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Speaker 1: All right back on the Eddie and Rocky Show walk

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Speaker 1: out today. Jason Williams is in and Jay's little to

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Speaker 1: do downtown yesterday, and I'm not talking about Opening Day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, incredibly unfortunate. This is one of those you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know this audi the Crown Jewel event.

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Speaker 2: There's those handful of events in this town that the

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Speaker 2: world is watching, or we feel like the world is watching,

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Speaker 2: and that we do it better than anyone else. And

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Speaker 2: Opening Day we do better than anyone else. And it's

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Speaker 2: a great day of celebration. And certainly it was for

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Speaker 2: the most part up until really after the game and

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Speaker 2: went into the evening when a lot of chaos broke

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Speaker 2: out in the banks and in certain parts of downtown.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was I we were obviously on the air

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Speaker 1: from eleven to one yesterday at the Holy Grail right

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Speaker 1: in the middle of it all, and that was way

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Speaker 1: before all this started. But I mean, it looked there

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Speaker 1: to be under control. Everybody seemed to be having a

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Speaker 1: good time. And you know, I know this this guy,

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Speaker 1: he's become a regular. He's legal analysts and WLW and

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Speaker 1: a political analyst, and he's become a really great go

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Speaker 1: to guy for these things.

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Speaker 2: He was there at the game yesterday. Then he also

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Speaker 2: got you said he was trickled out into and saw

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Speaker 2: some of the stuff out on the banks. Our good

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Speaker 2: friend Steve Good and former Cincinnati City council member and

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Speaker 2: local attorney who's worked in the Prosecutor's office in the

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Speaker 1: And Steve, So, Steve, welcome back to the program. Let's

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Speaker 1: what what did you What did you know and when

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Speaker 1: did you know it? I mean, when were your first aware, Steve,

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Speaker 3: We'll do it was. It caught me by surprise.

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Speaker 4: I was at the game and you know, was really

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Speaker 4: wish We were talking about how, you know, Abbott had

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Speaker 4: six pretty good innings and South Stewart looked good but

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Speaker 3: Suppose in what happened, but no, I walk out.

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Speaker 4: I was going to meet some friends at the Holy

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Speaker 4: Grail and we were there about ninety seconds before we

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Speaker 4: saw that the crowds were getting out of control. This

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Speaker 4: would have been about seven thirty seven forty five. I

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Speaker 4: had a strong sense that things were bad. We walked

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Speaker 4: this huge influx of juveniles. It was busier than it

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Speaker 4: it was pretty clear that these were folks who weren't

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Speaker 4: No one was wearing you know, not very few of

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Speaker 4: them were wearing Reds gear, and it was clear it's

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Speaker 4: a very young crowd that was coming down just to

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Speaker 4: have fun. I later learned, I guess that the you know,

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Speaker 4: in the twenty one and up limitation that's typically there

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Speaker 4: and again, you know, these are my friends, were all

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Speaker 4: heard reports of shots fired. And I know that hasn't

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Speaker 4: come out in the media, but one of my friend's

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Speaker 4: just an absolute terrible thing. And as Jason said, you know,

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Speaker 4: it really cuts right to the heart of our identity

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Speaker 4: in my mind, this is worse than that Fourth Street

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Speaker 4: opening Day with the images that people are seeing around

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know about it until this morning. I

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Speaker 1: she goes, oh, man, all that stuff that happened an

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Speaker 1: Opening Day has made the national news. It was in

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Speaker 1: the USA today. And I said, what they're writing about

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Speaker 1: then that's when I found out. But what so you

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Speaker 4: And no, apparently, you know, I saw that there were

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Speaker 4: congruent with what I saw. There definitely were large crowds,

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Speaker 3: And then I guess there was.

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Speaker 4: There were several other arrests and fights over in the

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Speaker 4: the city's put a ton of money and have built

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Speaker 4: And I also, I guess a lot of the disturbances

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Speaker 3: I guess there were a lot of juveniles who were

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Speaker 4: Who sort of drifted up to the banks after the game.

