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Speaker 1: It is Tony Pike since three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: for a three way or cheese cony today.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Happy Monday, Welcome in to the Monday Midday Quarterback.

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Speaker 4: You are listening on this the home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 4: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Hope everybody's Christmas was awesome. Hope everyone had a great holiday.

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Speaker 4: I know it's the this is the weird week now

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Speaker 4: right in between Christmas and New Year's there are days.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what time it is, what day it is,

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Speaker 4: but happy to make it and get to the studio

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Speaker 4: by noon today for the start of the Monday Midday Quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Hoping again that everyone's holiday season was fantastic or is

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Speaker 4: going fantastic in this It's a weird week all right

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Speaker 4: out right Austin. This like middle week, but between Christmas

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Speaker 4: and New Year's.

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Speaker 5: Weird, odd, weird every single year, especially weird when the

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Speaker 5: New Year's Eve and New Year's Day holiday is kind

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Speaker 5: of right in the middle of the week, the you

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Speaker 5: know what is it on Wednesday and Thursday?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of strange, but it's exciting. Did you

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Speaker 4: have a good Christmas? I did?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I had a really good Chris Christmas.

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Speaker 4: Anymore, I love the build up to Christmas, and year

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Speaker 4: by year, I feel like I hate more that day

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Speaker 4: right after Christmas because it just goes quick. And I

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Speaker 4: think that's a lot with the little ones, as you

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Speaker 4: build up so much about this season and the excitement

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Speaker 4: around the season, and then.

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Speaker 6: Of the building.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it just feels like it's gone so quickly.

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Speaker 4: But hopefully everyone was able to soak in as much

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Speaker 4: of the holiday season as possible. Hopefully everyone's going to

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Speaker 4: have a great New Year's and in between all that

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Speaker 4: we get to talk some sports.

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Speaker 5: I saw you were getting little emotional. You were getting

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Speaker 5: the man, it's an emotion. Time for you to go

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Speaker 5: and post a video from your couch?

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Speaker 6: How about that?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 5: And I thought you were going to start crying. I've

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Speaker 5: seen honestly, man, I've seen enough of you crying this year.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to see any more. Tony Pike tears.

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Speaker 5: That's twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 6: Goal.

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Speaker 5: That's my New Year's resolution. Don't see Tony cry ever again.

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Speaker 5: It was a lot and you had a moment there

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Speaker 5: it was posted. I thought that was I thought that

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Speaker 5: was lovely.

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Speaker 6: It was. It was a nice little moment you.

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Speaker 5: I think men should do a better job at expressing

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Speaker 5: their feelings, and in that moment you did.

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Speaker 6: It was the first.

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Speaker 4: Cool moment of quiet I think of the whole holiday season.

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Speaker 4: You just get the gifts out and there's a calm

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Speaker 4: before what you know, the madness is going to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and that calm allows for a little reflection on what

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Speaker 4: has been a crazy year for I'm sure a lot

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Speaker 6: Did you get any cool Christmas gifts?

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Speaker 8: I did?

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Speaker 6: I did anything that you would want to share?

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Speaker 4: Well, uh, Mayor caught me up to speed, and this

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Speaker 4: for you is dangerous because I now have a PS

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Speaker 4: five oh so already and some Fortnite that happened. I

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Speaker 4: jumped on the Madden Wow. I got on the sticks

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Speaker 4: a little bit this weekend.

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Speaker 4: I did one and one against the computer right now. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: I got a lot to learn for right now.

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Speaker 6: But it was a good start, all right. It was

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Speaker 6: a good start. Wow. But yeah, I'm in the game,

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Speaker 6: So Madden Leagues here, I come.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm sure soon you don't want anything

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Speaker 4: Madden League right now, it would look a lot like

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Speaker 4: what the Arizona Cardinals looked like yesterday. Ouch, how about

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Speaker 4: on the field yesterday were two teams playing for nothing.

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Speaker 4: One team had already checked out and one team didn't. Now,

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Speaker 4: I know the Cardinals were playing shorthanded and they didn't

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Speaker 4: We've talked about what Arizona could potentially do offensively and

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Speaker 4: Jacobe Brissett making his one hundredth appearance in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: and for the most part, I think the Bengals took

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Speaker 4: fun along the way. We'll talk about the Cody Ford catch,

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about this offense continuing to operate at a

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Speaker 4: very high level. We'll talk about some improvements on the

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Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball. And there's going to be

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Speaker 4: an ongoing discussion this week, although I don't think it's

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Speaker 4: a discussion inside the walls of pay Corpse Stadium because

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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor has already said today that Joe Burrow is

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Speaker 4: going to play on Sunday in the finale against the

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Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns. Personally, I would be okay with Joe Burrow

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Speaker 4: we've got a ton to get to on the Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: your biggest takeaway at pay Court Stadium yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Unbelievable weather. Like I just kept looking around, like, is

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Speaker 5: it really December the twenty eighth that we're watching this

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Speaker 5: learning here about this team? And I think there are

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Speaker 5: if they are a team that is checked out, and

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Speaker 5: by all indications, Arizona is checked out. They didn't have

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Speaker 5: That I think is a good thing. How much does

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Speaker 5: And even if you look at at last week's game

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Speaker 5: progress defending the tight end position, which they haven't done

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Speaker 5: So those are just little tiny things that maybe don't

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Speaker 4: That's the hardest thing. I view the lens of the

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Speaker 4: last couple of weeks so far and against Cleveland as well,

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Speaker 4: they've improved and you feel like there's improvements happening. You

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Speaker 4: also know the competition isn't great, yeah, and it's hard

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Speaker 4: to balance that, and you know, it was a conversation

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Speaker 4: that we had yesterday before the game with Moe and

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Speaker 4: ken Brew of playing out the string winning the meaningless games,

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Speaker 4: and they're being a positive on that of being able

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Speaker 4: to watch a Miles Murphy or Shamar Stewart collected his

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Speaker 4: it cannot allow you to cloud and mean by me,

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Speaker 4: by you, I mean the front office of the Cincinnati Bengals,

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Speaker 4: Duke Tobin. It can't allow you to be clouded in

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Speaker 4: the judgment of who this team really was this year.

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Speaker 4: As long as both of those things are true, that

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Speaker 4: you feel good about some pieces down the stretch, but

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Speaker 4: what's happening down the stretch doesn't change the core problem

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Speaker 4: that this offseason needs to be much more aggressive and successful.

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Speaker 6: Then I'm good with what's happening.

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Speaker 5: And I think a lot of Bengals fans are understandably

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Speaker 5: smoke these last two teams, but that really doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 5: Like my thing is who jumps off the field at me?

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Speaker 5: Who jumps off the screen at me in these games

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Speaker 5: that they're supposed to be dominating. Burrow is excellent, Chase

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Speaker 5: is excellent, Chase Brown is magnificent, all the guys that

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Speaker 5: Amarius Mims goes down with a shin injury and all

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Speaker 5: of a sudden the offense stalls out. This is a

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Speaker 5: reminder offensive line depth is a major need in the offseason,

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Speaker 5: and we've kind of forgotten about that because of how

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Speaker 5: well they've played and how they've all played together over

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Speaker 5: if if Mems goes down, if Brown goes down, if

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Speaker 5: depth of that offensive line.

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Speaker 6: That's one thing.

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Speaker 5: The other thing, too, is did it feel like Demetrius

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Speaker 5: Knight or Barrett Carter at any point over the last

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Speaker 5: two weeks have jumped off the screen at you?

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Speaker 6: No, No, Eric Carter A play? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Did Jordan Battle? I think kind of did the same thing.

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Speaker 5: Barrett j shaken out of his shoes. Genostone, I think

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Speaker 5: we should do as something to look forward to in March,

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Speaker 5: some sort of a party for the end of the

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Speaker 5: Genostone era. Maybe we can get a cake in here.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we can have Skyline cater it, because I can't

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Speaker 5: wait until the end of the Genostone era. But either way,

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Speaker 5: those little things that I'm looking at, and again I'm

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Speaker 5: not putting a ton of weight into any of it,

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Speaker 5: but hey, if Barrett Carter's not making plays against these guys,

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Speaker 5: if Demetrius Knight Junior to win a cat, then it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: there really needs to be something. If you're going to

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Speaker 5: put weight on the good things that happen, you also

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Speaker 5: need to put weight on the bad things that happen.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about everything else. What we'll start our number

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Speaker 4: two is we look around what else happened in the

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Speaker 4: NFL yesterday and throughout last week and what it means

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Speaker 4: going into Week eighteen. There are some big matchups in

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Speaker 4: Week eighteen that we will highlight. It's also a big

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Speaker 4: week for bowl season because the College Football Playoff gets

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Speaker 4: back in action.

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Speaker 6: At the end of the week. You get Ohio State

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Speaker 6: and Miami. On New Year's Eve, New.

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Speaker 4: Year's Day, you get the other three college Football Playoff games.

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Speaker 5: Marcus Freeman, oh, head coach of Notre Dame, has informed

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Speaker 5: Eight hundred Green to go nine scoreless against the Red

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Speaker 4: To kick off our number two, of course, the Monday

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Speaker 5: No doubt about it. He gives him the best chance

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Speaker 5: Chase and Higgins are all healthy and all in the

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Speaker 5: field together. And what that means for Chase Brown and

439
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Speaker 5: how much of a weapon he can be is I

440
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Speaker 5: think the secret sauce to this thing being a high

441
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Speaker 5: powered offense because obviously teams are gonna double double those

442
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 5: other two guys and that takes up four defenders. Okay, well,

443
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Speaker 5: now you got you know, a guy like Mike Kasicki,

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Speaker 5: who has obviously been pretty good, and a guy like

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Speaker 5: Chase Brown, who what are you gonna do if you

446
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Speaker 5: motion him out? What are you gonna do if he's

447
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Speaker 5: in the backfield? How how are you gonna defend that?

448
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Speaker 5: And you've seen over the last couple of weeks with

449
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Speaker 5: hundreds of yards from scrimmage for Chase Brown that like,

450
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Speaker 5: oh yeah, this is a weapon here. And when the

451
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Speaker 5: offensive line has played as good as it has, especially

452
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Speaker 5: Dalton Reisner in that run game, I mean, hell man,

453
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Speaker 5: this is that's what it's supposed to look like. And

454
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Speaker 5: I know Zach talked about him earlier today and said,

455
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Speaker 5: I have complete faith in Chase Brown in every part

456
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Speaker 5: of his game, running the ball, catching the ball, and

457
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Speaker 5: in pass protection. Yeah, and that's a huge, huge thing

458
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Speaker 5: for a quarterback and a coach.

459
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Speaker 4: He is at right now fourteen hundred and sixty six

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Speaker 4: total yards from scrimmage. He is fifty three yards away,

461
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Speaker 4: Austin from the thousand yard mark this year. On the season,

462
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Speaker 4: he is averaging four point three yards per carry, So

463
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Speaker 4: closing in on a thousand on the ground, closing in

464
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Speaker 4: on fifteen hundred total, those are two very attainable numbers

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Speaker 4: for him to pick up in the last game of

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Speaker 4: the regular season on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: For sure, It's not gonna be easy. I mean, Cleveland's good,

468
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Speaker 5: My defense is still very legitimate. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think if you'd have told me at the beginning

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Speaker 5: of the year that Chase Brown is gonna have those

471
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Speaker 5: kind of numbers, I would have been.

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Speaker 6: All over that.

473
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Speaker 4: Eleven different Bengal receivers registered a catch yesterday over the

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Speaker 4: course of the game. Jamar Chase led the way with

475
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Speaker 4: seven of them and two touchdowns. For Jamar Chase Austin,

476
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Speaker 4: it was I knew about the drought going in, but

477
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Speaker 4: hearing it before the game, he had not scored a

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Speaker 4: touchdown I believe since October sixteenth. To have him not

479
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Speaker 4: only find the end zone, but find the end zone

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Speaker 4: twice and be rewarded for what has been another fantastic season.

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Speaker 6: Was very good to see from Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 4: One hundred and seven teen receptions, oney three hundred and

483
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Speaker 4: sixteen yards, seven touchdowns for Jamar Chase, he became yesterday

484
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Speaker 4: the first player in NFL history history to have one

485
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Speaker 4: thousand receiving yards, eighty or more catches, and seven or

486
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Speaker 4: more touchdowns in each of his five NFL seasons to

487
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Speaker 4: start his career.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, think of twenty twenty one and how

489
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Speaker 5: he just exploded onto the scene. The following year in

490
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Speaker 5: twenty two, he had over one thousand yards and nine touchdowns.

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Speaker 5: He only played twelve games. He did that on just

492
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Speaker 5: eighty seven catches. Did Jamar Chas in twenty two and

493
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Speaker 5: then since then twelve hundred seventeen hundred, thirteen hundred in counting. Yeah,

494
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Speaker 5: with a ton of touchdowns, he's already He's pretty close

495
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Speaker 5: already to Chad Johnson in terms of total touchdowns, which

496
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Speaker 5: is kind of hard to believe.

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Speaker 4: He's going to finish the year right now, he's fourth

498
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Speaker 4: in the NFL and receiving yards at thirteen hundred and sixteen,

499
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Speaker 4: he is second in the NFL and he's only two

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Speaker 4: bed Trey McBride, so he is leading the NFL in receptions.

501
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Speaker 4: Now Puka Nakua does play tonight, He's at one fourteen,

502
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 4: so he's likely going to pass Jamar Chase. But you

503
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: talk about a year without Joe Burrow for a majority

504
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Speaker 4: of the year, the Jake Browning weeks that we talked about,

505
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Speaker 4: Jamar Chase is still going to finish top five in receptions,

506
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Speaker 4: in yards and top fifteen in touchdowns.

507
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Speaker 5: One hundred and seventy five targets already this season. That

508
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Speaker 5: matches the entire total from last year for Jamar Chase,

509
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Speaker 5: which is just kind of hard to believe that I've

510
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Speaker 5: gotten to this point already.

511
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Speaker 4: Outside of that, another solid day from T Higgins. You

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Speaker 4: mentioned Mike Kasiki. It feels like over the last couple

513
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Speaker 4: of weeks, more so than ever Austin, Mike Kasiki has

514
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Speaker 4: found his spot in this offense, and I think health

515
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 4: plays a big role in that. But was good to

516
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Speaker 4: see Andre Yoshi vas four catches yesterday and mentioned Cody

517
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 4: Ford and Paul Danner Junior pointed it out Cody Ford

518
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Speaker 4: more catches than Jermaine Burton in twenty twenty five, So

519
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Speaker 4: a shout out to Cody Ford.

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Speaker 6: He looked like that was cool as hell.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 4: Like I was at the game and I I'm like

523
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Speaker 4: with my friend, I'm thinking, Cody Ford, he's either late

524
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 4: to get off this and then he lines up. I'm like,

525
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 4: Cody Ford is a wide receiver right now. Burrow goes

526
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 4: through the progression and it's like, all right, big fellow,

527
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 4: you're open.

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Speaker 5: Yards after the cats man he lowered. Nothing to do

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Speaker 5: with him. And I also learned that apparently they call

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Speaker 5: him the wooly Mammoth, which I did not know that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yesterday, rumbling, stumbling, dumbling towards the goal line.

532
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Speaker 5: If he would have scored, oh my gosh. And then

533
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Speaker 5: he came in at full back. I thought they were

534
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Speaker 5: gonna give it to him, but u he was.

535
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Speaker 6: He was part of the diversion. That was funny. All right,

536
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Speaker 6: we'll take a break when we cover.

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Speaker 5: Offensive line should now have well, yeah, and what they

538
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 5: should do is they should put in their contract. Hey,

539
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 5: if I, you know, get over twenty receiving yards, I

540
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 5: get one hundred thousand dollars bonus.

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Speaker 6: Cody Ford got it. Cody Ford got it.

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Speaker 4: We will break and when we come back, let's talk

543
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Speaker 4: about the other side of the ball Mammoth on display yesterday.

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Speaker 4: That was the Bengals pike bag defense on the ESPN

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Speaker 4: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Football in the Natti on ESPN

547
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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 9: Light up the season with savings at Kelsey Shiverer.

