1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. One 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: of the things that comes up in the walk of 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: every believer is doubt, and doubt is one of those 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: things that that sometimes will cause guilt, sadness, frustration in 5 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: a person of faith because the assumption is that what 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: you're doing is wrong, that somehow you have cause turmoil 7 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: in your path, and that's not necessarily the case. The 8 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: type of doubt is important to the equation, letting you 9 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: know the difference between a doubt that will prevent you 10 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: from actually finding the truth or a doubt that will 11 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: promote proper path. You have to get into the mindset 12 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: that it's not so much that there's anything wrong with 13 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: having doubt, but that you need to find an understanding 14 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: in the right kind of doubt. We'll call this a 15 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: productive doubt. How's that having doubt that is negative or 16 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: non productive is just simply cynical, You know, like the 17 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: skeptic who says, well, I just suspend judgment upon all things. 18 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Because do you suspend judgment on skepticism? 19 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: And then what it just causes a chain that goes 20 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: back and back in bath back, So you're not accountable 21 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: to anything, just plain cynicism. It's counterproductive to have this 22 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: kind of negative, non producing type of doubt. This impedes 23 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: the process of knowledge, the process of truth. But constructive 24 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: or productive doubt can lead to faith. Actually, it's easy 25 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: to get confused here, but remember the opposite of faith 26 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: is not doubt. The opposite of faith is unbelief. If 27 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: you think sort of like this, that doubt is like 28 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: saying I can't believe. Well, unbelief is like saying I 29 00:02:53,600 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: won't believe. Doubt can be very honest. Unbelief can just 30 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: be obstinate. Doubt is part of this beautiful process of 31 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: looking for truth, studying, preparing learning. In this search for truth, 32 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: unbelief happens to sit in that arena of being completely 33 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: content with ignorance. And it's very easy just to point 34 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: the finger back to the enemy. And the enemy does 35 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: play a huge part in doubt. The enemy pokes at 36 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: you and prods at you and tries to get you 37 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: to reject God at bare minimum question God, and that 38 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: seed of doubt is placed in the fertile ground of 39 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: frustration or sadness or whatever you might be experiencing. But 40 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: the enemy wants it to be that unproductive doubt. The 41 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: enemy wants it to be that kind of doubt that 42 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: doesn't move forward, that doesn't points you in a direction 43 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: that's still forward on your path. Because if you can 44 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: plant the seed of that unproductive doubt, that doubt that 45 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: is paralyzing in nature, then he feels a win. But 46 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: it's not just the enemy. You play a part in 47 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: this as well. There's many, many keys throughout scripture about 48 00:04:53,000 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: believing doubt. In Scripture, there are times t where just 49 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: the mere removal of your eyes off of God you 50 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: can be a problem. When you have anything in your 51 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: life that's distracting, when you have anything in your life 52 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: that keeps you from knowing, understanding, connecting with God, then 53 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: you're prone to this doubt. You're open and receptive to 54 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: this place of doubt, and it's not in like a 55 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: cult way that you are to cut yourself off from 56 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: anything in life so your eyes are solely set on 57 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: some sort of false God. It's that if you continue 58 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: to grow and to strengthen your ability to have communion 59 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: with God, to be in a state constantly of wanting 60 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: to know God or being God's will is when you're 61 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: in the best place of strength in Matthew fourteen, it 62 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: says this, and he said, come, you remember the story. 63 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: When I'm speaking to Peter. Peter got out of the boat, 64 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: walked on water, and came towards Jesus, goes on to say, 65 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: But seeing the wind, he became frightened and began to sink. 66 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: He cried out, Lord, save me. Immediately I reached out 67 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: my hand and I took hold of him. But if you, 68 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: if you remember correctly, I said to him, you have 69 00:06:54,640 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: little faith. Why do you doubt at this moment it 70 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: was actually Peter removing his eyes from me and looking 71 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: at the surroundings that caused the problem. He lost focus, 72 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: and in doing so, doubt crept in. What was it 73 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: that distracted him? Well, he saw the wind, he saw 74 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: the elements, those things that were surrounding the situation, and 75 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: gave in to those. Studies have shown that in car accidents, 76 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: people tend to naturally drive in the direction of their eyes. 77 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: So wherever your eyes are looking is where you're going 78 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: to drive to when you're in a vehicle, And they 79 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: found the problem with many accidents that could be avoided, 80 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: whether they are low speed or what have you. The 81 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: problem lies the fact that your human reaction during an 82 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: accident is to stare at the accident. If a car 83 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: is coming towards you, you stare at the car rather 84 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: than the escape route. So you drive yourself into the accident. 