WEBVTT - 10-20-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.800 Do you want to be an American? 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:06.480 He's got a Plonge show on seven hundred WLW. So 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:08.640 we've got some breaking news to share with you this 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.879 morning about crime in Cincinnati. Robert Shaw has now been 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.400 charged in the murder with that drive by shooting. They 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:15.960 killed a thirty four old man by the name of 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.760 Justin Johnson right after Thursday night football. This is on 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:21.880 Sycamore in front of the in Between Tavern. Happened about 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.600 two am, so people are still downtown celebrating the Big 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:28.240 Bengals when Shaw was wearing an ankle monitor at the time. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.199 Does the story sound familiar? Sure? And the reason why 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.640 I was under a house arrest so to speak, was 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.839 carried concealed weapon, illegal gun possession and here he is 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.360 being held on that, being about to go and trial 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.600 on that, and now he's out there doing it again. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.480 So initially he was released on a twenty thousand dollars 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.720 bond with the electronic monitoring that was back in June. Also, 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.879 the suspect in the Fountain Square shooting last week has 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.680 turned himself in. Twenty four year old Shaquille Ferguson said 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.120 it's self defense because the people that he shot at 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.560 through the window of City Bird Chicken on Fountain Square 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.959 were actually armed themselves and pointing a gun at him. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.679 The only problem with that argument from Clyde Bennett is 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.160 that mister Ferguson was already on probation in July for 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.640 a violent crime, which means he's under disability and shouldn't 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.240 have had the gun that he shot the window out 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.640 and at the people the City Bird. So we're back 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:22.000 to this question. Is our probation and monitoring system completely 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.760 broken and beyond repair? On that is the honorable Betsy Sunderman, 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.120 She's a judge in Hamlin County, joining the show to 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.319 discuss here on seven hundred WLW. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.839 How are you good morning? 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:33.720 I'm great, how are you? 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.959 I'm doing final though you hear these stories, I'd love 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.600 to not be talking about violent crime in Cincinnati, but 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:40.920 you know, we have shoes dropping and now we know 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.240 the backgrounds of the individuals and jackets on Robert Shaw 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.280 and Shaquille Ferguson. You have two people yet again that 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.560 should not be armed by law, and yet there they are. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:56.240 Yeah, exactly, and if there's, if there are any issues 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.800 with probation monitoring right now, it is interesting for your 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:03.120 life listeners to know who is in charge of the 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.960 probation officers. It's the judges. The judges hire the probation 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:12.440 officers and make sure they're doing their jobs. So if 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.680 we're having issues with probation monitoring, I mean, I haven't 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.240 heard this issue before in the past. And it's interesting. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.600 Now we have a lot of Democrat judges who are 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.680 in charge of the probation department and that seems to 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.880 be the big change, and now we're not very happy 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.520 with probation monitoring. So, for example, about a month ago, 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:40.120 the Democrat majority of judges and Common Police Criminal Court 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.960 decided to get rid of some of these, well all 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:47.000 of the probation substations. So there used to be these 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.800 substations in the most violent neighborhoods and people who are 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.880 on probation could go meet with those probation officers there 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.760 and the probation officers could set up shop there and 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.840 they could visit people in their homes. But now the 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.639 Democrat judges have gotten rid of those and they said, well, 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:08.040 it's more efficient because now our probation officers can all 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:12.600 be downtown. Well that's true, maybe it's more efficient as 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.800 far as you know, they don't have to drive places, 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.520 but they're not able to monitor people. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.520 They're not in the community. So now they got it 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.640 a fire further to monitor the people instead of being 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:26.000 in the neighborhood. It'd be kind of like just having 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.079 one big police station district one as opposed to the 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.520 multi different districts in and around Cincinnati. For cops, you 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.520 put them where the people in the crimes are exactly. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.440 And if they're visiting people in their homes, then people 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.600 are picking up more violations when the probation officers are 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:47.040 seeing things in their home. So of course the stats 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:48.920 are going to show a year from now that there 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:53.400 are fewer probation violations. But that's because the monitor monitoring 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.720 is going to be subpar, and as we see the 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.440 monitoring get worse and worse, we're going to see people 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.920 out there offending. For example. I mean, I really can't 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.760 speak specifically to a case, but if there's a case 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.160 where someone, for example, is on the ankle monitor but 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.800 has privileges for something, sometimes it's hard to monitor those privileges. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.240 So like let's say I was on an ankle monitor 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.800 and I had privileges to go to work. Well, that's 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.599 easy because I work at one location, and I work 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.200 from the same time I start and the same time 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.080 I end every day. But a lot of people don't 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.200 have jobs like that. A lot of people, you know, 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:36.080 maybe they work construction, or they work at a hospital, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.280 or they work odd hours. And how do you monitor 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.960 someone when they always say, well, I was on my 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:43.400 way to a construction job. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.560 Or in the cases this is Betsy Sunderman ferguson the 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.800 Fountain Square shoot at Teddy Bird, this young man has 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.640 a two cases pending for aggravated assault, both with a 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:59.160 weapon specification. There he shot someone two days prior, allegedly 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.599 in Northside before or he shot the window out in 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.080 Fountain Square and shout at the people there, and yet 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.240 he was on probation from the other one saying, hey, listen, 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.960 as long as you're out looking for a job, it's fine. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.800 I don't know if that's a good idea. Turn your 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.960 application at City Bird and then turn around shoot their 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.520 window out, albeit not to shoot at the bird's window, 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.920 shoot the people in the bird. But still, I'm pretty sure, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.240 you know, if I'm doing the hiring that kind of 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:23.159 behaviors frowned upon. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.159 Yeah, I guess it depends what kind of job they're 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.760 trying to book, but it's unlikely that that would meet 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:29.719 the job description. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:30.040 Right. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.960 But by having these rules that seem really tough, but 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:39.280 then not enforcing them properly, this is the way that 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:44.200 the politicians can say we're combating crime but really doing nothing. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:50.000 For example, like the mayor and his juvenile curfew. Whenever 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.480 a juvenile either shoot someone or get shot, he says, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.880 we're gonna tighten up this curfew. But then if you 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.720 look at the actual rules of the juvenile curfew, if 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.200 a child is out, if someone under eighteen is out 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.320 and they say that they're on their way to work 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.960 or on their way home from work, you can't make 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.960 them go home, or you can't violate them for the curfew. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:17.560 If they say that they are exercising their First Amendment rights, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:22.760 which could be the freedom of speech, assembly, they could 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:27.679 freedom of the press, church, they're. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.200 On their way to church, Bessie when they shot that 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:30.960 person exactly. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.920 And then even if the kid says, you know, I'm 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:38.000 not I have no exceptions that fits, then the police 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.400 all they can do is say, you know, we'd really 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.800 like you to go home. And if the kid says no, 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.159 then they'd say, well, we'd really like you to go 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.279 to this, uh, this rec center, and if the kid 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.000 says no, they can't, they can't do anything. So it's 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.360 great that the mayor's on TV saying we're tightening up 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.400 this curfew. If if you're there and you're doing anything bad, 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.160 we're going to you. But it's just not playing out 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:02.600 like that. 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.800 All right. Betsy Sunderman, Judge Sunderman is here on the show, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.040 and we're talking about probation and monitoring systems. Are they 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.520 broken beyond repair? Robert Shaw, that was the man who's 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.760 now been charged the drive by shooting. They killed thirty 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.320 fear old Justin Johnson after Thursday night football right right 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.400 near the in between tavern on Thursday night Friday morning. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.040 He was already out on a lot. He was wearing 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.520 the ankle monitor at the time he shot the individual 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.600 in the car. Justin Johnson form what I understand. People 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.440 I know knew this guy and said, yeah, he's a professional, 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:34.760 you know, seemed to be an upstanding guy who I 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.040 don't know why he and Robert Shaw got into a 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:38.920 beef and what was over. We don't know that. But 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.240 the background is not Justin Johnson is not a street criminal. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.120 He's a professional, or was a professional before he was 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.920 murdered in the Shaquille Ferguson shooting at City Bird Chicken. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.440 He was armed again, had priors, who's out on probation 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.360 for a violent crime, and he shot the window out 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.600 and trying to shoot at the people inside City Bird. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.800 His attorney, Clyde Bennett cleim self defense. We'll see about that. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:01.680 I do I'm not quite sure how that works within 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.920 the law. If you're prohibited from having a weapon because 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.920 you're on probation and you shoot at someone, I'm not 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:08.880 quite sure that that is going to it's it's not 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.240 like offsetting penalties in the NFL. And then you play 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:15.200 it over in that regard to Betsy's sentiment though, and 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.160 I think it's interesting in pointing out, because we've talked 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.120 about the problem in its progressivism in Cincinnati, that that 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.600 that's fueling this it's because we want to hands off 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.440 no bail policy and we want to be kindler and 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.000 gentlemen to people who are suspected at crimes because their 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.280 life is already difficult, and well, it just gives the 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.720 sociopaths out there more license to do stuff like this. 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.480 I will point out, however, in both those cases in 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.880 Sean Ferguson, those are both conservative Republican judges that ordered 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.240 them on monitoring, and that would be Judge dink Locker 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.520 and Judge Ruleman. Does that change the math a little 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:45.839 bit on. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.599 This, well, I'll tell you those are two of the 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:54.480 judges who give the biggest bombs. So without being able 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.240 to talk to I can't call them and ask them 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.680 about the case and then talk about it on the videos, 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:03.480 right right, But I would trust that those judges would 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:08.640 set appropriate bonds. There's a trifecta that kind of effects 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.680 every time someone's upset about someone being on parole or 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.560 probation and being out there and committing crimes. There's a 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.839 trifecta that affects all this. There's the police, there's a 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:24.280 probation department, and the judges. So the police are controlled by, 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.040 of course the police chief, who is controlled by the 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.920 city manager, who is ultimately controlled by the mayor. So 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.880 the police department is controlled by the mayor. And then 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:38.240 we have probation, which I already told you is controlled 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:42.439 by the judges, the now liberal Democrat judges. And then 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.600 we have the judges themselves, which are now a majority 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:51.720 Democrat liberal judges. So basically the two groups that are 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.560 controlling all this is the mayor, the city manager, the 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:59.200 city administration, and the liberal judges. So if we're seeing 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.760 a big change, those are the big changes. Of course, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.800 we've had a Democrat mayor for probably fifty years, right, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.320 but the way the mayor is affecting the police department 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:16.400 is different than ever before. And then all having a 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.960 majority liberal, progressive Democrat judges is new for us in 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:21.679 Hamilton County. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.360 Look look look at it. Look at how the mayor's 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.000 office impacted the brawl, and that he was demanding that 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.000 the white guy be charged because he's a white guy. 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.719 We've got to balance things out racially. Apparently, if yourest 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.000 a personal caller, you got aggressed a white guy, even 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.760 though he was the victim. Clearly this whole thing, and 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.920 no one wanted to write that citation and unfortunately made 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.760 a captain down at the Central Business dictor do it 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.440 who wasn't even on the scene. To show you how 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:49.520 politically motivated those charges were. Just to appease the vocal 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.439 contingent of folks in the community who were screaming about 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.760 restorative justice, which is which is a farce. But relative 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.200 to Robert Shaw, I don't know. This may be a 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:00.600 tough question. You can either answered. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:00.800 You can. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.280 I understand you have a canon of ethics you have 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.240 to abide by. You can't criticize other judges. But in 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.840 the shawcase, this is a drive by from Thursday night 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.839 football in from of the in between that was under 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.320 Judge Dinkelocker. The guy Robert Shaw was on a twenty 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.600 thousand dollars bond with electronic monitoring and this was from 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.880 a case back in June. His his jacket is this 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.000 nineteen ninety eight six months in prison for coke possession, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.960 two thousand and three six months for concealed weapon, illegal guns, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.520 receiving Spoiling Property RSP. And then twenty eleven and then 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.920 again in twenty fifteen he did prison time for illegal 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.280 gun possession. He got twenty thousand dollars bond, an electronic 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.280 monitor ringing out and murdered someone while he was wearing 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:43.920 the ankle monitor. What would you prescribe what would you 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.400 prescribe as a punishment for Robert Shaw? If we're in 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:50.360 front of you, let's say, and he was already out 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.439 on bond for another shooting. How many more times do 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.400 you give someone a chance to get out on bond 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:56.920 even though they have priors involving a weapon, because it 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.560 tells me they're probably just going to do something with 0:11:58.600 --> 0:11:58.839 a gun. 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.560 Again, Yeah, I mean, what do you I mean, what 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.480 do you do with someone who clearly is never going 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:05.360 to put down a gun? 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:05.640 Right? 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.439 I mean, this guy, it sounds like he's been in 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.880 prison quite a few times for having guns. He just 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.600 keeps he just keeps picking up a. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:13.160 Gun, right. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.120 I mean, again, I can't speak to this exact case, 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:23.720 but I do trust judge take a locker and if 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.800 he set that bond, I mean, I don't know, I 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.160 don't know. I can't really speak to a specific case. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:30.680 Well, what were you front? 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:31.760 What would you done? 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:32.040 Now? 