549
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Speaker 10: Cody Ford linees up as a wide receiver outside the

550
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Speaker 10: numerals at about three hundred and fifty pounds. Burrow throws,

551
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Speaker 10: Cody Ford catches. He's down to the fifteen to ten.

552
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 10: He tackled around the three yard line, almost a big

553
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Speaker 10: man TD for the all time highlight reel as Burrow

554
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Speaker 10: threw it to Cody Ford and the Wooly Mammoth began

555
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Speaker 10: running down the nearest high bye.

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Speaker 11: I love it, Wooly Mammoth. I'm telling you, man, it's

557
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 11: a big, big player out there at the wide receiver position.

558
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 11: That might be the biggest wide receiver ever in the

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Speaker 11: history of football.

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Speaker 4: The Wooly Mammoth. That's the first time I think I've

561
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Speaker 4: ever heard Dan Horde just start laughing in the middle

562
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Speaker 4: of a call. I saw him describe it on his

563
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: Twitter page as an involuntary response to what he was

564
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Speaker 4: seeing unbelievable. That was so awesome. That is our Win

565
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Speaker 4: Schuler's call of the day. Thanks to our friends at

566
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Speaker 4: wind Schulers. They're fantastic cheese spreads pairwell with absolutely everything

567
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Speaker 4: for you around this holiday season. Speaking of the wooly mammoth, Austin,

568
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 4: that kind of goes in line with Joe Burrow's gifts

569
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Speaker 4: to his offensive linemen.

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Speaker 6: It's right.

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Speaker 4: Authentic fossils, yeah, for Christmas. And we ain't talking about

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Speaker 4: just a couple hundred years old. We're talking about fossil fossils. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: We're not talking about something you dig up up in

574
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Speaker 4: the backyard. Authentic dinosaur, bear and mammoth fossils. Ted Carras says,

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Speaker 4: I think it speaks to his intelligence and interest and

576
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Speaker 4: his desire to do something unique. Yeah, I thought it

577
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Speaker 4: was really special. Carris picked up the tusk of a

578
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 4: wooly mammoth. Yeah, archaeologists estimated to be about thirty thousand

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Speaker 4: years old. Orlando Brown Junior and Marius Mims took home

580
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Speaker 4: cave bear skulls oh a t rex artifact, went the

581
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Speaker 4: rookie left guard, Dylan Fairchild. I'd be in on that.

582
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 4: I don't want t Rex artifact. I'd want the t Rex.

583
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 5: So we've seen a lot of these gifts come out.

584
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 5: I think Aaron Rodgers got a bunch of like side

585
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 5: by sides, and there was golf cards from Jared Goff

586
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: and all sorts of different stuff from all these different guys.

587
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Speaker 5: I mean, I can't imagine what ten fossils were cheap,

588
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 5: especially if they're authentic like wooly mammoth and bear skulls.

589
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 5: That's gotta be some serious cash that Joe Burrow shelled

590
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 5: out for his offensive line. Man, who knows what he

591
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 5: got for himself? That he might have saved the best

592
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 5: one for himself. Sure that goes alongside the samurai swords.

593
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 5: Samurai swords.

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Speaker 9: I like it.

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Speaker 6: It's a little bit different.

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Speaker 4: So I just looked up the price estimated for a

597
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Speaker 4: thirty thousand year old wooly mammoth tusk.

598
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Speaker 6: What's it say? Is around thirty thousand dollars.

599
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, man, Like, that's some serious cash. Yeah,

600
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Speaker 4: Jordan Love bought every Packer player a pair of shoes

601
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Speaker 4: like a Nike Dunks.

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Speaker 6: The total cost was like five kg.

603
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm talking about wooly mammoths here.

604
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Speaker 6: I mean, that's chunk change to Joe Burrow.

605
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Speaker 4: Speaking of this offensive line for the Cincinnati Bengals Austin.

606
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Speaker 4: I saw yesterday some of the Pro Football Focus grades

607
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: Dylan Fairchild eighty four, Marius Mimms seventy nine point three,

608
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Speaker 4: Orlando Brown Junior seventy five point five, Dalton Reisner seventy

609
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Speaker 4: seven point one. Yeah, Dalton Reisner Austin. He's having the

610
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Speaker 4: best year of his career, according to Pro Football Focus.

611
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: It's a good right guard. There is stability there for

612
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 4: this team. It's not just been a flash in the pan.

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Speaker 4: Dalton Reisner, guy you want to bring back next year.

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Speaker 6: I think it should be one of the first things

615
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Speaker 6: that gets done. Needs to be a priority. I think

616
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 6: it should be being worked on, like right now. Yep,

617
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Speaker 6: It's got to be a priority.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and there's nothing that says, Okay, we're

619
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Speaker 5: going to sign Dalton Reisner to a three year extension

620
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: and he has to be the guy from now until

621
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Speaker 5: the end of time. Nobody is saying that he's thirty

622
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 5: years old, but the way that he has performed this

623
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Speaker 5: season at the age of thirty and at that you

624
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 5: know level in this offense, and I think there was

625
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Speaker 5: some concern I think coming up like he was out

626
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 5: there for a reason in Minnesota let him go for

627
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 5: a reason. But he's totally changing it. Maybe he's a

628
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 5: perfect fit for this offense and what they want to do.

629
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Speaker 4: It seems to have worked. Putting him now next to

630
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Speaker 4: Marius Mems. It seems to have helped Marius Mims. It's

631
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Speaker 4: taken a lot off the plate of Ted Carris. I

632
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: think Carris has played better, I think, and we've been

633
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: critic or Brown. He had a good game yesterday. Yeah,

634
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Speaker 4: I think he's played better. I don't think he would

635
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: say he's played up to his standard for the entire season,

636
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 4: but he's played better. And I think another year of

637
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: Dylan Fairchild playing at a high level will only make

638
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: that better. This is far off in the conversation, realm,

639
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 4: But are you bought into another year of Orlando Brown Jr.

640
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Speaker 4: And if not, is there a conversation to be had

641
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Speaker 4: about the potential to move a Marius Mims to left

642
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 4: tackle and find a new right tackle.

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Speaker 6: I think that's a conversation for this time next year.

644
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean left tackle is is very important obviously

645
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: with a right handed quarterback, you want to be shirt

646
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Speaker 4: up at left tackle, and if it's not Orlando Brown

647
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Speaker 4: Junior in the future, are you finding a new one

648
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: or would a Marius Mims slide to that side?

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Speaker 6: I think is a question for the future. That is

650
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 6: a good question.

651
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 5: I think I think you would probably slide Mims, that

652
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 5: would be my guess, and then look for a right

653
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Speaker 5: tackle elsewhere. That's my guess onto how that will play out. Sure,

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Speaker 5: But you know, I think if we're talking about money,

655
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Speaker 5: left tackles normally make a lot more money than right tackles. Yeah,

656
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Speaker 5: and you know, how's that gonna be a part of

657
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Speaker 5: the conversation when it comes to Mimes down the line.

658
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Speaker 5: He'll still have years on his deal left. But yeah,

659
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Speaker 5: I think that would be the most likely scenario because

660
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Speaker 5: somebody else is about to do the same thing. I

661
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Speaker 5: forget who it is, but they're about to slide their

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Speaker 5: guy from right tackle to left tackle.

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Speaker 6: I forget which.

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Speaker 5: Gosh, it was one of the one of the good

665
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Speaker 5: teams too, but just totally left my mind. But yeah,

666
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Speaker 5: it's not uncommon. Let's do this.

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Speaker 4: Let's break one final time for the hour, and then

668
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Speaker 4: let's give the defense the amount of time that they

669
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Speaker 4: deserve for what they were able to do and have done.

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Speaker 4: I think a little bit more consistently. And again it's

671
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Speaker 4: not a conversation with the defense that is just going on.

672
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: We understand that the competition has been worse. We understand

673
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 4: the quarterback play has not been as good. There's been injuries,

674
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Speaker 4: different things, but they do deserve the credit and some

675
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Speaker 4: credit for improvements that they've made. We'll talk about those improvements,

676
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Speaker 4: talk about the game yesterday, and a little peek into

677
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Speaker 4: the future on the defensive side of the ball with

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Speaker 4: Al Golden's Bengals Defense. Next on ESPN fifteen to thirty

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati Sports Station on the Monday Midday Quarterback WC Welcome

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Speaker 4: back Monday Midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

681
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Speaker 4: It's awesome to have you along. Thanks for joining us.

682
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Speaker 4: We have talked all things Bengals here in our number one.

683
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Speaker 4: We'll continue to do that here and then we'll switch

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Speaker 4: gears a little bit. We'll talk about the rest of

685
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Speaker 4: the National Football League. We'll get your talkbacks and so

686
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Speaker 4: much more on our number two. I'll take off for

687
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Speaker 4: our number three to head to Twin Peaks in Westchester.

688
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Speaker 4: Austin will have the third hour of this the Monday

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Speaker 4: midday Quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk. We used to make fun of Mike Greenberg

691
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Speaker 6: show was Greeny? He just wasn't over there? Yeah? Is

692
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Speaker 6: that what's going on with you? A little bit? At

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Speaker 6: least for two more weeks?

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Speaker 4: All right, and then you know the season's over and

695
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Speaker 4: no more Tony and mo football show. Let's talk about

696
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Speaker 4: the side of the ball we haven't talked about yesterday,

697
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Speaker 4: the defense that held the Arizona Cardinals to just fourteen points.

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Speaker 4: Seven of those came in pretty much garbage time when

699
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Speaker 4: Trey McBride was just going for the NFL record, which

700
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Speaker 4: he did get for NFL catches by a tight end,

701
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Speaker 4: So shout out to Trey McBride forgetting that. But it

702
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Speaker 4: was thirty seven to seven at that point. Really, the

703
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Speaker 4: only I would say Austin bad look for the Bengals

704
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 4: defense yesterday was on the Michael Wilson thirty eight yard

705
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Speaker 4: touchdown pass and a reception in which three four Bengals

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Speaker 4: decided not to tackle, one of them being Genostone, which

707
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Speaker 4: we've seen before, one of them being Barrett Carter, which

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Speaker 4: we've all seen before. Outside of that though, I thought

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Speaker 4: it was a better day for the defense.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was a better day.

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Speaker 5: I mean they were and understanding the opponent, bigger, faster,

712
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Speaker 5: stronger than those guys they were supposed to dominate them

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Speaker 5: they did. I thought they were especially good on third downs.

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Speaker 5: What I felt like I saw more than normal were

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Speaker 5: stunts up front. I don't know if that's maybe a

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Speaker 5: weakness that Al Golden and the Bengals discovered in watching

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Speaker 5: the film of the Arizona Cardinals, but it felt like

718
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Speaker 5: there was a lot of games, a lot of stunts

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Speaker 5: going on up front. And to do that without Chris Jenkins,

720
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Speaker 5: without Joseph Osai did a lot of Shamar Stewart, a

721
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Speaker 5: lot of Joseph, a lot of Miles Murphy pulling off

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Speaker 5: those stunts.

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Speaker 6: I think it made TJ. Slayton play a.

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Speaker 5: Little bit better than what we've used to what we've

725
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Speaker 5: seen TJ play most of this year. But yeah, they

726
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Speaker 5: dominated a team that they were supposed to dominate.

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Speaker 4: How do you view in the backdrop of the whole season,

728
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Speaker 4: sixteen game sample size, Miles Murphy, Cedric Johnson, TJ. Slay

729
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Speaker 4: and Shamar Stewart all what they sacked yesterday of Jacoby Brissett.

730
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Speaker 4: But I view some of those sacks and I think

731
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Speaker 4: is more meaningful than others. Obviously, Miles Murphy continues his

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Speaker 4: strong play down the stretch. He has solidified being a

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Speaker 4: very key member of this team going forward. It was

734
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Speaker 4: good to see Cedric Johnson get a sack and Shamar Stewart,

735
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Speaker 4: and I think the jury is still a little bit

736
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Speaker 4: out on Shamar Stewart.

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Speaker 6: But a guy like TJ.

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Speaker 4: Slaton Austin, do you view his sack yesterday differently than

739
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Speaker 4: maybe Miles Murphy's.

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 4: I mean, for the last two weeks TJ. Slayton's played better.

742
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Speaker 4: Then do you look at the opponents and you're like, oh, okay,

743
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Speaker 4: that makes sense. With other guys, like with Miles Murphy,

744
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Speaker 4: with DJ, with Dax, with you know, Jordan Battle, there's

745
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Speaker 4: at least a bigger sample size against better competition, it's like, okay,

746
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Speaker 4: there's something there.

747
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Speaker 6: Yeah. With TJ.

748
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Speaker 5: Slayton, it's like, oh, all of a sudden, it showed

749
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Speaker 5: up against two bad teams over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a difference between guys that you would

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Speaker 5: quote unquot build around and guys that you're comfortable with

752
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Speaker 5: being on defense in the coming years. I think there's

753
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Speaker 5: five guys where I'm comfortable with, and that would be Murphy, Turner, Hill,

754
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Speaker 5: Stewart in Battle and Chamar. It's just way too early

755
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Speaker 5: to not make him a part of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know, Yeah, I don't know that

757
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Speaker 4: anybody is a build around them type of player on

758
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Speaker 4: this defense, which is a problem and something that you

759
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Speaker 4: hope to hit on in the draft. But yeah, I

760
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Speaker 4: think there is those who have played better for a

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Speaker 4: longer sample size against a variety of good teams rather

762
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Speaker 4: than the two awful opponents you face the last couple

763
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Speaker 4: of weeks. Makes me feel better about them coming back

764
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Speaker 4: next year. And I think Miles Murphy is the best

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Speaker 4: representation of that, agreed, a guy who I think halfway

766
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Speaker 4: through the year Austin, a lot of folks were sitting

767
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Speaker 4: there thinking this just isn't working, you know, and I

768
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Speaker 4: wish I think it's unfortunate that Joseph Osai has missed

769
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Speaker 4: the last couple of games, because I think that was

770
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Speaker 4: a guy you'd try to get a lot out of

771
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Speaker 4: the last weeks as well. Yeah, in a contract year,

772
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Speaker 4: you got to figure out what to do there. That's

773
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Speaker 4: a decision, and we talked about some of the numbers

774
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Speaker 4: that have been floated around. I don't know if Osi

775
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 4: is a guy you're buying back into, but it has

776
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Speaker 4: at least done something Austin from midway through the year

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Speaker 4: to where we are now that it does feel like

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Speaker 4: there are a couple more pieces that when you start

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Speaker 4: the conversation for this defense l next year, you can

780
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Speaker 4: have pieces already there. And I think there's a couple

781
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Speaker 4: of guys too that will be fits as role players

782
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Speaker 4: moving forward.

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Speaker 6: That's first, yeah, exactly.

784
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Speaker 5: The first is is Cedric Johnson, who I just think

785
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 5: has an unbelievable motor, came off that tough injury at

786
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Speaker 5: the beginning of the year, really played well down the

787
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Speaker 5: stretch last year as well. He's one of those guys

788
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Speaker 5: who's flashed in the opportunities he's had, and I think

789
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Speaker 5: there's a role for him. He's not going to be

790
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Speaker 5: a guy that's playing every single snap, but there's a

791
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Speaker 5: role for him. And the other is dj Ivy, who

792
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Speaker 5: continues to after he's recovered from that knee injury and

793
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 5: been used in a variety of different roles. Now is

794
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 5: basically the guy who's covering tight ends. They're kind of

795
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Speaker 5: bracketing great tight ends with Dakson and dj Ivy, and

796
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Speaker 5: I think that's a brilliant move by Al Golden. And

797
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Speaker 5: I saw Charlie post this stat earlier about dj Ivy.

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Speaker 5: He's played ninety nine third down snaps in the NFL,

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Speaker 5: forty nine of which have come this season. He's never

800
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Speaker 5: allowed a first down catch. Nice he has allowed two

801
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Speaker 5: career first down catches all together in one hundred and

802
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Speaker 5: seventy eight total snaps. They were both deep in garbage

803
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Speaker 5: time in Miami and not you know, those third down catches,

804
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Speaker 5: those third down situations. I thought it was interesting, you know,

805
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Speaker 5: the way that the Bengals deployed him and dax On

806
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 5: Trey McBride. Again, to go back to the point earlier

807
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Speaker 5: about the way they've defended tight ends the last couple

808
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Speaker 5: of weeks. Guys like Ivy, Guys like Cedric Johnson, they

809
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Speaker 5: can fill roles on a good defense. They're not guys

810
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Speaker 5: you build around, but they can be role players.

