people to understand

972
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 5: and grasp even you know, I think some of the

973
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 5: lawyers who practiced in the spaces I have over the years,

974
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 5: you know, are scratching their head a bed at this.

975
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 5: But I apparently what happened yesterday was that there was

976
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 5: a you know, a one of the court appointed psychologists

977
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 5: who was supposed to be a truly independent person not

978
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 5: representing the state or the or the defense, came in

979
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: and said, no, he had a pretty severe mental health

980
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 5: history prior to all this, and that's what they're hanging

981
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 5: their hat on. So right now, with the prosecutor's position,

982
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 5: I mean, it looks as though, I mean, the death

983
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 5: toll he's already off the table. And I would assume

984
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 5: we're going to move into a scenario where, you know,

985
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 5: where he pleads not guilty by reason of insanity and

986
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 5: assuming that the psychological diagnoses hold up and you know,

987
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 5: he's going to be placed into some sort of mental

988
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 5: health you know, lockdown mental health facility, hopefully for the

989
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 5: rest of his life.

990
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 2: Well, I would think that's the case. Yeah, you don't know, right,

991
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: but you know, it seems like he made deliberate, intended choices.

992
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: It was premeditated for sure. That shows and establishes his

993
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: cognitive function as being okay at the time. Are there

994
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: people on death row who are bipolar? I managed a

995
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: lot of people in prison who suffer from mental illness.

996
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: We know that as a fact. But even if bipolar

997
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: disorder is present, I don't know why the prosecutor could

998
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: argue that that second prong is had met as we

999
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: talked about. I think that's the frustrating part, not just

1000
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: for most people listening, but especially for the family, because

1001
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: the family had to sign off.

1002
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 6: On this, right, well, you know, don't I don't know

1003
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 6: that they did.

1004
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 5: I mean, based upon the on the prosecutor statements yesterday,

1005
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 5: the family, you know, they said, certainly we're not uniform.

1006
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 5: I think, and in this he indicated on the record

1007
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 5: before Judge Luber' is that there have been I guess

1008
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 5: some disagreement among the family, but that they understood. And

1009
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 5: you know, and again I've met the family very briefly

1010
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 5: at at the visitation and uh, you know, you know

1011
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 5: there these are decent people, these are smart, but these

1012
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 5: are people who are not out for blood that they

1013
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 5: do want justice here. And that's the problem with this.

1014
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 5: It doesn't feel like justice. And and you hit the

1015
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 5: nail on the head, which is almost everybody who ends

1016
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 5: up in the criminal justice system has some sort of

1017
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 5: mental health issue. I mean, whether they're dealing with those

1018
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 5: process trauma and that leads them into drug use, and

1019
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 5: the drug use leads them down into uh, into stealing.

1020
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 5: It's always a problem. The issue is what do you

1021
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: what do you do with your mental health problem? You

1022
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 5: know problems? Do you push back? Do you get help?

1023
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 5: Do you do you take them more responsibility of not

1024
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 5: crossing the line into criminal conduct and hurting other people

1025
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 5: and stealing from people and doing things of that nature.

1026
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 5: And that's what our system is. I fear is starting

1027
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 5: to lose because there is this concept of like, you know, yes,

1028
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 5: everybody has their mental health problems in gr or not

1029
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 5: goes to by reason of insanity. It was always when

1030
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 5: I was doing this twenty years ago, was reserved for

1031
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 5: those very tiny sliver of cases, the great minority of

1032
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 5: cases where someone was so mentally ill that they couldn't

1033
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 5: understand what they were doing. And that's a pretty rare thing.

1034
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 5: Everybody's got problems, Everyone has mental health. Almost everybody has

1035
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 5: some mental health issue. But at the end of the day,

1036
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 5: it is our responsibility morally to actually control ourselves into

1037
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 5: engage in society in the right way. And that's what's

1038
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 5: getting lost here. And I'll tell you this is something

1039
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 5: that people are going to struggle with. I am amazed

1040
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 5: if you look online, if you look particularly on some

1041
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 5: of the Facebook groups, there are a lot of folks

1042
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 5: out there who have a lot of sympathy for Hinton.

1043
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 5: You know, it is not it is a It is

1044
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 5: a more divided community on this than you would take.

1045
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 5: But just for my friends in the law enforcement community,

1046
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 5: I think this is something that kind of makes him sick.

1047
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: And again and again.

1048
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that, I'm not saying the guy doesn't

1049
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 5: have problems.

1050
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 9: He clearly does.

1051
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 5: Like you say, the idea that he sought out someone

1052
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 5: in uniform sure sure feels intentional to me.

1053
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: That seems like cognitive ability to be owise. Yeah, Steve Goodness,

1054
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: there a legal paradox here in that this. Like we know,

1055
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: if I go out after the show and I decided

1056
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: to go across the street to a bar and hammered

1057
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: down like four pictures of margaritas, go out, drive a car,

1058
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: strike and kill someone, my decision to put an alcohol

1059
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: in my body was mine, uh, and therefore it is

1060
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 2: entirely my guilt, my fault as to that homicide to

1061
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: curR at my hands behind the wheel of a car. Conversely,

1062
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: in this case, we know that in this case, Rodney

1063
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 2: Hinton was diagnosed as a bipolar in the summer twenty

1064
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: twenty three, well before the offense, and he was prescribed

1065
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: antipsychotic medication. If he choses a lot of people do

1066
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: to get off the drug and not take his prescribed

1067
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: medication that then triggered this episode of insanity, it doesn't

1068
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: the standard hold the same. Like if I choose to

1069
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: drink alcohol, use drugs and I kill someone, that that's

1070
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: my fault. Does that apply in this case? Do you

1071
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: have a duty and responsibility to take the antipsychotic medication

1072
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: that was prescribed to you? And if not, does that

1073
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: not assume guilt?

1074
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 5: Well, you're hitting on something that no pun intended drives

1075
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 5: a lot of lawyers crazy here, which is is that

1076
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 5: that is something that Ohio law.

1077
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 9: In a lot of states does not recognize.

1078
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 5: And Ohio law is very very clear on what we

1079
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Speaker 5: call the voluntary intoxication.

1080
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 9: Events or diminished capacity.

1081
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 5: If you go and intentionally diminish your own ability to say,

1082
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 5: drive a car or something. If you intoxicate yourself voluntarily

1083
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 5: and you get behind the wheel and you hit it

1084
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 5: fill somebody, you're one hundred percent responsible. You cannot claim

1085
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 5: any kind of temporary insanity, et cetera, et cetera.

1086
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 9: Et cetera.

1087
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 5: But we do know people make conscious choices to go

1088
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 5: off antipsychotic medications and essentially diminish their own capacity in

1089
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 5: that manner, and Ohio law just really takes no position

1090
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 5: on that.

1091
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 9: So, I mean, that's something that at some point the.

1092
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 5: Legislature probably should be looking at, particularly as we see

1093
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 5: attorneys now kind of in a more robust way using

1094
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 5: the not guilty by reason of insanity defense. If the

1095
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 5: person knows they have a middle defect, if it's treatable,

1096
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 5: if they are on medication, if they're prescribed medication, and

1097
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 5: they make a conscious decision to go off it and

1098
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 5: then engage in criminal conduct. You know, it should in

1099
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 5: some way from a common sense standpoint, it should preclude

1100
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 5: you from being able to use some of that mental

1101
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 5: health defenses, some of those mental health defenses, but Ohio

1102
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 5: law just doesn't even contemplate that at its current states.

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00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: Do you have other states too?

1104
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: Are?

1105
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 9: My knowledge almost none?

1106
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 5: I mean, this is sort of a new area in

1107
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 5: a lot of ways, you know, just you and it's

1108
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 5: it seems like it shouldn't be because there's so many

1109
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 5: people that pass through the criminal justice system with mental

1110
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 5: health problems.

1111
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 9: Uh, but it's one.

1112
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 5: That that really and again, I guess the question would

1113
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 5: be for for if you're a legislator, you know where

1114
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 5: to draw the line? You know what if someone's just

1115
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 5: on on antidepressants you know, which are not truly anti

1116
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 5: psychotic uh fit meds and and their behavior is impacted somewhere.

1117
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 5: But I think there are some common sense lines that

1118
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 5: can be drawn. And that's something that that really I

1119
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 5: think our legislators should at some point take up because.

1120
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 9: Uh, I mean, it's it's not.

1121
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 5: You know, it's something that that that it does come

1122
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 5: up increasingly, which is someone being quote off their meds.

1123
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 5: I mean, that's something that we just know. People talk

1124
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 5: about that and joke about it all the time. So

1125
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 5: and those off their meds, some people absolutely need these

1126
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 5: medications to function in society at all if they have

1127
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 5: one of these severe diagnoses. So, uh, I don't know, it's

1128
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 5: just it's a it's a blank spot in the law

1129
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 5: right now in my states, but certainly a.

