1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: From on fifty five KRCD talk station. A twenty eight 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: fifty five KRCD talk station. It's that time of the week. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Apploytment listening Daniel Davis Deep Dive retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Davis is a podcast called the Daniel Davis Deep Dive. 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: You can find out wherever we get your podcasts. We 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: are blessed to have him on the fifty five Cassee 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: Morning Show every Tuesday at this time to talk about 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: stuff and things, usually in the area of war and 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: military activity. Welcome back, sir, It is a pleasure to 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: have you on the fifty five Carsee Morning Show, my friend. 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to be here, Brian, thanks for having 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: me back. 13 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: What is and let's start. I know you don't know 14 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: what I want to start with, so here you go, 15 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Daniel Davis. I know you're capable of fielding your question 16 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,319 Speaker 1: from out in the world. The situation of the UN 17 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Security Council a thirteen vote for President Trump's twenty point 18 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: peace plan for Gaza, and call it what you will, 19 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: but as I read this, and as I understand it, 20 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: no recognition of a Palestinian state, the requirement that hamas 21 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: disarming the Gaza demilitarized as a first step. Then if 22 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: you get to that part, then maybe we'll move on 23 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: to what they'll call phase two. But for the most part, 24 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: I found it interesting that the UN even approved this, 25 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: and that Russia and or China didn't veto it, which 26 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: they could have done. They abstained. So we have a 27 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: thirteen to zero vote, which I can't remember the last 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: time a pro US military strategy or US policy was 29 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: fully embraced and not just shot down outright. Now, you 30 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: can correct me on my history and my recollection, Daniel Davis, 31 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: But what's your reaction to at least the UN approving this, 32 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: because normally I find them to be a completely worth 33 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: this organization. 34 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: Well, just look at terms of what actually happened. There 35 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: was the Trump's twenty point piece plan for the foundation 36 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: of disagreement, and there is actually point number seventeen. There 37 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: is a provision that leads to the eventual Palestinian state. 38 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: So at least aspirationally is part of the deal, and 39 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: aspiration is far from a concrete action plan, and so 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: we'll see how. 41 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: That works out. 42 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: But the first issue is the fact that this was 43 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: Trump's plan and it was agreed to by all these parties. However, uh, 44 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: it's always you know some however's here you have the 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: opposition in the Israeli Cabinet led by a guy named Lieberman. 46 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: You have Smotrich and some of these others definitely against it, 47 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: like vehemently against it. They think that it's a betrayal 48 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: of of Israel, that it lays the foundation, especially because 49 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: of this international stabilization for us, it's supposed to come 50 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: in and provide peace, et cetera. They're like that that's 51 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 2: going to lay the foundation for our insecurity in the 52 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: in the future. Then you have the Hamas side, and 53 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: they just categorically rejected it, and they said, no, we 54 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: don't agree with this because it doesn't give enough benefits 55 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: and freedoms to the and guarantees for the Palacinating people, 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: et cetera. Everybody seems to like it, accept the Israelis 57 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: in the in the Hamas side. So I'm not sure 58 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: what to make of that. That's not entirely optimistic, but 59 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: at least really relatively speaking, the ceasefire is holding the 60 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: casually count in the Gaza strip as opposed to the 61 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: West Bank, where by the way, violence is spiking to 62 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: almost all time high levels, and let's not lose sight 63 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: of that fact. But at least in the Gaza strip, 64 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: things are relatively holding, and as long as there's one 65 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: more day without violence or limited violence in it to 66 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: one more day, there's a chance that we can bring 67 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: permanent peace to the situation. But we are way far 68 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: from this turning into peace. This is just as you 69 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: just pointed out, this is relatively This is kind of 70 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: like phase one and a half, and now we have 71 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: to do the hard part of phase two and we'll 72 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: see how it goes from there. 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: In terms of disarming, you know, getting I understand the concept, 74 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: how does one bring that about? Obviously very complicated, especially 75 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: when Hamas does not want to disarm. It's the only 76 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: mechanism they have to contain or maintain any control or power. 77 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: But you know, I guess it depends what the Palestinian 78 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: people want by way of leadership. Of course, the physical 79 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: space of Gaza. But how if they could achieve disarmament, 80 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: would that come about giving Humas's resistance. 81 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: It's gonna be incredibly difficult, and you're gonna have to 82 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: have the participation, in cooperation of the Palestinian people And listen, 83 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: this is one of the areas. I've several times under 84 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: your show here talking about how I've been upset at 85 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: the Israeli side because they have used a lot of 86 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: violence against the people and they have not, you know, 87 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 2: been straightforward with what they said and what they did, etc. 88 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you right now, the Hummas they have 89 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: to be put Lots of pressure has to be put 90 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: on them, and primarily I think by the Arab Coalition 91 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: and the Arab countries in there, because the longer they 92 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: drag their feet and if they actually say, well, we're 93 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: not going to accept this, they. 94 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 1: Have no leverage. 