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Speaker 1: Been a very happy Monday to you. I am pleased

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Speaker 1: to welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning Show Buddy Levey,

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Speaker 1: author of more than ten books, including A Labyrinth of Ice,

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Speaker 1: The Triumphant and Tragic Greeley Polar Expedition, and Empire of

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Speaker 1: Ice and Stone, The Disastrous and Heroic Voyage of the

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Speaker 1: Karl Luke. His book have been published in eight languages,

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Speaker 1: won numerous awards. You may have also seen him on

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Speaker 1: the History Channel. He was on History's Greatest Mysteries hosted

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Speaker 1: by Lawrence Fishburn, and also The Unexplained with William Shatner

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Speaker 1: hosting Today, We've got a new book to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Realm of Ice and Sky, triumph Tragedy, and History's Greatest

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Speaker 1: Arctic Rescue. Welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning Show,

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Speaker 1: Buddy Lovey. It's a pleasure to have you on today.

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Speaker 2: Sir Ryan, great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Answer me this. This has been puzzling me for a

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Speaker 1: lot of years, and you make like, okay, you got

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Speaker 1: more you need, You got too much time on your hands.

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Speaker 1: But I've seen a number of documentaries about polar travel

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Speaker 1: North Pole, South Pole and the period in time when

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Speaker 1: these adventures were made, these daring trips into frozen wastelands.

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Speaker 1: What in the hell prompted people to want to seek

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Speaker 1: the polls and put their literally their lives in peril

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Speaker 1: to do it. Did they have that bad home life

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Speaker 1: or something.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. Well it was multi pronged, really.

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Speaker 3: I mean, part of it was initially discovery, trying to

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Speaker 3: find out what was there, because early expeditions, we still

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Speaker 3: didn't know what was at the top and bottom of

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Speaker 3: the world. Certainly these were added to fame, fortune, and

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Speaker 3: immortality because if you were the ones who could discover

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Speaker 3: make these discoveries, then there were lucrative book tours and

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Speaker 3: lecture tours, and you would also often you know, become

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Speaker 3: feted in your own country. And so there was also

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Speaker 3: a nationalistic pride to it. I mean, many countries were

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Speaker 3: buying for the polls, so there was a lot of

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Speaker 3: different reasons. But I mean, I agree, man, these were

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Speaker 3: such daunting expeditions that it's hard to imagine now putting

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Speaker 1: Peril, it really is. That's what's always puzzled me, isid

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Speaker 1: these guys had to have hated their wives or something.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is just that craft crazy anyway, it

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Speaker 1: was widely reported. At least I think you've solved the

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Speaker 1: mystery on this. Who got there first? Doctor Frederick Cook

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Speaker 1: claimed to have made it to the North Pole in

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Speaker 1: nineteen o eight, and then a year later, as I understand,

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Speaker 1: Robert Perry made the claim that he had seen the

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Speaker 1: North Pole first. But what did you uncover in Realm

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Speaker 1: of Ice and Sky, the book you've just released.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's been arguments about this ongoing since

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Speaker 3: the early nineteen hundreds when Cook and Perry first made

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Speaker 3: the claims, but subsequently their records were found to be

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Speaker 3: either altered or fabricated. And so when Dominson the Norwegian

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Speaker 3: went over the pole in an airship in nineteen twenty

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Speaker 3: six with the Italian Umberto noble A, he made what

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Speaker 4: Of the North Pole.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, like I said, there was fame

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Speaker 3: and immortality were involved, and egos were involved, and so

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Speaker 3: it ended up being this kind of ongoing argument and counterclaims,

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Speaker 3: and it was national and international news for years and years.

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Speaker 1: Well, these were these folks that you talk about in

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Speaker 1: the book Roland Aminson and Walter Wellman, they flew to

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Speaker 1: the North Pole in a blimp right airship.

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Speaker 3: And Wellman, interestingly was an American from Ohio who was

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Speaker 3: Right, So you're you're hoping for the winds to be

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Speaker 3: Wellman and his crew were buffeted around and blown in circles,

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Speaker 1: Well, in any of these various airship of dirigible blimp trips,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was I wanted to gravitate over to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So after Amunsen and Nobela, this Italian airship designer

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Speaker 3: And it's really it's one of the most dramatic rescues

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Speaker 4: And it's just incredible.

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Speaker 1: How in the hell were they found? I mean, I

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Speaker 3: Here's their SOS communications and contacts the Italian government, which

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Speaker 4: That involves. It's a multi national.

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Speaker 7: What happens?

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Speaker 1: Well, read all about it, I guess today, Buddy Lovey,

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Speaker 1: author of Realm of Ice and Sky, Triumph Tragedy and

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Speaker 1: History's Greatest Arctic Rescue before we Park Company, Really, Chris,

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Speaker 1: it's been fascinating, Buddy. How is it you got involved

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Speaker 3: I ended up going to Greenland when I was doing

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Speaker 3: And then I thought, oh man, I got into the

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Speaker 2: So there's my third book about the subject.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, well and obviously a very successful author, you are.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure my listener's going to go to get one

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Speaker 1: to get a copy of rom of Ice and Sky,

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Speaker 1: which we've made it easy for them to do, Buddy.

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Speaker 1: It's on my blog page fifty five care see dot

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Speaker 1: com a link to click on to buy a copy

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Speaker 1: of the book and enjoy it. These people were absolutely crazy, Buddy,

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Speaker 1: already know Dennis Neil, Award winning journalist, media strategist, advisor

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Speaker 1: Author of the book we're going to be talking about today,

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Speaker 1: the leadership genius of Elon Musk. Welcome to the Morning Show,

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Speaker 1: Dennis Neil. It is a distinct pleasure to have you

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Speaker 8: Same here, Brian, and thanks so much for that very

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Speaker 1: You're well deserving of it. You do great work, and

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk the wealthiest guy on the planet and immune

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Speaker 1: from the class warfare arguments. He's a minimalist. He doesn't

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Speaker 6: That fuel his success and that maybe we could use

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Speaker 8: And lesson number two is reduce, reduce, reduce.

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Speaker 6: And that's what he's doing a doge.

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Speaker 8: That's what he did at Twitter, cutting eighty percent of

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Speaker 8: But getting rid of that was the most amazing thing, Brian,

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Speaker 8: Are exactly, And instead of trying to limit and muzzle

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Speaker 1: Dennis Near, the author the leadership genius of Elon Musk,

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Speaker 8: Bingo, absolutely, because I really think even though he operates

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Speaker 1: Because I was going to ask you about that, Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1: You know, the the rockets always didn't always fly, you know,

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Speaker 8: somewhere else, maybe in another time.

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Speaker 1: And at the more I.

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Speaker 8: Started to look into this, the more I came to

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Speaker 8: things that it's actually quite plausible. Yes, exactly like the

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Speaker 8: matrix I mean, if we look at how pong and

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Speaker 8: this is the explanation.

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Speaker 6: Elon uses me.

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Speaker 8: Look at pong, two little paddles and a ball and

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Speaker 8: a black screen against it. I played against and that

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Speaker 8: was only fifty years ago. And you look at where

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Speaker 8: we are now, where you're down in the three d Mays,

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Speaker 8: and it looks so super realistic. The thought that ten

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Speaker 8: thousand years from now you could have a simulation so good.

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Speaker 6: You don't even know it.

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Speaker 8: That's entirely believable. But then you think that the Earth.

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Speaker 2: Is almost four billion years old, that.

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Speaker 8: Means you have something like four hundred thousand different sets

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Speaker 8: of ten thousand years. Well, really, in four hundred thousand

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Speaker 8: different chances of ten thousand years, we've never made it

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Speaker 8: to that advance thing. It's only in the next ten

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Speaker 8: thousand years that we'll get there.

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Maybe it is a little simulated, But then what it

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Speaker 8: does for us is if you think it might be plausible,

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Speaker 8: was that you live louder, you love out loud, you

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Speaker 8: take that job that you're too afraid to take because

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Speaker 8: there's too much risk there. You say that thing in

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Speaker 8: a meeting because you're feeling like everyone's going in the

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Speaker 8: wrong direction because you no longer are going to stay

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Speaker 8: clients because what the heck?

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Speaker 6: It all may be a game anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a real wild way of looking at it,

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Speaker 1: you know. And it's one of my favorite quotes. And

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Speaker 1: it's interesting because I just put it up the other

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Speaker 1: day because one of my friends had said, what's your

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Speaker 1: favorite quote? I said, twenty years from now, you'll be

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Speaker 1: more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by

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Speaker 1: the ones you did. So throw off the bow line,

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Speaker 1: sail away from the safe harbor, catch the trade winds

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Speaker 1: in your sales, Explore, dream, discover from the famous Mark Twain.

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Speaker 1: And I've kind of tried to live by that philosophy

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Speaker 1: of my life and sounds to me like Elon Musks

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Speaker 1: as well, and I have before we part company. That

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Speaker 1: fascinating conversation and just a fascinating man he is. And

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you writing this book as a you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of a guideline for folks in business, most notably

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Speaker 1: but going back to Starlink and how massive the growth is.

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Speaker 1: And I think that desire to build this independent satellite

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Speaker 1: network also springs from his embracing freedom and liberty, you know,

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Speaker 1: Verizon or the government might flip the switch and shut

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Speaker 1: your cell phone off. But there's Elon Musk with a backup,

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Speaker 1: sure enough.

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Speaker 8: And you know, I think he sees a synergy among

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Speaker 8: these businesses that the rest of us don't see. You know,

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Speaker 8: the Startlink satellite network. Brian guides in Tesla cars, right,

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Speaker 8: and then his EXAI engine ends up ingesting all of

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Speaker 8: the data from Tesla cars. It's able to ingest the

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Speaker 8: six thousand tweets put up every second on the X

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Speaker 8: platform and get smarter and smarter and smarter. He's got

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Speaker 8: the Olympus robot inside Tesla where one day you might

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Speaker 8: be able to take an arm from the Olympus robot,

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Speaker 8: attach it to an amputee and with the brain chip

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Speaker 8: company's got neuralink, you know, the ampute could operate the

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Speaker 8: arm just by thinking about it. And you know we

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Speaker 8: think that, oh, he wants to chip for a quadrant pleague.

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Speaker 6: It's no, no.

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Speaker 8: He thinks in twenty years, thirty years, millions of us

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Speaker 8: well walking around with these chips in our heads to

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Speaker 8: talk faster to AI. So it all fits together, and

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Speaker 8: it's just an incredible vision that really he has no

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Speaker 8: right to have it all.

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Speaker 6: It's just absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 8: And yet if you were playing a video game, you'd say, well,

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Speaker 8: what the heck, why not?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? All that frightens the hell out of me. Though,

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Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you, Dennis, I like

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Speaker 1: be sad if it were a game.

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Speaker 8: You know, I feel like this is life, this is real.

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Speaker 8: Tomorrow we'll right.

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Speaker 4: Here, you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more on that component, but just the

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Speaker 1: idea that all that data is being gathered up, and

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Speaker 1: I'm a privacy fan. I hate the hoovering up of data.

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Speaker 1: That's why I recommend my listeners data hell away from TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Is that just benefits the Chinese Communist Party, and they're

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Speaker 1: hoovering up of data, but at least knowing who Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk is and this doesn't offer me is much comfort.

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Speaker 1: But he seems to be wanting that data to advance

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Speaker 1: and help us, as opposed to use against us, which

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Speaker 1: is the antithesis of what tiktoks difference.

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Speaker 8: And now he's being demonized like crazy by the media,

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Speaker 8: by the Democrats, by Rhino Republicans, and suddenly Kee's publican

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Speaker 8: I mean number one, even more so than Trump and

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Speaker 8: they're just trying to take him down.

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Speaker 6: What are they so afraid of?

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Speaker 8: Why don't we all step back and just take a

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Speaker 8: gander and watch what this guy does. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 8: if it is a simulation, you don't make a simulation

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Speaker 8: for boring outcomes, right. Elon has another lesson lesson eleven.

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Speaker 8: My book is is you know, the most the most

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Speaker 8: likely outcome in life is the most entertaining, one of

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Speaker 8: the most ironic and opposite of what you expected.

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Speaker 6: And look how entertaining life is.

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Speaker 8: Ventilately Oh my goodness, this it has.

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Speaker 1: We live in interesting times and he makes them far

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Speaker 1: more interesting. And he's the best troll on the internet

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Speaker 1: when it comes to cowing out his clothes at Dennis

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Speaker 1: Neil a real pleasure having on the morning shore. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for spending time by listeners to me this morning.

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Speaker 1: Your book is now available on my blog page fifty

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Speaker 1: five Krsey dot com The leadership genius of Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1: If you're a business person, get a copy, but everyone's

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Speaker 1: welcome to read it and learn by it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for putting it on pay for Dennis, It's been a

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Speaker 1: real pleasure. Eight five Here at fifty five Carecy you

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Speaker 1: talk station. A very happy Friday to you intrigued about

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Speaker 1: this book. I'm happy to welcome to the fifty five

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Speaker 1: Cassey Morning Show doctor Charles Kamara, author of the book

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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about Mission out of Control

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Speaker 1: and Astronaut's Odyssey to fix high risk organizations and prevent tragedy.

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Speaker 1: He is, as the book suggests, and astronaut. What a

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Speaker 1: cool thing to say. You are research engineer and venor author, educator,

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Speaker 1: Internationally recognized expert and invited speaker on subjects regarding engineering, engineering, design, innovation, safety,

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Speaker 1: organizational behavior and education. He's got more than sixty technical publications,

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Speaker 1: hold nine patents, and over twenty national and international awards.

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Speaker 1: That could go on for hours on his background. He

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Speaker 1: retired from NASA and May twenty nineteen after forty five

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Speaker 1: years of continuous research. As our continuous service as a

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Speaker 1: research engineer technical manager at Langley Research Center, who's Director

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Speaker 1: of Engineering at Johnson Space Center, Senior Advisor for Innovation

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Speaker 1: and Engineering and Development at Langley. Welcome to the Morning Show,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kimarta. It is a pleasure to have you on today.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, Briant. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I got it. Being an astronaut. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's just fascinating, and you probably won't. You're a very

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Speaker 1: small slice of the entire population. I'm just kind of

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Speaker 1: wondering whether you would rather be referred to as astronaut

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Speaker 1: doctor Charles Kermonda or doctor Astronaut Charles Kermona, because I

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Speaker 1: would always want to put that in when I was

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Speaker 1: introducing myself.

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Speaker 6: You know, Brian, most people call me Charlie.

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Speaker 1: There you go, well, Charles mission, out of control, astronauts,

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Speaker 1: honesty to fit the high risk organization and prevent tragedy.

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Speaker 1: First off, what I think I have an understanding as

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Speaker 1: to why what prompted you to write this book before

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Speaker 1: we start talking about what the book is intended to do.

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Speaker 10: Well, as you.

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Speaker 11: Said, I worked for NASSA for over forty five years

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Speaker 11: and it was an amazing organization when I was a

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Speaker 11: young researcher at Mass aligned with but it changed it

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Speaker 11: watched it way. We stopped doing real applied research. We

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Speaker 11: started becoming a production organization, especially on the human space

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Speaker 11: flight side, and we started just looking at operating vehicles

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Speaker 11: and flying them in space, and we lost our touch

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Speaker 11: with our research routs and we lost our capability to

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Speaker 11: actually understand when we had critical problems.

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Speaker 1: So am I correct to understand? You were on the

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Speaker 1: team that led the investigation why the Columbia Space shuttle

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Speaker 1: blew up.

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Speaker 11: Well, I didn't lead the team. I led one of

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Speaker 11: the teams that was investigating the technical cause of the problem,

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Speaker 11: and that was the impact. And we use some of

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Speaker 11: my good friends Matt Mellis and some of Kelly Carney

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Speaker 11: and some of the great people at Glenn Research Center

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Speaker 11: right there in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, when I was reading through the materials, I

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Speaker 1: did write Boeing down here because Boeing has been plagued

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Speaker 1: with problems. They make the planes, but they don't you know,

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Speaker 1: like for example, what they are pilots know, they change

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Speaker 1: the software they have, you know, the poor performance in

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Speaker 1: terms of manufacturing. They have a product, but they have

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Speaker 1: breakdowns in manufacturing that obviously can lead and have led

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Speaker 1: to the loss of life. Is that sort of an

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Speaker 1: illustration of the of the like a company to whom

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Speaker 1: you would focus this book or directed their attention to

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Speaker 1: this book.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, a lot of companies.

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Speaker 6: It's a very similar problem.

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Speaker 11: Because what we learned after the Columbia accident was that

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Speaker 11: the primary cause of the of the of the accident

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Speaker 11: was the culture. And what you saw after the seven

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Speaker 11: point thirty seven MAX accidents with Boeing is they came

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Speaker 11: to the same conclusion. Boeing lost this way, just like

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Speaker 11: National loss this way, technical excellence was no longer and

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Speaker 11: safety were no longer the key primary focus of the organization.

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Speaker 11: It got bobbed down with the bottom line, market share

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Speaker 11: profits very similar but different reasons, became very focused on

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Speaker 11: production schedule and budget and keeping the programs alive, and

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Speaker 11: it's become a loaded bureaucracy. And what I realized, what

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Speaker 11: I learned in the research writing the book, is that

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Speaker 11: what other people missed was there's a difference between technical excellence,

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Speaker 11: technical people, good engineers, and what I called research engineers.

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Speaker 11: And so I described the elements that make up a

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Speaker 11: to be, just like NASA was, and how that could

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Speaker 11: lead to a very toxiculture which becomes psychologically unsafe. People

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Speaker 11: are afraid to speak up, and then bad things happened

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Speaker 11: and the accidents recur, just like Challenger and Columbia.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned bottom line profit share and market share

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Speaker 1: and profit all being primary drivers and to the exclusion

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Speaker 1: of perhaps this intense focus on prep safety. But on

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Speaker 1: a similar note, I kind of think that maybe, like

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Speaker 1: if you look at DEI departments, they're focused on culture,

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Speaker 1: and they're focused on social issues and issues that transcend

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Speaker 1: any given companies primary focus, which would be should be

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Speaker 1: providing a quality product and or service to their customers.

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Speaker 1: Is that another form of sort of a lack of

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Speaker 1: focus or improper direction that we could point to.

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Speaker 11: Well, diversity is good, right, It helps us create, It

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Speaker 11: helps us come with very innovative solutions. But DEI and

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Speaker 11: quotas and getting away from merit talkers. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 11: a good research organization is knowledge is key, and you

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Speaker 11: have deference to the people that have that expertise, and

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Speaker 11: you always have to develop those skills and maintain those standards.

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Speaker 1: Well, are you concerned about the state of education in

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Speaker 1: the United States because we seem to be turning out

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Speaker 1: young people who just are taught to the test, but

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Speaker 1: not taught to critically think. I mean, it's one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why I love law school so much, because

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Speaker 1: it was a socratic method that back and forth and

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Speaker 1: that delving down and looking into and analyzing, you know,

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Speaker 1: in that particular case, different areas of law, but it

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Speaker 1: was a wonderful teaching method. We don't seem to be

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Speaker 1: teaching children logic and reason anymore? Is there a shortage

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Speaker 1: of that? Is that part of the cultural problem here?