1130
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: Well it should be address. It's kind of along the

1131
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: lines of elderly drivers. And if you're elderly and you

1132
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: mistake your gas pedal for accelerator and you drive through

1133
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: to kill someone, was oh my, that poor. Well fortunately,

1134
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, they just crashed to the front of the

1135
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: store and I'm glad they're okay. It's a great but

1136
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: you know, again, are you competent to drive? If I

1137
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: did that and I was fifteen, it'd be a different

1138
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: story entirely, and you looked at as someone who should

1139
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: have their license taken away from them immediately. We don't

1140
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: see that with lotily folks. We tend to treat them

1141
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: the kids. I think the same with them mental illness.

1142
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 2: A lot of this is probably driven by the and

1143
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: rightly so, there's advocates for the mental health community, of

1144
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 2: which we all have mental health issues at different levels

1145
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 2: for sure, me, you, everybody, and you know. The fear

1146
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: then is, well, you know, if we do this, then

1147
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: we're going to stigmatize mental ill and then people won't

1148
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: go get the care and the help they need because

1149
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: they're afraid that they're going to get in trouble. We're

1150
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: only talking about from this perspective with Rodney Hitton, we're

1151
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: only talking about four states of mental health. Of course,

1152
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: what we're talking about with him is bipolar disorder, but

1153
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 2: things like schizophrennie very serious metal. Well, we're not talking

1154
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: about someone who needs I don't know, something for for

1155
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: mild depression or something like their ADHD meds. We're talking

1156
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 2: about schizophrenia and we're talking about psychotic disorders. We're talking

1157
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: about issues like this, and there's only a handful of

1158
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: them this would apply to. It's not like this is, hey,

1159
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: you didn't take your are your allergy medicine today and

1160
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: you got an accident. It's your fault because you're sneezing.

1161
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: Nothing like that. We're talking about serious mental defect here.

1162
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's right. Then there's a common

1163
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 5: sense place to draw on the line, and really we've

1164
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 5: got to involve the probate courts more in these kinds

1165
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 5: of scenarios. I mean, look, I mean, I mean the

1166
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 5: analogy you used, I think is absolutely dead on. One

1167
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 5: of the toughest battles I've had personally in years was

1168
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 5: two years ago, and I had to take my dad's

1169
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 5: car keys away, right, you know, in his mid eighties

1170
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 5: and was diagnosed with dementia and want to drive everywhere,

1171
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 5: you know, all over town. He's getting lost, and it

1172
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 5: was like, it's just a matter of time before he

1173
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 5: hurts himself or someone else. And luckily I had a

1174
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 5: power of attorney that had been executed and I got

1175
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 5: some legal advice and I took every you know, I

1176
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 5: had to shut it down because I felt that I

1177
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 5: was going to have a moral, if not legal responsibility

1178
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 5: at some point for where it was going to go.

1179
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 5: And a lot of people you have, you see in

1180
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 5: these scenarios. I don't know what the case is with hinting,

1181
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,479
Speaker 5: but you know, typically you have a family member who

1182
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 5: is involved in the treatment in some way, and sometimes

1183
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 5: they have some legal authority through the probate court and

1184
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 5: particularly in terms of making sure they have their medication.

1185
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 5: So you know, that's got to be part of the

1186
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 5: equation is you know, you know who is the responsible party.

1187
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 9: Some people don't have.

1188
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: It be in a state, right, I mean, the state

1189
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 2: issues the state issues a license. Private citizens don't issue licenses,

1190
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: but they shouldn't there and then in this case, they're

1191
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: the ones that asked to be taken away. And I

1192
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: think it is a parallel to what we're talking about

1193
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: here with Rodney Hinton, in that if I drink or

1194
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 2: take drugs and kill someone, obviously I shouldn't have done that.

1195
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: That's on me. I engage in that kind of behavior,

1196
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 2: being deliberately intoxicated, Whereas if I'm ordered to take prescription

1197
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 2: antipsychotics because of a mental state and I don't do

1198
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: that and kill someone, it's not my fault. It doesn't

1199
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense. I don't have hope that

1200
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 2: the law is going to change anytime soon because their

1201
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 2: fear of the backlash from the mental health community and others,

1202
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 2: the fear that's going to cause people not to get

1203
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: the help that they need. It definitely is a catastrophe

1204
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: on many levels here. But the good news is that

1205
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: he's going to plead and hopefully he doesn't see the

1206
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: light of day. Are you pretty confident he's going to

1207
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: get life? He's never going to get out of jail.

1208
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 9: You know, I am.

1209
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, we don't know what's going to happen.

1210
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 5: I mean the good I mean, the good thing about

1211
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 5: the only good thing about this is again he has

1212
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 5: to admit what he did. They're not contesting, they're not

1213
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 5: arguing that there's you know, some other person involved there.

1214
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 5: He's at least acknowledging what occurred here, which I guess

1215
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 5: will well, we'll have some value, I hope. But the

1216
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 5: thing is he will be eligible to have, you know,

1217
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 5: to be in a treatment situation, and to be evaluated

1218
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 5: for release every so often.

1219
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 9: Now, I think given what happened.

1220
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 5: Here, and given that we've got a pretty you know,

1221
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 5: a really sharp judge involved, I think that's you know,

1222
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 5: it's unlikely he's getting out anytime soon. But we can't

1223
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 5: say for a fact, you know, that he'll be locked

1224
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 5: up for life. I mean, there could be a scenario

1225
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 5: where you know, some of the treatment you know, providers

1226
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 5: where he is says, you know, look, he's he's he's

1227
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 5: functioning again, he's medicated, he's doing better. I mean, we

1228
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 5: don't know what's going to happen that way. We just

1229
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 5: know that if he were convicted straight up, this would

1230
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 5: be murder even without the death, then he will be

1231
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 5: murder with a life tail. So h but still I

1232
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 5: think it is, you know, it is unlikely that he

1233
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 5: gets out. I mean, they are gonna you know, there's

1234
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 5: going to be a murder conviction and uh you know

1235
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 5: again one with the possibility at parole and uh, you know,

1236
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 5: and it's it's complicated. We can't say for sure he'll

1237
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 5: never get out, but there's a pretty good chance he'll ever.

1238
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: Get Yeah, I would hope so well, at least we

1239
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: got that Steve good and all the best to try

1240
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: law defense Turney now former prosecutor and knows it all.

1241
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, buddy. Thanks again. Happy to hear you'll

1242
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: get a time out in We've got news and we'll

1243
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: talk about this and whether that makes sense is to

1244
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: you know, there's some diseases. You've got to be responsible

1245
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: for putting the drugs into your system. That's going to

1246
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: prevent this behavior from happening in the first place. We'll

1247
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: talk about a next Lonely after doing seven hundred. It's

1248
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: a Scott's Loan show on seven hundred WLW. Steve Good

1249
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: was just on talking about what's going on with Rodney

1250
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: hitting In case you're just joining the show, didn't hear it?

1251
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: County Prosecute Hamblin County Prosecutor Kip guynan assistant prosecutor, has

1252
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: after talking to medical experts and testimony, including court appointed

1253
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: testament but also independent testimony, in analysis of Rodney Hint

1254
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: in the state of mind the day he decided to

1255
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: murder Deputy Layer Henderson, has determined that he was legally

1256
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: insane that the time he murdered Henderson, and it feels

1257
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: like justice is not being served there because you see

1258
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: someone who in the capacity that seems to go against

1259
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: the narrative that he was out of his mind at

1260
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,479
Speaker 2: the time, in that he was premeditated. He was shown

1261
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: the video he in the family was shown the video

1262
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: camera footage of his son being killed by police officers.

1263
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: Son killed by police officers because he was an a

1264
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: stolen vehicle. He had a gun on him, He's fleeing,

1265
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: He disobeyed commands, fell down, picked the gun back up

1266
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: and held it in his hand and as he was

1267
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: running past the dumpsters, turned towards at least look towards

1268
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: a police officer which sees that certainly is a threat

1269
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: against his life, and fired the rounds in which killed

1270
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 2: that young man, Ryan Hinton, his dad in the family.

1271
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: Was shown the next day the video or at least

1272
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: couple days later, the video of the murder, not murder,

1273
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: but of the shooting, and this triggered him to murder

1274
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 2: Deputy Larry Henderson, in which it appeared about an hour

1275
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 2: got in his vehicle because he was distraught, as you

1276
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: could imagine, at some point decided he was going to

1277
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: find someone a uniform to murder, and that person was

1278
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: Larry Henderson, who was working a detail as a retiree,

1279
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 2: making all extra money I guess, running the cameras or

1280
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: running the stoplets that you see for their graduations, so

1281
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: people cross the street and had nothing to do with

1282
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 2: what happened with a son and I even the same

1283
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: department for that matter, as a sheriff's deputy, you know,

1284
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: a since andy cop. Not that that would not that

1285
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: that would matter at all, but he decided that this

1286
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. He did so because he

1287
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: was off his medication. For bipolar. This seems to me

1288
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: like a lawmaker could tackle this issue. But I can

1289
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: imagine for reasons why a lawmaker wouldn't, and that it

1290
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: just doesn't seem just that if you are ordered by

1291
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: your doctor you have a known serious mental deficiency, and

1292
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 2: I would say bipolar disorder is, I would say schizophrenia is.

1293
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: Then you have to make you have to take your mets.

