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Speaker 2: You know, you you can shave, shower, put on adult

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Speaker 2: Nobody ultimately probably cares. But mid morning, are you really.

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Speaker 3: Wearing the black sackcloth and ash? Did you wear your

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Speaker 1: Whoa?

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Speaker 2: The Broncos just fired Joe Lombardi. Oh my, so that's

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Speaker 2: where we're starting.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Bendy and things I did not think was going

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Speaker 1: Okay, I missed on that one.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, I really trying to keep David's web from

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Speaker 2: You got that press conference in this morning with George

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Speaker 2: Peyton and Sean Payton and and now Joe Lombardi has

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Speaker 2: been fired the Broncos. Okay, Ben our insider, who I

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Speaker 2: would literally be texting right now?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? I did not see

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Speaker 1: the save Davis web move coming.

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Speaker 4: So that's what that looks like to you. Huh Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's probably about right.

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Speaker 1: Huh. I mean you're thinking.

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Speaker 2: He's getting interviews. He didn't get the Bill's job. It's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he was on the I mean he's the

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Speaker 3: if that keeps him or not. But interesting, Wow, that

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Speaker 1: That's a stunner.

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Speaker 2: So here, I was prepared to open the show asking

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Speaker 2: what does this mean for Vance Joseph and we we

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Speaker 2: are not wasting any time here. The Broncos have fired

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi. Our resident NFL and Broncos insider

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Speaker 2: says this is a move to keep Davis Webb, Holy

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Speaker 2: col Dave. Joe Lombardi just got let go. So Dave's

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Speaker 2: got his green tea ready. I agree, we say with

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Speaker 1: Boys, I could see it da good see you guys too.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, man, listen.

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Speaker 2: I had certain thoughts about the way we would open

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Speaker 2: little bit. Now now Ben thinks that's the Davis web thing,

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Speaker 5: What do you think about that? I think that Ben

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Speaker 5: I would be mildly, mildly surprised that Joe was let go.

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Speaker 1: Not not to me.

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Speaker 5: It's not one of these like wait what so yeah,

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Speaker 3: DA's web was still in play for the head coaching

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Speaker 3: job of the Raider, very much in play for the

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Speaker 5: I agreed with you on Ryan's when he said, just

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Speaker 6: You don't think he's gonna get that job. You think

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Speaker 2: Do you hear what Shawn said today when he was asked,

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Speaker 2: This is his response, Well, it.

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Speaker 4: You just started tapping on the podio.

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Speaker 5: So that that was the little competitive fire that I

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Speaker 2: I mean again, I'm it's all speculations this point because

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of different ways to look at this.

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Speaker 1: Inevitably.

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Speaker 2: I guess it all comes back to this is you,

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Speaker 2: This is the guy you didn't want to let out

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think you make this move. I'll put

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Speaker 5: it to you this way. I don't think you make

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think you have to know you're keeping

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that we've we've gotten

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Speaker 3: Solanbardi's worked with Sean Payton for seventeen years in various

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Speaker 1: How long he is, how long they've been together.

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Speaker 2: So you can tie this too as well as you're building,

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Speaker 5: Position coaches spend the most time with individual position players

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Speaker 5: more so than the coordinator, more so than the head coach.

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Speaker 5: They are with those guys a lot, they interact with them,

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Speaker 1: That's that's the beauty.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's the importance of finding the right position coach.

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Speaker 5: Dan Campbell's the head coach. When Joe Lombardi has worked

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Speaker 3: What the third whoever this is, will be the fourth

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Speaker 2: We should play it. Yeah, yeah, for sure, because I

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Speaker 5: He actually turned two loose, but one one you just

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Speaker 5: And it's bad enough if it happens on first and ten,

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Speaker 1: It just is.

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Speaker 3: Off topic. Bill Belichick is not going to be a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw that.

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Speaker 4: Got a weird it's Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I get some people. That's like the Tera Owens

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Speaker 1: He won two Super Bowls?

