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Speaker 1: Thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Here we go the Moweger Show, New Year's Eve, not

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Speaker 2: Moeger Chad Brendle filling in for the day. Glad to

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Speaker 2: have you guys. Thank you for choosing me. Tarren Bland

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Speaker 2: on the Ones and twos, Taran and I both satisfied.

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Speaker 2: Excellent lunch today, first time, first time spot.

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Speaker 3: Taran. I love when we do a first.

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Speaker 2: Time spot and it's actually good and it Bones Burgers

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Speaker 2: in Montgomery, Arren said, I want to burger and fries. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: find the start looking the best burgers and fries around

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Speaker 2: the studio. Bones Burgers one the day, Beer, cheese and

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Speaker 2: bacon for Terran phenomenon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, combliments to the chef.

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Speaker 3: I had the U.

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Speaker 2: I had the smoked the smokehouse burger, bacon, grilled jalapenos

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Speaker 2: and barbecue sauce. Very good parmesan fries. Love giving a

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Speaker 2: shout outs to to new spots that we try, love

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Speaker 2: it well. Are we going party mode today, Tarran? Or

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Speaker 2: are we doing party theme?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: In like New Year's theme? Party theme? Bumper music?

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Speaker 3: Today? Do we do?

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Speaker 2: We have a theme for today? We're talking about uh

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Speaker 2: not ship. You see how it see how it comes.

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Speaker 2: Do you see how it flows? I don't think we

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Speaker 2: ever got to We didn't. You weren't here Wednesday of

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Speaker 2: last week Christmas Eve, or you were a different scenario,

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Speaker 2: so we didn't get to do like Christmas and Hollis

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Speaker 2: Queen's my all time favorite Christmas song. I have to

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Speaker 2: work that one in. But it's a delightful New Year's

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Speaker 2: Eve in Cincinnati's. It's a little gray, a little chilly,

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Speaker 2: but I'll take this over what we've had the past

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Speaker 2: couple days. Although if we could go back to, like

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Speaker 2: the seventy degree weather we had right after Christmas, that

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Speaker 2: would be great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and just casually drop down. Let's not go from

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Speaker 4: seventy to twenty. Yeah, that was perturbing.

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Speaker 2: You know, you get the you've got to when you've

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Speaker 2: got the weather app on your phone, it gives you like,

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Speaker 2: tomorrow it's going to be four degrees warmer than your location.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow it's going to be forty one degrees colder in

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Speaker 3: What are we doing? But pretty good?

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're going out tonight, stay safe, get

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Speaker 2: a driver, don't don't get behind the wheel, get a driver,

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Speaker 2: use an app, do something, no need to drink and

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Speaker 2: drive on New Year's Eve. But I hope everybody has

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Speaker 2: a good time, and we will. We'll work as kind

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Speaker 2: of a pregame as you're you're getting ready, maybe finishing

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Speaker 2: up with work, getting ready for the New Year's Eve

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Speaker 2: festivities to bring in twenty twenty six. Let's hope twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six is better than twenty twenty five for sports

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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: It's not been a great year, Darren.

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Speaker 2: Listening to Lance and Moe and Tony and Austin, there

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Speaker 2: was not a lot of fun stuff to talk about

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Speaker 2: in that year and review show hope twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: has something better in store for us. We'll get to

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Speaker 2: the Bengals. Joe Burrow. I don't know if he's done

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Speaker 2: hear from Joe Burrow, who is addressing the media down

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Speaker 2: at pay Corse Stadium right now.

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Speaker 3: Hear from him. In our number two.

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Speaker 2: Rick Broering joins us at three forty five to discuss

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Speaker 2: Xavier and Yukon tonight, Danny Hurley and the boys come

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Speaker 2: into town. So that's a big one for Xavier, you know,

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Speaker 2: don't I don't think there's a lot of expectation for

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Speaker 2: Richard Patino a lot of credit. Like they have been there,

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Speaker 2: they have taken some lumps and bounce back every time.

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Speaker 2: That is not the most talented team that Xavier's ever had,

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Speaker 2: by any stretch of the imagination, But Richard Patino's figuring

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Speaker 2: probably not in position to where they're going to play

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Speaker 2: for an that large bid in the NCAA tournament. But

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Speaker 2: maybe you're the player that you paid the most has

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Speaker 2: not played this year in Pizzato, the way he has

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Speaker 2: navigated that team through the first through the non conference

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Speaker 2: and it'll be interesting to see how they how they

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Speaker 2: But even if that doesn't go well, I think if

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Speaker 2: But overall, I mean there's not a lot of thump

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Speaker 2: in that Big East is a good way to put it.

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Speaker 2: Yukon at seven, and Ken Palm, Saint John's at nineteen,

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Speaker 2: Villanova at twenty five, and then it drops all the

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Speaker 2: Butler Providence at seventy five, Xavier at ninety nine.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's.

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Speaker 2: There's a long way to go to the top half

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Speaker 2: these games you should feel like, if you're a Xavier fan,

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Speaker 2: you have a shot. And I think that's a testament

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Speaker 2: to the job that Richard Bettino is doing coaching that team.

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Speaker 2: So that that's at five o'clock tonight, Taran, we get

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Speaker 2: We'll get some in game updates from the Musketeers and

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Speaker 2: the Huskies. You know, we probably could have had Danting

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Speaker 3: Before tip off. Seems like a little much. Seems like

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Speaker 2: But h yeah, we'll get to some Bengals stuff as well,

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Speaker 2: including Look, you ere at this point. You're not in

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Speaker 2: a position where now you're in play for a for

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Speaker 2: a really high level draft pick. You're gonna be drafting

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Speaker 2: but you've kind of fallen out of that mix for

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Speaker 2: the defense, it's still not great by nobody's confusing them

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Speaker 2: And when you're talking defense, the most important positions are

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, it looks like the Bengals have a

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Speaker 2: little hope for the future at edge rusher and at

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Speaker 2: both cornerback spots. And that's one of the good things

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Speaker 2: didn't get the job done this season, that they're for

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Speaker 2: the third year in a row, they're on the outside

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Speaker 2: looking in. That's frustrating, especially for a franchise that has

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. That should never happen, but it has, and

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Speaker 2: it doesn't look like changes.

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Speaker 3: Are going to be made. That's just the reality.

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Speaker 2: But you have a team that is now starting to

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Speaker 2: play well, play with some confidence, and you're starting to

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Speaker 2: find a couple pieces on defense to build around. We

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Speaker 2: know they're going to have to go into the offseason

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Speaker 2: and make quite a few changes on the defensive side

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Speaker 2: And the reality is you did have a new defensive

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Speaker 2: That involves a lot of experimentation, a lot of figuring

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Speaker 2: do that fits into what I want to do? How

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Speaker 2: can I best utilize the guys that I've got in house.

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Speaker 2: I think some of that has happened over the past

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Speaker 2: That's a necessity in the NFL. That's why those guys

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Speaker 2: feel very ordinary going forward. They don't feel like this

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Speaker 2: doesn't feel like a Ravens roster right now, and we'll

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Speaker 3: We have seen.

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Speaker 2: Some guys spike, some guys look good, some guys feel

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Speaker 2: have the sophomore slump, whatever. But here's my question. We

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Speaker 2: They just took a guy that was dfaid from the

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Speaker 2: worst franchise in baseball, the Oakland a's and they're selling

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Speaker 2: it as a positive because he was a former number

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Speaker 2: four overall. Pick yeha. If this wasn't the year for

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Speaker 2: or two. You've got Hunter Green, You've got Nick Lodolo,

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Speaker 2: Now you add south Stewart into that mix. If this

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Speaker 2: tried to get Shorber, I would contend, if you're going

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Speaker 2: in five million dollars less a year, you didn't really

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Speaker 2: their draft status.

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Speaker 3: All that much. A couple of picks, a couple of

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Speaker 3: picks here and there.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you get six, maybe you get eight instead of

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Speaker 2: avoided at that time you see that, maybe you get

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Speaker 2: eight instead of twelve if they win this weekend.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately.

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Speaker 2: You weren't going to get one of those premium top three,

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Speaker 2: top four picks. There's just too many teams that were worse.

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Speaker 2: So go find some guys that are making plays. Go

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Speaker 2: find some guys that are building some confidence, and that

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Speaker 2: can be a part of the solution that can be

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Speaker 2: on the next Bengals team that wins the AFC North,

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Speaker 2: gets in the playoffs and tries to make some noise

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Speaker 2: because guess what it feels like, am I wrong on this, Terran.

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Speaker 2: Does it feel like Lamar's declining.

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Speaker 3: A little bit?

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Does it feel like Mahomes is declining a little bit?

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Speaker 2: I mean now he's dealing with a torn ACL. Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen's still great, but that Buffalo team doesn't feel like

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Speaker 2: a juggernaut. We went from the AFC two years ago

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Speaker 2: talking about man, there's eleven really good teams in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: Who do you feel great about now? In the AFC

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Speaker 2: the Broncos, I'll take Joe Burrow over bow Nicks, the Chargers. Clearly,

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Speaker 2: I'll take Joe Burrow over Justin Herbert. The Patriots. Drake

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Speaker 2: May has been outstanding. I'll take Joe Burrow over Drake May.

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Speaker 2: So you hope this momentum and this ability to identify

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Speaker 2: Closing out Hour number three here on the Mo Eggers

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Speaker 2: Musketeer here in about an hour or so, Rick the

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Speaker 2: Yukon game aside, if you're a Xavier fan, you have

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Speaker 2: to be pretty thrilled with what you're seeing through the

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Speaker 2: non conference and into the start of Biggies play from

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Speaker 2: Richard Patino.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I you know, it's tough to say.

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Speaker 8: Savior fans are going to be thrilled with the you know,

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Speaker 8: losing to Creighton the way they did or losing to

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Speaker 8: Santa Clair the.

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Speaker 3: Way they did.

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Speaker 8: So there have certainly been some frustrating losses along the way,

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Speaker 8: But to your point, I think the things that I

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Speaker 8: would be creating a coach on going into this year,

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Speaker 8: which you foster building, is a big part of it.

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Speaker 8: But you can kind of put that aside to some

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Speaker 8: extent in a first season, especially one that was as

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Speaker 8: crazy as last year's transfer portal, and look at what

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Speaker 8: have they done from a coaching perspective, and I think,

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Speaker 8: you know, the willingness to make changes to the lineups,

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Speaker 8: the willingness to change the style of play, doing the

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Speaker 8: things necessary to give the team a chance to win,

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Speaker 8: and then and winning the close games that they've been in,

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Speaker 8: finding ways to make the necessary plays and adjustments down

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Speaker 8: the stretch of those games to come out with wins

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Speaker 8: has been a big bright spot I think for the

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Speaker 8: Zager fan experience so far this season. And if you're

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Speaker 8: trying to grade Richard Patino, I think a lot of

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Speaker 8: the things that you'd be grading him on would receive

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Speaker 8: pretty high march to this point.

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Speaker 2: Rick, you and I have been doing this for far

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Speaker 2: too long now. We've been around a lot of coaches.

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Speaker 2: You see a lot of stuff, You see a lot

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Speaker 2: of ego, You see a lot of guys that are

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Speaker 2: are hesitant or slow to change. I think what you

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Speaker 2: mentioned is what I've maybe been most impressed about with

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Speaker 2: Richard Pattino is his ability to adjust on the fly

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Speaker 2: and say, Okay, I know I thought it was going

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Speaker 2: to be this, but it looks like it's going to

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Speaker 2: be more that I thought this guy would be the

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Speaker 2: number one guy. Maybe this guy is the number one guy.

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Speaker 2: It feels like from game to game, like the the

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Speaker 2: three days in between or whatever, that man is putting

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Speaker 2: in a significant amount of work to evolve this thing

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Speaker 2: into whatever. The future of Xavier basketball begins to look like.