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Speaker 11: You're absolutely correct. When I was reassigned at mathif was

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Speaker 11: speaking up, I started diving into how do we train

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Speaker 11: As a matter of fact, I started a five O

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Speaker 11: one to three C educational nonprofit clots called the Ethic

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Speaker 11: Education Foundation, where we used a challenge based learning approach.

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Speaker 11: And yeah, absolutely correct. Lawyers do this. They think critically,

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Speaker 11: they look at all different sides of an argument, and

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Speaker 11: you have this free environment where you could have this discourse.

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Speaker 11: You can have these disagreements, but you relied on the

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Speaker 1: Okay, So in in a corporate environment, moving away from

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Speaker 1: you know, lawyers, you know talking and advocating on behalf

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Speaker 1: challenges they face. But in a corporate environment, I think

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Speaker 1: you alluded to it earlier. People have this reluctance to

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Speaker 1: hold their hand and say no, no, that's a dumb

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Speaker 1: idea because of the you know, am I going to

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Speaker 1: lose my job? Am I going to embarrass my boss?

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Speaker 1: I can't do that. I'm not going to be the

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Speaker 1: one that cheeks up.

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Speaker 11: That's exactly what you're talking about, a psychological safety. Amianmenson

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Speaker 11: wrote a book to Feel This organization about this, and

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Speaker 11: I talk about this in my book how in a

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Speaker 11: real a true research culture, a true research environment. This

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Speaker 11: is this is absolutely critical. And so when I spoke

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Speaker 11: about my book and culture to the senior executives at

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Speaker 11: Boeing and I told them how ugly the culture was

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Speaker 11: and the environment was at NASA's they they their eyes

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Speaker 11: were wide open. But people will come up to me

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Speaker 11: and saying, you know what, Charlie, the culture is worse

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Speaker 11: at Boeing. And I didn't believe them. But that was

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Speaker 11: six months before the first of the first Yon air crash.

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Speaker 6: Of seven thirty seven, and.

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Speaker 11: Then six months later you had the Ethiopian Allins crash

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Speaker 11: and the body cell out of Boeing. And so what

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Speaker 11: I was trying to tell the Bowie senior executives after

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Speaker 11: the seven thirty seven crash was that you need to

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Speaker 11: listen to your people. People are telling you there are

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Speaker 11: major problems, but their voices are being muted and they're

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Speaker 11: being canceled.

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Speaker 1: Well, part of me, let me ask you this, sir.

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Speaker 1: And then again, I guess is astronaut doctor Charles kamarda

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Speaker 1: Mission out of Control and astronauts Odyssey to Fix High

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Speaker 1: Risk Organizations and Prevent Tragedies?

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Speaker 4: Sort of?

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Speaker 1: The subtitles suggests high risk organizations? Who did you write

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Speaker 1: the book for? Was it for the public at large?

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Speaker 1: Are you focusing on, you know, corporate culture and your

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Speaker 1: leaders and executives within companies.

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Speaker 11: Originally I focused on it as a way to help

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Speaker 11: fix massive but what I realized was when NASA wasn't listening,

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Speaker 11: there were many organizations that have this very similar problem.

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Speaker 11: And so the second half of the book I talk

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Speaker 11: about ways that we could fix this problem, how we

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Speaker 11: could use technology, how we could to train people differently,

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Speaker 11: how we can build what I call these five key

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Speaker 11: principles of a research culture.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess there's probably, you know, using Boeing as

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Speaker 1: an illustration and NASA's an illustration, I would imagine there

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Speaker 1: is a different mindset among the employees that in the

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Speaker 1: private sector. Yeah, you run the risk of losing your job.

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Speaker 1: You run the risk of getting fired for incompetence. But

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Speaker 1: I would think in a government environment, you're less likely

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Speaker 1: to face any well penalty for maybe not doing work

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Speaker 1: or for maybe causing a problem or something. There's a

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Speaker 1: sort of a protection element in government jobs. It seems

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Speaker 1: to not exist in the private sector. Is a distinction

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Speaker 1: between them, And along the lines of what you're talking about, it's.

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Speaker 11: Not really because you know, I spoke up after I

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Speaker 11: I saw problems with safety, I spoke up in a

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Speaker 11: So if you can imagine an astronaut being silenced, it

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Speaker 11: can happen to anyone. And while you don't might lose

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Speaker 11: your job, you might lose your position, you might lose

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Speaker 11: your voice, and you're placed in a terrible situation where

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Speaker 11: you no longer can do the job that you loved.

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Speaker 11: People will not treat you the same because you're no

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Speaker 11: longer you're a piranha, you're a pariah persona non grata.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, well, doctor, Obviously, in the book, you identify

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Speaker 1: the general concepts we're talking about the problem that we face,

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Speaker 1: and I presume that you offer an outline solutions to

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Speaker 1: these problems, practical solutions that people in the business world

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Speaker 1: can incorporate.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 11: I have key things for leaders to look for signs

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Speaker 11: that the culture is going awry. I talk about technical

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Speaker 11: use of technology to help us identify when an individual team,

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Speaker 11: because it only takes one small team to be dysfunctional,

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Speaker 11: like the team that was working on the ownings or

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Speaker 11: the team that was analyzing the impact of foam on Columbia.

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Speaker 11: You have one dysfunctional team and it could cause a tragedy.

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Speaker 11: So I highlight several ideas for how do you build

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Speaker 11: a psychologically safe environment, a knowledge based hier rocky where

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Speaker 11: you encourage people to fail and learn by failure, and

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Speaker 11: how you're transparent, how you share information openly and you

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Speaker 11: encourage competing ideas.

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Speaker 1: I love the sound of it. It sounds practical and

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Speaker 1: logical and reasonable to me. Doctor Charles Kamarta, author of

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Speaker 1: Mission out of Control and astronauts Odyssey to Fix High

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Speaker 1: Risk Organization to Prevent Tragedy. Doctor, we have your book

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Speaker 1: on my blog page fifty five carsee dot com. It

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Speaker 1: sounds to me like there's a lot of business owners

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Speaker 1: out there in my audience it would love to get

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Speaker 1: a copy of this, and I'm sure they will thank

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Speaker 1: you for spending time with my listeners and I today

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Speaker 1: and identifying this problem so we can work on solutions.

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Speaker 1: Sir eight O five fifty five car Se Detox Station,

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Speaker 1: A very happy Wednesday to you. Bottom of the hour,

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Speaker 1: Judge enter of Politana every Wednesday at eight thirty in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, I love it when people speak truth to power,

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Speaker 1: especially to people who have him such an impressive background.

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Speaker 1: My next guy, doctor James Thorpe. It's a board certified obstetrician, gynecologist,

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Speaker 1: maternal fetal medicine physician with more than forty four years

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Speaker 1: of obstetrical experience. He saw over twenty seven thousand, five

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Speaker 1: hundred high risk pregnancies in four and a half years

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Speaker 1: while serving one of the largest Catholic health systems, that's

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Speaker 1: SSM Health in Saint Louis. Doctor Thorpe currently the Chief

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Speaker 1: of Maternal and pre Natal Health at the Wellness Company.

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Speaker 1: He served as a reviewer for major medical journals on

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Speaker 1: the Board of Directors of the Society of Maternal Field Medicine,

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Speaker 1: as an examiner for the American Board of Obstetrics and

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Speaker 1: Gynecology serves a US Air Force as a obstetrician. Gynecologists

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Speaker 1: testified in the US Senate under two administrations. He's active

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Speaker 1: in clinical research, with approximately two hundred and seventy five publications,

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Speaker 1: of which seventy are COVID nineteen related. He is the

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Speaker 1: author of the book we're going to talk about, and

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Speaker 1: the name of it is Sacrificed. How the deadliest vaccine

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Speaker 1: in history targeted the most vulnerable Doctor James Thorpe, It

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Speaker 1: is a distinct pleasure to have you on the fifty

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Speaker 1: five KRC Morning Show.

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Speaker 10: Brian, thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Well, the more we talk about, the more we learn,

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Speaker 1: the more congressional investigations unfold, the more we learn about

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, how it was approved, and the edicts and mandates,

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Speaker 1: the shutdowns and everything that we had to suffer through

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Speaker 1: during the COVID nineteen quote unquote pandemic. I guess you

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Speaker 1: realized at some point, since you're a obe jin, that

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Speaker 1: this vaccine was having a profound impact on and causing

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Speaker 1: complications like miscarriages, still bursts, and a lot of other

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Speaker 1: problems from the shots and this was among people and

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Speaker 1: I know you point this out in your book, young

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Speaker 1: people who really were not vulnerable to succumbing to the disease.

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Speaker 1: When did you start noticing a correlation, sir.

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Speaker 10: Well in early two thousand. I knew that they had

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Speaker 10: targeted pregnant women. I knew that by their actions and

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Speaker 10: where they were going on, by the history when it.

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Speaker 7: Was rolled out.

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Speaker 10: After it was rolled out in twenty twenty one, I

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Speaker 10: noticed disasters, obstetrical disasters like I've never seen now in

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Speaker 10: almost forty six years of practice.

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Speaker 1: You say targeted. That suggests, you know, a sort of

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Speaker 1: a nefarious motive. If this is going to happen, If

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Speaker 1: these these complications, and they're pretty profound ones were no

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Speaker 1: own to the so called powers that be, what point

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Speaker 1: would there be to force these vaccines recognizing the harm

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Speaker 1: that they were.

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Speaker 4: Going to do.

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Speaker 10: Right, ninety nine percent of the people that pushed the vaccine,

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Speaker 10: in the government, the hospitals, the pharmacies, they're ignorant and

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Speaker 10: they didn't know the agenda. But this is a sinister, evil,

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Speaker 10: global go, globalist agenda from the Oral Health Organization. All

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Speaker 10: the research was there, these vaccines, alleged vaccines failed miserable,

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Speaker 10: miserably in animal studies, killing and injuring a lot of animals.

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Speaker 10: These shots were never fit for human use.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, half my listening audience is now gasping

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Speaker 1: in disbelief because I got the vaccine. You know, my god,

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Speaker 1: what has it done to me?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: You were outspoken on this while this was unfolding, while

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Speaker 1: the vaccine mandates were in place. Did it fall on

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Speaker 1: deaf ears? I know you suffered with some repercussis you

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Speaker 1: lost your situation over this?

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Speaker 10: Well, listen, Brian. The three major governing bodies of the

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Speaker 10: entire world of obgyn are three American organizations, the American

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Speaker 10: College and Obstetrics and Gynecology, the American Board of Obstetrics

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Speaker 10: and Gynecology, and the Society for Maternal Field Medicine. They

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Speaker 10: were all bought off and bribed from the Department of

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Speaker 10: Health and Human Services in early twenty twenty one. And

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Speaker 10: by the way, all the hospitals were too. And this

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Speaker 10: is not speculation, this has proven fact. My research team

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Speaker 10: has published this. So they threatened sixty thousand obgyn doctors

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Speaker 10: with their licenses and their accreditations if they didn't follow

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Speaker 10: the lockstep narrative of AJHS CBC.

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Speaker 1: Again, is this like for the purposes of population control?

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Speaker 1: I mean that immediately comes to mind because I know

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of rumor mills out there that the

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Speaker 1: global want to reduce the population in the world.

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Speaker 10: Well, I can't speak to somebody's heart and somebody's motive,

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Speaker 10: but I think there's very strong evidence as this was

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Speaker 10: rolled out by the Department of Defense, This was worked

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Speaker 10: on from twenty ten onwards, with proven with patents and

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Speaker 10: with publications. But I think that the clue of the

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Speaker 10: globalists have had a depopulation agenda for over fifty years,

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Speaker 10: and every administration has vocalized that publicly.

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Speaker 1: So this is right. I mean, this is this global

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Speaker 1: reality and the fact that these vaccines are rolled out

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Speaker 1: across the globe and given to people, you know, very

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Speaker 1: young people and of course pregnant women. This is like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it reminds me so much of like a

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Speaker 1: mango experimentation, but like this was a sort of a

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Speaker 1: global genocide kind of thing. I mean, I'm having a difficulty.

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Speaker 1: I'm processing this, this stark reality that you were presenting

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Speaker 1: to my listening audience, and that is in your book Sacrifice.

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Speaker 10: It's very stark, and it's an abomination. It's a spiritual battle.

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Speaker 10: This was planned and yes, over it's experts estimate over

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Speaker 10: a million Americans who were killed and another thirty three

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Speaker 10: million were injured, many of them severely. Globally, you're looking

873
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 10: at over six hundred million global citizens who were killed

874
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 10: or injured, and that's from pretty good data. Birth Rates

875
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 10: are declining in every country.

876
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: Yes they are, even China. I know, we're always concerned

877
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: about the Chinese Communist Party. However, their birth rates are

878
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: dropping precipitously as well. When you were, when you were

879
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: noticing this and you're, you know, rolling out your findings

880
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: and your conclusions about the COVID nineteen vaccine, you were

881
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: almost a lone voice in the wilderness. Did you have

882
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: conversation with fellow ob jens and were they seeing the

883
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: same thing, and did they have any explanation for why

884
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: they they too, weren't outspoken and against this.

885
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 10: I did, and they were noticing it, many of them were.

886
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 10: But really understand, Brian, that the government rolled out trillions

887
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 10: of dollars to bribe every single thread of the fabric

888
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 10: of our society. Now we're talking about hospitals, every hospital

889
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 10: was given an under the table quid pro quoa contract

890
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 10: that they with millions of dollars. SSM help that fired

891
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 10: me received three hundred and six point nine million dollars,

892
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 10: and they were charged with the responsibility of enforcing that

893
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 10: in all of their employees, including their physicians and their patients,

894
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 10: and if they didn't, they would have to pay that

895
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 10: three hundred and six point nine million dollars back.

896
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: Seems so difficult. I didn't think money negated the hippocratic

897
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: oath doctor.

898
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 10: It does. And you know, I have more respect now

899
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 10: for many other professionals or trade individuals. I have much

900
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 10: more respect for attorneys now than I do physicians. I've

901
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 10: lost all my respect for physicians. They were all abought.

902
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 10: You never break the gold in the rule of pregnancy.

903
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 10: And I don't care that the American College of Obstetricians

904
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 10: and Gytecologists dribe sixty thousand obgyn doctors. I don't care

905
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 10: about that. That's no excuse. Your hipocratic oath is sacred.

906
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: Well, that was my understanding. Always do no harm now

907
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: it also it seems to me destroying an element of

908
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: the practice of medicine generally speaking. You know you're supposed

909
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: to be a diagnostician, and you're supposed to exercise your

910
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: medical expertise and come up with perhaps alternative solutions to

911
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: the one solution that's being offered. And I know ivermectin

912
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: was pooh poohed by a lot, and we found out

913
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: that that actually had some positive effects on people, and

914
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: they would even fill ivermectin prescriptions at pharmacies. Pharmacies wouldn't

915
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: do it because I guess for the same reasons you're

916
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: articulating now, they were worried about losing their pharmacy license.

917
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 10: Yes, absolutely, we published an article six months ago my

918
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 10: research team, including a very sharp crack attorney Maggie Thorpe

919
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 10: JD and Yes, GDS and Walgreens took over two billion

920
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 10: dollars to push the draconian COVID nineteen narratives, to push

921
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 10: the vaccines and to gaslight and not fill prescriptions from

922
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 10: physicians for ivermectin or for hydroxy clerkland. And by the way, Brian,

923
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 10: we've been using hydroxy clerk wind in pregnancy, recommended by

924
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 10: the FDA for over forty five years of political practice.

925
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 10: I've used it in women that have autown indices, so

926
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 10: it's been used in all trimesters and breastfeeding women safely

927
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 10: for half a century.

928
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: Wow, And then going back to being the diagnostician me,

929
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: off label use of drugs occurs all the time, and

930
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: that's sort of what it would be. I know it's

931
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: for this, but we're going to try it out on

932
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen because some of the research suggests it can

933
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: be beneficial. We know it's safe for you because we've

934
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: been prescribing this medication for decades, and why not give

935
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: it a shot. I mean, physicians do that every single day,

936
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: with the exception of this.

937
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 10: You're one hundred percent correct.

938
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: Doctor Thorpe. I guess do you feel in any way

939
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: vindicated with the research that's coming out which confirms everything

940
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: you're telling my listening audience this morning that you document

941
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: and document in the book Sacrifice.

942
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 10: I feel vindicated, but it's not about me. I feel

943
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 10: I knew I was right from the beginning. It was

944
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 10: anybody could have done the same research I did. I

945
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 10: looked at primarily Pfizer data, in government data. It's yeah,

946
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 10: I feel vindicated, but this is a horrible tragedy because

947
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 10: the death and the destruction in the most vulnerable patients.

948
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 10: My patients globally pregnant women, preborns, and newborns that can

949
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 10: never be taken back, and that hurts. I'm an mpath

950
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 10: and I have suffered greatly in living through this, and

951
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 10: I'll take it to my grave.

952
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: Well, we testified in twenty twenty two with Senator Ron Johnson.

953
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: Was it on this topic? And if so, I guess

954
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm kind of wondering what the reaction from the senators

955
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: you were speaking with was they did they dismiss your

956
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: conclusions and your findings because your background is remarkable. I mean,

957
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: no one can criticize your street credibility with all. I mean,

958
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: you reviewed major medical journals when you were with the

959
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: Society of Maternal Feet of Medicine and with American Board

960
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: of Obstetrics and Gynecology. Obviously they had a large measure

961
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: of respect for you. You wouldn't have reached those lofty positions.

962
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 10: Correct The Senator round Johnson and the Senate received very well.

963
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 10: And that's exactly what I testified on in my wheelhouse.

964
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 10: I testified on the catastrophic effects on the COVID nineteen

965
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 10: alleged vaccine in pregnancy. Absolutely, it was well received well.

966
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: In terms of in this you were talking about, you know,

967
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: the fetuses, and when the woman who's carrying the babies

968
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: you got the vaccine. Obviously that impacts the fetus. Have

969
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: you been following the broader impacts, because it seems right

970
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: after COVID got real COVID nineteen vaccine I rolled out,

971
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: we've got a bunch of young people in eighteen nineteen

972
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: twenty year olds collapsing and having massive heart attacks and

973
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: other complications. Is there a corollarya between the vaccine and

974
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: those incidents?

975
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 10: Absolutely, yes, you know, and I think that many different

976
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 10: experts and experts with very varied fields of expertiefs have

977
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 10: shown that from many different angles the data is irrefutable.

978
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 10: Now there's been an avalanche of data. It's a disaster,

979
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 10: but the band plays on as on the Titanic sinking.

980
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll have we got bird flu to worry

981
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: about now. So there's going to be a bird flu

982
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: vaccine rolling out and we need to go I see,

983
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: and that this I think probably did a lot of

984
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: damage to the medical profession, of course, and into the

985
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: credibility of our government officials. We find all this out

986
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: late in the game, knowing now as we do with

987
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: the documents and the information that's been produced that they

988
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: knew about these complications and problems and yet forced it

989
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: on us. Anyway, if something else really comes down the road,

990
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: another legitimate, you know, pandemic, and let's say they had

991
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: a safe vaccine for it, I think a lot of

992
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: folks are going to take a pass on it because

993
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: their credibility has been shot to hell.