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Speaker 5: What possibly would be the reason for not voting for

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Speaker 3: Modern offense in the NFL is built off Mike Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the league runs it. Yeah you don't.

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Speaker 5: I mean that should factor in with smart football people.

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Speaker 5: He's won one hundred and I'm not even sure. I'm

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Speaker 3: Be in one hundred and seventy eight games. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 3: here's the thing. But people who have changed the game

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you want.

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Speaker 2: And nobody's talking about the Tom Coughlin coaching tree. Still

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Speaker 1: But come on, compared to.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but.

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Speaker 4: Anyways, so I completely agree with everything he said, Dave.

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Speaker 4: It blows my mind. And this also with the Belichick news.

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Speaker 5: Is yeah, well, I mean it does maybe it maybe

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Speaker 1: I don't know the situation.

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Speaker 5: You mean, Bill Belichick really is not a first ballot

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Speaker 1: Apparently the guy with the third most wins in the league.

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Speaker 5: What what coaches I'm asking for a friend, What coaches

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Speaker 1: Oh? Good question that I have to look up. I

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Speaker 5: Your trivia is more like what your at porn hub

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I have no idea me either. Only

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Speaker 3: so is Lombardi no Curly Lambeau, no Don Shula?

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Speaker 5: Yes, okay, so Don Shula's won and there's two others.

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Speaker 3: Sixty three yes, since sixty three, yes, only in sixty

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Speaker 5: George hallis no, Wait, that wouldn't be since sixty three,

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Speaker 1: I think in sixty three. One of them is going

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Speaker 5: Uh, Joe Gibbs. Two other first ballot Hall of Fame coaches.

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Speaker 5: Give me a clue on one.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: One of them comes from an organization that never fires anybody.

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Speaker 1: That never fires anybody in Steelers. Yeah, the Steelers. One

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Speaker 5: Chuck No, oh, Chuck No, right, okay, good? I mean

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of a good way to do this,

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Speaker 1: Is he a modern day coach?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not not in the two thousands, but he was

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Speaker 1: He was around in the eighties and nineties for sure.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't nineties with eighties. So I made sixties, seventies

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Speaker 3: Tom Well, sure, I mean, jeez, d okay, So only

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So Andy Reid is considered the most likely to be

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Speaker 5: So don't you know, and maybe maybe for good reasons,

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Speaker 1: So you don't get in on the first ballot, you.

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Speaker 2: Just don't do it, no, no doub about it. Right,

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Speaker 2: We're off and rolling here on Tuesday. Fire enough for you.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna hear from Sean Payton and George Payton as

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Speaker 1: If you're just joining us.

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Speaker 2: Joe Lombardi was fired about thirty minutes ago, right when

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Speaker 2: we started the show. I imagine that was intentional untiming,

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Speaker 4: It says when you hear your family and you know,

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Speaker 2: Bill, gonna think, oh my god, maybe legendary is barely

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Speaker 2: scratching the surface on how good those breadsticks are. Although

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Speaker 2: It does a little better than that, but you don't

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. Now I haven't tried that yet.

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Speaker 1: Good idea.

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Speaker 2: Grant you ever? You have an air friar, Dave, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I love them, love the air friar. Well, I mean

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Speaker 5: You know what, the more information you have, the better

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Speaker 2: Okay, So before we hear from Sean Payton George Payton,

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Speaker 4: So a couple of the jobs that you had mentioned.

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Speaker 2: The Dallas job was a giant's job, the package job

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Speaker 2: that they've all.

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Speaker 1: They've all been filled.

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Speaker 4: So we've been able to avoid those issues so far.

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Speaker 2: which isn't really a surprise, right, It's an opportunity for him.