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Speaker 4: Now again, conversation for a much later date. I look

812
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Speaker 4: now at this defense and I still contend you cannot.

813
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Speaker 4: I make it whatever you want to want Sunday should

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Speaker 4: be the last time we ever see genostonents.

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Speaker 6: I would hope so.

816
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Speaker 4: So you need a legitimate caliber safety because I'm with you.

817
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 4: I think if you have a good established player next

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Speaker 4: to Jordan Battle, that will raise Jordan Battle's game as well.

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Speaker 6: Not genostone. You need.

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Speaker 4: A certified player at safety. I think you still need

821
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Speaker 4: proven guys on the defensive line to add to this defense.

822
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Speaker 4: And linebacker. Austin, where are we at with linebacker right now?

823
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Speaker 5: Don't feel good about it. Don't feel like those guys

824
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Speaker 5: have taken the SUPs. Doesn't feel like Carter and Knight

825
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 5: have had the progress taking the step have And that's

826
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Speaker 5: that's the position group. I thought we'd see progress because

827
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Speaker 5: that was our golden specialty. Yeah, and they built most

828
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Speaker 5: of this defense around the idea that these guys are

829
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Speaker 5: gonna play. And they spent those picks on them, and

830
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Speaker 5: they let guys go and they threw them into the fire,

831
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Speaker 5: and and it never has felt like the light bulb

832
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 5: has quite come on for them. I think Knight has

833
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 5: played a little bit better. I think his role has

834
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Speaker 5: changed a little bit. But with Carter, I don't know

835
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Speaker 5: if it's just bad habits I don't know if it's

836
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 5: stiff hips, I don't know if his eyes are in

837
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 5: the wrong spot, if he's not reading his keys correctly.

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00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 5: They've tackled slightly better, but they're often in the wrong position.

839
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Speaker 5: They can't break down, and it's just it's a major,

840
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Speaker 5: major issue that level of defense. There has to be

841
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 5: I mean, at least two guys that you bring in

842
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Speaker 5: this offseason to try to make that position group better.

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Speaker 4: Say, and I think it's important to notice, like the

844
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Speaker 4: Bengals aren't in a stage where they can wait on

845
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Speaker 4: them to hopefully develop. No, you're in win now mode

846
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 4: or better opportunity to win now mode. To me, that

847
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: would require if I'm just again, this is way early

848
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: in the process. I need two proven guys at linebacker.

849
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Speaker 4: I need a proven guy at safety. And you probably

850
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 4: need to add at least two guys on the defensive

851
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: line at least at least starting from now going into

852
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 4: year and then whoever you want to build with in

853
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: the draft, and maybe you change your draft strategy and

854
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 4: stop talking about measurables and how they can develop in

855
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 4: guys that actually produced at the college level that can

856
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 4: come in and produce for you as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm right there with you.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think I don't think anybody can feel

859
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 5: good about the way that the linebackers have played. Yeah,

860
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 5: and it has to be addressed, has to be a

861
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Speaker 5: dress move.

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00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 4: As for what it has done to the draft outlook,

863
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Speaker 4: yesterday's win has moved the Bengals to tenth in the

864
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Speaker 4: current draft order. The Saints are eight, and the Kansas

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Speaker 4: City Chiefs have jumped the Bengals and are now number nine.

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Speaker 4: Obviously a game tonight, the Atlanta Falcons have six wins

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Speaker 4: and a full week Week eighteen slate still to determine,

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Speaker 4: but as of right now, the updated draft order has

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Speaker 4: the Bengals drafting at number ten in the upcoming draft.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not sure what would happen if Atlanta were

871
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Speaker 5: to lose tonight. Now the Rams get that pick and

872
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Speaker 5: they obviously are playing the Falcons, but I'm assuming if

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Speaker 5: the Falcons were to lose, I would assume they jumped

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Speaker 5: the Bengals, but I'm not sure they would be six

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Speaker 5: and ten as well. As far as looking ahead to

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Speaker 5: next week, Atlanta New Orleans play each other. Both those

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Speaker 5: teams are right there with the Bengals, so that would

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Speaker 5: help one of them is going to lose, and that

879
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Speaker 5: obviously would help the Bengals. Kansas City is at Las Vegas.

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Speaker 5: You would expect them to win that game, doesn't matter

881
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Speaker 5: who the quarterback might be. Vegas is hard. I was

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Speaker 5: hard to watch the Chiefs as well. Well, the Raiders.

883
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Speaker 5: I would raise you that. I mean, Kansas City is

884
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Speaker 5: five and a half point favorites right now, and the

885
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Speaker 5: Raiders have quit on the season. They Benchmacks Crosby and

886
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Speaker 5: that's the whole thing we didn't even get into. So

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Speaker 5: those teams you know right there around the Bengals, like

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Speaker 5: Kansas City, Atlanta I believe plays all right, said that

889
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Speaker 5: they play New Orleans. Who's the other team that was

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Speaker 5: right there that I was just thinking of New Orleans,

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Speaker 5: the Chiefs, Arizona or Atlanta.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess that's all of them right there. They

893
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Speaker 6: play each other New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if so, I'm reading here in arcle. If the

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Speaker 4: Falcons lose on on on tonight Monday Night Football, the

896
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Speaker 4: Bengals would drop two eleventh. So that is something to

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Speaker 4: at least keep an eye on. Assume you make up

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Speaker 4: that spot based off the winner of New Orleans Atlanta

899
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Speaker 4: next week. Yeah, speaking of next win, which sure, speaking

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Speaker 4: of next week and what else happened this week in

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Speaker 4: the National Football League. We'll do that to kick off

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Speaker 4: hour number two. We'll follow that up with your talkbacks

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Speaker 4: All Right, good afternoon, Welcome back, Monday Midday Quarterback, ESPN

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Speaker 4: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks for joining us. Happy

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Speaker 4: to have you along as we get set to start

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Speaker 4: our number two. As we set to start our number

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Speaker 4: two Austin, we've spent time everything Bengal related from yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Let's dive into what we've seen from going back to

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Speaker 4: Christmas to now in the National Football League.

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Speaker 6: Get started on Christmas Night.

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Speaker 4: Three games not the greatest matchups I know going into

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Speaker 4: the season, they were reviewed as a lot better matchups.

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Speaker 4: Cowboys beat the Commanders thirty to twenty three. The Vikings

924
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Speaker 4: essentially end the season for the Detroit Lions, which had

925
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Speaker 4: to hurt even more yesterday watching the Packers lose, or

926
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry Saturday night watching the Packers lose, Lions could

927
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Speaker 4: get nothing going. Jared was awful against the Minnesota Vikings

928
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Speaker 4: and the Minnesota Vikings and you got to check the

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Speaker 4: notes here Austin with Max Brosmer at quarterback, he threw

930
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Speaker 4: for fifty one yards in the game on nine completions.

931
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Speaker 6: Turned it over a few times as well.

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Speaker 4: His nine completions were enough to beat the Detroit Lions

933
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Speaker 4: and their season on Christmas Night, and then the Broncos

934
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Speaker 4: defeat the Chiefs with a late Boon Knicks touchdown pass

935
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Speaker 4: twenty to thirteen. Anything really to take from the Thursday

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Speaker 4: night slate of games.

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Speaker 5: Logan Wilson did not play a stamp for the Dallas

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Speaker 5: Cowboys on Christmas Day on defense, which is kind of

939
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Speaker 5: hard to believe and makes you wonder about his future

940
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Speaker 5: in the National Football League. I mean, the Cowboys defense

941
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Speaker 5: is atrocious, sure, but I thought it was pretty surprising

942
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Speaker 5: that a guy that they traded for I'll be at

943
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Speaker 5: a seventh round pick.

944
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no impact, had very very little to no impact whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: As far as the Lions, you know, I think they

946
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Speaker 5: will end up having one of the most fascinating off

947
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Speaker 5: seasons of any team. There's already some speculation out there

948
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Speaker 5: that Dan Campbell is going to go try to get

949
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Speaker 5: some of his guys back that Ben Johnson stole.

950
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Speaker 6: From oh Chicago.

951
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Speaker 5: Their offense is a problem, and Brian Flores dominated them,

952
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 5: and they got a ton of talent on offense, a

953
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Speaker 5: ton of talent on offense. I'm curious to see too,

954
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Speaker 5: if Brian Flores gets some real run at a head

955
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Speaker 5: coaching job, or if somebody will pony up and make

956
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Speaker 5: him the highest paid coordinator. I think it's amazing that

957
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Speaker 5: all that Minnesota has gone through. They're eight to eight.

958
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Speaker 5: How's that possible? Doesn't doesn't seem right. They've now won

959
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Speaker 5: four straight games. Now it was Washington, Dallas, the Giants,

960
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Speaker 5: and the Lions. But still Minnesota has a chance to

961
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Speaker 5: beat Green Bay next week and finish above five hundred,

962
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Speaker 5: which nobody would have expected with all the stuff they've

963
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Speaker 5: gone through. Saturday's games. Let's start with the earlier game

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Speaker 5: that was Texans Chargers.

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Speaker 6: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was a weird game, Austin. I'm looking up Lad

967
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Speaker 4: McConkie until like the last drive of the game didn't

968
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 4: even have a target in the game. I don't know

969
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Speaker 4: at times who and what the Los Angeles Chargers are.

970
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Speaker 4: But when you watch that game from Saturday, is that

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Speaker 4: more about the questions around the Chargers or just how

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Speaker 4: good the Texans are? Stroud wasn't great. He threw two

973
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Speaker 4: interceptions as well. More about the Texans or more questions

974
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Speaker 4: about the Chargers.

975
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Speaker 5: More about the Texans. I mean, they've played really, really

976
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Speaker 5: good football. If their offense is able to do anything

977
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 5: like that, yep, then they're going to be a really

978
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Speaker 5: tough out in the AFC playoffs, just because of how

979
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Speaker 5: good that defense is. I still worry a little bit

980
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Speaker 5: about their run game and that offensive line, especially with CJ.

981
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Speaker 5: But I think the Chargers kind of expected just with

982
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Speaker 5: the amount of injuries that they've had and it's been

983
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 5: a little bit clunky. But Houston, I mean, that is

984
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 5: a tough, tough team right there.

985
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Speaker 6: Yep.

986
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Speaker 4: Not a team you want to find in the AFC.

987
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Speaker 4: Let's go down the list of games that happens. Have

988
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Speaker 4: the Saints found their quarterback of the future.

989
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Speaker 6: They might have. I mean him and Kellen Moore's been

990
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 6: that's a marriage that might just work.

991
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Speaker 4: He was twenty two to twenty seven for three point

992
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 4: thirty three and two touchdowns yesterday. Have the Titans found

993
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 4: their quarterback in the future.

994
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 6: I think so. There's that quiet year for Cam Wore.

995
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 5: They have a lot of work that needs to be

996
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 5: done around him. Yeah, and I think there is some

997
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 5: like pieces on offense, but they have no receivers. They

998
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 5: have nobody can get open. I think Tony Pollard's good, Yeah,

999
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 5: has a good has had a good season, and Cam

1000
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 5: has been making some crazy plays off script. Obviously, way

1001
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 5: too early to write him off. I think there's something

1002
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 5: there for Tennessee. I think, especially the way he's played

1003
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 5: the last month or so, that makes it a little

1004
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 5: bit of a more enticing job to some guys, just

1005
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 5: because the quarterback on a rookie deal. But now the

1006
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 5: issue is that Amy Adams Strunk is their owner, and

1007
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 5: many regard her as the worst owner in sports. I

1008
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 5: don't know if you know people in Cincinnati would say that,

1009
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 5: but there's a lot of people that think that franchise

1010
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 5: is going nowhere as long as she's in charge.

1011
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 6: What do you make.

1012
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 4: The Jaguars are legitimate AFC contender. They go to Indy,

1013
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: they beat the Colts yesterday, they do it and come

1014
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 4: from behind fashion. Trevor Lawrence wasn't great in the air,

1015
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 4: did have two rushing touchdowns in the game that I thought, though, Austin,

1016
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 4: it's not always going to be easy. I thought that

1017
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 4: was a workman like win for the Jaguars over the Colts.

1018
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1019
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 5: And the reason I say there are contenders because I

1020
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 5: feel like everybody in the AFC is content.

1021
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 6: They're all like right there, all the same type of team.

1022
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: Workman like is the way I would describe the Patriots

1023
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 4: and Drake May he was nineteen to twenty one, two

1024
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 4: fifty six and five touchdowns against the Jets. Jets are

1025
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: a dumpster, took care of business. Seahawks took care of

1026
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 4: business twenty seven to ten.

1027
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Speaker 6: And then Saron Glenn gets fired after one year. No,

1028
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Speaker 6: I think he'll make it one more, okay, but and

1029
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 6: then get fired. My goodness, my goodness.

1030
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Speaker 4: The Seahawks beat the Panthers, the Dolphins beat the Buccaneers.

1031
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 4: That sets up a game between the two, and again

1032
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 4: you mentioned before the show, I think there's some scenario

1033
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 4: if the Falcons were to upset the Rams tonight that

1034
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 4: that game could change, But right now feels like a

1035
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: winner go home between the Bucks and Panthers next week.

1036
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Speaker 5: I think the Falcons just have to lose one of

1037
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Speaker 5: their final two and win the other and it would

1038
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Speaker 5: be a three way tie for the NFC South, which

1039
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Speaker 5: would then put the Panthers in the playoffs. Okay, so

1040
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 5: the Bucks theoretically could win next week against the Panthers,

1041
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 5: but that could be dispelled to night if the Rams win.

1042
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 5: But no, no, no, they can lose. But if the Rams,

1043
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 5: if the Falcons win next week against the Saints, then

1044
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 5: Seattle could or Carolina could back into the playoffs. Okay,

1045
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 5: there's a lot there. If Atlanta splits their final two

1046
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Speaker 5: and Tampa beats the Panthers, the Panthers, they're basically in.

1047
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Speaker 4: Okay, I think I don't know, Yeah, we'll get more

1048
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 4: clarification on that. Giants pretty sure I had that right.

1049
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Speaker 4: Giants Raiders battle for the number one pick. Giants dominated

1050
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Speaker 4: the Raiders.

1051
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 6: They did. Raiders, they they did. They're not trying. Pete

1052
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 6: Carroll back next year, man, I don't think so. What

1053
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 6: about it's going to get canned?

1054
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 4: Can you can you go into the number one overall

1055
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: pick with Pete Carroll as your guy? I don't know

1056
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Speaker 4: if he can. What about Eagles Bills? What's your takeaway

1057
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 4: from that thirteen to twelve win? Bills score late, they

1058
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: go for two and they actually had Khalisha k Here

1059
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 4: in the back end line. Josh Allen just missed the throw.

1060
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 4: Eagles win thirteen to twelve. Eagles offense Austin. I don't

1061
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: think that game did anything to dispel any of the

1062
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 4: worries about the Eagles offense. They had one hundred and

1063
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 4: ninety total yards compared to three thirty one from the Bills.

1064
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 4: They did enough. That was a great Eagles Vic Fangio

1065
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: defensive performance. What's the concern level if you're the Bills?

1066
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Speaker 14: Uh?

1067
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 6: I think you should be slightly concerned.

