WEBVTT - 1-12-26 Willie with Ken Kober

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<v Speaker 1>By Billy Cunningham, the Great American. Welcome this Monday afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>the tri State. Lots of stuff going on. U see's

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<v Speaker 1>playing no better, in fact, maybe worse. Xavior beat Providence

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<v Speaker 1>the Friars. When you beat up the Friars, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily a good thing. But Xavior's on the uptick. You

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<v Speaker 1>see on the downtick. And now Tony Pike tells me

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<v Speaker 1>the UC football team as a wide receiver from the

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<v Speaker 1>College of Mines. Understand they deal with coal and mining

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<v Speaker 1>and spelunking activities in West Virginia. So the UC football

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<v Speaker 1>team's in trouble. But until then, your friend and mine

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<v Speaker 1>is Ken Cober, the president of the CEO and the

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<v Speaker 1>head of the Union Lodge sixty nine. Since night, Police

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<v Speaker 1>and Ken Cober, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And first of all, I want to reference this article

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<v Speaker 1>you put out on the date of January the eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>in which you claim to secretly pay the family of

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<v Speaker 1>cop killer Rodney Hinton potentially millions of dollars. Now Fanon Rucker,

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<v Speaker 1>who purports to be the attorney for the family, denies

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<v Speaker 1>it in a way but not really allegedly. In about

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<v Speaker 1>an hour about one o'clock today, there will be a

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<v Speaker 1>secret session on City Council indicating whether the council will

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<v Speaker 1>pay the hint and family millions of dollars. So, before

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<v Speaker 1>we get in more of the facts, people may have

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten what happened several months back. What degree do you

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<v Speaker 1>think of a probability as city council in about an

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<v Speaker 1>hour going to negotiate a million dollar settlement when it

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<v Speaker 1>appears that two councilmen has come out against it. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it appears Fanon Rutger, the lawyer, indicats he may don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about it. Where are your sources, Ken Cobra,

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<v Speaker 1>and where do we go from here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I got sources inside city Hall that are saying

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<v Speaker 2>that this is absolutely going on. And if you read

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<v Speaker 2>what City Manager Cheryl Long said, she didn't deny that

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<v Speaker 2>there were negotiations going on. She's saying that there's no

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<v Speaker 2>agreement that's been reached, which is nonsense because I know

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a tentative agreement. She could play on words

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<v Speaker 2>of saying, well, we don't have an agreement, Well, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a tentative agreement. But the reality is they're negotiating

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<v Speaker 2>with this family and you know, I believe that not

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<v Speaker 2>only the council members that have come out, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are more council members that are completely against this as well.

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<v Speaker 1>This happened, Honor, about April to thirtieth. Let's go back

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<v Speaker 1>in time a little bit. And as I recall, the

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<v Speaker 1>young man that was killed to just turn eighteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>his name was Ryan Hinton. He and his he and

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<v Speaker 1>his May used the word gang, were stealing cars and

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<v Speaker 1>then either chopping them up or use them for robberies.

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<v Speaker 1>His other partners who are a guy named Jarrell Austin

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<v Speaker 1>and de Anthony Bullocks and Sincere Grigsby. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure the status of those other three individuals. But tell

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<v Speaker 1>the American people what Ryan Hinton did, Honor about May

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<v Speaker 1>April thirtieth, May first that caused this caused his own death.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he had officers that located as stolen vehicle. You

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<v Speaker 2>have the the rear of an apartment complex. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately Ryan Hitton got out of the vehicle to run

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<v Speaker 2>from the police with a gun in his hand, dropped

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<v Speaker 2>the gun and then picked it up. As he's running

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<v Speaker 2>towards officers, points a gun at an officer and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the officer did what he had to do to defend

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<v Speaker 2>his life, and unfortunately the result of that was Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>Hinton was killed.