1294
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: We know there are a lot of homeless people and

1295
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: are homeless for a lot of reasons, but mental health

1296
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: drives a lot of this who won't take their mets,

1297
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: and then we see them do things in public that

1298
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: threaten not on the quality of life, but also may

1299
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: threaten or actually do bodily harm to people because they're

1300
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: if they're mets. Can you force someone to take their medication?

1301
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: It's awfully tough to do unless you put them an institution,

1302
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: which in my opinion, we need more of. We're saying

1303
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: we did was close all the mental hospitals back in

1304
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies because it felt like, well, you

1305
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: know we're not treating them, well, let's release them out

1306
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: in the public. Okay, great, Now what do we have?

1307
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 2: We have people who have mental illnesses that are running

1308
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: around the streets doing things like this before you could

1309
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: institutionalize them. That has to come back. We've got to

1310
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: change that because we worried about the stigma, and that's

1311
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 2: also the problem. Well there's a stigma. Yeah, there should

1312
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: be a stigma. These are very serious mental issues. This

1313
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 2: isn't minor, and we're talking a handful of things that

1314
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: would trigger the courts to enforce this. I made the

1315
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: parallel that if I decide that I'm going to go out,

1316
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 2: or you go out and do drugs, and I'm talking

1317
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 2: about drugs that would alter your mind and state. If

1318
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: I would consume alcohol, If I would I don't know,

1319
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: co cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines, whatever it is, a marijuana for

1320
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: that matter. And I out there and I do that

1321
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: stuff and I kill someone and it's in my system.

1322
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: I go to jail for that. I go to prison

1323
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: for that as well. You should, because you made a

1324
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 2: conscious effort to put something in your body that was

1325
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: going to cause you not to be able to operate

1326
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: a motor vehicle using your clear mind and motor functions. Well,

1327
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: if that's the case, then why isn't the opposite trip

1328
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 2: that if you are told by a doctor, Look, you've

1329
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 2: got to take this medication the rest of your life

1330
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 2: because you have bipolar disorder, you have schizophrenia, you have

1331
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: very serious mental issues, and then you're able to get

1332
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: in a motor vehicle and drive that car without that

1333
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: in your body. Is it going to always happen when

1334
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: someone goes off their mets. No, but this can't be

1335
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: the first time someone's done that. Doesn't that hold that

1336
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: person to a level of accountability. I mean, you went,

1337
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: you got diagnosed that you had this problem. You deserve

1338
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: to treat that problem. And it's not like, you know,

1339
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: taking your heart Well, what are you saying, sloan in

1340
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: the court is going to force you to take your

1341
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: heart medicine, to take your you know, get your diabetes injections. No, No,

1342
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: because the only person you hurt is yourself. There maybe

1343
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: your family members, But again, we do stuff all the

1344
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: time that hurts our family members. That shouldn't be a

1345
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: criminal issue. When it extends to the public at large,

1346
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: it's a different story, right You. Not taking something to

1347
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: control your A one C is much different than taking

1348
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: something to prevent you from going on a psychotic rage,

1349
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: on a rampage and we see it have happened in

1350
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: the past, whether it's mass shootings or something like this.

1351
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: I think that's something seriously the legislature should look at.

1352
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: Not not all drugs that deal with psychotics were not

1353
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: certainly not everything you put in your body should be Hey,

1354
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: you listen, you forgot to take your I don't know,

1355
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: something for your blood pressure that's not the same as

1356
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 2: some sort of anti psychotic medication. Hopefully that's something we

1357
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 2: would address. I don't really see it happening because the

1358
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: mental health advocates will bend over backwards screaming about how

1359
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: this is just some more stigma. It stigmatizes the mental

1360
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: health of people even more so, and it's going to

1361
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 2: cause them not to go get the help that they need.

1362
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. This guy went and got the help

1363
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: he need. He still refuses to abide by the plan.

1364
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: That seems to be as big a decision as someone

1365
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: drinking and driving, and yet we have high standards for that.

1366
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: Doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion. Something

1367
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: else going on here that I want to get real quick.

1368
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: Uh So we get Maduro out. He's in in the

1369
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: lock up, he's in Manhattan. Hopefully it doesn't turn into

1370
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 2: last time we had somebody in a high profile individual

1371
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: in jail in New York City. Uh, look what helped

1372
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 2: wind up happening. You know what I'm saying is not

1373
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's not doesn't not like Jeffrey Epstein. Nonetheless, Nicholas

1374
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: Madura's wife are in custody and it was in court

1375
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: and the charges against them include drug trafficking, and the

1376
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 2: idea we got Madua out of powers we got to

1377
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: stop drug trafficking, which really there wasn't a lot of

1378
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 2: drugs he was trafficking in the US. We got to

1379
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: see the oil, which is the big thing. We got

1380
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: to save our democracy or save the democracy there. But

1381
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: we're back to being the world police again, which we

1382
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: were told this administration wouldn't do. There's the issue of

1383
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: American dominance and punishing Venezuela for sending our migrants to

1384
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: the United States. Okay, those are the reasons why we

1385
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 2: got Madua out of power, and it's a pretty long list.

1386
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: But there's a problem there in that if that's the standard,

1387
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 2: then what are the countries would then fall under the

1388
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: thumb of the United States Going Okay, we've got problem

1389
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 2: with you we're going to take you over. And since

1390
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: we're going down this road, it's kind of like a

1391
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: it's like a country draft. Right now, we're gonna run Venezuela.

1392
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 2: Hell at this point, just look at it going. Okay,

1393
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: if that's the mindset, let's lean into this thing. And

1394
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 2: what other countries should we invade? I mentioned jokingly yesterday

1395
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: Columbian that came out. They well, Columbia's actually one of

1396
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: the countries, largely because it shouldn't cost five dollars to

1397
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 2: get a cup of coffee with cream in it. Yeah,

1398
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 2: the drug plot and cocaine, the cartel's okay, that's all

1399
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 2: well and good. I don't know if you'll ever completely

1400
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: get rid of it, simply because Americans love drugs. We're

1401
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: talking about the Brian hitting Rodney hitting rather with the

1402
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 2: drugs there. But Americans like to self medicate. We like weed,

1403
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: people like cocaine and heroina. I know it's not good

1404
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: for you, it's not good for society, but clearly there's

1405
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 2: an appetite for it. There's a market for it here.

1406
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: People enjoy doing they know. The pitfall is kind of

1407
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: like smoking, right, Warren. Smoking has been going on for

1408
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: a long time. Look, all the research that we spent

1409
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: to stop smoking, people still smile. They switched to vaping

1410
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 2: because it's less stressful, and now we're going after that

1411
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 2: as well. We love our vices here in America. We

1412
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 2: love our vices, and we love drugs. In America, we're

1413
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: a bunch of drug addicts. Even hell, even if you've

1414
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: never taken a street drug into your life, you're probably

1415
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: still taking some medication. Our lives are improved immeasurably by drugs,

1416
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: legal or otherwise. So in this case, how Columbia drug

1417
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: probab okay, okay, can't whatever? Worried about the coffee right,

1418
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: which is also a drug? Like yeah, cream a couple

1419
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: couple of coffees with the cream, I mean large is

1420
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: whatever they call the grandes. That's like ten, you know,

1421
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: fifteen bucks, Like it's a lot of money for some coffee, beans,

1422
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: man for for hot water and beans. You know what

1423
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm saying. We can get that cup of coffee down

1424
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 2: to reasonable. What's reasonable? Two bucks two fifty two fitty

1425
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: I'm down Columbia should be on the line. It looks

1426
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 2: like it's like kind of a nice arie Tiffy cleaned

1427
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 2: it up a little bit get rid of the drug

1428
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: cart tells, hey, it seems like a good vacation spot

1429
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: for us. I agree with Cuba as well. They've been

1430
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: a pain in the ass for a long time. These guys,

1431
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: plus the people there are suffering. This is and that

1432
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: would be the best move of all time because you

1433
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 2: easily win Florida if you're a Republican. If you haven't before,

1434
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: you definitely you because you get that, you get that

1435
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 2: ex patriot vote right there. And let's face it, the

1436
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 2: people because of communism are aren't doing very well. Despite

1437
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 2: what people like Michael Moore say. It's a beautiful country

1438
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 2: with horrible government, not only that being Italian and saw

1439
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: what happened with the casinos back in the fifties with

1440
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: Momo Gi and Conna. You know, we built the Italian

1441
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 2: mob built the casinos down in Cuba. Fedel Castro comes along,

1442
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: nationalizes and kicks the mob out, and their series as

1443
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 2: to why this is why Kennedy got quit an Italian

1444
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: term whacked. There's something behind that as well. So I

1445
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe we get our casinos back, make the

1446
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 2: mob great again. I don't think Mexico simply because it's

1447
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 2: just you know, we think of Mexico is well, it's

1448
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 2: like Cabo or you go to I don't know, Cancum. Yeah,

1449
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: those are are two small areas. And I think, quite honestly,

1450
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 2: do this other stuff. It's gonna get Mexico in line

1451
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 2: because it seems like the new Mexican president she wants

1452
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 2: to play she wants to play ball, so maybe that's

1453
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: coming around with that. I would say to Brazil for

1454
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 2: the same reason. That's a big ass got it's a

1455
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 2: huge country man. And also lots of snakes, lots of

1456
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 2: snakes in the Amazon. You gotta do with the Amazon rainforest.