1068
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a mon soon yesterday, and that's

1069
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Speaker 4: difficult to play in. It's difficult to operate your offense

1070
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Speaker 4: playing like that. I mean typically we're used as that

1071
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 4: being snow in Buffalo at this time of year. Yeah,

1072
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Speaker 4: Josh miss is a throw that he should have made,

1073
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 4: and he has made time and time again. And if

1074
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Speaker 4: that's the case, we talk a lot differently about the

1075
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Speaker 4: Bills today, So I'm not I don't think it changes

1076
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Speaker 4: much for me. But you know, with Philadelphia interesting team,

1077
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 4: their offense still just disappears at times. Their defense is

1078
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 4: good enough to keep them in games, and that might

1079
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 4: have to be their recipe is just score twenty points

1080
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 4: and hope the other team scores less than that. The

1081
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Speaker 4: game last night, you could talk game of the year

1082
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Speaker 4: for sure. Forty nine Ers Bears. It comes down to

1083
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Speaker 4: a fourth down stand in near the goal line for

1084
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 4: the forty nine Ers. They beat the Bears forty two

1085
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 4: to eight. Caleb Williams I thought was awesome DeAndre Swift

1086
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 4: for the Bears. That offense is stupid good and they're

1087
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 4: now getting more production from Luther Burden, the third Colston Loveland,

1088
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 4: two rookies on that team. Because Roma Dunes they didn't

1089
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 4: play last night. Their ground game is dangerous. But for

1090
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 4: as much as we talk about the Bears, more has

1091
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 4: to be said about what San Francisco is doing, and

1092
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 4: I know the schedule has not been great. Brock Party

1093
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 4: throws a pick six on the first possession of the game,

1094
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 4: and then comes back to go twenty four to thirty

1095
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 4: three three h three three touchdowns. He ran in two

1096
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 4: more touchdowns. Christian McCaffrey averaged six yards of carry on

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00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 4: the ground for one hundred and forty yards. They also

1098
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 4: shorthanded at receiver. They didn't have George Kittle playing to

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Speaker 4: the San Francisco forty nine ers. They have been decimated

1100
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 4: this year on defense often, and yet here they are,

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00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 4: the Niners still a chance for the number one overall

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00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 4: seed in the NFC.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean elite coaching on that staff, with the

1104
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Speaker 5: way Kyle Shanahan operates that offense and the way that

1105
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 5: Roberts operates that defense. I mean these two teams, I

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00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 5: would love for them just face off again next month

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00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 5: in the playoffs. Defenses for both of them are probably

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Speaker 5: going to be their biggest issue now. It looks like

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00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 5: Fred Warner might be able to come back at some

1110
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 5: point if San Francisco is able to make a run,

1111
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 5: But Chicago's got the twenty ninth ranked defense in the

1112
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 5: NFL in yards per game. Will they be able to

1113
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 5: keep up throughout the NFC playoffs I think would be

1114
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 5: one of the biggest questions. But they're gonna get a

1115
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 5: home game, and that obviously is going to work in

1116
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 5: their favor. I feel like they can very much be

1117
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 5: in play in the Divisional round into the NFC Championship.

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Speaker 4: Now, last games we'll talk about sets up what is

1119
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 4: going to be Sunday Night football next week. Win or

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Speaker 4: go in, win or go home for the AFC North title.

1121
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: It started Austin because the Ravens essentially had to win

1122
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 4: and then get help from the Cleveland Browns. They had

1123
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Speaker 4: to win by going on the road at green Bay,

1124
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 4: and they did so without Lamar Jackson. Tyler Huntley went

1125
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 4: sixteen of twenty in the game, threw one touchdown pass.

1126
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 4: He also ran it for sixty yards. Speaking of running

1127
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 4: the ball, the Baltimore Ravens figured, if we're going to

1128
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: go down, we're going to go down with Derrick Henry.

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00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 4: They handed him the ball thirty six times and he

1130
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 4: ran it for two hundred and sixteen yards. That's six

1131
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 4: yards of carry and four touchdowns for King Henry who

1132
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 4: goes on the road. A statement win for Baltimore and

1133
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 4: for green Bay. Playing without Jordan Love, I thought Malik

1134
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 4: Willis was awesome both on the ground, two touchdown runs

1135
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 4: and in the air eighteen to twenty one that green

1136
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 4: Bay defense without Micah Parsons. I view green Bay completely

1137
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 4: different right now. It feels like they're on the verge

1138
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 4: of falling off a cliff. Michael Parsons having surgery today

1139
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 4: he announced on that ACL injury. Just the overall issues

1140
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: that they have had on offense, Like you mentioned it,

1141
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 4: Malik Willis was fine. He was actually really good for

1142
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 4: most of it. But I think Packers fans would tell

1143
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: you there's been complaints about that offense all season long.

1144
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 4: And if you are compromised on defense, are you actually

1145
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 4: able to keep up with any team in the NFC

1146
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 4: playoffs based off the way that your offense is performing

1147
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 4: so far this season?

1148
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 5: And you know the other thing too. I think this

1149
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 5: the stat's going around. It's a little bit unfair. But

1150
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: since the NFL expanded the playoffs in twenty twenty to

1151
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 5: seven teams, the Packers have been the seven seed every

1152
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 5: single year. I was going to say they're going to

1153
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 5: be the seventh seed again this year. So if not

1154
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 5: for that playoff expansion, and I know this is ifs

1155
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 5: and buds, the Packers won't make the playoffs at any

1156
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 5: time under Matt Lafloor.

1157
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 4: I wanted I was going to ask that, what is

1158
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: the temperature you think of Matt laflor.

1159
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 5: I don't think it's I don't think he's like I

1160
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 5: think if you asked him. Internally, I think he's fine.

1161
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 5: But from the Packers fans, I think there's a growing

1162
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 5: impatience with him. It's really been throughout this whole season.

1163
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1164
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 4: Now, even with that win, all the Steelers needed to

1165
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 4: do Austin was go beat Cleveland yesterday and then Week

1166
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 4: eighteen wouldn't have mattered. The Pittsburgh Steelers would be in

1167
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 4: the playoffs. Now they had to go without DK metcalf

1168
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers went twenty one to thirty nine. They mounted

1169
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 4: a last drive Austin where they could have tied the game,

1170
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 4: and Marquez Valdez Scantling got all the targets, which doesn't

1171
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 4: make much sense considering Pat Fryermuth was a monster on

1172
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 4: that drive. Year is it correct? It has to be

1173
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 4: for Pittsburgh fans. One of the most maddening losses in

1174
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 4: recent years. And I think all the problems that folks

1175
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 4: have with Mike Tomlin and these teams to find ways

1176
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 4: to get big wins and then give them right back

1177
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 4: by losing a game in the Cleveland Browns where you

1178
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 4: just had to win and get into the playoffs instead,

1179
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 4: it sets up Week eighteen, winner take all Pittsburgh hosting

1180
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 4: the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday Night Football. Any big takeaway

1181
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 4: from the game itself. I know Pittsburgh was without DK Metcalf,

1182
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 4: and I think when you look at how they play

1183
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 4: and want to play, that's a big part of who

1184
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 4: they are. They need a guy that can win the

1185
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 4: one on one down the field matchups, and I don't

1186
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 4: think they had that yesterday. Was it you mentioned that

1187
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 4: that Pittsburgh's going to go as Jalen Warren and Kenneth

1188
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 4: Gainwell go. They didn't have great games yesterday. Pittsburgh didn't

1189
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 4: have a chance to get it going.

1190
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 5: I think they'll have a much better matchup. I know

1192
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 5: we make fun of the matchup thing, but Cleveland, I

1193
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 5: mean that defense is legit. It's a Super Bowl caliber defense.

1194
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 5: And to go at Denzel Ward three times in a

1195
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 5: row crazy. It doesn't matter if it's Aj Green or

1196
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase or anybody out there. Thrown at Denzel Ward

1197
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 5: three times in a row is just silly. He's that

1198
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 5: good of a player, and that's what Aaron Rodgers chose

1199
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 5: to do with MVS. I don't trust their offense, but

1200
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 5: I don't think Baltimore is as good defensively as Cleveland is,

1201
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 5: and I think that game being at home gives Baltimore

1202
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 5: or gives Pittsburgh a bit of an advantage. And who

1203
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 5: knows who the quarterback is going to be for the

1204
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 5: Baltimore ran I.

1205
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Speaker 4: Have no idea at this point, but it does set

1206
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 4: up a big, big Sunday night football matchup next weekend.

1207
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 4: Anything else from the NFL front that we did not

1208
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 4: get to that happened over the weekend, I know you

1209
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: mentioned Michael Parsons is undergoing surgery, so he looks to

1210
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 4: get back. Anything else that we've missed that needs to

1211
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 4: be highlighted from yesterday, not that I can think of.

1212
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 4: I mean, they did finalize the week eighteen schedule. The

1213
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 4: Bengals will host the Browns at one pm at pay

1214
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 4: Corps Stadium. Bengals currently seven point favorites in that game.

1215
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit surprised that by that that Panthers

1216
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 4: Buccaneer game will be the Saturday game four thirty is

1217
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 4: gonna be two Saturday ye in Tampa, followed by Seahawks

1218
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 4: and San Francisco. What a Saturday that is? Sign me

1219
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 4: up any other games.

1220
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 5: The other note The other thing too is Josh Allen

1221
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 5: had a foot injury, but the X rays did come

1222
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 5: back negative. That might be something to keep an eye

1223
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 5: on as we march towards the.

1224
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 6: Playoffs as well.

1225
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 4: It's always interesting to watch this week of teams that

1226
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 4: need to play, what the meaningful games are, who can

1227
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 4: help themselves, who cannot? What players are you know, playing

1228
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 4: for incentives and things like that. As the playoffs sit

1229
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 4: right now, Denver is your one seed, New England two,

1230
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 4: Jacksonville three, Pittsburgh is the four Texans, Chargers Bills round

1231
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 4: out five, six seven In the NFC. Seattle is your

1232
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 4: current one seed. Then you have the Bears, Eagles, Panthers,

1233
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 4: followed by the Niners, Rams, and Packers. How would you

1234
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 4: like to feel Austin being one of those higher seeds

1235
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 4: that has to see the forty nine Ers or Rams

1236
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 4: in the first game? Good luck, yep, good luck, godspeed, Jongle,

1237
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 4: god speed will take a break. Your talkbacks come next

1238
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 4: on the Monday midday Quarterback on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

1239
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 4: Sports Station.

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01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 15: Hey, x press the microphone and record your message for

1241
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 15: Austin and tone.

1242
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 6: Please keep it clean and don't be mean.

1243
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 9: And sprinkle sprinkle drip drifts.

1244
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 15: It's that type of talkbacks. It's our favorite part since

1245
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 15: three sixty So Austin, buddy, play those tunkbacks on your

1246
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 15: screen and please try out to sabotage.

1247
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 4: All right, it's the Monday midday quarterback edition of Talkbacks.

1248
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 4: Thank you for listening right here on ESPN fifteen thirty

1249
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 4: Cincinnati Sports Station.

1250
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: Hey, I hate to be that overly optimistic Bengals fan,

1251
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 3: but I am hopeful for next season because the offense

1252
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 3: looks like we expected them to look. The defense it

1253
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: seems to.

1254
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 6: Be coming around.

1255
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 3: These young guys are starting to develop and that is

1256
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 3: very encouraging to see. Maybe it was just giving them

1257
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 3: opportunities to play, and Rumo didn't like to give the

1258
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 3: young guys an opportunity to play always. So I am

1259
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 3: hopeful for that.

1260
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 4: But okay, nothing wrong with a little bit of kool

1261
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 4: aid New Year's resolutions.

1262
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 16: But at the same time, you know, I don't want

1263
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 16: to be the overly fatalistic Banks fans that a lot

1264
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 16: of us seem to be where you know, the sky's

1265
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 16: falling and you know you got a tank and get

1266
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 16: a good draft pick.

1267
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 3: But if you do that, you're cutting your nose off,

1268
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 3: spy your face, because you're gonna piss Joe Burrow off.

1269
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 3: You're not gonna let the defense develop, and you're gonna

1270
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 3: go into next season probably starting off slow because everybody's

1271
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 3: gonna be fractured in the locker room.

1272
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 6: Seems like quite the conundrum.

1273
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 7: What's up, guys, big Cahouna in Kentucky?

1274
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 6: What up?

1275
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 7: Looking at it next year's schedule? You know, I'm expected

1276
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 7: to be fifteen to two sixteen and one will probably

1277
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 7: be the one seed. But I think we're gonna have

1278
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 7: a lot of blowout games like we've had these last

1279
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 7: two games. But you think that, you know, we're not

1280
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 7: gonna be challenged enough right there at the end of

1281
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 7: the games and guys not playing the fourth quarter a lot.

1282
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 7: Do you think that will affect us in the playoffs

1283
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 7: next year? You know, because you know those games are

1284
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 7: gonna be tightest, that will be blowout like those Greguer

1285
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 7: season games are. And then I say, you shut everybody

1286
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 7: down here for the last week. Don't get hurt.

1287
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 4: Get Yeah, I'd shut him down for the last week.

1288
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 4: Should be shut down. Sounds like something got the best name.

1289
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 4: That's a holiday season.

1290
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 17: Now, forget the seventy two Dolphins, forget the eighty five Bears,

1291
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 17: forget Tom Brady's Patriots. There is no better NFL team

1292
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 17: in history than the Cincinnati Bengals when they have nothing

1293
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 17: to play.

1294
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 6: For him preach man, preach tough pill to swallow.

1295
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 18: There.

1296
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 12: This is former President Ronald Reagan, And well, I have

1297
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 12: questions for the new year. Will this be the year

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Speaker 12: Josh Allen advances to the Super Bowl? Now that the

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Speaker 12: Bengals and Chiefs aren't in the playoffs? No, will Justin

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Speaker 12: Herbert actually win a playoff game this year? And will

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Speaker 12: it be Lamar Jackson or Aaron Rodgers who backs into

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Speaker 12: the playoffs on teams that act like they don't want

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Speaker 12: to see the postseason.

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Speaker 5: It would be very funny to me if Snoop Puntley

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Speaker 5: goes to Pittsburgh and wins and gets Baltimore into the

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Speaker 5: playoff and then Lamar comes back and they lose in

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Speaker 5: the first round.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd be tough. That would be really funny. That'd

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Speaker 6: be tough.

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Speaker 5: I also think that would be the scenario in which

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Speaker 5: maybe Rogers sticks around one more year. Okay, if they

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Speaker 5: lose like that, you know, if it's close, yep, Rogers

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01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 5: looks around. He's like, I had too much fun with

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Speaker 5: these guys. One more I'll stick around for one more year, Okay,

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Speaker 5: although I don't think that's.

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Speaker 17: Gonna I keep having this reoccurring nightmare of the ESPN

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Speaker 17: ticker at the bottom sitting breaking news the Cincinnati Bengals

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Speaker 17: have agreed to a three year, thirty million dollar contract extension,

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Speaker 17: which he knows Stone. This reminds me too much of

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Speaker 17: the Bobby Hart situation, where Bobby Hart came in, was

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Speaker 17: a horrible offensive lineman and yet immediately got a three year,

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01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 17: twenty one million dollar contract. Bengals front office scares me.

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Speaker 6: Could you imagine I'll be Hart? Geno Stone, God, he's awful.

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Speaker 19: Tony Austin, are we even sure that Jordan Love is

1325
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 19: the best quarterback in Green Bay?

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01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 11: Malik Willis looks like he might.

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Speaker 18: Have all the tools.

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Speaker 6: I'll take my answer off the air. Great question, Great question.

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Speaker 6: Malik Willis might make a little bit of money this year.

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Speaker 4: You remember when the Titans at one point had they

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Speaker 4: drafted Malik Willis, they had Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 6: Mike Frable was the coach. I remember what a time.

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Speaker 20: Hey, Tony Hay, Austin Paul from Cleaves here. I got

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Speaker 20: to go to the game yesterday tickets. So I took

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01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 20: my boys to their first game. And uh, the one

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Speaker 20: takeaway that I'll like to like to give to you

1337
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 20: guys is the defensive line play. I thought Miles Murphy

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Speaker 20: wasn't fantastic yesterday.

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Speaker 6: If Joanah Williams was on that line.

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Speaker 20: Yesterday, I'm glad we got rid of it because he

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01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 20: made Miles Murphy look like an All Star.

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Speaker 6: So I thought, I thought that was the biggest takeaway

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Speaker 6: from me.

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Speaker 5: All Right, all right, I believe Jonah Williams is hurt.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Joanah Williams on man, Yeah, I don't

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01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 5: think he has played the last couple of weeks. Shout

1347
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 5: out to Jonah. That was an interesting guy that played

1348
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Speaker 5: for the Bengals. It's showing a lot of interesting guys

1349
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Speaker 5: that have played for him.

