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Speaker 1: Good morning, Welcome to the Big Outdoors News Radio seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WL Cincinnati Chippard.

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Speaker 2: And damn the new years here.

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Speaker 1: And Danny, this is year number thirty one for me.

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Speaker 1: Okay as of like last Saturday morning. So how loujah.

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Speaker 1: But you know, life goes on and you've made it

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Speaker 1: that long without going crazy. No, no, actually you know

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Speaker 1: I made it that long without getting fired. Okay, management

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Speaker 1: doesn't know my name a month. You know, here I

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Speaker 1: am at Saturday morning. Who in the hell's up at

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Speaker 1: five am?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they do come and ask me the

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Speaker 2: next day. Who was that guy with you?

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Speaker 1: Oh you're lovely. Well, Happy new year everybody. Mitch Renfro,

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Speaker 1: How in the world are you? It's called the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Sports Boat and Travel Show and you're rolling back into town.

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Speaker 2: When yeah, we're rolling back top.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on, man, and we're excited. We're

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Speaker 3: back in the new building. Will be the first ones

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Speaker 3: in there for as far as the consumer trade show,

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Speaker 3: and January twenty third is stickoff.

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Speaker 2: That is excellent.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: We missed you last year.

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Speaker 1: Everybody missed you, and like, what sixty eight years now?

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Speaker 1: So telling yeah, it's the we we have the new

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Speaker 1: renovated UH Cincinnati Convention Center. Duke Energy is no longer

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Speaker 1: the naming rights sponsor, which is fine by me. We

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Speaker 1: need to keep our electric rates low and but that's

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Speaker 1: another story. Okay, So all right, so we're rolling back in.

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Speaker 1: What can we expect because I'm sure there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of changes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's obviously after a year, and it's never ideal

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Speaker 3: to be out like we were. We missed being there too,

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Speaker 3: so we're super excited to be back, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we've got a lot of great things coming in this year. Again,

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Speaker 3: We've we've kept the RV component. The RVs will be

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Speaker 3: back just like they were in UH twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: The boats, I mean, we've got a lot of new

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Speaker 3: boat dealers that expanded into bigger spaces than before. Some

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Speaker 3: boat lines are all going to be there, from pontoons,

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Speaker 3: your wakeboard boats, your fiberglass, every single and fishing boats,

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Speaker 3: everything's going.

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Speaker 2: To be there.

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Speaker 3: We've added a little bit more power sports this year.

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Speaker 3: We've got you know, a couple of big power sports

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Speaker 3: boosts that are going to be bringing side by sides, tractors,

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Speaker 3: just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: More variety there we get again, We're we.

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Speaker 3: Love having things for the whole family. So we brought

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Speaker 3: Wiggy the water skiing squirrel, the biggest celebrity in the

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Speaker 3: boat show world.

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Speaker 1: And it's still you know what, it's still squirrel hunting

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Speaker 1: season two.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so it's.

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Speaker 3: A little extra. Yeah that squirrels a little on the edge,

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Speaker 3: you know this time of year.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah here, you know, yeah, and uh.

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Speaker 3: We've got some dogs doing some frisbee tricks as well.

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Speaker 3: You know, we also have the bird dog guys who

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Speaker 3: like do Centro demonstrations.

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Speaker 2: Troy Troy Thompson Yep, yep, yeah, Troy.

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Speaker 3: Will be back this year. So you know, again this

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Speaker 3: is adds value to the whole family. We've got a

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Speaker 3: new area that we're going to call the Campfire Cafe,

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Speaker 3: uh stage, where we're gonna have a lot of those

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Speaker 3: things all going on. It's gonna be a fun area

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Speaker 3: that we're gonna have kind of we're working with the

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Speaker 3: caterine and the convention center to come up with some

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Speaker 3: cool menus, craft beer, and just again just a cool

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Speaker 3: spot where people can gather, take a load off after

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Speaker 3: walking through the whole show and have some value for

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Speaker 3: the whole family to watch a cool show. Are you

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Speaker 3: on You're still on one floor? Yep, we're still on

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Speaker 3: one floor. And we took up the whole, the whole.