85 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: Where your eyes are is where your path will be. 86 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: It is natural you don't walk in the direction you're 87 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: not looking. So when you're dealing with God, and you're 88 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: dealing in this place of building a relationship, getting to 89 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: know God, tuning yourself with God's will, that when you 90 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: look away, when you look towards what the world has 91 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: to offer, when you get distracted by the shining rocks 92 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: of the world, then you miss that moment with God. 93 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: And doubt creeps in the distracting doubt, the confusing, the 94 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: confusing doubt, the doubt that is not productive. And giving 95 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: way to that is to only allow you the opportunity 96 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: to sink. Doubt is not the enemy. The type of 97 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: doubt determines whether it will be productive or unproductive in 98 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: your search. There are people throughout scripture that doubt it, 99 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: but it was usually for some reason and still in 100 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: the direction of productivity. In the story in Matthew fourteen, 101 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: when I call out to pee to get out of 102 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: the boat and to walk on water. Him taking his 103 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: eyes off of me is what allowed doubt to creep in. 104 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: He looked at the wind, he looked at the elements, 105 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: forgot who he was with and who controls those elements, 106 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: and caused him to become frightened to start to sink. 107 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: Removing your eyes from God can cause doubt. In Mark sixteen, 108 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: I want you to hear a couple of things that 109 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: stand out. Verse ten. She went and reported to those 110 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: who had been with him speaking about me while they 111 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: were mourning and weeping. When they heard he was alive 112 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: and had been seen by her, they refused to believe it. 113 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: The interesting thing in this part of the narrative is 114 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: that it starts out with them being in a state 115 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: of sorrow, mourning and weeping, and then it says they 116 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: refuse to believe. This points out that emotions can blind 117 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: you and can cause doubt. Being wrapped up in the 118 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: emotions will keep you from seeing whatever the truth is 119 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: in a situation. You know this to be true, you've 120 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: experienced it yourself. But also the wording there that says 121 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: they refused to believe refused. It was an act of 122 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: will to reject that belief. Why because of the emotion. 123 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: They were in the middle of grieving. They were in 124 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: the middle of mourning and therefore were not in a 125 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: place where they could receive. They were not in a 126 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: place where they would receive. First, keep your eyes on God. Second, 127 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: understand that emotions are temporal, They're circumstantial and can pull 128 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: you away from God when you're in the middle of them, 129 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: when you're experiencing them. But they refuse to believe. Now, 130 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: Doubting Thomas is a story that you hear over and over. 131 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: But even Thomas had no rejection per se. He just 132 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: wanted convincing. The interesting thing is when Thomas had that 133 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: information was his word. It's when he said, my Lord, 134 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: my God. He confirmed what he was experiencing. And I 135 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: told him that he was still blessed for seeing and believing. 136 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: But more blessed are those that don't have that opportunity 137 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: to see and believe. So remember, good doubt leads you 138 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: down a path of seeking and verifying truth. Bad doubt 139 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: leads you nowhere and is a wall built of excuses 140 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: that shield you from the truth. Frank, Welcome to the 141 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: Jesus Christia. 142 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: Good morning. You know, I know there's a lot more 143 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: going on other than my question here. However, I stopped 144 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: going to church probably nineteen seventy. 145 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: Wow. 146 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: I've looked around for a church periodically. I had some 147 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: bad experiences and and the way I was introduced to 148 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: church was kind of odd. I mean, I was in 149 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 2: church every day for for six six years or so 150 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: because I went to Catholic school and before you know, 151 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: before classes started, we went and went to Mass and 152 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: the boy and so and so on. And interestingly, the 153 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: thing that one of the things that I missed was 154 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: the Latin Mass when all that changed, and and thinking 155 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: about it over the years, what I missed was the 156 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: sort of solidarity of it, the solidarity of how well 157 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: it was just you, the math and God and the 158 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: social aspect of it all. Really sort of I was 159 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: never comfortable with it, and I would like to find 160 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: a place where I can go and just worship and 161 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: not be shaking everybody's hand and talk to everybody. 