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Speaker 8: Well, and I think you're going to find that it's

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Speaker 8: going to be more and more difficult for the coaches

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Speaker 8: that say do it my way and only my way,

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Speaker 8: or we just have our system and we only play

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Speaker 8: a certain style to find consistent success because in the

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Speaker 8: transfer portal era, where you're turning over your roster at

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Speaker 8: least the core pieces of it every single season, you're

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Speaker 8: just not going to be able to thread the needle perfectly.

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Speaker 8: When it comes to putting together the right pieces. You know,

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Speaker 8: you're not going to have the point guard necessary to

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Speaker 8: play your style, or you're not going to have the

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Speaker 8: center necessary to play your style. In a given year,

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Speaker 8: and I think it's going to be hard for those

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Speaker 8: coaches that are very rigid and find their system to

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Speaker 8: be super precious to where they won't and go away

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Speaker 8: from it to have a lot of consistent success. It's

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Speaker 8: not to say they will still be successful, because a

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Speaker 8: lot of guys that have coached that way have done

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Speaker 8: great things in this sport. But they'll have their years.

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Speaker 8: But I just don't think they'll be able to dominate

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Speaker 8: the sport doing that the way they maybe have in

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Speaker 8: the past and so far at Xavier, Richard Patino has

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Speaker 8: shown to be the exact opposite of that.

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Speaker 2: Tonight is going to be a tough one that this

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Speaker 2: is another really good Yukon team For Danny Hurley, what

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Speaker 2: do you look for from Xavier tonight when it comes

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Speaker 2: to this matchup. I know it's probably not the most

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Speaker 2: favorable matchup in the world, but how do they keep

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Speaker 2: this thing closed and try to give themselves a chance

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Speaker 2: at the end?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think the first thing that you look at

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Speaker 8: with this matchup is one, what do they do inside

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Speaker 8: against Terris Reid. I think this is one of the

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Speaker 8: first really physically imposing big men that they've gone up

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Speaker 8: again said they saw some big guys in the non

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Speaker 8: coup and schedule, but this is like a low post

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Speaker 8: punisher that likes to bury you deep underneath the rim

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Speaker 8: when he's running the floor, and he does good and

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Speaker 8: pick and roll actions and can get those and ones,

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Speaker 8: and he's a monster on the class at both ends.

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Speaker 8: He blocks a lot of shots. So I'm curious to

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Speaker 8: see how them playing that smaller lineup with Jovan Malikovich

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Speaker 8: at the center spot, how they'll counteract Terris Reid inside.

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Speaker 8: That would be the first thing. And then the other

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Speaker 8: thing that I'm really looking at is Zaeger has struggled

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Speaker 8: mightily giving up cuts points off of cuts to the basket,

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Speaker 8: and that can be defined as you know, actual what

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Speaker 8: we would think of as off ball movement and a

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Speaker 8: guy like backdoor cutting to the rim or also just

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Speaker 8: driving and dumping it off to a big man.

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Speaker 3: And letting him finish.

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Speaker 8: And part of that has been because of the way

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Speaker 8: that they overplay on the perimeter defensively, you know as

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Speaker 8: well as I do against this dan early offense, that

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Speaker 8: they cut and move off the ball so well, they

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Speaker 8: score so many points off of cutting to the basket

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Speaker 8: that could get really if Savior doesn't take those opportunities away,

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Speaker 8: so that the I mean, really, when it comes down

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Speaker 8: to like the overall perspective going into this game, I think,

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Speaker 8: quite honestly, and it may sound like kind of a

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Speaker 8: weak perspective, I think you're looking for Savior to just

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Speaker 8: keep it close. Given what happened against Creighton, you don't

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Speaker 8: want to see another historic loss in the Centa Center

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Speaker 8: like that, And Yukon's the type of team that's talented

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Speaker 8: enough to deliver that type of blow. So that would

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Speaker 8: that would be really what I'm looking for. If Savier's

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Speaker 8: able to keep it close or come out with some

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Speaker 8: type of winning this one.

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Speaker 7: I would be very oppressed.

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Speaker 2: The good news is, though, looking around that Big East,

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Speaker 2: like how Saint John's isn't the big, big time UH

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Speaker 2: team that we thought they could be going into the season.

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Speaker 2: Really it's Yukon, and then there's there's winnable games outside

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's right, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 8: When you look around the conference, there's a lot of

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Speaker 8: just kind of mah and bloss.

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Speaker 3: Saint John's is okay, but they're good.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they got a.

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Speaker 8: Really talented They've got a really talented roster. I think

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Speaker 8: when you look around the rest of the league, though,

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Speaker 8: you see a lot of teams that struggled in last

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Speaker 8: year's transfer portal to put together the type of roster

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Speaker 8: you used to seeing in the Big East. And so

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Speaker 8: that's why you've got kind of a weaker middle and

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Speaker 8: bottom of the conference this year, and that should help

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Speaker 8: Xavier remain competitive. It's going to be interesting to see

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Speaker 8: what it looks like after they get through this Yukon

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Speaker 8: game and get into some of those teams that you're

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Speaker 8: talking about.

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Speaker 2: Real quick, give us a look at at the Horizon

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Speaker 2: and NKU. They're kind of in that upper second group,

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Speaker 2: it feels like in the Horizon right State and Oakland

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Speaker 2: at least on Ken Palm, the teams that are kind

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Speaker 2: of setting the pace. How was the non con and

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Speaker 2: where do you think they're at in terms of getting

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Speaker 2: ready for this Horizon League regular season?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you what, especially coming off

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Speaker 8: the win at Robert Morris, I don't know how anyone

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Speaker 8: would define the top of the conference in the Horizon

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Speaker 8: League right now. I mean, and I'm not just talking

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Speaker 8: about the top two or three teams. I'm talking about

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Speaker 8: six seven deep in the league this year all look

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Speaker 8: very similar and competitive for potential championships. I'm not talking

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Speaker 8: that all of those teams will be there at the

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Speaker 8: end of the year, because obviously someone will fall off,

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Speaker 8: someone will start to lose some games, someone will face

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Speaker 8: injury adversity. But right now as it currently stands, if

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Speaker 8: you told me any of those top I mean, really,

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Speaker 8: I think six or seven teams in the league right now,

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Speaker 8: we're going to win it by the end of the year.

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Speaker 7: It would not.

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Speaker 8: Surprise me one bit. And NKU is certainly in that mix.

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Speaker 8: Winning that game at Robert Morris. You know, if you

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Speaker 8: ask them about it, they'd probably tell you it's early,

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Speaker 8: it's just one game. But I think if you asked

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Speaker 8: the rest of the league or someone who's following the

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Speaker 8: conference from a storyline and narrative perspective, it felt like

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Speaker 8: a lot more than that. You know, if they lose

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Speaker 8: that one, you're saying, are these guys for really? They

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Speaker 8: keep losing all their close games against good competition. But

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Speaker 8: the way that they were able to go on the

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Speaker 8: road and win this one and come back from a

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Speaker 8: thirteen point deficit where they started so poorly and do

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Speaker 8: it in a game where they only made three three

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Speaker 8: point shots. You know, they had to do it with teamwork,

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Speaker 8: with defense, with being gritty and tough and getting to

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Speaker 8: the free throw line and finishing inside. I think that

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Speaker 8: said a lot about where this teeth, this NKU team

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Speaker 8: is headed, especially as they fix their defense. And that's

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Speaker 8: something that we see Darren Horn's teams do every year.

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Speaker 2: You doing the double dip yukon tonight and then up

656
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Speaker 2: to Indy tomorrow or that that's at on right, that's

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Speaker 2: at home.

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Speaker 8: It's that truest arena. Yeah, so I will be able

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Speaker 8: to stay home and cover both.

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Speaker 3: Of them, all right, and enjoy it? Man, Where can

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Speaker 3: they find you?

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Speaker 7: Hit me up on Facebook? Just Rick Bryan?

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Speaker 3: All right, appreciate it, brother, have a good night.

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Speaker 9: All right.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Yah, there you go, Rick Browering, Musketeer report and radio

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Speaker 2: analyst for the Ink You Norse. We'll hear from Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow after this. Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back. It is the Moleger Show.

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Speaker 2: I am not Molegar right here on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: rolling along on New Year's Eve. I thank you for

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Speaker 2: choosing me, and you know what, you know we're gonna choose.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna choose Joe Burrow, as he spoke a little

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Speaker 2: bit ago down at pay Course Stadium. So let's hear

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Speaker 2: from the Bengals quarterback heading into Week eighteen.

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Speaker 10: Go on and play well and play hard and show you, yeah, Joe,

678
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Speaker 10: if you can think big picture.

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Speaker 11: I know it's difficult at times on a Wednesday like

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Speaker 11: this to think about your career. You're almost six years done, now,

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Speaker 11: what you've done so far versus what's still ahead?

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Speaker 9: What do you still want to accomplish?

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Speaker 11: What do you think still needs to be done for

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Speaker 11: me to accomplish the best of the best.

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Speaker 10: Obviously, you want to win a super Bowl, you want

686
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Speaker 10: to win MVPs, you want to be in the.

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Speaker 9: Playoffs every year.

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Speaker 10: But my goals at this point are just going out

689
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Speaker 10: and playing as good as I can and continuing to improve,

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Speaker 10: finding ways to.

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Speaker 9: Continue to be great and continue to find self improvement.

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Speaker 11: How many times will you have conversations with not just

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Speaker 11: coaching staff, but top of the organization going into the

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Speaker 11: off season about certain things that need to change or

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Speaker 11: grow or improve to make this team better.

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Speaker 9: I don't know, we'll see, We'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 11: Is that something you try to go after those conversations?

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Speaker 9: I mean, as much as you can.

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Speaker 10: We have great line of communication me, Duke, Kay, Troy,

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Speaker 10: mister Brown, Zach's uh, we have great communication.

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Speaker 9: Is it kind of maybe? Then?

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Speaker 12: What's it been like kind of not being able to

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Speaker 12: have as much control as you would maybe like of

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Speaker 12: other parts of the team and sALS like You're like,

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Speaker 12: I can control what I can.

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Speaker 9: Has that been a bit of.

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Speaker 3: A challenge as you kind of gotten older in your career.

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't say that I think I'm not sure.

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Speaker 10: I would say I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: I would.

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Speaker 10: Agree with the first part of your statement. I'm not

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Speaker 10: sure I want to be a quarterback. I don't want

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Speaker 10: to I want to work in the front office. I

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Speaker 10: don't want to be scouting guys in the off season.

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Speaker 10: I want to do what I do and I want

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Speaker 10: to do it at a high level. And I have

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Speaker 10: and I'm going to continue to find more and more

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Speaker 10: ways that I can help myself get better, help the

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Speaker 10: team get better, and put a selves and good positions.

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Speaker 12: It's a better way to ask that would have been

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Speaker 12: has it been Have you just been trying to focus

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Speaker 12: on everything you can control and just kind of say,

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Speaker 12: you know what, this is kind of what I can

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Speaker 12: deal with. Let me try to handle that as best

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Speaker 12: as I can. Has that been a bigger point of

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Speaker 12: emphasis is here for you think?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: I would say that's fair. I think my job is

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Speaker 10: to number one, play as well as I can. Number

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Speaker 10: two continue to improve, and number three be the conduit

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Speaker 10: between coaching staff front office in the locker room, relay

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Speaker 10: feelings that players have, Relay sentiments in the locker room,

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Speaker 10: because you know, coaches in front office are not down

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Speaker 10: there every day and they don't understand a lot of

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Speaker 10: the things that go on in the locker room. And

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Speaker 10: so I think, you know, as quarterback, your job is

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Speaker 10: to relay some of those things.