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Speaker 3: We're at A B and C, the whole. There isn't

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Speaker 3: a single corner in that main floor that isn't something

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Speaker 2: So are you sold out?

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're sold out, baby. Like I said, every Milk

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Speaker 3: and Cranny is going to have something that goes with

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Speaker 3: the sports show.

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Speaker 2: How many RVs do you think you're gonna have?

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Speaker 3: You know, that depends on what they're bringing. I mean

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Speaker 3: last year or twenty four they brought a lot of

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Speaker 3: the diesel ushers. Oh okay, so they got like, what's

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Speaker 3: great about it is they've got enough stays where you're

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Speaker 3: going to see everything. Every class of camper there good.

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Speaker 1: So it's a it's a nice variety and less not

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Speaker 1: RV lots these days, they're huge, okay, but the weather's miserable.

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Speaker 1: Who wants to look at r v's outside. Who wants

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Speaker 1: to look at boats outside? For crying out loud? Besides,

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Speaker 1: they're all shrink wrapped. So I mean this is an

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Speaker 1: ideal sit that that is great. So you'll how many

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Speaker 1: how many of the RV dealers are there.

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Speaker 3: There's going to be three that are going to be

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Speaker 3: bringing RVs, so Boot Compass, Holven's, which is a big one.

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Speaker 3: This will be i think their first show ever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're super excited about coming out this year.

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Speaker 3: They're great guys. They've been really fun to work with

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Speaker 3: and so we're I'm very excited to have them. United

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Speaker 3: Motorsports is working on getting some of their campers up

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Speaker 3: there as well. Okay, so we'll have, like, like you said,

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Speaker 3: a great variety.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3: It's the worst time a year to go look at

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Speaker 3: r v's outside and so why not just come on inside?

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Speaker 2: They're all here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, i mean, let's face it, the camp you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, so what a good place to go?

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Speaker 2: How many boat dealers?

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Speaker 3: Boat dealers and there's I'm at the whole floor covered

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Speaker 3: with them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, put me on the spot on how.

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Speaker 3: It's over ten?

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Speaker 1: All right, okay, go we can go get you on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: And what's the website? Renfro Productions dot com.

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Speaker 3: Right, yep, that or just Cincinnati Travel, Sports and boatshow

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Speaker 3: dot com as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, great to have you guys back in town.

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Speaker 1: You kick butt and we'll catch up with you down

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Speaker 1: the line, Mitch, and say hello to your dead.

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Speaker 2: If you would. Sounds good, I will all right with that.

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Speaker 1: We got to hit a break back with more Chip

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Speaker 1: Hard's Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: In a moment, they were back.

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Speaker 1: The Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WW, Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Mike Moore joins me.

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Speaker 1: He is the i'd say you a conservative, buck breaking

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Speaker 1: editor for the Ohio Outdoor News newspaper, the best paper

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Speaker 1: this state has ever seen in its history. All the

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Speaker 1: other ones have come and gone, and they all had

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Speaker 1: good people, which Mike, you and I knew, you know,

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Speaker 1: like Odie Snyder was an editor, Dan Armitage was an editor,

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Speaker 1: Ohio Sportsman, and you know great lake fishermen, and you

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Speaker 1: guys are still hanging.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty one year, Chip, and I thank you for

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Speaker 4: the compliment. Thank you for the compliment, and yeah this

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Speaker 4: is our twenty first year.

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Speaker 2: Buddy.

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Speaker 1: Well listen, hey, I really meant it, Otherwise I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have said it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I know that, I know that, I know you well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and so you guys, you know your your

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Speaker 1: your first issue of the year is out and oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, your your Ohio Insider column inside front page

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Speaker 1: with poaching column responses, Well, holy cow, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Huh?

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Speaker 4: I knew it. I wrote about a couple of cases

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Speaker 4: that the Divisional Wildlife prosecuted earlier in the fall, and

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Speaker 4: man did they did? People come out of the woodwork

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Speaker 4: to lend their opinion to that, which I love. I

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Speaker 4: loved it. I knew it would get a good response,

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Speaker 4: but like I said in that column, ship, it got more.