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00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: But you've been reporting all along that you weren't so

443
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: sure that show it was going to be back in

444
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: his coordinator position. So now that it looks like he's

445
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: not in on the Arizona Cardinals job anymore, You've talked

446
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: about that, David's pointed that out as well, and we're

447
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 2: not hearing Vance Joseph's name pop up anywhere else. What

448
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: is the outlook for the defensive coordinator position? Is now

449
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, our offensive coordinator pocition is up

450
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 2: in the air.

451
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean that's what you that's what you

452
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: have to figure out. I mean, do you want to

453
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 3: keep him and does he want to be here? And

454
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,239
Speaker 3: those two things have to be I think he's I

455
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: think he's got one.

456
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Speaker 1: More year on his contract. I have to go back

457
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Speaker 1: and look, that makes sense.

458
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: He was usually a four year and I think he's

459
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Speaker 3: got one more year in his contract. But you know,

460
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Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, you got

461
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: to figure out, you know, and if you're if you're

462
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: changing things on the offensive side of the ball, and

463
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 3: you just have to figure out if you're gonna change

464
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 3: things on the defensive side of the ball, you.

465
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Speaker 1: Know, and and and kind of go from there.

466
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Speaker 3: I think you'll make I mean, we've already seen Sean

467
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: Payton will make those kinds of decisions. I guess I

468
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: did not see I did not see that coming, you know.

469
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: And and again like signs were there should have pointed

470
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Speaker 3: to it. But I guess when you when you look

471
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Speaker 3: at somebody's ben wi somebody for so long, you kind

472
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: of start to expect them to just be there as

473
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: far as it goes. Good for good for Sean Payton,

474
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 3: for you know, if he recognized the change and need

475
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Speaker 3: to be made. Good for him for doing that and

476
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 3: not just sticking with you know, a guy he knows.

477
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: But you know, you feel for Joe Lombardi's family too,

478
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 3: is you know he came out here with Sean Payton

479
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: three years ago and that you were expecting to you

480
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: know this that you just got to the NC Championship

481
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 3: and you were expecting to, Okay.

482
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean living let's put a percentage on it

483
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: for today and again, things can change, Things can change

484
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Speaker 2: on what we'll say, right.

485
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know at this point there's a couple

486
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Speaker 3: of DC spots open.

487
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: The problem is is that some of them are not.

488
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: His to fill anyway, if that makes sense, I think,

489
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 3: you know, some of this would depend on who take

490
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: the raiders job with the Broncos let him out for

491
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: lateral move?

492
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Speaker 1: Do they want to make a move? So there's a

493
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Speaker 1: lot of you know, moving parts.

494
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: As far as that kind of stuff goes, I mean,

495
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Speaker 3: I call it a coin flip right now.

496
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Speaker 1: I I just.

497
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Speaker 3: I hesitate to say he will be back until we

498
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Speaker 3: have something a little more cun what's.

499
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Speaker 2: Your what's your vibe or read on that situation with

500
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: Vance Joseph and the defensive coordinator.

501
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Speaker 1: I would say today it would I would lean.

502
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 5: I would lean significantly in the he's coming back category.

503
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 3: Are you throwing up at W there o Wu Tang? Yeah,

504
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: because I want to bet your favorite Wu Tang song.

505
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: I don't think I can say on the air I've.

506
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: Heard W Tang's songs. I don't mean maybe a member

507
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: of the Wu Tang.

508
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: Again probably can't say no.

509
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, anyways.

510
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I like, but listen, I think at this point,

511
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: if you're if you're talking optimistically, like Sean and George

512
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: were saying about what they think they can do this year.

513
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: It feels like some continuity, especially maybe on the defense

514
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: side of the ball, would be very important there. And

515
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: the play caller is a big one.

516
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: Agreed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's that's I've told you. I mean,

518
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 5: I lean that he is back. I lean more than

519
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 5: a little lean. I mean, I think he's going to

520
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 5: come back. But I'm like Ben, I'm not sure, but

521
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 5: that would that would be where I think.

522
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's get to some Sean Payton from

523
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: earlier today.

524
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Speaker 1: We'll get to Georgian just a little bit.