994
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 10: Absolutely, and you know it should be. And listen, we've

995
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 10: won the battle in the sense of you know, last year, Brian, listen,

996
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 10: one percent of the American people, one percent of the

997
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 10: American people took actually took the COVID nineteen vaccine. They

998
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 10: knew all of these daily ad blitzes from our government

999
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 10: were lives. So but this is how the government in

1000
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 10: the history, in world history, this is how the government

1001
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 10: gains control of the population by fear tactics. I'm on

1002
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 10: the board of directors of the Wellness Company. The Wellness

1003
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 10: Company is a parallel healthcare system, and we are combatting

1004
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 10: this H five and one or the avan flu that's

1005
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 10: a gain of function. They've been doing gain of function

1006
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 10: research and we have medications that are combating this. This

1007
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 10: is a company, a privately owned company, it's doing remarkably well.

1008
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 10: We have several medical kits that will provide at home

1009
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 10: life saving prescription drugs, stockpile at home that you need

1010
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 10: because your government doesn't care about killing you or injuring you.

1011
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it's one of those things, Doctor Thorpe,

1012
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: you just really find so impossible to believe. And you

1013
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: think the powers that be that they don't have your

1014
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: best interests at heart, and they're willing to engage in this, well,

1015
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: I would call mass genocide for their own personal viewpoints,

1016
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: of their own personal gain. I'm just shocked and in

1017
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: awe about this, Doctor James Thorp, again, thank you so

1018
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: much for speaking truth to power on this and I'll

1019
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: encourage my listeners. And I know you've already probably sold

1020
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: a few books while we were talking. Sacrifice, How the

1021
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: deadliest vaccine in history targeted the most vulnerable by doctor

1022
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: James Thorp, my guest today. God bless you, sir, and

1023
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you got. Yeah, go ahead.

1024
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 10: I just say that every dime of this book is

1025
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 10: being matched by the Wellness Company in a five oh

1026
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 10: one C three and every single dime will go to

1027
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 10: those vaccine injured COVID nineteen vaccine injured. Thank you so

1028
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 10: much much for having me on, Brian.

1029
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: My true pleasure, Doctor James Thorpe. It's like making a

1030
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: charitable contribution and you get a book in return, So

1031
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: go ahead and do that, folks. It'll be available right

1032
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: there at fifty five cars dot Com. Joe's got a

1033
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: link to the book already. Thanks you again, doctor James Thorpe.

1034
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 4: Wow.

1035
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: Joining the fifty five CASEE Morning Show. Frank Abrams a

1036
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney in North Carolina as well as Florida's

1037
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: practiced in federal state criminal law for thirty eight plus years.

1038
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: He's been on public radio and court TV, and he

1039
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: is an author and today we're welcoming to the fifty

1040
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: five Cars Morning Show to talk about his book, The

1041
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: Cock Fight. And I observe Frank, and it's a pleasure

1042
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: to have you on the program. It's been long stated

1043
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: the law holds it as better the ten guilty persons

1044
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: escape than one innocent suffer. I'm a firm believer in that,

1045
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: and there was a time in my life, Frank, that

1046
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: I believed in the death penalty. But as I've gotten

1047
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: coming older and wiser and having practice litigation for sixteen years.

1048
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: I am painfully aware of the fact that quite often,

1049
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: well maybe not often, but sometimes innocent people are convicted.

1050
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: And if the state has the ability to take your

1051
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: life from you, that's a scary proposition. Welcome Frank, Sorry

1052
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: for being long winded.

1053
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 5: Oh no, it's an honor and a pleasure, and you

1054
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 5: are one hundred percent on point, Brian. So can I

1055
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 5: tell you a little bit about how this book came about?

1056
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Plus explain the title for my listeners so they

1057
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: understand the relationship.

1058
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 5: Okay, the title of the book is The cock Fight.

1059
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 5: So one day I'm sitting at federal court. This is

1060
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 5: a few years back, and it comes to my attention

1061
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 5: and the attention that's some other attorneys that there's a

1062
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 5: Kentucky crime lab that has been mishandling DNA. So, Brian,

1063
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 5: I thought to myself, what could go wrong there? So

1064
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 5: that's when I started.

1065
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's when I.

1066
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 5: Started writing the book. It gets even better, but I

1067
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 5: started writing the book. The main character of my book

1068
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 5: is a teacher of the Year who's falsely accused of

1069
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 5: a relationship with a student, loses everything he has and

1070
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 5: is living under a bridge with homeless people. Now, why

1071
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 5: is it called the cock fight? The answer is because

1072
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 5: every third Friday of the month under this bridge they

1073
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 5: have cock fights. Why because the basis of the book

1074
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 5: is they treat animals the same way fighting roosters the

1075
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 5: same way they treat people. They make them mean and

1076
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 5: angry towards each other, and then they make money in

1077
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 5: the whole unholy process.

1078
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad you pointed out the money thing, because I

1079
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: had that line in the notes circled for this reason, because,

1080
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: as you know from my comments introducing you, having practice

1081
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: litigation and eight years in Chicago and eight years in

1082
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: house with a healthcare company, I know how expensive retaining

1083
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: a lawyer is. I mean outrageous amounts of money. You're

1084
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Speaker 1: talking several hundred at minimum dollars an hour. And if

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Speaker 1: you get falsely accused of a crime or accused of

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00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: a crime, generally speaking, you have to get a defense

1087
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: attorney unless you rely on the public defender. And I

1088
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: will welcome your observations about the competency of the Public

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00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: Defender's office, but they tend to be overwhelmed with a

1090
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: number of cases they had so to get competent counsel.

1091
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: It's coming out of your pocket. And for those the

1092
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: moneys that don't have a lot of money, it's an

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00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: impossible chore.

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Speaker 5: Abbssolutely.

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Speaker 6: Public.

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00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 5: Defender's offices across the country are utterly overwhelmed. They don't

1097
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 5: have the time, they don't have the resources. But this

1098
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 5: even gets better because yesterday in the news came out

1099
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 5: a story that a crime lab analyst altered DNA evidence

1100
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 5: in hundreds of care in Colorado. Yesterday's news, it's like

1101
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 5: they knew, Brian, that I was going to be interviewed

1102
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Speaker 5: by you today.

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Speaker 1: It's like they knew why. And no, the timing is excellent,

1104
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Speaker 1: Frank Butt, Why would they do that?

1105
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing I wrote. I wrote in my

1106
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 5: book of the story of this teacher's fight to clear

1107
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 5: his name and all that he has to go through.

1108
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 5: And in it, I have a hearing and a trial

1109
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 5: and there's eight potential eight reasons, eight things more than

1110
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 5: eight actually that can go wrong, and a lot of

1111
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 5: it has to do with time elements. These lab analysts

1112
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 5: are told, we want these results, we want them now.

1113
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 5: There's hundreds and hundreds of cases they'll fudge results. There's

1114
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Speaker 5: evidence in that particular case, she was indicted for over

1115
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 5: a hundred plus cases that she dealt with. You know,

1116
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 5: I can't say why people do things, but I know

1117
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 5: this that it happens. And when the system, when someone's

1118
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 5: life and someone's freedom is at stake, there has to

1119
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 5: be more than just oh, well, we have this test

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Speaker 5: and we're going to absolutely rely on the results of

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Speaker 5: this test.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point, Frank. I think there's a sort

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Speaker 1: of perhaps it's a you know, presumably a government employee

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01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: or some lab They don't have any relationship to defend it.

1125
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a presumption of guilt because they've been charged,

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01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: so they have a lack of care and concern that

1127
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: they should sort of put themselves in the position of

1128
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: the person who's a defendant and do the job correctly

1129
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: and be able to testify on the stand that everything

1130
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: every eye was dotted and tea was crossed, because lives

1131
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: are at stake here. But it's like taxpayer dollars. You know,

1132
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: the government doesn't care where the dollars come from. They

1133
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: don't have any incentive to be, you know, mindful of

1134
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: where the money's going because they have this open spigot,

1135
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: and that creates well, lack of care and concern. Same

1136
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of parallel.

1137
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Speaker 5: Boy, Brian, have you hit it? And let me say that,

1138
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 5: let me say this you want to talk about, you know,

1139
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 5: they talk about weaponizing the justice Department against you know people.

1140
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 5: If you want to see the weaponization of the justice point,

1141
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 5: you ought to see how it's been weaponized against regular

1142
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 5: people and people who just can't afford to pay for

1143
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 5: expensive attorneys, and people who just don't have the resources.

1144
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 5: And now, of course we're in days of budgetary restraint,

1145
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 5: as we always have. So you know, good luck getting

1146
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 5: the court to approve money and say things like, well,

1147
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 5: you know, we're going to go ahead and do another test,

1148
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 5: even though you've already had a test and your results

1149
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 5: have been tested in my book, the individual asks for

1150
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 5: another test, but it's rejected. It's rejected, and in federal

1151
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 5: courts they have something across the country called rocket dockets,

1152
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 5: and so it's like this, well, guess what, we don't

1153
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 5: have time to do another test. There's not going to

1154
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 5: be the money given to do another test, and guess what,

1155
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 5: you don't be in trial on Monday.

1156
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 12: So so you.

1157
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: See, yeah, yeah, yeah, well in this system, I didn't

1158
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: practice I didn't practice criminal law, and I understand where

1159
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: you're coming from though, because you know, when you're preparing

1160
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: for a trial, you have a lot of work on

1161
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: your plate, and when and you're a criminal defendant, a

1162
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, you know again your client's life is

1163
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: in your hands. I dealt with money matters, and of

1164
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: course that really is significant to your client, but lives

1165
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: aren't at stake, and so I feel for you, Frank,

1166
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: I really do. In the book It's the Cockfight, it's

1167
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: on my blog page fifty five Carosea dot com. I'm

1168
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: my guests today, Frank Abrams. I appreciate your passion on

1169
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: this subject. It's something near and dear to my heart. Frank,

1170
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: it's been great having you on the program. I appreciate

1171
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: you sharing your time and with our listeners and documenting this.

1172
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: And it is a work of fiction, but Frank will

1173
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: tell you all day long, this is all based on

1174
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: reality and real quick Frank, in terms of being a

1175
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 1: defense attorney, if I wanted a separate DNA test because

1176
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: I had suspicions about the one that was presented by

1177
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: the prosecuting attorney, how much would it cost me as

1178
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: a separate line item on the legal bill.

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, typically they take it takes quite

1180
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 5: a long time to do, but it would be in

1181
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 5: the many thousands of dollars, at least three or four

1182
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 5: thousand dollars. And you're going to have to go ahead,

1183
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 5: basically and also retain an expert regarding that oh WO

1184
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 5: to show that the first test had flaws. So take

1185
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 5: a guess what that's gone about?

1186
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: Eight hundred plus dollars an hour?

1187
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, eight hundred plus. You know what in it

1188
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 5: has been to talk to you. It has just been

1189
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 5: such an honor to be interviewed. And this book I

1190
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 5: wrote came from my heart.

1191
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: I know it did.

1192
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 5: And people seem to like this because this is a

1193
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 5: book that tells it like it is well.

1194
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: And again you're outlining in this work of fiction real

1195
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: parallels to real life and again supporting my argument that

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Speaker 1: there should be no death penalty from the state. Frank,

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Speaker 1: keep up the great work. Thanks for joining me on

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Speaker 1: the morning show, and I'll recomend my listeners go to

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Speaker 1: fifty five Carscy dot com and get a copy of

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Speaker 1: your book, The Cockfight, And welcome to fifty five Cassy

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01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: Morning Show. Marion Ben's who is a we'll still call

1202
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: her a local author. We won't hold it again. There's

1203
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: the Cincinnaia native. But she did move to Atlanta in

1204
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: the nineties with her husband and family. But she is

1205
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: a local author and she wrote a book. It's called

1206
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: You Were Still Dancing, The Unforgettable Journey through Alzheimer's. Marion

1207
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: Ben's welcome to the Morning Show. It's great to have

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01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: you on my program.

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01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 9: Thanks Brian, and I appreciate the introduction.

1210
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,959
Speaker 1: Well, you're more than welcome. I just give my little

1211
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: readers a foundation so they know it's a local author.

1212
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: I like to support local authors. I think it's really

1213
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: kind of neat that we've gotten them in the audience

1214
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: because there's some really talented folks out there. But your

1215
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: book about Alzheimer's and sadly you were. How old were

1216
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: you when your grandmother experiences the challenge presented by Alzheimer's.

1217
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Speaker 13: I was probably sixteen, mid teens, I would say. I

1218
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 13: was still living at home and my grandmother. When my

1219
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 13: grandmother was diagnosed, she came to live with my family.

1220
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Speaker 13: At that time, there were six kids. In the time,

1221
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 13: there were just two of us left, myself and my

1222
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 13: brother Kevin, so Maul moved in. They looked at nursing

1223
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 13: homes and small, small family homes my mom and her sister,

1224
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 13: but they just couldn't come to an agreement on where

1225
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 13: to leave her, and my mom just she wanted her

1226
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 13: with us, so my grandmother moved it well.

1227
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Speaker 1: Having lived through this with my father struggling with Alzheimer's

1228
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: dimension I ultimately ended his life. The challenge is presented

1229
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Speaker 1: by having to care for a loved one, and not

1230
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: just the emotional component, which is obviously overwhelming, but my

1231
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: mom was just run down to the point of exhaustion

1232
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: because you know, it's a literal twenty four hour day,

1233
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: seven day a week proposition dealing with the challenges these

1234
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: folks struggle with.

1235
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Speaker 9: Right, you know, And that was my mom was also

1236
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 9: working part time, you know, I remember I was in

1237
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 9: my summers, I was a camp counselor. And during one

1238
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 9: of these years that my grandma was with us, I

1239
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 9: came back in the fall and my mom had aged overnight.

1240
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 9: And it was so dramatic for me and traumatic to

1241
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 9: see that just in the short ten weeks when I

1242
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 9: was gone, how much she had changed. And you don't

1243
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 9: realize it. I wasn't the primary caregiver, you know, I

1244
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 9: was witnessing what was going on, but you don't take

1245
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 9: the full blunt of caregiving. As a teenager, even I

1246
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 9: would help mom, or we would shit my brother and

1247
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 9: I would sit with mal so mom and dad could

1248
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:22,839
Speaker 9: go out. But it is absolutely a life changing aging

1249
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 9: process for the caregiver. And you know that's why I,

1250
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 9: you know, encourage people who talk to me who are

1251
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 9: going through it to basically to take your oxygen first,

1252
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 9: to take care of yourself, to make sure that you're

1253
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 9: eating right. You know, of all the research I did

1254
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 9: for this book, it's the Mediterranean diet is the one

1255
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 9: diet that just kept popping up kind of went to

1256
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 9: the top of diets for people, not just to prevent Alzheimer's,

1257
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 9: but just to lead.

1258
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Speaker 14: A healthier lifestyle.

1259
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Speaker 9: And that's one of the things that you know, I

1260
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 9: would recommend that sleep, exercise, and in some form of

1261
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 9: just clearing your mind. I meditated, you know. And another

1262
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 9: really important thing is just taking people up on it,

1263
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 9: on the offer to sit with your loved one or

1264
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 9: finding someone who will sitting with their life, or paying

1265
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 9: someone just sit with your life, because you need to

1266
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 9: get away.

1267
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:23,799
Speaker 12: Definitely, you need.

1268
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 9: To just step back from it. And even if you're

1269
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 9: just going outside and taking a small walk and just

1270
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 9: breathing the fresh air. Well, but it's just all encompassing.

1271
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Speaker 1: Mary and Ben's author of you were still dancing. This

1272
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's situation, though, developed further because once your grandmother, I

1273
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: guess it was it after she passed that your mother

1274
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,440
Speaker 1: came down with the symptoms of Alzheimer's.

1275
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, my grandmother passed, and you know it was

1276
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 9: it was another I would say fifteen twenty years when

1277
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 9: started showing the signs, but she actually you know, Alzheimer's

1278
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 9: is now known to begin in the brain twenty you know,

1279
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 9: two decades before the symptoms first appear. So while we're

1280
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 9: out living our lives, there's a lot going on inside

1281
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 9: our head that you know, we don't know about now. Now,

1282
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 9: there is early testing if you're brave enough to do it,

1283
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 9: and I haven't done that yet, but I have friends

1284
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 9: that have, and I think you really have to be

1285
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 9: careful to make sure that you have the personality that

1286
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 9: can handle that. Maybe you have an increased risk of

1287
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 9: developing Alzheimer's. I know myself if I forgot a word,

1288
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 9: which I sometimes do. Yeah, the first place to know

1289
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 9: is I'm getting Alzheimer's and just the bandits that might follow.

1290
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: Out, Oh my god, Mary and Ben I have the

1291
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: exact same reaction. You know, I'll be sixty in September

1292
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: and I like to just pass it. I was like, jeez, Frie,

1293
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: you're getting old. It's not as sharp as you used

1294
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 1: to be. And I'm struggling to find a word. But

1295
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: then again, I immediately think of my father, and yes,

1296
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: it's unsettling, to say the least.

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Speaker 4: So it is good.

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Speaker 9: In the absence of a cure, and there is none,

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Speaker 9: right now, that's I think you really have to weigh

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Speaker 9: whether you can handle knowing that you have a greater chance. Now,

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Speaker 9: of course you can go back to all the things

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Speaker 9: what do I need to do to prevent it? But

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Speaker 9: you still have to know if you have the mindset

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Speaker 9: that can you know, not go to tural places whenever

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Speaker 9: you know, we're my keys, or you know, you walk

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Speaker 9: into a room and what did.

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Speaker 12: I come in here for?

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Speaker 9: And I think that we all do it to some extent.

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Speaker 9: So when you have a history in your family, it's

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Speaker 9: easy to go there, and then it's easy to kind

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Speaker 9: of become consumed by its. Yeah, that's the you know,

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Speaker 9: just to try to not go there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually I can see it bringing on full blown

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Speaker 1: depression if you, I mean, if you, if you're dwelling

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Speaker 1: on it enough. It's just it's terrib because the disease

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Speaker 1: is insidious. I mean it. I actually, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know this. That sounded like disrespect for my dad or

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Speaker 1: that I was happy he died, But what a weight

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Speaker 1: was looked that he was miserable, He didn't know who

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Speaker 1: anybody was. He laid in his bed and had no function,

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Speaker 1: you know, no control over his bowels, which is obviously

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Speaker 1: a common problem in these situations, which is one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why you're tending to someone twenty four to seven. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just he I knew he was in a

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Speaker 1: better place, that he was released.

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Speaker 9: Right exactly. And and I and I believe that's the word.

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Speaker 9: And that's how I feel thought my grandmother, I felt

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Speaker 9: like she has just let go, she was released. And

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Speaker 9: I think that's just such a nice way to look

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Speaker 9: at it. It really helps if you if you it

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Speaker 9: depends on you know, where you come from spiritually. But

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Speaker 9: but if you do believe that we are you know,

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Speaker 9: we are our soul encompasses are body or however you

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Speaker 9: look at it, you know, to be released from those chains,

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Speaker 9: and they really do hold you down when you have

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Speaker 9: a disease such as Alzheimer's.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you're faced with Alzheimer's in your family, what,

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Speaker 1: having lived this now two times, you obviously saw it all,

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Speaker 1: what do you recommend people to do in terms of

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Speaker 1: dealing with this challenge and maintain some sort of I

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Speaker 1: know you mentioned the exercise and taking walks and all

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Speaker 1: that related to caregiving, because it is exhausting, But what

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Speaker 1: about just coping with the general reality that they're living with.