162 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: Okay, but there's a difference. There's a difference between worship. Okay. 163 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: Many things take place, for instance, at school, when you're 164 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: in school, not necessarily a parochial school, but you're in school, 165 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: you have recess, you have lunchtime. You may have a 166 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: music class, you have reading, writing, and arithmetic. You have 167 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: all these things that are coming together. But in a 168 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: social environment, in some sense, that's great. A matter of fact, 169 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: it can be very productive as long as it's controlled 170 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: and more beneficial for the child learning. Now, there's sometimes 171 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: it could be out of hand and the kids are 172 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: talking in class and going you know, crazy, and all 173 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: these things, and it becomes a problem. But it's not 174 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: a problem unto itself to be social. But there's a 175 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: difference between you just worshiping. You can worship at home 176 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: most certainly, but you can't fellowship at home, and church 177 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: should be a place of fellowship. Now you talk about 178 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: the Latin mask. Do you speak Latin fluently? 179 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: No? But at that time I realized that's a big stretch. 180 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: But at that time I understood it all it was, 181 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: you know, it was important to me. There was, for 182 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: lack of a better way of saying it, there was 183 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: mystery to it. 184 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: Okay, there should be mystery to certain parts of scripture 185 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: in the sense that you should always be thirsting to 186 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: know more. But there shouldn't be mystery in what someone's 187 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: telling you. Otherwise you're not learning so if you're if if, 188 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: if you're it sounds to me kind of like what 189 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: you're describing, Frank, is a place of inaccountability. You don't. 190 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: You don't even have to be accountable to the words 191 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: because you're not sure what they mean. You don't have 192 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: to be accountable to someone else because they're not there 193 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: to tell you something. You're just kind of there, so 194 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: you get the credit and say I was there. That 195 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: doesn't sound very productive to me, does it to you? 196 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't. And I don't mean to infer that 197 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: I you know, strictly speaking from what you've heard me say, 198 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: I get that you would that you would come to 199 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: that conclusion. But I'm looking for a place where I 200 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: don't you know, where I feel connected, and the number 201 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: of places I've gone over gone to over the years, 202 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: I just it all feels very It's too informal for me. 203 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: I don't know how else to say it. 204 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: Well, you would have hated the early church. It was 205 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: done in people's homes, you cat. You don't get more 206 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: informal than that. It has Your tastes do matter, Frank. 207 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: I say these things because I want you, you know, 208 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: we have limited time on the air to be together. 209 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: So I want you to be able to take some 210 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: nuggets with you at least to think about. But really 211 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: it is a very deep question, and there's going to 212 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: be the connection and what you're looking for ultimately does 213 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: is important and this is why we were weighing all 214 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: those different ideas about environment is important, but really you 215 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: know the things that you're looking for are and important 216 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: all these things, but ultimately, Frank, when it comes to food, 217 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: I do care what you eat if it harms you. 218 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: If it doesn't harm you, I don't care what you eat. However, 219 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: you have taste. So you have all these different things 220 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: going on. First you have to eat or you will die. Correct, 221 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: You have to consume, So you have to consume food, 222 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: get nutrients. That's the most important thing. Now, flavor and 223 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: taste and how you do it is up to you 224 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: as long as you're not doing anything to cause problems 225 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: to your physical nature. So those they all play a part. 226 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: Church is similar. The important thing is that you go 227 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: and you get fed. You need to get fed spiritually, 228 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: otherwise you wither the same way you would physically if 229 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: you don't eat. But as far as how you do it, 230 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: there are some somees and things like that, but they're 231 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: much more broad and it's more about finding a place 232 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: that has those good teachings. But to me, you're coming 233 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: from it from a place of what you don't want 234 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: rather than what you may need and how you should 235 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: receive it. There are days where you don't feel like eating, 236 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: but you put something in your mouth. You just do 237 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: just because you know you're gonna need it. And when 238 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: it comes to church, I mean, you're telling me that 239 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: for forty years you haven't been back to the church. 