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<v Speaker 1>And the basis of the lawsuit would be what because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I recall, Connie Pillage, the new county prosecutor, said,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a justified shooting. The only way to pay

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<v Speaker 1>money if it's unjustified. We'll talk about the eight point

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<v Speaker 1>two million dollars down the road for the protesters who

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<v Speaker 1>were arrested. But the basis of this would be a

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<v Speaker 1>wrongful shooting. And the county prosecutor, Connie Pillage, said this

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<v Speaker 1>was a justified shooting. And so as a police officer,

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<v Speaker 1>how outrageous would it be for you and the men

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<v Speaker 1>and women in blue one thousand strong, maybe nine to

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<v Speaker 1>fifty strong if the city took tax dollars to pay

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<v Speaker 1>off the estate Ryan Hinton, when that was the precipitating

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<v Speaker 1>factor when his father, Rodney Hinton, killed Deputy Sheriff Larry

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<v Speaker 1>Henderson honor about May second, what is the degree of

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<v Speaker 1>outrage if they would pay millions of dollars to the

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<v Speaker 1>family of Ryan Hinton.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, sure everybody's outraged.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you had Connie Pillage that took weeks, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>went over all the evidence, you know, to make a

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<v Speaker 2>decision that she thought was right based off of what

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<v Speaker 2>the law sense. And she made the right decision. The

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<v Speaker 2>officer was cleared of any wrongdoing, so that he followed training,

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<v Speaker 2>the officer followed the law, and then to turn around

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<v Speaker 2>and then to offer a settlement to a family. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's unfathomable. And understand it's it's weird because this

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<v Speaker 2>is a little bit more complex. And I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is why officers are even more outraged, is the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the next day, you know, the father of this

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<v Speaker 2>kid goes out and viciously murders a deputy. Uh. It

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, as I said in the press release,

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<v Speaker 2>crime does pay in Cincinnati, and it's being proven time

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<v Speaker 2>and time again that that is the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, according to the media accounts, Anon Rutgers says, it's

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<v Speaker 1>news to him. So, but your sources deep in the

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<v Speaker 1>battles of city Hall eight to one plum streets say

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<v Speaker 1>that even though the attorney Fanon Rucker, a former judge who,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, whose father sat on the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>of Indiana. I've known Fanon Rutger for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>He is saying it's news to him as to the settlement.

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<v Speaker 1>Were they playing with words to indicate negotiations were underway

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<v Speaker 1>and that somehow Fanon Rucker was more or less giving

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<v Speaker 1>a non denial denial. I sound like a politician, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>No, exactly if you do listen what Fanon Rutger said,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, no, we've not filed a lawsuit. That's all

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<v Speaker 2>he would say. He didn't say we're not negotiating. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying that there's some kind of settlement that's coming.

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<v Speaker 2>He just said that we haven't fouled a lawsuit, which

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<v Speaker 2>is true. They threatened a lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Result, you know, the city has been negotiating for you

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<v Speaker 2>know this to come to a settlement agreement, which they

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<v Speaker 2>said is absolutely unfathomable that they would do that. Just

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<v Speaker 2>the lack of support that it shows for law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>officers is pretty telling.

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<v Speaker 1>And ken Kobert going back a little bit, Emily smart

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<v Speaker 1>Warner is the city solicitor and she's the one that

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<v Speaker 1>settled the lawsuit filed by alphons Go Hartstein. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>he's an acou liberal lawyer, but he's very competent, very good.

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<v Speaker 1>We were co counsel in the case fifteen twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was impressed with him. That guy knows the law.

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<v Speaker 1>And he convinced counsel to pay eight point two million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars to dozens of individuals who were rightfully arrested for

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<v Speaker 1>wrongfully protesting relative to the situations about the killing of

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<v Speaker 1>George Floyd. And suddenly that eight point two million came

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<v Speaker 1>flying out out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you what did you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Because they were, of course the county was involved, deputy sheriffs,

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<v Speaker 1>but this city was the main agency that arrested individuals

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<v Speaker 1>who were trespassing and committing acts of violence. What degree

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<v Speaker 1>of outrage did you have about the eight point two

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's the same way, you know, back then, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was still a patrol officer. I was working third

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<v Speaker 2>shift downtown dealing with this, and all we did was

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what we were told to do. And in cases

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<v Speaker 2>like this, where there's gonna be mass arrests, you have

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<v Speaker 2>the law department that advises, you know, the police chief

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<v Speaker 2>who goes down, you know, the chain of command as too.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what we're going to charge people with, This

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<v Speaker 2>is what we're gonna do, and these officers did nothing