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Speaker 9: What are your recommendations the reality that that caregiver lives

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Speaker 9: with or the reality that the patient lives.

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Speaker 1: With, no the caregiver. I was thinking more of the caregiver,

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Speaker 1: because quite often the patient themselves loses any sense of

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Speaker 1: recollection or even ability to recognize you as a as

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Speaker 1: a relative.

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Speaker 9: Right, you know. So for myself personally, I do and

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Speaker 9: I think about it every day. That's the first thing.

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Speaker 9: I Alzheimer's is no more than a couple of degrees

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Speaker 9: away from, you know, my thought process. Wherever I am,

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Speaker 9: I do believe strongly in a one meditation. I know

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Speaker 9: I spoke with that earlier, but I can't emphasize that

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Speaker 9: enough to even go into like a deep breathing clearing

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Speaker 9: your mind, just kind of setting the tone for the day,

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Speaker 9: as you you know, get I believe that I always

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Speaker 9: start my day with exercise, some form of yoga, some

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Speaker 9: form of our Wilbek exercise, and just try to you know,

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Speaker 9: give my body the best chance I can to keep

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Speaker 9: from you know, the problem with Alzheimer's, it's not a problem.

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Speaker 9: That issue with Alzheimer's is that Alzheimer's is very much

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Speaker 9: like any other disease that affects the heart right. So

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Speaker 9: if you have high blood pressure, if you have high cholesterol,

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Speaker 9: those those need to be recognized and then they need

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Speaker 9: to be taken care of broad under control, whatever means

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Speaker 9: that is. I am on a statin. I you know,

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Speaker 9: I don't feel like I should be on a statins

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Speaker 9: because I'm in states, and I eat right, and I

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Speaker 9: exercise and I try to do all the right things.

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Speaker 9: But apparently genetically I'm predisposed to having high cholesterol. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: tried my doctor ride to you know, do it you know,

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Speaker 9: with diet, do it with exercise. You gave me a

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Speaker 9: lot of time.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me strongly encourage you to look into bioidentical

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Speaker 1: hormone replacement therapy, which is what the Europeans do to

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Speaker 1: solve the cholesterol problem. Plus it really makes you feel good,

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Speaker 1: I mean really good. So Okay, bioidentical hormone replacement therapy.

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Speaker 1: May your hormones could be out of balance, low estrogen,

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Speaker 1: low tester and whatever, what a testoster, whatever happens to be.

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Speaker 1: But if you do some research on it, they don't

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Speaker 1: use statins in Europe from what I've been told by

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Speaker 1: physicians that I deal with. So just a thought, but

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Speaker 1: it also deals with a whole bunch of other problems,

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Speaker 1: you know, metapausal problems, and you know sexual desire, and

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Speaker 1: uh just it's it's it's kind of magical, if I

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Speaker 1: may be so bold as to say so, maryon Ben's

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Speaker 1: But now, I guess this book is recommended for anybody

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Speaker 1: who is dealing with the realities of Alzheimer's, anybody who's

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Speaker 1: got a family member or a loved one or a

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Speaker 1: friend who's struggling with the disease. Thoughts, comments, and how

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Speaker 1: to deal and cope with it all. In the book,

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Speaker 1: you were still dancing an unforgettable journey through Alzheimer's by

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Speaker 1: ours Still we'll call her local author Mary and Ben's Marian.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for putting this down and I checked on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Everybody loves it. You got a five star review there

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Speaker 1: and it came out June of last year. So people

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Speaker 1: can get a copy of your book on my blog

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Speaker 1: page of fifty five KRC dot com and I'll encourage

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Speaker 1: them to do that.

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Speaker 9: I really appreciate that, and I do think it's her

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Speaker 9: going to say the process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and prayers to everybody who has to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: It's not a fun process. Mary, and you have a

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Speaker 1: wonderful Valentine's Day and a great weekend. And I'll encourage

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Speaker 1: my listeners to pick up a copy of your book

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Speaker 1: over my blog page fifty five KRC dot com. Take

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Speaker 1: care and thanks for your time.

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Speaker 4: This morning.

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Speaker 1: Eight o six a fifty five krcd Talks Nation. A

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Speaker 1: very happy Friday Eve to you him Please to welcome

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Speaker 1: to fifty five CARCA Mornings. I'm an next guest author,

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Speaker 1: Michael Walls. She has written quite a few books Last

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Speaker 1: stand You probably read quite a few of them. Author

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Speaker 1: of Last Stands, more than fifteen other novels and nonfiction book.

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Speaker 1: Classical music critic for Time Magazine at one point received

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and four American Book Awards Prize for

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Speaker 1: Fiction for his gangster novel There's Another One You Can

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Speaker 1: Read and All the Saints. He wrote popular columns from

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Speaker 1: National Review, which he used under a pseudonym to put

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Speaker 1: into the book Rules for Radical Conservatives. There's One for You,

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Speaker 1: and his other books Devil's Pleasure and The Fiery Angel

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Speaker 1: are examples of the enemy heroes and triumphs and struggles

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Speaker 1: of Western civilization, which allows us to pivot over to

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Speaker 1: the book. Talking about today, his new book, A Rage

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Speaker 1: to Conquer Twelve Battles that change the course of Western History.

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Speaker 1: Michael Walsh, Welcome to the Morning Show. It's a real

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on today.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Brian.

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Speaker 1: So, there are a lot more than twelve battles, and

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Speaker 1: I suppose a lot of them could have impacted Western history.

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Speaker 1: First off, what interested you in this topic? And then

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Speaker 1: how did you whittle all of the wars that have

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Speaker 1: been waged by man over the years down to the

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Speaker 1: twelve that you selected.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been very interested in military history my whole life.

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Speaker 2: I was born actually on the Marine Corps base in

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Speaker 2: Campleyshire in North Carolina, and my father was a Marine

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Speaker 2: officer who fought in Korea and elsewhere. So that's part

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Speaker 2: of my upbringing. And as you mentioned, I read a

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Speaker 2: book called Last Stance four years ago which was quite successful,

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Speaker 2: and that examined why men fight when everything seems to

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Speaker 2: be lost, but they don't cut and around, they fight.

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Speaker 2: So this book is an outgrowth of that book, and

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Speaker 2: I wanted to look at twelve Battles and the commanders

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Speaker 2: who led them to talk about masculinity again and talk

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Speaker 2: about what it takes to be successful at what is,

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Speaker 2: unfortunately one of the most fundamental human endeavors there is,

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Speaker 2: which is warfare.

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to approach this sort of in reverse order,

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Speaker 1: and we could start with the Trojan War and Achilles,

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Speaker 1: which I'm very interested in talking with you about. But

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Speaker 1: the last one, the most recent challenge, the Battle of

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven and how it was ultimately lost by

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Speaker 1: the United States. Would you put a little more flesh

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Speaker 1: on the bones of that conclusion. I think I get

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Speaker 1: your point, but that was just my attention gravitated toward

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Speaker 1: that considering it wasn't, you know, a traditional form of

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Speaker 1: warfare unless you look at sort of maybe our invasion

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Speaker 1: of Iraq.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's turned out to the most controversial part of

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Speaker 2: the book. And I remember when an author it's a book,

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Speaker 2: he's finished the text about a year before it comes out.

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Speaker 2: So it's not like blogging or anything. It's it's you

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Speaker 2: have to consider this well in advance and try to

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Speaker 2: figure out what readers are going to be interested in.

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Speaker 2: But nine to eleven struck me as an example of

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Speaker 2: a commander President Bush who didn't understand the rules of

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Speaker 2: warfare and didn't have the stomach to fight the battle

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Speaker 2: that needed to be fought, unlike all the other guys

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Speaker 2: in the book, which include you mentioned Achilles, who's you know,

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Speaker 2: quasi fictional, but obviously it's based on somebody real wayback when.

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Speaker 2: But Caesar and Constantine the Great and General Patten and

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Speaker 2: the other people I talk about. And so as a result,

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Speaker 2: we didn't really believe that war was declared on us.

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Speaker 2: And if you think we won the Battle of nine

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Speaker 2: to eleven, go to the airport and see.

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Speaker 1: If that's a great point. You know, behind all this,

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Speaker 1: the whole idea of warfare Michael. I'm a profound constitutionalist,

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Speaker 1: little l libertarian, am I. But we end up launching

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Speaker 1: missiles and dropping bombs and taking people out in foreign

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Speaker 1: lands against him. We have no declaration of war. And

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Speaker 1: you know, with technology being pervasive, more and more foreign

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Speaker 1: actors and folks that we might not consider friendly to

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Speaker 1: us have that technology and could equally do the same

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Speaker 1: thing to us that we're doing to them. Congress never

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Speaker 1: declares war. You get an authorization, you use a military

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Speaker 1: force to deal with nine to eleven, and it ends

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Speaker 1: up lasting twenty plus years to serve as a justification

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Speaker 1: for conflicts literally everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's disgraceful. It's part of the forever war mindset,

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Speaker 2: which is true of people at both parties, by the way,

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Speaker 2: And if you don't think so, just look at one

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Speaker 2: of the senators from South Carolina, John Love Childs, who

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Speaker 2: never saw war. He personally didn't want to fight in,

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Speaker 2: but didn't want somebody.

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Speaker 4: Else to fight in.

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Speaker 2: The fact is that we got were declared on us,

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Speaker 2: and we simply refused to accept it. So this event happened,

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Speaker 2: and then we refused to address the issue, and we

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Speaker 2: went to other countries which had little or nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with it, h tut to twenty some years later,

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Speaker 2: and we even immediately pull out of Afghanistan.

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Speaker 4: It was a disgrace. And that's what I said in

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Speaker 4: the book.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're probably in good company with my

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Speaker 1: listening audience on those conclusions, sir. Now back to Achilles again.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I was drawn to that is

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01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: because there is a lot of fictional element associated with Achilles,

1511
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 1: like the Achilles heel story. But what was his importance?

1512
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 1: Is it Ilium?

1513
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, said Troy.

1514
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Iliad, which is one of the foundation of

1515
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 2: great poem, along with the Odyssey of Western culture, talks

1516
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 2: about something that we now know happened. We're not sure

1517
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 2: to what a stenate did, and Homer comes down to

1518
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 2: us himself as a semi mystical figure, but something happened there.

1519
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: But what's great about the earli End, First of all,

1520
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: it's a great, great work of art, and secondly, it

1521
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 2: does describe in graphic and gruesome detail how warfare was

1522
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 2: conducted around roughly one thousand BC uh and that is

1523
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 2: the beginning of the.

1524
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 4: West's first clash with the East.

1525
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 2: So the obviously the Greeks were on the western side

1526
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: of this divide and the Trojans Troy is now and

1527
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 2: where western Turkey is they were the East. And this

1528
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 2: is a theme that runs throughout Western history. Alexander's fight,

1529
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 2: Alexander's fighting the Persians. There's this constant battle within Rome

1530
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 2: against the Parthians. Wore also sort of quasei Persians. It

1531
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 2: was just one of the threads of the book. But

1532
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 2: you have to start with the very first war story

1533
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: and that's.

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01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: It understood, and fast forward over to the Crusades, the

1535
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: first Cruqade, Crusades.

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01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 4: Bohemond, Yes, yeah, no one has heard of Beaulamonte except for.

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01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: The first time, sir, this is it man, I've just

1538
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:18,560
Speaker 1: been introduced to Bauhemont.

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01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:19,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1540
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 2: Well, he's an amazing figure and he is the hero

1541
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 2: of this particular chapter because he won two critical battles

1542
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: in the first Crusade, which was recalled by the Pope

1543
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: in response to the Byzantine Emperor, the emperor of the

1544
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: eastern part of the old Roman Emperor Empire to liberate

1545
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 2: the holy sites of Christianity. So this was in the

1546
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 2: very late eleventh century and Beauma was a great, big Norman.

1547
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 2: The Normans had just conquered England like thirty years before,

1548
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 2: and many of the Normans joined the Crusade and went

1549
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 2: to the Holy Land to fight. And Beaumont himself was

1550
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 2: a Norman from southerns had conquered the lower part of

1551
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 2: Italy and Sicily and ruled it for many, many years.

1552
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 2: So Beaumont led his troops, and he was a giant

1553
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: of a man. He was a tactical genius and was

1554
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,799
Speaker 2: able to stave off defeat in the very first battle the.

1555
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 4: Crusaders fought against the Turks, and he.

1556
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 2: Was able to win and keep the whole siege of

1557
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 2: Antioch and caused that city which was crucial to the

1558
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 2: path to Jerusalem, which he then took for himself. And

1559
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: he kind of drops out of the Crusading narrative. But

1560
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 2: in two places he really stepped up and shows the

1561
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 2: superiority of Western arms and also the size. The Franks

1562
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 2: were much bigger than the Turks, and.

1563
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:52,799
Speaker 4: They had a problem.

1564
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 2: The Turks were very mobile, kind of like American Indians

1565
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:00,759
Speaker 2: against the cowboys or the cavalry and the American West

1566
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 2: that come in, shoot run away, come in, shoot run away,

1567
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 2: and the Crusaders were frustrated. They could ever get their

1568
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 2: hands on them. Well, Bowman finally did, and uh fended

1569
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 2: off this ambush. They could have ended the crusade at

1570
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 2: a little place called Dora Lam and then regrouped and

1571
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: they marched all the way to Antioch, and in a

1572
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 2: brilliant siege, took Antioch against vastly, vastly superior numbers.

1573
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: Now, in terms of the crusades, you said, the Pope

1574
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: issued this, you know, request, and everybody needs to go

1575
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 1: there to help out. And I understand this was was

1576
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: it largely viewed by people as a legitimate, you know,

1577
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: calling from God like that this this was a necessary

1578
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 1: religious thing to do, because you know, over the years,

1579
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of speculation that, well, now there's just

1580
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of Europeans that wanted to go plunder and

1581
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: and look for treasure as opposed to liberate the country.

1582
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's an answer for that, which is, but

1583
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: the first crusade was successful. Most of them went home.

1584
01:26:54,560 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 2: They didn't stay. Himself was a Lackland who took part

1585
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 2: of the turf that was conquered, and so do the others.

1586
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 2: But most of them went home. And a point I

1587
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 2: make over and over again in the book is that

1588
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 2: almost all these wars have some religious component, and from

1589
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 2: the earliest time, success in war was contributed to your God,

1590
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 2: and failure meant that you had not lived up to

1591
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 2: the demands of your God. You hadn't prayed hard enough,

1592
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:29,560
Speaker 2: sacrificed hard enough, you had you lost because of insufficient fabelity.

1593
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 2: This is a constant theme throughout Western history. It's very

1594
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 2: very interesting and.

1595
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: It makes sense. You know, if you believe in a

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01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: supreme power and you're beholden to them, and you actually

1597
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: have a belief system that involves you know, God and

1598
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: acts of God, then yeah, you're going to step up

1599
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: to the play because basically your soul is contingent upon

1600
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: it where you're going to end up in the afterlife, right.

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01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you also got a complete remission of sins

1602
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 2: if you went on the cruise. That was part of

1603
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 2: the deal. And also the what's interesting is the Church

1604
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 2: guaranteed your property because the Church was the only power,

1605
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: you know, the Roman Empire having fallen five hundred years earlier,

1606
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 2: six hundred years earlier. Uh, and you were immune from

1607
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,480
Speaker 2: lawsuits and there was there was a bunch of upside.

1608
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 2: A lot of them died on the group trip France

1609
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 2: and what's now Germany. Uh, all the way to the east,

1610
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 2: to the eastern edge of the Mediterranean. But there were

1611
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 2: some some bennies shall we say, uh with it. But

1612
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 2: I would say it was mostly fueled by religious ardor.

1613
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 2: And that was true with the Muslim side too. They

1614
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 2: believed in the prophet. They were they were undefeated up

1615
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 2: to that point. They had never encountered any opposition that

1616
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 2: stood up. They rolled through the remnants of the Roman Empire,

1617
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 2: they rolled over Persia, conquered Iran, Islamic sized Iran.

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01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 11: Uh.

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01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 2: They were they were used to success. And the first

1620
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: time they came up against the Franks and got walked

1621
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 2: and they were uh. It taught them something to and

1622
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 2: And this war, now, that particular war has been going

1623
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 2: on for a thousand plus years. That's the Israel Godza conflict.

1624
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 2: That's where that starts.

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01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 1: It's amazing that that has been raging for that long.

1626
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: And you did bring up the travel I was going

1627
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: to ask you about that in terms of the the

1628
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 1: the crusades, that that distance in the time it would

1629
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 1: take to get from point A to point B to

1630
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,879
Speaker 1: fight and then come back home. I'm just I suppose

1631
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: that we're still under a feudal system then, correct.

1632
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, more or less, the kings of Europe had not

1633
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 2: really quite emerged yet. So what that's called the Princess

1634
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:41,879
Speaker 2: Crusade because remember, there's no France, there is no Germany

1635
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 2: right as we know it.

1636
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 4: So these were little princelings.

1637
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 2: Of various little principalities around Europe that that got together

1638
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 2: and organized an army, and they had specific leaders and

1639
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 2: they accomplished it. It's an amazing logistical feat when you

1640
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 2: stop to think about it, that they came all that

1641
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 2: way by lands and sea, over a terrible terrain, and

1642
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 2: lost a lot of their people, but they just kept going.

1643
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,640
Speaker 2: And there were times they didn't want to go, but

1644
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 2: they felt they had to go, and so they seized

1645
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 2: upon any sign that God was with them, most famously

1646
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 2: at Antioch, where they were getting they were having a

1647
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: very hard time with the giant Turkish army, and then

1648
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: one of them discovered what he purported to be the

1649
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 2: Holy the tip of the Holy Spirit that had pierced

1650
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:34,759
Speaker 2: Christ's side at the time of the crucifixion, and using

1651
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,719
Speaker 2: this rusty piece of iron, they went into battle holding

1652
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 2: it up and won. So naturally they thought God was

1653
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 2: on their side. At the Crusader motto was deuslovul God

1654
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 2: wills it and they would shout at us, they would

1655
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 2: move into battle.

1656
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff. Fascinating stuff. Michael Walsh, the name of the book,

1657
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: A Raged to Conquer Twelve battles that changed the course

1658
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: of Western history. Michael, what we've done for you? And

1659
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm for my listeners primarily because they're gonna want to

1660
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: get a copy of the book. It's on my blog

1661
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 1: page of fifty five carosee dot com. My listeners know

1662
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: where to go and get a copy of the book.

1663
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: There's a link to where to buy it. And it's

1664
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: well received on Amazon and if a fascinating range of

1665
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 1: topics again from the Trojan War all the way through

1666
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: the nine to eleven. I appreciate you talking with my

1667
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: listeners of me today, Michael, and spending some time here.

1668
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: And thanks for writing the book and documenting this important history.

1669
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 1: I'm happy to welcome to the fifty five Case Morning Show.

1670
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: Shiloh creed Day's an American author. He's written under a

1671
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: multiple pen names. He has sold over one point four

1672
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 1: million books. He's received multiple Gold medals for novels and

1673
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 1: been a best selling many times over author. Today, we're

1674
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the book Plunged the Three Worlds.

1675
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 1: It's book one Three Worlds described as Christian sci fi series. Shiloh,

1676
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: Welcome to the fifty five CARSEEE Morning Show. Thanks for

1677
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: showing up.

1678
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 15: Hey, thank you so much for having me.