95 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: All they can do is just be persistent and forget 96 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: about trying to do anything that brings the war to 97 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: an end and then bring more firepower on the people 98 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: of Palestine. So they have nothing to gain except for 99 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: a continuation of the war. And I really hope that 100 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 2: both the Palestinian people and the Arabs and the area 101 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: bring pressure on them to do exactly what it is. 102 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: There's nothing for them to gain and everything for the 103 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: Palestinian people to gain by them doing what they're supposed to. 104 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: We'll see if it turns out that way, but that's 105 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: the biggest impediment in the near term. 106 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: No, I mean it's I want to draw a parallel 107 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: to say something along the lines of will the Abraham 108 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: Accords have gotten people to sort of put down their 109 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: fighting words and agree to work together for a collective 110 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: peace in the agreement in the region that coalition of 111 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: I hope ever growing Arab countries. That's the pressure that 112 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: can help bring to bear on Hamas in the area. 113 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean, is that kind of a working coalition that 114 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: can do that. 115 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: It is, But we also bear in mind that especially 116 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: the kingpin of this, the Saudi Arabia want they're willing 117 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: to do that, but they also have pressure on the 118 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: Israeli side because they said, listen, we'll expand the Abraham 119 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: Accords and we'll talk more peace on that, but you 120 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: have to at least provide a viable path to a 121 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood or freedom, and of course Israel doesn't want 122 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: to do that. They've been categorically opposed. That's one of 123 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: the things that the Israeli side is most opposed to 124 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: in this UN deal because it has the aspiration toward that. 125 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: And then you know how much pressure is the US 126 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: going to bring on Israel to abide by their portion. 127 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: How much will Saudi Rabi, who's meeting with Trump today, 128 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: by the way, how much pressure will they put on 129 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: the Hamas side to do what. 130 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: They're supposed to do. 131 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: So lots of people want peace, and so the matter 132 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: of how much pressure they're going to put on the 133 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: two sides to bring this all together. 134 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: So who would be the ones arming Hamas on a 135 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: going forward basis? Given that you know, Iran's economy seems 136 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: to be collapsing, They're going to have to move the 137 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: capital because of lack of water. Of course, the sanctions, 138 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: international pressure. I'm just where are they going to continue 139 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: to get their hardware? 140 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that listen, as long as there's money involved 141 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 2: and there's a hatred of Israel, that weapons will be found. 142 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: There's ways they can get smuggled in. You just can't 143 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: stop everything, and people are motivated, they will find a 144 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: way to get things done. So there's enough people that 145 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: hate Israel around the world and there's there's money and 146 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: weapons are gonna find their way in there one or 147 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: the other point. 148 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: Point while taking understood, just needed to be on the 149 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: record on that real quick. Here Manuel McCrone planning on 150 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: sending one hundred fighter jets to Zelenski over the next 151 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: ten years. Ukrainian is still demanding more Tomahawks. That this 152 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: is the same conversation you haven't heaven for weeks, Daniel Davis. 153 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: Is ain't gonna help anything, is it? No, it is. 154 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: And I actually made that point on my show this 155 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: week already that this is this is an extension of 156 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: the things that we're doing that don't help, because we've 157 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: had the you know, it's gonna be the the attackings, 158 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: the long range, and it was gonna be the storm Shadow, 159 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: then it was gonna be the F sixteen's that's what 160 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: was good and none of them made any difference here 161 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: and now talking about just a different kind of jet, 162 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: that's not the problem. That's not where uh Israel, that's 163 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: not where the Ukraine sides problems are. In fact, it 164 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: was a great piece I think it was last Friday 165 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: by Julian Rupke, a German, a journalist who's been covering 166 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: this war from the beginning, one of the best, most accurate, 167 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: definitely pro Ukraine, but he's also accurate in most of 168 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: his stuff, and he had a piece where he just said, 169 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: let's call this what it is Ukraine is on a 170 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: path to a strategic defeat. They will not win if 171 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: they keep going in they self delusion, both Ukraine government 172 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: and their military and the Western people. And one of 173 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: the things he pointed out was you're not doing the 174 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: things that actually matter on the battlefield. He said, send 175 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: in like millions of drones, not these big high tech 176 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: weapons systems. That that's not where the fots wonder lost 177 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: on the battlefield. It's with the drone situation. And he said, 178 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: Russia has a huge advantage and it's growing, and we're 179 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: we're tinkering around with jets over ten years. I no, 180 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: come on, man, that's humiliating and it's embarrassing, and it's 181 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: just helping for Ukraine to lose. 182 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I laugh over that point, but that's I 183 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: really literally laugh when I saw that over ten years, 184 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: because it goes back to the reality of it's every 185 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: missile system there is, there's a finite amount in a 186 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: limit number of places they can go in the world, 187 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: and this seemingly unlimited demand for all this hardware. 188 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: You know, so and you know you know how long 189 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: it's going to take to train these pilots up. You 190 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: remember when we authorize the F sixteens. When Biden did, 191 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: it was like somewhere around nine months or maybe even 192 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: longer before they could get their pilots trained up on 193 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: the F sixteen. Now you've got to start a whole 194 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: new one. Unless something's been going on behind the scenes 195 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: that we don't know about. You're talking about multiple months 196 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: just to get them to get in the cockpit effectively 197 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: and then operate the weapons systems there. 198 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: So this is just ridiculous in my view, cold harsh reality, 199 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: as we always expect from Daniel Davis. Retireling Colonel Daniel Davis. 200 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: Find him where you find your podcast, look for the 201 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: Daniel Davis Deep Dive, Love the conversation. Someday we're gonna 202 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: have some great positive news toward peace, Daniel, and I'm 203 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: waiting for that day. Yeah, wait for it next Tuesday 204 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: maybe Ed. We'll keep our fingers crossed. Much love, brother, 205 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: will heavy great week, my friend. Eight thirty eight fifty 206 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: five KRC DE Talk Station. This is fifty five KRC 207 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: and I