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:33.880 Again, you have the hindsight that this guy's going to 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.040 murder someone over apparently it's just a beef. It doesn't 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.760 look like they knew each other at this point. We'll 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.120 find out. But what And you can't look in the 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:42.640 crystal ball and say, well, he's going to go out 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.760 murder someone. You don't know that, because there are probably 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.800 countless people are in the situation that going out and 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.280 do it. But we're talking about stopping this from happening 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.040 in the first place. Should we just say, hey, listen, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:52.600 you already had a gun. Speck you go right to 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:54.520 You're going to hold you and you're not going to 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.280 get out, and you're not gonna be able to walk around. 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.160 And you decide to do something stupid with a gun 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.320 and you shouldn't have a gun. You're going to sit 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.400 in jail until your trial. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.080 Yeah, well, I mean I would want to look at 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:09.160 his pre trial services sheet. So every single person who's 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.440 arrested and put into the jail and has an arraignment 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.760 the next morning in front of a judge, a municipal 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:20.080 judge and pre trial services interviews the person and sees 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.520 if they're a flight risk, sees how much money they 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.520 could afford for a bond. They ask them a million 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:31.160 different questions about drugs and guns and family members and 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.880 community ties and do they have a job, that kind 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.199 of stuff. And the judge is able to look at 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:41.080 that sheet. The prosecutor is not able to look. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:41.559 At that sheet. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.839 I know that because I used to work in that courtroom. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.400 One thing that we could do is we could give 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:50.960 everyone access to that information. That might be very helpful. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.479 I'm sure some of the new prosecutors have different strategies 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.640 than when I was a prosecutor there because now they 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:58.600 have a different boss. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.120 So I don't know. 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:06.760 I mean, giving everyone maximum information and maybe giving the 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.480 media more information. I know the media doesn't see those 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.199 pre trial services sheets. I'm not saying those should be 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:17.280 turned over to the media, but usually that docket is 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:22.480 very rapid, and the media kind of leaves confused, like, well, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.480 why did one person get a low bond and one 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:29.320 person get a high bond? Right, So maybe making some 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:30.840 of that more accessible. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.680 Why isn't I shared with the prosecutor if anyone else. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:37.120 Yeah, I don't know. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:38.960 It's a good question. I don't know. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.000 I should know that, but then. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.040 It should be shared with the defense attorney. If you 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.280 can't share something just with a prosecutor and not the 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.600 defense attorneys discovery, I don't know, maybe there's no time. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:53.160 I mean it's a very quick docket. I mean, it's 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.480 probably not as quick as it used to be because 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.280 we not as many people are arrested because there aren't 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.320 that many people in our jail anymore. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:06.040 But what I remember wasn't long ago under Sheriff Simon LEAs, 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.160 and I know he's revered this community. I think there's 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.480 something he did was way overreaching. I mean, you know, 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.400 but he was tough on crime for sure. And I 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.640 remember having discussions about we need a bigger jail, we 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.840 need more jail space because we can't house all the people. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.040 You don't hear that conversation anymore, and that was, like, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.280 you know, fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, it's simply 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:25.960 because we're not holding people anymore. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:27.160 Right. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.800 Twenty years ago, sy Lease used to meet with all 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.760 the judges and say, listen, we are bursting at the themes. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.560 I'm going to have to create some new work details 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.080 and things so we can let the least violent people 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.200 out earlier. And the judges would respond, you know, do 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:46.840 what you need to do. We're going to do what 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.760 we need to do. You know, we're not going to 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.040 change our sentences. But you know, if you don't have room, 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.240 you got to do what you need to do. I 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.320 can't imagine that conversation is happening now where the sheriff 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:01.640 is saying we don't have any room, never here, right. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.800 But even if we did try to arrest another two 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.520 hundred people to fill up the jail. We don't have 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:14.120 sheriff's deputies, we don't have enough corrections officers. Police officers 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.360 have told me when they arrest juveniles now and they 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.480 bring them to juvenile jail at twenty twenty, we call 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:25.160 it twenty twenty. Auburn Avenue that most often twenty twenty 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.200 just says we're not going to keep them. We just 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:28.320 don't have enough employees. 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.800 We just can't keep them. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.840 Yeah, well, I don't know. Is it a policy issue? 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:39.280 Is it a staffing issue? Is it people are vilifying 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.040 police correction officers and then no one wants to do it, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:48.760 and then that's fulfill the plan to be understaffed and 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.160 to not be able to lock people up. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.040 I don't know. If you look at the climate and 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.680 CPD right now, we've got a huge number officers retiring, 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:56.760 even at early ages because they can't stand all the 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.920 politics and the bs and what the mayor's office and 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.200 how much control they have and how their hands are 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:02.600 tied in a lot of cases, and they go to 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.000 a suburban office or trying to do a latter recruiting, 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.439 and I understand it's difficult because people go, well, the 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.600 money's good. But you know what, on the job in Cincinnati, 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.000 I'd rather stay where I am. It's not attractive to 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.240 them because the climate created by the political ecosystem in 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.000 Hamlin County, but specifically in the city of Cincinnati. She 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.320 is a judge, Betsy Senderman, who's running for office this cycle. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.080 Will know in a couple of weeks if she wins. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:30.280 But it's it's a tough job. But we've got to 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.840 reform this system because ankle monitor the grant and there 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.040 are probably thousands and thousands of people out there that 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:37.840 abide by the terms of the deal they made with 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:39.360 the judge and are trying to do the right thing. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.720 But how do we segregate the most violent people? And 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.159 I'd say, if you have a gun specification history of 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.840 priors with guns like this Robert schaugu I did, then 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.879 I don't understand why we're giving you house arrest essentially 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:51.760 because chances are you're going to break it. I think, 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.960 if it's a gun speck, we already have laws in 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.240 the books. Let's enforce federal law that if you're prohibited 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.160 because of a felony prior felony from owning a fire, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.440 are possessing a firearm. Then you go to jail right 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.720 away and there is no release, there is no ankle 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.120 monitoring going on, because you're a menace to society. Betsy Syderban, 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.240 I always appreciate the time and the insight. Thanks again. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:11.200 You have a wonderful day. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.560 Judge Clownix, I like it. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.240 No, I'm not going back to school. You ain't gonna 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.560 get me there. Hell no, I'm not taking out more 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.600 student loans. I'm I'm on the wrong side of fifty 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.080 and I just finished paying mine off. Betsy, Oh the best, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.240 take care, see you later. All right. We got a 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.040 news update coming in momentarily and we'll chop it up 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.600 next about what you just shared here. Surprise surprise, guys 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.320 out on ankle monitors and house arrest and they're out 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.679 shooting people. This is what this is. This is the 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.120 government we deserve because we elected them seven hundred w 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:52.000 well them, Scott flu Shows under wold them. So I'm 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.360 coming off of this foot surgery thing with my ruptured 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.639 perineal tendon that they had to sew back to my foot. 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.560 I've been barely walking around motion somewhere on that because 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.560 I'm stupid. That's why, why, why when't you get that 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.720 fixed right? Because I'm dumb. Pain is my business. I 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.160 embraised pain like a second cup of coffee. Just dumb 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.000 is what it is. So I got the boot out. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.280 I've got the walking with that scooter. You put your 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.119 knee on, your roll around. It's got a little basket 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:18.840 on the front of it. Could put bourbon and snacks 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:19.639 in there. It's nice. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:20.840 Uh. 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:22.920 And then the you know, the walking booth, the soft 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.880 cast and then crutches of course too, and so anything 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:27.600 takes a lot longer to run down the hall a 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:29.880 second to grab something I've forgotten, Like, I just can't 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.200 walk there. I have to hobble there, tiny Tim on 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:37.080 his crutches. And uh, you know, of all the great 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.680 medical advances we've had, and we have medical advances coming 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.040 out day to day. I mean it's incredible. Always make 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.399 fun of the you know, the prescription ads on TV. 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.600 A bunch of fat, happy people dancing around at a 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.200 flea market somewhere outdoor festivals, singing about something or another. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:56.920 I know it's making them so happy enough to sing. 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.879 Whatever illness it is they have. I have no idea, 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.960 but they seem rather happy and whatever it is, they're 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:04.720 trying to sell you to ask your doctor about You 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:06.439 have no idea what it does, what it's for, But 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.320 damn it, I gotta write that down because the jingle's catchy, 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.720 and those people that are dancing look very happy. I 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:14.719 need me some happy joy juice, if you know what 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.880 I mean. So we have all these modern miracle all 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.520 these inventions. Now you're fat. We've got GLP one. Now 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.840 I get an injection thirty five pounds. Like it's nothing, 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:29.000 isn't it? Great? Technology solves everything? But there's one area 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.879 that we have not addressed. Where's one area that seems 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.119 to be like this? Somebody can make billions of dollars. 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:39.240 They came up with an alternative to crutches. Crutches have 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.000 been around forever the Civil War veterans. You know you 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.119 got you gotta a scratch air in your leg and 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.000 one of that doctor comes in and cuts your leg off. 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.000 As there's all you don't want the gang green absolutly bad. 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:49.959 We're gonna cut your leg off. Here, bite this bullet 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.479 and we're gonna cut your leg off with no anesthetic whatsoever. Okay, Um, 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.040 it's still the same technology. It still somebody goes into 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.040 your armpit helps you well, look like all these years, 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:04.480 you think they would have come up with an alternative, 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:07.359 a better solution than crutches. And the crutch that I have, 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.159 it's aluminum. It's got a little rubbery thing at the 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.159 top and a grap certainly like the wooden ones they 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.840 had handed out back during the Civil War. But it's 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.040 the same design. And I don't care how much foam 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.800 you put under your armpit. It your armpits wearing a myre. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.000 I've worn up by any of that armpit replacement at 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:28.360 this point, and it's only been five weeks. But there 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:32.560 is something that really needs to be reimagined and rediscovered. 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.480 And I know we have walkers now, and there's the 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.000 canes with the tripod with the tennis balls on it. Man, 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:39.840 it's still a cane. I get it. And I have 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:41.440 you have one of those knee scooters you rolled on 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.320 a nees scooter, but the knee scooter. I'm driving myself 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:45.800 now and I got to take my boot off getting 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:47.960 the car, and it's getting the scooter out. I barely 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.399 get the crutches out let alone. A fifty pounds scooter. 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.440 It's nice, it's just not portable. It's just not easy. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:55.879 There's got to be a better Somebody need to be 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:57.720 working on that. If you want to make a lot 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.560 of money. DME is a cab, a very durable medical 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.399 equipment because the up charge with the chargers things a 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.760 small fortune. But the crutch has been around for hundreds 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.159 of years. That's something that somebody needs to look at 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:13.359 and go, can we make a better version of Can 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:16.320 we do something to make it easier unless wear and 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.200 tearing your armpits and your wrists than the good old crutch? 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.280 Just some low hanging fruit there for somebody who is 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.600 aggressive and smart and an engineer type. You want to 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:31.320 make some money, think about redoing the crutch the crutch. 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:35.040 I just had the honorable Betsy Sunderman on the show 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.200 on seven hundred WLW the latest on the downtown violence. 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:39.960 And you know it wouldn't be a Monday if we 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:44.600 didn't wake up and talk about more downtown violence. In 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.520 the two cases in particular here Robert Shaw the one 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:49.680 charge in the drive by shooting that killed a thirty 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:51.639 four old man by the name of Justin Johnson right 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.000 after Thursday night football and Sycamore Street by the way 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.400 near the in between. I guess that would be this 0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:00.880 guy was wearing an ankle monitor. He ran an ankle monitor, 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.240 not on twenty thousand dollars bond, by the way, because 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:07.000 he was carrying concealed weapon and illegal gun possession. The 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.040 shooting at Fountain Square involving twenty year old Shaukill Ferguson. 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.480 This is the thick guy who fired the shots into 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:15.520 the window of Ceedybird Chicken now claims it was He's 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.680 turned himself in by the way at the behest to 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.560 Clyde Bennett, his attorney, and Clyde Bennett is pulling the 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.560 it was self defense. The people who shot through the 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.280 window of Ceedybird Chicken were actually armed and pointing a 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.720 gun at him. He said. The video hasn't be released 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.800 because it's part of a political cover up. They don't 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.800 want you to hear this. Now other things in Cincinnati, 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.639 the way progressive politics are, is it the one that 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:38.960 you wouldn't release that video? Why to make this guy 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.760 look bad, to advance the narrative that violence is running 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.520 rampant in downtown and Fountain Square. Now you do the 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:48.879 exact opposite. It doesn't make much sense. And not only that, 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:50.199 I don't know how you can get away with a 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:54.879 self defense argument when in fact your client is in 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:56.560 possession of a gun he shouldn't had in the first 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.359 place because he was on probation in July for a 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:03.679 violent crime. So I think the bigger question, in addition 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:05.520 to the fact that the two judges in the Shaw 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.280 and the Ferguson case are both Republicans and dinkele Locker enrollment, 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.880 is that the system itself is broken. It doesn't work 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.080 because if you know, you can say I'm going to 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:16.560 go find a job, I'm going to do this, I'm 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:18.960 going to report to my probation officer. And we've seen 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:24.720 countless people, countless people who marchai Black. For example, with 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.359 the murder of Patrick Herringer, you know, shouldn't have been 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:30.480 out and airy was community control, cut the ankle monitor off, 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.960 we got a murder, and it's been a steady drum 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.200 beat to that all summer. I was doing a little 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.280 bit more looking in research and in some states they've 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.600 actually addressed this issue. In some states now in areas 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.040 actually they're cracking down and saying, you know what, we 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.040 got to get tougher when it comes to people who 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:47.200 violate while wearing ankle monitor, or make it tougher for 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.399 someone to qualify to wear the ankle monitor. If you 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:52.440 look at the grand scheme, the number of people who 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.520 are on quote unquote house arrest in Hamlin County, it's 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:58.840 in the tens of thousands. But in that regard that 0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:01.679 it's just a few of them who are violating and 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.840 getting out and committing more crimes while they're allegedly on 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:08.199 house arrest. So that's not lost on me, but there is. 