1679
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: Now, I'm confused Christian side fi series. That's sort of

1680
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:06,600
Speaker 1: an interesting melding of mediums, I guess. Or I'm just

1681
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how Christianity and science fiction go

1682
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: hand in hand. Obviously that's what the book is all about.

1683
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: But how did you get the inspiration for this particular

1684
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: book and the idea of merging sci fi and christian theme.

1685
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 15: Well, it's been a long journey. I've written thirty eight novels,

1686
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 15: but this one has been over ten years in the making,

1687
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 15: so I've had a lot of revisions and it's been

1688
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 15: quite a journey. But you know, have you ever heard

1689
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:34,799
Speaker 15: of the Philadelphia Project?

1690
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1691
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we go there too. So a

1692
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 15: big part of the book is kind of based on

1693
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 15: the Philadelphia Project, which is considered a conspiracy theory, I

1694
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 15: guess now, So yeah, we've got conspiracy theories sci fi

1695
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:55,759
Speaker 15: and spiritual thriller all wrapped up into one. So Plunge

1696
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 15: is the story of Jacob Carter who is forced into

1697
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 15: a military experience which causes him to jump into the

1698
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 15: spiritual side of our world, where instead of seeing the physical,

1699
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 15: he's actually experiencing spiritual things. So it's his journey of

1700
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,719
Speaker 15: discovering who he really is as inn avy cl He's

1701
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 15: very strong, capable and smart, but in the spirit he

1702
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 15: discovers his true self is not all he wants it

1703
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 15: to be. So it's a super fun journey.

1704
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 1: So this spiritual realm that he finds himself in, I

1705
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: guess my understanding is that there's a cloaking device that

1706
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 1: puts him into this spiritual realm. Now is this a

1707
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: spiritual realm? Is it? Is it evil? I means he is?

1708
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,879
Speaker 1: He is he attacked? I mean, because if it's spiritual,

1709
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: there's no physical nature going on. I'm thinking, like, you

1710
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,600
Speaker 1: couldn't get into a gunfight in the spiritual world. I

1711
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,680
Speaker 1: means he come under some threat or and how is

1712
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: his spirituality tested?

1713
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 5: For sure?

1714
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 15: Yeah, a lot of threats. It's definitely an action adventure book,

1715
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 15: so there's a fight scenes throughout, but in the spirit

1716
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 15: the enemy is a lion, and he is being hunted.

1717
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 15: Jacob is being hunted throughout the whole book, and it's

1718
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 15: his journey to figure out, you know what biblically does

1719
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 15: he have? What what can he do? Uh to protect

1720
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Speaker 15: himself and to change things and to keep himself from

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Speaker 15: you know, from the enemy there. So yeah, plunge is definitely.

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01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 11: Man.

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Speaker 15: I tell people when to pick it up. I say,

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01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 15: brace yourself because in the physical world when he jumps

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01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 15: back into the physical he is facing super soldiers. They're

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01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 15: putting him against super soldiers to see if they can

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01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,560
Speaker 15: the government can use the knowledge that he gained in

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01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 15: the spirit. So yeah, it's fights in both worlds.

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Speaker 1: I guess is the lion a metaphor or is it

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01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: a true lion? I'm thinking like the Lion, the Witch

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Speaker 1: and the Wardrobe, which many point two? Is that maybe

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Speaker 1: a dominant Christian theme if you read those series of books,

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01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: But in this particular book, is that is that sort

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01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: of a Is that like an homage to the Lion

1735
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: the Witch in the War about Wardrobe in some way?

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Speaker 16: No?

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01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 15: Maybe maybe more to script. Sure, you know, the Bible

1738
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 15: says that the enemy goes about like a roaring Lion,

1739
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,799
Speaker 15: So it is. Plunge definitely has a lot of allegorical content.

1740
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 15: So you know, the more that you get into it,

1741
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 15: the more I think things that will pop out to

1742
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 15: you as you read the book.

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Speaker 1: There was a book designed to test people's faith or

1744
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,600
Speaker 1: to you know, affirm it in some way.

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01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 15: Oh, definitely to affirm it. When I was thirty two,

1746
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 15: I had major heart trouble and this book was really

1747
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 15: born out of my struggle to find faith and to

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Speaker 15: find divine healing, which thank God, I have received here.

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Speaker 12: I am so yeah.

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Speaker 15: Plunge is definitely a spiritual journey, and its purpose is

1751
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 15: to strengthen, encourage, and kind of wake up the church

1752
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 15: and people who are maybe seeking God but haven't seen

1753
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 15: any of his power. They haven't seen the life that

1754
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 15: they expected to see from that relationship.

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Speaker 1: How about that, I think you've already answered the question,

1756
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 1: But who did you write this book for? I can

1757
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 1: certainly understand that now. I guess you went through this

1758
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: challenge yourself. Was it one of those moments when you

1759
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: felt like God had kind of given up on you

1760
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:13,719
Speaker 1: or turned his back on you in some way, shape

1761
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: or form. Because I know a lot of people struggle

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01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 1: with that sort of harsh reality of the world when

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01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: they experience times of trouble, or maybe in your case,

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01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: health problems crop up, like a cancer diagnosis or something.

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Speaker 15: Oh, it was definitely a dark time, but it was

1766
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 15: also a time of hope because I had made the

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01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:41,680
Speaker 15: complete decision for myself to trust God's words. So I

1768
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 15: didn't see any doctors, I didn't do anything else. I

1769
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 15: just went to the Lord. And so although it was difficult,

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Speaker 15: I think the biggest thing that I had to do

1771
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:54,640
Speaker 15: was unlearned things that I thought about God, and I

1772
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 15: had to go to the Bible and discover what did

1773
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 15: God actually say about himself? And then I had to

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01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 15: believe that instead of all of the things that I

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Speaker 15: had spent my life believing before.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Now, this is the first book and what

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01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 1: is called the Three Worlds Christian sci fi series. King

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01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,799
Speaker 1: real quick, I guess have the other books been written

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01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: already and we're just waiting to release them after this

1780
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 1: one's gone out, or are you still working on them?

1781
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Speaker 1: And what also is the Three Worlds? What does initial

1782
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: cap three worlds Christian refer to.

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01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,639
Speaker 15: Sure three worlds refers to Heaven, Earth, and Hell. So

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01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 15: the book kind of spans all three realms, and the

1785
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 15: series definitely does. I'm actually sitting here in front of

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Speaker 15: my computer editing Book two. It is scheduled to release,

1787
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 15: I believe in July, and it is up on pre

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01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 15: order right now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: So as the series progresses, we definitely get into end

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Speaker 15: Times themes. There starts in book two and in book

1792
01:37:54,880 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 15: three is full on end time revelation type stuff. Extremely

1793
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 15: fun series.

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Speaker 1: That sounds very interesting to say the least. And I

1795
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 1: know my listeners will be very interested in getting a

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Speaker 1: copy of your book. So what we've done is, Shiloh,

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Speaker 1: put your book up on my blog page at fifty

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Speaker 1: five care sea dot com with a link to purchase

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Speaker 1: a copy, and I'll encourage my listeners to check that out.

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Speaker 1: Sounds fascinating. Shiloh, create a real pleasure to having on

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Speaker 1: the program this morning, and keep up the great work. Obviously,

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01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 1: you are an inspired writer with thirty one books under

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Speaker 1: your belt. I just can't imagine.

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Speaker 15: Oh, thank you so much for having me.

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01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:32,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate its been a real pleasure. Take care seven

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Speaker 1: thirty eight fifty five KRC the talk Station. I'm pleased

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Speaker 1: to welcome to the fifty five CARSC Morning Show book

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Speaker 1: you can get on my blog page fifty five kr

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Speaker 1: seed dot com like Swans by our local author, Susie Cohin. Susy,

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01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 1: welcome to the program. It's great to have you on

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01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 10: Thank you.

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Speaker 12: I'm honored to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm honored to have you on. And you know,

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01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 1: you could be quite an inspiration to some other folks

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01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 1: in the listening audience. And I would like to put

1817
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Speaker 1: a plug in for Peter Bronson is his Chili Dog

1818
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 1: Press is a local publishing outfit, and he is an

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Speaker 1: extraordinary author in his own right. But let me first

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Speaker 1: ask you what part of town are you and since

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Speaker 1: you are described as a local author.

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Speaker 14: SUSI, I live in Sharonville.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, And you got a bit of a Brady

1824
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Speaker 1: Bunch situation going over your place.

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Speaker 16: Well, our kids are all grown, so they actually never

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01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 16: grew up together. Oh okay, but they get along great.

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Speaker 12: So we have.

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Speaker 16: I have twin boys and my husband has three daughters,

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Speaker 16: so we're one short of the perfect baby bunch.

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Speaker 1: That's great. I saw the description of your in your

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01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: in the outline and I just was chuckling on myself

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Speaker 1: about that. You're also a flight attendant.

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Speaker 12: Yes, doing that from Doha last night.

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Speaker 14: Actually, oh wow.

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Speaker 12: And I was so.

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Speaker 16: Nervous because you know, the airport in Philadelphia is a mess.

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Speaker 16: There were so many delayed flights, and I was like

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Speaker 16: praying that I would get on.

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01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 12: The six o'clock because otherwise as it would be a.

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Speaker 14: Very late arrival, and with the jet.

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Speaker 16: Lag and all that, I was like, I just want

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Speaker 16: to feel good in the morning, you know.

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Speaker 1: I understand that. And props to you and all of

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Speaker 1: the flight attendants I talked to. iHeartMedia aviation expert Jay

1845
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 1: Ratliffe every Thursday, and he is always reminding people that

1846
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Speaker 1: you're not stewardess is you're highly trained folks who were

1847
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: designed to deal with, you know, potentially terrible problems that

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01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 1: need to be treated with much greater respect. So I

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01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 1: can put in a word a positive word in for

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Speaker 1: you and other flight attendants for the work.

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Speaker 4: That you do.

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Speaker 1: All right, pivoting over your book, like Swans, what inspired

1853
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 1: you to write the book? We can dive into the

1854
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Speaker 1: details of it and tell my listeners all about it.

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Speaker 16: Well, my parents always, especially my mom, talked about how

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Speaker 16: they escaped and life over there.

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Speaker 12: And I wrote a short story about it.

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Speaker 16: In like nineteen eighty six, and my professors like, oh that,

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Speaker 16: you know, that's pretty good. You should expound on that. Well,

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01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 16: you know, then I had twins and got really busy

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Speaker 16: and uh, I was, you know, flying full time.

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Speaker 12: And my mother, though, was always like, no, Citity, what

1863
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 12: aren't gonna write that book? And it was a lifelong dream.

1864
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Speaker 16: And when COVID came about, the silver lining of COVID

1865
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Speaker 16: for me was having an eighteen month leave where I

1866
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Speaker 16: could sit down. Michael, my husband said, Okay, you know,

1867
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Speaker 16: you can write your book now, and I knew I

1868
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 16: had no more excuses, so I sat down and.

1869
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Speaker 14: Worked, you know, very hard.

1870
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Speaker 12: It was really a labor of love.

1871
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Speaker 16: It was the hardest thing I've had to ever do

1872
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 16: because when I was writing it, you know, we had

1873
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 16: so much censorship going on, and it just reminded me

1874
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 16: of what my parents talked about.

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Speaker 1: Well, you said over there, the over there you were

1876
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Speaker 1: talking about is Czechoslovakia with post communist when the people

1877
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Speaker 1: in the Communists were in charge.

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Speaker 16: Yes, it was like in nineteen sixty six was one

1879
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:55,599
Speaker 16: day escaped.

1880
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Speaker 12: So sorry I forgot that small detail.

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Speaker 16: But it okay, Yeah, so they you know, told me

1882
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 16: about how everything was still controlled, and that's how I felt.

1883
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Speaker 12: That everything was controlled, you know, information.

1884
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Speaker 16: About COVID, and then how we could live, what we

1885
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Speaker 16: could do, you know.

1886
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Speaker 12: We had to wear masks. Uh. It was just it

1887
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 12: was just really weird.

1888
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Speaker 1: I can't even but see that's the See. I found

1889
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of positive about COVID, and you're illustrating

1890
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Speaker 1: one of them. I think the people will be less

1891
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 1: inclined to just sort of prostrate themselves before whatever directive

1892
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 1: from some random governor says about where you can be

1893
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: and what you can't do. In spite of the fact

1894
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 1: that we have amendments of the Constitution which project protect

1895
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,720
Speaker 1: these liberties and freedoms, it's as if the Constitution was eradicated,

1896
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Speaker 1: and it did feel a lot like say, Czechoslovakia are

1897
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 1: under the under the Soviet Union, because I've read a

1898
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 1: lot of Mulan Candera and I believe that's where he

1899
01:42:58,080 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: is from, and he's written about it. One of the

1900
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Speaker 1: one of the books of the note he made or

1901
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 1: the joke I think was the name of it. He

1902
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 1: made some sort of random joke about one of the

1903
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 1: Soviet leaders and ended up getting unemployed and ostracized just

1904
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 1: pri merely uttering a joke.

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Speaker 17: Ryan, My mother got called into the local police station

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01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 17: for wearing a sweater that was bright and colorful.

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01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:27,640
Speaker 18: Oh my.

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01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 16: They accused her of, you know, advertising Western propaganda. And

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01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 16: that was really a blessing because my father had spoken

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Speaker 16: for years about you know, he's, you know, we need

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Speaker 16: to leave.

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01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 14: Things are getting worse and they're they're not going to

1913
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:51,679
Speaker 14: get better. But she didn't want to leave her family.

1914
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Speaker 16: You know, they waited two years to get an apartment,

1915
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 16: she had to get an extra part time job to

1916
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 16: you know, furnish Everything was difficult.

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Speaker 12: I mean, there was just no easy.

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Speaker 16: Path for food, for furniture, and so she's like, you know,

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Speaker 16: I don't want to leave. But that showed her that

1920
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Speaker 16: someone in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 12: There was every neighborhood like.

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01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 14: A had a watch person.

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01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 16: Yeah, so you never knew who it was. And so

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01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 16: she got called in because of this sweater and that's

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Speaker 16: the turn That was the turning point for her. You know,

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01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 16: she knew that they had to get out.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's just frightening stuff.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Is the book about their story? In other words, a

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Speaker 1: work of nonfiction about their trials? And tribulations and experiencing

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Speaker 1: life under communist Czechoslovakian then ultimately leaving.

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Speaker 16: Yes, it's it's I really wanted people to see why

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Speaker 16: you would want to leave a place like that. I mean,

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Speaker 16: you know, waiting in line for food. People would get

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Speaker 16: in line if there was a line. They didn't need

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Speaker 16: to know why, oh wow, but they got in it

1937
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Speaker 16: because it might be something good that they could sell.

1938
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Speaker 16: I mean, it was just like a weird sci fi

1939
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Speaker 16: they were living in almost but it was.

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Speaker 12: The book is a.

1941
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Speaker 16: Love story and a thriller because you know their escape.

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Speaker 16: I mean, of course, you know they did make it,

1943
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Speaker 16: but just the way it all happened, it was really

1944
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Speaker 16: God's intervention, I believe, because just the way everything I

1945
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Speaker 16: don't want to give too much away, no, no, you

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Speaker 16: know how it all came about that they were actually

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Speaker 16: able to get out.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's really.

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Speaker 16: Amazing because many people weren't.

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Speaker 1: Able to well in an oppressive regime like Czechoslovakia during

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Speaker 1: the Soviet days. You mentioned the emotional struggle of deciding

1952
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Speaker 1: to leave because in spite of how bad things are,

1953
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Speaker 1: you have all these emotional ties not just to the land,

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Speaker 1: but also to your community and your friends. But once

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Speaker 1: they made the decision to leave, was it difficult. Did

1956
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Speaker 1: they have to you know, steal out of the country

1957
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Speaker 1: under cover of darkness or be snuck out or could

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Speaker 1: they Did they work through some approval process.

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Speaker 12: No, they tried to get approval.

1960
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Speaker 16: I mean, my dad had approval you know, put in

1961
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Speaker 16: for years, but they never got it because my father,

1962
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 16: my mom's dad, was a capitalist. He had a trucking

1963
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Speaker 16: company and so he was on their like blacklist, and

1964
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Speaker 16: so my mother wasn't allowed to go to college. She

1965
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Speaker 16: was She actually wanted to be the flight attendant. That

1966
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Speaker 16: was her lifelong dream, which is so ironic because I

1967
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Speaker 16: never that wasn't in my you know, view at all,

1968
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Speaker 16: and I got it by just sheer chance.

1969
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Speaker 12: And so my I know.

1970
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Speaker 16: Where was I they they escaped because my mom got

1971
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Speaker 16: permission to take me out of the country to Yugoslavia

1972
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,479
Speaker 16: because I had a lot of ear issues and the

1973
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 16: doctor was like, oh, you need to go by the

1974
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 16: sea because they.

1975
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Speaker 12: Air is much better.

1976
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Speaker 16: And then my dad, last like a last minute thing,

1977
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 16: got a trip to Milan. He was an engineer, and

1978
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 16: so he had a business trip to Milan because one

1979
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 16: of the.

1980
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Speaker 14: Boss's sons was ill.

1981
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Speaker 16: I mean, you know, usually only the people in the

1982
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 16: party were allowed to travel, but this was some big

1983
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 16: job and my dad was given permission to go normally

1984
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 16: because he would not sign on the communist party line.

1985
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Speaker 12: He refused, and so he knew that, you know, something

1986
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Speaker 12: was going to give.

1987
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Speaker 16: I mean, they weren't going to let him just get

1988
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Speaker 16: away with that forever, and that's why he knew he had,

1989
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 16: you know, they had to get out of there, so

1990
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 16: they were They took the same train out of Prague,

1991
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Speaker 16: got to Austria Vienna, and did not go on their

1992
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Speaker 16: separate trains to their final destinations. They stayed there and

1993
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 16: my dad had had family there that they actually didn't

1994
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 16: even know if they were still alive, because they never

1995
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 16: got the letter, a letter, you know, in response to

1996
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Speaker 16: their letter. But you know, it just worked out for

1997
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Speaker 16: them that they were.

1998
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you wrote this because this may give

1999
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:20,839
Speaker 1: people something they truly need, is to pause and consider

2000
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 1: the freedoms that we enjoy in the face of a

2001
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 1: country that won't let you leave. I just can't imagine

2002
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 1: being in that environment, and I've heard a lot of

2003
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 1: stories like this over the years. Think of the people

2004
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: who tried to get out of Berlin and had to,

2005
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:34,439
Speaker 1: you know, go through the wall or under the law

2006
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 1: or or law at risk getting machine gunned down for

2007
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 1: even endeavoring to leave. This is a great story. And

2008
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: I guess you're.

2009
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Speaker 14: And communism was so great? Why would people I.

2010
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Speaker 11: Want to go right?

2011
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I was going to say earlier in

2012
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Speaker 1: your in your breadline comments like whatever happened to from

2013
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 1: each according's ability to each according to his need? How

2014
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 1: come it's so hard to get an apartment in a

2015
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:00,439
Speaker 1: communist country? This is all sums up like swam my

2016
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Speaker 1: local author guest today, Sussy, it's been a pleasure talking

2017
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Speaker 1: with the Susie Cohn. Like Swan, you can get it

2018
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Speaker 1: on my blog page fifty five krsee dot com. I

2019
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 1: encourage people to do that and then pause and reflect

2020
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Speaker 1: on what we've got here that so few countries in

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Speaker 1: the world have, Susie, thanks for doing this for everybody

2022
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Speaker 1: that'st approaching a thirty here fifty five KRCD talk station.