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Speaker 19: Number one priority for this offseason right now is not

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Speaker 19: resigning anybody.

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Speaker 6: At four to ten.

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Speaker 19: Next Sunday afternoon, we need to have fifteen people holding

1354
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 19: the door in the locker room open for Geno Stone

1355
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 19: to walk out and give him a police escort.

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Speaker 7: Out of town once, once for all.

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Speaker 6: Now that's Jeff and Virginia.

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01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 4: He tweeted at me last week said he was given

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 4: up on all since the media wow, and and now

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Speaker 4: he's back.

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Speaker 6: I hope.

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Speaker 18: So.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to lose Jeff. I don't want to

1364
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Speaker 6: lose Jeff either. I'm just I'm confused.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Shout out to Chase Brown so solid. Love Miles Murphy lately,

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01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 14: Jalen Davis, I think dj Ivy can be a piece

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Speaker 14: back there, you know. I think they need to draft

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Speaker 14: a defensive tackle and a safety and then try to

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Speaker 14: get maybe defensive tackle, safety, linebacker free agency.

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Speaker 6: Great a great peppy Patty here.

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Speaker 21: Married guys, and as you saw on Twitter, Tony and

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Speaker 21: Austin were a big part of my Christmas morning. My

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Speaker 21: husband and daughter were so excited to give me both

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Speaker 21: and my T shirts, my Tony Pike Hall of Fame

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01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 21: shirt and my three sixty shirt. And I did not

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Speaker 21: have the heart to tell my husband already have the

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Speaker 21: since e three sixty shirts. I did not tell him,

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Speaker 21: but anyway, it was really sweet of them, and since

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Speaker 21: ea shirts was awesome and they whipped him right up

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Speaker 21: to them. So thanks so much, guys.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Peppy, thank you.

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Speaker 7: It's the Lord.

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Speaker 22: Happy victory meaningless Monday. Oh boy, I got a start

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Speaker 22: bench cut taking down Christmas decorations right after Christmas, taking

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01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 22: down Christmas decorations after New Year's taking Christmas decorations down

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Speaker 22: the middle to the end of January.

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Speaker 4: We are normally right after, so that's normally started. We're

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Speaker 4: a little bit late this year. So I will start, uh,

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01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 4: kind of that in between. I'll bench right after christmins

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01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 4: and then I'll cut the later.

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01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 5: Really yeah, Now Meredith puts up and you and Meredith

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 5: put up the decorations around end of September. Yeah, and

1394
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 5: then you you take him down right away normally.

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01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 6: Yes, the season is over. Wow, the happiness is going.

1396
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 6: You know, the season is done. That's okay. A win

1397
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 6: is a win.

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01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 23: Catch threatened rep in the city out here and Sonny.

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Speaker 12: What up?

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01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 6: Body? Hope you got Christmas was good? Man was great, yo.

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01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 9: The Cardinals.

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 23: When I received with Michael Wilson, Yo, I met him

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01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 23: twice already out here. Matter of fact, he gets the

1404
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 23: car from the dealership, So I wasn't surprised to see

1405
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 23: him shine like that. Boy, he'll make a nice receiver

1406
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 23: on our team, won't he. And while we gotta played

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01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 23: Joe Brow next week against Miles Garrett, real, we gotta

1408
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 23: be the butter in that joke. He finished the season strong, Bengals,

1409
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 23: and I'm worried about you see me both.

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01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,879
Speaker 6: We'll talk about you see this week.

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01:10:54,680 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 24: And how about that Kodiak bear run for twenty one yards?

1412
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 24: Bangles Kodiak, I get it in that asc West Besides

1413
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 24: the Cardinals is a jugdernaut One of those three teams

1414
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 24: are gonna win it all, and.

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01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 6: CMC should be the MVP. Hemmer Stafford, have a good day.

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01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 4: Who know who I forgot about yesterday? Marvin Harrison Junior. Yeah,

1417
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 4: I know, he looks lost. He was not one hundred percent.

1418
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 4: He had a heel injury, so he didn't have a

1419
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 4: full slate of reps.

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01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 6: Okay, but yeah, okay, yeah, he's not good.

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 8: Right.

1422
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 5: Christian McCaffrey. By the way, about two, he's knocking on

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 5: the door.

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01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 6: What was that.

1425
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I have to keep my door open because

1426
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 4: it's four thousand degrees.

1427
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 6: Someone yelling like that.

1428
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 4: Outside the studios, Gary Jeff Walker is going down the

1429
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 4: hallways screaming at people.

1430
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, So I apologize for that anyways. Christian

1431
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 5: McCaffrey is about to have a thousand yards receiving in

1432
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 5: a thousand yards rushing for the second time in his career.

1433
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 5: Other players have done it. Marshall falk was won, McCaffrey

1434
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 5: did it in twenty nineteen with the Panthers. Other guys

1435
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 5: have done it. I think only three others have ever

1436
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 5: done it. Nobody's ever done it twice. McCaffrey is on

1437
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 5: the verge doing it for.

1438
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 6: A second time. Question.

1439
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 4: Now, if the Steelers and the Ravens pie next week,

1440
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 4: does that mean the Bengals automatically get in.

1441
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 6: Nope, I don't think so. No, the Bengal bought double up.

1442
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 23: Since my team's not in the playoffs, I'm definitely looking

1443
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 23: at the Buffalo Bills, no excuses get to the Super Bowl.

1444
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 23: Don't want to hear that talk about Josh Allen next

1445
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 23: season because Joe Burrow's taking over for the next few seasons.

1446
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 6: Don't want to hear that quarterback talk. So it's definitely

1447
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 6: definitely Buffalo.

1448
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 23: I'm watching the Patriots or the team to beat on

1449
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 23: the AFC side, and ANC side is either Chicago.

1450
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 6: Or Seattle's won't watch it? And man, can you see football?

1451
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 17: Just win a bowl game?

1452
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 6: No, it's going to be a tough one. This is

1453
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 6: truly horrible.

1454
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 4: Is that Bowl games gonna be tough? We'll talk about

1455
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 4: that this week. And to be quite honest, Lipscomb, tonight

1456
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 4: might be tough. Lipscomb, Oh my god, star tell this suck.

1457
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 11: Oh my god, that's happy he finally got anyway.

1458
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 6: I love you, guys, thank you, love you too. I'm

1459
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 6: reading through a couple of these to make sure it's

1460
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,839
Speaker 6: safe to be Yeah.

1461
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 7: Play.

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 15: Forgive me if I'm not excited about Cody Ford's twenty

1463
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,799
Speaker 15: one yard stumbled to the jungle?

1464
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 18: Do you know what he did to that TikTok girl?

1465
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: He broke her, poor heart.

1466
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 18: You guys are sick for even talking about it.

1467
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 6: Oh man, oh man.

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01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 5: I did hear a couple of people bring up t

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01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 5: T the other day? If you know about t T,

1470
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 5: you know? Uh, but let the big man rumble on

1471
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 5: his birthday if you know you know.

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01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 25: So, don't ever mention the Epstein files and the talkback

1473
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 25: or else Austin will sabotage you. Hey, the Detroit Lions,

1474
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 25: your opportunity is closed. You guys are getting old or

1475
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 25: not better? Is it time to move on from Dan Campbell?

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01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 7: Question mark?

1477
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 25: Hey Bengals, they always do some spectacular stuff against the

1478
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 25: Arizona Cardinals. Remembered your own Simpson's flip into the end zone.

1479
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 25: Now we got Cody Ford rumbling, bumbling, stumbling.

1480
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 6: Yeah that's right, Yeah, that's right.

1481
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1482
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 4: I think I think last week there was an Epstein

1483
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 4: files mentioned, trying to put someone in the Epstein Files.

1484
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 4: I just felt like maybe we should stay away.

1485
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 6: I just move on from it. Yeah, that's fine.

1486
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 5: General rule of thumb that probably will not get played

1487
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 5: anything political or anything about the Epstein.

1488
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 6: We pretty much stay away, stay away from here. Yeah,

1489
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 6: that's what we do. That was our last one.

1490
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 4: All right, we will come back. We've got another football

1491
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 4: in the NAT and plenty more still to go. It's

1492
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 4: now till three o'clock the Monday midday Quarterback on ESPN

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01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 4: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1494
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: Football in the NATI blutch you in part by Bud

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: Light and by Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty, The

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01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: Official Home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 4: Welcome back football in the NATI number two ESPN fifteen

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01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 4: thirty Cincinnati Sports station on the Monday mid day Quarterback

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01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 4: five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty. Will take

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01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 4: your phone calls as well. Let's uh, let's switch a

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01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 4: little bit here, or or let's shift a little bit

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01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 4: to the college football world. It's hard, Austin, I mentioned

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01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 4: this to you before the show. I can't get into

1504
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 4: bowl season really at all. Outside of the College Football Playoff,

1505
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 4: these bowl games have been tough.

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 6: I don't think I've watched a second of any.

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01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 4: Of them, and like some of them have been really

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 4: good games, like the BYU Georgia Tech was a really

1509
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 4: good football game.

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01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 6: I just can't. I can't get into him now.

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01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 5: I was a little bit interested in the Pop Tarts Bowl,

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01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 5: just because of all the stuff surrounding the Pop Tarts Bowl,

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01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 5: but even that I didn't watch it.

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 4: Like Georgia Tech took a twenty one to ten lead

1515
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 4: BYU scored fifteen in the fourth to win. It's a

1516
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 4: good game. I thought Houston LSU was exciting. Thirty eight

1517
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 4: thirty five. How about Lane Kiffin like leaving early after

1518
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 4: doing his TV.

1519
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 6: Thingw about that? What about Penn State and Clemson? That

1520
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 6: was a fun one. Where was that game played? That

1521
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 6: a bad boy mower's pinstripe bawl Oh, that was a

1522
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 6: Yankee stadium?

1523
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, now service academies in bowl games, not who

1524
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 4: you want to see. That was true for Yukon. Army

1525
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 4: beat Yukon forty one to sixteen.

1526
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 6: Yukon made a bowl game. Yukon was nine and a

1527
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 6: four this year. Who's the head coach at Yukon's This

1528
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 6: is it still Randy Etzel? Is it is he back?

1529
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1530
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about Yukon football other than Dane

1531
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 4: Orlovski went there. They beat Buffalo and ball State. This

1532
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 4: year they beat Duke, They beat the ACC champions, the

1533
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 4: Duke Blue Devils.

1534
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,839
Speaker 5: I saw Toledo almost knocked off Louisville in the Bush's

1535
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 5: Baked Beans Boca Ratone Bowl.

1536
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, our guy Rocky Boyman was on the call right now.

1537
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 4: It does set up, and we'll spend time this week

1538
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 4: on the Liberty Bowl, which happens on Friday.

1539
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 6: But we're gonna spend time on it.

1540
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, absolutely, okay, But we do get back to

1541
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 4: at least the major action here the college football playoff

1542
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 4: games that are going to happen starting on Wednesday and

1543
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 4: then moving over into Thursday afternoon. So New Year's Eve night,

1544
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 4: you get Ohio State in Miami. We were talking about

1545
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 4: this before the show today, Austin, what is your confidence

1546
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 4: level or is there a concern level that Miami possesses

1547
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 4: for Ohio State.

1548
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 6: I think I feel confident. I don't know that I

1549
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 6: feel concerned.

1550
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 4: I just don't expect Ohio State to blow them out,

1551
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 4: Like I don't expect it to be a two or

1552
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 4: three touchdown game.

1553
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 5: I know right now Ohio State's favored at nine and

1554
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 5: a half. And that actually kind of fits what I

1555
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,560
Speaker 5: said talking to you to you about this pregame or

1556
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 5: pre show. It's like, I feel like it's a seven

1557
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 5: to ten point game just because Miami upfront has a

1558
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 5: couple of guys who are going to be top fifteen picks,

1559
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 5: including one guy who's been mocked to the Bengals several

1560
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 5: times in Rubin Bain, and every time Ohio State has

1561
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 5: played a top flight defensive line it's only happened twice

1562
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 5: this year, and the other time was Indiana.

1563
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:27,520
Speaker 6: They kind of got manhandled.

1564
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 5: Hio State's going to be without a starter in Teger

1565
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 5: Shabola not going to be playing in this game. So

1566
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 5: I think offensively, especially with Ryan Day calling the plays

1567
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 5: and Brian Hartline not there or at least not calling

1568
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 5: the plays, I think it could be an offensive struggle

1569
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 5: for Ohio State. But because mar No Carson Beck does

1570
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 5: not concern me and I might have to eat those words.

1571
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 5: But Matt Patricia having all this time to get ready

1572
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 5: for Miami, I think gives Ohio State a big advantage.

1573
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 4: That game is Wednesday night and then Thursday in New

1574
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 4: Year's Day. You get three different college football playoff games

1575
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 4: on Wednesday night. Oh wow, Yeah, I didn't even realize

1576
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 4: that they go Wednesday night and then you go right

1577
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 4: at noon on Thursday. Oregon Texas Tech. How about Oregon

1578
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 4: a two and a half point favorite on the road.

1579
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 4: I'm not sorry. These aren't home games this This game

1580
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 4: is being played at hard Rock Stadium in Miami, so

1581
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 4: I'm sure there'll be a plenty of Tech. I would

1582
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 4: imagine a lot more Texas than Texas Tech will travel. Well, yeah,

1583
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 4: I'm big on Texas Tech.

1584
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 6: I have been.

1585
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 4: I think they're going to win that game. I think

1586
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 4: they're the better team offensively and defensively. So you're sprinkling

1587
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 4: sprinkling a little bit of.

1588
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 6: A tech now.

1589
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 4: Dan Lanning is a fantastic coach. Uh and I give

1590
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 4: Oregon because the benefit of that. We saw it last

1591
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 4: year Austin. The teams that played in that initial round

1592
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 4: all went on to win their next games. The teams

1593
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 4: that the four teams that had to buys last year

1594
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 4: all lost. I don't think that's the case this year,

1595
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 4: but I think there is something to getting that game

1596
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 4: in between. We're talking about a month off for a

1597
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 4: team like Texas Tech, Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia that can

1598
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 4: that can be tough to respond from. But outside of

1599
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 4: Texas Tech Oregon, if if you've got Alabama, Indiana and

1600
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 4: the Old Miss Georgia game, who is more likely to

1601
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 4: pull off the upset as the lower seeded team.

1602
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 5: I feel like it's Alabama, just because I think Georgia

1603
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 5: is just a machine right now, and I don't I

1604
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 5: still don't know if I fully believe in Old Miss Sabama.

1605
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 4: Thing's crazy because that's the team that everyone's like they

1606
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 4: shouldn't be in and now a lot of people are

1607
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 4: saying they're gonna beat Indiana. Yeah, I don't know if

1608
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 4: I'd go that far, but seven feels like a lot

1609
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 4: for Indiana to be favored in that game. I just

1610
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 4: feel like they have the best chance to pull off

1611
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 4: the upset because I'm with you. I think Texas Tech

1612
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 4: is gonna kind of win comfortably over Oregon, and I

1613
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 4: don't think Georgia is really going to struggle with Old Miss.

1614
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 4: But Indiana maybe in lost in the pageantry, in the

1615
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 4: moment of oh crap, we're in the Rose Bowl. We're

1616
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 4: the number one team in the country and that's Alabama

1617
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 4: right there. Ye, that could maybe catch up to them.

1618
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 4: But I do get the feeling that it'll be chalk

1619
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 4: when it comes to the favorites this round. Okay, that's

1620
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 4: the feeling I get. But I think if anybody has

1621
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 4: the best chance, I would put it on Alabama. Okay, again,

1622
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 4: it's a noon Oregon, Texas Tech four o'clock, Alabama, Indiana

1623
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 4: eight o'clock, Old Miss Georgia. Those all follow Ohio State, Indiana,

1624
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 4: which will be Wednesday night at seven thirty. And then

1625
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 4: of course you wake up Friday at four thirty. You've

1626
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 4: got Bearcats and Navy in Memphis at the Liberty Bowl.