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.840 And these aren't exactly conservative hotbeds either. Washington, d C. 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:17.560 New Mexico, Florida is one of them. Florida implemented stricter 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.800 criteria for pro trial detention. I think the one that 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.879 to me carries a lot of weight here and looking 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.960 at what's going on in Florida, for example, that it's 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.160 a house build that I don't know it's past yet. 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:32.879 But anyway, if you're in being held for dangerous crime, 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.560 for first degree fela in his heart, which should be 0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:40.120 capital murder, life felonies, dangerous crimes, things like that, if 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.840 you're arrested for a dangerous crime, that's a capital felony, 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.560 life felony of first degree felony the state has to 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:49.119 file a motion for pro prile detention, and so the 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.399 court has to find what they call substantial probability that 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.360 they committed the offense, and not only he said, she said, 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.600 but pretty clear evidence this person is the right person. 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.960 And if that's the case, you get no release whatsoever 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.440 because of well, what we're talking about here. You can't 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.200 have non monetary release, which is the no Bell thing, 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:12.800 but the discretion about electronic monitoring. You have to have 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:14.879 monetary bonds. You have to have a lot of cash 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.159 put down, which most of them can't afford. So it's 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.520 a strict one that mandates detention for serious crimes and 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:25.280 eliminates the option of cash. No cash bail eliminates that. 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:28.600 I think that's a step in the right direction. I 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:31.919 think that's something we need here in Ohio and specifically 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.240 Cincinnati address what we're talking about here. I can't speak 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.160 for Cleveland and Columbus and other cities. I can speak 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:40.600 for Cincinnati, and the idea is that these people who 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:42.840 are arrested and have long histories. Is the case of 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:45.840 mister Shaw, which is the guy who murdered the person 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.320 on Thursday night football. After Thursday Night Football, the in 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:52.119 between sitting in his car. Is this guy had a 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:55.520 lot of priors, you know, six months for cocaine back 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.240 in the nineties, in two thousand and three, six months 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:01.119 for a concealed weapon and illegal unpossessioned because of the 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.040 cocaine would prohibit him from having or looking at or 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:05.680 thinking about a gun at any time in his life. 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.360 And then in twenty eleven and twenty fifteen he did 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.360 more time for legal gun possession. You got the coke possession, 0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.680 You went to prison for that, then he got out, 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:15.560 and then within a few months of that, you had 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:19.200 a concealed weapon on you, okay, And then he did 0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:21.120 time for that, then he got out, and a few 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:23.520 years went by, and then within four year period you 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.520 did it twice. I don't know. To me, if you 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:29.720 had three priors where you had a weapon under disutability, 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.040 why the hell are we giving anyone who is like that, 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.520 even if it's a high bond electronic monitoring in the 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:40.880 first place, It just to me, they seem extremely dangerous. 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:40.960 Now. 0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.320 I understand right to a speedy trial and that I 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.520 get that, but maybe making the bond about higher, I 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.639 don't know if that would have stopped anything, but probably not. 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:49.080 Hell. 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.800 It tells me a lot when you are you have 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:53.840 the ankle monitor on you, you're not even cutting it off. 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.119 You're out there shooting people while you got the ankle 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.679 monitor on. Not particularly bright. It's going to send you 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:01.639 back to prison, but probably back to prison for a 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:03.960 few years ago, back out, and you know what, you'll 0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:07.199 do it again. It's like Joe Peshian Casino, I'm stupid 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:11.160 that way. Prison is my business. Apparently business is good. 0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:15.160 I guess other states like New Mexico and in Washington 0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:17.920 do things similar to this. Not as extremists is in Florida. 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:19.840 But you can make a case look at that, going 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:24.080 why are we releasing these people who have have gun priors? 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.200 And then you hear folks like my friend Anna Alby 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:28.200 who was on last week talking about how we need 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.400 stricter gunlle, we need tougher gun laws. No we don't. 0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:35.000 If I'm sorry, if you got busted for distributing cocaine, 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.640 possession with an intent to distribute, distributing cocaine, you got 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.640 to prison for that, that's felling, which means a lot 0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:42.840 of things, but primarily the big one is you're not 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:46.000 allowed to have a gun. In your possession. Okay, it 0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:49.680 ends right there, there's no I'm sorry there. What tougher 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:50.560 gun law do you need? 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:50.880 Then? 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.520 The bad guys, if you're convicted of felony, you can't 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.360 have a gun, And we have countless people as a 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.040 matter of fact, all the people just about it. I 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.160 think all of the people that we've talked about involving 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:03.000 these crimes that have given Fountain Square in particularly the 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.120 Central Business District and Cincinnati black eye, all of them, 0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:11.880 I don't think, without exception, have had prior felonies that 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:16.240 would prohibit them from possessing a firearm. That seems like 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:20.560 a pretty tough law. Making more laws isn't going to 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:22.880 stop that. We have a law that says, well, you're 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.400 on house arrest and you're on on bond, you can't 0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.000 do the things you're doing. And yet people with the 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:32.440 monitor on are killing people. That's a pretty strict control. 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.160 I would think, I don't care what the court says. 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.840 I don't care what I signed my life away, and 0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:38.880 I don't care that I struck a deal. I don't care. 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.000 All he care is about immediate gratification. And God only knows. 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:44.760 Because we're starting to hear more and more come out 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.920 about the thirty four year old man who is murdered 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.320 on Thursday, well Friday morning, Thursday night, right after football 0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:55.280 and Sycamore. And this guy, I guess was a professional 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:57.960 in some capacity. It wasn't like he was another street thug, 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.480 probably with what happened with Shaquille Fergus in a city 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:02.280 Bird that he saw other street thugs out there, and 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:04.600 they street thugs kill each other. You want to kill 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.080 each other, do it in an area where there's no 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:09.880 one around, don't do it on Fountain Square. But in 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:13.400 the case of mister Shaw, Robert Shaw, I don't know 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.520 if it was a beef that spilled over from during 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.080 the game or maybe the in between or parking our 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.920 argument of our stupid stuff. But that's the problem with 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:22.720 this is you get an argument with someone you don't 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:24.600 know if their sociopaths there are gonna pull out and 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.720 gun and kill you over a parking spot or dispute 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.880 or dirty look or something that was misinterpreted or whatever 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.280 it might be. You know, the whole I was disrespected. 0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:37.160 I get to disrespected daily. That's called being an adult. 0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:40.280 Just full of indiscretions and of course and things that 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:41.960 just bring you down a few notches. It happened to 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.680 you every day. It's called humility. Settling that with a 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.320 firearm is part of the big problem. But that's what 0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.880 happened with Robert Shaw anyway, So we'll find out the 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:51.800 details of that case. It comes a little bit more 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.800 forward Scott's Loan show here on seven hundred WLW been 0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:58.320 talking a lot about healthcare. Brad Winstrip, of course, served 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.720 in Congress. He is a physician, great guy to talk 0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.000 to you about this. I've talked for a while about 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.120 how I disagree with the plan. The Democrats plan for 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.440 healthcare is, well, we'll just take more hard earned taxpayer 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.760 of dollars and subsidize the unaffordable healthcare and call it 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:14.960 the Affordable Care Act. That's not really a solution. That's 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.480 a band aid. I think we can all a comree that. 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.240 And when you put in that context, which is accurate, 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.719 it's a band aid, Like, well, yeah, I get that. 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.240 I also get the fact that the people who not all, 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:27.800 but most of them are going to get squeezed on 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.880 this are folks who can't afford healthcare. So all of 0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:32.160 a sudden you look at it and go, we're an 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.920 open enrollment season, and now I may not wind up 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:38.600 getting those subsidies. And how am I going to afford healthcare? 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:41.000 I've got a wife, I got a kid, I work 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:42.800 two three jobs, none of them off for health care. 0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.080 I got to buy it on the market. How am 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.440 I going to afford that? I can't afford that? And 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:50.040 that's a real scare for people. That's the reality of it. Now, 0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:53.520 then you know the politics aside we've got a broken 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.520 system is this makes it worse because we just continue 0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.760 to bankrupt America because we're as you know, every time 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.240 you subsidize something, it doesn't make it cheaper or affordable. 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.400 It masks the costs and makes it more inaccessible. It 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.080 drives a deficit up and costs more. College should be 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.480 a great parallel to that. College should be relatively cheap. 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.400 It's all of the incentives and carabouts and seticides and 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.280 grants and money and Funey and the federal government's involved. 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:19.840 We've got to make it more affordable. And the more 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.920 Democrats screen about college not being affordable and out of reach, 0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:24.400 and we've got to do something about it. We got 0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:26.680 to aleviate debt. Well, someone picks up the tab for that. Debt. 0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:29.920 Probably a lot of the people who can't afford healthcare 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.600 go well, I have no choice. My taxes are there, 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:34.120 and I have to pay taxes, and that's going to 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.480 go to fund student debt relief. Student loans cost so 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.400 much money, and college is too expensive because it's inflated 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.880 by subsidy, just like healthcare and a lot of other 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.280 things in America, there's the core of the problem. Subsidy 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.400 is what drives the cost up, makes it harder, makes 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.720 compliance harder because of government rules and agencies. And you've 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.600 got to hire as a physician a bunch of people 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.840 behind the scenes just to work with Medicare, Medicaid and 0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:00.280 the insurance company is another factor. It's a nice mare 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.440 for folks. How do we fix that system? Well, I 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.840 know what Democrats are doing. What are Republicans offer? And 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.360 I said for a long time Democrats, I don't think 0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:10.360 it's a plan. I think it's a patch. But at 0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:13.280 least it's something. And it's the only issue when you 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:18.200 pull Americans that has a higher favorability than the Republicans 0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.040 doing that. Everything else Democrats are underwater. I mean think 0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.680 Republicans got problems. Democrats got some real problems. They don't 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.320 have any answers, they have no standard. They're directionalists, they're 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:29.160 twisted in the wind. They've got one thing, and it's healthcare, 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.320 which is why the government shut down. Could shut it 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:33.360 down over a whole bunch of different things, but healthcare 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:37.640 is one issue that most Americans have. Majority Americans go, yeah, 0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:40.320 Democrats got a better idea, which is really not a 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.520 better it's just an idea. It's a patch. And then 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.120 that regard, I don't see Republicans happen much, if anything. 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:48.560 But what are Republicans have to offer? I've been saying 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:50.480 that for a while. Brad WINSTERP was listening. He said, 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.760 you know what, we've got the plan here. Let me 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.800 share with you what the GOP thinks is the path forward. 0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.360 And I'll hear that coming up in just a few minutes. 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:00.840 Here to the show. On seven hundred WW on a 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.520 beautiful Monday mornings, we get back at the heavy rain 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:05.880 yesterday and wind, My god, the wind was crazy yesterday. 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:07.880 It was like Wizard of Oz, like the flags were 0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.399 completely bending in the breeze. We got tons of rain, 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:13.680 which we desperately needed, and now we get a few 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:15.640 days of drier air. But the cold air has moved in. 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.719 We have gone from summer to officially winter here in Cincinnati. 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:20.040 When you got out in the morning and go, man, 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:22.280 I can see my breath. And just the other day 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.640 there was steam rising up from the rising roup from 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:28.480 the pavement because of the heat. It's like, yeah, that's 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:30.719 that sinsy. You don't like the weather. Hang on a 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:33.000 couple days. It's going to change, probably in a couple hours, 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:36.080 for that matter. So more to that cold part. As 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:39.279 we head towards fall, late fall, and then winter. We'll 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.719 be here before you know it. So it's a Monday 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:43.839 morning on a Scot's Loan show on seven hundred w 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.120 WELW at five, three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hundred 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.200 the Big One talk back on the Art radio app 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.000 here till noon and then a Willie takes over. Not 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:52.440 sure what he has yet today, but we got lots 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.120 of stuff to cover. As I said, brad winstrips on 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.279 the way. Next, it's also Mental Health Monday with Juliettashare 0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:57.880 at the bottom of the next hour. Hang on for 0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.880 more slowly on seven hundred w WELD Do you want. 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.600 To be an American idiot? Slow me? 0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:07.239 On seven hundred WLW Welcome back. It's day nineteen at 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:11.239 the government check down, I believe nineteen today, and when 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.560 Senators returned to Camp holl by the way today, we're 0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.680 all informed, including staffers last week, they're not going to 0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:21.239 get their October twentieth paychecks. So no paychecks today, and 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.120 I can be paid for the remainder of the shutdown 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.080 on the I guess fixing this whole thing in the 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:31.640 deep seated political but most I think they're right in 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:34.680 this thing. That's frustrating. Greg Landsman chimed it on this 0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:38.120 making hay and saying, some nearly eighty percent of Americans, Democrats, 0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:42.280 Republicans independence want the Affordable Care Act tax credits extended. 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.400 That's what this is all about. So you know DEM's 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:46.200 want more the same, more subsidies. But I have a 0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:48.520 questioned for all. Okay, well, we know what Democrats want 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:52.160 and it's not sustainable. What do Republicans want? That's a 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.439 really good question, and on that is former US Representative 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:57.680 brad Winstrip Welcome back. How are you. 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.320 I'm doing okay, I'm doing okay. 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.400 I'd be with you. All right, it's Monday that it 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.200 takes a while for the tongue to get going here. 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.360 I have the thoughts it's trying to articulate them on 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.480 a Monday morning. But nonetheless, the GOP pushes a narrative 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.280 I've stamped about and right now it's about okay, illegal 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.239 aliens and wow, this is about fattening insurers, which is 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.200 which is true? I mean, you know this is going 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.920 to make insurers a lot more rich. But the takeaway 0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:24.480 for most people, Brad as simple as a practitioner, doctor yourself. 