525
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: I mentioned the wide receiver drops conversation and again immediately

526
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: thought of you because it's something that you've.

527
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: Said a multiple times.

528
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: In fact, you even said it on the DMVR podcast

529
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: on Monday. The ball is on the ground way too

530
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: much for me.

531
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. And so here was Sean.

532
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Speaker 4: Asked about the wide receiver drops this season.

533
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Speaker 7: So we've drafted to it, and I like, I like

534
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 7: who we've drafted to it. Yeah, there were too many

535
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 7: even down the stretch, and so the thing with the draft,

536
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 7: you know, man, we've invested, and I like the players

537
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 7: in that room. We've got different, we've got speed, we've

538
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 7: got eyes, we've got you know, all the things I'm

539
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 7: used to, you know, you'd want to have in a

540
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 7: good offense. But I think that there's a proper way

541
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 7: to catch football, and most of the times it's with

542
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 7: your thumbs together, not the other way around. And the

543
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 7: other way around, I'm serious, only exists when the ball

544
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 7: is below your your your belly button, even even the

545
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 7: deep balls should be caught, you know, with your thumbs together.

546
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: So we could be better at that.

547
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: Why do you think he went out of his way

548
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: to talk about the mechanics of catching a football today?

549
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 5: Probably just send a message to the receiving room, I

550
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 5: would think. I would think the receiving room already has

551
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 5: the message. I mean, his idea about catching the ball

552
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 5: with his thumbs together. Only time you're you're going to

553
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 5: put your little fingers together, your pinky fingers together, is

554
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 5: when the ball is throwing waisteless or below.

555
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: So I think he's right in that.

556
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 5: Now, I will say, I think, and if I were

557
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 5: coaching those receivers at the there are times and this

558
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 5: goes against a lot of the sort of the new

559
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 5: way of coaching receivers or talking about the art of

560
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 5: catching football or what have you. I believe in the

561
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 5: NFL there are times where you're going to be better

562
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 5: off allowing that ball to get to your body and

563
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 5: having an underneath stop hand and aside what we used

564
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 5: to call grab hand underneath side.

565
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: You don't want to do that all the time.

566
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Speaker 5: And you know, I hear TV commentators all the time

567
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 5: talking about, well, you got to you know, you've got

568
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 5: to reach out and you've got to attack the ball

569
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 5: with your hands. Theoretically, yes, yes, but not not all

570
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 5: the time. And I hear guys that and this this

571
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 5: was not a bit snooty, but I here guys that

572
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 5: never played wide receiver in the league talking about how

573
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 5: guys that are playing wide receiver in the league should

574
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 5: catch the ball on TV.

575
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, bros. Stop.

576
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 5: There are yes, you want to catch the ball in

577
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 5: your hands. I was a hand catcher, for sure, but

578
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 5: there were times, and especially in the middle of the

579
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 5: field in what we used to call the DMZ, because

580
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 5: you knew when you went in there there there was

581
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: plenty of danger in there. There are times where you're

582
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 5: gonna have to stop hand and the catch hand and

583
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 5: that ball is gonna get in your body and you're

584
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 5: gonna have a chance once that's there to to protect

585
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 5: the ball and then try to protect the body that

586
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 5: catches the ball, because you're gonna, you're gonna catch it,

587
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 5: You're gonna, you're gonna take a shot. So yes, I

588
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 5: agree with Sean. And I've said it before, I've said

589
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 5: it all year long. The ball was on the ground

590
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 5: way too much. There's as many times as the football

591
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 5: is thrown in a game. Nowadays in the NFL, we

592
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 5: have lost as receivers, I think, not everybody, but a

593
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 5: large number of these young cats. The importance of when

594
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 5: the ball is in the air, you have to go

595
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 5: get the ball. It is of paramount importance. It's the

596
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 5: only reason you're in the league. When the ball is

597
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 5: in the air, you figuratively speaking, should be willing to

598
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 5: sell your soul to go make that catch. Are you

599
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 5: willing to go make that catch in the middle of

600
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 5: the field and sacrifice whatever it takes to do it?