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Speaker 13: How important is it for this franchise this offseason to

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Speaker 13: make whatever the moves are with the necessary moves So

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Speaker 13: a year from now, we're not saying outlooks the final games.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we want to we want to be competing for

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Speaker 10: championships every year. We don't want to be in the

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Speaker 10: spot that we're in now. So something's got to change,

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Speaker 10: whether it's players that we have continuing to improve and

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Speaker 10: get better, and playing championship caliber football or bringing guys

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Speaker 10: in that will or whatever it may be.

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Speaker 9: Obviously something has to.

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Speaker 14: I don't know how much college football you watch over

749
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Speaker 14: you know, twenty three, twenty four. I asked this because

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Speaker 14: you know, shitters just can be starting for Cleveland on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Did you get cho used to watch him?

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Speaker 9: And if so, what do you think of his game?

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Speaker 14: And also kind of how he's handled the unusual spotlight

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Speaker 14: that's kind of come with him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I really enjoyed watching him in college. I thought he

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Speaker 10: made a lot of plays. I thought he could throw it.

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Speaker 10: And then obviously Steven who his dad is. He he

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Speaker 10: knows how to handle the media, knows how to handle

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Speaker 10: the spotlight. Certainly been under more of a microscope than

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Speaker 10: any other what do you get drafted fourth round, fifth round,

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Speaker 10: certainly under the microscope more than you know their fifth

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Speaker 10: round pick that's ever been in the history of football.

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Speaker 10: And every clip that I see, you know, he seems

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Speaker 10: to be handling it well, says most of the right

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Speaker 10: things in the media. Is who he is, He's himself.

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Speaker 10: That's what you want out of a football player. So

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Speaker 10: he seems to be handling it the right way.

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Speaker 14: Has he ever come up in conversations that you and

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Speaker 14: Flacco have had at any point considering you know, Flako

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Speaker 14: was with him, you know, in Cleveland up until he

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Speaker 14: came here.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you talk about a lot of different players across

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Speaker 10: the league, and that's typically you know, you get a

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Speaker 10: new guy, you figure out he was with this guy

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Speaker 10: I was with, or he was with this guy.

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Speaker 9: I wonder what he thought about about him.

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Speaker 10: That's kind of you know, the initial conversations that you

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Speaker 10: have with new guys that come into the locker room

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Speaker 10: and try to find some common ground in that way.

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Speaker 14: Is there anything between the conversations you've had with Joe

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Speaker 14: about Shador that you could share anything like that.

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Speaker 9: Or keep that between keep that in the locker room if.

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Speaker 15: You picked, If you picked, Joe's bringing all on the

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Speaker 15: Cleveland defense kind of rare rocketunity to get the guy's.

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Speaker 4: No, not really.

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Speaker 10: They they do what they do for the most part.

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Speaker 10: They're pretty simple on defense. That certainly doesn't mean that

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Speaker 10: they don't provide problematic looks and disguises, and certainly doesn't

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Speaker 10: mean that they're not good on defense, and they're, in

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Speaker 10: my opinion, the best defense in football.

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Speaker 9: So it's certainly going to be a challenge. But the

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Speaker 9: number one of.

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Speaker 10: The the players that they have, number two of the

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Speaker 10: coach that they have, understands the strengths and weaknesses of

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Speaker 10: his players and puts them in good positions that you.

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Speaker 16: Take more than hack anything maybe you've gleaned from them.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, there's certainly, you know, I take things from from

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Speaker 10: a lot of different people across the league. And certainly

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Speaker 10: when you get a chance to sit back and watch

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Speaker 10: somebody else go have success the way that he did,

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Speaker 10: you in a style.

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Speaker 9: That I don't play, and that not a ton of

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Speaker 9: people do play in the league anymore.

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Speaker 10: You know, you certainly take some things from from watching that,

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Speaker 10: and you know apply to yourself.

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Speaker 9: Not that I care share throughout your career.

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Speaker 13: Whenever you guys play the Browns or comes up about

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Speaker 13: Miles Garrett. He's going for the sack record on Sunday.

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Speaker 13: I don't know you've answered this before, but what is

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Speaker 13: it that makes it so difficult that he's so different

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Speaker 13: Miles Garrett?

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Speaker 4: What about him?

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Speaker 10: He's more athletic than everybody else on the field. He

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Speaker 10: is bigger, stronger than everybody else. He has a mindset

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Speaker 10: that he's not too high or too low at any point,

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Speaker 10: which is pretty unique for a defensive lineman. I think

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Speaker 10: he's probably got a unique mindset as far as that

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Speaker 10: position goes.

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Speaker 9: But it's one that you can appreciate.

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Speaker 10: He's a guy that I've kind of gotten to know

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Speaker 10: over the years, and you know, I like him as person,

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Speaker 10: and he takes his job very seriously, and I's a

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Speaker 10: guy to have a lot of respect.

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Speaker 9: For your thoughts and potentially sacking you for the record,

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Speaker 9: He's got me a lot, got me a lot, Joe.

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Speaker 11: You've talked about wanting to have a lot more fun

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Speaker 11: in recent weeks.

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Speaker 9: Are you having fun right now?

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Speaker 11: Even though the season has been a losing season these

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Speaker 11: last couple of weeks, scoring a lot, has that been

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Speaker 11: fun for you?

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Speaker 9: I have had fun. I think I have fun playing football.

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Speaker 10: It's uh, certainly difficult when you can't.

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Speaker 9: And you know I had fun last.

836
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Speaker 10: Year too, certainly frustrating at times. That's life in the NFL.

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Speaker 10: That's life of playing sports, and that's you know why

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Speaker 10: you play it. At the beginning, you feel emotions that

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Speaker 10: you don't feel in other parts.

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Speaker 9: Of your life.

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Speaker 10: High as lows, all the above, everything in between. That's

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Speaker 10: why people fall in love with sports. Fans feel it,

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00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 10: we feel it, coaches field, everybody feels it. And uh,

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Speaker 10: that's why you fall in love with it from a

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Speaker 10: young age, and that's personally why I do it.

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Speaker 8: I'd beg for this offense to continue what you've done

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Speaker 8: over the past couple of weeks against bad defense.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we want to go out and play well, obviously, we.

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Speaker 10: Anytime you step out there and you want to execute

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Speaker 10: the playing at a high level and put points up.

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Speaker 9: And play well.

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Speaker 10: But anytime you play divisional opponent, the stakes are raised

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Speaker 10: a little bit.

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Speaker 12: Give know what you said a few years ago about

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Speaker 12: the window being your whole career. How do you kind

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Speaker 12: of square that with how the last few seasons of Gonde,

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Speaker 12: given what you expect to accomplish agin to be true?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I feel confident every time I stepped foot on

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Speaker 10: the field bit and we have a great chance to win.

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Speaker 4: And you know, really this.

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Speaker 10: Year, you know, I've played, I've played, however many games,

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Speaker 10: and we've won more than we've lost, and I feel

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Speaker 10: good about that.

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Speaker 9: All I can do is go out and.

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Speaker 10: When I'm out on the field, try to play well,

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Speaker 10: try to win, and go from there.

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Speaker 9: Chill with the calendar year ending today. What's your new

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Speaker 9: Year's resolution?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, you know obviously with Miles, you know, one

870
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Speaker 14: sack away from the record. How obviously I know you

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Speaker 14: and the entire demare.

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Speaker 9: Respect for him.

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Speaker 14: How do you how do you weigh you know, trying

874
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Speaker 14: to not let him, not necessarily let him have the

875
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Speaker 14: record against you, versus not having so much focus beyond

876
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 14: him that it takes away from what you're trying to do,

877
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 14: trying to do as far as winning the game.

878
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm certainly.

879
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 10: Not gonna overcompensate either way. I'm not gonna go out

880
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 10: of my way to not let him get the record,

881
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 10: and I'm not gonna go out of my way to

882
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 10: let him get the record either. I'm gonna go and

883
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 10: play football. There's gonna be situations that a sack is

884
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 10: the best of the bad outcomes of that play, and

885
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 10: maybe I take one. There's gonna be other situations that

886
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 10: I'm about to get sacked and I need to throw

887
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 10: it away in that situation. It's such a situational game

888
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 10: that I don't think you can go in thinking one

889
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 10: way or the other. Every play so different.

890
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Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Joe Burrow getting ready for

891
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Speaker 2: Week eighteen. Honestly a team that he's probably struggled with

892
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: more than anybody defensively in his time with the Bengals.

893
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: It's interesting, he mentions. They don't do a whole lot complex.

894
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: They're just defensively, fundamentally pretty sound, and they can get

895
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: after the quarterback, and they can guard Tea and they

896
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: can guard Jamar and that usually makes it a pretty

897
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: tough day for Burrow when they play the Browns. Let's

898
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Speaker 2: take a break, Let's talk some college supports when we

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Speaker 2: come back.

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Speaker 17: That's right.

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00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 6: Calling you and when it comes to six yeah, don't.

917
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Speaker 17: Hear the last month?

918
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 3: I like this, Aaron.

919
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Speaker 2: You're playing party music, but specific what music we played

920
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Speaker 2: at my New.

921
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Speaker 3: Year's Eve party?

922
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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean today your show.

923
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Speaker 3: It is it's New Year's Eve.

924
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Speaker 2: Like I might have to put a playlist together tonight

925
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: just to listen to of of the stuff that Tarran

926
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: played today. Is there a clean enough version of make

927
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: them say oh that you can play?

928
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Speaker 7: Or no? Yeah?

929
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Speaker 4: Serious?

930
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 3: Is it just the Uh, it's just the chorus.

931
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Speaker 2: It's not any of the it's not any of the verses.

932
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Speaker 3: Let's get to it. Rolling along in hour number two. Uh,

933
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Speaker 3: we we have.

934
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Speaker 2: We are starting to reach critical mass with with the

935
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: Dilemma in College Sports. Phone lines are open, by the way,

936
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Speaker 2: five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty Terran, I

937
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Speaker 2: did get a message from my daughter who was very

938
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Speaker 2: upset with my six seven bit earlier show me shut up.

939
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Speaker 4: You'll hear about it when you get home. I I

940
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 4: absolutely will, I absolutely will.

941
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: You're starting to hear Tom Izzoh and coach cal and

942
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: Rick Patino and some of the loudest voices in college

943
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: sports speak out about where the state of the game

944
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: is at.

945
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 4: Can we play that cale audioda?

946
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: If you'd like to do you need a minute to

947
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 3: find it?

948
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: No, I have it right here. Okay, go ahead. I'm

949
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: gonna laugh at this. By the way, when we're done.

950
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy is wonderful.

951
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 17: Well, look, I don't blame coaches.

952
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 18: You know, I've got friends that are playing with twenty

953
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 18: seven year olds and they feel bad.

954
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 17: I said, don't feel bad. We don't have any rules.

955
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 17: Why should you feel bad? But let me give you

956
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 17: this real simple. The rules bes the rules.

957
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 18: So if you put your name in the draft, I

958
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 18: don't care if you're from Russia and you stay in

959
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 18: the draft, you can't play college basketball. Well that's only

960
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 18: for American kids. What if your name is in that

961
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 18: draft and you got drafted, you can't play cup because.

962
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 17: That's our rule. Yeah, but that's only for American kids.

963
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 18: Okay, okay, now here's the next lawsuit.

964
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 17: Well, we don't have a say.

965
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Speaker 18: Over European players. You do if they're playing in college basketball,

966
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 18: so that means you don't have a say over.

967
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: High school kids.

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Speaker 17: So whatever a high school kid does before he comes here,

969
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 17: don't you do one thing because there's a suit, Because

970
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 17: what you're.

971
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Speaker 1: Saying is.