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:26.560 Millions of Americans are going to have to pay a 0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:28.800 lot more for their healthcare if Congress doesn't act. You know, 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.279 we're an open enrollment right now. Annual healthcare costs in 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.799 the US are about thirteen four hundred dollars per person 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.480 on estimate. Working people just simply can't afford that. And 0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:40.279 I get that the idea of taking money from Pile 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:43.360 A and moving to Pile B, it doesn't make things affordable. 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:45.560 It makes it more expensive. It's just someone else's paying 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.160 for it, that's the problem. But that's something, and I 0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.759 think something that working people can hang their hat on. 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.600 What are the Republicans offer? I need, we need a plan? 0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:58.360 Yeah, Well, I mean, first of all, you're asking a 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.200 lot of the taxpayers not like this money's just out 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:03.520 there and going, oh, here you go. And you're right 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.600 about the part where the insurance companies are the ones 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.239 that are benefiting because with the Affordable Care Act, you 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.440 have so many things that are mandated in the coverage 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:14.960 and therefore it costs more and then they jack up 0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:17.759 the price. But you know what actually was done is 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:23.200 money that was taken from the savings supposedly from reducing 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:27.719 the cost of drugs under Medicare by negotiation quote unquote, 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:31.279 that savings was then gone to subsidies for the Affordable 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.560 Care Act. None of this makes any sense. We have 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.200 a bigger problem when it comes to healthcare and when 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:39.800 we talk about it in Washington. In Washington, you mentioned healthcare, 0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:42.640 and everybody immediately start to talk about Medicare, Medicaid, the 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.279 Affordable Care Act and Blue Cross, Blue Shield, etc. 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:46.680 Etc. 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:48.960 But they really don't talk about health. Do you really 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:52.000 hear anybody talking about health or are they just talking 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:55.359 about a plan. And you know, so what Republicans had 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.800 done we put together what was called the Healthy Futures 0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:02.319 Task Force. Our doctors TACUS put together program. We called 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:04.800 it Healthiest Nation on the planet. And this is before 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:08.080 make America healthy again. And you know, to me, it's 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:11.160 a national security issue for one thing, because we need 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:12.920 to be a healthier nation if we're going to be 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:16.040 a strong, strong nation. But you know, we don't put 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.480 any value on the healthy human life. And this is 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.480 what we are talking about, and this is what I 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:23.719 think we need to do. We put the patient pers 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:26.320 and you have to start young. You have to start 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:30.160 educating people. Everyone knows there's an obesity problem in this country. 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.239 Why is that? I mean a friend of mine who 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.799 started the soup, she goes into schools and she says, 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.360 kids don't even know what a vegetable is. What about 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.279 the President's physical Fitness program? Where did that go since 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:44.040 I was a kid? It is important, and we can 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:47.680 do that and accommodate those with disabilities. And look, I'm 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:50.160 grateful to live in a country that has safety nets 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:55.040 for people. I think that is really important, such as Medicaid, Medicare. 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.319 There's safety nets for us overall. But we shouldn't be 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.520 bragging about putting more people into what is the government 0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:06.320 program safety net. We should be bragging when fewer people 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.840 need it, because then they may have good insurance, and 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.080 there's a lot of things that go along with that 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:15.000 that we want. We want to reward prevention, we want 0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:19.279 to increase education. We want early diagnosis of things and 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:22.520 so that people have access to physition that can make 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:26.480 an early diagnosis. We have a physician shortage and we 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.840 need to increase those that are graduating in medical school, 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:32.040 and we need more Marcus Welbys by the way, And 0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.040 you know, we've got a system in place today that 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:38.920 it's becoming all hospital based and controlled under that way, 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.239 rather than the guy who's just down the street that 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:44.359 will take care of you and knows you. So these 0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:47.160 are the things that we're for. And you know, I 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:51.000 like home care, I like telehealth. I don't want it abused. 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.280 I want it to be good. Where's transparency in medicine? 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.279 You know, people are going into surgery. I have my 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.719 patients say, you just had surgery, right, you know how 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:01.880 much is this going to cost? Well the insurance company 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.480 often to say, well, we'll let you know after you 0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:05.560 have it. And it's like, well, this is what I'm 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:07.680 going to do. Why can't you tell the patient how 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.080 mu's going to it's going to cost them? These are 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.360 problems that are that are out there, and people should 0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:14.239 be able to know what their costs are going to be, 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:18.000 make decisions, work with their doctor to make make decisions. 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.880 And the other thing is we're driving towards innovations, chores 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:26.200 and better treatments keep people healthy. When people are healthy, 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.360 they can go to work. I mean, we have a 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.320 problem putting people into the military today because our youths 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:33.680 are a problem. 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:38.399 Today. Seven out of ten Americans today right now, all 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:40.719 of us, seven out of ten of us bred robs. 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:42.480 Right. 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.160 This is the problem, and that's what you need to address, 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:49.719 not just the Affordable Care Act. So the debate can 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.320 go on, and this is what the shutdown is over, 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.239 and you talk about people losing their jobs, et cetera, 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:59.880 et cetera. You know, this continued resolution did not stop 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.680 the subsidies. That's at a later date. So now you're 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.399 doing all this shutting down the government. Well, what you're 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:08.480 fighting for isn't even in play yet. 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.960 It cost another trillion dollars to keep the government open 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.040 seven more weeks. What are we getting for that? Wolver 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:18.080 a trillion dollars? That's again, it's that's always a question, right, 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:21.080 it's taking you know, it's All you're doing is transferring. 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:25.480 The problem we know subsidy, for example, college is heavily subsidized. 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:27.960 How's college working out? Is college affordable? The answer is 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.400 hell no. If you subsidize something, all you're doing is 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:33.439 you're you're taking the cost and passing against other people. 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:35.319 And I know that's how our healthcare system is set up. 0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:39.080 But with compliance, you mentioned burnout. For example, physicians are 0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:41.040 leaving not because they don't love practice and medic and 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:44.040 helping people. It's because there's so much between them and 0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:48.080 the actual practicing of medicine with compliance and bureaucracy, Medicare, Medicaid, 0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.440 insurance companies, they don't have time for it. 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:53.600 Thank Scott. I know a guy in the rural areas. 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:56.319 He doesn't take insurance for primary care. They can pay 0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.640 him with eggs if they want to. When you're on 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:02.879 insurance plans, if if somebody gives you eggs, you might 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.800 be in trouble for that, because like you're taking a pride. 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:08.040 I like direct primary care. I think that's I think 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:08.680 that's a great thing. 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.920 Yeah, and I think there's ways of making that in medicaid. 0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:18.480 But that's the topic for another day. But what's the 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:20.640 return on investments. I mean, that's what we need to 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:22.600 be looking at. And you brought that, well, what does 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.920 that do? Are we healthier because we subsidize the Affordable 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.200 Care Act? Now we're becoming a healthier nation? 0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:28.839 No, we're not. 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.759 And so there's no return on investment with what they're 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:34.520 what they're talking about there. And I look at something 0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:36.799 like we've got to cure for hepatitis, see what like 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.520 five ten years ago, and I remember in Washington, the 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.320 immediate reaction is what is that going to cost? Well, 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.719 if it cost twenty five thousand dollars and you're avoiding 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:49.799 the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars liver transplant, there's 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:52.200 a good return on investment. The problem we have in 0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:56.040 Washington is the Congressional Budget Office, which people live and 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.719 die by too often, doesn't know how to do that. 0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:01.680 They actually met with us, doctor Scott, and they said, well, 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:04.640 we don't know how to do that, and we actually 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.919 got a bill in place that you can over ten 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.720 years look at things like that to see the return 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:13.640 on investment, because guess what, people that get hepatitis are 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:16.520 no longer getting liver tramp right right? I mean, you 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.279 know you can see the savings there and see that 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:21.440 all right, let me know there are things we can do. 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:25.160 Brad Winstrip US representative retired. He's a physician, as you know, 0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:28.160 and I'm it's per great person. Talked about the government 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.160 shutdown and it's over healthcare. Democrats want the Affordable Care 0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:34.919 AC TAXI critics extended for people. If you're talking tens 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.239 of millions of people who rely on this thing. And 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:39.319 I for a while now, I've been questioning, okay, so 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:40.439 what's the GOP plan? 0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:40.680 Then? 0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:42.439 I you know, I want to pick the best plan. 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:44.839 I think it's flawed. I think it's faulty. I think 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:48.200 subsidies make us pay more than we should. It's more bureaucracy, 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:51.279 it's more red tape. But it's something you can go, hey, 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:53.560 we're going to subsidize your healthcare because you can't afford 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.200 it right now. And I've questioned, okay, what is the 0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.799 GOP alternative? Give me a good alternative, and for a 0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.799 long time, and I hear what you're saying, Brad, but 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:07.040 it's it's maha right. It's prevention over treatment. It's access 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:10.520 to healthcare, telehealth and competition, and that's going to just work. 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.160 Force shortages and of course price transparency with President Trump 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.200 in the first term got his hands around in the 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:17.480 sample size. Maybe too early to tell because I think 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.200 it just all the final components that wasn't to effect 0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.719 last year. But that's a good thing. But when I 0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:26.160 look at that whole thing, you know, to me, Brad, sorry, 0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:28.560 it doesn't seem like it's a it's an answer. It's 0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:32.799 it's observations, it's platitudes. We know what's wrong, but we 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.440 can't fix it again. Democrats are shifting money from wildpod 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:39.920 to another with subsidies, right, and that's but it's not 0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:42.239 making us healthier. But you're talking about, all right, if 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.120 we started this today, because habits are hard to break, 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:48.560 as we know, that's that's great for that's great for 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:52.279 a newborn, for a young kid. Hitting this message with 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.360 thirty forty fifty sixty year olds, I think it's missing 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:58.560 the plate simply because all right, well, that's if we 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:01.600 teach people to be healthier, that's great. But I have cancer, now, 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:03.880 I have als, Now I'm in a wheelchair. Now, my 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.040 mom has diabetes, my uncle has cancer. What can you 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.560 do for me right now? Today? This is long term 0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.400 and changing a mindset. That's great and we should be 0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:14.360 doing that, but that doesn't help people today. That's the 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:18.279 problem with this plan because it's not aude. 0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:22.480 But nobody's talking about getting rid of taking care of 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:26.440 people in generally in general. And instead of just having 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:30.000 break it fix it, we try to prevent it. And 0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.400 that's where the real cost savings is. That's where there, 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.960 that's where there's the return on investment. And you have 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.319 to start it sometimes, and that's why I say you 0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:39.920 start with the youth. You know, we have to educate 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:43.319 our children. You know, what about health class. I mean, 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.680 that's just that's just the start. And you know, when 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:49.960 you talk about the Affordable Care Act in general, you 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.200 know what they're what we're finding is there's people on 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:55.120 there that have other insurance and there and there are 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.919 illegals on there, and our taxpayers don't want to pay 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.240 for that. They just don't. Why should they. You're paying 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.200 for people that don't pay any taxes and pay into. 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:07.960 One hundred percent. But it doesn't address the issues people 0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:10.799 can't afford healthcare today. And you know, you may look 0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:13.200 at hey, subsidies, I get it's driving everything up, but 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:15.959 I need this now. I mean we're in enrollment season 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.440 or close to it, and people are afraid. They're you know, 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.200 if your healthcare costs quadruple, no one can afford that. 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:23.520 If I had to pay thirteen four hundred, which is 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:27.120 the average, that's not affordable for most Americans. So this 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.640 addresses things in the future and taking care of yourself now. 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:32.640 If you if you're an adult and you need health care, 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.439 which we all do at this point, I don't thought 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:37.440 I don't, and nothing's making you cheaper. We need to, 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:39.560 and I think that's where Republicans is one of the 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:41.360 few things that Trump's losing the war on, right, And 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:43.880 this is why Democrats are falling on this hill, Brad 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.440 is because healthcare is the only thing that they win 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.000 on that they're on the right side of with the 0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:50.440 American people. Everything else they're upside down losing the trumpet 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:53.160 underwater on so they plant the swag and rally around it. 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.200 I get the political nature of why they're doing this, 0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:59.160 but it also is the fact that health care sucks 0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:02.000 in this country. I would like Republicans are something a 0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:05.200 concrete plan to get it fixed, kind of like you know, 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:06.880 Trump does something and hey, we're going to put them 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:09.000 under his he put a man on the moon in 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:11.319 the week, right, if there's are nineteen sixty nine, we 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:13.160 need a plan like that. We need a man in 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.880 the moon strategy to fix healthcare in the next few years. 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.319 Okay, well, let's talk about that for a second. So 0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:20.719 you have the Affordable Care Act, and it's like so 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:22.879 many other plans, and I can tell you this first 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:28.040 stand from patient frustration. What do insurance companies do? They 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:31.600 delay your care and they deny your care. Why you 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:35.200 talked about doctors leaving because we get tired of having 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.560 to get prior authorization. These are all things that need 0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.799 to change, and they can be changed now. They can 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:45.239 be changed now. Congress can do this, and we need 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:48.359 to streamline. I have a bill called the Safe Step Act, 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.400 and that's been out there for twelve years and we 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.719 can't get it through. What does it do. It just 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.839 allows the doctor to say, this is the medicine that 0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:00.440 my patient needs. It's not on your formula, but this 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:04.440 is what they need. And here's why. Instead of writing 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:07.080 for the prescription that you want your patient to have, 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:10.839 waiting for the insurance company to approve it, telling them 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.479 that's telling you it's not approved. This is not good 0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:16.160 for help. These are all the things that are taking 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.439 place and that has taken place within the Affordable Care 0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:23.240 Act and everywhere else, and so to feed the monster 0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.280 doesn't make any sense. We need to change the monster 0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:26.880 as well. 