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<v Speaker 2>but exactly what they were told to do. And as

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<v Speaker 2>a direct result of that, because of the Law Department

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<v Speaker 2>and the mistakes that were made from the Law department,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they dismissed all these charges and then settle

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<v Speaker 2>with eight point two million dollars. That just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the hits just keep on coming for CPD and it's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely ridiculous that we're dealing with these things.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm aware that Joe Deeters had conversations with the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor at that point, John Cranley, about what to do

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<v Speaker 1>and how to do it, and back and forth. Joe said, Look,

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<v Speaker 1>they were told to get out of the streets. They

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<v Speaker 1>were told it was an unlawful assembly. There was bullhorns

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<v Speaker 1>telling individuals, Okay, enough is enough. You can't block Fine Street,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't block Broadway. You got to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the streets. Quit doing what you're doing. Since you were

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<v Speaker 1>a third shift officer, how many warnings did these so

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<v Speaker 1>called protesters slash criminals receive before they were arrested and cited.

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<v Speaker 1>You just went pulling people out of streets. What did

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<v Speaker 1>you do to warn them about what was going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>They were getting dozens of warnings to tell them to leave, disperse,

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<v Speaker 2>go home. That way we can avoid having to arrest

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<v Speaker 2>these folks. That was the last That was like the

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<v Speaker 2>last straw, as.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't want to arrest you all, but we're going to.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't comply with what we're telling you to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and they continue to, you'll run them up, breaking windows

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<v Speaker 2>out of businesses, things like that. That forced our hands.

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<v Speaker 2>So we arrested these people. And then now five years

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<v Speaker 2>later they turn around and let's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just pay them for it.

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<v Speaker 2>If I would have known that they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>give roughly twelve thirteen thousand dollars a person, I just

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<v Speaker 2>sent my wife and kids down there.

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<v Speaker 3>And for what.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, these individuals were not protesters. They were

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<v Speaker 1>committing criminal acts in public, and they weren't protesting legally

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<v Speaker 1>time manner in place. They were not doing that. These

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<v Speaker 1>were criminal acts committed by individuals who, in their own

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<v Speaker 1>minds were well intended, but they committed crimes. And the

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<v Speaker 1>last thing you wanted to do as a cop at

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<v Speaker 1>that point was to arrest anybody because it means you

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<v Speaker 1>left the street. If you had really arrested someone, and

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<v Speaker 1>one or two or three cops had to be involved.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a handcuff them with zip ties, take them

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<v Speaker 1>over to the Justice center, process them. It took you

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<v Speaker 1>off the street. So it incentivized other people to commit

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<v Speaker 1>more criminal acts and to pay them money for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Crime does pay.

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<v Speaker 1>And secondly, you know, I've tried cases in federal court

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<v Speaker 1>and unlike Hamilton County, the jurors of federal court cases

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<v Speaker 1>come from southern Ohio, go all the way over to

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia to Hamilton County up south of Columbus. The

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<v Speaker 1>jurors drawn from those counties do not have the same

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<v Speaker 1>view of criminal justice is the City of Cincinnati has.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very difficult to put a jury in the

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<v Speaker 1>box in federal court to have them award criminals millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars. In fact, it's very difficult. But Emily smart

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<v Speaker 1>and Warner, the city solicitor, said, look, we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen in federal court. Sometimes you got

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<v Speaker 1>to tee it up. You got to say, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to agree to pay eight million dollars to these individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>Let a jury in the box tell us what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You were aware of the fact, Ken Kober that the

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<v Speaker 1>jurors and federal cases are drawn not from the city

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati, but from Warren County, Butler County, Adams County,

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<v Speaker 1>Claremont County, and Brown County. And those jurors do not

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<v Speaker 1>look kindly upon individuals breaking out windows, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, So why not try the case right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not only that, let's let's not forget that we

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<v Speaker 2>had an officer, thank god, we were all wearing kevlar helmets,

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<v Speaker 2>that was shot in the head, hands up, get shot

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<v Speaker 2>with it. Thank god that they said the kevlar helmets

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<v Speaker 2>stopped the round from penetrating him. But I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>likely would have been a fatal shooting. So these weren't

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<v Speaker 2>people that were just standing on sidewalks with signs. These

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<v Speaker 2>were people that were out violently committing crimes. And somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, we just decide that we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>pay them out. It doesn't make any good sense and

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<v Speaker 2>it certainly shows, you know, to the officers will question

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not they're actually being supported.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Cobert, did you ever apprehend the guy who shot

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<v Speaker 1>the police officer in the head.