1627
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 4: We'll take one final break for this hour. We'll put

1628
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 4: a bow one Hour number two next on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1629
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 4: Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to our friends at Cincy Shirts.

1630
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 4: Here on the Monday Midday Quarterback.

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01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

1632
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1633
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 2: From the Stacey Heating temp Star Weather Center.

1634
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 4: Welcome back Monday Midday Quarterback Hour number two, ESPN fifteen thirty,

1635
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 4: Cincinnati Sports Station. Real quickly talking a little bit in

1636
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 4: the last segment there and talkbacks, one of our talkbackers

1637
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 4: said that Christian McCaffrey should be the MVP of the

1638
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 4: National Football League. McCaffrey's a name you see thrown around

1639
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 4: a lot. Drake May I think has a very good

1640
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,839
Speaker 4: case for it. Is tonight a chance for Matthew Stafford

1641
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 4: to win the MVP. Has he done enough over the

1642
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 4: course of the year. I mean, I think he's the MVP.

1643
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 4: I don't even think it's close. Do you think he's

1644
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 4: already the guy?

1645
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 6: Yeah? You think standalone?

1646
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1647
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 4: Nothing could change that. I mean if he comes out

1648
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 4: is terrible yeah, I mean, but he can he can

1649
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 4: all but solidify it tonight in your opinion.

1650
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think it's it's mostly solidified. I

1651
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 5: do think Miles Garrett has a case. Okay, I know

1652
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 5: that's maybe not the most popular opinion. I do think

1653
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 5: he has a case. And CMC I think would be

1654
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 5: up there as well. But I don't know that anybody

1655
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 5: really is close to Stafford at the moment, and maybe

1656
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 5: Drake may listen to these names. So Drake May's plus

1657
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 5: one eighty. Matthew Stafford is minus two thirty, so he

1658
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 5: is the overwhelming favorite right now for regular season MVP.

1659
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 5: Any guess at who number three is right now? Pooka

1660
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,440
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence, Oh wow, Okay, Trevor.

1661
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 4: Lawrence, and then Katleb Williams and Josh Allen plus fifteen thousand.

1662
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert is up there. Christian McCaffrey's plus fifty thousand.

1663
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1664
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 6: And it's just not a it's it's it's a quarterback award.

1665
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 18: It is.

1666
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 4: I don't like it, but it is right now leading

1667
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 4: the way at least I'm looking on DraftKings just the

1668
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,799
Speaker 4: odds offensive Rookie of the Year McMillan from the Panthers

1669
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 4: minus one oh five. Yeah, any other one you think

1670
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 4: you would lean to for Rookie of the Year. I

1671
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 4: think it should be Tyler Shuck. He is plus one hundred,

1672
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 4: so he is very close. I think he should be. Yeah,

1673
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 4: I think he should be Travon Henderson. Remember early in

1674
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 4: the year Buka was the guy. He has fallen off.

1675
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 4: Him and Travon Henderson both plus twelve. Yeah, defensive Rookie

1676
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 4: of the Year and he guess I don't even know

1677
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 4: Twice Singer minus six hundred, unfortunately, not even close. DraftKings

1678
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 4: Offensive Player of the Year minus one fifty JSNM, Pookahs

1679
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 4: plus two forty, Christian McCaffrey plus four to fifty. Now

1680
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 4: I could see JSNS has been ridiculous. I could have

1681
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 4: seen McCaffrey making more of a push for that, But

1682
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 4: the year that JSN has had and Pooka aku, it's

1683
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 4: hard to.

1684
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 6: Go against that. Yeah, I would say one of those

1685
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 6: two guys.

1686
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year minus twenty thousand, Miles Miles

1687
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 4: Garrett come back, Christian McCaffrey minus One's.

1688
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 6: Borough on there?

1689
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 9: Or is it not?

1690
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 6: Burrow? Is Flacco on there?

1691
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 8: No?

1692
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 4: Okay, Trevor Lawrence Philip Rivers is plus four thousand. I

1693
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 4: mean he came back, Yeah, he came back.

1694
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 26: He did.

1695
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 4: Would you play well, I don't have this on Draftking.

1696
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 4: Who would you have as your coach.

1697
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 6: Of the year? Is it Shanahan?

1698
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 17: No?

1699
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 6: Really no, I don't think so. McDonald was Seattle.

1700
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he'd be like the first one that

1701
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 5: comes to my mind. I mean, Vrabel's up there, Vrabel

1702
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 5: Cohen or uh Liam Cohen.

1703
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 6: Is up there.

1704
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Sean Payton's got that Broncos thirteen and three.

1705
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 4: I think one name that we're Ben Johnson overlooking is

1706
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 4: Demiico Ryans in Houston, Okay, With as much as they

1707
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 4: lost and the fact that they're on an eight game

1708
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 4: win streak. Three of those games, by the way, were

1709
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 4: won by Davis Mills. Oh boy, and the injuries that

1710
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 4: they've had on offense, I think Demiko Ryans is a

1711
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 4: sneaky good candidate there. But I would say Mike mc

1712
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 4: donald or Demiico Ryans, yeah, would be my guess.

1713
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 6: Then probably very able. Yeah, I mean there are some

1714
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 6: good candidates this year.

1715
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 4: Not going to be any either of the guys from

1716
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh or Baltimore. I saw a Pittsburgh Steeler fan who

1717
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 4: I have known for most of my life post a

1718
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 4: meme over the weekend, and it will, you know how

1719
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 4: like it fades from one picture to another picture.

1720
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was.

1721
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 5: The first picture was Mike Tomlin, and over the course

1722
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 5: of the fading into the other pictures, it turned into

1723
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 5: Marvin Lewis. Oh, so that's where Steelers fans are at.

1724
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, right now.

1725
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 4: Mentally, I know a couple of Steeler fans that would

1726
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 4: happily take Zach Taylor over Mike Tomlin.

1727
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, like I've asked them that. Yeah, I know, like absolutely,

1728
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Speaker 5: you know people like Zach Taylor. I think the national

1729
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 5: view of him is not nearly as bad as the

1730
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 5: local view of him is. Sure, I know in the

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01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 5: locker room there have been some dudes that have gone

1732
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 5: to bat for Zach Taylor.

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01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 5: I don't feel like I know everybody is. It's still

1735
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 5: a lot of fire z act Taylor. Yesterday at the game,

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01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 5: I saw guys with custom hats that said fire z

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01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 5: act Taylor. I don't know that that's the answer to

1738
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 5: the problems. It could be, it could be a helpful thing. Sure,

1739
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 5: don't know. That that's the answer to the problems.

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01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 26: It is.

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01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 4: It's it's part of kind of what gets lost in

1742
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 4: the shuffle of how you view the stretch of games

1743
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 4: that they're going to have to end the year and

1744
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 4: what that does to change the overall feel of wearing

1745
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 4: who this team is. Our number three is coming up,

1746
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 4: you're taking over in the third and final hour. What

1747
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 4: do you got coming up? I'm going to talk to

1748
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 4: James R. Peene James start of our number two. Although

1749
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,679
Speaker 4: James has been you know, he's been taking some shots

1750
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 4: at you and me. Yeah, And I understand why. I

1751
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 4: don't want to bore friends here. I don't want to

1752
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 4: bore people with it on the air, but I would

1753
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,560
Speaker 4: like to see, like, you know, what, what did we do?

1754
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 4: Like what's going on that we're taking up so much

1755
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 4: real estate inside your dome piece. But I want to

1756
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 4: ask you because he put up a couple of polls

1757
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 4: about Zach Taylor, about Duke Tobin. I'm curious what he

1758
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 4: thinks the Bengals get out of these last couple of games.

1759
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 4: We'll talk about Burrow potentially playing in week eighteen, and

1760
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 4: so much more talking about fossils. Yeah, okay, yeah, good

1761
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 4: all right, I'm off Twin Peaks in Westchester from three

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01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 4: to six. Austin has our number three. If you can

1763
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 4: stop out today, do so. We'll have some fun and

1764
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 4: we'll talk some Bengals along the way at the Cincy

1765
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 4: three sixty the Monday midday Quarterback on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,

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01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,639
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01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: In hot grilled subs, fresh cut fries in lemonade. It's

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Speaker 1: all about good taste. Penn Station East Coast Subs order

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Speaker 1: on line today. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Hello, welcome in our three Tony Pikes Monday midday

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Speaker 5: Quarterback here ONPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore, Tony on

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01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 5: his way to Twin Peaks for the final or the

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01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 5: penultimate Tony and Mo football show coming up in Westchester

1776
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 5: this afternoon from three to six. So let's continue the

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01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 5: football conversation, talking Bengals with the man who covers the

1778
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 5: Bengals for Sports Illustrated, Locked on Bengals and More. His

1779
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 5: name is James Rapine, longtime friend of the show, making

1780
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 5: time for me on a Monday. Hi, James, how are you?

1781
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 18: I'm great anytime I can be on Tony Pike's Monday

1782
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 18: Midday and Midday Tony Pikes Quarterback Show. I'm great to

1783
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 18: be here.

1784
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 6: We certainly are are happy to have you.

1785
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 5: My question is, you know, I was at the game

1786
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 5: yesterday and I kind of started thinking, like, this feels

1787
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 5: like a preseason game to me. How much do you

1788
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 5: really take out of what you saw against the Dolphins

1789
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 5: and what you saw yesterday against the Cardinals if you're the.

1790
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 18: Bengals, I mean offensively, not like very little, right, I mean,

1791
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 18: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chath and T Higgins are good at football,

1792
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 18: so wow, you know, Chase Brown pretty solid. You know,

1793
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 18: I think the offensive line is always in evaluation mode.

1794
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 18: And I it's a damn shame Austin because one of

1795
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 18: my takeaways is and it's not necessarily because of the opponents,

1796
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 18: but you see some of these stats, and even the

1797
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 18: Bengals tweeted one out a few hours ago, and the

1798
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 18: fact that Joe Burrow threw from a clean pocket twenty

1799
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 18: three times yesterday. I don't care who's on the other side.

1800
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 18: But like people listening have dreamt for moments like this,

1801
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 18: and they're six and ten, and it sucks because I

1802
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 18: do think that this offense is pretty complete, elite quarterback,

1803
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 18: really good weapons, offensive line wise, Like, it sucks. It

1804
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 18: sucks that they couldn't go you know, four and five

1805
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 18: without Joe Burrow and went one in eight without him

1806
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 18: because the offense is ready to go right now, which

1807
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 18: is is a good thing. But as far as overall

1808
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 18: takeaways for in the past couple of weeks, at least offensively,

1809
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 18: I don't think there's much to take away outside of

1810
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 18: the offensive line individually. I think there's some things that

1811
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 18: we'll probably get to during this call that we can discuss.

1812
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 5: On the defensive side of the ball. It feels like

1813
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 5: in the middle of the season, if you would have

1814
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 5: asked us, Okay, what players are you comfortable with going

1815
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 5: into next year, you maybe would have said one or

1816
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 5: two guys. Now I feel like there's five or six maybe,

1817
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 5: And that's not necessarily because of what's happened in the

1818
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 5: last couple of weeks. But what's happened really for the

1819
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 5: defense after the buye do you feel like they've gotten

1820
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 5: a lot more answers since the buye about some of

1821
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:40,679
Speaker 5: the guys.

1822
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 6: In their role for next year.

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01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 18: On defense, Yeah, I think that's I assume that's where

1824
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 18: you were going to go, because that's a big factor

1825
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 18: here down a stretch is the evaluation mode aspect of it.

1826
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 18: So we know what the proven guys can do, but

1827
01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 18: what about these unproven guys, and on defense there's a

1828
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 18: heck of a lot of them, or they are guys

1829
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 18: that have proved to be not the solution. And I

1830
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 18: think we have seen some solutions piece as I'm looking

1831
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 18: at and I just put up the depth start as

1832
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 18: you were talking. I feel confident in DJ Turner and

1833
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 18: Jack Sais starters on the outside in twenty twenty six.

1834
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 18: Feel good about both of those guys. I feel good

1835
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,719
Speaker 18: about Miles Murphy being a starter and a key piece

1836
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 18: at defensive end. I don't feel as good and I

1837
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 18: would not put Jordan Battle in the same class as

1838
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 18: those three, but I do think that you can win

1839
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 18: games with Jordan Battle as you're starting safety. He's made

1840
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 18: enough splash plays to show that. So those are four

1841
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 18: guys that I think are going to be around and

1842
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 18: you feel good about it and as you go down

1843
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 18: the depth chart. I think yesterday was a big day

1844
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 18: for Shamar Stewart for a few reasons. One and this

1845
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 18: happened to our guy, and it's my guy, John Ross.

1846
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 18: He got hurt as a rookie, and then all season

1847
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 18: what was it, oh Man didn't touch a pass as

1848
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:04,560
Speaker 18: a rookie didn't touch a pass? I mean it was

1849
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 18: it was just set over and over and over. I

1850
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,879
Speaker 18: did not want Shamar Stewart to go into the offseason

1851
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 18: like he never even had a sack as a rookie

1852
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 18: you only want to have in college. Like that would

1853
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,560
Speaker 18: have just hung over his head. And so whether or

1854
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 18: not you think Shamar Stewart's going to be good or not,

1855
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 18: he's going to be on the team next year, and

1856
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 18: you want him to be extremely productive next season if

1857
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 18: he isn't, even if he isn't a starter. So that's

1858
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 18: another guy I would throw out there. And so I

1859
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 18: feel really good about the secondary. I think you can

1860
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 18: fix that. I also thought the young linebackers played pretty

1861
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 18: well yesterday.

1862
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 8: Overall.

1863
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:40,560
Speaker 18: Brett Carter frustrated me with the Michael Wilson play, but

1864
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 18: overall I didn't I didn't notice them much, and I

1865
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 18: feel like that's a good thing.

1866
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 8: It's almost like offensive line play.

1867
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 18: If you're not noticing these linebackers, well at least they're

1868
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 18: not a net negative, which is a significant upgrade from

1869
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:56,759
Speaker 18: where they've been most of the season.

1870
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 6: Why has Gino Stone played as much as he has

1871
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 6: this season?

1872
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 8: Well, it's funny.

1873
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 18: You should ask how Golden? How Golden keep being praised

1874
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 18: on Geno still today?

1875
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 8: And I think now that is going to lead.

1876
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 5: To, oh, well, are you serious? What did Al Golden

1877
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 5: say today? I didn't see this? Are you being serious?

1878
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 18: You did not see this? And yeah, yeah, And so

1879
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:21,560
Speaker 18: I go to the stadium today. I just don't go

1880
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 18: him on Mondays. But my god, Mike Petra Petralia, I

1881
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 18: call him trag Petragli had to really bother him. Mike

1882
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 18: Petralia at Trags on.

1883
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 6: X there's a real quote, right, Okay.

1884
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,560
Speaker 18: The success that we've had in the whatever it is,

1885
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 18: the final eight games, a lot of it can be

1886
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 18: attributed to Gino. I think he's been a really good

1887
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 18: leader for us. I think his communication is exceptional. I

1888
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 18: think he gets us in the right defense when we

1889
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 18: need to be in the right defense. I think Jordan

1890
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 18: Gino myself included. Would all say, man, we'd like to

1891
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 18: have one back, one playback here, one play back there,

1892
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 18: but get in line. That's me included in terms of

1893
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,759
Speaker 18: putting the guys in the best position possible. Who wouldn't

1894
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 18: want to have a player a callback. So again, I

1895
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 18: think he's improved from last year, and I'm always looking

1896
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 18: at the positive and I see a pass forward for

1897
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 18: him to get better, continue to improve, and we're going

1898
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 18: to keep coaching him. That's fine, coach Away. It should

1899
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 18: only be one more game. I'll break the news now,

1900
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 18: Al Golden, you get one more game with Gino Stone

1901
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 18: and enjoy it any more than that than no one's

1902
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 18: paying attention. And I think the writing is on the wall.

1903
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 18: Even if even if Al Golden is trying to be

1904
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 18: nice here and play.

1905
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 6: The political you know these guys more than we do.

1906
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 6: Do you think he means what he says?

1907
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 17: So?

