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Speaker 1: We haven't really dived in the actual game that happened yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We have had a lot of big picture Seahawks conversations,

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Speaker 1: primarily circling around the head of the quarterback. But Hugh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we learned pretty early on what when Pete

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Speaker 1: Carroll was the head coach of this team, what was

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Speaker 1: he going to be really good at, what was he

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Speaker 1: going to emphasize, and what he was going to struggle in.

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Speaker 1: We knew that Pete carroll teams were not going to

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Speaker 1: turn the ball over a lot for the most part,

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Speaker 1: and partially because he liked to play close to the vest,

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Speaker 1: but he also really emphasized the turnover. The negative side

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Speaker 1: of Pete Carroll, we knew that there would be one, two,

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Speaker 1: maybe three inexplicable delay of game penalties every single game

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Speaker 1: that Pete Carroll coached. It was just unbelievable how many

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Speaker 1: times Russell Wilson would walk to the line three two,

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Speaker 1: one oh delay of game. We haven't seen that under

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald. But what we have seen under Mike McDonald

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Speaker 1: is this maddening just inability to want to use timeouts

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Speaker 1: in the last two minutes of the first half, and

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Speaker 1: it seemed like game after game after game, and let

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Speaker 1: me just reset it. I watched it right before the

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Speaker 1: coming back on, so I knew I know exactly what

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Speaker 1: happened here down to the second. So the play before

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Speaker 1: the two minute warning was the play that should have

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Speaker 1: been a face mask and a horse caller sending Jackson

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Speaker 1: the clock running. That took it down to the two

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Speaker 1: minute warning. Seattle has three timeouts left. Zach Charbay gets

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Speaker 1: He gets tackled with about one fifty five left on

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Speaker 1: the clock. Now, to me, I'm always, you know, either

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Speaker 1: at my house watching the game, and I just feel like, instinctively,

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Speaker 1: we've all done this right time out. We've all instinctively

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Speaker 1: time out, nothing And instead of calling a timeout, and

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Speaker 1: hurry to the line and run a play. No, they

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Speaker 1: take thirty four seconds off the play clock before taking

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Speaker 1: the snap at one nineteen, in which they nearly throw

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Speaker 1: a pick.

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Speaker 2: I think it was picked off and then it was

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Speaker 2: said not a pick.

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Speaker 1: Then they run Walker on an inside handoff instead of

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Speaker 2: They take it down.

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Speaker 1: To fifty seconds, still have not used a timeout, left

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Speaker 1: zero sets of urgency. Then the next play, Walker gets

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Speaker 1: that little catch in the flat and he fumbles, but

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Speaker 1: he recovers his own fumble that takes it down to

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Speaker 1: twenty five seconds. They run a sneak for the first

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Speaker 1: down on fourth down and don't get it.

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Speaker 2: They waste all those timeouts. Hugh, my god.

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Speaker 1: What is going on not only in McDonald's mind in

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Speaker 1: that in those two minutes there yesterday, but why is

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that he's not going for the touchdown.

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Speaker 3: I think in his mind he's just saying, I want

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Speaker 3: three points. And remember Seattle was going to get the

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Speaker 3: ball start the third quarter, and so in his mind

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Speaker 3: he's thinking, there's a swing, let me get three points,

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Speaker 3: and I'm willing to expire the time in order to

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Speaker 3: just play for three in order to make sure that

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Speaker 3: they don't get three back. Remember with these kickoff rules,

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Speaker 3: now the average starting field position has started, you know,

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Speaker 3: upwards of five yards closer right to the end zone,

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Speaker 3: right where it was under thirty Now it's you know,

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Speaker 3: closer to thirty five. Courect I touched back is at

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Speaker 3: thirty five. Sorry, but I do want to ask this question.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's irrelevant to this particular time in the game.

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Speaker 1: Why should he worry about the Panther scoring when they

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Speaker 1: have The Seahawks defense has allowed sixty five yards on

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Speaker 3: You didn't ask me what I thought of that. You

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Speaker 3: ask me what is he thinking? Goes all right, fair,

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Speaker 3: fair enough. So those are two different questions. Now if

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Speaker 3: you want to ask me, do I agree with that? Yes,

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Speaker 3: I've had a number of times saying, you know, use

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Speaker 3: going through the uprights as the clock is going to

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Speaker 3: double zero. Yes, that's their idea. That's his vision, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's fair, and it's happened a

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Speaker 1: for him, even though it's been an absolute fire drill.