972
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Speaker 17: If he's in Europe, we don't have the same rules.

973
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Speaker 2: What is it funny to you tearing that that the

974
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: guy that has lived in the gray area is upset

975
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: because the rules aren't really enforceable right now and his

976
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: entire career is built on having the rules and then

977
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Speaker 2: knowing like his success is knowing where that gray area is.

978
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: Now there's no gray area. Everything's like everything's out in

979
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Speaker 2: the open. And you could you could make a similar

980
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: case with Rick Patino, who for a long time at

981
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: Louisville and they got in trouble for this was having

982
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Speaker 2: Adidas work outside the rules, work in the gray area

983
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 2: of the rules to get players to Louisville, to make

984
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: Louisville the best that they could be. I find it

985
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: funny that the people that have have done their most

986
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Speaker 2: impressive work living in that that middle ground are now

987
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: upset that there are no rules for them to live

988
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: in the middle ground. Of that's a little bit ironic

989
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: to me not to say that those guys cheated, even

990
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: though there's, you know, for both, some evidence that they

991
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: have broken rules in the past. But I have been

992
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: saying this for years, ever since ANIL started. And realignment

993
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: really screwed up the foundation of what was college sports,

994
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: and that was regional rivalries and conferences where there had been,

995
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: you know, things established over decades and decades and decades

996
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: of playing against each other. And I get there was

997
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: some realignment that was I don't want to call it necessary,

998
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: but that was sensible. And then there's having Oregon and

999
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: Washington and USC and UCLA and the Big Ten, and

1000
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: there's having Collin Stanford in the ACC.

1001
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 3: What about that makes it sense? None of it?

1002
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: The NCUBLEA, which is remember and here's the funny thing,

1003
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: and Danny Hurley's in town tonight. He talked a couple

1004
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: of days ago about the need for a commissioner in

1005
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: college basketball. I don't disagree with him, but there is

1006
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: essentially a commissioner in college football and college basketball. It's

1007
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: the president of the NCAA. Who's the NCAA run by

1008
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 2: the NCAA is run by the schools. The schools determine

1009
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: what the NCAA is about what the NCAA rulebook looks like.

1010
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 2: And we have a rule book that we are finding

1011
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: out that had a whole bunch of rules that do

1012
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: not stand up in a court of law. They have

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of restrictions and rules on players that

1014
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: wholly benefited the schools. Why because the schools were making

1015
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 2: the rules. So of course the table is going to

1016
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Speaker 2: be slanted towards the schools. Well, now now that it

1017
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: has become obvious that if you challenge the NCAA in court,

1018
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: the players have all the power, and the pendulum shifted

1019
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: swiftly all the way the other way, and now you're

1020
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Speaker 2: in the player empowerment area era. There's only one fix

1021
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: for this, and it's not difficult. And I've been saying

1022
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: it for years, and now because this has pushed all

1023
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: the way the opposite way, you're starting to hear everybody

1024
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: talk about it. The only way to fix this is

1025
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: collective bargaining, where you sit down and you have the

1026
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: schools and the universities and the conferences on one side,

1027
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: and you have players on the other side, and you

1028
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: develop a system that allows them to meet in the middle.

1029
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: That is fair and equitable for both sides. Getting Congress

1030
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: involved and providing antitrust exemptions isn't going to fix anything

1031
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: other than give all the powers back to the schools.

1032
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: The schools don't want to make these guys employees. That's

1033
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: the easiest answer. Make the player's employees. And if you

1034
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: make the players employees, then the players unionize and you

1035
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: develop a system where the two sides can sit down

1036
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: and figure out a middle ground that is best for

1037
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: the future going forward of college sports. But the NCAA

1038
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: does not want to give up that power because they've

1039
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: always had it and they feel like they should get

1040
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: it back. But the only way they get it back

1041
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: is to swing the pendulum all the way back to

1042
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 2: the other side, where they get all the power. They

1043
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: get all the say they have all the control on

1044
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: who plays where and when and why and how. Should

1045
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: there be NBA guys back in college, No, they shouldn't,

1046
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: But if you're going to pay people, you have to

1047
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 2: open that experience up to be fair and equitable for

1048
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: everyone that's a qualified basketball player that might be interested

1049
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: in participating in your entity. The good news is for

1050
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: most NBA guys, they're not gonna need college basketball because

1051
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 2: they have NBA contracts for a guy like James ng

1052
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 2: who's going to Baylor. The outrage was that he was

1053
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: drafted to the NBA. Guess what, He never signed an

1054
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: NBA contract. He never played a minute in the NBA.

1055
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: In fact, I think the only thing he did was

1056
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 2: make an appearance in the Summer League. So he's never

1057
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: played in the G League. He's never played in the NBA.

1058
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 2: He is a foreign basketball player that was drafted by

1059
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: the NBA, that has stayed in Europe and pretty much

1060
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: stayed under the confines of what almost all of the

1061
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: European players are held to when they come to play

1062
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: American basketball. The only difference is he has that tag

1063
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: on him that he was drafted in the NBA draft.

1064
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: But guess what, that's not Scott Drew's fault. Scott Drew's

1065
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 2: job is to make his team better. Scott Drew's job

1066
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: is to win and compete for a national championship. So

1067
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 2: if he can make his team better at Christmas Break,

1068
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: that's his responsibility to do so, just like it's the

1069
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: player's responsibility to make as much money as they can

1070
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: while they still can play basketball, and somebody is going

1071
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: to pay them for it. The problem is not the coaches.

1072
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: The problem is not the athletes. The problem is the system.

1073
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: The system. If you go through the NCAA rule book,

1074
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 2: as we're finding out, almost all of it is illegal.

1075
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: Almost all of it slands entirely towards the schools and

1076
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: entirely away from the labor force. Is that fair? Does

1077
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: that make sense to anybody? Do we all wish it

1078
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 2: could go back to a time period where money had

1079
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: not been thrown at these institutions college football and college

1080
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: basketball in droves? I mean sure, but that toothpaste isn't

1081
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: going back in the tube. So unless both sides find

1082
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 2: a desire to meet in the middle, college sports will

1083
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: continue to remain broken until there is an actual move,

1084
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 2: an actual desire for collective bargaining for one side and

1085
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 2: the other side saying, hey, this is what I need

1086
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: and the other this is what we need. Okay, let's

1087
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 2: hammer this out. Let's work on an official stance on.

1088
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: You know, the NBA has the NBA does not want

1089
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 2: straight to high school guys in the NBA Draft. The

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Speaker 2: players could want that, but they have decided it's more

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Speaker 2: important to focus on the veteran guys and keeping the

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Speaker 2: veteran guys around longer, so they want these kids to

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Speaker 2: go to college for at least a year. That's collective bargaining.

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Speaker 2: Salary cap, salary floor, how much guys can make, how

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01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: much guys can't make, When can you transfer? When can

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Speaker 2: you not transfer? Do you have to sit out? Do

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Speaker 2: you have to not sit out? All of those things

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Speaker 2: can be negotiated in collective bargaining. And we're starting to

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Speaker 2: hear people talk more about the reality that it needs

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Speaker 2: to happen, which tells me at least that eyes are

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Speaker 2: opening and we're seeing this thing needs to be fixed.

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Speaker 2: And if it's not fixed, who knows. Who knows what

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Speaker 2: the next two three years looks like. Just take a

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Speaker 2: break more after this. Phone lines are open. Five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty. This is the Moegger Show on

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports station ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. Cincinnati's

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 6: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center from non invasive

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Speaker 6: health dot com. There is good news for you this afternoon.

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Speaker 6: On westbound two seventy five an accident now cleared off

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Speaker 16: Earlier. I met e Zelic with traffic.

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Speaker 3: This report is.

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Speaker 7: Tame.

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Speaker 16: Don't have the big we have the big bank.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The president of the New Orleans University basketball team, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean you know you probably should have got his

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01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 2: son to play for him.

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Speaker 4: All they could afford him.

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01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 2: Bearcat fans will get to see him on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: I will too. You going to the game, Yes, I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna find a lak ticket to get.

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Speaker 3: Him, just to see Mercy Miller.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: You think I don't think he will be there?

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01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 4: No? No, he won't.

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Speaker 3: Probably busy.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that DJ knows to play master P?

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:18,440
Speaker 3: Maybe?

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01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll check with the train and make

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01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 2: sure he knows. Although you don't want to play stuff

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: to like like hype up your opponent.

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01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 4: I mean you see master P two.

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01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, But there's son. His son doesn't play it Cincinnati.

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01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: His son did play at one of his other son

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01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 2: did play a Xavier.

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 4: For a year. Well dressed as Xavier.

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01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was on the team.

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01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of college football going on today.

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01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: T Iowa takes down Vanderbilt. It has been it's been

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01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 2: a tough start to Bowl See. Most of ball season

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01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: for the SEC has not looked good at all. Tennessee

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01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: loses last night. Vanderbilt falls today to Iowa. How do

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01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: you let Iowa score thirty four? That's not good. That's

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: not a good Iowa offense. They put up thirty four.

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01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 2: They beat Vanderbilt in action right now. Duke leads Arizona

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01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 2: State twenty eight twenty four. That is in the third quarter.

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01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: Michigan and Texas a good old good one and the

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Speaker 2: cheese at Citrus Bowl. That one's tied at seventeen and

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01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 2: then Utah got down early, but they have bounced back.

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01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: They are up seventeen fourteen on Nebraska two minutes left

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Speaker 2: in the first half. And then tonight, tarn are you

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01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: out of here by seven thirty?

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Speaker 3: No? What time are you out of here?

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Speaker 4: At eight o'clock?

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Speaker 2: Where are you going? Do you know I'm going home,

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Speaker 2: You're going straight home. Just catch it at home. You

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01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 2: know you can't watch it with people. Yeah, no, no,

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01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 2: Ohio State and Miami tonight eight or seven thirty excuse me,

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01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: in the Cotton Bowl and then the Big Ones only

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01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 2: three games tomorrow. Do you like that they've they've shifted

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Speaker 2: New Year's Day and now it's just playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that works. You've got at noon.

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Speaker 4: Because these those playoff games like they be long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they give them four hour windows. Remember

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01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 2: on games used to be three hour windows, and you'd

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01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 2: have like you wouldn't get to watch like the whole

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01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: first quarter of your game, yep, because the other game

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01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 2: was still on. Then they moved it to three and

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Speaker 2: a half. And still you run into some problems. They

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01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 2: are going four hour windows on ESPN tomorrow Oregon Texas

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01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 2: Tech at noon, Alabama Indiana at four, and Old Miss

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01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 2: Georgia at eight. Tarren and I will we'll take a

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Speaker 2: dive into those games in the final segment of the

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Speaker 2: show today. You want to take one more break, stay

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01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 2: on the clock this hour? You want me just take it.

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Speaker 3: To the end.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we only got like three minutes to feel here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll take it to the end. You see basketball

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Speaker 2: sticking with kind of the college theme of this hour.

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 2: You see basketball back in action on Saturday against Houston.

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Speaker 2: I felt tarn I was like, man, Houston's young, it's

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Speaker 2: the start of conference play. There's a chance you can

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Speaker 2: maybe catch them a little off their game. And then

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01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: Houston goes out and kind of lays an egg on Monday.

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Speaker 2: They win, but they did not play well against Middle

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Speaker 2: Tennessee State. There were multiple points in that second half

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Speaker 2: where it was like a four or five point game.