1457
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: Now you take that over. Now you inherit the whole

1458
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 2: problem of global warming. And you got did I mention

1459
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 2: the snakes? Giant crazy bugs as big as of Olkswagen.

1460
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: You know, we don't want to be in there. We

1461
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 2: don't want to be in there. Brazil, Just let Brazil

1462
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 2: be Brazil. Greenland's another one. I guess there's resources there

1463
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: and national security. Where's it go to? Greenland? Greenland's not

1464
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 2: really green Greenland's actually Iceland, and Iceland is actually Greenland,

1465
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 2: as we learned in grade school. I think if you're

1466
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 2: going to invade, look at it. This way, you're Greenland,

1467
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: this big honk of ice. Okay, maybe they got some

1468
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 2: stuff under the ground. We want whatever, let's do Iceland.

1469
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: It's a lot smaller, it's tiny compared to Greenland. And

1470
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: it's green, not Icy. It's rykevic right. You fly in,

1471
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 2: you fly out. It's nice. And not only that, if

1472
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 2: you fly to Europe, it's a good stopping point. It's

1473
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 2: a good point to get out, change, stretch your legs

1474
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: a little bit. Well, having to go to the hassle

1475
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: so you know, pass sports and maybe you stay there

1476
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 2: for well, it seems like, yeah, Greenland, that that Greenland

1477
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: is my Iceland seems to be the one. If we're

1478
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 2: going to take over another country, I'm all in on Iceland.

1479
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: Let's start there and expand that territory a little bit

1480
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: that way, just kind of you know, dipping our toe

1481
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 2: in the water. I think we've got this part of

1482
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: the hemisphere that you know, South America. Like I said,

1483
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: you know, you go after you get Cuba, you get Columbia,

1484
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 2: you take care of, you know, some of these other countries. Columbia, Columbia,

1485
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 2: I'll be happy with just column Columbia Cuba, those two

1486
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: are that's doable. It's in the time zone. Yeah, okay,

1487
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: if you're gonna start messing around around the other side

1488
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 2: of the go to Iceland. We don't want to be

1489
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: going halfway on the world though. I don't know. Do

1490
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: we need Jamaica, Do we need Costa Rica? Do we

1491
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 2: need the Bahamas and Perua? No, you don't really need that.

1492
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: Those are small, tiny little island cut let them be.

1493
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 2: We've got enough of a footprint if you just did those,

1494
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 2: I'd be quite content with that. As long as we're

1495
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: taking stuff over, I say, go big or go home.

1496
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 2: Trying to think other countries. What about Germany? We need

1497
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 2: a presence, and Germany's invaded other countries before. It's about

1498
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 2: time we say, well, we're taken to see how you

1499
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 2: guys like it. Gotta be like in the Smack Daba.

1500
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 2: Now we kind of need Germany now we don't want

1501
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 2: to piss off the Germans. Plus yeah, well look at

1502
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati connection here too.

1503
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1504
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 2: I'm just I don't know if I'm speaking it is anywhere.

1505
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to think of where in Africa would

1506
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: you want to expand to, Like Morocco. Morocco seems like

1507
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 2: a good Gride, Casablanca. You've got that whole Humphrey Bogart

1508
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 2: thing guy, And it's not quite in the desert. It's

1509
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 2: a little bit. It's on the northern right on what's

1510
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 2: right there, Spain's right there, and maybe maybe Moroccots. He

1511
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: has taken a Morocco as long as we're rolling, and

1512
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to think what the case would

1513
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: be against Morocco, because you got to you gotta gena.

1514
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 2: Like the whole thing with Venezuela is about you know,

1515
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 2: it's about drugs, and it really isn't about getting the

1516
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: oil out of there. I'm not sure the oil companies

1517
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 2: are too keen on doing it because you know, again

1518
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 2: it's the flavor of the month. They get in there,

1519
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 2: spend billions of dollars and then the regime changes again.

1520
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 2: Your screw, You lose all that money. You might as

1521
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 2: well just stay in the golf in the Permian basin.

1522
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: But I'm make I go Columbia, Cuba, Iceland, those are

1523
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Speaker 2: my big ones right there. I make a list. I'm

1524
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 2: running a list over here. It's my Christmas wish list

1525
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:23,360
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1526
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,720
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1527
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1530
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Speaker 2: Tuesday Morning, Scott's Slung Show, seven hundred w Well, w

1531
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 2: welcome to it. New Year's Day is behind us and

1532
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 2: here we are. Today is a holiday. Did you know this?

1533
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 2: Today is known as divorce day? Divorce Day is today.

1534
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: It's because I don't know how they calculated this, but

1535
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 2: we'll run with it. We start to see a spike

1536
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 2: in divorce filings this month. I guess that makes sense

1537
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 2: because you know, you get through the holidays and you realize,

1538
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: as you spend a lot of time around people, because

1539
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,839
Speaker 2: most people have the week or weeks off, there's you know, events,

1540
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 2: there's get together with friends and family and more, and

1541
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 2: you realize how mouch you hate that person who's ring

1542
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 2: is on your finger and you want to take that

1543
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,799
Speaker 2: ring off and fired in the drink. Jason Philibaum family

1544
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 2: lawyer of Attorney at Law, joining the show once again

1545
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 2: to discuss Jason.

1546
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 6: How are you good morning, doing well? Thank you?

1547
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: What is the number one clause of divorce you see

1548
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 2: these days?

1549
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 6: Marriage without a doubt, if you don't get married, you

1550
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 6: will not get divorced. But all in all reality, a

1551
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 6: lot of it's about kids and finances, and so what

1552
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 6: I tell people that are looking to get married be

1553
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 6: I don't is you know, go and get pre maret,

1554
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 6: the counseling, and really talk about how you're going to

1555
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 6: raise kids, how many kids you want? You know, you

1556
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 6: get into a marriage, one person wants one, one person

1557
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 6: wants four. There's fights. I just recently did a divorce

1558
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 6: because a you know, a couple wouldn't have kids, and

1559
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 6: one of them won on it. Another big thing I

1560
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 6: see is finances. I can't tell you how many spend thrifts.

1561
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 6: There are both male and female hidden credit cards. You know,

1562
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 6: people work hard and come home and their spouse pay

1563
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 6: you know, spends all the money on whatever involve trips, shoes,

1564
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 6: I've seen both. Those are probably the too biggest. And

1565
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 6: then the third is more of a psychological question. But

1566
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,839
Speaker 6: I think people just stop working at it, and before

1567
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,879
Speaker 6: you know, you become roommates instead of lovers and friends,

1568
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 6: and then that creates all kinds of other issues.

1569
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably true. I mean I've seen it time

1570
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 2: and time again with friends where you know your kids

1571
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: it's all about sports and the like, I know your

1572
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: family's involved in that kind of stuff, and you heay,

1573
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: it's kids, kids, kids, and you make friends and once

1574
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 2: sports goes away, they graduate and it's like, Okay, now

1575
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 2: we have nothing in common and you kind of got

1576
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 2: to work on that before your youngest one winds up

1577
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: leaving the house, otherwise it could set you up for

1578
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: something like this exactly.

1579
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 6: And you're right. I mean I see all kinds of

1580
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 6: divorced filings in January. I get a lot of calls

1581
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 6: in December with people asking questions, and then January and

1582
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 6: February always tend to be the biggest day months that

1583
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 6: you file for divorce. I think you hit on it,

1584
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 6: which is your home with the family, and you're you know,

1585
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 6: like it's spike during COVID because people were home together

1586
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 6: and they started really, wait a second, I don't know

1587
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 6: if I like this person very much. I mean that

1588
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 6: happens to the holidays as well. But I think a

1589
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 6: lot of people are like, I just want to get

1590
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 6: through the holidays, you know, I want to give my

1591
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 6: kids one last Christmas. I want to you know not,

1592
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 6: And then I want to do it in January because

1593
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 6: I want to have it settled by the next school year,

1594
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 6: and divorces can take six to eighteen months to resolve,

1595
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 6: So if you start it in January, you probably will

1596
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 6: have a pretty good idea of what's going on by

1597
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 6: the time kids will go back to school in August.

1598
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 6: The other thing you know is tax returns. People, you know,

1599
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 6: divorces are expensive. You've got to pay attorneys, and so

1600
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 6: a lot of times people will wait until they're getting

1601
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 6: their tax returns end of January early February so they

1602
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 6: can pay legal bill.

1603
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 2: You know, if you've been around the block a little bit,

1604
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 2: you have friends, family members, whoever, who have went through divorce,

1605
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: and it's it's not cheap. You're one hundred percent right

1606
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 2: about that. In the division of assets, in the accra,

1607
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: all the things involved with it just terrific. Is I

1608
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 2: remember anyone who goes through it and goes you know,

1609
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 2: maybe because when we're compatible, but man, the financial burden,

1610
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 2: the stress of going through this is just its next level.

1611
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: So would your advice then be, hey, try to settle

1612
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 2: this before you come to see me, because no one

1613
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 2: is ever happy. No one leaves with what they want

1614
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:30,839
Speaker 2: in a divorce.