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Speaker 1: He has gone to the locker room with Jason Myers

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Speaker 1: kicking a field goal to end the half. I believe

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Speaker 1: it's happened at least twice in this situation. It just

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Speaker 1: always seems like instead of like for me, I like

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Speaker 1: charbona run. Okay, set yourself up, take a breath, you know,

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Speaker 1: then then maybe call two plays it in the timeout

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think he just doesn't want to give

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Speaker 3: clear you know, when you're talking about that play, that

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Speaker 3: not to be an interception. You know, there's something going

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Speaker 3: on on that play that I think was a key

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Speaker 3: component to this game and and I think a key

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Speaker 3: component to the way Seattle needs to operate moving forward.

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Speaker 3: And if you look on that play, balls on the

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Speaker 3: tried to hit Cooper Cup over the middle. You just

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Speaker 3: described the play and it was it was punched out

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Speaker 3: and then they thought the defensive lineman intercepted it. But

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Speaker 3: was it Zabel or somebody who punched it out? Right

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Speaker 3: On that play, Darnold is looking left to what's called

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Speaker 3: an Omaha route, the quick out route, and uh he

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Speaker 3: you got j C. Horn the corner, just planning and

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Speaker 3: not honoring any deep ball and there's no safety whoever

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Speaker 3: So j C. Horn, he's got to back up. And

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Speaker 3: this was a common theme watching the tape this morning

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Speaker 3: think that Clint Kubiak and it wasn't just squatting, which

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Speaker 3: just run by the corner. Yep, right. But it's also

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Speaker 3: they played a lot of what's called quarters coverage to

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Speaker 3: you want to attack that. The safety he's looking at

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Speaker 3: the what's called the number two receiver counting outside in

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Speaker 3: That might be the tight end, that might be the slot.

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Speaker 3: So the safety he's looking. If that number two receiver

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Speaker 3: outside of the safety, the widest receiver there, he's going vertical.

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Speaker 3: As long as the slot receivers or the tight end

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Speaker 3: to man on the on the corner, on the corner back.

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Speaker 3: And if you run a post there, that that is

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Speaker 3: a perfect coverage to run the post. They hit Jacksonville

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Speaker 3: I believe I could be that that might have been

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Speaker 3: they've hit that a few other times on the quarters

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Speaker 3: beat or the post, throw it up to JSN. He's

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Speaker 3: such a great job of finishing. I'm really appalled that

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Speaker 3: that Clint Kobiak didn't call any go routes or any

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Speaker 3: if you just allow corners to squat like that, right, brother,

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Speaker 3: you're in for a long ride. You're just you're allowing

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Speaker 3: them to play unsound. And then so when Darnold, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's like, damn, that guy's squatting. Any he didn't throw

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Speaker 3: the home on it was left he comes back. The

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Speaker 3: concept to it was a four man concept called a

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Speaker 3: Z spot, actually double Z spot. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: should have thrown outside to Jake Bobo as opposed to

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Speaker 3: to inside on Cooper Cup. They're both running what's called

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Speaker 3: spot routes, which are slant and stop, and then you

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Speaker 3: got to swing in a corner route and he could

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Speaker 3: have thrown to barner Carolina bust Of The coverage barner

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Speaker 3: opportunity for a big play as well. So a lot

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Speaker 3: of things going wrong for Seattle and that. But a

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Speaker 3: big takeaway for Clint Kubiak is you got to call

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Speaker 3: more aggressively. You got to see this squatting action. He's

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Speaker 3: on the he's on the sidelines, he's got to get

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Speaker 3: information from the booth saying, hey, these guys are squatting.

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Speaker 3: So there's a communication breakdown as led Zeppelin would describe it.

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Speaker 3: And they've got to they've got to take advantage when

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the Z spot, I actually wrote that down

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Speaker 1: during the game because it seems like the plays that

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Speaker 1: work the best for Darnold that I've noticed are he

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Speaker 2: Was a quick one, two, three, get it out of

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Speaker 1: And a lot of times it's that slant and stop

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Speaker 1: route that you talked about. Another time that it seems

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Speaker 1: to work a lot is when he is under center,

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Speaker 1: he fakes the run left and he boots back to

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Speaker 1: But what we saw yesterday three different times when they

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Speaker 2: All three of the.

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Speaker 1: First time three times that were runs, they were negative plays.

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Speaker 1: It was a battered down play if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 1: A sack on the second drive, the ten yard sack

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Speaker 1: a JSN kind of a throwback thing where he got caught.