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<v Speaker 3>No, as far as I know that, that person was

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<v Speaker 3>never actually caught.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you're talking about hundreds and hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 2>in the street and you know around gets fired, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're just nearly impossible to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>locate these people.

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<v Speaker 1>So very possibly the person who tried to kill the

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<v Speaker 1>police officer will get about twenty thousand dollars from the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Cincinnati for his efforts.

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<v Speaker 3>It's entirely possible. I don't know that we'll ever know.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's so we'll see what happens after one

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock to day now. Thirdly, I have this story out

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<v Speaker 1>of the US Department of Justice that los that's you,

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement officers have about seven to eight years less

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<v Speaker 1>life expectancy because of what you do. It estimated all calls.

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<v Speaker 1>And they've studied this thing for many years, in fact decades,

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<v Speaker 1>and the takeaway is at the standardized mortality rates that

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<v Speaker 1>cops like you suffer, including organizational pressures, traumatic events, longer

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<v Speaker 1>regular work hours, hazards negatively affecting health. Little known about

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<v Speaker 1>the specifics, whether it's heart disease or cancer or other difficulties.

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<v Speaker 1>Goes on to say that most prior research limited by

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<v Speaker 1>one or more factors. We have found that these factors

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<v Speaker 1>indicate that deputy sheriffs and police officers, especially in major cities,

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<v Speaker 1>live seven to eight years less than the average citizen.

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<v Speaker 1>Your comments about your profession, It.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't surprise me when you see the things that officers

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<v Speaker 2>have to see, things that they have to do, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>year in and year out over a twenty five thirty

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<v Speaker 2>year career. You know, the stress that's upon them, not

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<v Speaker 2>only not only from the street, but administrative stress. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't surprise me a bit. But you know, officers still

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<v Speaker 2>sign up to go do this job. They do it

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<v Speaker 2>faithfully for twenty five thirty years, and the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>that they ask in return is one to have a

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<v Speaker 2>fair wage and two to be supported you know when

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<v Speaker 2>when things happen that become public. Those are the only

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<v Speaker 2>two things that they really ask for. And unfortunately, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes the cities falls short in those those things.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ken Covert talking about PTSD for soldiers. This study

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<v Speaker 1>indicates that suicide among police officers, deputy sheriffs, ice, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Is three times greater than the average citizen. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>aware that not just cancer, heart disease, other activities, but

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<v Speaker 1>that the suicide rate among police is three times the

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<v Speaker 1>average citizen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've unfortunately seen and it seems like it's increased as

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<v Speaker 2>of late, where we've had a couple of officers that

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<v Speaker 2>have committed suicide. We just had he was a state

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<v Speaker 2>trooper on New Year's Morning in Ohio. It's something that

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<v Speaker 2>is very difficult, and I do appreciate the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at least departments now in Cincinnati's one of

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<v Speaker 2>them that's getting a wellness unit that is providing resources.

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<v Speaker 2>But the hard part is getting officers to take those

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<v Speaker 2>resources and to utilize them. And it's difficult, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a culture that's it's gonna have to be broken. The

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<v Speaker 2>stigma has got to be broken for officers that just

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<v Speaker 2>bury it deep down and they just think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just deal with all of the violence and things

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<v Speaker 2>that I've seen over my career. And unfortunately, sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>too late for some of them and they end up

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<v Speaker 2>taking their lives. And that's something that we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>prevent here.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, many average citizens don't report to work and

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<v Speaker 1>then find themselves in an accident scene in which two

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<v Speaker 1>or three bodies are bleeding out horribly. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>a regular event. You and the firefighters. I think about

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Dickey, friends of mine in the city of Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>that go through a living hell almost every day with

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<v Speaker 1>overdoses a fentanyl, etc. And what you men and women

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<v Speaker 1>go through. I see this report and it's frightening. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's why it's harder and harder and harder to get