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.319 Why is there no political power to do that? Though? 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:31.320 I mean you mentioned something. I love what you just 0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:33.359 proposed there, But why is that? Why is that bill 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:36.160 languishing for twelve years? Brad? What what's holding that up? 0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:40.799 Because because the insurance lobby is pretty strong, and they 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.759 get to some people and say, oh, you know, you 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:45.880 can't do that, that's that's not good, it's going to 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:47.920 be a waste of money, and blah blah blah, and 0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:51.359 then they blame doctors, doctors just they're getting kickbacks from 0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:54.840 these companies and which isn't true. It's not true. But 0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:57.920 this is the political narrative that's being held out there 0:48:58.120 --> 0:48:59.880 and this and who suffers? 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:00.520 Patients? 0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.719 Yeah, patients are the ones that suffer. If you think 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:07.480 the insurance lobby isn't huge out there, then just wonder 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:11.320 why they're getting the subsidies to begin with. They're making 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:15.640 a lot of money off this rather than competing, and 0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:19.120 maybe they have a little less profit that. 0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:22.000 Now falls in the area of campaign finance reform. The 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:24.560 little action that's a whole, that's a whole separate. Well, 0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:26.200 that's what's true script of the system. I get that 0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:28.680 these represent companies that have people that they hire and 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:30.800 their shareholder value, all those things go in. That's just 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.080 kinunt of they shouldn't have a voice. But when they 0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:37.319 hold senators and congressman hostage, that's a different story. And 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:39.319 that's you know, the cost is driving up. They're making 0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:41.080 the money off the middle and that's why there's no 0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:45.080 impetus to change things because both Republicans and Democrats are 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:48.280 the ones that are are being enriched through campaign donations 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.919 and everything else with the people we're trying to uh 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.359 decrease their reliance on that's driving the cost of healthcare up. 0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:56.560 And if that's the case, is that it's never going 0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:57.320 to be solved. 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:57.239 Is it? 0:49:58.160 --> 0:49:59.840 But you have no and you have to shift in 0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:02.719 there arrative until you can look at it, until you 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:06.479 can determine and claim that we as a country want 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:09.560 the return on investment to be a healthier nation and 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:12.640 that means taking care of things acutely, but it also 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:16.799 means preventing and coming up with treatment securityvations. This is 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:20.560 common sense stuff. Just throwing more money at an insurance 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:24.440 company doesn't make any of those individuals on that plan healthier. 0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:25.879 That's a fact. 0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:29.200 And so if reducing the subsidies makes them have to 0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.160 be more competitive, I know it makes it more difficult. 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.120 We want it to be more affordable and that goes 0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:37.840 to the transparency and accountability and all the things. And 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:40.440 I think I sent you the information of what we're 0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:44.080 trying to do and trying to make a common sense. 0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:47.800 This is putting patients first, and that's not what's happening 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:52.000 is putting insurance companies first, not patience and their health. 0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:56.560 And that is the narrative has to change. If we 0:50:56.680 --> 0:51:02.040 should be asking providers in the providers, insurance providers and 0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:04.480 the Affordable Care Act, what have you done to make 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:08.600 America a healthier nation? What about your plan makes America 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:13.240 healthier because they have coverage that's that's delayed and denied. 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:16.239 We've got to do better, and just just feeding the 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:18.799 monster doesn't make sense to a lot of people, and 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:20.719 it doesn't do the patience any doesn't. 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:22.560 Okay, but what do you say somebody hears it goes 0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:25.280 that's all well and good, but I'm worried about tomorrow 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:29.439 if these tax credits expire and they just simply die, 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:33.400 I can't afford healthcare for me, my spouse and my 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:35.160 two kids. What do you say to that, Yes. 0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:37.400 You, well, maybe you can if you can get the 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.719 plan that you choose, if you can go out and 0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.640 shop for the chance that plan that you choose, it 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:46.880 doesn't have things in mandates mandated in it. You know, 0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:49.040 for the little sisters of the poor to have to 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:52.240 get contraceptive covered, that doesn't make any sense. 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:52.640 Stop. 0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:57.000 There's problems within that proproblems. I get that, and and 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:00.600 that's not a free choice for people. And you know 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:03.359 that that creates a problem too. So you've you've got 0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:08.040 over certain people a monopoly of what they have to buy, 0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:12.560 and it isn't cost effective for most people. And so 0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:15.640 if they have to compete, it makes a whole whole 0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.960 lot of difference. If they have compete compete, A lot 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:21.760 of people would say, you know what I can pay 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:25.319 for my day to day I just want catastrophic that's 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:27.080 that's all. I want to have service. 0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:31.279 Right right as well? It should should have enough on 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.799 the side. We heard that analogy before about well, if 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:36.040 you had if your health insurnch for like your car insurance, 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:39.040 church have car insurance when you need new wipers, for example, 0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:41.359 or gasod be covered under insurance, and that's not what 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:44.040 it's there for. It's for catastrophic needs for Unfortunately, so 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:46.440 many people don't have the savings set aside to be 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:49.400 able to afford anything. Above that, the healthcare system is 0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:52.080 a mess and it doesn't sound like it's changing anytime 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:54.959 soon because of the deep pockets that really control things, 0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:58.480 and that'd be hospitals, insurance companies, big pharma, medical professional 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:01.239 groups and the like have their stakeholders on this as 0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:04.719 well and have the leverage able to influence lawmakers, which 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:06.800 is why good ideas like that bill you had, Brad 0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:09.399 just sit there and shrivel up and die because it's 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:13.040 not in their best interest. Brad winstrop Us representatives retired 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:15.240 now in private practice. I don't know if we solved 0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:17.719 an any Maybe we answer some questions here, but I 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:19.040 think we solved anything today. 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:22.000 Well, I will tell you this that there there's a 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:26.239 group in DC that is talking about Brad. Can you 0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:29.200 get involved if we can maybe put together a collaboration. 0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:32.839 It's not part of the government. Where you have pharma. There, 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:38.480 you have hospitals. There, you have physician specialty. 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:40.839 Represent table if you will, and a round. 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:44.000 Table front of Sea Span, not sitting in front of 0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:48.279 Sea Span, going getting your five minutes, and it's to 0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:49.440 satisfy your baby. 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.200 That's all dog and pony. I get hey, Brad, I 0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:52.759 got to get going. I thank you for the time. 0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:53.160 Be well. 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:54.840 Always a pleasure. 0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:56.839 Thanks gott love my friend. Thanks. So we're running late. 0:53:56.840 --> 0:53:58.279 We've got to get to a news update. Lots to 0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:00.479 chew on there or maybe not. You go okfs to answer, 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:03.600 and I gotta pay my stuff today. I feel you 0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:05.160 seven eight or wway. 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:09.760 Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:11.200 to help us get our heads right. 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:15.919 This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire. Yeah, 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.280 we do it on Monday because that is a struggle 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:20.400 day for most people. Now, if you got your bleep 0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:23.600 together and every day is a holiday, every day is 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:27.120 good and you're probably the envy of most modern brains. 0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:29.680 But that's not how it works. Julie Hattersh here, I 0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:31.600 hope to trust you had a good weekend, all. 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.400 Right, Yeah, it was a really good weekend. 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:37.440 How is your good? Fine? Just tobbling around, that's about it. 0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:39.880 I can't do it, stare out the window like a 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:43.759 drooling fool. But maybe another couple of days so maybe 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:45.480 I can crawl as opposed to sit there and not 0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:47.560 move at all. So hey, you know what. And then 0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:49.439 there are people with real sickness in ls in the world, 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.319 so I don't feel so bad. I'm good, We good, 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:55.160 we good. There's a story ripped from today's headlines. And 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:57.440 I know we'd often to talk about political stuff, but this, 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.279 I mean it's political, but I think there's a also 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:03.000 something else going on here. So by now you've heard 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:06.080 about the leaked telegram chat of twenty eight thousand plus 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:10.600 matches between young Republicans. I think it was on a 0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:14.320 platform and a social platform, and there there are comments 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:17.680 about Hitler, praising Hitler, racial slurs, gas chamber jokes, horrific, 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:20.120 horrific things in there from a ledge of the future 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:22.799 of the Republican Party. Bad look for Republicans, because if 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:25.920 you don't like Republicans or on the other side, you say, well, 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:29.399 that's about right for these guys. But I think there's 0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:31.359 somebody to be said about who's doing this and why. 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:33.719 I mean, this is extremely difficult to talk about, I know, 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:36.759 but I think it also gets back the fact that 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:41.040 a lot of people there's their online persona and then 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:43.160 there's real life persona. I just wonder how many of 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:45.439 these people believe what they said, and if they weren't 0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:47.080 just trying to get a rise and be an edge 0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:49.040 lord and get a rise from the people in that 0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:52.080 particular circle. I think it's an interesting sociological thing that's 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:52.680 going on here. 0:55:53.960 --> 0:55:55.040 Yeah, I agree with you. 0:55:55.160 --> 0:55:58.480 So I read through some of this and did little research, 0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:01.960 and of the eleven people on that chat, three of 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:05.680 them were women, and eight of them were between. 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:09.239 Twenty four and thirty five. So when people say, you know. 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:12.120 It's just kids being kids, I want to point out 0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:15.239 that these are the young Republicans, but they're not teenagers. 0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:20.480 Many of them have jobs that are in lower levels 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:23.959 of political office, and in fact, one is a state senator. 0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:25.000 In Vermont and his wife. 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:29.600 So these are not kids in the sense that they've 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:33.160 been portrayed as kids. But yeah, it's really hard to 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:35.839 know from reading through what I read through whether they 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:39.200 actually believe this and meanness to the extent that they 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:42.680 said it or whether it's just sort of the common 0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:45.560 language of their group. 0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:47.040 You know what I mean, right, right right? 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:50.440 And to PICL, you know, young anything young professionals, for example, 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.360 typically means people forty under. But that is also a 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.279 broad spectrum. Is that it does an eighteen year old? 0:56:55.320 --> 0:56:56.760 How much does an eighteen year old have in common 0:56:56.760 --> 0:56:58.680 with a forty year old? So it's not like it's 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:02.040 a specific demographic, not just gen zers, but there's also 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:05.040 millennials in there too, So young is basing any group 0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:05.680 under forty? 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:07.840 Exactly? Yeah. 0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:10.920 And so as I was reading through this and keeping 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:14.240 in mind that you know, prefrontal cortexas don't develop until 0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:16.959 early twenties and then maybe a year or two later 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:19.840 than that, we've still got some people in this that 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:23.920 may not have full comprehension of the potential consequences of 0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:26.919 what they're saying. But then as I'm continuing to read, 0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:28.960 there are more than once it says, you know, if 0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:33.160 this gets leaved, we're in bad trouble. So some people 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:36.720 in this definitely had some sense of what the potential 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:40.080 consequences could be, but some of the stuff that they 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.640 wrote was just shocking. And the question you asked me 0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:45.960 is how much of this do they actually believe versus 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:46.919 how much of this is. 0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:49.120 Just you know, in group languaging. 0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:51.160 And I don't have an answer for you for that. 0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:52.760 It's really distressing to. 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:56.600 Think about, right, But you wonder because it is younger people, 0:57:56.640 --> 0:58:00.760 and again not a teenagers here. There's generally teenagers spunk 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:03.400 of a damn about politics. They know they don't like stuff, 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:04.920 but they don't know why. It's not till you get 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:06.960 older you go, oh, okay, I get what's going on here. 0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:11.200 It's politics in the fact that this is online culture though, right, 0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:14.240 is that we are in these individual silos. Now, if 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:18.360 I am a I don't know, a blind agnostic who's 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:22.840 into a fifth century pottery, I can find a group 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:25.440 online of like minded people. Before I'd be kind of 0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:28.000 the freak and ostracized. But now I find my own 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:30.400 group online. And that's the upside of it. But the 0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:33.840 downside is more tribalism. Is this one of those deals 0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:37.600 where everyone in this echo chamber espouses the same political ideology, 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:41.280 but it's just trying to basically roast or outrage other people. 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:43.440 And the more you outrage, the more it looks like 0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:47.920 you are. I guess more of a believer in the cause, 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:52.280 and it just becomes this self fulfilling prophecy that's anchored 0:58:52.280 --> 0:58:54.680 by well, how outrageous can I be because I'm with 0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:57.240 Kindred Spirits. Isn't this all about tribalism and wanting to 0:58:57.280 --> 0:58:58.000 belong to a group? 0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:01.280 I think that's a big piece of yeah, and trying 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:03.800 to see just how far you can push the envelope. Okay, 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:05.960 so I make this joke, I say this word, I 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.240 say this thing, and people are giving me thumbs up 0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:11.959 and piling on positively, or people are giving me thumbs 0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:15.160 up and thumbs down and piling on negatively. So now 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:17.200 I'm trying to test the boundaries and figure out are 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:18.480 their boundaries. 0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:19.360 And what are they? 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:22.400 And what we do online is very different than what 0:59:22.440 --> 0:59:26.520 we would do in person. So you would say something 0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:29.840 terrible in person, and there might be people who would 0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:32.800 give you pushback or a disgusted look, or or there 0:59:32.880 --> 0:59:36.840 might be some indication that that wasn't okay. But if 0:59:36.880 --> 0:59:39.760 you do that in the online world, sometimes all you 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:43.959 get is dead air. So there's no negative. The dead 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:46.520 air is the negative, which is not the same as 0:59:46.520 --> 0:59:50.040 people saying, hey, it's not okay to say or conversely, 0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:51.439 you say something in real life. 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:54.080 When people are yeah, absolutely. 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:54.200 Go more with that. 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:58.600 So it's about finding out where you sit, I think, 0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:01.280 to some extent, and test the boundaries of just how 1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:04.880 far things can be pushed, where are the edges here, 1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:08.480 and how provocative can I be and still be part 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:08.960 of the group. 