1615
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, So what I recommend to clients is, first of all,

1616
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 6: I find out are they in a position where we

1617
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 6: can maybe do a dissolution, because that'll cut a cost

1618
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 6: by you know, seventy five eighty percent. It really really

1619
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 6: streamlines it if you can do a dissolution, but you

1620
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 6: have to agree on everything, one hundred percent agreement, and

1621
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 6: very quickly I can find out in a free consultation

1622
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 6: I give to clients whether or not they're likely to

1623
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 6: have in the solution. If not, then you're going to

1624
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 6: have to file. You're going to have to go through

1625
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 6: that process. And you're right if other than the death

1626
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 6: in the family, divorce usually is the most stressful time

1627
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 6: that you're going to go through in your life. I

1628
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 6: see it, you know, even if you don't have kids,

1629
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 6: but especially when you have kids, because even if you're

1630
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 6: the best parents in the whole world, you're losing half

1631
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 6: the time with your children, You're doubling your expenses, and

1632
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 6: you're cutting half your income away. So it's very stressful

1633
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 6: for pretty much everyone that goes through it, whether they

1634
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 6: want it or not.

1635
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 2: It is very strategy to do this as far as

1636
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 2: timing goes, you mentioned taxes. What else do you have

1637
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: to consider?

1638
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 6: So the biggest issue I tell people is you have

1639
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 6: to think about school. If you file in May and

1640
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 6: you hope that you're going to have the school situation

1641
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 6: settled by August and the parents are not in a lie,

1642
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 6: it's not going to happen. So I think people, you know,

1643
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 6: six to eighteen months for a divorced so somewhere between

1644
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 6: October and January is the prime filing if you want

1645
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 6: to have things settled at least from a kid's perspective,

1646
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 6: by by you know, August when they go back to school.

1647
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 6: I've had divorce couples come to me and say, hey,

1648
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,799
Speaker 6: I want to change school and the other person doesn't agree.

1649
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 6: And by the way, it's July. I'm like, the course

1650
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 6: are not going to hear your case within a month.

1651
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 6: You're not going to be able to switch schools in

1652
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 6: a month unless you have an agreement. So people that

1653
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 6: are looking to switch gold even post divorce, still have

1654
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 6: the file emotion and get into court, and you know,

1655
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 6: I recommend doing that by March or April, so you know, divorce,

1656
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 6: I think January is a good time for that. Filing

1657
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 6: in December is always rough. So that's why people wait

1658
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 6: till January. And then there's probably a whole host of

1659
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 6: things I tell clients when they call either in November December,

1660
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 6: you know, things that they should and shouldn't do before

1661
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 6: and during the original filing part of it.

1662
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 2: Attorney Jason Phillibum on The Scotsland Show seven hundred W

1663
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 2: l W. Today is divorce day, known as divorce day

1664
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: because this is peak day people start coming in after

1665
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 2: the holidays and realizing I shouldn't be married to this person,

1666
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 2: and they file for divorce. And so you see the

1667
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 2: spike all the way through because you suffer through the

1668
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 2: holidays and that probably finalized the deal, or you wanted

1669
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: to get through the holidays because of you know, hanging

1670
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: out with family members and friends and the kids and

1671
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 2: all that stuff too, and then you want to go, okay,

1672
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 2: well we're going to start the new year. My resolution

1673
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 2: is to to dumpyard dead ass. How much time? How

1674
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 2: often is it is it? Is it usually mutual that

1675
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 2: couples kind of come in together. Are they come in

1676
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 2: and go, okay, well we talked about it, we're gonna

1677
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 2: we're gonna break up, As opposed to the very theatrical

1678
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 2: one where someone will gets served and they have no no,

1679
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 2: and they had no warning ahead of time.

1680
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 6: Well, I would say a lot of people have warning

1681
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 6: ahead of time. They see the warning signs, they talked

1682
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 6: about it. But with that said, there's still a lot

1683
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 6: of people that just don't agree. Even if you're unhappy

1684
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 6: in your marriage, whether it's a guy or a girl,

1685
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 6: whether you're unhappy, you don't want to get divorced. You

1686
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 6: don't want to put your kids through that. So I

1687
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 6: would say, you know, other than a dissolution, a lot

1688
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 6: of divorces are self contested and they sell bite and

1689
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 6: I'll give you some free I gave you a shelf

1690
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 6: fre invites. I'm going to give you the same freevit.

1691
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 6: But in all seriousness, there's a few things I tell

1692
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 6: every client that calls me. Number one is treat your

1693
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 6: house right now like an insurance claim. Go through in

1694
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 6: videotape everything you have in the house videotape. The you

1695
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 6: know whether it's in good condition or bad condition. One

1696
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 6: of the big fights that we have is, oh, that

1697
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 6: paintings worth five thousand dollars and the other person said, no,

1698
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 6: that painting. We got rid of it three years ago.

1699
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 6: Well there's a video of it on the wall two

1700
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 6: weeks ago, so that's not true. Or you know, they'll say, hey,

1701
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 6: that this item is worth this amount of money and

1702
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 6: I'm like, no, this is the shape that it's in,

1703
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 6: it's not. So you do it for insurance. So I say,

1704
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 6: it's not a bad idea to go through and just

1705
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 6: videotape your items in your house. Insurance companies tell you

1706
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 6: to do that in cases of five or a fact.

1707
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 6: So before you start a divorce process, that's that would

1708
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 6: be a nice way to catalog everything. The second thing

1709
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 6: I tell people is don't move out of the house

1710
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 6: unless there's domestic violence or danger or you know, things

1711
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 6: like that. Don't move out of the house because you

1712
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 6: are giving up probably your most important asset and losing

1713
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 6: control of that during the divorce process. Plus, if you

1714
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 6: have kids and you don't have a plan for you know,

1715
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 6: what kind of parenting time you can have during the

1716
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 6: tendency of the divorce, it could take three to six

1717
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 6: months for court to make a decision on what parenting

1718
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 6: time is. So if you move out, I've seen situations

1719
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 6: where people have been kind of kept away from their

1720
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 6: kids for months. So those are the two biggest pieces

1721
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 6: of advice I give is don't move out without talking

1722
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 6: to an attorney first, and catalog your items just by

1723
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 6: doing a quick you know, video of it like you

1724
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 6: would for insurance Jase.

1725
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 2: The other one is money, and I mean, we have

1726
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 2: a lot of passwords these days. Should you go through

1727
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 2: once this looks like it's going to happen and change

1728
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: all your passwords the ones that he or she may

1729
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 2: know of. Check the beneficiary as insurance policy. Make sure

1730
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 2: your bank accounts aren't going to get cleaned out, because

1731
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 2: you hear that from time to time as well. How

1732
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 2: do you protect yourself with the capital that you have

1733
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 2: on hand or actually the thing's worth something that you

1734
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 2: have on hand.

1735
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,799
Speaker 6: Sure, there's two distinctions. The first one, if something's been filed,

1736
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 6: the court's going to put on a temporary restraining order

1737
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 6: that says you cannot sell or dispose of items. So

1738
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 6: at that point you got to be careful what you do,

1739
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 6: So talk to an attorney specifically before you do anything.

1740
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 6: If there's been a filing. Prior to filing, what a

1741
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 6: lot of people will do is is to do exactly

1742
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 6: what you said. They want to make sure that their

1743
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 6: money is in order. If there's a huge savings account,

1744
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 6: some people are afraid the other side might take it

1745
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 6: and dispose of it. So I always tell people, don't

1746
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 6: dispose of it. That's going to come back to bite you.

1747
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 6: Don't go to the boat, don't go to the casino.

1748
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,879
Speaker 6: But I think it's okay to put it in another

1749
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 6: safe account that's held there until the court decides how

1750
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 6: to divide it. I've had a situation where a guy

1751
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 6: had a lot of money in savings. He took it out,

1752
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 6: he put it in another staving's account, filed for divorce,

1753
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,839
Speaker 6: and then very quickly I spoke with the other attorney

1754
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 6: and said, hey, he's willing to split this this marital assets,

1755
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 6: but make sure we take that into account at the

1756
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 6: end of the cave. And so we did a temporary agreement,

1757
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 6: we split the money. That's I had another situation where

1758
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 6: I advised the client to do that, he didn't and

1759
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 6: the life took it and then he was without the

1760
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,440
Speaker 6: ability to pay bills. So that those are all concerns,

1761
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 6: and that's why I give a free consultation, and I

1762
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,919
Speaker 6: suggest before you do anything like that, talk to an attorney,

1763
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 6: so you do it. The right way. You do it

1764
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 6: the legal way, and then you do it the fair way,

1765
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 6: because at the end of the day, in Ohio, the

1766
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 6: court is going to split it over your assets and

1767
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 6: all your dad's fifty to fifty unless there's financial misconduct

1768
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 6: or something like that. It's the fifty to fifty state.

1769
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 6: And so you want to make sure you act fairly

1770
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 6: because the judge is going to require that at the end.

1771
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 2: What about social media? You know, when someone files for

1772
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: divorces split up, generally there's some macrimony there. And you

1773
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 2: tell me you may a lash out that you don't

1774
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 2: want to do anything. You basically want to keep the

1775
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 2: status quo.