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<v Speaker 1>more and more men and women to take the test

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<v Speaker 1>to become a cop. And lastly, I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>briefly about Minneapolis and Renee Good. When the officer used

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<v Speaker 1>his weapon, he was hit by the vehicle driven by

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<v Speaker 1>Renee Good, as indicated by the videotape, but also by

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<v Speaker 1>the trousers being damaged and also damaged to his leg,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he shot Renee Good. Do you have empathy

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<v Speaker 1>for an officer put in that situation because of the

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<v Speaker 1>behavior of the so called protester who was a criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>It is against the law to impede the activities of

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<v Speaker 1>federal law enforcement officials. If you impede, harassed, or obstruct,

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<v Speaker 1>that's called a crime. It's called eight years in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have sympathy for what that police officer had

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<v Speaker 1>to go through? When stay of last week?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure you know there's more videos coming out it's showing

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<v Speaker 2>that that this officer was in fact struck by a vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you hear some of the audio of people

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<v Speaker 2>encouraging this woman to drive away, and as he gets

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<v Speaker 2>struck by the car, he does what he thinks he

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<v Speaker 2>has to do to save his life. You know, it's tragic.

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<v Speaker 2>That whole thing never should have happened. It wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>happened if this woman wouldn't have been blocking traffic, if

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<v Speaker 2>she wouldn't have driven away when ice agents tell her

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<v Speaker 2>to stop. You know, somehow in society, we've we've created,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this atmosphere that they think if if I

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<v Speaker 2>don't agree with this law, if I don't agree with

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<v Speaker 2>what law enforcement's doing, is that I I can just

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<v Speaker 2>I can.

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<v Speaker 3>Resist them and it'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead, in the civilized society, if they don't agree with

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<v Speaker 2>the laws that these law enforcement officers are are enforcing,

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<v Speaker 2>then go to your go to your US senators, go

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<v Speaker 2>to your US representatives, and tell them I want this

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<v Speaker 2>law changed. That's how things should be done. Not going

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to reuse this law enforcement because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like what they're doing. That's not going to end

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<v Speaker 2>well for these citizens that it never does.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine the life expectancy of an ICE agent

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<v Speaker 1>putting up what they put up with in major cities.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine what that would look like. I can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're working eighty to ninety hours a week, they

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<v Speaker 1>can't sleep at night because of what they went through

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<v Speaker 1>during the day. And then the so called protesters, the criminals,

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<v Speaker 1>show up at two o'clock in the morning to shine

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<v Speaker 1>lights and windows where they think an l EO Is

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping to make their life more miserable. I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>those officers having an average life expectancy. And there's simply

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<v Speaker 1>men and women in blue trying to do their damn jobs. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Kober, we've got to run. Good luck. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens later today. But if you get information that

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<v Speaker 1>the city of Cincinnati is going to pay the family

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<v Speaker 1>of Ryan hitting millions and millions of dollars, could that

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<v Speaker 1>cause police action of one type or another could have

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<v Speaker 1>caused a work stoppage or a strike? Is that how

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<v Speaker 1>outrage you would be?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, we've sworn to protect a city, and

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<v Speaker 2>just because they make terrible decisions doesn't mean that we're

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<v Speaker 2>just going to take our ball and go home. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to continue to protect the city, but you never

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<v Speaker 2>know what the outcome could be. It could be effect

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<v Speaker 2>recruiting people decide not to come here. It could affect

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<v Speaker 2>people just leaving going to other departments. Those are things

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<v Speaker 2>that they need to consider before they make a terrible

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<v Speaker 2>decision like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Shooting a police officer in the head during the George

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd riots in Cincinnati and then paying that person fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty thousand dollars in that eight point two million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar settlement is outrageous. Ken Kober, You're a great American.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for what you do. Stay safe, and thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you again. Sure, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill, God bless you. Let's continue with more. We'll follow

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<v Speaker 1>this after one o'clock today to see what's coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of city Council. Bill Cunningham, the great American, live with

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<v Speaker 1>you every day. You're home of the Reds, Bengals, Bearcats,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Musketeers. Can they all fail together? I hope not.

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<v Speaker 1>On News Radio seven hundred WLW