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01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 2: Houston started to pull away, the Middle Tennessee got it back,

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01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 2: and then you hear Kelvin Samson after the game basically

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01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: apologizing to the Houston fans that were at the game

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Speaker 2: that they did not play well, that they did not

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01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,480
Speaker 2: play hard, that they got outplayed, that they got out hustled,

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01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 2: that their effort was not good, and tarn there is

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01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 2: no worst sign for a team in college basketball. Then

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01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,440
Speaker 2: getting ready to play Houston and Kelvin Samson being unhappy

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01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 2: with their effort. I joked yesterday on the bcjpod with

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 2: Dave Simo and that we do for barkat Journal, they

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01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 2: might not even put the the they might not they

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01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 2: play with They'll practice a lot with that round bubble

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01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 2: that goes over the hoop, so everything is a rebound

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01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: that nothing can go into the basket that might not

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01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: have come off the rim yesterday and today as Houston

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Speaker 2: gets ready for Cincinnati on Saturday. It's an interesting Houston

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Speaker 2: team because Kelvin Samson has generally stayed pretty old with

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Speaker 2: his rosters.

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Speaker 3: They have generally.

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01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: Relied on kind of that foot soldier mentality, next guy up.

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 2: And this year they went out and they got a

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01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 2: bunch of freshmen and they still have three really good veterans.

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01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: Jojo Tuggler, they're big guy is very good, Shadon Sharp,

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01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 2: the shooter is very good, and then Milos Uzon their

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Speaker 2: point guard. Those three guys are all excellent. Their best player, though,

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01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: I think, is a freshman in Kingston Flemings, who plays

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01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 2: the wing. Excellent scorer, can score from all three levels,

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: can get to the rim, good at the free throw line,

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01:15:54,200 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: not a great defender yet, but he's our most dynamic

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01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: offensive weapon. And then you have Chris Sinak who plays

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Speaker 2: the five for them, who is a five star and

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01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: as physically talented is just about anybody in the country,

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01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 2: especially for big guys. But that is not something Kelvin

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01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 2: Samson is used to over the past five six seven years,

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01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 2: six seven, five six years that the Cougars have really

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01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 2: been on this run. They've got foot soldiers that come

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01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: off the bench, They've got guys that know their role.

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01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 2: They've got bigs that come in with fouls to give

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01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: and know to be aggressive and exactly how Houston wants

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01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 2: to double the post and get the ball out of

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01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 2: the hands of your best players and apply pressure. And

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 2: that is not yet who this Houston team is. But

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01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to catch them with their

1239
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 2: guard down coming off a game that Kelvin Samson was

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01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: that upset with their performance.

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01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 3: So we'll see.

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01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: I'd like to be optimistic that Cincinnati could pull off

1243
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 2: the massive upset and get this win to start Big

1244
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 2: twelve play. My hopes aren't ultra high. Let's take a break.

1245
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 2: We'll talk some Reds when we come back, and Richard

1246
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 2: Skinner as well, coming up on our three of the

1247
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 2: Moegger shows.

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01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 3: Since ATI's ESPN twteen.

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01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: Thirty, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty, traffic.

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01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 6: From the UC Health Traffic Center from Non invasive to

1251
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,800
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1252
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,679
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Speaker 6: Greater Cincinnati and northern Kentucky. Learn more at UCHealth dot com.

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01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,600
Speaker 6: There is good news for you this afternoon. On westbound

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Speaker 6: two seventy five. An accident now cleared off in Ohio

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Speaker 6: between seventy one and Reed Hartman Highway. A vehicle had

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Speaker 6: struck the wauled in through there earlier. I'm at Ezelac

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Speaker 6: with traffic.

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Speaker 3: This report is sponsor advice.

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Speaker 15: The season and the Bengals are looking to finish with

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01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,959
Speaker 15: a win. To do it, they have to beat the Browns.

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01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 15: I have some comments about Cleveland, but I probably shouldn't

1263
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 15: share them. Will Zach Taylor's team pull off the Battle

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01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 15: of Ohio the Bengals Battle of the Browns. Get the

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01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 15: call live from Dan Hord and Dave Levin. The game

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01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 15: kicks off at one VA, with coverage starting at nine

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Speaker 15: am Someday. Stream for free are the new and improved

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Speaker 15: iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of

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01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 15: the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Here we go our number three, The Mullager Show. Since

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Speaker 2: Atti's ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm not Mowegar. I am Chad

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01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 2: Brendle here for the last hour of the year. Thank

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01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 2: you as always for choosing me. It has been a

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01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 2: pleasure to share the airwaves with you. In twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: we will We'll go to Bengals game plan. So what's

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01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 2: after this? Bengals game plan? After this? But as far

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01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 2: as the in studio shows on the regular schedule here

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01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: at ESPN fifteen thirty, this is the officially the last

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01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 2: show of the year. As you get paid double for this,

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01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 2: I should be getting paid double for this Christmas Eve,

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01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve. I was here the day after Christmas,

1282
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: I was here on Black Friday. But you know that

1283
01:19:52,800 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 2: is tarn, just the life of the filling guy for

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01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 2: a producer, like you're you're screwed anyway it goes. You're

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01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 2: hear all the days here, all the days right, There's

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01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 2: there's nobody on the bottom of the totem pole that

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01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, you're going to work today.

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01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to take the day off, is what it is, unfortunately.

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01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 3: But but you.

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01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 2: Get to spend your holidays and days in and around

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01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 2: holidays with tarn and I and that's that's a good thing.

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01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 2: Over at the Centas Center, Yukon and Xavier have tipped off.

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01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 2: They are underway, Yukon out to an early nine to

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01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 2: three lead. I was kind of trying to, uh just

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01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 2: stall there to see Xavier's at the free throw line

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01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 2: to see if Malik Massina Moore would make the second

1297
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 2: free throw, and he does so. Now it's nine to four.

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01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 2: Xavier trails in the first segment. Over at Sentas Center

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01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 2: against the Yukon Huskies and the world's biggest Bengals fan,

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01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 2: Danny Hurley. You think he just sticks around at Sunday's

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01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 2: a long way away. Probably not gonna get stick around

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Speaker 2: for the for the game. It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's let's let's get to a little bit of.

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01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 4: Reds here as they play anyway.

1305
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 3: Oh that's right. I don't know what day it is.

1306
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 2: I am bad when holidays fall, like like midweek, late week.

1307
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 2: I just absolutely lose track of what day it is.

1308
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, right, Wednesday? Tomorrow's Thursday? Yes, okay, good, so yeah,

1309
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 2: that would make sense. They're playing today and then you

1310
01:21:53,280 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 2: play again on the weekend. Let's get to some Reds

1311
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 2: as I'm just curious with when you talk about the

1312
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 2: direction of the Reds, the planning, the intention, the strategy

1313
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 2: that comes into running a professional sports franchise, and it

1314
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 2: doesn't make a lot of sense to me the way

1315
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 2: that a lot of things are done here, because it

1316
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: feels like there's no long term vision, there's no long

1317
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: term outlook on how this plays out. Because if you

1318
01:22:52,439 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 2: remember twenty twenty three, that was basically years you started

1319
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 2: Spencer Steer up in the major leagues. You had already

1320
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 2: had a season of Green and Lodolo, you had Matt

1321
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: McLain and Elie de la Cruz waiting in the wings.

1322
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 2: They were brought up later in the year. The youth

1323
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: movement continued throughout that year. That was twenty twenty three. Okay,

1324
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four is the first full season for all

1325
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,759
Speaker 2: of those guys minus Matt McLain who missed with an injury.

1326
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: Then twenty twenty five, second full season with all those guys,

1327
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 2: and the arbitration clock at that point is ticking. You've

1328
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 2: got Hunter Green going into year four, You've got Lodolo

1329
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 2: going into year four, You've got Abbott going into essentially

1330
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 2: year three, de la Cruise into year three, Steer into

1331
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: year three. McLain because of injury, only into year two.

1332
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 2: But you've got Noelle ve Marte that came up and

1333
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 2: started showing some promise. Now you've got South through Ward

1334
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 2: that came up and showed some promise. You got a

1335
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 2: lot of good young arms in the bullpen that you

1336
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 2: have under team control. You have good pitching throughout your organization.

1337
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 2: Did they not sit in twenty twenty three and say,

1338
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: let's gain experience, let's build these guys up, and then

1339
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 2: when we get to twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven,

1340
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: we have a chance to really make a splash as

1341
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 2: much as low market mid market teams are going to

1342
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 2: have to make a splash because there's no urgency. It

1343
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like to me the Schwarber thing, they were

1344
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: not serious about landing Kyle Schwarber. That was a pr stunt.

1345
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: If you think otherwise, I don't know what to tell you.

1346
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 2: They did not make a serious offer with the intention

1347
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 2: of making it impossible for Schwarber to say no to

1348
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 2: the World Series caliber franchise.

1349
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 3: That he's playing with.

1350
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 2: He's gonna turn down five million dollars a year that's

1351
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 2: the hometown discount. You are outside of your dagone mind

1352
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 2: over the length of that contract. That was an extra

1353
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 2: year that the Reds weren't willing to give him. Five

1354
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: year contract five million dollars a year, twenty five million

1355
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 2: dollars he was going to leave on the table because

1356
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: he's from Middletown.

1357
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 3: Come on.

1358
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 2: But the point being, the clock is ticking on this core.

1359
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 2: There's somebody standing at the finish line with the stopwatch.

1360
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,759
Speaker 2: We know how this works. These guys are not gonna

1361
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 2: be Reds in the seventh, eighth, ninth year of their

1362
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 2: professional careers. You've got them for the first six and

1363
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 2: you just happened to hit a spurt where you had

1364
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of them that came up together. Last time

1365
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 2: that really happened the early twenty tens, Quato and Volkez

1366
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 2: and Bruce and Todd Frazier and Brandon Phillips and Joey

1367
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,759
Speaker 2: Vado was still young really essentially at that point in time,

1368
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: and they had a team that could go for it.

1369
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 2: So the question I have is do they not have

1370
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: DoD They either a not have a plan, which is

1371
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: very possible for this ownership group. Do they not have

1372
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 2: a plan, and every year they're just winging it. Let's

1373
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 2: let's get to the off season, we'll figure out what

1374
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 2: the books look like, and we'll decide. Okay, this year,

1375
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,600
Speaker 2: we decided we have twenty million dollars to spend in

1376
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 2: the offseason. That is, to retain or replace the guys

1377
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: that were on last year's roster on top of making

1378
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 2: this year's roster better. What have they done to make

1379
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 2: this year's roster better? At this point tomorrow is January.

1380
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 2: Spring training starts in February. They've added guys. Maybe maybe

1381
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 2: one or two of these guys they've added turnout to

1382
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 2: have a good year. Okay, great, What have they done

1383
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,759
Speaker 2: that's got anybody talking about? How demonstrably better the twenty

1384
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 2: twenty six Cincinnati Reds are going to be than the

1385
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five version that won eighty three games, because

1386
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: it looks like this is what they want. Eighty two

1387
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 2: wins in twenty three, seventy seven wins in twenty four,

1388
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 2: eighty three wins in twenty five. They want to be

1389
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 2: right in that variant around five hundred couple games over

1390
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 2: a couple games under. They finished third in the division

1391
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 2: in twenty three fourth and twenty four, third and twenty five.

1392
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 2: And if you watch the Brewers and the Cubs last year,

1393
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: they are miles ahead of the Reds miles, which means

1394
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 2: you have to be active, you have to do something.

1395
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 2: Where did this team need it in the middle of

1396
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 2: the lineup and they haven't gone out and done anything.