1776
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 6: Yes, because divorces are very emotional, and again it happens

1777
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 6: on both sides, men and women. They get very emotional

1778
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 6: during divorces. And you know, this is a business transaction.

1779
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 6: It's a mass problem. Let's take all your assets, divide

1780
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 6: by two, all your debts divide by two, and then's

1781
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 6: figure out what's tech interest for your kids. That's a

1782
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 6: very simple equation, but it becomes so complicated because there's

1783
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 6: so much emotion. And so I tell clients don't do

1784
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 6: anything that's going to you know, put fire on the flame.

1785
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 6: You've got a fire right now, and you know your

1786
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 6: life is kind of burning. That's how the forces are.

1787
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 6: That's contain it. Let's get it to make sure there's

1788
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 6: no long term damage. You start going on social media

1789
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 6: and posting about a new boyfriend or girlfriend, or post

1790
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 6: about all the bad things you're spouted, just take gasoline

1791
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 6: import on that fire. It's no longer a controllable situation.

1792
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 6: So I tell people, you know, it's not something you

1793
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 6: have to do. You don't have to not talk about

1794
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 6: your divorce, but I would very much keep everything off

1795
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 6: social media because you don't want to do anything to

1796
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 6: make it more difficult than it already is.

1797
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: All right, before we go, Jason on this divorce day,

1798
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 2: what if you are just completely blindsided about this, because

1799
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 2: that happens probably more often than you think, where someone

1800
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 2: says everything's fye. Next thing you know, they're being served

1801
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 2: papers and you're caught like a deer in headlights. I

1802
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 2: obviously the first step would be to hire an attorney immediately.

1803
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: It's not sooner, but there's all sorts of deadlines. I

1804
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 2: know people who have gone, well, I just ignore it,

1805
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 2: maybe it'll go away, and it doesn't.

1806
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's actually the first thought I had when you

1807
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 6: ask that question, and do not put your head in

1808
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 6: the sand. You may not want it, you may want

1809
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 6: to fight it. There are ways that we can, you know,

1810
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 6: sort of delay it to see if there's a way

1811
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 6: for reconciliation. But the most important thing you should do

1812
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 6: is get an attorney. Do it right away. You've got

1813
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 6: to make sure your rights are protected. You've got to

1814
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 6: make sure all the two lines are protected, and then

1815
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 6: we can talk about strategies moving forward. The worst thing

1816
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 6: you can do, though, is put your head in the

1817
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 6: stand and ignore it. Even even people that file their

1818
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 6: own answer you know, I don't want to do this,

1819
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 6: or I don't want a divorce. I don't think you know,

1820
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 6: we're not you know whatever that's stell you're putting yourself.

1821
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 6: I've had a situation where a person tried to do

1822
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 6: it on their own and end up getting blocked from

1823
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 6: seeing their kids for nine months. Had they got an attorney,

1824
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 6: I think I think that would have probably only been

1825
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 6: about a month. So there's a lot of things that

1826
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,879
Speaker 6: can go wrong by trying to do it doing it yourself.

1827
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 6: So don't put your head in the stand. Get an attorney.

1828
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 6: Right away, and then you know, counseling. You know, I

1829
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 6: do refer not specifically two people, but I tell clients

1830
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 6: you should talk to a counselor because this is, like

1831
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 6: I said at the beginning of the call, one of

1832
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 6: the most difficult situations you're going to go through outside

1833
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 6: of death in the family. And you know, if you

1834
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 6: had a death in the family and you're feeling this way,

1835
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 6: you'd go talk to a counselor. I think it's okay

1836
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 6: to have someone that you can kind of dump your

1837
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 6: mental track with because this is going to be sort

1838
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 6: of a long fight.

1839
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know for sure I've never been to this,

1840
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 2: fortunately knock Wood, thank God. But there's a limited amount

1841
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 2: of time you have to sign those spaed you don't

1842
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: respond to the papers, you're an automatic default. There's judgments

1843
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 2: filed against you automatically if you don't respond correct.

1844
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 6: Yes, you have twenty eight days to file and answer. However,

1845
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 6: a lot of times they will ask for temporary orders

1846
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 6: thousand support and support parenting time. You have fourteen days

1847
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 6: to respond to that. So if you don't get an

1848
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 6: attorney within those first fourteen days, you could have an

1849
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 6: award go into a fact that's temporary that you can't afford.

1850
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 6: You know, I've seen you know, hopefully attorneys don't do this,

1851
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 6: but I've seen people, you know, say your style is

1852
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 6: three hundred thousand dollars when it's fifty. And then all

1853
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 6: of a sudden, the judge is awarding an order based

1854
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 6: on a three hundred thousand dollars amount instead of a

1855
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 6: fifty one thousand dollars amount. And then now you're paying

1856
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 6: something that you can't avoid, and it's going to take

1857
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 6: months to get that change. So fourteen days if there's

1858
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 6: temporary orders requested, twenty eight days to file a formal answer.

1859
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 6: But you should get an attorney right away. They can

1860
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 6: look at the paperwork and they can tell you, you know,

1861
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 6: what needs to be done.

1862
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 2: And when Yeah, it's sad. How many times do people

1863
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 2: come to you and then realize, hey, this, you know what,

1864
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 2: maybe we can work it out because you think, ah,

1865
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 2: divorce ripped the band aid off. It's it's basically a

1866
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 2: year of hell. Everyone I've known that's gone through this,

1867
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, an agreeable divorces, you may even disillusions,

1868
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of pain and emotion and that is

1869
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 2: tough to tamp down because we are emotional creatures, as

1870
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: you said. But how many people come to you in

1871
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 2: Afric consulting attorneys try to fix it or wind up

1872
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 2: walking away going you know what, we'll just we'll deal

1873
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 2: with it. We'll figure this out.

1874
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 6: So I've I've been doing this twenty six years, and

1875
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 6: I've been doing the worst cases, you know, pretty much

1876
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 6: full time for sixteen years. And I can tell you

1877
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 6: that I can count on my right hand how many

1878
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 6: times people have gotten back together. Two of those were

1879
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 6: during the divorce. They filed emotion to essentially stay it

1880
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 6: so they can reconcile, and they did. Three was accid

1881
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 6: of divorce, the divorce ended, and then a few, you know,

1882
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 6: months later, they started dating again. And my recommendation is

1883
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:34,719
Speaker 6: still don't remarry. But still it doesn't happen very often.

1884
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 6: So I tell clients it's okay to hope that you

1885
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 6: might reconcile, It's okay to request the counseling, but you

1886
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 6: need you need to go forward with the idea that

1887
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 6: this is happening, and my job is to help walk

1888
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 6: you through the divorce, you know. And again you go

1889
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 6: to a counselor and they'll talk to you about the

1890
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 6: other part of it. But you know what, pure numbers,

1891
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 6: it's very rare. It's a lot more rare than people think.

1892
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,480
Speaker 2: Till about you on that team Scott or team Michelle.

1893
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 2: If it comes down to.

1894
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 6: The right now, you know, yeah, the few.

1895
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 2: It's funny because I've talked to many attorneys and they

1896
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 2: always side with my wife, going, no, you do whatever

1897
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 2: she does. You got a comming son.

1898
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 6: Didn't you tell me not to go to war with

1899
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 6: someone that has the air waves every day? With that said,

1900
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 6: you know who I like better is a whole different story. Yes, right, yes, correct, Yeah,

1901
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 6: I'm on the radio. I'm on your side, and.

1902
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 2: We got divorce. I'd be on her side too. It's

1903
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 2: like take it all you deserve it. Attorney Jason Phillips.

1904
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 6: I just got a tech from Michelle.

1905
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 2: Michelle, I am teasing, yes, yes, yes, yes, So she's

1906
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 2: all over this or radar one off. Jason phil Obama

1907
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 2: attorney a law. He's he's the best. If you need him,

1908
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 2: he's there for you.

1909
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 6: Jason.

1910
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 2: Thanks again, appreciate you.

1911
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

1912
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 9: Thank you.

1913
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 2: All right, run it a little bit late here and

1914
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 2: yeah after this it' said's simply not happening. But man,

1915
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 2: I've still so many friends, as you know, been through

1916
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Speaker 2: this and you may have as well. It's a really,

1917
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Speaker 2: really difficult thing. But today is divorce Day twenty twenty six.

1918
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Speaker 2: Just so you know, seven hundred deul do all the

1919
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Speaker 2: Scots launship time to.

1920
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Speaker 6: Talk about money, how to make it, how to keep it,

1921
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Speaker 6: and how to keep others off your stack.

1922
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Speaker 2: This is all worth advice with Andy Schaeffer. Andy, happy you.

1923
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Speaker 6: Good morning.

1924
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Speaker 2: Happy Now you're Scott.

1925
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Speaker 6: How are you today?

1926
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Speaker 2: I'm doing well because the markets are doing well. We

1927
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 2: should all be happy about that.

1928
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

1929
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Speaker 11: I think the markets so far have kind of shrugged

1930
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Speaker 11: off the arrest of Nicholas Maduro by the United States.