1908
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 18: Yes, but notice what he said there is he says

1909
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 18: like I think he's helped us play better now, it

1910
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 18: doesn't mean that he's still not the tense best player

1911
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 18: on the defense right right of the starters. And so

1912
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 18: I yeah, he made nowhere to go.

1913
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 8: But you better be able to make a play when

1914
01:35:58,320 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 8: you get there.

1915
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, he doesn't get there very well and he doesn't

1916
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 6: do anything.

1917
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 8: When he does get there, he looks like the shoulder

1918
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,600
Speaker 8: shitty thing like whatever that is, Like.

1919
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 18: That's the thing that you hit Tony Pike with when

1920
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 18: you guys are walking the halls and he's trying to

1921
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 18: tackle people in the NFL with that shoulder. But what

1922
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 18: are you doing, man, That's what you bump your friend with,

1923
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 18: trying to be funny, and well it's not funny, Gino,

1924
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 18: it's not funny.

1925
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 5: Do you think Joe Burrow should play next week against Cleveland?

1926
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 5: Zach Taylor said today he will.

1927
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 25: No.

1928
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 6: I wouldn't.

1929
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 18: Hell no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I just look, if

1930
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 18: there is anything to prove, it's that this offense can

1931
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 18: go out there and kick the snot out of that

1932
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 18: defense because they haven't done it right and it's always

1933
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 18: ugly and it's always something. So maybe maybe from that aspect, like,

1934
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 18: could we be feeling a little differently about this offense

1935
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 18: that they go out there and they just they hang

1936
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 18: forty on the Browns, Well, that would be something. But

1937
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 18: to me, it's just like I think back to last

1938
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 18: year and they were playing for something last year and

1939
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 18: they go to Pittsburgh and I know how bang dunk

1940
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 18: Joe was after that final game because it was a

1941
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 18: division matchup, and man did they get after him. I

1942
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 18: mean he was. He was pretty beat up.

1943
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 8: He was fine. I wouldn't say.

1944
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:21,600
Speaker 18: Injured, to be clear, but just beat up. Do you

1945
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 18: need Joe to be beat up? And he might and

1946
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,839
Speaker 18: he probably will be. Knowing that the history between these teams,

1947
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 18: I would hold him out, but obviously they're not, and

1948
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 18: they had their mind made up and he wants to play.

1949
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 18: I get it. My god, have a good game playing,

1950
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 18: Zach where Joe dominates the Bengals trying to suit the

1951
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 18: Browns for a second consecutive season, there's big stakes.

1952
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 8: On the line up.

1953
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 5: How much do you think that the offensive line playing

1954
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:49,759
Speaker 5: well factors into that decision?

1955
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 8: I don't think it does, which kind of sucks. I

1956
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 8: don't think it does, you know.

1957
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:02,560
Speaker 18: I it's a good test for them because of not

1958
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 18: just Miles Garrett, who's just all world and they know it,

1959
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 18: but Mason Graham, like that combo is just right fey,

1960
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 18: like it's a nightmare for the Bengals and what the

1961
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 18: Bengals do. And so we'll see how they hold up

1962
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 18: against it. I think you can feel a little bit

1963
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 18: better going into this matchup because of what they've done.

1964
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 18: But man, you just know the Bengals are gonna have

1965
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 18: to devote a ton to Miles Garrett one two. You'd

1966
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 18: better be healthy because we saw when a Marius went

1967
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 18: down as good as Cody Ford as as a receiver.

1968
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 18: He's a complete liability as an offensive lineman, so you

1969
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 18: can put him up outside not at tackle.

1970
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 5: You guys get the chance to talk to Joe Burrow

1971
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 5: on Wednesday, We know how ultra competitive he is. Do

1972
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 5: you have the guts to ask Joe Burrow if he

1973
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 5: will lay down for Miles Garrett like Brett Favre did

1974
01:38:58,720 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 5: for Michael Strahan.

1975
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 18: Do I have the guts to do that and ask

1976
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 18: that question?

1977
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 2: No?

1978
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 18: I don't. I mean probably just because I know the answer.

1979
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 18: Why Why I ask the question? You know the answer

1980
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 18: to He's not gonna lay down, lay down, and he'd

1981
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 18: probably just roll his eyes, right.

1982
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 8: I think the thing that sucks about this.

1983
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 18: Is anytime because he's going to get it, Like you

1984
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 18: just know he's going to get it. And the writing's

1985
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 18: been on the wall for like a month, and I

1986
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:35,959
Speaker 18: was like, maybe I'll get to it beforehand. So anytime

1987
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 18: now that they talk about Miles Garrett and sack record,

1988
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 18: it's going to show him sacking Joe Burrow, and that

1989
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:46,600
Speaker 18: alone might be a reason enough to say, you know what,

1990
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 18: don't play him Joe. Sorry, buddy, Jake Browning, sorry buddy,

1991
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 18: Sean Clifford, welcome now. But you know, I mean, I

1992
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 18: I keep going on, Audie Elmore, get your rear.

1993
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 5: End in there and let Miles Garrett get the right

1994
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 5: I could, I could rip the seam, but I think

1995
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 5: I think Miles didn't he get his one hundredth career

1996
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 5: sack against Joe last year?

1997
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 18: Is that not? Yeah, of course it's going to be. Yeah,

1998
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 18: of course, why Whitney.

1999
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,879
Speaker 8: Get his twenty third and twenty fourth in four of those.

2000
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 18: Twenty four will be against Joe Burrow And in a

2001
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 18: year where Joe misses nine games, and of course Miles

2002
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 18: Garrett still step to Joe Miles Garrett twice. It's just

2003
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 18: obviously that's how it would play out. And uh, that's fine,

2004
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 18: just trad for Miles Garrett this offseason and everything will

2005
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 18: be forgiven.

2006
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:36,000
Speaker 5: What do you think what was going through your head

2007
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 5: when you see Cody Ford line up at wide receiver

2008
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 5: and then catch the ball and then rumble for twenty yards.

2009
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 5: What was going through your head as someone who covers

2010
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,560
Speaker 5: this team on a daily basis.

2011
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 18: Unbelievable, Like unbelievable. The first thing was like, what is

2012
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:59,680
Speaker 18: she doing? The second thing was, oh my, Joe's.

2013
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 6: Throwing it to him.

2014
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 8: It was a nice catch.

2015
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,799
Speaker 18: Oh my gosh. You know, it's the same thing everybody

2016
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 18: went through, and that roller coaster of emotions. And at

2017
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 18: one point during that run, I really thought he was

2018
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 18: going to score. Obviously he got close. I h and

2019
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 18: then I thought about the disrespect, and I gotta be

2020
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 18: honest with you, if a team did that to me,

2021
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:25,840
Speaker 18: we might have to fight. We might have to fight.

2022
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 18: And I know we just gave up that twenty one

2023
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 18: yard like if they had thrown him. So when they

2024
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 18: got to the goal line after Chase Brown, the touchdown

2025
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 18: was ruled stort of the goal line and they ran

2026
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 18: the pass play for Noah Fant. If that had been

2027
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:43,720
Speaker 18: Cody Ford, it would have been it would have been

2028
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 18: on right like, So we were reaching levels.

2029
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 8: Of disrespect that I you just can't what happened.

2030
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 18: And now a day we removed of it. I'm like, well,

2031
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 18: if Cody can do it, If Cody can do it,

2032
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 18: who else can do it? And Tony Pike throw me

2033
01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:00,679
Speaker 18: the ball? My man, That's all I'm saying. Get one.

2034
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 6: Uh, Tony wanted me to ask you and I it's

2035
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 6: kind of been did you.

2036
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 18: Did you understand that I'm saying that I would love

2037
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 18: the opportunity to get an NFL past one and they

2038
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 18: wouldn't guard me the same way they didn't guard Tony Ford.

2039
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 8: And I can run three yard stop turn, and.

2040
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:19,880
Speaker 6: I get what you're saying. You seem to do this

2041
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 6: a lot.

2042
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 5: You seem to kind of, you know, put yourself in

2043
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 5: these hypothetical situations, and you often seem to take shots

2044
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 5: at either myself or at the big fella, Tony Pike.

2045
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 5: And and we have a lot of respect for you,

2046
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 5: Like we we like you a lot, like we consider

2047
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 5: you to be a friend, and we kind of just

2048
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 5: have just between the two of us, been wondering like

2049
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 5: what is going on that has led to us taken

2050
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 5: up so much real estate inside your dome?

2051
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:50,559
Speaker 18: Us?

2052
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 8: Well, it's just born, It's just Tony. What do you

2053
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:53,720
Speaker 8: mean us?

2054
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 18: What's us?

2055
01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 8: When do I say hey, Austin.

2056
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 18: I'll trust you at this. The only time I do

2057
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 18: that is if you bring up to me. First off,

2058
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:06,680
Speaker 18: there don't don't don't you do that?

2059
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 7: Right?

2060
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 8: Fair?

2061
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 6: Fair fair.

2062
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 18: Secondly, I just know how Tony carries himself and someone

2063
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 18: needs to humble him a little bit because it's been

2064
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 18: a while since he got rocked by Carlos Dunlap and

2065
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 18: it's been a while since the Bengal said thanks but

2066
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 18: no thanks.

2067
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:25,799
Speaker 8: And so that's.

2068
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 18: Probably why we work together as close as Tony and

2069
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 18: I do, so I can be the one that does that.

2070
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 6: Okay, all right?

2071
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 5: It just sometimes it reflects poorly on you, as if

2072
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 5: you're you're always thinking about it.

2073
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 18: I love Tony, I think about him at.

2074
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 6: What do you think about?

2075
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 8: Thing?

2076
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:49,639
Speaker 4: What are you working on, James that you can tell

2077
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 4: people about and point people towards as your coverage continues.

2078
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 18: Some suggestions for the Tony Pike Monday mid Day Midday

2079
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:00,679
Speaker 18: Monday Quarterback Name Show.

2080
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 25: No, I.

2081
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 18: I actually have something I'm working on for later this

2082
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 18: week on Cincinnati Bengals Talk and it'll probably go up

2083
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 18: on Bengals Talk dot com. But and I know this

2084
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 18: isn't going to happen. But what I would do if

2085
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 18: I were the Bengals, if I were Mike Brown, what

2086
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 18: I would do, and that includes Zach Taylor, Duke Tobin,

2087
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 18: free agency strategy, basically everything that they should do and

2088
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 18: check and make sure is correct and in place so

2089
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:34,720
Speaker 18: they can make a real run at this thing next year,

2090
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 18: because I think I speak for everybody when whatever the

2091
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 18: hell is going on can't continue to go on, not

2092
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 18: with Joe Burrow in the building, and they're too good man.

2093
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:49,799
Speaker 8: He he's the best. He doesn't miss d'leil shake.

2094
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 18: Here with the game on the line against the Eagles

2095
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 18: like Josh Allen did. And I know Josh Allen is, but.

2096
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 6: Come on, so yeah, there you go. All right.

2097
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 4: I'm just assuming that's connected to the pole questions you've

2098
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 4: posted on your Twitter as well about Duke Tobin and

2099
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:03,679
Speaker 4: Zach Taylor.

2100
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 18: I have a video about Zach then just went up

2101
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 18: on Cincinnati Bengals Talk.

2102
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 6: All right, and that is connected to the Pole question since.

2103
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:17,920
Speaker 18: Just because he's back, we need to ask the question

2104
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 18: should he be back? And I think I do a

2105
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 18: good job of laying it out if he should or

2106
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 18: not knowing that I'm going to be covering your next.

2107
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 5: Year great stuff, James. I'll see you on Sunday. Man,

2108
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 5: have a good one. Thanks for making time.

2109
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 18: I'll see up your next segment. I'll tee up your

2110
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,719
Speaker 18: next segment. Should Zack be back? Thanks Audie.

2111
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 5: That's James Rapine from Sports Illustrated and so many other

2112
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 5: outlets including YouTube and the Lockdown Bengals podcast. A lot

2113
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,720
Speaker 5: going on with old James, and that is a fascinating

2114
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:50,679
Speaker 5: When it's all said and done, for James, I truly

2115
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,719
Speaker 5: hope he donates his brain descience because we need answers

2116
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:55,599
Speaker 5: to what's going on upstairs.

2117
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 6: Take a break, we'll come back.

2118
01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 4: This is Tony Bike's Monday midday quarterback home with the

2119
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 4: ESPN fifteen thirty.

2120
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 1: No scripts, no filters, just pure sports talk moegar.

2121
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 2: Today at three pm on ESPN fifteen.

2122
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 5: Thirty, Jen Athletes will face the.

2123
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 4: Tony Pike's Monday midday quarterback rolling right along here on

2124
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Speaker 4: ESPN fifteen thirty.

2125
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 5: My name is Austin Elmore. I can't stop watching the

2126
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 5: Cody Ford play. And I know that that as Bengals fans,

2127
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 5: we had, you know, a lot of other things we'd

2128
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 5: rather see and care about than Cody Ford rumbling for

2129
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 5: twenty one yards and it would have been great if

2130
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 5: this game meant anything, kind of like you know, at

2131
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 5: some point last year, the Sam Hubbard reception meant something

2132
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 5: in a team that was still alive in the playoff hunt,

2133
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 5: and this ultimately doesn't mean that much. But it's a

2134
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 5: cool moment, and I can appreciate a cool moment and

2135
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 5: being at the stadium. Yes, I wasn't sure what kind

2136
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:07,879
Speaker 5: of crowd to expect because they're eliminated. It's the weekend

2137
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 5: after Christmas, what really is it going to look like?

2138
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 5: And what you saw were I think a lot more families,

2139
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 5: a lot more kids. And when there's a lot more

2140
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 5: young people like that or or people who maybe don't

2141
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 5: always get a chance to go to games in the crowd,

2142
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,640
Speaker 5: it can be kind of lively. And the way that

2143
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 5: the Bengals performed there was a lot to cheer about.

2144
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 5: And I appreciated in that moment that the Bengals just

2145
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:35,600
Speaker 5: kicked somebody's ass, like that's what they were supposed to do,

2146
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 5: and they did it, and I was like excited about that,

2147
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,719
Speaker 5: but I did as I was talking to Tony earlier,

2148
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 5: I kind of got the feeling during the game that's

2149
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 5: like this is a preseason game, Like these dudes that

2150
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:51,639
Speaker 5: are playing for Arizona don't really belong on the same field,

2151
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:56,120
Speaker 5: especially on the Cardinal defense with the Bengals offense. And

2152
01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 5: Burrow was unbelievable yesterday and James Mitch and this stat

2153
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've seen this or not, but

2154
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 5: Burrow on thirty one pass attempts, was not pressured at

2155
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 5: all on nineteen of them. So nineteen of his thirty

2156
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 5: one pass attempts he wasn't pressured once. He completed all

2157
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 5: nineteen of those attempts for two hundred and three yards

2158
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 5: and three touchdowns or two touchdowns. Over the last seven seasons,

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Speaker 5: no quarterback has finished with more completions from clean pockets

2160
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 5: without an incompletion in any game. So Joe Burrow did

2161
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:43,720
Speaker 5: something that has never been done before. And yes, the

2162
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:46,840
Speaker 5: guys on the other team really probably don't belong in

2163
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:49,720
Speaker 5: the National Football League and are not guys that you

2164
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 5: feel like are really providing that much of I don't

2165
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,840
Speaker 5: know the word, I'm looking for that much of a

2166
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 5: challenge I get to the Bengals, But still, would you

2167
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 5: feel better about the fact that the Bengals went out

2168
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:08,599
Speaker 5: there and kind of drugged the Cardinals into the mud

2169
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,160
Speaker 5: and just found a way to win. Or would you

2170
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 5: feel better about the fact that they went out there

2171
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:16,280
Speaker 5: and beat them thirty seven to fourteen and that one

2172
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 5: touchdown that Arizona had at the end of the game

2173
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 5: was a garbage time touchdown. I think I would feel

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01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 5: better about them destroying Arizona the way.

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01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:24,599
Speaker 6: That they did.