601
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: And too often I see guys that are just too

602
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 5: casual with how they catch the ball, way too casual.

603
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 5: So that's an older wide receiver bitching about some wide

604
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 5: receives today, and I stand by that.

605
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: Do you think we have that mentality in the room

606
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: or they need to go get that this year?

607
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 5: I don't know, because I spend zero time in the

608
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 5: room and I'm not going to act like I mean,

609
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 5: I know, I know what.

610
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: It takes to play wide receiver in the league. I

611
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: know the.

612
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 5: Mentality it takes. H and I've seen these guys make

613
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 5: some some big catches. I've seen guys on this team,

614
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 5: current team, you know, make some tough, tough catches. But

615
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, generally speaking, you have to hold that

616
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 5: room accountable and there has to be a more concerted effort.

617
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: Whether it's a pride thing, I don't know.

618
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: I don't know.

619
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 5: I mean, I know Courtland a little bit, but I

620
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 5: don't know the other other dudes. I don't know if

621
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 5: it's a pride thing, or it's a nonchalant thing, or

622
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 5: it's a hey, the ball is going to be thrown

623
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 5: thirty five or forty times thing. I don't know. But

624
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 5: you're in the league because you can catch the ball.

625
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 5: You ain't in the league because you're going to play

626
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 5: golf hard and like on the pin and pull, you're

627
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 5: gonna pull and kick out somebody you weigh two o five.

628
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 5: You're in the league because you can catch the ball,

629
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 5: So when the ball is in the air to you,

630
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 5: it ought to matter more so than anything else in

631
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: your life.

632
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: For that two point four seconds period.

633
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 2: Well said, we might have some information coming out on

634
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: why Bill Belichick wasn't a first Battle Hall of Famer.

635
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: We'll get to that when we come back. Grant. One

636
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: of his favorite words is loyalty.

637
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: I see the gleam in your eye, though I see it.

638
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: He's got me a few times. He's got me a

639
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: few There's a few in there for me. I wish

640
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: I could sneak in there and delete. Yep.

641
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you you made many friends by

642
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: turning on microphones when people aren't expected.

643
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: That could be very dangerous, especially in this studio from

644
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 5: three to six. Yeah, I actually actually Mandy show two

645
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 5: okay you yeah, basically everything after day Yeah, yeah, man,

646
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 5: Mandy would be un serious in about two weeks if

647
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 5: we got all of our comments off the air on

648
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 5: the air.

649
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: But you know it's true. We're talking.

650
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: We're talking about the put cameras in the studio, you

651
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: know that, and having that and I'm like, are we

652
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: gonna shut those off during the breaks, because uh yeah, literally,

653
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: we're gonna leave the breaks to have some of these conversations.

654
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: That's right.

655
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: So according to Seth Wickersham with ESPN, we we talked

656
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: about it a little bit earlier that Bill Belichick was

657
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: not a first Battle Hall of Famer. Well, sim In's

658
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: side has come out about maybe why, and some of

659
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: this has to do with Bill Pollion actually because you know,

660
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: I'm reading an excerpt from his report here. He says

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Speaker 2: that multiple sources told the ESPN the spygate into flake Gate,

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Speaker 2: the twin cheating scandals during the Patriots championship run, came

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Speaker 2: up in deliberations among voters. A voter who's spoken condition

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Speaker 2: of anonymity said that Pollion, an ardent Craft supporter and

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Speaker 2: former general manager of the Bills and the Colts, a

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Speaker 2: chief Patriots rival during their dynasty, told some voters he

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Speaker 2: believed Belichick should quote unquote wait a year before induction

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Speaker 2: as penance for spygate. Quote from a voter, the only

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Speaker 2: explanation for this outcome was for the cheating stuff. It

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Speaker 2: really bothered some of the guys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, and that was what I was referring

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Speaker 5: to with respect to when I said, the league.