1931
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Speaker 11: I don't think it's going to have a near term

1932
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Speaker 11: economic consequence for the globalifications will reverberate for years to come,

1933
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 11: but it remains to be seen. A lot of oil

1934
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 11: heavy and energy heavy stocks performed very well yesterday and

1935
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Speaker 11: that's what really drove the market.

1936
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and things are looking up and you think, man, okay, hey,

1937
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Speaker 2: we're gonna take over the leader of Venezuelan and incarcerat

1938
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 2: them and charge them, and you think the market to

1939
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 2: go bonkers. And they're not what we often talk about.

1940
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 2: How you know, the markets are about green, not blue

1941
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 2: or red. But there is a certain amount of impact

1942
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 2: the president or administration will have on the markets on

1943
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Speaker 2: a day to day basis. For sure, Why didn't we see,

1944
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 2: in your opinion, any movement this way? Why do things

1945
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 2: get better not worse?

1946
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Speaker 6: Well, you have to.

1947
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Speaker 11: Understand politics only plays about a seventeen percent role in

1948
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 11: our total GDP. So while it does have an impact,

1949
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 11: most of our economy is driven by the consumer. We're

1950
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 11: seventy percent of the total GDP that we measure. And

1951
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 11: so with Venezuela, you have to understand since twenty ten,

1952
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 11: their infrastructure has diminished significantly. They had a mass exodus

1953
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 11: in twenty thirteen. And as far as their oil production,

1954
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 11: they used to account for about one percent of global

1955
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 11: GDP and produce around three point five million barrels per day.

1956
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 11: Today it only represents abouero point one percent of the

1957
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 11: world GDP and produces only about you know, less than that,

1958
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 11: you know as we move forward, and a lot of

1959
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,839
Speaker 11: that has to do with the infrastructure decline under Chavez

1960
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 11: and Maduro over the years.

1961
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 6: And the other.

1962
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Speaker 11: Significant impact is that you know, the oil in Venezuela,

1963
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 11: which is the largest proven reserves that we know of,

1964
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 11: is very heavy. It takes a lot of cost to

1965
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Speaker 11: refine and produce. And so while it seems that there

1966
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 11: could be a shakeup, from a geopolitical standpoint, you know,

1967
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 11: Venezuela's economy is not very robust. It only accounts for

1968
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 11: about one hundred and twenty billion dollars when the United

1969
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 11: States is about thirty trillion, and so Venezuela's economy is

1970
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 11: about the size of West Virginia's and so in the

1971
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 11: big scheme of things, it doesn't really matter today as

1972
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 11: far as this is concerned from an economic standpoint. Geopolitically

1973
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,679
Speaker 11: is a total different conversation. But from an economic standpoint,

1974
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Speaker 11: it doesn't really move the needle.

1975
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that it makes sense. And as far as

1976
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 2: all the futures, but particularly oil stocks did really really

1977
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 2: well yesterday on that news. But I look at it

1978
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 2: and go, man, it's it's that's a lot to ask

1979
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 2: because you know, as you know, drilling anything you've watched

1980
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 2: Landman for example, which is an awesome show, you know

1981
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 2: how expensive it is just to drill and speculate on

1982
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 2: the oil markets too. I would think if I were

1983
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Speaker 2: one of the big oil companies. And maybe this is

1984
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,879
Speaker 2: why they're not saying much about this outside of Chevron,

1985
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,719
Speaker 2: I think is that they don't know what the political

1986
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 2: situation is. The last thing you want to do is

1987
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 2: spend hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars to

1988
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 2: explore in Venezuela. They have some regime come and cut

1989
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,719
Speaker 2: you out and nationalize it again. And so it isn't

1990
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 2: it safer for them to continue to drill in the

1991
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 2: golf and in the premium basin.

1992
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, the permium basin makes a lot of sense, and

1993
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 11: there's a lot of clean shale there, you know, so

1994
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:41,600
Speaker 11: it makes it easier to extract and refine. But you know,

1995
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 11: if you're looking at it from an energy company's perspective,

1996
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 11: this will likely shake out over the next few months

1997
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 11: to get a better understanding of what the political picture

1998
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 11: is going to look like in Venezuela, and there is

1999
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 11: there will be a lot of room for investment opportunity,

2000
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 11: and that's what these companies are looking at now. Overall,

2001
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 11: when you talk about oil and the price of the

2002
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 11: price of oil, the bigger picture is that the rising

2003
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 11: output in the United States and OPEC will dominate oil

2004
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,799
Speaker 11: market dynamics for the coming years. And so just because

2005
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 11: of you know, those two entities, we expect the global

2006
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 11: supply growth over the next year so to push oil

2007
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 11: prices down to about fifty dollars per barrel. So again

2008
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 11: it's it's more about US as as opposed to Venezuela.

2009
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 11: And you know, I think some energy companies have some

2010
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 11: I would say hesitant optimism about investment in Venezuela.

2011
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:29,799
Speaker 6: Then time will tell.

2012
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Speaker 2: All right, from a financial market standpoint, Andy Schaeffer, which

2013
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 2: country should we invade next?

2014
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know that makes me a little bit uneasy

2015
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 11: obviously that you know, Maduro was a bad guy. But

2016
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 11: you know, but I think that's why you have to

2017
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 11: stay on your toes as far as you know, from

2018
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 11: an investment point of view and an economic standpoint. You know,

2019
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 11: but when you go throughout history and you look at

2020
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 11: all the conflicts that we've been in, whether it's been

2021
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 11: Desert Storm or the Cuman missile crisis, World War two,

2022
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 11: you have to remember that the mark of the time

2023
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 11: has met and exceeded its previous highs.

2024
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 6: It's just a matter of time.

2025
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 11: So if you have a smart plan in place, with

2026
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 11: a portfolio that you're able to adjust, You're gonna be fine.

2027
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:15,520
Speaker 11: And so usually these conflicts will you know, crash headlines

2028
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 11: and the market will react, you know, in a in

2029
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 11: an instant, but over the long term it really doesn't

2030
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 11: have a major effect on our global GP.

2031
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 2: You really never answered the question, you know that, right?

2032
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2033
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 6: Do you like that tap dance?

2034
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 2: I vote Columbia because coffee is too damn expensive. Should

2035
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee? But I mean coffee with cream

2036
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 2: and not one of these you know drinks like you

2037
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 2: like where it's got whipped cream and chocolate shavings and

2038
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 2: parts of a birch tree in it. God knows what

2039
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 2: else looks like. It looks like one of them bougie

2040
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 2: bloody Mary's, you know, with the celery and I'll shrimp

2041
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 2: on it. There's a half a chicken. Uh yeah, those

2042
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 2: things should cost more, but yeah, five bucks or a

2043
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 2: cup of black coffee. I think Columbia said that we

2044
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 2: should have all the countries. I think we should go

2045
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 2: after Columbia next.

2046
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 6: Well, I will I will say this.

2047
01:36:58,040 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 11: First of all, we buy our coffee from a local

2048
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 11: here in New Richmond, which we love, so we brew

2049
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 11: our own at home to try to save some money.

2050
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 11: But I will say Columbia is keeping a close eye

2051
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 11: on this, and I would say, you know from a

2052
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 11: serious note that if we were going to take action

2053
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 11: somewhere else, Columbia would likely be next.

2054
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 2: I think that's great, let's get that. And should a

2055
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 2: cup of coffee should not be more than a buck?

2056
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't care. And I'm factoring and of course for

2057
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 2: inflation and all that stuff. I know, a nickel back

2058
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 2: in the nineteen thirties when Willie was my age. You know,

2059
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 2: it's such a different thing now today dollars seems like

2060
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 2: maybe maybe I'd go up to probably two bucks, But man,

2061
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 2: after five for a cup of coffee is insane. Andy

2062
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 2: Schaefer here from all Worth Financial and simply money, a

2063
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 2: little money check this morning. I know the Fed met

2064
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 2: in December last year obviously too, and we again get

2065
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: to kick the tires every week on how the US

2066
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,560
Speaker 2: economy is doing overall. Despite the huge bump yesterday in

2067
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 2: the market's record dat on Wall Street, how are things

2068
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 2: overall now that we've had in the first month of

2069
01:37:58,040 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 2: the new year.

2070
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, So we received the minutes from the Federal Reserves

2071
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 11: the summer meeting, and it indicates that the FOMC saw

2072
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 11: the economy continuing to expand at a moderate pace. The

2073
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:11,839
Speaker 11: labor market is gradually cooling, you know, just like we've discussed,

2074
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 11: even though inflation has started to come down a little bit.

2075
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 11: You know, I think when you kind of look into

2076
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 11: some of the details of the minutes, you know, we're

2077
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 11: seeing that, you know, we are gradually coming back to

2078
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 11: the Fed's preferred inflation measure of two percent. Policymakers cited

2079
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,480
Speaker 11: higher tariffs as a key driver of core goods inflations,

2080
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 11: and so we're starting to get a little bit more

2081
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 11: clarity there.

2082
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:31,719
Speaker 9: Now.

2083
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 11: You know what does this all mean, Well, it means

2084
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 11: that the FED can start to pivot and start to

2085
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 11: attack the labor market a little better to make sure

2086
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 11: that it remains healthy. We are seeing some sticky inflation

2087
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 11: in other areas, particularly manufacturing. We received the ISM manufacturing

2088
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 11: data survey data yesterday which showed a little bit more

2089
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 11: cooling than what was expected, and most of those supply

2090
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 11: managers cited the fact that there is still uncertainty with

2091
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 11: teriffs and that's causing a lot of us within their markets.