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Speaker 4: I got more letters on that topic than anything we've

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Speaker 1: And you know what, that doesn't surprise me, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then of course that damn story that keeps having

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Speaker 1: don't want to say his name, but it would have

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Speaker 1: been the record white tail, you know. And people think,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure you've heard this, Well it's

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Speaker 1: our we're it's our right to poach. We mean, we

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Speaker 1: might need to put food on the table. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: they're glorifying this guy for poaching what you know, probably

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Speaker 1: was the biggest you know, typical buck ever taken in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: And I was too kind two years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, why two years ago?

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Speaker 2: Why does that keep coming up?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, it's a it's a good question, Chip.

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Speaker 4: And the real interesting thing about this is my column

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Speaker 4: for the issue that's going out this week. Yeah, is

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Speaker 4: who killed a big, non typical two twenty eight and

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Speaker 4: he he's dealing with a lot of people saying he

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Speaker 4: poached it. And my column, I say it's social media

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Speaker 4: has gone crazy with this stuff. You know, every time

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Speaker 4: somebody kills a big buck, it's illegal. It's at shot

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Speaker 4: at night, they're trespassing. They did something wrong. And I

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Speaker 4: talked to this guy. He was in Champagne County. He

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Speaker 4: did not poach this buck. He shot it legally, been

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Speaker 4: chasing it for a while, but he had to deal

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Speaker 4: with all this rumor and indiendo, you know. So my

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Speaker 4: column deals with that in the January sixteenth issue. And

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Speaker 4: it's funny that you mentioned that, you know, Well.

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Speaker 1: It's it's sometimes, you know, with all the social media

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Speaker 1: out there. In god Ben, it's just overwhelming you know,

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Speaker 1: but I mean those of us n't quote the news business. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we got to follow this stuff. And Facebook is unfortunately

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Speaker 1: where a lot of it is coming up. So you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you really do on a daily basis, yea, on

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Speaker 4: social media. You know, we didn't deal with this ten

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Speaker 4: fifteen years ago, but it's here today and it's here

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Speaker 4: to stay.

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Speaker 2: It's an hourly basis.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And and then the people that say, well, you know

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Speaker 1: it's okay they needed to put food on the table. No,

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Speaker 1: it's a crime. There's a difference between right and wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's a law. It's illegal, okay. And I don't care

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Speaker 1: what species or fish or game we're talking about. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, well, just shut the hell up for

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Speaker 1: crying out loud if you don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Follow the rules, man, I mean, come on, everybody else

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Speaker 4: has to follow the rules. It's just like anything else. Chip,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, one bad apple spoils a whole bunch.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and you're gonna get caught.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, you know what, you are gonna get caught

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Speaker 1: everybody gets caught.

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Speaker 2: I don't care.

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Speaker 4: Everybody gets caught, big buck. Oh they always get caught.

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Speaker 2: Always. So how do you how.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel about the uh, you know, about the

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Speaker 2: Stick around.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a hell of a fun day at

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Speaker 1: We had Mike Moore, editor of Ohio Outdoor News. Okay, Mike,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're beginning to follow and I've had to

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Speaker 1: So going back even farther, there have been multiple uh

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Speaker 2: So this was not an isolated incident.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, you're talking about other couples, and

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're in lions there.

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Speaker 1: All the lions have come down out of high country

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Speaker 1: However, most difficult if you're not using dogs, because that's

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Speaker 4: And these people there against hunting, I mean that there's

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Speaker 1: Tell us about the Waldo, Ohio Coyote round up.

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Speaker 4: I've never been up to it. I don't know exactly

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Speaker 1: Well, clip being a chair editor and get up there

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Speaker 1: This is uh January sixteen to eighteen, so it's for

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Speaker 4: You know, absolutely. Man. I don't get a lot of

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I want you to do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So how can we best find Ohio Outdoor News Www.

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Speaker 4: Outdoornews dot com, backslash Ohio.

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Speaker 1: All right, you keep up the good work and we'll

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Speaker 3: Michael, Thank you, partner.

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Speaker 1: Okay, see you bye bye. With that, I'm out of

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, you have until tomorrow to put in

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Speaker 1: You don't have to hunt and fish, but you certainly

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Speaker 1: got to know about it. Moving on, Tennessee is now

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