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Speaker 1: Looks at this, and I.

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Speaker 5: Think they absolutely and maybe I don't know, maybe maybe understandably,

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Speaker 5: maybe correctly. I think they looked at a few things

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Speaker 5: that happened when Bill Belichick was the head coach of

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Speaker 5: the Patriots and they say, Okay, he.

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Speaker 1: Clearly is a Hall of Fame coach, but we get it.

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Speaker 5: And if it came from Bill Pollion, then that would

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Speaker 5: be understandable because there's zero love lost.

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Speaker 1: Between Bill Pollian and Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 2: So is that an acknowledgment that we think they got

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Speaker 2: it right, because it doesn't feel right when you're talking

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Speaker 2: about a coach that won six championships.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's for people to decide. And really,

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Speaker 5: you talk about first world problems. So he's not going

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Speaker 5: in the.

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Speaker 1: First year he's eligible.

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Speaker 5: He's going to go in the second year, okay, unless

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Speaker 5: he should pass in the year in between. Is it

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Speaker 5: really that big idea? I think it's more of a

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Speaker 5: statement than anything else.

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Speaker 3: It's Jimmy Johnson admitted to having done it, and he said,

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Speaker 3: we did it for a year and it didn't seem

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Speaker 3: to help us at all. So we quit doing it.

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Speaker 3: But he admitted to doing it and spygay stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: back when he was I think he was with kids city,

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Speaker 3: I can't remember, but anyway, he was when he was

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Speaker 3: a scout, back when Jimmy way back early in his

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Speaker 3: career said they did it and it didn't help him.

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Speaker 1: Is this like the Barry Bonds move where.

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Speaker 3: It tarnishes an otherwise you were otherwise a great at

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Speaker 3: what you did, but it tarnishes that, you know, like

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Speaker 3: Barry Bonds was a phenomenal or before the roids. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't like he wasn't the old time one of the

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Speaker 3: old time before all that. But is this like the

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Speaker 3: Barry Bonds thing where it tarnishes an all time career?

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Speaker 1: I mean it kind of does, right I.

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Speaker 2: I you know, with the roid stuff, I don't subscribe

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Speaker 2: to those guys shouldn't be in like I'm more of

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Speaker 2: a hey man.

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Speaker 1: And I know we've gone back and forth.

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Speaker 2: On this about how you know legal it was, how

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Speaker 2: you know as far as in the rules, not in

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Speaker 2: the rules, those kinds of things that it was one

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Speaker 2: of the most exciting times I've ever experienced in baseball

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Speaker 2: ninety eight.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean you would not. You would not

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Speaker 5: be hyperbolic to say that the home run race in

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Speaker 5: ninety eight between McGuire, Bonds and so helped save major

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Speaker 5: League Baseball and bring it back to the forefront of

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Speaker 5: the casual sports fans.

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Speaker 2: Mine two thousand percent. So for me, I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: have such fond memories of it. Those guys are all

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Speaker 2: timers and they were great before even all of that.

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Speaker 2: But to hold that against them retroactively, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm be.

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Speaker 5: Honest guessing to his question. You're saying with Belichick, no,

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Speaker 5: you don't. You wouldn't hold anything.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would know. And here's the guy

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Speaker 1: who coined the term to flake, Kate, I know, how

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Speaker 1: about that?

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Speaker 4: The literal first person on Twitter to use that my.

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Speaker 1: One clear Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The BBC wrote an article, well because the first person, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the first person the term flate connection with ye my

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Speaker 2: one claim to fame.

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Speaker 1: Wow, pretty good one. This is right.

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Speaker 3: It's right.

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Speaker 4: People thought I would do more with my life, but

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, and they didn't coin the phrase to flake. That

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Speaker 1: just don't put it on my tomb stuff. We'll come back.

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Speaker 1: We got more sound to get through. Coming to the next,