2023
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Speaker 1: What a happy day it is to be listening to

2024
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Speaker 1: the fifty five KRC Morning Show, wonderful guests leading up

2025
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Speaker 1: to the final guests of the morning and thank God

2026
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Speaker 1: for Bill O'Reilly. I cannot encourage my listeners enough to

2027
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 1: go to Bill O'Reilly dot com. Bill O'Reilly, welcome back

2028
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Speaker 1: to the fifty five Carcy Morning Show. My friend, you

2029
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Speaker 1: have a an unbelievably informative web page there. I want

2030
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Speaker 1: to applaud you on what you're doing.

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Speaker 11: Well.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Brian, I appreciate having me in. Nice to

2033
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 7: speak to you again. You know, it's really interesting what's

2034
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 7: happened since Trump got elected in November. The the American

2035
01:49:55,560 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 7: people were so angry with the Biden administration that even

2036
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:08,760
Speaker 7: people who don't like Donald Trump said, look, he may

2037
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:13,640
Speaker 7: not be what I think a president should be, but

2038
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Speaker 7: he's so much better than the alternative that we're going

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Speaker 7: to vote for him. But the media never accepted that. Never,

2040
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Speaker 7: and so the strategy now is no matter what Trump does,

2041
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Speaker 7: he's evil. It's not wrong, it's evil. It's changed now

2042
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Speaker 7: the media strategy. So my job is basically not cheerlead

2043
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump. We don't do that, no, but to put

2044
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Speaker 7: it to perspective things that he does so that people

2045
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 7: can make a decision based on reality. And that's why

2046
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:49,519
Speaker 7: we're successful. On Bill O'Reilly dot com has now it's

2047
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Speaker 7: almost eight years, and the thing is the most successful

2048
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Speaker 7: independent news site in the world.

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Speaker 1: And that does not shock me a bit. Bill O'Reilly,

2050
01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 1: and I've had you on many times over the years,

2051
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: and I got to ask you because I love your

2052
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 1: books and I'll encourage my listeners to read them. They

2053
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:06,519
Speaker 1: are fascinating, you can't put them down kind of reads.

2054
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: Are we going to get another one out of you

2055
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Speaker 1: soon before we dive back into politics, Bill, because I'm

2056
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:11,640
Speaker 1: looking forward to the next one.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: As you may know, Brian, Confronting the President's been on

2059
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Speaker 7: the New York Times bestseller list for twenty three consecutive weeks. Sir,

2060
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Speaker 7: still there. I mean it's a phenomenal seller, as most

2061
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Speaker 7: of my books have been. In September, we have Confronting

2062
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 7: Evil and we got the cover up on billoreilly dot com.

2063
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Speaker 7: Putin's on a cover along with the Ayatola, Halmani, Mazitun

2064
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 7: and Hitler, and inside there are about ten other evil

2065
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 7: doers that can put them all on the cover. And

2066
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Speaker 7: that book is going to be very controversial, that's for sure,

2067
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 7: because you're going to learn things about Everybody thinks they

2068
01:51:55,680 --> 01:52:00,679
Speaker 7: know these evil doers, but you really don't. Know extent

2069
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 7: of what they did, and so we're editing that now,

2070
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Speaker 7: actually going to turn it in next week to the publisher.

2071
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Speaker 1: And going back to your comments about the mainstream media,

2072
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:12,800
Speaker 1: he's evil, He's evil. This reminds me of the whole

2073
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,760
Speaker 1: campaign that Donald Trump's a Nazi, which suggests to me

2074
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:18,479
Speaker 1: that they don't understand the definition of the Nationalist Socialist Party.

2075
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 1: But ignoring their ignorance, they cling to this notion that

2076
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 1: somehow he is an evil man. But look what he

2077
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 1: is doing, and he's brilliant in his strategy. Beginning with

2078
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:31,840
Speaker 1: deporting illegal immigrants, not all of them, not going in

2079
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 1: and grabbing moms who've been here for ten years. They're

2080
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 1: going after criminals, child rapists, for example. And the left

2081
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: and the Democrats that are out protesting this are trying

2082
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:47,519
Speaker 1: to defend the indefensible. I really can't imagine any human

2083
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 1: being of any political stripe wanting a child molester in

2084
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,599
Speaker 1: their neighborhood. If that person came here illegally and could

2085
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:55,760
Speaker 1: be easily ejected from our country.

2086
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Speaker 7: Here's the game. Most Americans who follow the news, and

2087
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:06,560
Speaker 7: that would be about half of us, so half the population,

2088
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 7: they don't know what the deuce is going on, and

2089
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 7: that's their choice. I mean, they just are lazy or disinterested,

2090
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:17,600
Speaker 7: whatever it may be. But the people who follow the

2091
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:24,760
Speaker 7: cycle understand that the Trump administration wants immigration law enforced,

2092
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:29,560
Speaker 7: and the way to do that is to present to

2093
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:33,559
Speaker 7: the public the danger of not enforcing it. And just

2094
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 7: as you just said, you have fourteen million people allowed

2095
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Speaker 7: in by Biden, well, ten percent of those people are

2096
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 7: going to be heinous criminals. That's ten percent of every

2097
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Speaker 7: group is evil. So that's one million, four hundred thousand,

2098
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:54,680
Speaker 7: all right, that are running around causing trouble. And the

2099
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:58,600
Speaker 7: problem is that when ice raids and when they go

2100
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Speaker 7: in they're there are undocumented migrants who do not have

2101
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:06,719
Speaker 7: a criminal record that are swept up in the raid.

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Speaker 7: So for example, they are living with the bank robber,

2103
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Speaker 7: they are living with the drug dealer. A lot of

2104
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Speaker 7: women are in this category and they have a child.

2105
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 7: Well that woman and child, they're swept up. They're taken

2106
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:27,960
Speaker 7: because they're in the residence with the dope dealer. The

2107
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Speaker 7: press cleaves that off and said, oh, look at this,

2108
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Speaker 7: this woman never did anything, and they're Burtner. How dishonest

2109
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Speaker 7: is that they don't explain that the woman is a

2110
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Speaker 7: relationship with the drug dealer. So what are you supposed

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Speaker 7: to do? And I could give you a hundred examples

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Speaker 7: of that kind of press dishonesty and I do on

2113
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Speaker 7: the No Spin News every day. Means what we do

2114
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Speaker 7: because we have to protect Americans from falsehoods.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the other thing component, and I talk about

2116
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:05,280
Speaker 1: low hanging fruit, defending the indefensible, is what the left

2117
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Speaker 1: is trying to do. When you look at, for example,

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Speaker 1: some of the programs that were revealed by the Doge

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Speaker 1: effort over US eight, you know, tens of millions, hundreds

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Speaker 1: of millions of dollars of the American taxpayers money going

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Speaker 1: to programs that on their face are wholly indefensible. And

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Speaker 1: yet and the second component of that is nobody knows

2123
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 1: if the money actually went to any given program to

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Speaker 1: accomplish the goal that was stated in the grant. They

2125
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 1: don't follow the reality. And it seems to me just

2126
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Speaker 1: a bunch of bribes, kickbacks, and payoffs for a bunch

2127
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Speaker 1: of organizations, either here within the country or out in

2128
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:41,080
Speaker 1: the world. They're just soaking up the American taxpayers dollars.

2129
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Speaker 7: It's always been that way whenever American tax money leaves

2130
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:49,680
Speaker 7: the United States and goes to a foreign country, we

2131
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 7: don't have any authority over it. So we don't have

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Speaker 7: investigators in Gaza, or in Israel or in Ukraine to

2133
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:05,280
Speaker 7: make sure that the money is spent the way it's designated.

2134
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Speaker 7: That it's never existing. So Trump, that drives him nuts.

2135
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Speaker 7: That drives him absolutely crazy. And what he did was

2136
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Speaker 7: he said, look to Musk you find out the most

2137
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Speaker 7: extreme examples, and I'll present it to the American people

2138
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Speaker 7: and we'll try to clean this thing up to some extent.

2139
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Speaker 7: They'll never be able to clean it up entirely, but

2140
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Speaker 7: we'll try to get people outraged about the waste of

2141
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Speaker 7: taxpayer's dollars. That's what they're doing now. The fact that

2142
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Speaker 7: the Democrats are resisting, that works the Trump's advantage and

2143
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:44,440
Speaker 7: the Republican Party's advantage, because most Americans they go, well,

2144
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 7: why aren't you supporting programs that are better? Why you

2145
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,920
Speaker 7: want millions of dollars to go to a sesame street

2146
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:58,400
Speaker 7: show in Iraq? That there's no good for anybody. If

2147
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Speaker 7: they want a sesame streets let them put it on. Yeah,

2148
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Speaker 7: why do we have to put its pay for it?

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Speaker 16: All?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 7: So the Democratic Party at this point is fracturing, and

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Speaker 7: I don't know if they're going to come back anytime

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Speaker 7: soon because there's no leader. They don't have a leader,

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Speaker 7: and without a leader, it's all over the place. So

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Speaker 7: they're actually losing ground, even in the face of Trump

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Speaker 7: being so controversial.

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Speaker 1: Well, and one of the things most identified he was

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Speaker 1: looking at social Security and all of the folks over

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Speaker 1: the age of one hundred who are still at least

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Speaker 1: on the books eligible and this remains to be seen

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Speaker 1: whether checks are still going out to them, but everyone is,

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Speaker 1: it seems, counting on Social Security again, regardless of political stripe.

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Speaker 1: When you see that, if you just are a casual

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Speaker 1: political observer, you're like, wait a second, what, there's people

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Speaker 1: on the Social Security roles that are one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty years old. How can that be? The things underwater?

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Speaker 1: The CBO has been warning about it for decades. Nobody

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Speaker 1: lives to try to salvage the system that so many

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Speaker 1: people think that that's what they're going to have to

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Speaker 1: rely on in retirement. That angers a lot of people, sure.

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Speaker 7: And it should, but it's unrealistic to think that in

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Speaker 7: a nation of three hundred and fifty million people that

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Speaker 7: the federal government is going to be able to monitor

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Speaker 7: every check entitlement check that goes out. They're never going

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Speaker 7: to be able to do that. But you want to

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Speaker 7: bring some kind of discipline into these agencies. And under

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Speaker 7: Biden there was zero accountability. It got way out of control.

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Speaker 7: The COVID stuff was insane, absolutely, Okay. Trump is trying

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Speaker 7: to bring in a new paradigm for these agencies where

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Speaker 7: they have to apply some kind of discipline. They have

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Speaker 7: to get rid of the IVYA logues, they have to

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Speaker 7: hire people who are going to watch the dough. Now

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Speaker 7: is he going to succeed? Partially because it should. The

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Speaker 7: problem is just to mammot. But he's doing the right thing.

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Speaker 7: But again, the press is so hateful toward him. They're

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Speaker 7: never going to say that, they're never going to report

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Speaker 7: on him fairly. And therefore many millions of Americans think

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Speaker 7: the guys the devil because they don't really pay attention

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Speaker 7: to what's actually happening.

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Speaker 1: Well, Elon Musk said it the other day, and I

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Speaker 1: have to paraphrase because I can't quote the man, but

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Speaker 1: he warned of what is quite literally the existential threat

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Speaker 1: posed by our national debt and deficit, and that we

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Speaker 1: are going to fall apart, literally, and we will fall

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Speaker 1: apart along with the rest of the world, who seems

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Speaker 1: to rely on the American taxpayers to stay afloat. Somebody said,

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Speaker 1: you know, oh well, yeah, this whole idea about you. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll just move to New Zealand if the Fiat currency collapsed.

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Speaker 1: He said, no, that's not going to be possible because

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Speaker 1: New Zealand will go down the toilet too.

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Speaker 7: Sure, And you can't tax the people anymore, Brian, you can't.

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Speaker 7: They're just up to their eyebrows in paying to local,

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Speaker 7: state and federal officials. I mean, New York, where I live,

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Speaker 7: is the highest tax state in the Union. We are

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Speaker 7: losing hundreds of thousands of people a year moving out

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Speaker 7: of here, and replacing those people are foreign nationals who

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Speaker 7: are on welfare. Okay, so the people who are earning

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Speaker 7: a decent buck they're leaving replaced by people who need

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Speaker 7: government assistance. Now I'm generalizing, but that's the accurate picture.

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Speaker 7: So the Democratic Party again doesn't seem to understand that

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Speaker 7: you cannot tax people any more than you are now.

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Speaker 7: And then Bernie Sanders and these socialist all the brillionaires.

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Speaker 7: That's a bunch of garbage. There are very few of

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Speaker 7: those people. The bulk of the tax receipts are working class,

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Speaker 7: blue collar folks who cannot pay anymore. So you've got

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Speaker 7: to cut the waste and the massive spending, which is

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Speaker 7: what Musk has been tasked to.

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Speaker 1: Do well and so far doing an excellent job of

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Speaker 1: elevating this type of thing to the average americans attention

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Speaker 1: and the average Americans seeing some positive in all this

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Speaker 1: based upon the points you've made today here on the

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Speaker 1: Morning Show, and we can only hope that the energy

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Speaker 1: and the effort behind it continues to neure to our advantage.

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Speaker 1: Because we go back the other direction, we're stuck. We're screwed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you may as well just pull the flag

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Speaker 1: down and go hide in a hole or something. Bill O'Reilly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, the Trump administration has an opportunity. It needs

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Speaker 7: to be more disciplined. I don't think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 7: That's not how the president rolls, as a cliche goes,

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Speaker 7: I would do it a little bit differently in style form.

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Speaker 7: But what they're trying to do is a positive for

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Speaker 7: the country. Unfortunately, many people in the country don't understand

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Speaker 7: that now, but you know we all do what we do, Brian.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you do a good show every morning and

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Speaker 7: in Cincinnati and tell the folks what you think. I

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Speaker 7: do the same thing on Bill O'Reilly dot com, and

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Speaker 7: I write the books and I get the word out

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Speaker 7: and then folks believe what they want to believe. But

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Speaker 7: we have an opportunity here in the next forty seven months.

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Speaker 7: That's what Trump has, and if he does well, then

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Speaker 7: Vance will be the next president because I don't think

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Speaker 7: the Democratic Party is going to be able to recover

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Speaker 7: in uh, you know, the forty seven months that Trump

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Speaker 7: has well.

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Speaker 1: They're going to have to find somebody other than Gavin Newsome,

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Speaker 1: the guy no backbench finished, thankfully, no backbench in the

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party. Bill O'Reilly dot com book market, see what's

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Speaker 1: there every single day. Become a member, you get a

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Speaker 1: lot more benefits being a member of Bill O'Reilly dot com.

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Speaker 1: Of Bill I'm already looking forward to September when your

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Speaker 1: new book comes out, so you'll be back on the

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Speaker 1: morning show and we will talk about it after I

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Speaker 1: read it, because I always read your books before we talk.

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Speaker 1: I know that rule.

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Speaker 7: I appreciate that, Brian, stay strong, Thanks.

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Speaker 1: For having me my pleasure anytime, sir, have a wonderful weekend.

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Speaker 1: It's coming up at eight forty four fifty five KRC

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Speaker 1: the talk station. Just I have eight thirty fifty five

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Speaker 1: KRCD talk station. Very happy Monday to you. Made you

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Speaker 1: an extra special happy because the return of Mandy Gunnas Sakara,

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Speaker 1: author of Y'all Fired, a Southern Belist guide. You're restoring

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Speaker 1: federalism and draining the swamp. We had he around in

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Speaker 1: October when the book first came out. She's spent at

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Speaker 1: the center of the US energy and environmental policy for

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Speaker 1: a full decade. From the Senate cloak room of the

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Speaker 1: Oval Office of veteran environmental attorney, energy strategist, and communicator,

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Speaker 1: served during President Trump's first term as chief of staff

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Speaker 1: at the US Environmental Protection Agency. Currently a visiting fellowt

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Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation, and welcome back. It is a real

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you back on the show. Mandy.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Brian.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can I just sort of sum up what

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Speaker 1: I think your perception is that this DOGE Department is

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Speaker 1: like the answer to your dreams?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I think he summed it up, Well, it really

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Speaker 19: is and it's man, it's such a beautiful thing to

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Speaker 19: see because having been on the inside, even in my

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Speaker 19: position as chief of staff and the access to the

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Speaker 19: information that I had, it was hard to paint the

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Speaker 19: whole picture. You could pinpoint specific types of waste, fraud

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Speaker 19: or abuse or redundancies and efficiencies. You could pinpoint those

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Speaker 19: sorts of things. But it really is a beautiful thing

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Speaker 19: where you have someone like Elon and his really talented

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Speaker 19: team of software engineers going and looking at the data

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Speaker 19: and then painting a big picture in ways that all

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Speaker 19: of us can understand and all of us can see

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Speaker 19: is an absolute misuse of taxpayer resources. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 19: an answer to a lot of prayers.

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Speaker 1: Actually, well, sunlight, it's a great disinfect and lords were

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Speaker 1: getting a lot of it. And one of the problems

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Speaker 1: that I'm sure you probably during your period of time

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Speaker 1: in the administration, we're as frustrated as anybody else the

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Speaker 1: obstructionism that comes when people that are responsible for the

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Speaker 1: oversight of our dollars, subcommittees, committees, the cong the Congress women,

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Speaker 1: the senators when they're told basically go to hell when

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Speaker 1: they ask for information.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, really, I know, I know, it's it's really frustrating,

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Speaker 19: and it's you know, that is part of their responsibility.

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Speaker 19: Their responsibility is to report back to the public how

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Speaker 19: they're using these funds and what it's actually doing. But

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Speaker 19: it's not just the members of Congress. I mean, it's

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Speaker 19: also these bureaucrats, these entrenched deep state bureaucrats. And here's

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Speaker 19: the truth. There is a there is a crisis of

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Speaker 19: expertise on Capitol Hill. Frankly, you have a lot of

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Speaker 19: people there that don't really know what they're doing. So

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Speaker 19: they're wholly dependent on deep state bureaucrats who've been working

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Speaker 19: at their job for thirty years to give them information

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Speaker 19: they don't otherwise know how to get. So that's how

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Speaker 19: the deep state works. They don't give them all the information.

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Speaker 19: Maybe they give them a little drip drip here. But

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Speaker 19: it's been many decades of this type of imbalance between

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Speaker 19: an agency funded to eight at to the tune of

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Speaker 19: eight billionion dollars and as EP is an example, with

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Speaker 19: that oversight staff of less than two million dollars trying

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Speaker 19: to perform oversight and so you just have this massive

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Speaker 19: mismatch and the resulting consequences is just decades of layers

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Speaker 19: of complexity and us not knowing how our resources are

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Speaker 19: spent well.

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Speaker 1: And it's also seemed to be very obviously a just

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Speaker 1: simple lack of care of how money is spent. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Musk over the weekend was talking about, you know, over

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Speaker 1: looking at through the the Department of Treasury, right Treasury Department,

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Speaker 1: and he says, you know, I was told that there

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Speaker 1: are currently over one hundred billion dollars a year of

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Speaker 1: in timement payments individual with no social Security number, even

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Speaker 1: a temporary ID number. And see, you know, he pulls

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Speaker 1: the room and Treasury he says, what percentage of that

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Speaker 1: is unequivocal obvious fraud? And the consensus in the room

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Speaker 1: was at least fifty billion dollars of it. That's something

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Speaker 1: that's as simple to fix. Look, no social Security number,

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Speaker 1: no ID, you don't get any money. How hard is that?