240 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: Truly, that's true. 241 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: Okay, well, that there's a problem there and you probably 242 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: have grown callouses and comfort in not doing that, and 243 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: that's totally understandable as well. But there's things for you 244 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: to be learned that can only be learned in the 245 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: environment of a church and interacting with one another. And 246 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you're always going to like it. 247 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: And some of the informalities I know that there's some 248 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: Catholic churches that you know have given applause. Let's give 249 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: a round of applause to the Baby Jesus on on 250 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: the you know, Christmas Eve. There they still do the 251 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: Peace be with you and the greeting. Some people like 252 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: that some don't I get how some things can be 253 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: bothersome to you. But the form out the structure there 254 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: to me in the with the description you're giving sounds 255 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: like something you're hiding in rather than embracing and receiving from. 256 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: You're kind of like, well, the structure means that there's 257 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: not going to be anything that's going to go out 258 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: of that structure. Yet there's mystery because it's in a 259 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: different language, and all these and that's just that's just stuff. 260 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: That's just stuff. You need to hear the words from them. 261 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: Do you want somebody to come into your house when 262 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: it's burning and they're there to save you, to rattle 263 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: something off in a language you can't understand, or to 264 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: wait with a pomp and circumstance, to to sit there 265 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: and go through the structure and put on the all 266 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: these hats and to put on the robe, and to 267 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: go through all these things before they get into your house. 268 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: That would be ridiculous. The world is auguring. There are 269 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: problems that are taking place every day of which you 270 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: are a part, and you have to understand and understand 271 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: and strengthen yourself spiritually. And the only way to do 272 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: that really is but with others now Bible studies. This 273 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: program plays a small part of that, but you really 274 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: don't get the interaction with other people. So that's why 275 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: I always say this isn't church and things like that, 276 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: but they all play a part of it. You wouldn't 277 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: want that in any other relationship in your life. 278 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: None, Well do you how do I go about I mean, 279 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: I guess every week I could go look at a 280 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: different Obviously, right now I'm searching. There's some I have 281 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 2: a need now. Whereas before I never felt like I 282 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: had the need, Now I feel like I have a 283 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: need and I don't know how to go about it. 284 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: So detached from it for so long. 285 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Well, I think the easiest thing to do is to 286 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: start at a church that's close to you, church that 287 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: looks interesting or maybe something about it draws you into 288 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: them if you can find you know, if you're looking 289 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: for a Catholic church, you're already gonna know what their 290 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: mission statement is because they're Catholic, so you can walk 291 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: straight in. If you veer out of Catholicism, I would 292 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: recommend you, know, trying to find websites and look up 293 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: the mission statement of the church and see what their 294 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: their beliefs are, because that's going to should be important 295 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: to you. But if it's if it's a Catholic church, 296 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get. It's just going to 297 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: be a difference in maybe this pastor or priest leader 298 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: of the church in particular, it speaks to you in 299 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: a way that you receive, or maybe it's an age 300 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: group you like. The age group seems to sit with you, 301 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: or the music seems to sit with you, whatever it is, 302 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: and those become those flavor issues I was talking about 303 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: that you could kind of decide as to what you're 304 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: looking for and if not, then move to another. But 305 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: I would recommend, especially with churches the way they are 306 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: now having multiple services, one service may speak more to you. 307 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: I know in the Catholic Church quite often an earlier 308 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: service will be a little quieter and for one set 309 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: of people, and then the second service might be for 310 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: more families, so it might be a little louder and 311 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: maybe there'll be more kids in the audience, and then 312 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: the later service can tends to be for younger people 313 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: and maybe they have a band playing