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Speaker 1: He caught the ball and was like a loss of

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Speaker 1: three or four on the play. So what's going on

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Speaker 1: frequently disasters happening when that happened.

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Speaker 3: Well, they've got some big plays with him going to

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Speaker 3: his left. He has the ability to do it. I

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Speaker 3: scouted him at Minnesota and he showed that and hitting

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Speaker 3: that over route where he fakes the run to the

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Speaker 3: good athlete, and he's got the over route. That's the

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Speaker 3: intermediate crossing route coming from the other side, and guys

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Speaker 3: usually on the dead run. But because you're running as

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Speaker 3: you feel comfortable throwing to your left, it can work.

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Speaker 3: I just think that more often than not, the ratio

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Speaker 2: We got a couple of minutes left.

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Speaker 1: I want to break down the interception that Darnald did throw.

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Speaker 3: That's where you get the nice easy touchdowns. They ran

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Speaker 3: We remember him, right, He's he originally while while Darnold

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Speaker 3: And and so now when Jackson Smith and Jigba he

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Speaker 2: Now because Jackson had a yard and a half, you know,

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Speaker 3: Two and a half yards two and a half. Yet yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, had he had just a split second,

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Speaker 5: Another bit of a sluggish start for the offensively yesterday.

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Speaker 5: There's been in a few of those here in the

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Speaker 6: And uh so I think we just got to keep

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Speaker 7: Our major calls.

434
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Speaker 6: These are going to be kind of our secondary calls

435
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Speaker 6: based on situation and the game unfolds in a way

436
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 6: that you don't expect. So it's hard to attribute what

437
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 6: a team is initially planning. It's hard to be you know,

438
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 6: you're not and you can only go by what they

439
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 6: ended up calling and what situations. There's sometimes where teams

440
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,479
Speaker 6: are calling different front structures that maybe we anticipated as

441
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 6: like lead structures and coverages, and sometimes you know, they're

442
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 6: doing the things that we assume that they were going

443
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 6: to do too so, but that's the NFL. You know,

444
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 6: they're allowed to game plan, they're allowed to you know,

445
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 6: they're allowed to run whatever they want on defense, and

446
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 6: it's our job to kind of diagnose it and apply

447
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 6: our rules and go play high level football.

448
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 3: And how have you felt about the way that Josh

449
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: Jones has played these past two games, stepping in for

450
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: Charles Cross putting the run game.

451
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 8: It's looked like he had a really nice block on

452
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 8: Sharp's twenty five yard run of that third and fifteen play.

453
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Josh has done a great job.

454
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 6: Really excited to see how he's played, stepped in and

455
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 6: been ready to play, and she played hard, played.

456
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 7: Simon sound, playing our style ball. So really happy for him.

457
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,479
Speaker 7: Done a great job to hold an opponent without a

458
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 7: pass play longer than eight yards for an entire game.

459
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 3: Like, what does that tell you about what you guys

460
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: were doing while in past defense?

461
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 6: It's funny, you didn't really I didn't. You didn't know

462
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 6: that until they they told us after the game. I'll

463
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 6: just I'll say this, our guys, our guys played a

464
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 6: great game. You know, they played really hard. Our communication

465
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 6: was on point. I felt like we were ahead of

466
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 6: plays just in terms of being ready to go, like

467
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 6: cleats in the ground, making our calls, looking at the

468
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 6: right stuff, and then just playing really hard to the

469
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 6: echo of the whistle. And and that's that's DB's and

470
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 6: front guys included. You know, there's a couple of rushes

471
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Speaker 6: that you know that Bryce was able to extend plays

472
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 6: and he's a really good player and he's gonna that's

473
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Speaker 6: gonna happen.

474
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 7: But there's some rushland things can clean up. But for

475
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 7: the for the most part, our guys rushed really well.

476
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 6: And then and they rushed and they played off one another,

477
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 6: and I think that that really helped, you know, the

478
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 6: secondary also you know, come to life as well.

479
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: Any better sense of Rasisi he eat and what his

480
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: situation might be.

481
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 6: And I'm gonna be I'm gonna be very disappointing in

482
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 6: this one. But I really don't have any updates. It

483
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 6: seems seems like it's going well with with with Rashid,

484
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 6: with those other guys right now. Honestly, we just we

485
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 6: just don't We don't have any like update on like

486
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 6: time frames or anything like that. So we're really going

487
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 6: to be playing that throughout the week.

488
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to get you in trouble, but what'd

489
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 5: you think of the play that he got hurt on?