2092
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 11: You know, we're gonna we receive the Ism Services data

2093
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 11: this morning. I have yet to kind of unpack that,

2094
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 11: but I think, you know, to kind of summarize all

2095
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 11: of this. You know, what we're looking at is that

2096
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 11: the FED feels pretty good about where we are. They

2097
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:18,640
Speaker 11: do think that the quarter percent cut will help the

2098
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 11: labor market moving forward over you know, into twenty twenty six,

2099
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 11: but you know, they are looking at other things. One

2100
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 11: of the one of the things that I thought was

2101
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 11: was very promising is that we continued, you to see

2102
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 11: housing prices come down a little bit. And I think

2103
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 11: the fact that we've cut rates over the last year

2104
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 11: and a half or so is starting to help the

2105
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 11: housing market a little bit better. What about inventory there, Yeah,

2106
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 11: so the inventory you know, is pretty stable. We're seeing

2107
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 11: inventory somewhere around fifty percent, you know, and getting back

2108
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 11: to the home sales, you know, that stronger than expected

2109
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 11: three point three percent in November. That's the four straight

2110
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 11: monthly increase in signal, you know, the incremental improvement heading

2111
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 11: into two thousand and twenty six. And so you know,

2112
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 11: we're starting to see some momentum there. And Scott, I

2113
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 11: don't know if you see it, you know, with with

2114
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 11: with you know, in your business have you Have you

2115
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 11: seen any type of effect there.

2116
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems pretty stady. It's tough around the holidays.

2117
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 2: A lot of people like to look, but not necessarily

2118
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 2: by at this point. So it seems like it you

2119
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 2: know that that you know, what's on the market is

2120
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 2: not moving it is. It has been over the last

2121
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 2: coming on maybe a year or two ago for sure.

2122
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, it seems like it's just starting to loosen up

2123
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 11: a little bit and and hopefully, you know, as the

2124
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 11: race continue to fall, it'll loosen up a little bit

2125
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 11: more and encourage people to really sell their homes. You know,

2126
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 11: that's the biggest issue that it's been, is that people

2127
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 11: have been reluctant to move out of their homes because

2128
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 11: they have good interest rates. And so does interest rates

2129
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 11: continue to fall, maybe that will encourage people to start

2130
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:38,639
Speaker 11: to move around and create some activity.

2131
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 2: It should, and of course more stock will we'll do

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Speaker 2: that as well. All right, So as we move ahead

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Speaker 2: to the next week, here, what numbers are we looking

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Speaker 2: at coming in?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so this week is going to be fairly interesting,

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Speaker 11: you know, and Wednesday we're going to get the ADP employment.

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Speaker 11: I have some services index as well job openings, but

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Speaker 11: really what we're looking at is Friday is kind of

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Speaker 11: the big day. That's when we get the all the

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Speaker 11: ployment numbers. We're going to get the unemployment rate, the

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Speaker 11: hourly wages, housing starts, et cetera. And then next week

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Speaker 11: is when we begin earning season, and so that will

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Speaker 11: ramp up. And that's always very telling about where we

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Speaker 11: are from an economic standpoint, to see how these companies

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Speaker 11: are performing, and not only the numbers that they come

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Speaker 11: out with, but also the guidance of how they feel

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Speaker 11: about their corporations moving forward into twenty twenty six and beyond.

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Speaker 2: As we are in the first week in the new year,

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Speaker 2: let's put your personal finance hat on for just a

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Speaker 2: second here, Andy Schaeffer, what should you be doing to

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Speaker 2: get rid? I know, tax Day obviously is going to

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Speaker 2: approach soon enough. A lot of people will wait till

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Speaker 2: last minute to get all their stuff together. That's a

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Speaker 2: factor and as well, but you know, looking through and

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Speaker 2: seeing what the new limits are for contributions and such. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you didn't do that over the break, now would

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Speaker 2: be a good time to do that.

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Speaker 6: What's that entail?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So, I mean there's a lot of things that

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Speaker 11: you want to keep an eye on You want to

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Speaker 11: make sure that you keep.

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Speaker 6: An eye on your income.

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Speaker 11: You know, if you're a retiree and you have a

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Speaker 11: certain amount of income coming from a traditional IRA or

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Speaker 11: a four to one K, you want to try to

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Speaker 11: make sure that you stay underneath IRMA limits. You also

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Speaker 11: want to make sure that you know your rmds are

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Speaker 11: taken care of. If you're the over the age of

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Speaker 11: seventy three, then you need to start taking your require

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Speaker 11: minimum distributions and a lot of times when people take

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Speaker 11: regular recurring distributions on a monthly basis, you want to

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Speaker 11: make sure that that exceeds the total amount for the year.

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Speaker 11: You also want to rebalance your portfolio and take a

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Speaker 11: look at that as well. You know, with the increase

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Speaker 11: that we've had in the market over the last three years,

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Speaker 11: if you have a target of let's say a sixty

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Speaker 11: forty portfolio organically, that can get out of whack a

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Speaker 11: little bit because of the surge that we've had in

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Speaker 11: equities to where maybe you're a little bit overbalanced, and

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Speaker 11: so you want to take a look at that and

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Speaker 11: also take make sure in an after tax account that

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Speaker 11: you manage your capital gains and try to limit those

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Speaker 11: as much as possible using tax loss harvesting. So there's

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Speaker 11: many things that you need to be looking at at

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Speaker 11: the beginning part of this year, and I would suggest

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Speaker 11: that you consult with your financial advisor to go over

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Speaker 11: some strategies you know that makes sense for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, especially if you get a little

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Speaker 2: bit older here too, and you start you know, there's

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Speaker 2: more years behind you that are in front of you.

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Speaker 2: It's very important to get all that stuff together, especially

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Speaker 2: if you're thinking about maybe retiring in the next year

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Speaker 2: or two.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, especially if you're starting to think about retiring and

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Speaker 11: in the next year too, you want to kind of

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Speaker 11: get you know, that your ducks in a row. To

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Speaker 11: make sure that you've communicated to your employer, You've talked

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Speaker 11: to HR, you've made decisions about what to do with

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Speaker 11: your four to one K, you've come up with a

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Speaker 11: distribution plan of what makes sense to continue to live

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Speaker 11: the life that you've been living while you had employment,

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Speaker 11: and overall to get a financial plan together. You know,

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Speaker 11: one of the things is to make sure you don't

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Speaker 11: run out of money. But if you have a financial

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Speaker 11: plan and you have some answers, maybe you can spend

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Speaker 11: more in retirement if you don't have specific legacy or

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Speaker 11: charity goals. And that's the fun part of my job

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Speaker 11: is you know, if the financial health of my client

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Speaker 11: is in place, I'm going to encourage them to spend

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Speaker 11: more and do more things and so that I can

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Speaker 11: vicariously live through them through their retirement. And that's one

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Speaker 11: of my favorite parts of my job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's pretty cool to make sure because you've

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Speaker 2: never had any client and all the what almost closer

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Speaker 2: to thirty years and that has to come out of retirement,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 11: No, I've had a few that haven't listened to my

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Speaker 11: advice that I have gone by.

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Speaker 9: The wayside, But I would say ninety.

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Speaker 6: Eight percent of them are having a blast right now.

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Speaker 2: If you follow the advice and you have a fight

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Speaker 2: out financial professional like Andy, they will guide you say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't happen because there's a certain fear you go, wow, okay,

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Speaker 2: now I'm going to retire, Especially if you retire early,

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Speaker 2: I got to worry about healthcare benefits and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: And you know, of course, if you've got that kind

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Speaker 2: of luck, you go, hey, you know, I've got two years,

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Speaker 2: so I can get Social Security and Medicaid things like that,

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Speaker 2: and then you get sick and it's a lot out

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Speaker 2: of pocket. So professional make sure that does not happen

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and again, and that's the key, and you and

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Speaker 11: everybody goes through it. You're not alone if you're near

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Speaker 11: retirement age and you're nervous about it. You know, everybody

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Speaker 11: goes through it because they're not used to having not

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Speaker 11: having an income and it's like, man, can I really

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Speaker 11: do this? And I think that's why it's important to

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Speaker 11: get it on paper, run some analysis on that because

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Speaker 11: for a lot of people they see better than they hear,

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Speaker 11: and it's important just to get the reassurance from your

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Speaker 11: financial advisor that you can actually do it and do

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Speaker 11: it comfortably.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're lucky enough right and planned ahead, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of luck is involved in that as well.

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Speaker 2: So it's foresight on your part. Andy Shaffer over all

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Speaker 2: Worth Financial there shows simply it's tonight. It's six o'clock

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Speaker 2: on fifty five KRC every weeknight for that matter. Drew,

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Speaker 2: thanks again, talk next week.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Scott, talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. I've got Willie standingby in just minutes and

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Speaker 2: news first here on the home of the Reds. Let's

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Speaker 2: switch at the Reds seven hundred WW Cincinnati