1397
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 2: Schwarber was not happening. I think we all deep downnew that, like, yeah,

1398
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 2: it's nice to think about kid from Middletown. Okay, that

1399
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 2: would be great. It wasn't happening. So now you have

1400
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 2: this franchise that is sitting in the middle of the

1401
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 2: window with a young core that is all very talented

1402
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 2: and has the ability if you get them some help,

1403
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 2: to maybe make some noise, and instead you have once

1404
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 2: again put all the weight, all the pressure on this

1405
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 2: young group to do it all themselves because the front

1406
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 2: office wants to do it on the cheap. The only

1407
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 2: guy they have on a long term contract out of

1408
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 2: that young core Hunter Green, And really all they did

1409
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 2: was buy out his arbitration so that they could get

1410
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 2: it cheaper, because if he went to arbitration, it's going

1411
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 2: to cost a lot more than what that contract is

1412
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 2: giving him. This fan base for the Reds deserves better

1413
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,759
Speaker 2: than an ownership group that's just interested in being okay,

1414
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 2: that doesn't have a long term plan. If you had

1415
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 2: a long term plan, you just sat in those big

1416
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 2: offices in twenty twenty three and structured okay, twenty four,

1417
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, Let's see what these

1418
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 2: next four years look like, and let's try to go

1419
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 2: for it. When these guys are in their mid twenties,

1420
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 2: entering their prime, at their best, get them some veteran

1421
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 2: help build a real contending ball club around them. Good

1422
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 2: pitching staff, good young fielding, but they need help on

1423
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 2: the at the plate. And instead you're getting guys that

1424
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 2: have done things like slash two twelve batting average, three

1425
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 2: h four on base percentage, you know, six hundred and

1426
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 2: fifty seven hundred slugging, and you think that's not only

1427
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,879
Speaker 2: going to get you to the top of this division,

1428
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:52,560
Speaker 2: but to the top of the National League. It's frustrating

1429
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 2: because if they don't have a plan, why should we

1430
01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 2: Why should we have optimism that this franchise what they're

1431
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 2: doing moving forward?

1432
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 3: Just take a break.

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01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:08,679
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1447
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01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 4: Damn, it feels good to be a gang.

1449
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 3: Welcome back, rolling through hour number three.

1450
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 2: Oh real, things not going well at the Centas Center.

1451
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 2: It's twenty five to six yukon about eleven or about

1452
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 2: nine minutes excuse me, nine minutes into the game over there,

1453
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:28,520
Speaker 2: so uh not off to a great start for the Muskies.

1454
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 2: As Danny Hurley and company are hot. Let's get to

1455
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 2: Richard Skinner, the digital sports editor at Local twelve. You

1456
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 2: can find him on the Twitter machine at Local twelve.

1457
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 2: Skinny Skinny knew this was probably gonna be a tough

1458
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 2: one for the Muskies, but twenty five to six is uh,

1459
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:49,839
Speaker 2: it's a hard one to swallow.

1460
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 8: It.

1461
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 7: Just texted me to see you ticket holder, and he said,

1462
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 7: between the Creton game and this crap, it's like sixty three.

1463
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah, it's a good point. I was overmatched.

1464
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't think it's gonna be the case

1465
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 7: in a ton of big but in certain ones like today,

1466
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 7: ye're overmatched.

1467
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:15,799
Speaker 2: And look, I think in spite of Creighton and what's happening,

1468
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 2: I think that makes the job Richard Patino has been

1469
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 2: doing even more impressive.

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01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 7: Yes, no, I agree with you. I listen. I mean

1471
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 7: he got to build a roster fairly late in the process.

1472
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:27,600
Speaker 7: That's always hard to do. I know Mark pulled that

1473
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 7: off of Kentucky last year, but that's probably the exception.

1474
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 2: Is a lot more money to spend at Kentucky.

1475
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 7: Correct, No, no, correct, I mean yeah, I mean all

1476
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 7: the things you want to have in your favorite you

1477
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 7: have them at Kentucky, so he get that going for him.

1478
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 7: But yeah, I'm with you, and it's funny. I went

1479
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 7: to a game early in the year against Lemoine, and

1480
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 7: you know, their bottom of the barrel, you know, in

1481
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,600
Speaker 7: the pecking order, and they and Xavie looked awful, like

1482
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 7: they couldn't keep those dudes in front of them. And

1483
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 7: I honestly just watching it, but they are gonna win

1484
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 7: eight games total if they're lucky. And yet he did

1485
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 7: the lineup tweak and it worked, doubt and it's probably

1486
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 7: not a lineup it's gonna work against teams like this

1487
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 7: today because you're just not physically good enough. But you know,

1488
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 7: I know you want to say you measure yourself by

1489
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 7: games like that. Don't think you do. I think you

1490
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 7: measure yourself against the teams that you have a chance

1491
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 7: to beat in the league. I mean, at Georgetown, winn

1492
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 7: can't be discounted. I don't think Georgetown's great, but I'll

1493
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 7: bet you they give Saint John's a game today or tonight.

1494
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 7: You know it's it's at Georgetown, and Saint John's has

1495
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 7: been fairly middling. I like Saint John's. I do think

1496
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,679
Speaker 7: they're good. But at the same time, they haven't proven

1497
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 7: the world beaters yet, So yeah, today, I think today

1498
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 7: was always going to be ugly. I mean it's still

1499
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 7: early in the game. But I don't know how that

1500
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 7: gets that gets turned around, because it probably doesn't. It

1501
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 7: probably snow Ballsy Morse.

1502
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 2: Well, it's gone five though Yukon since we started, so

1503
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 2: now it's thirty to.

1504
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 3: Six instead of.

1505
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's worked out great.

1506
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 2: It looks a lot like you see and Clemson that

1507
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 2: first half where Buddy, maybe we'll get to UC and

1508
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 2: West Miller before we get done here, but let's get

1509
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 2: to the Bengals. Normally, in situations like the end of

1510
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 2: this year where they have done so much losing and

1511
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 2: really didn't have much hope for this season if you

1512
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 2: look back three four weeks ago, I actually have been

1513
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 2: okay with what's happened over the past couple weeks. I

1514
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 2: think guys are developing. It's hard to tell how much

1515
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 2: against two pretty bad teams that they've played the last

1516
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 2: two weeks. But Skinny, you had to find something to

1517
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 2: build around on this defense because you can't get eleven

1518
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 2: new guys, and I think you're starting to see at

1519
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:38,560
Speaker 2: least al Golden's system.

1520
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 3: Looks like it's okay.

1521
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,759
Speaker 2: They played bad teams and the defense looked like trash

1522
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 2: earlier in the season. They look better now. The past

1523
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,679
Speaker 2: defense looks okay. Murphy looks like he's given you something.

1524
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 2: DJ Turner and Dax Hill look like you can build

1525
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 2: around them. Mccorner, I have not been as upset as

1526
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 2: I thought I would be on a team that should

1527
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 2: be battling for draft positions but instead is trying to

1528
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 2: build momentum for twenty twenty six.

1529
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, and listen, I mean you you play the game,

1530
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 7: and you coach the game to go win, play it

1531
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 7: to go tank, right. I mean that there's a rule

1532
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 7: and there's excitement to winning. You know, that's what you

1533
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 7: that's what you work a whole week for in the NFL,

1534
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 7: is to go win. I know fans don't want to

1535
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 7: hear some of that because they want the draft position.

1536
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 7: They don't want the front office to be Buffalo, and

1537
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 7: I don't either. I listen to your point. I think

1538
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 7: that's the biggest takeaway. I wrote it after the Miami

1539
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 7: game of Hey, these guys should feel good that they

1540
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 7: got to win, and you're starting to see a little

1541
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 7: bit of progress from individuals, but the front office can't

1542
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 7: get forward into thinking all is right because all is

1543
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 7: still not right. It's not even close to being right.

1544
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,799
Speaker 7: But you do want to see the individuals take steps forward.

1545
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 7: I talked to god Soil for a little bit today

1546
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 7: for a story on Friday. I mean, he has really

1547
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 7: solidified himself as a quality outside corner in this league.

1548
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 7: And you know they bounced him around. You played a

1549
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 7: little bit there last year to start the year, then

1550
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 7: got hurt. He's played safety slot. I mean, it feels

1551
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 7: like you've got to really good outside corners at the

1552
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,719
Speaker 7: moment moving forward. That's a step forward. Is Miles Murphy

1553
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 7: gonna be all Pro at any point? Probably not, but

1554
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,600
Speaker 7: has at least shown you at the very least he

1555
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 7: is a solid you know, Sam hubbardish type player. Was

1556
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,760
Speaker 7: still some upside to go. Yes, the rookie linebackers still

1557
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 7: have their issues, and you may need to bring in

1558
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 7: a veteran that play alongside in one of them next

1559
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 7: year as a starter, but maybe not. Maybe you when

1560
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 7: you decompress the season, you say, man, each week they

1561
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,679
Speaker 7: got better at doing this, and the little thing started

1562
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:30,640
Speaker 7: getting better, and the game slowed down and now we

1563
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 7: have a whole kind of off season and and you

1564
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 7: know in the Aples and the Maze and then the

1565
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 7: mini camps to kind of get them even further along

1566
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 7: in the program. But you do to your I mean,

1567
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:43,640
Speaker 7: you still need a lot, You need at least a

1568
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 7: three technique. You need at least a veteran quality safety

1569
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 7: that can start. You need again, buy another edge to

1570
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 7: add to the mix. But it's not so much like

1571
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 7: if you'd ask me this at the buy and I gone, yeah,

1572
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 7: I got DJ Turner in PEN. I got nobody else

1573
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,839
Speaker 7: written down and Penn at the moment you feel everybody

1574
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 7: the other guys I might haven't a field on the pencil,

1575
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 7: I got none of them in Pen. I got DJ

1576
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 7: Turner at PEN. I think now you can at least

1577
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 7: pen in some other guys and say yeah, they taking

1578
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 7: enough step forwards to believe that there are at least

1579
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 7: some level of cornerstone to this defense.

1580
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 2: And the nice part is like you're talking your number

1581
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 2: one edge rusher and your number one and two corners.

1582
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 2: Those are the most expensive pieces on defense. Yes, so

1583
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 2: you have to you have to remake the defense, but

1584
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 2: you don't have to do it at the at the

1585
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 2: top a spots.

1586
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 7: No, that's the other part. And I think if you

1587
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 7: if you address most of your needs there in free agency,

1588
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 7: you know, the offensive side of the ball doesn't need

1589
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 7: much addressing. Could you use a little more depth of guard? Probably?

1590
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 19: Uh?

1591
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 7: Well, who've you have resigned ault riser? Yeah? Probably, and

1592
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 7: it probably won't cost you a ton. Could you use certainty?

1593
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 7: When could you? You? Could you need a swing tackle,

1594
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 7: a backup swing tackle at least add to the mix there.

1595
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 7: But otherwise, do you need a quarterback? You need a

1596
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 7: backup and that might be Joe Flacco. You could use

1597
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 7: a better third wide receiver than what you got, but

1598
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 7: it's not pressing. You got a ton of tight ends.

1599
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 7: And you are gonna get Eric all back. I don't

1600
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 7: know what you know level he's gonna be into another

1601
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 7: knee injury. But you get Eric all back and he

1602
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 7: was greatly he was healthy last year. You're finding it

1603
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 7: running back. I mean, you don't have much to address

1604
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 7: on the offensive side. So it does give you some

1605
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,640
Speaker 7: clarity of here are the positions of need and for me,

1606
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 7: it's it would be three technique safety, edge rusher. And

1607
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 7: then let's see where we're at in the pecking room

1608
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 7: and probably cornerback as well, somewhere in that mix. But

1609
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 7: it's not like you need ten now, you need you know,

1610
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 7: five or six, and that's a better place to be.

1611
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 2: You feel a lot more confident going into the offseason

1612
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 2: you need five or six than oh my god, our

1613
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 2: entire defense needs blown up and we have to start

1614
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 2: over again.

1615
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 7: No I thought. I thought, honestly, at the buy this

1616
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 7: looked like at least a two year overhaul and not

1617
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 7: to asking a lot to go through two more years

1618
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 7: of Joe Burrow, maybe not making the playoffs because you

1619
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 7: had to overhaul the defense again. I don't think we're there,

1620
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 7: and I think I think it proves in the putty.