instead of just 314 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: hymns and things like that, and taste those things poke 315 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: at a little bit frank, and then see first what 316 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: your interest is, because you already know you want to 317 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: know about God. That's the easy part. It's just how 318 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: you want to learn, and what your flavor base is 319 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: is kind of what you're going to reinduce, reintroduce to yourself, 320 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: and that can take a little more time. Okay, okay. 321 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: The most important thing is that you get fed. 322 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: Right, I'd buy it. 323 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well I'm not selling it, but Oddso 324 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: that's the first thing, is that first go and get fed, 325 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: just because that is the base, most important thing, and 326 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: slowly learn about, you know, learn about the groups that 327 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: are going on there at the church. Maybe you want 328 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: to participate in one or get involved, or maybe they 329 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: have you know, little branches of classes or things that 330 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: are going on that may be more hobby based or 331 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: something like that, but you're doing them with people of 332 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: like mind as well, and conversation can go towards God 333 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: while you're I don't know, building model trains or whatever. 334 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: There are groups like that, And slowly start introducing yourself 335 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: to people and getting connected for to your break, I 336 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: think it's it's time to go back. Carol, Welcome to the. 337 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ show thank you, thank you for taking my call. 338 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: Pleasure you. 339 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 3: When I go to church on Sunday, back of the 340 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: pulpit is a wooden cross in my church, and every 341 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 3: Sunday I look at it and I reminded of how 342 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 3: you died on the cross, and it is so almost 343 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: unendurable to imagine what man did to you. And I 344 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 3: now question why did you have to go through that? 345 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: Why couldn't there have been another type of pentance or 346 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 3: something that you could have done to save us from 347 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: our sins without having to have been tortured so badly 348 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 3: by man. 349 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: Well, that death is the price, the wages of sin 350 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: is what is it, you know, having to say ten 351 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: hail Mary's No, the wages of sin is death. And 352 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: to question that is to question the perfection of God's plan. 353 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: There is no other way. If you remember, in the 354 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: garden of Gathsemone, I said, Father, if this cup can 355 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: pass from me, if there is any way people could 356 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: just be good, or they can do whatever, so be it. 357 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: They can believe whatever they want, do whatever they want, 358 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: and still get in so be it. But that's not 359 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: the response. The response was, no, You go to the 360 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: cross because it had to you had to go to 361 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: the cross. That's that the death was the payment. And 362 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be righteous for any judge to know what 363 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: the payment for a crime was and then depart in 364 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: any ways. That's not justice, that's not truth. Oh. The 365 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: truth is is that that sin is very ugly and 366 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: that people want to push it under a rug and 367 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: pretend that it doesn't exist. And is there something I 368 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: can do? Jump on one foot, pray this way, do this, 369 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: or do that, and then it's all absolved. No, it's death, 370 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: and someone was going to pay for it, either you 371 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: as individuals or me for everyone. And so, throughout the 372 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: process of killing the spotless animals, as our Jewish brothers 373 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: and sisters did to understand the violence that sin brings 374 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: and that the payment of that could only be done 375 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: in death. And this is prophesied and over and over 376 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: and over in scripture. It says that this is going 377 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: to take place Isaiah fifty three to five talking about 378 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: and by his stripes, by his wounds, you will be healed. Well, 379 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: that's talking about what I was going to do. That 380 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: process of sinning was so intense and is so intense 381 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: then and now and will be from years from now, 382 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: that it could only be paid for by the sinless, 383 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: spotless lamb period. There was no other I wasn't going 384 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: to walk the earth and then teach people really nice 385 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: things and they were going to be fine. It doesn't 386 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: work that way. The sin had continued to perpetuate, it 387 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: to be perpetuated and passed on to others, and people 388 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: continue to sin today. And the only payment would have 389 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: been death. And as it says, God so loved the 390 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: world and all his creation that instead of allowing you 391 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: to die, he sent me to die, knowing that I 392 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: could cover the cost of all. And so you, believing, 393 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: shall have life, everlasting. Kfix on demand.