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Speaker 16: It shouldn't be difficult at all.

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Speaker 19: But that's what these agencies they've just become all about,

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Speaker 19: constantly asking for more money. There is no incentive for

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Speaker 19: the everyday bureaucrat to find ways to be incentive, to

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Speaker 19: find ways to cut costs and to be truthful about

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Speaker 19: the expenditure of those costs. And there's this mentality, this

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Speaker 19: culture in DC that people are almost entitled to these

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Speaker 19: taxpayer resources, and when you come in and you ask questions,

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Speaker 19: they like to pretend like they're these global do gooders

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Speaker 19: and they're saying, oh, but this poor person is going

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Speaker 19: to lose access to these resources that they really need. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 19: that person isn't even getting the funds. To the extent

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Speaker 19: they're getting any it's barely enough to actually live. But

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Speaker 19: you know what's coming off the top. A fair amount

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Speaker 19: is coming off the top and going to nonprofits that

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Speaker 19: either pad them personally or their relatives or just grow

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Speaker 19: the power of the left, which is ultimately what they want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, non governmental organizations NGOs, you know, and quite the world.

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Speaker 1: We're five oh one C three, we're not for profit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're making a salary of four hundred, five hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year as president or CEO the five

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Speaker 1: oh one C three. I mean, that's what's happening.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's it's so discussing so

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Speaker 19: many of them is going to the spouses of people. Yeah,

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Speaker 19: you know, just look at the net worth of someone

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Speaker 19: like Samantha Power. She was the administrator that had essentially

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Speaker 19: of USAID and her net worth grew five times. I

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Speaker 19: think that's right. It's around that it's a significant number.

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Speaker 19: Grew five times. Her salary has been the same. Salaries

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Speaker 19: for bureaucrats are typically capped out around one hundred and

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Speaker 19: eighty thousand dollars. Yeah, somehow she has a mass a

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Speaker 19: multi million dollar fortune, and it just leaves you scratching

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Speaker 19: your head, Huh where did that money come from? And

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Speaker 19: it's most likely because it was funneled to nonprofits of

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Speaker 19: what she or her family was sitting on the board

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Speaker 19: and they get to reap the benefits of millions of

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Speaker 19: dollars of taxpayer funds going into their back pocket, and

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Speaker 19: they cover it up by saying, well, we're helping the

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Speaker 19: poor in the world, We're giving people in Africa access

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Speaker 19: to water and food. But really they are just patting

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Speaker 19: their own personal coffers.

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Speaker 1: Well, and as I read through the list of these

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Speaker 1: things that the DOGE has revealed and the comments from

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Speaker 1: the senators that you know, I had no idea that

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Speaker 1: this money was being spent this way, and I said,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, aren't you responsible for the power of

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Speaker 1: the purse. I mean, you go ahead and you allocate

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Speaker 1: forty million dollars to USA, but then you stop. Somebody

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Speaker 1: had to approve the project. But ultimately, you know, twenty

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Speaker 1: million dollars goes to a sesame street show in Iraq,

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Speaker 1: And then how much of that twenty million dollars really

2384
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Speaker 1: went to the Sesame street show in a rock production.

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Speaker 1: It didn't land in some corrupt officials pocket. They don't

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Speaker 1: follow the trail of the money, and it just stops

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Speaker 1: once the aid's been allocated to the general collective us

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Speaker 1: AID fund.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, that's right, and it's there's no accountability and no oversight.

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Speaker 19: And that's why you see the people who are screaming

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02:09:57,720 --> 02:10:00,200
Speaker 19: the most are the ones who have the most to

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02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:04,360
Speaker 19: lose in terms of this personal racket or money laundering scheme,

2393
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Speaker 19: if you will, that.

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Speaker 8: That is what it is.

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Speaker 19: These people are using their positions of trust and consequence

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Speaker 19: to siphon money off to the side to their benefit.

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Speaker 19: And they use stories of people that most people would

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02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:20,360
Speaker 19: say like, yeah, they could use some help, or of

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02:10:20,440 --> 02:10:23,280
Speaker 19: course we would want to take care of these vulnerable populations.

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Speaker 19: They use that as a cover for their own sick game,

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02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:29,640
Speaker 19: and those are the people who are sitting outside of

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02:10:29,800 --> 02:10:32,880
Speaker 19: USAID or some of these other areas that are throwing

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Speaker 19: up their hands. And the Democrat members of Congress are

2404
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:39,400
Speaker 19: at the front of the line because they are recipients

2405
02:10:39,560 --> 02:10:45,040
Speaker 19: of campaign donations from these people who are putting taxpayer resources.

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Speaker 8: In their own pocket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the to me, that is the most

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02:10:48,200 --> 02:10:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't I want to call it comical that they're

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02:10:51,560 --> 02:10:54,080
Speaker 1: screaming at the top of their lungs over these funds

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02:10:54,160 --> 02:10:58,720
Speaker 1: being identified, these outlandish, outrageous programs that no American could

2411
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:02,120
Speaker 1: find straight faced legitimate. They're not saying that the money

2412
02:11:02,240 --> 02:11:06,200
Speaker 1: didn't go to these stupid programs like shrimp running on treadmills.

2413
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:10,560
Speaker 1: They're just screaming about the general focus on USA and

2414
02:11:10,640 --> 02:11:13,200
Speaker 1: the fraud, waste and abuse and defending it for some reason.

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02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:16,640
Speaker 1: Just there's there's no denial here, There's no that didn't happen.

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02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:19,440
Speaker 1: That's a lie. Elon Musk is making that up.

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Speaker 19: It's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's just frustrating to

2418
02:11:27,080 --> 02:11:29,840
Speaker 19: see and I will say though, it's it's frustrating to

2419
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:32,160
Speaker 19: see some of the reaction, but you know, those people

2420
02:11:32,160 --> 02:11:34,360
Speaker 19: are in the minority now and that is a really

2421
02:11:34,440 --> 02:11:37,720
Speaker 19: wonderful feeling and the cats out of the bag. I mean, again,

2422
02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:40,400
Speaker 19: those of us who are on the inside. Some of

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02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:42,560
Speaker 19: it was the fact that we didn't really understand the

2424
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:45,760
Speaker 19: links the deep State would go to cover their tracks,

2425
02:11:46,080 --> 02:11:48,800
Speaker 19: and they had decades to figure out ways to cover

2426
02:11:48,920 --> 02:11:50,840
Speaker 19: up their tracks, and they're very, very good at it.

2427
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:53,760
Speaker 19: So we were all in there. You know, you're drinking

2428
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:56,880
Speaker 19: from a fire hose is the words people often used

2429
02:11:56,880 --> 02:11:59,200
Speaker 19: to describe what it's like to go into these positions,

2430
02:11:59,640 --> 02:12:02,280
Speaker 19: and a lot of us went in not knowing that

2431
02:12:02,520 --> 02:12:05,240
Speaker 19: the tricks that the deep State would use not just

2432
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:08,600
Speaker 19: to confuse, but to try to undermine and to hide

2433
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:10,280
Speaker 19: what they were actually doing.

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Speaker 16: All that's over.

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Speaker 19: So it really is great to see Elon Musk his team,

2436
02:12:14,280 --> 02:12:18,200
Speaker 19: Department of Government Efficiency, and most importantly, the American people

2437
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:21,200
Speaker 19: see this and they're behind the President and his work

2438
02:12:21,200 --> 02:12:22,240
Speaker 19: one hundred and ten percent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it as well as I do. Yeah, Mandy,

2440
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:29,040
Speaker 1: that they've only scratched the surface. I mean, Elon Musk

2441
02:12:29,080 --> 02:12:32,080
Speaker 1: has identified some real low hanging fruit just in one

2442
02:12:32,240 --> 02:12:34,800
Speaker 1: USA department I mentioned the Treasury Department. He's worked there

2443
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:37,120
Speaker 1: as long as he can get his access back centers

2444
02:12:37,120 --> 02:12:42,280
Speaker 1: for Medicare and Medicaid Service, National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, Department

2445
02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:46,040
Speaker 1: of Energy, and Lord almighty, nobody wants me that wants

2446
02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:49,040
Speaker 1: the military spending to be audited more than me. They

2447
02:12:49,080 --> 02:12:51,520
Speaker 1: can't even pass ano audit seven or eight times in

2448
02:12:51,640 --> 02:12:55,400
Speaker 1: a row. Mandy, I know, and I'm sure.

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Speaker 19: I'm sure you've seen. There was an interview not too

2450
02:12:57,640 --> 02:13:03,200
Speaker 19: long ago of one of the uh, one of the heads,

2451
02:13:03,600 --> 02:13:05,960
Speaker 19: one of the people who was responsible for these types

2452
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:09,560
Speaker 19: of audits, and you know, she was just incredulous that

2453
02:13:09,640 --> 02:13:12,640
Speaker 19: people would wouldn't trust them. Yeah, we felled audits, but

2454
02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:15,640
Speaker 19: you don't understand what an audit is, is essentially her response,

2455
02:13:15,680 --> 02:13:18,240
Speaker 19: and it doesn't really matter. Like again, this goes through

2456
02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:21,200
Speaker 19: there's this culture of people in DC that are so

2457
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:25,640
Speaker 19: arrogant and and so flippant about their very real responsibility.

2458
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:28,840
Speaker 19: And when people come around asking basic questions that they

2459
02:13:28,920 --> 02:13:32,760
Speaker 19: cannot answer, uh, they just they try to belittle you

2460
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:35,760
Speaker 19: to say that, well, you don't really understand it. If

2461
02:13:35,800 --> 02:13:37,680
Speaker 19: you were, if you were like me, you would understand.

2462
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:41,160
Speaker 19: So yeah, look, Elon Musk is scratching the surface. This

2463
02:13:41,400 --> 02:13:46,760
Speaker 19: type of misuse and and miss expenditure of funds. It

2464
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:50,080
Speaker 19: permeates every single agency. So there's there's a lot more

2465
02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:51,680
Speaker 19: to come, and I'm excited to see it, for it

2466
02:13:51,720 --> 02:13:52,760
Speaker 19: to finally be exposed.

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Speaker 1: A lot more to come and maybe even I'll keep

2468
02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:58,240
Speaker 1: my fingers crossed some criminal investigations into where this money

2469
02:13:58,280 --> 02:14:01,960
Speaker 1: has landed many goods. Car author of Y'all Fired, A

2470
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:05,240
Speaker 1: Southern Bell's Guide Restoring Federalism and Draining the Swamp. She

2471
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Speaker 1: had an advance on Doge. This is what the book's about.

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02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,400
Speaker 1: And I'm sure, I said, I know she's seeing it

2473
02:14:10,640 --> 02:14:13,920
Speaker 1: just come all to fruition with it being ferreted out, Mandy.

2474
02:14:13,960 --> 02:14:15,680
Speaker 1: I got your book up on my blog page fifty

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02:14:15,680 --> 02:14:17,440
Speaker 1: five caresee dot com so people can get a copy

2476
02:14:17,480 --> 02:14:19,160
Speaker 1: of it to the extent they haven't done it already,

2477
02:14:19,480 --> 02:14:21,440
Speaker 1: and all encourage them to do so. It's been great

2478
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Speaker 1: here talking with you. Keep up the great work and

2479
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Speaker 1: looking forward to another volume, maybe something like along the

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Speaker 1: aftermath lines.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, what it's like after y'all fired. Yeah, well we'll

2482
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:35,560
Speaker 19: come up with a guitar. But thank you, thanks for

2483
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:36,880
Speaker 19: having me and thanks for the support.

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Speaker 1: Pleasure, Mandy. It's been a real treat. Born in a

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Speaker 1: cotton plantation in Heywood County, Tennessee's parents were sharecroppers, but

2486
02:14:43,240 --> 02:14:45,800
Speaker 1: through hard work and a firm belief in Jesus, his

2487
02:14:45,960 --> 02:14:48,480
Speaker 1: parents pulled him into seven siblings out of poverty. His

2488
02:14:48,640 --> 02:14:52,080
Speaker 1: family started the Ellison Family Gospel Singing Group, where my

2489
02:14:52,200 --> 02:14:54,720
Speaker 1: guests sang in played multiple musical instruments. As a child

2490
02:14:54,760 --> 02:14:57,320
Speaker 1: and young adult, worked for five years as a correctional

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Speaker 1: officer at the Media Maximum Kirkling Correctional Institute and me

2492
02:15:00,160 --> 02:15:02,800
Speaker 1: a South Carolina and then it went onto the nonprofit

2493
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:05,360
Speaker 1: arena and received the Republican Party nomination for the South

2494
02:15:05,440 --> 02:15:08,760
Speaker 1: Carolina six Congressional district in two thousand and He is

2495
02:15:08,800 --> 02:15:10,640
Speaker 1: an author. You may have read the book The Iron

2496
02:15:10,840 --> 02:15:13,640
Speaker 1: Triangle Inside the Liberal Democrat plan to use race to

2497
02:15:13,680 --> 02:15:16,840
Speaker 1: divide Christians in America in their quest for power and

2498
02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:19,760
Speaker 1: how we can defeat them, a number one best seller.

2499
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Speaker 1: And I could go on and on and on about

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Speaker 1: his resume. Vince Everett Ellison, Welcome to the fifty five

2501
02:15:25,640 --> 02:15:28,400
Speaker 1: KS Morning Show to talk about your new book, Crime Incorporated.

2502
02:15:28,440 --> 02:15:32,720
Speaker 1: How Democrats employ mafia and gangster tactics to gain and

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02:15:32,760 --> 02:15:34,640
Speaker 1: hold power. It's a pleasure having you on the program.

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Speaker 18: Sir oh Man, thank you so very much for having me.

2505
02:15:39,120 --> 02:15:41,320
Speaker 18: And as you said, I was one on a cotton plantation,

2506
02:15:41,440 --> 02:15:44,160
Speaker 18: Hey County, Tennessee. A lot of people don't know this

2507
02:15:44,240 --> 02:15:46,960
Speaker 18: as a more violent fashion of the kuklu Klan, who

2508
02:15:47,080 --> 02:15:49,960
Speaker 18: was at that time that the military wing of the

2509
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:53,640
Speaker 18: Democrat Party was in Tennessee and the Grand Wizard of

2510
02:15:53,640 --> 02:15:57,480
Speaker 18: the ku kluk Klan lived in Brownsville. So these Democrats

2511
02:15:57,520 --> 02:15:59,040
Speaker 18: that have been chasing me and trying to kill me

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02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:02,480
Speaker 18: my whole life, they are a criminal organization. They are

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02:16:02,520 --> 02:16:05,360
Speaker 18: an evil organization and they always have been that. And

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02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:07,480
Speaker 18: I've written my book Climbing to explain it to the

2515
02:16:07,560 --> 02:16:10,040
Speaker 18: American people. So I want all your listeners to go

2516
02:16:10,120 --> 02:16:12,440
Speaker 18: to Vince e. Ellison dot com or they got to

2517
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:14,600
Speaker 18: Ellison dot com and you can and you can get

2518
02:16:14,600 --> 02:16:16,800
Speaker 18: the book and you can look at the trailer my

2519
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:17,560
Speaker 18: great documentary.

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Speaker 1: Also, they'll be happy to do that. And I've made

2521
02:16:20,080 --> 02:16:22,360
Speaker 1: it even easier for Evince. We put your link on

2522
02:16:22,440 --> 02:16:24,440
Speaker 1: my blog page as well, fifty five cars dot com.

2523
02:16:24,520 --> 02:16:26,160
Speaker 1: My listeners need to go there to get copies of

2524
02:16:26,200 --> 02:16:29,800
Speaker 1: books as well as the podcasts of interviews. This I

2525
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:32,680
Speaker 1: mean the words that describe your book and what you

2526
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:36,920
Speaker 1: reveal in it, murder, sex, trafficking, defunding the police, disarming

2527
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:40,440
Speaker 1: lawbid and citizens. This is all organized by the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 1: And what frustrates me to no end, Vince Everett Ellison,

2529
02:16:45,000 --> 02:16:48,160
Speaker 1: is that they accuse the Republicans of doing everything that

2530
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:51,080
Speaker 1: they're guilty of doing. They call Republicans fascist when they're

2531
02:16:51,120 --> 02:16:53,440
Speaker 1: the ones that want to dictate every determined condition of

2532
02:16:53,520 --> 02:16:56,920
Speaker 1: our lives, taking away our freedoms and liberties. How is

2533
02:16:56,959 --> 02:16:59,920
Speaker 1: it that they're so able to get away with flip

2534
02:17:00,320 --> 02:17:03,720
Speaker 1: the narrative on Republicans and accusing them of the very

2535
02:17:03,800 --> 02:17:04,400
Speaker 1: things that they do.

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Speaker 18: Well, Because one of the chapters in my book is

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02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:13,440
Speaker 18: I'm exploiting a patsy every great criminal, Every great criminal

2538
02:17:13,560 --> 02:17:16,160
Speaker 18: always has it patsy before you even commits the crime.

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02:17:16,760 --> 02:17:19,640
Speaker 18: And that's what the General Fact Party does. Even during

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02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:22,320
Speaker 18: the Civil War. Then they said that the patsy was

2541
02:17:22,680 --> 02:17:24,760
Speaker 18: the Union Army. They told the slaves that the Union

2542
02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:27,640
Speaker 18: Union army is your inn, not us. So now what

2543
02:17:27,800 --> 02:17:30,080
Speaker 18: they do every crime, they say, we're going to put

2544
02:17:30,120 --> 02:17:32,560
Speaker 18: it on the Republican Party. And because the Republican Party

2545
02:17:32,600 --> 02:17:35,680
Speaker 18: does not exist, anywhere inside of the black community. Of course,

2546
02:17:36,360 --> 02:17:39,080
Speaker 18: black people believe it that you have the iron traang

2547
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:41,120
Speaker 18: on my first book, I told you you talked about it.

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02:17:41,360 --> 02:17:44,640
Speaker 18: The black preacher, most black preachers, most black civil rights workers,

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Speaker 18: and most black politicians.

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02:17:46,320 --> 02:17:46,720
Speaker 7: They work.

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02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:50,520
Speaker 18: They are conduits between rich white liberals and the black community.

2552
02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:53,440
Speaker 18: And their job is to make sure that Black people

2553
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:56,119
Speaker 18: vote for these rich white liberals by hooker, by crook.

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02:17:56,440 --> 02:18:01,920
Speaker 18: They bribe them, sold to the polls, ballot harvesting, street money, intimidation,

2555
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:04,320
Speaker 18: you name it, they do it, and they're good at it.

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Speaker 18: And as you and I know, as an all ball

2557
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:11,080
Speaker 18: billion terms, this is the ninety percent of any gear

2558
02:18:11,320 --> 02:18:13,879
Speaker 18: is just showing up. Democrats show up in the Black community.

