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Speaker 1: me a call. And the meantime, without further ado, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the morning show. Dusty Rhoads, former Hamilton County auditor,

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Speaker 1: came up with a had a conversation yesterday with Senate

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Speaker 1: candidate from the seventh district here in the state of Ohio,

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Speaker 1: Zach Haynes, who talked about property tax relief. We certainly

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Speaker 1: need it. Many people can't afford to pay their property taxes,

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Speaker 1: especially when they jump thirty plus percent overnight. Dusty Rhoads,

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Speaker 1: a lot of ideas floating around out there. I know

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Speaker 1: the budget from the state of Ohio. The elected officials said,

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Speaker 1: here are some property tax relief items. And our governor

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Speaker 1: line item vetoed them. We are facing a potential ballot

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Speaker 1: initiative which would eliminate, by way of constitutional amendment in Ohio,

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Speaker 1: the collection of property taxes, which sounds interesting, get your

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Speaker 1: popcorn out type of event, Dusty, But it's going to

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Speaker 1: be really complicated if that happens. Where are we, Dusty Rhodes?

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Speaker 1: Is there any relief out there that's possible in what

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Speaker 2: Dusty? Welcome back. Happy new year, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Happy new year, Brian. Good to be where you. It's interesting.

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Speaker 3: The first thing I want to note is there were

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Speaker 2: It was all but like one. Weren't there all of them?

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Speaker 2: All of them?

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Speaker 1: I thought maybe okay, I thought maybe one of the

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Speaker 3: No, they all passed, okay. And so that indicates to

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Speaker 3: me that this property tax issue is not the big

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Speaker 3: there'd be an outpouring of votes against property taxes?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Dost he don't ask me what I think about the

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Speaker 1: most recent elections, since only one out of four registered

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Speaker 1: think that's the problem of low information voters and off

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Speaker 1: And many people who like for example, apartment renters, who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they don't realize that it's built into their

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Speaker 3: rental payment. But the problem is the twenty mil floor,

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Speaker 3: and I think they've passed something that limits that a little.

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Speaker 3: That's the device that the school's got to avoid the

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Speaker 3: rollback of the taxes when values go up, every other

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Speaker 3: tax roll back so that the police department and fire

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Speaker 3: the voters approved money wise, and if that was in

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Speaker 2: Well the other thing, Oh, go ahead, finish your thought.

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Speaker 3: Well, Well, the thing is there is a conspiracy of

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Speaker 3: I've asked Tom saidis the guy who writes for the

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Speaker 2: Maybe they don't get it.

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Speaker 3: Well I don't. It's simple when you look at it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's hard to believe though. The twenty mil floor

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Speaker 1: Cambit Well, Dusty Rhoades. How about I know it's been discussed.

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Speaker 1: It's not me coming up with the concept, but how

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Speaker 3: And real estate doesn't track inflation. It jumps a lot

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Speaker 3: So if you take that out of the equation, that

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Speaker 3: the fact that the schools and the townships and everybody

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Speaker 3: the problem is with doing away with the property tax completely.

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Speaker 3: These people are well meaning, but they're doomed. They're wasting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nod, that's it. The ad campaign is going to

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Speaker 1: be overwhelming. You know, your schools are going to suffer,

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Speaker 1: And there's not going to be any moneyed organized effort

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Speaker 3: What the state isn't doing enough. And Bart West, who

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Speaker 3: And that was caseis trick too. He did the same thing.

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Speaker 3: He put the burden on the local governments by cutting

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Speaker 3: efficient tax collector with the income tax, which is fair

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Speaker 3: according to how much you make, and they've been whittling

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Speaker 3: it's the problem. Property tax problem is the result.

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Speaker 1: Dusty Roads, if we're honor for Hamilton County. It's great

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Speaker 1: having you on, Dusty. I hope you are doing well

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Speaker 1: and your family's doing well. It's a pleasure to having

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Speaker 1: discuss it with my listeners and me. Happy New Year

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Speaker 1: to you, sir, Thanks for spending some time with my

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Speaker 3: Happy new year to you, Brian and all the best

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Hey, just fyi, we're going to be at ronz Rous

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Speaker 1: on the West Side for the next listener lunch. Fourth

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Speaker 1: of February. That's first Wednesday, February. I know you come

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Speaker 1: every once in a while. I'm just extending an infin

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Speaker 1: invitation with no pressure to show up. But it's always

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Speaker 1: great when you show up. The Listener lunch my friend.

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Speaker 2: I'll be there.

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Speaker 1: Take care, Dusty Roads. That'll be uh Rods as