490
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 6: I'll just say that there's some there's some plays throughout

491
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 6: the game that that we're going to follow up with

492
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 6: and but that that's that's par for the course. I mean,

493
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 6: it's just just trying to understand what's getting called, what's

494
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 6: not and why, and obviously we want to defend our

495
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 6: guys and make sure that that they're not putting in

496
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 6: harm's way.

497
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad Greg asked that question Hugh and Jackson, because

498
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: i mean, yeah, an old school football, you know, nineteen

499
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: ninety three football, the football that Hugh Millen was playing

500
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL and is not even nothing. There's nothing

501
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: on that play when he got spun out of bounds.

502
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty five football, I mean he was,

503
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: he was contacted, he was drive driven out of bounds,

504
00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: and he.

505
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: Was six feet out of bounds.

506
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: When he was spun and ended up on his head.

507
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised there wasn't a flag there, guys.

508
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought the coach should have got the

509
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: heck out of the way because I thought he was

510
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: hurt on a leg whip where he went shin to

511
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: shin with the guy. You know how that is when

512
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: you know in the dark and you hit the coffee table.

513
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: So I know, when he got up and he was

514
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: walking fine, I thought, all right, well that was probably

515
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: just a shin thing. But the protocol that scares the

516
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 3: heck out of me because you just don't know, you

517
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 3: don't know what if he's going to pass it or not.

518
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 3: But I just feel like this he has become a

519
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: really needed guy, and particularly watching that tape offensively, you

520
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: know here I'm talking about how I think a big

521
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 3: part of their failures yesterday was that they didn't throw

522
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: the deep ball, either the post when they got the

523
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: quarters covers of that side, or a go route on

524
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: almost anything that wasn't covered too any off coverage. I

525
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 3: would have thrown the go route, and you know, with

526
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: that kind of heat that he brings, he'd be the

527
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: perfect guy to throw it.

528
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: Oh Jackson.

529
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: It's I always feel like it's easier for me to

530
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: complain about the officials when I win.

531
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: Then it doesn't sound like I'm whining, of course.

532
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: But my god, I mean that the face mask slash

533
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: horse collar on JSN. Should the fourth down spot at

534
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: the end of the half have been looked at?

535
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't.

536
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: Did Mike Jackson really intercept the ball in the back

537
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: of the end zone? Did Rashid should Rashid Shaheed on

538
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: his concussion play gotten fifteen? I mean, there was a

539
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: lot of plays there that all seem like they win

540
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: against the Seahawks.

541
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 8: I don't know if you guys use the same tool

542
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 8: that I do because I'm an instinctively, maybe it's the

543
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 8: soccer in me that just instinctively thinks that all refs

544
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 8: are terrible. But when I get a chance to watch

545
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 8: it around, a lot of people. And I was at

546
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 8: Top Golf on Sunday morning watching the game. I kind

547
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 8: of judge how good a referee is by the percentage

548
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 8: of people around me being angry with the referee. And

549
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 8: if it's like fifty percent of the people being angry,

550
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 8: I'm like, are the rest probably doing a decent.

551
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: Job but they're all Seahawk fans, then well, yeah, that's

552
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: the thing.

553
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 8: It's again, if it's fifty percent of people saying that

554
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 8: this referee sucks, it.

555
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: Means the referee is probably pretty good.

556
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 7: I got you.

557
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 8: So there was probably ninety to ninety five percent of

558
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 8: people who were screaming at the TVs what the hell

559
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 8: are the refs looking at while everybody's shooting in golf club.

560
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 8: But I think that that is a good barometer to

561
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 8: say that that was Referees were dog crap on Sunday yesterday.

562
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Clil Gray Hue overall poorly officiated game.

563
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 4: I do.

564
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: I think they missed a lot of stuff. I think

565
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: one of the things that bothered me was the touchdown

566
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: drive that Carolina had to pull them to within a

567
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: touchdown and you know, and infuse energy back into that stadium.

568
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: There was a third down at a round midfield, but

569
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: I think closer to like the Carolina forty ish. There

570
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: was a third down. They threw a bubble screen sideways

571
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: and Witherspoon was in the alley just in a perfect

572
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: position to come inside out and with his speed, and

573
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: he had helped to the outside, like like that was

574
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: going to be shut down and they were gonna be punting.

575
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: And yet the receiver that was blocking Witherspoon just grabbed

576
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: him by the shoulder yanked him like his body went

577
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: half spun around like that was such a blatant hold.