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02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:16,480
Speaker 18: Republicans do not. They hit a Democrat message, they don't

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02:18:16,480 --> 02:18:18,320
Speaker 18: hear a Republican message, and there you have it. It's

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02:18:18,400 --> 02:18:20,600
Speaker 18: just that stumple. So they have a patsy, and the

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02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:23,920
Speaker 18: patsy is the GOP, and the GOP is a willing, ignorant,

2563
02:18:23,959 --> 02:18:27,200
Speaker 18: stupid patsy that allowed themselves to have all these sins

2564
02:18:27,400 --> 02:18:29,800
Speaker 18: come completely thrown at them and they just sit back

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Speaker 18: and grand and take it.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 1: Can I get your reaction, sir, when a man like

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02:18:35,320 --> 02:18:38,120
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, here's one of those rich white liberal guys,

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02:18:38,520 --> 02:18:41,480
Speaker 1: has the audacity to go on and say out loud

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Speaker 1: that if you don't vote Democrat, you're not black. I'm

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Speaker 1: offended by I'm a white guy, man, I'm offended by that.

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Speaker 1: I'm also offended by Democrats who ground saying that black

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02:18:51,560 --> 02:18:54,920
Speaker 1: people are incapable of getting a photo ID or incapable

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Speaker 1: of voting on election day. This is an absolute, outright

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02:18:57,879 --> 02:19:01,640
Speaker 1: insult to an entire c some people, My friend.

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Speaker 6: Well, this is well.

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Speaker 18: I have a chapter in my book about this too,

2578
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:10,120
Speaker 18: the how Lamofia and how the organized crime demoralize their customers.

2579
02:19:10,400 --> 02:19:15,560
Speaker 18: This is how they get them poorn, loan, shocking, drugs, gambling.

2580
02:19:15,959 --> 02:19:18,680
Speaker 18: These people are demoralized, and they demorlize. They beat them,

2581
02:19:18,720 --> 02:19:20,760
Speaker 18: they slap them around, they custom out, They treat them

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02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:23,160
Speaker 18: like dogs. The Democratic Party has done the same things

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02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:25,840
Speaker 18: as the black community. When you go into the inner

2584
02:19:25,879 --> 02:19:29,560
Speaker 18: city of America, you see a demoralized group of people.

2585
02:19:29,680 --> 02:19:32,000
Speaker 18: The Communists keep that people under control of the same way.

2586
02:19:32,200 --> 02:19:34,720
Speaker 18: They put them in concentration camps, give them bad education,

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Speaker 18: tell them that nothing, tell them that they are not

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02:19:37,879 --> 02:19:40,080
Speaker 18: children of God. Tell them that they belong to the state.

2589
02:19:40,480 --> 02:19:43,520
Speaker 18: They've done that to the black community. And so when

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02:19:43,560 --> 02:19:46,560
Speaker 18: you demorlize the person, you can bring their information. You

2591
02:19:46,640 --> 02:19:49,680
Speaker 18: can show them everything. You can show it a demoralized

2592
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:52,000
Speaker 18: drug addict that the crack is killing it and he

2593
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:55,360
Speaker 18: won't leave it. You can show it demralized alcoholic that

2594
02:19:55,560 --> 02:19:57,640
Speaker 18: the alcohol is killing him and he'll still drinking. You

2595
02:19:57,680 --> 02:19:59,879
Speaker 18: can take a the demorralized woman whose husband is beating her,

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02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:02,160
Speaker 18: a boyfriend is beating her almost to death every day

2597
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Speaker 18: and say you must leave them, and she will not go. C. S.

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Speaker 18: Lewis said, hell is a choice, and people choose it

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Speaker 18: every day. Good but the good news is you can

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Speaker 18: unchoose it. Get crime int It'll tell you all about it.

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02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:16,840
Speaker 18: It talks about also how the day's Democrat Party, it's

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Speaker 18: not your grandfather, and then of the Democrat Party they

2603
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:22,480
Speaker 18: were just a rabble of ignorant Kukula's plan racist. But

2604
02:20:22,560 --> 02:20:24,640
Speaker 18: in nineteen seventy two, it talks about how the Marsians

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02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:27,080
Speaker 18: and the civil rights movement jumped from the Civil rights

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02:20:27,160 --> 02:20:29,640
Speaker 18: movement to the Democrat Party and then they took it

2607
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Speaker 18: over and made it a Marsians, a Martians organization and

2608
02:20:32,320 --> 02:20:36,760
Speaker 18: the finishes every spent holy but Shureley turn the Democrat

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02:20:36,840 --> 02:20:39,720
Speaker 18: Party from a rival of ignorant racist into the most

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Speaker 18: sophisticated crime family in the history of the world. The

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02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:46,000
Speaker 18: Democrat Party is an evil organization. They've always been an

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Speaker 18: emuls They've always been evil, they always will be evil,

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Speaker 18: and we have to stop them.

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Speaker 1: Did your I mean we were out speaking with people,

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02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, in among the black community, to go to

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02:20:56,040 --> 02:20:58,360
Speaker 1: these poor, impoverished neighborhoods where you grew up in those

2617
02:20:58,400 --> 02:21:00,880
Speaker 1: types of areas, and you preach your and you do

2618
02:21:01,080 --> 02:21:03,480
Speaker 1: sound like a preacher. You are a firm advocate. You

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02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:06,400
Speaker 1: mean what you say, and you say it in such

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02:21:06,400 --> 02:21:09,080
Speaker 1: a convincing way. What is the response from people who

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02:21:09,160 --> 02:21:12,400
Speaker 1: have been indoctrinated into believing that the only way for

2622
02:21:12,600 --> 02:21:16,400
Speaker 1: the poor, impoverished black person is to vote for Democrats?

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Speaker 18: Standing ovations all around because they never heard the real message. Look,

2624
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Speaker 18: I did a documentary that I want your viewers to watch.

2625
02:21:26,320 --> 02:21:29,760
Speaker 18: The trailer from Tucker Carlston debuted on his show Before

2626
02:21:29,800 --> 02:21:31,800
Speaker 18: They Are Thoughts. The documentary is called Will You Go

2627
02:21:31,879 --> 02:21:35,040
Speaker 18: to Hell? From Me? And the interesting thing is here

2628
02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:38,519
Speaker 18: in Lynchburg Virginia where I live. A group of Republicans.

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02:21:38,600 --> 02:21:40,760
Speaker 18: They rented out a theater and showed us about a

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Speaker 18: thousand people, ninety percent of them white. They gave the

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02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:47,200
Speaker 18: standing ovation at the end. Then in mississ Tennessee at

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Speaker 18: World Overcomers Church, the largest by church in Memphis, twelve

2633
02:21:50,440 --> 02:21:52,680
Speaker 18: thousand and five, on that member church, they showed the

2634
02:21:52,760 --> 02:21:55,840
Speaker 18: same documentary. They got the standing ovation there too. Why

2635
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:59,200
Speaker 18: because I give up the truth. People have their phones

2636
02:21:59,240 --> 02:22:01,879
Speaker 18: out looking at facts, and I give them actual fact.

2637
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:04,120
Speaker 18: I proved to him that Martin Luther King Junior was

2638
02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:07,360
Speaker 18: a Martians, that he was an apostate preacher. I proved it.

2639
02:22:08,480 --> 02:22:10,920
Speaker 18: I showed that he got the Market Sing Award in

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02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:14,640
Speaker 18: nineteen sixty six, the first recipient of it. I approved

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Speaker 18: that Margus King Junior was kicked out of the Black

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02:22:16,480 --> 02:22:18,480
Speaker 18: Church I'm trying to take it over from Martians in

2643
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:21,720
Speaker 18: nineteen sixty one, and he started his own religion. He

2644
02:22:21,879 --> 02:22:23,920
Speaker 18: was kicked out of the National Baptist Conventions for killing

2645
02:22:23,959 --> 02:22:26,240
Speaker 18: a peak preacher on the floor trying to take it

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02:22:26,280 --> 02:22:29,120
Speaker 18: over for the Communists in nineteen sixty one, and so

2647
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:31,120
Speaker 18: they kicked him out and he started his own religion.

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02:22:31,240 --> 02:22:35,760
Speaker 18: He called it the Progressive National Baptist Convention. It's the

2649
02:22:35,800 --> 02:22:38,160
Speaker 18: secret of Raspail Warnock to serve it from from Georgia

2650
02:22:38,200 --> 02:22:42,240
Speaker 18: belongs to yeah as an apostate group of crazy libertine ministers.

2651
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:44,640
Speaker 18: I proved that Martin Luther King Junior was behind the

2652
02:22:44,680 --> 02:22:47,520
Speaker 18: man outcalls in welfare, where if you catch a man

2653
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:50,560
Speaker 18: at home, the family can get no help from the

2654
02:22:50,600 --> 02:22:54,320
Speaker 18: federal government. And in one generation the black community was

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02:22:54,360 --> 02:22:56,720
Speaker 18: having eighties of their children being born in wedlocks, eight

2656
02:22:56,760 --> 02:22:59,480
Speaker 18: percent being born out of wet locks. I proved that

2657
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Speaker 18: in his I Have a Dream speech, he said, one

2658
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Speaker 18: hundred years after Emancipation Proclamation, the negro is still not free.

2659
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Speaker 18: And he said five times in their speech that we

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02:23:10,320 --> 02:23:12,960
Speaker 18: were not free, which is a lie. And then he

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02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:14,480
Speaker 18: said at the end of it, and you remember this

2662
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:17,200
Speaker 18: refrain that on a certain certain day we'll be free

2663
02:23:17,240 --> 02:23:20,680
Speaker 18: at land, free at land. Thank God Almighty, we're.

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Speaker 7: Free at lands.

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Speaker 18: Well, the course of the Declaration of Independence and John

2666
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:27,880
Speaker 18: Locke from the Second Taries of Government, I was born free.

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02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:32,000
Speaker 18: My freedom is a gift from God. It's an unalienable right.

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02:23:32,959 --> 02:23:37,199
Speaker 18: It is irrevocable, non transferable, and unsalable. It precedes the constitution.

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02:23:37,640 --> 02:23:41,520
Speaker 18: Government cannot touch it. That speech turned the Declaration of

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Speaker 18: Independence on its head, and we make our children say

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Speaker 18: it every year, and our children and our children is

2672
02:23:46,760 --> 02:23:48,400
Speaker 18: right over and over again that we are not free.

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02:23:49,160 --> 02:23:52,840
Speaker 18: We are free American. It's supersedes and it turns around

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02:23:52,920 --> 02:23:55,080
Speaker 18: everything that we believe about who we are. That our

2675
02:23:55,080 --> 02:23:57,760
Speaker 18: freedom comes from God. And Marninuther King Junior said, we

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02:23:57,800 --> 02:23:59,720
Speaker 18: have to go to government for our freedom. And this

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02:23:59,879 --> 02:24:01,800
Speaker 18: is that's why we have had a retrogression in the

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02:24:01,800 --> 02:24:04,120
Speaker 18: black community. This is why we march and we sing,

2679
02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:06,800
Speaker 18: what are you saying in that speech? We will never

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02:24:06,879 --> 02:24:09,720
Speaker 18: be satisfied. When will we be satisfied? Never until truth

2681
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:11,760
Speaker 18: rolled down like water and right to this like a

2682
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:15,880
Speaker 18: mighty stream. That's the fast way of saying never telling

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02:24:15,959 --> 02:24:18,840
Speaker 18: us to start white America, telling us to cry and

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02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:21,200
Speaker 18: beg and slobber and get the hell beat out of us,

2685
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:24,680
Speaker 18: to try to get man to accept us. Where God says,

2686
02:24:24,879 --> 02:24:27,600
Speaker 18: you don't worry about man, you worry about me. You

2687
02:24:27,720 --> 02:24:30,800
Speaker 18: turn to God, not government. And this is why we're

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02:24:30,840 --> 02:24:33,920
Speaker 18: at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic in America. And

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02:24:34,040 --> 02:24:37,000
Speaker 18: the best thing the white conservative ever did was lead

2690
02:24:37,080 --> 02:24:39,720
Speaker 18: the Democrat Party because they hadn't left them. They be

2691
02:24:39,800 --> 02:24:42,080
Speaker 18: exactly what the Black community down at the bottom of everything.

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02:24:42,920 --> 02:24:45,480
Speaker 18: So when I explained this to black people, when I

2693
02:24:45,600 --> 02:24:48,840
Speaker 18: show them why you are where you are, Jesus said

2694
02:24:48,879 --> 02:24:50,680
Speaker 18: that the tree is known by the fruit that bad.

2695
02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:53,760
Speaker 18: You cannot get good food from a bad tree or

2696
02:24:53,800 --> 02:24:55,440
Speaker 18: bad food from a good tree. Each tree and his

2697
02:24:55,480 --> 02:24:57,640
Speaker 18: fruit be out of his own. If the Black community

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02:24:57,879 --> 02:24:59,959
Speaker 18: is bad fruit right now, then the tree it came

2699
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:02,160
Speaker 18: from with the bad fruit too, and the bad food

2700
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:04,440
Speaker 18: is a Democrat Party and the civil rights movement. You

2701
02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:06,720
Speaker 18: can't get around it. So what do we do?

2702
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:09,280
Speaker 6: We believe what our Bible says?

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02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:12,640
Speaker 18: What did God tell came when King was angry because

2704
02:25:12,680 --> 02:25:15,640
Speaker 18: he had rejected his offering? He said, King, why are

2705
02:25:15,640 --> 02:25:19,520
Speaker 18: you angry? If you do well, will you not be accepted?

2706
02:25:20,440 --> 02:25:22,720
Speaker 18: And if not, saying weas at the door to master you,

2707
02:25:23,320 --> 02:25:27,880
Speaker 18: you must master it. If you do well, will you

2708
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:30,640
Speaker 18: not be accepted? And the left has not done well,

2709
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:35,360
Speaker 18: so they tell people to march, envy, hate, treds christ burn,

2710
02:25:35,440 --> 02:25:38,800
Speaker 18: baby burn, no justice, no peace. Well, Jesus Christ, it

2711
02:25:38,959 --> 02:25:40,600
Speaker 18: my peace I give to you. Now let I leave

2712
02:25:40,640 --> 02:25:42,720
Speaker 18: it with you. We'll not free, he said, he who

2713
02:25:42,760 --> 02:25:46,080
Speaker 18: the sign has free is free. Indeed, the civil rights

2714
02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:49,360
Speaker 18: movement was an anti Christian movement. It was an anti

2715
02:25:49,400 --> 02:25:52,000
Speaker 18: American movement. And now we have to go back to

2716
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:54,840
Speaker 18: our manhoods, to our gods, to our Bible. And it's

2717
02:25:54,840 --> 02:25:57,240
Speaker 18: going to take good Christians, black and white to unify

2718
02:25:57,440 --> 02:25:59,840
Speaker 18: and turn this country around. That's what I write about,

2719
02:26:00,040 --> 02:26:02,439
Speaker 18: that's what my films are about. Go to my website

2720
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Speaker 18: and watch it.

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Speaker 1: It'll rock your world absolutely. And get a copy of

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Speaker 1: his book, Crime in Corporated How the Democrats employ mafia

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02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:11,119
Speaker 1: and gangster tactics to gain hold, a gain and hold power.

2724
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Speaker 1: By my guest today, Vince Everett Ellison, Your strength of

2725
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:17,880
Speaker 1: conviction is amazing, my friend. I can hear it in

2726
02:26:17,920 --> 02:26:20,280
Speaker 1: your voice. I know that it's flowing through your blood,

2727
02:26:20,400 --> 02:26:23,040
Speaker 1: in your veins. The freedom that we enjoy, we own it,

2728
02:26:23,280 --> 02:26:24,040
Speaker 1: it is ours.

2729
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:25,480
Speaker 2: Do not deny it.

2730
02:26:25,640 --> 02:26:27,600
Speaker 1: Get the book and Roches's film. Will you go to

2731
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:28,120
Speaker 1: Hell for me?

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Speaker 4: Vince?

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Speaker 1: I could hear you all day long, man, powerful words.

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Speaker 18: Let me tell you, let me tell you people who

2735
02:26:35,560 --> 02:26:39,400
Speaker 18: our last name. We cannot be oppressed, we cannot be victims.

2736
02:26:39,720 --> 02:26:42,640
Speaker 18: I am air of Jesus Christ, I'm a child of God.

2737
02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:44,680
Speaker 18: I cannot be a victim. I cannot be oppressed. So

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02:26:44,760 --> 02:26:47,360
Speaker 18: whenever a Christian walks up, whenever a Christian black person

2739
02:26:47,440 --> 02:26:48,800
Speaker 18: walks up you and tell you that they have victim

2740
02:26:49,000 --> 02:26:51,600
Speaker 18: and they're oppressed. You asked them, how can you be impressed?

2741
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:52,520
Speaker 18: You be on the air if you just christ on

2742
02:26:52,600 --> 02:26:55,120
Speaker 18: town of God and tell them I love you. I'll

2743
02:26:55,120 --> 02:26:57,320
Speaker 18: help you do anything, and I help you exercise your freedom.

2744
02:26:57,520 --> 02:26:59,200
Speaker 18: But if you try to take anything from me or

2745
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:00,960
Speaker 18: hurt me, you got two things to to get you

2746
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:03,360
Speaker 18: off me. That is Jesus and my thirty eight. You

2747
02:27:03,480 --> 02:27:04,240
Speaker 18: better not tell.

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02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:08,880
Speaker 1: I love that Vince, you know. And that's why Marxists

2749
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:12,720
Speaker 1: hate religion. There is something beyond their state control. There

2750
02:27:12,760 --> 02:27:15,160
Speaker 1: is something that transcends there.

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02:27:15,240 --> 02:27:16,680
Speaker 18: It is you hit it right on the head. That's

2752
02:27:16,680 --> 02:27:18,879
Speaker 18: why they hate God. They do not compete for power.

2753
02:27:19,800 --> 02:27:22,160
Speaker 18: They know if they go against him they lose. See,

2754
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:24,800
Speaker 18: they can't oppress people like me and you. We know

2755
02:27:24,920 --> 02:27:27,600
Speaker 18: how power comes from you. And I look them in

2756
02:27:27,640 --> 02:27:29,560
Speaker 18: the eye and say try it. If you kill me,

2757
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:31,840
Speaker 18: I go to be with God. But you will not

2758
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:34,120
Speaker 18: make me your slave. And you will never make me crawl,

2759
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:36,760
Speaker 18: and this is the message that we have to give

2760
02:27:36,879 --> 02:27:39,160
Speaker 18: to the men of America. The men. We are the

2761
02:27:39,240 --> 02:27:41,480
Speaker 18: descendants of the people who beat the British Empire, were

2762
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:44,720
Speaker 18: the descendants of the ones that's on the beaches of Normandy.

2763
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Speaker 18: That's who we are. A strong resiliant people. We're Americans, man.

2764
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:50,400
Speaker 18: We don't back down from nothing. Three hundred and sixty

2765
02:27:50,440 --> 02:27:53,240
Speaker 18: five times in our Bible, God ordered us to fear not.

2766
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:54,320
Speaker 18: I fear no man.

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Speaker 2: We go forward.

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Speaker 1: Vince ever Elison, everyone's getting your book My friend Crime

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Speaker 1: Check out Vince's pace as well. Follow him, check out

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Speaker 1: his documentaries. Learn something from this powerful man, Vince everard Elson,

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Speaker 1: It has been a real pleasure to have you on

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Speaker 1: my program. You're welcome any time you'll want, my friend.

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Speaker 1: I'll love to look forward to heaven reading your next

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Speaker 1: book when it comes out.