1621
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 7: I mean since the bye wee can to your point,

1622
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 7: I mean, the last TEW team's have been awful. I mean,

1623
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 7: nobody's got sugarcoat that. You're not trying to sugarcoat that either,

1624
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 7: and they have been awful. But since the bye week

1625
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,679
Speaker 7: they've only allowed one offense to score more than nineteen

1626
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 7: points on them, and that was Buffalo. And even in

1627
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 7: the Buffalo game, it was a pick six that gave

1628
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 7: some points, then another tipped interception that led to some

1629
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 7: points that The defense again wasn't great, and they obviously

1630
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 7: gave up a big scramble late in the game. They

1631
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:24,160
Speaker 7: did give up some yards to Josh Allen in the game,

1632
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 7: but for the most part, they've played winning football since

1633
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 7: the bye week, and I think that's all you can

1634
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 7: hope for. And then you've got the Joe Burrow offense

1635
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 7: that that goofy Baltimore week and Baltimore game aside, where

1636
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna I'm gonna red exit and go that's

1637
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 7: the biggest outlier game and outlier week. I think we're

1638
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 7: ever gonna see from from him and from that offense,

1639
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 7: they've gone, you know, thirty two points, thirty four points

1640
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 7: against Buffalo, forty five points against Miami, and thirty seven

1641
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 7: points calling off the Dogs early in the fourth quarter

1642
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,679
Speaker 7: in this last game. Yeah, you could argue an opponent,

1643
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 7: but that's what this offense is capable of, because you

1644
01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 7: know why, Chad, We've seen this offense do that.

1645
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw him do it with Joe Flacco, much

1646
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 3: less Joe Burrow.

1647
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 7: Yeah right, No, that's right, that's right. Yeah, the Jets

1648
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:07,440
Speaker 7: game in the in the Bears game specifically.

1649
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I just I thought I would I'm generally

1650
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 2: in a place with this franchise that says they stink

1651
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 2: drafting outside the top five, so try to get into

1652
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 2: the top five. Well, when you look at the standings

1653
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 2: in the NFL, I don't think they're going to be

1654
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 2: I don't think that even if they lost out, they

1655
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 2: were going to get in the top five, or if

1656
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 2: they went one and two and boy, how terrible would

1657
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 2: you feel about things if the defense was still bad

1658
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 2: and they went one and two against three dregs of

1659
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 2: the NFL down the stretch. I like, I think it

1660
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 2: would be even more panic mode than the fact that

1661
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 2: they're seven and ten. If they beat the Browns and

1662
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 2: what they're going to draft probably tenth, eleventh, twelfth, I

1663
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 2: can deal with that.

1664
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I'm with you on that. I you know,

1665
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 7: I get it. I mean, you want to be as

1666
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 7: high as possible to get the reset button started. But

1667
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 7: let's just say that the Joe Burrow Baltimore performance was

1668
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 7: turned in by two more Jill Borough performances where you're like, oh, brother,

1669
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 7: what's wrong with this guy? What is wrong with this

1670
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 7: Instead it's literally you just go okay. So was gong

1671
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 7: on that week with him? He sounded like a kook.

1672
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 7: He played like a kouk. But it's only one week

1673
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 7: and he bounced back from that, and so, okay, I

1674
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,800
Speaker 7: don't know what happened there, but I'm just gonna take

1675
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:19,599
Speaker 7: it and say it just it happens. Just occasionally this league,

1676
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 7: goofy stuff happens, and it was a goofy week for him.

1677
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 7: It's a goofy week for them. They gets shut out,

1678
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 7: but otherwise he's bounced back from that. Looks like vinctage

1679
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow. The last two.

1680
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:33,520
Speaker 2: Weeks he has typically had some issues with this Cleveland defense.

1681
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 2: Do you expect another one this week where it's like,

1682
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 2: we're not sure exactly what Joe we're gonna get because

1683
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 2: Cleveland does a has historically done a really good job

1684
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:44,639
Speaker 2: defending Joe Burrow.

1685
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 7: I mean they're good. I mean they're they're averaging I

1686
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 7: think two dred and seventy eight yards per game allowed.

1687
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:52,839
Speaker 7: It is a quality defense against a lot of teams.

1688
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 7: But yet, to your point, they've kind of had a

1689
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow's number. I mean, even the one year here

1690
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 7: a few years ago, Hayden gets a picket Picke at

1691
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 7: the goal line and runs nine nine or other, Denzel

1692
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:04,679
Speaker 7: Ward brother gets a pick at the goal line, runs

1693
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 7: niney nine yards the other way for a touchdown. I'm

1694
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 7: fascinated by this game just because the offense is clicking,

1695
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 7: and they're all healthy, and the offensive line is playing well,

1696
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 7: and Chase Brown is adding juice. I am fat if

1697
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 7: they turn in another really good performance. I don't know

1698
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 7: that's gonna be the thirties or not against this team,

1699
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 7: but at least, you know, a winning performance. You put

1700
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 7: up yards, you don't really sputter because you keep converting

1701
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 7: third downs and all those things. Then you go, Okay,

1702
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 7: that's that's a good way to finish this season. Otherwise

1703
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 7: you know it's not. Then you can maybe look and go, gosh,

1704
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 7: they still have their number. I. I do fear my

1705
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:42,680
Speaker 7: only fearing this game, and I'm not the only one

1706
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:44,639
Speaker 7: that's gonna say this and the only one that's gonna

1707
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 7: believe this. I just fear my house, Garrett. I just

1708
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,679
Speaker 7: I mean fear him in the way of him coming

1709
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 7: clean and doing something to your borrow. That would be

1710
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 7: my one fear here is the dude's going for the

1711
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 7: sack record. Yeah. The Bengals wild put a lot of

1712
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 7: focal point on him him, and they do anyway, but man,

1713
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 7: we've seen him wreck them sometimes and I just man,

1714
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 7: that's when I one fear is if Joe Burrow, just

1715
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 7: in this game, can for one time just say hey,

1716
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 7: I hear him coming. I'm getting this out of my hand.

1717
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 7: I'm not going to try to be brave. That would

1718
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 7: be a good thing for all.

1719
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 2: I agree. I have a question on the redskinny. Sure

1720
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 2: does it bother you? In my view, this franchise knew

1721
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, Okay, we're gonna we brought this

1722
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 2: young core up. The window is open, the clock is ticking,

1723
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 2: and then you go. Twenty twenty four was really the

1724
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:43,679
Speaker 2: first year with a lot of those guys together. Twenty

1725
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 2: twenty five the second year. Now you're building. You made

1726
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:50,799
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Shouldn't there have been a plan that hatched

1727
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three that in twenty twenty six and

1728
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven there was an opportunity to go an

1729
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 2: opportunity with the this window open, with this young core,

1730
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 2: with Hunter Green, with Ellie Daylight Cruise, to say, let's

1731
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 2: go out and make ourselves significantly better in this little

1732
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 2: window that we have. And what does it tell you

1733
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 2: that they didn't or haven't.

1734
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 7: Well, well, I think part of the plan was always

1735
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 7: going to be Matt McClain was going to turn into

1736
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 7: a dude Christian and Caronascio Straam was going to turn

1737
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:27,839
Speaker 7: into a dude. Ellie was already turning into a dude.

1738
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 7: And I don't blame them for that part of the

1739
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 7: plan changing once you kind of realized. But even in

1740
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 7: twenty four when you kind of realize, ces ain't it.

1741
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 7: McLain is hurt and we don't know what he's going

1742
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 7: to be. And then after you come off the year

1743
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 7: you just came off of where you scratch away into

1744
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:45,719
Speaker 7: the playoffs and you know are clearly a big bat

1745
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:48,519
Speaker 7: away at a minimum from taking the next step forward.

1746
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 7: There had to be a plan this offseason and that's

1747
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 7: why Listen, I don't mind the moves they made this

1748
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 7: past week. Those are death piece, isn't it? But there

1749
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 7: there has to be another move. There has to be

1750
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 7: another move for a bat, whatever that is, trade, whether

1751
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 7: it's a signing, and the scene that confounds me, and

1752
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 7: it's I think the most frustrating part is the whole

1753
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 7: narrative of well we were gonna spend up one hundred

1754
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 7: and thirty million for Kyles Swarber. No, you weren't easy

1755
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 7: to say that when you knew where the bar was.

1756
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:15,280
Speaker 7: And even if you said that knowing where the bar was,

1757
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,719
Speaker 7: it wasn't gonna make any difference. But now that that's supposed,

1758
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,679
Speaker 7: that narratives out there, Okay, do something with a hundred

1759
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 7: and thirty million you said you were gonna do with

1760
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 7: Kylis sh Warber, right, I mean, that's the part that

1761
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 7: confounds me, that that if you said that that's where

1762
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 7: you're gonna go with Kyle Schwarber, why can't you use

1763
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:30,719
Speaker 7: that money for somebody else?

1764
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 2: I think we both know they never had it, and

1765
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 2: like they would have, they would have not they would

1766
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 2: have panicked at a level hard to even fathom. If

1767
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 2: Schwarber would have been like, all right, cool, I'll take it.

1768
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, correct. And that's the that's why it's so

1769
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 7: easy when when and that's and I'm not blaming Jeff Passing.

1770
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 7: He was a terrific baseball rider and he was the

1771
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 7: one that reported that's what the Reds were gonna do.

1772
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 7: But it's so easy for for a source to say, hey,

1773
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 7: we're gonna send up one hundred and thirty mil. If

1774
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 7: you put that in your story, I mean, that's what

1775
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:03,880
Speaker 7: we're gonna do. Sweetees Hey, listen, man, I got fifty grand.

1776
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 7: I go to the Ferrari deal and the Ferrari guy goes, no,

1777
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 7: it's seventy five grand. Well, I still have my fifty grand. Right,

1778
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 7: I go buy a different car fifty grand. Right, a

1779
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,479
Speaker 7: nice car for fifty grand. Why can't they do that

1780
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 7: with one hundred and thirty grand.

1781
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:16,720
Speaker 3: It's frustrating.

1782
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:19,640
Speaker 2: I'm just frustrated with this franchise because it feels like

1783
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 2: they should have had a sense of Okay, we know

1784
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 2: this is building, and then twenty six, twenty seven, boy,

1785
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 2: let's hit it. Let's get this thing, go get that

1786
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 2: big middle of the order bat and whatever, you know

1787
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 2: whatever pieces that they felt that they were short, because

1788
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 2: I don't think there are a lot of pieces short,

1789
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 2: but there are a couple glaring pieces short.

1790
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 7: Yeah. No, I I'm going to give them small benefit

1791
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:48,240
Speaker 7: of the doubt at the moment, because you got about

1792
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 7: another solid month to do some stuff. They will do

1793
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,640
Speaker 7: something before they report to spring training, but it's not

1794
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:56,680
Speaker 7: barring that, Chad. I think this has been an extraordinarily

1795
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:57,679
Speaker 7: disappointing offseason.

1796
01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:59,680
Speaker 2: It's like the guy, the meme of the guy with

1797
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:02,599
Speaker 2: the put like poking the dead guy, Like do something,

1798
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:10,160
Speaker 2: do something, do anything anything? College Sports, Skinny, Is this savable?

1799
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 2: Is this fixable? Is the only way to fix it?

1800
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 2: What I've been saying since we were doing the college

1801
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 2: basketball edition of the Skinny Podcast, Collective bargaining is the

1802
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,560
Speaker 2: only thing that saves this.