1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:11.560 In the pre digital age, I will say that you 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:13.240 know you would you may be at a rally or 1:00:13.280 --> 1:00:15.600 something like that and you have a sign or I mean, 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:18.960 let's face you. Okay, let's say that there's the real life, 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:21.960 in real life version, this would be let's say a 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:24.000 Nazi rally or something. All right, okay, so I'm going 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:25.720 to go up there and like what we saw over 1:00:25.720 --> 1:00:28.000 and even in the summer, right, Look how many people 1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:30.960 showed up and yelled at them, threatened them, brought guns 1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:32.760 to the dance and want them the hell off of 1:00:32.800 --> 1:00:35.919 that overpass. Everyone did except them. You have now real 1:00:36.000 --> 1:00:38.400 time feedback from your comments and your beliefs. Do I 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:40.480 really believe this? Well, they did everything they could to 1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:44.280 sell this ideology that no one was buying. But online 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:46.360 you don't have those repercussions. You're not going to get 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:48.600 punched in the face. You're not going to get physically threatened. 1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:50.960 You might digitally, but it's the same as a compliment. 1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:53.840 It doesn't matter. It's different when you're saying that someone's 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:56.320 these things they're facing. And that's really what's changed about 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:57.240 the digital age. 1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:00.600 That's really what's changed about the digital age is that 1:01:00.680 --> 1:01:03.240 now with the Internet, we can say things that we 1:01:03.280 --> 1:01:06.040 wouldn't say to someone in real life, and we can 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:07.320 have very. 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:08.880 Limited consequences to that. 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:11.280 And if we happen to be in a group where 1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:13.520 that is the norm, then not only do we get 1:01:13.520 --> 1:01:16.760 limited consequences, but here are our people, and we're saying 1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:19.280 it to our people, whether it's positive or negative, whether 1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:22.360 it's left or right or center, we're talking to our people, 1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:26.280 and we're getting more affirmation for that than we might 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:29.200 otherwise in a more mixed group. And we don't have 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:33.400 to affiliate with people online who aren't like us as 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:36.840 we would in the real world in a job or 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:39.800 in a social situation where there are people who aren't 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:43.400 like us. Can be as as groupy as we want 1:01:43.440 --> 1:01:46.280 to be online because those are our folks. 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:49.200 We've always had these kind of groups, Julie, But at 1:01:49.200 --> 1:01:51.640 the same time, I think they're more prevalent. It seems 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:54.120 like this's happening with impunity now. I think COVID had 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:56.120 a lot to do this because of the lockdown, because 1:01:56.160 --> 1:01:58.800 we were all islands or by ourselves. We still got 1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:02.200 stuff done, just learned to live online a lot more 1:02:02.280 --> 1:02:03.479 and there's no going back. 1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:08.800 It really changed everything long term. I don't know about permanently, 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:12.000 but certainly long term it changed everything. I mean, I'll 1:02:12.040 --> 1:02:14.440 tell you from my own profession there as therapist who 1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:16.680 went totally online during COVID, and we'll never. 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:18.200 Go back to seeing people in person. 1:02:18.920 --> 1:02:20.640 And so if you just look at you know how 1:02:20.640 --> 1:02:24.040 many people stopped working in person and are now only 1:02:24.080 --> 1:02:27.439 working online, So you can't. You don't have the same 1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:31.600 social interaction with people you're not choosing to interact with 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:34.520 as you do if you go into an office every day, 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:36.680 or you go into a factory every day, or. 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:38.760 You go out into the world in. 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:41.160 A different way now than we did before COVID for sure, 1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:43.760 and I think it definitely made us more in groupy 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:47.640 and less diverse in the people that we spend time 1:02:47.680 --> 1:02:50.000 with because we don't have to to the same. 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:50.760 Degree that we used to. 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:53.680 Right, Okay, that makes sense. She's Julie Hattershoes, she's a 1:02:53.760 --> 1:02:55.920 licensed mental health therapist from here in Cincinnati. On the 1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:59.160 Scotsland Show it's Mental Health Monday, and I don't on 1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:02.000 Mental healthy. This really is in a sense that we 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:05.800 have traded digital relationships or face to face ones. And 1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:08.080 I think maybe that's the big takeaway is that, and 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:10.000 I'm sure you treat or see people and hear about 1:03:10.040 --> 1:03:12.040 from people who are in the same boat, is that 1:03:12.280 --> 1:03:15.480 if you get a steady diet of these echo chambers 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:19.439 and that takes over your real life and reality, it's 1:03:19.440 --> 1:03:21.120 probably going to lead you some male health issues. 1:03:22.360 --> 1:03:25.960 Well it does, and also it leads to some relationship challenges. 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:27.880 So I'm not even going to say if you get 1:03:27.880 --> 1:03:29.920 a steady diet of these echo chambers, I'm just going 1:03:29.960 --> 1:03:33.240 to say people are losing the ability to interact with 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:36.640 each other effectively face to face. The more time we 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:39.400 spend online, the more time we don't have to make 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:42.040 a phone call to a customer service rep to get 1:03:42.080 --> 1:03:44.520 something done, or make a phone call to schedule an 1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:47.360 appointment for something, the more that we don't actually have 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:49.800 to go out into the world and interact with people 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:53.400 on a consistent basis, we're losing some of our social skills, 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:57.000 or at least they're changing and they're becoming more. 1:03:56.840 --> 1:03:58.360 Online social skills. 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:02.280 And the problem is that then if you forget where 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:04.480 you are and you say something in the real world 1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:07.080 that you would only drop in a chat online, suddenly 1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:10.960 you get some negative pushback for that. But we're losing 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:13.760 the ability to interact and relate with each other face 1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:14.280 to face. 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:16.800 And I see that in my practice a lot. 1:04:16.920 --> 1:04:19.680 I see people who are so isolated and so lonely 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:20.920 despite the fact. 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:23.160 That we're more connected and I use air quotes around 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:24.720 that word than ever before. 1:04:25.160 --> 1:04:29.520 And the thing is that we're connected often to people 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:32.840 who think like us, and not connected to people who 1:04:32.920 --> 1:04:35.640 don't think like us. So there's no real world fact 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:38.080 checking or pushback for some of the things we. 1:04:38.080 --> 1:04:38.440 Say and do. 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:40.760 That's interesting because so what you're saying is like people, 1:04:40.800 --> 1:04:45.480 for example, who I don't know, maybe they're you know, 1:04:45.480 --> 1:04:47.000 Trump seems to be the bit and it could be 1:04:47.000 --> 1:04:49.400 anything in right now, it's Trump, Like I'm a big 1:04:49.440 --> 1:04:52.080 Trump fan, and I only associate with people online who 1:04:52.120 --> 1:04:54.720 are in the real world I know people who aren't, 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:56.760 and then I don't associate even family members and we've 1:04:56.760 --> 1:05:00.400 seen relationships break off over who's president United State. I mean, 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:03.760 it's it's so stupid and myopic that you're gonna you know, 1:05:03.800 --> 1:05:06.240 you're losing family members and friends for a long long 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:08.240 time over who got voted in the office or who 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:10.080 didn't win. It doesn't make any sense to me, but 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:13.200 for those people it does. And that to me is 1:05:13.240 --> 1:05:16.680 that detachment from online versus real life. 1:05:17.720 --> 1:05:20.720 Yes, and that detachment from a reality check that not 1:05:20.880 --> 1:05:23.080 everybody thinks and feels the way that you do, and 1:05:23.120 --> 1:05:24.160 that people who don't. 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:25.000 Think and feel the way that. 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:27.600 You do can actually be good people and you might 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:30.280 actually have to work with them and interact with them, 1:05:30.400 --> 1:05:32.160 or be a family member or. 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:34.320 A friend to them, or go to school with them. 1:05:34.840 --> 1:05:38.520 And so we're losing the ability to hold opposing viewpoints 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:41.560 as being equally valid as ours, and we're starting to 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:45.600 dehumanize and other eyes people who think differently than we do. 1:05:45.840 --> 1:05:48.440 Well, well, yeah, I'm sorry when we establish like you know, 1:05:48.480 --> 1:05:50.840 saft zones on college campuses where I can espouse my 1:05:50.920 --> 1:05:52.640 you know, actually my first amounmer, right, but you can't 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:55.920 challenge me that you know, that that predates and that 1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:58.400 overshadows in my opinion, we're talking about day hear digital, 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:00.040 but it feeds in the whole same thing is, do 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:02.840 you want to shelter our children who eventually become adults 1:06:02.880 --> 1:06:06.960 so much that they only have their views reinforced and 1:06:07.000 --> 1:06:09.200 never be challenged to think another way or see someone 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:12.280 else's that that's dangerous and it leads to those those. 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:16.440 It does, it leads, It definitely can lead to this. 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:19.840 These litmus tests for you in or are you out? 1:06:20.240 --> 1:06:23.840 And these belief systems that if you disagree with me, 1:06:24.040 --> 1:06:28.640 if anyone disagrees with us, they are bad or wrong, 1:06:28.840 --> 1:06:32.360 we dehumanize, we otherize them. We don't have the ability to, 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:35.240 as they say in politics, work across the aisle. We're 1:06:35.240 --> 1:06:37.600 losing the ability to say, you and I disagree on this, 1:06:37.680 --> 1:06:39.680 but we still have to work together to get this done. 1:06:39.560 --> 1:06:40.760 Whatever that happens to be. 1:06:41.280 --> 1:06:44.200 And we're becoming very tribal, to use your word from 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:48.040 earlier in the segment, we're becoming very tribal. And that 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:52.280 can be a strength, but it more often than not, 1:06:52.480 --> 1:06:54.880 I think is a deficit because we're losing diversity of 1:06:54.960 --> 1:06:59.640 thought and diversity of representation, and we're losing our abilities 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:01.680 to deal with people who think and feel and operate 1:07:01.680 --> 1:07:02.760 differently in the world. 1:07:02.520 --> 1:07:02.880 Than we do. 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:07.240 Also the ability to negotiate, to realize we have differences 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:10.400 in come to common ground. I mean, I think it's 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:13.880 not a coincidence that we same day we're talking about 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:15.760 this business. I mean, look at the shootings on Falun Square, 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:17.960 Look at the one we just had on Thursday after 1:07:17.960 --> 1:07:20.680 the football game. People are willing just okay, I'm in 1:07:20.680 --> 1:07:23.080 an argument over something stupid and not even a street 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:25.560 total strangers and pick up a gun and shoot them 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:29.480 because what because they looked at you differently or you 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:32.480 thought they said something, or a parking spot, whatever it is. 1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:35.120 Rather than just you know, argue you're getting a fight 1:07:35.240 --> 1:07:37.040 or discuss it, somebody's going to pick up a gun 1:07:37.040 --> 1:07:39.440 and shootcho. This is cut from the same fabric. 1:07:39.480 --> 1:07:41.600 I think it's very similar. 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:48.600 It's all part of a continuum of increasing uncivil discourse 1:07:48.960 --> 1:07:54.720 in our country, in our society. It's increasingly becoming extremist, 1:07:54.800 --> 1:07:59.760 it's increasingly becoming violent word wise or action wise, and 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:07.080 it's decreasingly becoming cooperative and collaberative and negotiated. And so yes, 1:08:07.160 --> 1:08:12.280 I think it's all part of the continuum of uncivilizing 1:08:12.360 --> 1:08:13.200 our civilization. 1:08:14.160 --> 1:08:15.720 Julie Hatters share, I don't know if you see this 1:08:15.760 --> 1:08:18.639 in your practice, or maybe you've heard stories from colleagues 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:21.160 and the like it are there people that are realizing, Hey, 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:23.000 I've got a digital problem. I've got to get some 1:08:23.520 --> 1:08:25.519 help mentally and this or I guess I see a 1:08:25.560 --> 1:08:28.200 mental health therapist about this above all, Also that's changing 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:31.679 my you know, changing my or or someone's forcing someone 1:08:31.680 --> 1:08:34.200 to go to therapy because they've isolated themselves. To the 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:36.280 point is that actually has that become a thing over 1:08:36.280 --> 1:08:39.479 the years in practices like, yes, yeah. 1:08:39.360 --> 1:08:39.840 It has. 1:08:40.000 --> 1:08:41.920 I have a lot of people, a lot of couples 1:08:41.960 --> 1:08:44.880 I see in fact that I suggest going on a 1:08:44.880 --> 1:08:48.080 digital diet or a digital detox because they're spending so 1:08:48.200 --> 1:08:50.240 much time with their face on the screen that they're 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:54.280 not actually connecting with themselves in life and with other 1:08:54.360 --> 1:08:58.519 people in life, and it's creating problems in relationships, it's 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:03.080 creating problems in mental health in individuals who get so 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:07.439 sucked into the screen that they're not actually connecting with 1:09:07.640 --> 1:09:11.360 folks in their life and doing things outside, like actually 1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:16.280 outside the house, but outside of their screen. Becomes very 1:09:16.360 --> 1:09:19.879 isolating and it's meant to. I mean, the stuff online 1:09:19.920 --> 1:09:22.040 is meant to keep you there. That's what they want. 1:09:22.080 --> 1:09:23.640 They want you to stay there. They don't want you 1:09:23.680 --> 1:09:25.760 to go out and you know, paddle canoe or take 1:09:25.760 --> 1:09:26.200 a bike. 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:27.839 Rider, engage and have lunch with the friends. 1:09:27.920 --> 1:09:30.439 Engagement, that's what it's all about. And engaging. But then 1:09:30.479 --> 1:09:32.800 you get more of the diet of what you subscribe 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:35.160 to and want to see, and so the algorithm minosis 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:36.360 and feed you more of it to keep you on 1:09:36.360 --> 1:09:39.280 on longer. The problem is there's a definite mental health 1:09:39.320 --> 1:09:42.240 component to this. The more you spend, the more it 1:09:42.320 --> 1:09:44.160 hurts your mind. Now and the other thing too is 1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:46.320 you may not see it right is how many people 1:09:46.400 --> 1:09:48.000 have done that and go, well, that's not me. I 1:09:48.080 --> 1:09:50.720 just is what I like and not realizing that this 1:09:50.880 --> 1:09:51.840 we're talking about you. 1:09:53.160 --> 1:09:55.960 Exactly, and we are not. We humans are not designed 1:09:55.960 --> 1:09:58.599 to live in isolation, and yet so many of us 1:09:58.600 --> 1:10:01.960 are isolated from the world, and our primary relationship is 1:10:01.960 --> 1:10:04.240 through a screen, and we are not. Our brains and 1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:06.360 our bodies are not designed to live in isolation. We're 1:10:06.360 --> 1:10:09.360 designed to live in community with other people, our friends, 1:10:09.360 --> 1:10:14.080 our families, our coworkers, our neighbors, and this keeps us 1:10:14.120 --> 1:10:18.120 connected again in air quotes, but also so incredibly disconnected. 1:10:18.439 --> 1:10:21.680 It's not good for us mentally, emotionally, relationally, it's not 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:24.760 good for us physically. There are so many things that 1:10:24.840 --> 1:10:28.240 it's like anything you know, too much of anything is bad. 1:10:29.200 --> 1:10:30.840 And this is another example of that. 1:10:31.000 --> 1:10:33.200 Yeah, as the young Republicans chats like, it's got so 1:10:33.320 --> 1:10:36.040 narrow and so so tribal that you know, if you 1:10:36.080 --> 1:10:37.479 step back and look at and go, what what the 1:10:37.520 --> 1:10:39.439 hell is? What what am I reading here? This is 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:42.880 and not suspecting that someone at some point of all 1:10:42.880 --> 1:10:46.120 those people in that chat would and so either be 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:49.000 exploited or I've heard it maybe the blackmailed a little bit, 1:10:49.040 --> 1:10:51.519 but still, I mean it's it's they're your words, and 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:53.160 somebody's going to get a hold of that. We'll definitely 1:10:53.240 --> 1:10:56.040 use it against you. But it's a bigger problem. It's 1:10:56.280 --> 1:11:00.519 the more connected we become as a world digitally, the 1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:03.439 more lonely we become an individual relationships. I think that's 1:11:03.479 --> 1:11:06.160 the takeaway here. If that's you're something to love, definitely 1:11:06.200 --> 1:11:08.240 need to talk someone like Julie hattersh here, she's at 1:11:08.240 --> 1:11:11.160 beconnected dot Care. Hey, Juliet be connected dot care if 1:11:11.160 --> 1:11:13.000 you want to reach out question for a future topic 1:11:13.240 --> 1:11:15.280 on mental health Monday. I always appreciate the insight and the 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:18.840 good stuff as always be well, take care all right, 1:11:18.880 --> 1:11:20.880 Gotta get to a news update and when a return 1:11:20.960 --> 1:11:25.160 on seven hundred WLW. Last week we had the governor's 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:29.600 ban on what do we call it intoxicating hemp beverages 1:11:29.640 --> 1:11:31.519 and products because they may have on the hands of kids, 1:11:31.680 --> 1:11:36.680 you know, using the children to enact prohibition as nothing new, Uh, 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:38.640 but this part of a bigger problem is is just 1:11:38.720 --> 1:11:44.240 how slow the government is to legislate, control and regulate 1:11:45.200 --> 1:11:48.000 things that go into our body, whether it's those drinks 1:11:48.200 --> 1:11:51.760 or edibles I'm talking about, or something like a nicotine 1:11:52.280 --> 1:11:54.959 pouch which you put in your lip and you get nicotine. 1:11:55.000 --> 1:11:58.040 It's not smoke, it's not tobacco much much safer, but 1:11:58.080 --> 1:12:01.920 you're getting the nicotine delivery system. You're getting nicotine without 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:06.040 the harmful byproducts of tobacco. Well, much like what's happening 1:12:06.080 --> 1:12:09.639 in Ohio, it's happening nationwide. With Trump's FDA, he wants 1:12:09.920 --> 1:12:13.639 he wants to fast track some of these products, these uh, 1:12:14.000 --> 1:12:17.680 nicotine pouches and the problem is now the market is 1:12:17.680 --> 1:12:20.439 flooded with black market products as well. She writes about 1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:23.559 this for a reason and why we need to fast 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:26.080 trak regulation a lot quicker than the FDA has in 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:27.960 the past, and Trump's trying to do it. Her name 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:30.080 is Sophia Hamilton. She joins the next next on the 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:33.400 show to talk about that. Just ahead, seven hundred WWT Cincinnati, Don't. 1:12:33.160 --> 1:12:36.720 Want to be American Scott Flum Show. 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:39.880 This is seven hundred w LW Welcome to the show. 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:45.160 So Mike DeWine issued his Delta ad Intoxicating hamp emergency 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:47.720 band that kicked in last week. But that's a emblematic 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:50.760 a bigger problem. Uh, and it's the problem is a 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:52.920 it's a slow to move government right that drives the 1:12:52.960 --> 1:12:55.040 black market. The reason why he had to do that 1:12:55.160 --> 1:12:57.479 band was because the legislator's been dragging their feet for 1:12:57.479 --> 1:12:59.800 a long time. They had a caravat for hemp, and 1:12:59.800 --> 1:13:01.439 then somebody figured out a way to go, hey, we 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:03.360 could take some of the low level TCHT and hemp 1:13:03.400 --> 1:13:06.559 and process it and as long as we derive the THHD, 1:13:06.640 --> 1:13:09.240 which is the psychoactive ingredient and weed the stuff that 1:13:09.280 --> 1:13:13.160 gets you high, we can make these products and then 1:13:13.439 --> 1:13:16.479 you know, for example, fifty West rolls out of beverage. 1:13:16.479 --> 1:13:19.759 Many companies are doing it. That's CBD infused, cannabis infused, 1:13:19.800 --> 1:13:22.560 and you get a decent buzz, kind of like alcohol 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:25.719 without the alcohol side effects. Money and people like it. Well, 1:13:26.000 --> 1:13:27.800 kids are getting a hold of this in the smokeable 1:13:27.800 --> 1:13:31.160 and edible form in some Roague carryout stores and around 1:13:31.200 --> 1:13:33.200 the state, which of course happens when you have a 1:13:33.240 --> 1:13:36.679 black market that's created by government overregulation and the government's 1:13:36.720 --> 1:13:38.920 low to move, and the end result is now adults 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:41.320 can't have nice things either. No one wants kids getting 1:13:41.400 --> 1:13:44.599 high at the same time as an adult. I've kind 1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:47.400 of earned that right. So this fits into something else 1:13:47.439 --> 1:13:50.160 that's going under the Trump FDA. They're fast tracking reviews 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:53.280 of tobacco. Companies are in the nicotine pouch game now 1:13:53.320 --> 1:13:55.720 because we are people are smoking tobacco, as you know, 1:13:55.840 --> 1:13:56.960 so they're going to go, hey, we got to make 1:13:56.960 --> 1:13:59.840 our money, We'll do nicotine pouches, things like zin and 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:02.519 stuff like that. That's all well and good, but the 1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:04.920 problem is it's much like Ohio is doing with the 1:14:04.960 --> 1:14:08.599 CBD stuff. Is that the slow moving government the plot 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:11.880 and government legislature simply can't get on the way and 1:14:11.920 --> 1:14:16.120 create rules that make access available to other companies, and 1:14:16.160 --> 1:14:18.559 then the end result is you have some black market 1:14:18.640 --> 1:14:21.879 folks getting their products into well convenience stores, for example, 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:24.479 just like we do in Ohio when it comes to CBD. 