578
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: I don't know how they missed this other than Dick,

579
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: I think, you know, maybe Jackson. You know, I'm a

580
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: huge advocate and proponent for full time officials and those

581
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: officials spending their time speeding up their eyes. If I

582
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 3: was in charge of officials, there wouldn't be one guy

583
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: other than the head referee over the age of thirty five.

584
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: They'd be a bunch of young guys with flat bellies,

585
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: in great shape, and they would spend the entire week

586
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: with virtual training. That would have been the thirtieth game

587
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: that they officiated that week was on Sunday, and all

588
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: this stuff they do in virtual reality would be at

589
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: like one hundred and thirty one hundred and fifty percent speed.

590
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: They do it for, should do it for.

591
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 8: There's just a problem here, guys, because the fact of

592
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 8: the matter is is that there's referee shortages all over

593
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 8: and you're seeing it among the ages of referees too.

594
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 8: And I think it's become almost a product of us

595
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 8: continuing to bash referee. So it's almost a cirt killer

596
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 8: in this. But but yeah, if anything's gonna kill sports

597
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 8: at the youth level, especially, it's the amount of referees

598
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 8: available because they're just there aren't that many anymore.

599
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: That's true. I was on a football board for youth football,

600
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: and getting officials is a problem that that Jackson I

601
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: do not think is a problem for the NFL. I mean,

602
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: these guys, I haven't updated in a couple of years,

603
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: but a couple of years ago these got the average

604
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: salary is like two hundred and forty thousand dollars.

605
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys that would die to be

606
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: NFL Absolutely.

607
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: If you said, okay, we've got a new we've got

608
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: a new standard where you're going to be a full

609
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: time official. Even if you didn't give a raise, you

610
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: can make two forty, which is what the medium was

611
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: two three years ago. At two hundred and forty, there'd

612
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: be a stack of applicants. Is all the way up

613
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: to the ceiling for guys to be an NFL rough

614
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: even if it was. My vision is like you have

615
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: these little portal sites around, you know, let's say like

616
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: Denver and Chicago and Atlanta, you know, maybe five regional spots,

617
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: and they all you have to go. You gotta go

618
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: to work nine to five, and you spend, you spend,

619
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: you're in great physical training. Then you you study the rules.

620
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: So all these you know, when you see these guys,

621
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: uh convene and they have to talk about the rules,

622
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: like like that's that just ticks me off because think

623
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: of all the time that they're wasting.

624
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 9: If they are if they are being drilled on the

625
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 9: rules every single day twenty percent of their day, that

626
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 9: way they never have to have these damn lengthy discussions

627
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 9: to figure.

628
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: Out, Hey, what's the rule? Remind me of the rule? No,

629
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: they would know it. But most importantly, you got pilots,

630
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: you got race car drivers, got the military, you the

631
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: virtual reality. And by the way, I know, I don't

632
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: play mad at all but my kids do, and I've

633
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: seen them in the practice mode. All the technology you

634
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: would need to speed up the rise is right there

635
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: in Madden. You could just license it right off of Madden.

636
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: There's enough technology in that. But the point is you

637
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: practice like like and I'll get done talking here, but

638
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: you got me rolling. If you put them and take

639
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: a dB. What's one of the ones is like block

640
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: charge dick in in basketball? Right? What past interference did

641
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: the defender get there before the ball or after? If

642
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: you get a back judge and he is, okay, we're

643
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: going to show you fifty of these at you know,

644
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty percent speed. You and you got

645
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: a button was it ball first or defender first? And

646
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: you watch fifty of those and you come say, hey,

647
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: you did pretty good. You got you know, you got

648
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: forty one out of fifty. Well you keep doing it again.

649
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 3: Well now now a year later, you're getting fifty out

650
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: of fifty every time. And the guy saying, crank it

651
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: up to one hundred and seventy percent speed. And then

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Speaker 3: now those guys when they walk into that stadium and

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Speaker 3: you give me one generation and and you know the term,

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Speaker 3: uh eyes like an eagle I will have a new

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Speaker 3: generation of kids saying eyes like an NFL official, so

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Speaker 3: it will be known to have had the best eyes

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Speaker 3: in all planet Earth, because they are trained to.

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Speaker 8: Have before you break dick. The question then, is is

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Speaker 8: the NFL just that cheap or do they like the

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Speaker 8: controversy of us discussing the reference and.

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Speaker 3: Why they would like the controversy.

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Speaker 2: It's it's never bausive