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Speaker 4: say what caused it all. Is a beautiful day, most

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Speaker 4: of the schools are out. It did look as though,

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Speaker 4: it was also pretty clear that there just really wasn't

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Speaker 4: I think they did what appeared to be a pretty

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Speaker 3: On these things.

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Speaker 4: Again, I heard that there were some state patrol folks involved. Ultimately,

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Speaker 4: it was gentlely, just a good old fashioned mess, and

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Speaker 4: again thankfully nobody was it looks like was seriously injured.

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Speaker 4: I think several people were. You know, there were some

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Speaker 3: But no one was shot, no one was killed. But

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Speaker 4: Of this are just debilitating, and it's like, you know,

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Speaker 3: Trying to wash it out of their eyes, and just

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Speaker 4: And if you use to imagine you're down there, you

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Speaker 4: know for for really what is built is a family day.

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Speaker 4: To have that sort of thing going on is uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's just it's just like I said, it

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Speaker 4: hit the city's like core identity in a way that

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Speaker 2: See when when I think about you and Mike Allen

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Speaker 2: as guys that when you think about your law career

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Speaker 2: and where you've been in your career, uh, you know

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Speaker 5: What is is it is the groups of of kids

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Speaker 5: Are they all text grouping each other. Hey, we're all

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Speaker 2: Got thirty people.

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Speaker 3: And what is this all?

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Speaker 4: Here and from from my friends in the police department.

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Speaker 4: It's a combination of the two. I mean, look, when

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Speaker 4: that we've been seeing increasingly as the weather gets warmer,

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Speaker 4: those are one hundred percent coordinated and one hundred percent

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Speaker 4: laid out via like Instagram and social media, and people

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Speaker 4: getting much better about getting that kind of intelligence and

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Speaker 4: blocking them. But some of the stuff that you see

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Speaker 4: You see it among among young people of all ages,

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Speaker 4: And this is what I hear over and over. It's

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Speaker 4: content to get on social media that they can put

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Speaker 4: trouble with what we used call emotional regulation. Things that

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Speaker 4: Things that might have become a fist fight become now

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Speaker 4: never meant to. So, I mean, I think, you know yesterday,

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Speaker 4: you know, I've not heard any kind of real firm

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Speaker 4: You probably have groups of kids from all different schools

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Speaker 4: involved in one of these altercations. So you know, there's

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Speaker 4: all kinds of people I think who you know are

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Speaker 4: you have this big cultural shift that you know, if

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Speaker 4: I put something positive on social media, ten people will

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Speaker 3: If I put a.

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Speaker 4: Photo of a street fight, probably two hundred thousand people

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Speaker 4: or more, amazing or something can go viral. I mean,

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Speaker 4: some of the clips from last summer got millions.

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Speaker 3: Of views internationally exactly.

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Speaker 4: And there are people that find that intoxicating and appealing,

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Speaker 4: and particularly young people do so it's just that's part

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Speaker 4: this cultural shift where people are willing to act out

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Speaker 4: And our policy makers, our judges in some cases, our

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Speaker 4: law enforcement folks, and certainly the business community. Nobody has

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Speaker 4: really gotten their hands around how to respond to that here.

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Speaker 4: And I know we were the only play where there

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Speaker 4: were other baseball games yesterday, other people had their version

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Speaker 4: of Opening Day.

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Speaker 3: We're the only one that made national news for riots here.

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Speaker 3: We have to figure this.

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Speaker 1: Out big time. Steve Gooden. We really appreciate you talking

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Speaker 1: to us. Man. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: You'll take care, come good down.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Steve Gooden. And to be right in the

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Speaker 1: middle of all that stuff that had to be a

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Speaker 1: little freaky.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I know I know others that ended up

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Speaker 2: kind of getting caught up and they're like, wait what yeah, yeah, yep.

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Speaker 3: With that.

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Speaker 1: We check in with traffic and weather, what is going on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And