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:28.040 Kind of a long setup there, I apologize. She's Sophia Hamilton, 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:30.320 she writes in Reason magazine about this. Also she's a 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:32.760 fellow with Young Voices. Good morning, how are you. 1:14:34.120 --> 1:14:36.720 I'm doing great, Thank you so much for having me 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:41.120 this morning. I'm excited to chat a little bit about 1:14:42.200 --> 1:14:46.799 this scary market changes that we're seeing with not only 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:51.360 nicotine couches, but like as you were saying, with cannabis 1:14:51.400 --> 1:14:51.880 as well. 1:14:52.160 --> 1:14:53.880 It's two sides of the same coin, right, I mean, 1:14:53.880 --> 1:14:57.120 that was the world's longest setup. I apologize, But it 1:14:57.160 --> 1:15:01.160 all comes together because it's the problem is the slow moving, 1:15:01.200 --> 1:15:04.559 plotting government. And we live in an on demand society. 1:15:04.600 --> 1:15:07.040 People sample something, and they see something, they read something, 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:08.720 they eat, they drink a wow. I like this a lot. 1:15:08.720 --> 1:15:10.439 Where can I get it? Well, all of a sudden, 1:15:10.520 --> 1:15:14.360 you have an exploding consumer market for that, and we 1:15:14.439 --> 1:15:17.320 get it. Whether it's a CBD infused to THC CBD 1:15:17.360 --> 1:15:21.960 infused drink, or whether it's a nicotine pouch, somebody's gonna 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:25.280 rush in legal orly illegal to fill that void. What's 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:27.720 happening relative to nicotine. We know what's going on with 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:31.200 THCHC here in Ohio, but what about the nicotine patch game. 1:15:32.680 --> 1:15:38.439 Yeah, so nicotine policy is changing all across the country. 1:15:38.479 --> 1:15:41.720 We have some seats that are incredibly strict and how 1:15:41.720 --> 1:15:45.080 to have a lot of bands where they limit ages 1:15:45.200 --> 1:15:49.880 percentages of nicotine flavors. And then you have a different 1:15:49.880 --> 1:15:55.120 regulatory regene at the spiral level where they are very 1:15:55.240 --> 1:16:00.479 slow to improve quality products that have been on the 1:16:00.520 --> 1:16:03.479 international market for decades and that we know are safe, 1:16:03.840 --> 1:16:09.000 and so consumers are trying new products like nicotine pouches. 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:13.160 They've been on the US market for at least a decade, 1:16:13.280 --> 1:16:16.519 but they haven't had full SDA approoval and that's a 1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:19.920 whole it's a whole process to get the official stamp 1:16:19.960 --> 1:16:24.320 of approval from the SBA. So American consumers have been 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:27.680 able to try these products and realize, oh yeah, I 1:16:27.800 --> 1:16:31.320 really like the nicketine pouches. They're a lot smoother than base. 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:36.479 There's less downside all of these all of these great things, 1:16:36.520 --> 1:16:40.240 the FDA hasn't moved as fast as consumers have. They 1:16:40.439 --> 1:16:43.920 they've moved out of snail's pace, and so consumers have 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:47.680 dried this product, decided that they liked it, and it's 1:16:47.720 --> 1:16:49.920 hard to get what they want because of all of 1:16:49.960 --> 1:16:55.000 the state restrictions on flavors. So who's kind of infilled 1:16:55.000 --> 1:17:00.920 that demand where the states staate block access the listit market, 1:17:01.320 --> 1:17:05.320 and so we're seeing a bunch of counterfeits explode onto 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:08.679 the scene where they look e doctly like the old 1:17:08.720 --> 1:17:11.639 products that people know, but there's new flavors and that's 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:15.120 exactly what consumers want. But they don't know that they're 1:17:15.120 --> 1:17:16.840 getting a sketchy. 1:17:16.479 --> 1:17:19.800 Product, right because they haven't the process. Well, there's a 1:17:19.800 --> 1:17:21.479 fine line of balance there, and I get whether it's 1:17:21.520 --> 1:17:23.519 what Mike DeWine's doing here in Ohio. It's the exact 1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:28.280 same argument we're doing with the THHG and the intoxicating 1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:30.320 hemp as we call it, and what's going on with 1:17:30.400 --> 1:17:36.240 nicotine edibles and the pouches, and that is the government 1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:38.439 will tell you, well, hold on, we need to research 1:17:38.479 --> 1:17:39.880 you and to make sure this stuff is safe to 1:17:39.880 --> 1:17:42.360 be consumed by people. You don't know that if you 1:17:42.400 --> 1:17:44.320 go to your comedience store, you don't know if a 1:17:44.400 --> 1:17:47.200 product has been tested or not. And that's that's part 1:17:47.200 --> 1:17:47.920 of the problem. 1:17:47.760 --> 1:17:52.280 Right exactly. Well, I think most consumers go into a 1:17:52.400 --> 1:17:55.400 store and they see something on the shelf and they go, oh, yeah, 1:17:55.560 --> 1:17:59.040 this is this is perfectly safe they're getting. It's getting 1:17:59.080 --> 1:18:02.640 told to me, and there's there's there's there might be 1:18:02.720 --> 1:18:05.560 some risks, like they know when they buy cigarettes or 1:18:05.560 --> 1:18:07.760 when they buy a vase, when they buy any sort 1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:10.880 of products, that there's a downside, but they aren't going 1:18:10.920 --> 1:18:13.080 in there thinking that it could be a counterfeit. And 1:18:13.120 --> 1:18:16.640 I think that's where it's really scary and dangerous, is 1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:19.240 that they think that they're buying a real product, and 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:22.519 with the nicotine pouches, they it's a harm reduction tool. 1:18:22.560 --> 1:18:25.400 They think that they're buying something that's safer for them, 1:18:26.080 --> 1:18:30.519 and really it's it's a counterfeit and and it's it's 1:18:30.600 --> 1:18:34.240 not meeting the needs. And the reason the reason why 1:18:34.280 --> 1:18:37.320 we have all of these restrictions on the nicotine pouches 1:18:37.479 --> 1:18:40.839 is what they always say is for the safety of children. 1:18:41.200 --> 1:18:44.760 So children aren't getting these products. But we we've all 1:18:44.800 --> 1:18:47.880 been teenagers. We know how, we know how teams are. 1:18:47.920 --> 1:18:49.760 They're going to get their hands on what they want 1:18:49.800 --> 1:18:53.200 to and now the market is even more dangerous because 1:18:53.200 --> 1:18:57.800 the market is filled with counterfeits because we restricted it 1:18:57.960 --> 1:19:00.679 for the safety of these teams. But now the teams 1:19:00.680 --> 1:19:03.080 are getting what they're getting the counterfeit. 1:19:02.680 --> 1:19:06.200 Product right right, So what it would happen basically politically speaking, 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:08.720 is a lot of progressives, for example, and some conservatives 1:19:08.760 --> 1:19:10.800 what we'll talk about, well, this is why we need 1:19:10.840 --> 1:19:12.760 a strong FDA, and this is you know, you're you're 1:19:12.800 --> 1:19:14.680 just gonna fast track all this stuff and put all 1:19:14.720 --> 1:19:17.439 these more poisons on the market, and they're getting on 1:19:17.479 --> 1:19:20.479 the market anyway, to ignore the what the black market 1:19:20.560 --> 1:19:24.960 is created, whether it's THC drinks or edibles or in 1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:28.639 this case, nicotine pouches and pretty much everything else. They've 1:19:29.000 --> 1:19:31.240 they've got to meet consumer demand head on, and you 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:33.519 don't do that by Okay, in five years, we're gonna 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:35.120 have research and we'll find out whether or not we're 1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:37.360 all lot of this stuff and that's gonna get polluted 1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:40.320 down by lobby groups and everything else, or just simply 1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:44.759 you know, if you're if you're anti edible or vape 1:19:44.840 --> 1:19:48.960 or nicotine, You're you're gonna shoot this thing down. Whatever. 1:19:48.960 --> 1:19:51.960 The the corporate policy is, so to speak, the party policy. 1:19:52.040 --> 1:19:54.519 So this stuff have to be faster. We got to 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:56.519 do a better job of saying, Okay, well it's not 1:19:56.600 --> 1:19:58.519 the best thing you can put in your body, but 1:19:59.439 --> 1:20:02.640 at least there's mercury or serious harmful chemicals in it. 1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:04.800 We need to test this stuff and screen it much 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:07.800 much faster. But that's the reality here. 1:20:07.840 --> 1:20:11.519 Can we actually change that, though we definitely can. 1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:17.919 These products have been available in the europe market for chuckies. 1:20:18.520 --> 1:20:20.920 We know that they're safe. We don't need to going 1:20:21.000 --> 1:20:23.960 through a whole new approval process. We can look at 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:27.040 these markets that we know and trust and say, okay, 1:20:27.120 --> 1:20:30.280 here's the research that they've produced. It's good to be 1:20:30.360 --> 1:20:35.120 on the US market. Let's fast track it and approve it. Instead, 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:37.839 they're doing the same thing where they did with spates, 1:20:37.920 --> 1:20:41.320 where they blocked good things from getting on the market 1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:44.719 that we knew we're safe and that we knew consumers wanted, 1:20:45.520 --> 1:20:50.760 and instead of approving things, they went and attacked the counterfeits, 1:20:50.840 --> 1:20:53.559 which needs to happen. You need to get the counterfeits 1:20:53.600 --> 1:20:56.840 off the market, but they're ignoring why those counterfeits are 1:20:56.840 --> 1:21:00.680 on the market, and that's to fill the designs of 1:21:00.760 --> 1:21:04.640 the consumers. And so we're seeing the same issue with 1:21:04.920 --> 1:21:08.360 nicotine couches, where they're attacking the counterfeits, but they're not 1:21:08.439 --> 1:21:13.280 addressing why the counterfeits popped up first. And so they 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:16.240 really do need to address the approval process to get 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:20.760 good quality products on the market that adult consumers want, 1:21:20.840 --> 1:21:26.160 and that includes flavors, that includes choice in nicotine percentages. 1:21:26.720 --> 1:21:31.840 And you can't just put this desire to have prohibition, 1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:40.360 especially among teenagers, to harming adult consumers because everyone will 1:21:40.400 --> 1:21:42.720 be worse off if you take away that change. 1:21:42.760 --> 1:21:44.840 And that was Governor Mike Dewines cry here is this 1:21:44.920 --> 1:21:46.479 is about the children. The child. We got to save 1:21:46.520 --> 1:21:49.280 the children because children, I get. Okay, Well, well what 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:53.400 about the retail around of the Sophia Hamilton. You know, 1:21:53.439 --> 1:21:55.720 if I'm a retail what's the retail's perspective on this 1:21:55.840 --> 1:21:57.439 or some instiga. I don't care what's in it, even 1:21:57.439 --> 1:21:58.960 if it's poison. I'll sell it to him because I 1:21:59.320 --> 1:22:01.240 need to make money my carry out. It's certainly not 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:03.840 all retailers. I don't see the big box stores or 1:22:04.000 --> 1:22:06.839 you know, the Krogers of the world, for example, shelving 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:09.720 this stuff. But you know, at the same time, the 1:22:09.960 --> 1:22:12.920 little guy at the corner, what's the process for them? 1:22:12.920 --> 1:22:14.599 They're trying to keep their head above water to I 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:16.320 get it, but I don't think i'd want to make 1:22:16.320 --> 1:22:18.960 my money, you know, selling the kids. Some people are 1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:21.400 going to do that. Seems like it's an enforcement issue. 1:22:22.560 --> 1:22:27.680 Yeah, there are enforcement issues, but they're smart. They're going 1:22:27.760 --> 1:22:31.479 to find someone who's above the legal age to buy 1:22:31.479 --> 1:22:34.519 the product for them or have a fake idea. There's 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:38.280 definitely ways. It's really not that complicated for them to 1:22:38.360 --> 1:22:41.439 find ways to get these products in a reliable manner. 1:22:42.200 --> 1:22:46.280 And I think it's fairs not want teenagers to be 1:22:46.360 --> 1:22:50.160 using these products, especially if they've never used other nicotine products. 1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:53.680 You don't want to get them addicted. But they're going 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:55.439 to do what they want to do. At the end 1:22:55.520 --> 1:22:58.240 of the day, they're going to drink even though drinking 1:22:58.320 --> 1:23:01.479 age is at twenty one. Aids to consume nicodinie and 1:23:01.520 --> 1:23:05.000 tobacco is also at twenty one, and we were all 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:06.439 in college at one point. 1:23:06.520 --> 1:23:13.120 But I just this this desire to go through tulibition policies, 1:23:13.160 --> 1:23:16.000 and we've seen them fail time and time again with 1:23:16.200 --> 1:23:20.800 so many different substances. Is the silliest thing in my mind. 1:23:20.880 --> 1:23:23.080 We've seen it fail. Why are we trying to do 1:23:23.120 --> 1:23:26.880 it again? Because it's hurting retailers, like you said, it's 1:23:26.960 --> 1:23:31.120 hurting consumers, it's hurting the companies, and it's hurting the 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:36.480 local economies because you get so much money from taxes 1:23:36.560 --> 1:23:39.320 on these products, right, and so you're trying to prohibit 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:41.639 it and you're putting it into the black market where 1:23:41.680 --> 1:23:45.040 you're the state is no longer able to get the 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:48.120 accise taxes from these products. So it's really just the 1:23:48.200 --> 1:23:51.120 loose situation all around. 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:53.280 No question. And you know the fact of the matter 1:23:53.400 --> 1:23:56.479 is the government can never keep up with demand. They 1:23:56.479 --> 1:23:58.320 need to move a lot faster, be a lot leaner. 1:23:58.800 --> 1:24:02.080 That makes capitalism work better. Certainly, we don't want poisons 1:24:02.400 --> 1:24:04.960 going to convenience stores or our bodies. We assume that 1:24:05.040 --> 1:24:07.120 a lot of stuff is tested. But the way the 1:24:07.120 --> 1:24:10.240 model set up, the big tobacco companies that have all 1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:12.920 sorts of research and development and backing and money coming 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:17.320 or talking billions, and publicly traded companies, they can afford 1:24:17.439 --> 1:24:21.599 to play the regulation game like Zen, for example, simply 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:24.240 because they have the what about the mom and pop 1:24:24.280 --> 1:24:26.160 the entrepreneurs. And the same is true when it comes 1:24:26.160 --> 1:24:28.800 to THHD and fused drinks. You know, I mean, you know, 1:24:28.840 --> 1:24:32.080 Anheuser Busch may be able to put a product out 1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:35.200 that rivals at but something like fifty West here in Cincinnati, 1:24:35.240 --> 1:24:38.120 when they roll a THHC infused product, they don't have 1:24:38.360 --> 1:24:40.280 the backing, the wherewith all the R and D to 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:43.120 be able to afford all the regulatory red tape to 1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:46.519 get the government seal of approval. That just stemy small 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:49.880 and mid sized businesses, doesn't it exactly? 1:24:50.520 --> 1:24:57.120 Going through the approval process takes good years and countless 1:24:57.280 --> 1:25:02.400 countless dollars. Zen just speaking, the first company to be 1:25:02.479 --> 1:25:06.120 approved to market to adult consumers in the US their 1:25:06.200 --> 1:25:10.839 nicotine pouches in January of this year. The first company. 1:25:10.880 --> 1:25:16.320 They're a giant company international, and that took in years 1:25:16.360 --> 1:25:19.000 and years to get that first stamp of approval. That's 1:25:19.040 --> 1:25:24.320 not even the end process. Most companies cannot wait that long, 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:28.439 and so it's an incredibly difficult process to go through. 1:25:28.479 --> 1:25:33.280 It's also very very confusing and long, and the sea 1:25:33.520 --> 1:25:37.639 is has a huge backlog or records long backlog, and 1:25:37.840 --> 1:25:42.240 most companies just cannot survive that weight to get the approval. 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:46.000 And that's where you're seeing good competition get for shout 1:25:46.040 --> 1:25:48.439 of the way, while we have the door wide open 1:25:48.960 --> 1:25:51.920 for counterfeits where we don't know what's what's even in 1:25:52.000 --> 1:25:55.120 them because there's no there's no approval process, there's no 1:25:55.200 --> 1:25:56.160 regulation there. 1:25:56.360 --> 1:25:59.879 I know what no one's saying. Nicotine is you certainly 1:26:00.200 --> 1:26:02.439 you can get sick. You can overdose on nicotine for 1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:04.400 that matter too. But you know, it seems to me 1:26:04.520 --> 1:26:07.879 a better alternative than traditional tobacco would be VP products, 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:10.680 but especially nicotine pouches that you put between your lip 1:26:10.720 --> 1:26:13.920 and gum. It's not a cant it's not a carcinogen 1:26:14.000 --> 1:26:17.080 in the way that the traditional snuffs and dip and 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:20.040 smoking is. And so you know, if you're worried about 1:26:20.120 --> 1:26:22.639 the future generations and lung cancer and cancer as well, 1:26:22.840 --> 1:26:25.479 this seems like to be a good alternative. It's that perfect. 1:26:25.640 --> 1:26:28.400 I'm not saying it doesn't have harmful effects, but it's 1:26:28.400 --> 1:26:30.320 certainly a lot less than what the alternative is or 1:26:30.360 --> 1:26:31.400 the traditional methods are. 1:26:32.600 --> 1:26:36.639 Exactly. It's a harm reduction tool because it is more 1:26:36.760 --> 1:26:39.840 safe than the other products that are out there. So 1:26:39.880 --> 1:26:43.800 if you're going to be consuming nicotine, this is the 1:26:43.840 --> 1:26:48.680 safest way that you can do it. And there's still downsides. 1:26:48.720 --> 1:26:53.040 You can have some irritation, stomach upside, but you know, 1:26:53.400 --> 1:26:57.600 I'm sitting here drinking of coffee and there's similar downside 1:26:58.000 --> 1:27:00.960 to coffee as well with nicotine. So this is really 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:04.400 the safest way that you can consume the product. And 1:27:04.439 --> 1:27:08.000 it's it's funny to see all of the restrictions when 1:27:08.000 --> 1:27:10.920 you can easily go and buy a pack of cigarette still, 1:27:11.439 --> 1:27:14.240 and so all of these, all of these barriers that 1:27:14.280 --> 1:27:18.240 we're putting up to a less harmful product and placing 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:20.479 more taxes on it. 1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:23.840 It's it just does not make sense if the end 1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:27.800 goal is to have people consuming in a safer way. 1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:31.600 It really does seem like the end goal is prohibition 1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:34.120 and abstinence from any subject. 1:27:34.160 --> 1:27:36.160 Well, I think the other leg of the stool here 1:27:36.200 --> 1:27:38.479 between you know, companies and the government of the fact 1:27:38.560 --> 1:27:42.599 of the the big business that is the health prevention 1:27:42.680 --> 1:27:44.840 people or the health the health people. Right, the long 1:27:44.880 --> 1:27:48.920 association heard association where association it might be, is when 1:27:49.160 --> 1:27:51.880 the vaping trend started to take years and years ago. 1:27:52.520 --> 1:27:54.960 What surprised me is some of the same people that said, 1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:57.160 oh my god, we've got to sue tobacco companies out 1:27:57.160 --> 1:27:59.320 of existence and they're they're killing people and they are 1:28:00.120 --> 1:28:02.240 vaping seemed a good way to wean yourself off of 1:28:02.280 --> 1:28:04.680 traditional tobacco. And yet they fought just as hard as 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:07.559 they did against traditional tobacco, is it against vape? And 1:28:07.600 --> 1:28:10.280 some of them are fighting against nicotine pouches And I'm like, 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:13.360 that's a much safer alternative to what you got. So 1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:15.200 if you, you know, if you stamp out the problem, 1:28:15.240 --> 1:28:16.519 not that you know, we I don't know what the 1:28:16.520 --> 1:28:18.559 smoking levels, but they're nowhere near where they used to be. 1:28:19.400 --> 1:28:21.240 Now your organization sees too, Is this so we have 1:28:21.280 --> 1:28:23.840 to find the next boogeyman in order to keep our funding. 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:28.960 Exactly exactly And what they will never say is that 1:28:29.680 --> 1:28:32.800 they'll never point to the tobacco studies that are done 1:28:32.840 --> 1:28:35.759 at the national level that show our youth in adult 1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:40.080 smoking rates are at a historic flow. They will never 1:28:40.200 --> 1:28:43.280 point that out. And why is that? Because of new 1:28:43.360 --> 1:28:48.000 products like nicotine pouches, And they just want to demonize 1:28:48.000 --> 1:28:50.840 this because they think it's from the same old big 1:28:50.920 --> 1:28:55.920 tobacco of two decades before. And know these these are 1:28:55.960 --> 1:29:00.679 companies that want to have safer alternatives for or their 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:05.280 for their client base because they know what their consumers want. 1:29:05.920 --> 1:29:09.080 And I'll go when I testify on these issues to 1:29:09.120 --> 1:29:14.679 state legislators. The people that are arguing against against access 1:29:14.680 --> 1:29:19.000 to these good products are not based in reality. They 1:29:19.000 --> 1:29:22.920 really are, I think, just trying to keep their jobs, 1:29:23.080 --> 1:29:26.760 arguing against big tobacco in their minds right, and they 1:29:26.760 --> 1:29:30.960 will argue that nicotine is as harmful and astive as 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:36.519 substances like heroin. And I hear that line so many 1:29:36.600 --> 1:29:39.400 times and it's the funniest thing to me. But it's 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:41.919 sad because they think it's rooted in reality. 1:29:41.920 --> 1:29:43.879 It's any bits. 1:29:43.200 --> 1:29:44.720 Laugh at the the What we got to do is 1:29:44.800 --> 1:29:47.040 to save the children because children are being corrupted in 1:29:47.080 --> 1:29:49.360 their bank And do agree, you know could children should 1:29:49.360 --> 1:29:52.519 not be buying intoxicating hemp products your carry out, But 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:54.679 that is not a reason to shut the entire industry 1:29:54.720 --> 1:29:57.639 down because somebody adults enjoy it. Uh, you know, whether 1:29:57.640 --> 1:30:02.000 it's THG drinks or nicotine pouches or vaping, it's the 1:30:02.000 --> 1:30:05.040 same predictable argument from the Pearl clutters about you know, 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:07.280 protecting the show. We've got to shut that on protected children, 1:30:07.560 --> 1:30:09.800 damn it, what the adult market wants. We've got to 1:30:09.800 --> 1:30:12.280 do this to save the children, which they're doing at 1:30:12.320 --> 1:30:16.320 the behest of well, the big health organizations as we mentioned, 1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:19.960 as well as the big tobacco companies that are getting 1:30:20.000 --> 1:30:23.360 decreasing revenue from tobacco here in the States, and so 1:30:23.400 --> 1:30:26.360 they supplant that income and keep their shareholders happy with 1:30:26.400 --> 1:30:29.160 something else. With us. Nicotine pouches are vape that shouldn't 1:30:29.160 --> 1:30:31.160 price out the little guy though, and that's what's happening here, 1:30:31.200 --> 1:30:34.719 whether it's fifty West or you know somebody who's selling 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:39.160 vape juice to a local supplier. Anyway, Sophia Hamilton writing 1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:41.680 about this in Reason she's with the Young Voices and 1:30:41.720 --> 1:30:43.040 thanks again, so we appreciate it. 1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:45.960 Thank you so much for having me on Scott. I 1:30:46.000 --> 1:30:46.639 appreciate it. 