1803
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's the only way, because, uh, it's

1804
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 7: the whole you know, this kid in the G League

1805
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 7: coming in and the NBA guys being talked about coming

1806
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 7: into play. Good luck, good luck if that goes to court,

1807
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 7: the NCAA winning a stoppage of that, right, I won't. No,

1808
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:40,880
Speaker 7: that's my point. And so it used to be that,

1809
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:43,800
Speaker 7: you know, in the amateurs and days of if you

1810
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,679
Speaker 7: were paid anything professionally, you couldn't play. Well, those days

1811
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:48,519
Speaker 7: are going now because the kids are being paid, which

1812
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 7: is fine. That's where we're out with this. But that's

1813
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 7: opened that loophole now for other ways to go. Wait

1814
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:54,720
Speaker 7: a minute, guys, and eligibilly left my guy in the

1815
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 7: G League. You can make more money here with us

1816
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 7: for a couple of years and then go back and

1817
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:01,599
Speaker 7: improve your stock. And I know everybody's you know, yelling

1818
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:04,320
Speaker 7: and moaning about it, and I get it. I probably

1819
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 7: would be too, but I mean, you know, way, God

1820
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 7: love Baylor for looking to going here's the loophole. Let's

1821
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 7: go exploit it.

1822
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 2: Uh before I let you go, ken palm? What do

1823
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:17,120
Speaker 2: you think ken palm predicts the final score of UC

1824
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:18,680
Speaker 2: Houston will be on Saturday.

1825
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm gonna I don't want to be mean, but

1826
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go Houston seventy one. You see forty.

1827
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 2: Six ken palm, which is skinny. You know this ken

1828
01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 2: palm is usually very close to where the betting line opens, right, yep, yep, yep.

1829
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 2: Seventy to sixty three. How fast are you going to

1830
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 2: your phone to bet Houston if it opens under eight.

1831
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:43,719
Speaker 3: And a half.

1832
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:48,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that seems like a pretty logical Houston play.

1833
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 7: I know it's on the road, and I hate playing

1834
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 7: road favorites no matter how good they are. Houston's just

1835
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 7: stinking good man.

1836
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 3: I Dan Calvin's pissed off basketball.

1837
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:00,120
Speaker 7: Yeah right, They're my favorite team in college basketball. You

1838
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:02,479
Speaker 7: know what. To his credit, he has he has a

1839
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:04,600
Speaker 7: team that he knows what he wants the identity to be.

1840
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 7: He recruits to that identity, he coaches that identity, and

1841
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 7: they are just they're just going to hit you in

1842
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 7: the chest and they're gonna take your offense and they're

1843
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 7: gonna move it forward. You want to run it about

1844
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 7: fifteen feet further out in the court, and you're gonna

1845
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:17,599
Speaker 7: look around the end of the shot clock going why

1846
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 7: am I here? And why do I have the ball

1847
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 7: in my hands? And by gosh, I got a chuck one.

1848
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:22,559
Speaker 7: And this is not a knock on just you. That's

1849
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 7: against everybody, but especially against this UC team which is

1850
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 7: offensively challenged. I think it's a huge ask on Saturday.

1851
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:31,080
Speaker 2: For me, it's you conn in Houston, because you know

1852
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:33,559
Speaker 2: who they are every game. You know who they are,

1853
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 2: you know what they want to be, and they go

1854
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:35,599
Speaker 2: out and they do it.

1855
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 7: You know who they are. Yep, you know who they are.

1856
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 2: All right, man, I appreciate it. You have a great

1857
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve. I know you'll probably be out at

1858
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 2: the bars tearing it up. You're you're you're a big

1859
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 2: you're big amateur night guy.

1860
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:50,799
Speaker 7: You know that's called to me, that's called Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

1861
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 7: most Sundays of every week.

1862
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:55,799
Speaker 3: But yes, sure, just days that end and why that's correct?

1863
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 3: All right?

1864
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 7: Man?

1865
01:50:57,200 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 3: Thanks Kenny Year, you too have there you go.

1866
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 2: Richard Skinner Local twelve UH digital content editor. You can

1867
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:07,599
Speaker 2: find him on Twitter at Local twelve Skinny.

1868
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 3: Let's take a break.

1869
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,680
Speaker 2: One more segment to the day coming up right after this,

1870
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 2: one more segment of the year.

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Speaker 2: Theme song of twenty twenty five tearn it ain't all good.

1886
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,240
Speaker 2: If I didn't love this song so much, i'd say

1887
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:25,519
Speaker 2: we're leaving this in twenty twenty five, But we're bringing

1888
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 2: it to twenty twenty six. Also, I've gotten a couple

1889
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 2: of text messages tearing from friends of mine that were

1890
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 2: out in the car with their teenage and preteen children

1891
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:40,360
Speaker 2: when I six said six seven a earlier, and the

1892
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 2: parents are not happy with me. We're probably not. I mean,

1893
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 2: we probably should, but I don't think we're gonna. I

1894
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 2: don't think the utes are gonna let that happen. It

1895
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,719
Speaker 2: could be a little bit more upfront. Rest in peace,

1896
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 2: True Boy, the Dove Plug two Real Quick tarn Some

1897
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 2: good ones going on still today. Duke trailing Arizona State

1898
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 2: thirty nine thirty five five minutes left, Texas up twenty

1899
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,920
Speaker 2: four to twenty on Michigan, Utah pulling away from Nebraska

1900
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:19,240
Speaker 2: thirty one to fourteen. Iowa beat Vanderbilt early today thirty

1901
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 2: four to twenty seven.

1902
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:22,360
Speaker 3: Let's get to the playoffs.

1903
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 2: Arran Miami, Ohio State buck Eyes eight and a half

1904
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 2: point favorite. I know you know, flashback to the last

1905
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 2: time these two met in the championship game, many many

1906
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 2: moons ago. How confident are you the buck guys get this.

1907
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:43,640
Speaker 4: Done almost not. Somebody came in and rented me.

1908
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well tell them to get out. We're trying

1909
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 2: to talk here. You're the Ohio state expert and I

1910
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:53,200
Speaker 2: can't get Ohio State content. But you know that's fine.

1911
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:56,639
Speaker 2: We're we're gonna win. We're gonna cover the spread, win

1912
01:53:56,760 --> 01:54:00,160
Speaker 2: and cover eight and a half. Carson Beck sucks, are right?

1913
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 2: The interesting one tomorrow for me? Oregon Texas Tech noton

1914
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 2: kickoff on ESPN at the Orange Bowl. I think Tech's

1915
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:12,360
Speaker 2: good enough to win this game. I think they win

1916
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 2: this game. I think they make Derek Moore uncomfortable. He's

1917
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 2: really good, but I don't think he's been pressured like

1918
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 2: DJ Moore. Sorry, I don't think he's been pressured like

1919
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 2: Texas Tech is going to pressure him. I like the

1920
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:33,560
Speaker 2: balance of this Texas Tech offense. I like the way

1921
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 2: that they play defense, the aggressiveness they play defense with.

1922
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 2: I think Texas Tech's better than Oregon and Oregon's two

1923
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 2: and a half point favorite.

1924
01:54:40,440 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 3: I don't see it.

1925
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 4: Texas Tech can play with anybody in this tournament. Yes,

1926
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 4: their defense is not one. They could run the ball.

1927
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 2: In Indiana Alabama, I use seven point favorite. I don't

1928
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:56,960
Speaker 2: know about that. I think Indiana is a little bit

1929
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 2: better than Alabama. I don't know about seven points better.

1930
01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:02,680
Speaker 2: I think Indiana wins. But if I was betting Terran,

1931
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 2: I think i'd bet Bama and take the seven points.

1932
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 4: I'll take Indiana. There's supposed to rain into Rose Baltimore.

1933
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm taking Indiana. You're taking Indiana plus

1934
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 2: or you're giving the seven Yes, okay, okay, I like it.

1935
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:16,440
Speaker 3: I like it.

1936
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:20,720
Speaker 2: And then finally Ole Miss and Georgia. Georgia a six

1937
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 2: point favorite. I think Georgia blows out Ole Miss. There's

1938
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 2: so much weird stuff going on there. There's six guys

1939
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:31,360
Speaker 2: coaching Ole Miss that are leaving, like as soon as

1940
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:35,000
Speaker 2: the game ends to go coach lsu that from from

1941
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 2: the reports around that program, there's been a lot of

1942
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 2: tampering from those coaches. And you had the quarterback yesterday

1943
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 2: or the day before, like, uh no, I haven't uh

1944
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to talk to Lane Kevin right now. Wink, wing, nudge, nudge.

1945
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 2: I think there's too much outside noise. Georgia in the

1946
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 2: Sugar Bowl. I think give me. I'll give Ole miss six.

1947
01:55:57,680 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 2: I might give Ole miss twelve. I think Georgia wins

1948
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:00,520
Speaker 2: big there.

1949
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 4: I think Old miscovers that one. Really half there.

1950
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 2: You don't think there's not you think there's that. There's

1951
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:09,120
Speaker 2: not enough. There's not too much turmoil going on there.

1952
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 4: Okay, the kids, I mean, yes, they're being talked about about.

1953
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 4: I think the kids they just want to play.

1954
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 2: I agree they want to play. It's just how much

1955
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 2: what the focus is. Like, Uh, Navy Cincinnati on Friday.

1956
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:26,080
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but Navy five million.

1957
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 2: The more I look at this, I don't know. Man,

1958
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:32,360
Speaker 2: their defense is bad. They have not beaten a good

1959
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 2: team really all year. I think CINCINNTI wins a close game,

1960
01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 2: mainly because I want it for Brady Lichtenberg. He's been

1961
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:45,040
Speaker 2: a good soldier his whole career. Go get that win

1962
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 2: on the way out the door. That's my take on that.

1963
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 2: And then Cincinnati Houston, it's gonna come out like Houston

1964
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,640
Speaker 2: eight and a half. Get it before it jumps that

1965
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:57,560
Speaker 2: then will be thirteen before you can blink.

1966
01:56:57,640 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 4: Taran Oh trust me.

1967
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:02,600
Speaker 2: All right, I know, get to have notifications on your

1968
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 2: phone for when that line drops. All right, man, Happy

1969
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 2: New Year, Tarren. It was a blast doing another one

1970
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:10,600
Speaker 2: of these years with you.

1971
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 4: Looking forward to doing another play more in twenty twenty six.

1972
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:16,600
Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna wrap it up. We will see

1973
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:20,920
Speaker 2: you in twenty twenty six. Since I's ESPN fifteen.

1974
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:22,560
Speaker 9: Thirty, I'm listening to the radio.

1975
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:27,320
Speaker 19: I'm listening to a sad perl sing say about us.

1976
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 7: He got a torn thro bo to stove.

1977
01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:34,280
Speaker 3: I just want me something that too.

1978
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:39,240
Speaker 19: When you're alone, it gets sidy. Don't act this. If

1979
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 19: you did talk to know she let me play with her.

1980
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:47,200
Speaker 19: I'm working late, I said, I'll soon be home. All

1981
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 19: about the girl was home up home.

1982
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what.

1983
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 9: She crime phone?

1984
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 3: Why because I'm flying.

1985
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:56,600
Speaker 2: Super science.

1986
01:57:57,400 --> 01:58:00,240
Speaker 7: Nay, I'm flying.

1987
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 3: Super and I'm super duper.

1988
01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic from.

1989
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:15,440
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1990
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:18,880
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1991
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:22,720
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1992
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:27,120
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1993
01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 6: eastbound Glenway Avenue. It's an accident at Cleves Warsaw Pike.

1994
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:35,480
Speaker 6: Traffic being directed around that spot. Westbound seventy four disabled

1995
01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:38,600
Speaker 6: vehicle after two seventy five the Whitewater Split on the

1996
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:39,400
Speaker 6: left shoulder.

1997
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:41,120
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1998
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:42,520
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