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:50.000 Be well, good stuff there, and that's the libertary inside 1:30:50.000 --> 1:30:52.200 of me coming out. And I'm not saying you open 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:54.400 it all up and it's a free There has to 1:30:54.439 --> 1:30:57.400 be reasonable amounts of testing to make sure the product's 1:30:57.520 --> 1:30:59.719 safe as safe as it could be. But It shouldn't 1:30:59.720 --> 1:31:01.960 take thatdes and it shouldn't be only available to the 1:31:01.960 --> 1:31:04.880 big pocketed companies. You can afford that Scott's Loan show 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:07.320 with News on the way. And when we returned, what 1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:12.720 the no King's protests refused to accept the protesters and 1:31:12.800 --> 1:31:15.080 I get what you're complaining about when I sort of do. 1:31:15.160 --> 1:31:17.120 It's a bunch of people complaining about different things. And 1:31:17.160 --> 1:31:19.880 that's not one unified protest that just comes out as 1:31:19.920 --> 1:31:21.799 we hate Trump. We'll get into that next seven hundred 1:31:21.960 --> 1:31:27.400 WLWT Scott Flung Show, seven hundred. That lou hest is fascinating, 1:31:28.160 --> 1:31:32.040 absolutely fascinating. That ladders leaning up against the building. Already, 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:34.360 no one saw that coming. You saw a ladder there went. 1:31:34.680 --> 1:31:37.120 It's kind of security issue and somebody breaks in. When 1:31:37.120 --> 1:31:40.120 then what seven to ten minutes took off with a 1:31:40.160 --> 1:31:43.320 portion of the French Crown jewels and Napoleon jewels. That's 1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:47.720 pretty Uh, it's actually a pretty pink Panther. I'm not 1:31:47.800 --> 1:31:49.439 talking about the Steve Martin one. I'm talking about the 1:31:49.439 --> 1:31:53.200 oldscho If you're old enough, remember, uh was that Peter 1:31:53.320 --> 1:31:56.200 Sellers in the Pink Panther movies? The minute that story 1:31:56.280 --> 1:31:59.200 broke well, you have France. We have a jewelized Where 1:31:59.400 --> 1:32:04.280 is inspector gluso? That's not the med dig All right, 1:32:04.400 --> 1:32:07.240 go look it up, kids, go look it up. Home 1:32:07.240 --> 1:32:10.559 stretcher will he takes over at twelve o'clock. And uh, 1:32:10.680 --> 1:32:14.400 this weekend we had the No Kings rally. I did, 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:16.720 actually I did the Little King's rally myself. I was 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:20.160 rallying for some Little Kings because start on Friday afternoon 1:32:20.160 --> 1:32:24.280 and don't until Saturday night. Anyway, looked like pretty decent 1:32:24.320 --> 1:32:27.479 turnouts this weekend if you're into protests and estimated I 1:32:27.520 --> 1:32:29.920 think they said seven million nationally, big group of people 1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:33.680 at small riverfront Park and elsewhere. And uh, I know 1:32:33.720 --> 1:32:36.839 our Republicans will brand this is a hate America rally. 1:32:38.000 --> 1:32:41.679 I mean, come on, you know some people may hate 1:32:41.680 --> 1:32:44.040 America in that group, sure, but I mean one could 1:32:44.040 --> 1:32:45.720 say it's a hate America rally. You could say the 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:49.480 same thing about Jay six, you know, trying to unsuccessfully 1:32:49.479 --> 1:32:53.160 subvert the Constitution, because the MyPillow guy said so that 1:32:53.280 --> 1:32:56.120 just seems like hack politics and a hacked defense. I 1:32:56.280 --> 1:32:58.360 don't you know. I thought the No Kings rally was 1:32:58.400 --> 1:33:02.320 stupid for different reasons because typically in these things. It's 1:33:02.439 --> 1:33:07.680 just the it's it's a bunch of aggrieved progressives with 1:33:07.800 --> 1:33:11.759 different causes and different you know, anger points and talking 1:33:11.800 --> 1:33:16.240 points and assorted beefs under the common threat of we 1:33:16.280 --> 1:33:20.240 hate Trump, and it's just more of the same participant 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:21.960 in groups include you had the a c LU there, 1:33:22.000 --> 1:33:24.599 you had teachers unions, you had the Human Rights Campaign, 1:33:24.720 --> 1:33:27.920 you had Indivisible and move on. I'm not quite you're indivisible, 1:33:27.960 --> 1:33:30.120 but move on, we know goes back to the move 1:33:30.160 --> 1:33:34.639 on from the war. Nonetheless, it's a bunch of people 1:33:34.680 --> 1:33:38.000 with various indifferent interests, but the same hate for Trump, 1:33:38.080 --> 1:33:40.240 I guess. And that doesn't to me. It's like, okay, well, 1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:42.559 what else is new? What else do you have? It's 1:33:42.560 --> 1:33:45.240 not like one central thing. It's just well, you know, 1:33:45.320 --> 1:33:47.439 it is alone. It's fascism, that's what it is. It's 1:33:47.520 --> 1:33:49.320 it's fair. I mean, just look at the Young Republican 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:53.240 chats for example. That's fascism. It's you know, Trump's a 1:33:53.280 --> 1:33:55.240 lot of things, and some of it I like, some 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:59.160 of it I don't like. But the whole tired fascism trope. 1:34:00.479 --> 1:34:04.160 Every time there's a Republican it's fashion. Reagan was a fascist, 1:34:04.600 --> 1:34:07.439 when I was younger, and then every Republican between is 1:34:07.479 --> 1:34:12.519 a fascist. It's fascism is closer ideologically to communism, you know, 1:34:12.600 --> 1:34:15.879 So you have Marxist socialism, you have capitalism, liberal capitalism, 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:18.000 that's a blend of that. So and then all you're 1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:19.960 doing is to you're taking public and private sectors and 1:34:20.000 --> 1:34:23.439 putting under a central government and central ideology. So privately, yeah, 1:34:23.479 --> 1:34:26.200 you can have private industry, but the ultimate authority is 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:28.440 the state, and so you've got a lot of censorship. 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:32.400 And I just I don't see how someone who has 1:34:32.439 --> 1:34:37.400 a track record of being anti authoritarian and a capitalist 1:34:38.920 --> 1:34:42.400 is a fascist. That's again, Dondrup, you call what you want, 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:46.720 but fascist is such a it's such a character, that's incorrect. 1:34:47.040 --> 1:34:50.120 You know, Fascists winn to point judges and jurists who 1:34:50.479 --> 1:34:53.240 want to minimize the authority in federal government. It's exact opposite. 1:34:56.000 --> 1:35:00.639 The real problem, though, are the executive orders. Now we've 1:35:00.640 --> 1:35:02.760 had a decreased, believe it or not, of all things, 1:35:02.760 --> 1:35:04.400 in the number of execut doors issue if you look 1:35:04.439 --> 1:35:08.280 at presidencies over the last twenty years, and recent presidents 1:35:08.280 --> 1:35:11.040 have seemingly man they're just doing everything by executive order, 1:35:11.880 --> 1:35:13.640 which is sure like for the front part of the 1:35:13.640 --> 1:35:16.400 front loadings increased thematically, Like Trump signed I think one 1:35:16.479 --> 1:35:18.880 hundred and forty three executive orders in the first hundred days, 1:35:19.840 --> 1:35:22.400 Franklin Roosevelt saying ninety nine. But by the way, Franklin 1:35:22.479 --> 1:35:25.280 Roosevelt is the goat when it comes to executive orders. 1:35:25.840 --> 1:35:28.640 He wrote over thirty seven hundred of them during his 1:35:28.760 --> 1:35:31.320 years as president. Of course, that spanned an ungodly amount 1:35:31.320 --> 1:35:35.000 of time. He was in office for like forty five years. 1:35:35.640 --> 1:35:37.680 And you know most you're going to get now is 1:35:37.720 --> 1:35:41.200 two two terms, so that with a grand assault. However, 1:35:42.000 --> 1:35:43.519 I think part of the issue here is the numbers 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:47.479 have declined, but they become more political, and they're front loaded, 1:35:47.520 --> 1:35:49.840 and it's all part and parcel to send you to 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:53.000 the politics to discuss most of us, it'd be the 1:35:53.000 --> 1:35:56.360 partisan warfare to just make a lot of sense. You can 1:35:56.400 --> 1:36:00.559 talk about well, for example, Obama himself, DACA is a 1:36:00.840 --> 1:36:04.759 Obama edict, so was a clean Power Plan, but also 1:36:04.880 --> 1:36:07.360 the Affordable Care Act. A lot of that got done 1:36:07.400 --> 1:36:10.200 because well, let's face it, the executive order and then 1:36:10.240 --> 1:36:12.200 Biden picked right back up on this other thing got 1:36:12.240 --> 1:36:15.280 ChRI Oh my God, he's subverting congresses. He's a titan, 1:36:15.439 --> 1:36:18.320 and he's a fascist because he's a king because he 1:36:18.400 --> 1:36:20.679 just writes these executive orders. Hold up just a second, 1:36:20.680 --> 1:36:25.519 they're skipping now. You got to point that dirty uder 1:36:25.520 --> 1:36:27.719 the stick at yourself somewhat here, because your boy Biden 1:36:28.240 --> 1:36:31.479 in his first month signed I think twenty executive or 1:36:32.280 --> 1:36:34.559 was like somewhere are on twenty in the first two days, 1:36:34.600 --> 1:36:37.120 I think, first forty eight hours, and he went nuts 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:39.880 with the pen and one of the things he was 1:36:39.920 --> 1:36:43.720 into was DEI. So this whole anti woke field that 1:36:43.760 --> 1:36:48.719 came about is because of he writing single handedly executive 1:36:48.840 --> 1:36:52.480 orders leading to the DEI policies that have been refuted 1:36:52.520 --> 1:36:56.799 now by Republicans who are in charge. It's like, okay, well, 1:36:57.080 --> 1:37:01.639 you're celebrating the fact that Biden and expanded DEI training 1:37:01.680 --> 1:37:04.559 in that the you know, uh, there's equitable treatment in 1:37:04.600 --> 1:37:07.640 the government workforce when it comes to people, and uh, 1:37:07.800 --> 1:37:10.759 there's advanced pay to address racial and gender pay gaps 1:37:10.800 --> 1:37:13.160 and all this other noise and nonsense. Then about half 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:16.800 the country are more disagree with like the gender pay gap. Well, 1:37:17.320 --> 1:37:19.920 you know gender Okay, why do women make less than men? Well, 1:37:20.320 --> 1:37:24.000 women take time out to have kids, or they leave 1:37:24.040 --> 1:37:26.080 the workforce for a while and then raise kids and 1:37:26.120 --> 1:37:28.000 come back to the workforce later like my wife did. 1:37:28.680 --> 1:37:30.280 Should you just pick up where you left off? And 1:37:30.280 --> 1:37:32.639 they're like, well, just because of age, now you get 1:37:33.080 --> 1:37:34.640 x amount of how you get paid the same as 1:37:34.680 --> 1:37:36.920 a person who's been in that position a lot longer 1:37:36.920 --> 1:37:38.240 than you have to No, of course that doesn't make 1:37:38.280 --> 1:37:40.559 any sense. I mean, if that were the case, no 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:43.920 one would ever hire a guy. Everyone in the workforce. 1:37:43.960 --> 1:37:45.880 If you're a woman, you're willing to work for less, 1:37:45.960 --> 1:37:48.400 you know, seventy seventy cents on seventy seven cents on 1:37:48.439 --> 1:37:52.920 the dollar. Companies above us want profit right, And if 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:54.360 you look at the botom lines, so well, why we're 1:37:54.400 --> 1:37:56.880 hiring guys, We just hired a bunch of women. They're 1:37:56.880 --> 1:37:58.960 willing to work for less. It's the same reason we 1:37:59.000 --> 1:38:01.519 outsourced jobs of different countries because of the wage scale. 1:38:01.920 --> 1:38:04.840 Is the stupidest argument ever. But that's something he signed 1:38:04.880 --> 1:38:11.000 into law by executive order or Climate Action for that matter. 1:38:11.040 --> 1:38:12.600 You know, canceling the first thing he did, cancel the 1:38:12.640 --> 1:38:15.360 Keystone XL pipeline. Well, how's that looking when we know 1:38:15.360 --> 1:38:17.800 we're getting our fuel from our enemies. How's that looking? 1:38:17.880 --> 1:38:19.680 Gas prices up here? Four or five dollars? Again, not 1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:21.880 a good idea. It's not a good look, Joe. You know, 1:38:21.920 --> 1:38:24.960 you can wish that we're all in a new energy 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:27.800 economy where everything's a windmill or a battery or whether 1:38:27.880 --> 1:38:29.880 the sun or whatever, but we're not anywhere close to 1:38:29.920 --> 1:38:31.240 doing that right now. We still have a good one 1:38:31.280 --> 1:38:34.800 hundred plus years of relying on petroleum. Just the way 1:38:34.840 --> 1:38:36.760 things are set up doesn't mean you can't do better 1:38:36.800 --> 1:38:39.360 and work towards it. But again with the subsidy that 1:38:39.479 --> 1:38:42.240 winds up costing a lot more, and again with the 1:38:42.520 --> 1:38:46.200 pushing the agenda rather than reality. But the same people 1:38:46.200 --> 1:38:49.400 are out there protesting in the No King's rally. We're 1:38:49.439 --> 1:38:53.000 celebrating Joe Biden and Obar Barack Obama for Affordable Care Act, 1:38:53.040 --> 1:38:57.800 which is again more subsidy. But climate and DEI and 1:38:57.880 --> 1:39:00.920 all these things. Where were you? Why are you protesting 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:04.240 the fascism in the king then, when the king on 1:39:04.280 --> 1:39:09.080 your side, your king, was doing all this stuff. So 1:39:09.280 --> 1:39:10.639 I look at this and I just kind of smile 1:39:10.720 --> 1:39:14.200 and laugh because I realized the nonsensical nature of partisan 1:39:14.240 --> 1:39:17.439 politics and the culture wars feed into this whole narrative. 1:39:18.320 --> 1:39:21.680 You Ca'm sorry, it seems disingenuous to me for you 1:39:21.760 --> 1:39:25.080 to be protesting and burning an effigy the president, and 1:39:25.120 --> 1:39:27.280 I certainly am not the biggest Trump fan of this 1:39:27.400 --> 1:39:29.640 radio station. Some stuff I look at it and go 1:39:29.720 --> 1:39:31.880 pretty good. Other stuff I look at, I go, I 1:39:31.880 --> 1:39:34.200 don't get it. The tariff, I don't get it. Some 1:39:34.240 --> 1:39:36.360 of the stuff he says. I get it, but I'm 1:39:36.400 --> 1:39:38.280 calling it like I see it. And if you're gonna 1:39:38.280 --> 1:39:40.760 be out there upset that this guy is a dictator 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:43.400 in your opinion, and a fascist and whatever other ist 1:39:43.439 --> 1:39:48.840 it is wrongly labeled, I'll add then I would suggest, Okay, 1:39:48.840 --> 1:39:51.400 where were you when your guy was doing this just 1:39:51.439 --> 1:39:54.200 a few years ago. Nowhere to be found, because it 1:39:54.280 --> 1:39:57.080 supported things that you believe in your core, and that 1:39:57.120 --> 1:39:58.800 indeed is the problem. That's why we need a rule 1:39:58.840 --> 1:40:00.320 of law and things to a plot all of us 1:40:00.360 --> 1:40:02.880 the same way. I suppose, it's like turning a blind 1:40:02.880 --> 1:40:05.280 eye towards our it's our guy, so he can cheat 1:40:05.320 --> 1:40:07.759 the system and do the same things. Now we're accusing 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:09.599 the other side of you, much like what's going on 1:40:09.680 --> 1:40:13.640 with the young Republicans Tech scandal. There are a lot 1:40:13.680 --> 1:40:18.080 of outrage Democrats and enters our outrage Republicans too. But 1:40:18.439 --> 1:40:20.679 you know, let's not forget. We also just went through 1:40:20.680 --> 1:40:24.280 this period where we had we had lawmakers with some 1:40:24.400 --> 1:40:28.760 avowed anti semitism publicly being anti Semitic, and there wasn't 1:40:28.760 --> 1:40:32.040 any fallout from that from from your party or Charlie 1:40:32.080 --> 1:40:35.680 Kirk's assassination or anything along those lines. It's just, you know, 1:40:35.720 --> 1:40:38.240 you'll taller if you're drinking the political kool aid. You 1:40:38.240 --> 1:40:42.519 will tolerate your side's beliefs and then of course absolutely 1:40:42.560 --> 1:40:45.960 obliterate the other side when they're guilty of something that 1:40:46.000 --> 1:40:48.800 didn't defend you previously. It's just while the rest of 1:40:48.880 --> 1:40:50.320 us in the middle just throw our hands up and go, 1:40:50.479 --> 1:40:52.200 this is stupid. Where are we getting with all this? 1:40:52.360 --> 1:40:56.559 We're getting nowhere. And whether it's Trump or Biden, they 1:40:56.600 --> 1:40:59.920 both you know, they're using executive orders aggressively when there 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:03.439 is gridlock. They got to focus on the core issues 1:41:03.479 --> 1:41:08.280 to their constituency. And you're gonna get court challenges and 1:41:08.320 --> 1:41:10.280 there's gonna be some reversals in there as well. And 1:41:10.439 --> 1:41:11.920 now it seems like court spends a lot of time 1:41:11.960 --> 1:41:14.720 reversing the executive orders, and then this is why the 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:16.240 President gets up and says, this is why we got 1:41:16.280 --> 1:41:18.679 to change things. Otherwise nothing can get done. And we've 1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:20.840 got this incredible gridlock in our country that I don't 1:41:20.880 --> 1:41:22.599 have to tell you have a government shutdown. That shut 1:41:22.600 --> 1:41:25.720 down over well, an issue that's not going away anytime soon. 1:41:26.120 --> 1:41:28.639 As I pointed out, we're shutting the government down over 1:41:28.640 --> 1:41:31.000 the core issue is healthcare. And the reason why we're 1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:33.120 doing that is because it's the one single issue that 1:41:33.160 --> 1:41:36.320 Democrats have on their side. Everything else they lose to 1:41:36.320 --> 1:41:38.960 Trump and the GOP on when it comes to public opinion. 1:41:39.160 --> 1:41:41.599 They've got one thing. Well, I think it's the equal 1:41:41.640 --> 1:41:44.479 pay thing, you know, workplace that that doesn't really that's 1:41:44.520 --> 1:41:46.519 not getting a lot of traction because look at how 1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:49.799 well women are doing from college on upward. You're excelling. 1:41:49.840 --> 1:41:52.880 Good for you, that's good. Unfortunately, I think it comes 1:41:52.920 --> 1:41:55.680 at the expense of a lot of young men. And 1:41:55.840 --> 1:41:57.439 at the same time, one of the other issues that 1:41:57.439 --> 1:41:59.920 they have is healthcare. They went on healthcare, they have 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:04.120 a plan, No, they've got a band aid, they've got relief. 1:42:04.280 --> 1:42:06.920 A subsidy doesn't fix the problem. That healthcare is too 1:42:06.960 --> 1:42:10.280 damned expensive, but at least it's something to go, Hey, 1:42:10.320 --> 1:42:12.720 we're giving you temporary relief to help you pay your 1:42:12.720 --> 1:42:16.200 healthcare bills. I talk to Republicans about this, and it's well, 1:42:16.280 --> 1:42:19.479 we need to get America healthy again. Okay, that's great. 1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:22.920 Well we also need to we have more accountability, and 1:42:22.960 --> 1:42:25.000 we need more competition. Okay, awesome, we need to do that. 1:42:25.040 --> 1:42:28.160 You're right, how does that pay my bill that's due tomorrow? 1:42:28.560 --> 1:42:31.000 And I think that's what most Americans look at, right, Okay, 1:42:31.080 --> 1:42:34.680 I get that the Affordable Care Act is broken and 1:42:34.720 --> 1:42:37.160 it's just a band aid fix. We're just taking money 1:42:37.160 --> 1:42:39.720 we don't have and spending it on this temporarily so 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:41.160 you can get to the next page. It's like a 1:42:41.240 --> 1:42:43.679 paycheck loan for healthcare. It's what it is. It's gonna 1:42:43.680 --> 1:42:45.120 get It's not gonna solve the problem. It's gonna get 1:42:45.120 --> 1:42:47.800 you to the next payday. Okay. But that's something that 1:42:47.840 --> 1:42:49.840 I think working people, a lot of Americans look at. 1:42:49.920 --> 1:42:50.000 Go. 1:42:51.080 --> 1:42:53.560 I don't like it. It cost us more money, but 1:42:53.720 --> 1:42:58.040 till we fix the problem. Fine, but we're not fixing 1:42:58.040 --> 1:43:01.360 the problem. And for republic have an alternative to healthcare, 1:43:01.439 --> 1:43:03.040 sure would love to hear something rather than going, we 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:05.800 got to make America healthy again. Great, we'll teach kids 1:43:05.800 --> 1:43:09.040 to eat carrots, we will tea which, by the way, 1:43:09.080 --> 1:43:10.840 I think Michelle Obama tried to do that and then 1:43:10.880 --> 1:43:14.160 she got left out of the building on relic. We're 1:43:14.160 --> 1:43:18.000 gonna make kids eat carrots again. Uh, politics is such 1:43:18.000 --> 1:43:20.519 a joke. So I look at the whole thing and 1:43:20.600 --> 1:43:22.920 all right, well, what's the alternative. Well, we're gonna teach 1:43:22.960 --> 1:43:25.080 people how to take how to have a stake in 1:43:25.120 --> 1:43:26.559 their own health and so they do know need too much, 1:43:26.600 --> 1:43:28.880 and they do the right thing and they exercise. Awesome, 1:43:28.920 --> 1:43:30.760 That's that's one good. But what about the forty or 1:43:30.760 --> 1:43:35.120 fifty year old now that can't afford the subsidized HEALTHCA 1:43:35.400 --> 1:43:39.160 the healthcare without a subsidy. Those are great solutions and 1:43:39.200 --> 1:43:42.080 maybe ways to prevent future generations from independent on healthcare, 1:43:42.120 --> 1:43:45.320 But it doesn't fix the here and now, even temporarily. 1:43:45.400 --> 1:43:47.640 So I don't think that's much of a plan. It's 1:43:47.640 --> 1:43:49.800 a platitude. It is what it is. Why not just 1:43:49.840 --> 1:43:51.960 come out, let's say we're gonna blow the healthcare system up. 1:43:52.000 --> 1:43:54.400 The problem, of course, is it's going to be the 1:43:54.400 --> 1:43:57.000 lobby groups. It's going to be the healthcare insurance lobby, 1:43:57.040 --> 1:44:00.280 the doctor's lobby, the pharmaceutical lobby, lobby, lobby lobby that 1:44:00.320 --> 1:44:02.120 gets in the year of lawmakers, both on the left 1:44:02.120 --> 1:44:03.880 and right, and make sure that we have this crappy 1:44:03.920 --> 1:44:08.040 system because whether it's you know, single pair, double pair, 1:44:08.120 --> 1:44:10.960 triple pair, whatever, they're fat and happy and so let's 1:44:11.000 --> 1:44:13.200 not rock the apple cart. The other thing I think, too, 1:44:13.320 --> 1:44:16.120 is that we don't fix the system simply because if 1:44:16.160 --> 1:44:21.439 there's any fallout whatsoever, the party that's responsible for enacting 1:44:21.479 --> 1:44:23.559 the changes, even though they may wholly be better than 1:44:23.600 --> 1:44:26.240 what we have right now, they're going to wind up 1:44:26.280 --> 1:44:28.519 paying in an election if somebody gets sick or somebody 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:30.080 gets left out, or what about that. And you don't 1:44:30.120 --> 1:44:32.320 have carve outs either, So what's the point of having 1:44:32.360 --> 1:44:35.400 a politician. Whole goal of politics and politicians are what 1:44:35.880 --> 1:44:39.160 is to get carve out subsidy and relief for your voters, 1:44:39.280 --> 1:44:42.840 not the other guy, but your voters. And so I 1:44:42.880 --> 1:44:45.240 just don't see a system or healthcare changes anytime soon. 1:44:45.280 --> 1:44:48.160 The simple solution would be to go, you're no longer 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:51.599 allowed to provide healthcare in your workplace. I take an 1:44:51.600 --> 1:44:54.439 executive order, take some big stones too, and it's pretty 1:44:54.479 --> 1:44:56.559 ballsy to go, all right, you're not in the business 1:44:56.560 --> 1:44:58.759 of supplying healthcare, go find it on the free market, 1:44:59.360 --> 1:45:02.559 and that would increase competition, it reduced costs, transparency, other 1:45:02.720 --> 1:45:05.360 government nonsense of go away. And then the people who 1:45:05.360 --> 1:45:07.719 really fell between the cracks, which is a lot of people, 1:45:07.760 --> 1:45:10.679 by the way, we could afford to pay health care 1:45:10.720 --> 1:45:14.559 for them and and still have money left over to 1:45:14.680 --> 1:45:17.600 put towards the deficit. It's an easy solution. But the 1:45:17.600 --> 1:45:21.080 problem is lobbyist, it's Congress, it's politics that are ingrained, 1:45:21.439 --> 1:45:22.920 and this is why we'll have more of the same. 1:45:22.960 --> 1:45:25.560 And for most of us, it's just frustrating, a frustrating 1:45:25.600 --> 1:45:29.840 exercise in a sense that we can see a way 1:45:29.880 --> 1:45:32.040 to make a change here, and that is make more 1:45:32.040 --> 1:45:34.479 of a libertarian kind of argument and going. You buy 1:45:34.520 --> 1:45:36.960 your health insurance on the free market, as you do 1:45:37.000 --> 1:45:40.920 your car insurance, your renter's insurance, your life insurance, whatever 1:45:40.960 --> 1:45:42.920 insurance it, insurance for your dog. It's all in the market. 1:45:43.360 --> 1:45:45.400 It's transparent, it's easy, you pay for it out of 1:45:45.439 --> 1:45:48.400 your own pocket. Used to be that way. And then 1:45:48.640 --> 1:45:51.280 we attach it to employment and that's a whole nother thing, 1:45:51.320 --> 1:45:53.479 especially in the gig economy, because now people want to 1:45:53.520 --> 1:45:55.320 do their own thing and not have to do a 1:45:55.400 --> 1:45:58.320 nine to five, which is a huge boon for our economy. 1:45:58.360 --> 1:46:00.959 On top of this as well, save money and grower economy. 1:46:01.160 --> 1:46:03.479 Sounds like a plan, but this is where we stand 1:46:03.560 --> 1:46:06.080 right now. So the No King's Little King's protest, whatever 1:46:06.120 --> 1:46:09.000 it is, again, it's just more of the same, more noise, 1:46:09.040 --> 1:46:11.560 a bunch of a grieved people with the only commonality 1:46:11.600 --> 1:46:13.920 between them is a fact they don't like Donald Trump 1:46:13.960 --> 1:46:16.800 because he's a fascist, although he's really not. And when 1:46:16.840 --> 1:46:18.960 our guide did the same thing with executive orders, we 1:46:19.040 --> 1:46:21.800 just turned a blind eye, which is the hypocrisy of politics. 1:46:22.840 --> 1:46:25.000 This is a perfect leading for Bill Conningham coming up 1:46:25.040 --> 1:46:26.880 at twelve oh six right after news here on the 1:46:26.920 --> 1:46:30.080 home of the best Bengals coverage seven hundred WWT Cincinnati