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01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 5: And that doesn't remove the fact that the Bengals are

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01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 5: playing out the string in a season that is filled

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01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 5: with disappointment, and I'm not trying to ignore that fact

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01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:40,560
Speaker 5: at all. But what I'm trying to figure out is

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01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 5: what do we actually learn from games like yesterday, from

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01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 5: games like the Miami Dolphins. Miami, at least was a

2182
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:51,560
Speaker 5: much better team than the Arizona Cardinals are, and the

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01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 5: Bengals killed them too, especially with turnovers. Arizona it was

2184
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 5: like a preseason game, like truly like a preseason game,

2185
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:04,600
Speaker 5: and the Bengals dominated them. And I think there is

2186
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:07,760
Speaker 5: something to take from it, and most notably, it's that

2187
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 5: they aren't playing down to the level of their opponents.

2188
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:13,799
Speaker 5: They are still maintaining a standard and that standard matters

2189
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:17,559
Speaker 5: to them, and they performed like it. That's one thing.

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01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 5: I think the other thing too, is that you are

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01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 5: seeing guys perform better than they had at any point

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01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 5: in other times this season, and I understand what that means.

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01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:31,559
Speaker 5: It's like, Okay, well, of course the opponents aren't good,

2194
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,760
Speaker 5: so of course they're going to play better. Like the

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01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:37,799
Speaker 5: perfect example is what we talked about earlier is TJ Slayton.

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Speaker 5: TJ Slayton I was high on him coming into this year.

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Speaker 5: I felt like he would be a valuable piece. He

2198
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:45,640
Speaker 5: would help them stop the run, and he would be

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01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 5: an important piece of this defense. And for the most part,

2200
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:51,720
Speaker 5: all season long, TJ. Slayton has failed to show up.

2201
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:54,919
Speaker 5: He's not really been an impact player in this defense.

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01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 5: Then all of a sudden over the last two weeks,

2203
01:50:57,280 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 5: he shows up and you're thinking, Wow, this guy is

2204
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 5: pretty good, and then you remember who they're playing against.

2205
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 5: But you contrast that, compare that to what Miles Murphy

2206
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 5: has done for a pretty decent chunk of this season,

2207
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,679
Speaker 5: especially in the absence of Trey Hendrickson, and you say, oh, okay,

2208
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:18,680
Speaker 5: this is a prolonged period of sustained success and development

2209
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Speaker 5: by a guy like Miles Murphy. It's not just against

2210
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 5: two bad teams that they face over the last couple

2211
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 5: of weeks, you say the same thing about DJ Turner.

2212
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 5: For the majority of this season, DJ Turner has been

2213
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 5: lights out Pro Bowl caliber cornerback, and he deserves credit

2214
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,679
Speaker 5: for an extended period of time in which he's played

2215
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 5: that way.

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01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 6: So guys like that, Guys like Dax Hill.

2217
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:44,880
Speaker 5: Now, Dak's maybe not as long of a period of

2218
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 5: time as DJ Turner has had, but a guy who's

2219
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:51,240
Speaker 5: played multiple roles, he's played inside, he's played outside. The

2220
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:53,960
Speaker 5: Bengals see his future as an outside cornerback, and I

2221
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 5: do too. There is a prolonged period of success. Again

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01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:03,240
Speaker 5: good players, and against yesterday, and you talk about how

2223
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:05,680
Speaker 5: bad the opponent is. You're going up against an all

2224
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,679
Speaker 5: pro tight end and Trey McBride, Dax Hill and DJ

2225
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 5: Ivy did a fantastic job against him. He still had

2226
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 5: ten catches, but they have no one else to throw

2227
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:15,840
Speaker 5: the ball to. And I look at that and I say, Okay,

2228
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 5: there's something there, like this dude is performing well against

2229
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 5: a elite player in this league. And we have seen

2230
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:29,680
Speaker 5: those glimpses, and so for me, those are signs of

2231
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 5: development and signs of guys that you feel comfortable with

2232
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 5: moving forward now. I don't think that you could use

2233
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 5: the term build around with players like that. I think

2234
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 5: that's going a little bit too far. But I do

2235
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:47,400
Speaker 5: think you can use the term comfortable with And as

2236
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:49,320
Speaker 5: we said earlier, there are gonna be guys that play

2237
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 5: roles like Cedric Johnson, like dj Ivy. But if Shamar Stewart,

2238
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:57,720
Speaker 5: who by all you know indications, has turned around what

2239
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:00,560
Speaker 5: was a crappy start to this season with all the

2240
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 5: off field stuff and all the nonsense, has turned it

2241
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 5: around to being a focused player who's trying to get

2242
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:09,000
Speaker 5: better and trying to get healthy. These reps are very

2243
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 5: important for him, no matter who they are against. And

2244
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,960
Speaker 5: you look at him and Jordan Battle. I know James

2245
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 5: said he maybe doesn't put Jordan Battle in that category.

2246
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 6: I would.

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01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 5: I would still think that he can be a valuable

2248
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:25,240
Speaker 5: piece of this defense. Is he the most important player?

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01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 5: Is he someone you feel like is going to go

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01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 5: be an All Pro next year?

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01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 7: No?

2252
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 6: Probably not, But.

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01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 5: But there is at least some places on this defense

2254
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:40,599
Speaker 5: that more than just two games, those players have showed

2255
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:43,720
Speaker 5: up and proven to you, Okay, there's still room for

2256
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 5: them to grow. They have grown and they can be

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01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 5: a part of this defense and you feel comfortable with them,

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01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 5: whether it be as a role or as a starter

2259
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 5: moving forward. And when you couple that with the amount

2260
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:57,560
Speaker 5: of money that they have, and with the amount of

2261
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,680
Speaker 5: needs that they have, and with the draft picks that

2262
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 5: they have, and you look around and you say, okay, yeah,

2263
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:06,560
Speaker 5: this makes sense. This can be a defense that is

2264
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:11,920
Speaker 5: flipped around in one offseason. Again, you don't want to

2265
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 5: put too much into the final few games, but I'll

2266
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:16,679
Speaker 5: tell you Cleveland's not a pushover.

2267
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:17,720
Speaker 9: We know that.

2268
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 5: And defensively especially, they're not a pushover. Now offensively, who

2269
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 5: knows what it's gonna look like. Harold Fannin's a little

2270
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 5: bit banged up, Shard Or Sanders is still a rookie,

2271
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 5: but they still have viable players on that offense that

2272
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 5: can pose a challenge.

2273
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 6: And as I said earlier to Tony, like to me, the.

2274
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 5: The determining factor has almost been when you play these

2275
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 5: bad teams, has almost been Okay, who's going above and beyond,

2276
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 5: who's doing what they're supposed to be, who's playing a

2277
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:53,040
Speaker 5: dominant brand of football, and who's not. And those guys

2278
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:55,840
Speaker 5: I just mentioned, I feel like do meet the requirement.

2279
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 5: Guys that don't are guys like Demetrius Knight and Barred Carter,

2280
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 5: and I think one of the most fascinating conversations we're

2281
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 5: going to have over the course of this offseason is

2282
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 5: going to be what are you going to do about

2283
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:19,440
Speaker 5: that position? They need a difference maker at linebacker. And

2284
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 5: I don't feel like other than a minimal and I

2285
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 5: mean minimal improvement in tackling, I don't feel like either

2286
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 5: one of those two players has taken the next step.

2287
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 5: I don't feel like they have improved. I don't feel

2288
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:37,080
Speaker 5: like they have developed. I don't feel like, other than tackling,

2289
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,920
Speaker 5: those two guys have gotten their reads down, gotten their

2290
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 5: keys down, gotten their footwork down, controlled their body like.

2291
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 5: It doesn't feel like you can comfortably go into next

2292
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 5: year with either of those guys in mind as you're

2293
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 5: starting linebackers.

2294
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 6: Which makes this season, all.

2295
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 5: In all, defensive a complete and total failure, because this

2296
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:06,760
Speaker 5: whole season was kind of built around the idea of

2297
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 5: these guys being the developmental pieces to set you up

2298
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 5: for next year. For guys like Trey Hendrickson leaving and

2299
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:20,320
Speaker 5: Shamar Stewart taking the torch and Miles Murphy taking the

2300
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:24,720
Speaker 5: torch and going from there. Well, now you might feel

2301
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:27,200
Speaker 5: better about the defensive line, but you might have to

2302
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 5: reinvest in that linebacker group again again because of how

2303
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 5: bad those two guys have been and who's there's no

2304
01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 5: reason to believe that they can't benefit from a full

2305
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,880
Speaker 5: off season, and after having been a rookie in learning

2306
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 5: all the stuff and seeing all the stuff, I think

2307
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:50,600
Speaker 5: it's fair to assume that they will get better. But

2308
01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:57,280
Speaker 5: the incremental stages of development that we have seen from

2309
01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 5: them wouldn't suggest that it's going to be any time soon.

2310
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 5: And so with that, another offseason question mark has been placed.

2311
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 5: There have been some answers I outline them in the

2312
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:12,440
Speaker 5: first part of this segment, but there are also more questions.

2313
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 5: There's questions about the offensive line depth. There's questions about

2314
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 5: the third wide receiver. There's questions about linebacker. There's questions

2315
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:24,320
Speaker 5: about detackle, there's questions about edge rusher. There's questions all

2316
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 5: over the place. And I don't know that you're going

2317
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:31,560
Speaker 5: to get all the answers you're looking for over these

2318
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:35,480
Speaker 5: final three games, but you are going to at least

2319
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:39,600
Speaker 5: understand fully. I think who has taken the next step

2320
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:43,200
Speaker 5: who's beaten players they're supposed to beat, and beaten teams

2321
01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 5: they're supposed to beat, and actually proven to you that

2322
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 5: they are a part of this team moving forward. Because

2323
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:51,880
Speaker 5: if you're going to place value on these games, and

2324
01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 5: the Bengals do, and there is a long history of

2325
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:57,440
Speaker 5: the Bengals placing value on these games, well, then you

2326
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 5: should also place value on the idea that players who

2327
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 5: don't perform in them in these games are not a

2328
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:07,839
Speaker 5: part of your future. Geno Stone is a perfect example.

2329
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:10,920
Speaker 5: And I don't know if what Al Golden said today

2330
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 5: is just Al Golden being a politician, but I would

2331
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 5: have laughed in Al Golden's face if he said that

2332
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:17,760
Speaker 5: in front of me today.

2333
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,000
Speaker 6: I can't imagine.

2334
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 5: And I don't know their system, I don't know their calls,

2335
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:26,320
Speaker 5: I don't know their relationship. He might really like Genostone,

2336
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 5: that's cool. He's not a good player. He has repeatedly

2337
01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:33,800
Speaker 5: hurt this defense.

2338
01:58:34,280 --> 01:58:39,040
Speaker 4: And so part of the way the reason Genostone is

2339
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 4: here right now is because of how well he played

2340
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:45,280
Speaker 4: at the end of last year. I would say I

2341
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 4: would argue he has played equally as bad down the

2342
01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:51,600
Speaker 4: stretch this year, as good as he was last year.

2343
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 4: He's been just as awful for the majority of this

2344
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 4: year and especially over the last couple of weeks. The

2345
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 4: effort yesterday in trying to tackle Michael Wilson is embarrassing

2346
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 4: to the game of football. It should be embarrassing to

2347
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 4: Jordan Kovacs and Chucks Burke's, the guys that are coaching

2348
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,680
Speaker 4: the secondary. It should be embarrassing to Zach Taylor and

2349
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 4: Al Golden. It should be embarrassing to Duke Tobin. It

2350
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 4: should be embarrassing to Mike Brown. That is not the

2351
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:23,120
Speaker 4: level of play. That is not the standard that is

2352
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:30,800
Speaker 4: required or should be required of a Bengals player. So

2353
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:32,960
Speaker 4: if you're going to put value on what guys do

2354
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 4: well over the final three or four games, you should

2355
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:39,280
Speaker 4: also put value on what guys don't do well, like

2356
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:44,080
Speaker 4: the linebackers, like Geno Stone, maybe like Cody Ford at

2357
01:59:44,200 --> 01:59:47,920
Speaker 4: right tackle. When there's an injury and you figure out, okay,

2358
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:51,280
Speaker 4: what exactly is the plan going to be that has

2359
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:56,280
Speaker 4: in some way shape or form clarified the vision for

2360
01:59:56,480 --> 02:00:00,880
Speaker 4: the offseason. If you're gonna put value on there has

2361
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 4: to be value in both directions, good and bad. If

2362
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 4: you're the Bengals front office phone lines are open five one, three, seven,

2363
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Speaker 4: four nine, fifteen thirty. You're listening to Tony Pike's Monday

2364
02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:16,840
Speaker 4: Midday Quarterback on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:26,160
Speaker 4: Experience Tony Pikes Monday Midday Quarterback here on ESPN fifteen

2366
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:28,600
Speaker 4: thirty on Austin Elmore. We'll talk to Tony and Mo

2367
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:31,560
Speaker 4: in just a few minutes from now. They are at

2368
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Speaker 4: Twin Peaks in Westchester for the Tony and Mo Football Show.

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Speaker 4: A couple of highlights from earlier today, the Bengals coordinators

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Speaker 4: and head coach Zach Taylor were a meeting with the media.

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Speaker 4: Al Golden, as we mentioned with James earlier, was effusive

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Speaker 4: in his praise for Geno Stone, which is is hard

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Speaker 4: to fathom, but it is.

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Speaker 5: It's true. Al Golden said those things have a hard

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Speaker 5: time understanding it anyways. He was also asked about some

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Speaker 5: of the growing pains and development. He said it's been

2377
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Speaker 5: a hard year, but he did cite the particular growth

2378
02:01:07,640 --> 02:01:12,160
Speaker 5: and development of defensive ends Cedric Johnson and cornerback dj Ivy.

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Speaker 5: We talked earlier about those guys being role players in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty six. He was also asked about Shamar Stewart

2381
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Speaker 5: getting his first career sack, Golden said, I'm glad that's

2382
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Speaker 5: out of the way so we can all move on

2383
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Speaker 5: with our lives. Golden was joking when he said that.

2384
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Speaker 5: Also talked earlier about Amarius Mims and how wonderful he

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Speaker 5: has been this season and the importance of having him

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Speaker 5: on the field. He saw the difference in the Bengals

2387
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Speaker 5: offense when Amarius Mims was not on the field. Dan Pitcher,

2388
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Speaker 5: the Bengals offensive coordinator, was asked about that. He said,

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Speaker 5: Amarus Mims can be the best in the world at

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Speaker 5: what he does.

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Speaker 9: He really could.

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Speaker 5: For as much crap as we give the Bengals about

2393
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Speaker 5: their drafting, and a lot of people have made a

2394
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Speaker 5: big deal about the fact that they're going to be

2395
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Speaker 5: drafting tenth or eleventh instead of eighth or nine and

2396
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Speaker 5: drafted the Marius Mims at what seventeen eighteen. Looks like

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Speaker 5: they may have uncovered a gym with that pick. Let's

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Speaker 5: hope they can do that again in April in the

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Speaker 5: NFL Draft when we come back. We've got a couple

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Speaker 5: of hitting gyms ourselves, Moe Eggar and Tony Pike will

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Speaker 5: join us for the Tony and Mo Football Show. Will

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02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:21,960
Speaker 5: join us for Quick Hits next ahead of the Tony

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Speaker 5: and Mo Football Show. He Meant to Say Here on

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Speaker 5: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 21: Wreck Up.

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Speaker 2: Now it's time for a quick Hits on Tony Pikes since.

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Speaker 4: Yes, indeed it is, and we go to Twin Peaks

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Speaker 4: in Westchester to find Tony and Mo ahead of the

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Speaker 4: Tony and Mo Football Show. Fellas, how are we doing today?

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Speaker 26: We are good, We are good. We're here at the

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Speaker 26: Twin Peaks in Westchester. It's the second to last Tony

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Speaker 26: and Mo Football show of the season. The the Bengals won,

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02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:53,680
Speaker 26: Joe Burrow's offensive lineman got fossils.

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Speaker 9: We have a lot going on.

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02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:56,400
Speaker 6: Does it feel like a victory Monday?

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02:02:58,040 --> 02:02:58,520
Speaker 9: Not really?

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Speaker 26: Oh no, it feels like a very bittersweet Monday. And

2418
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:05,360
Speaker 26: one of the things we're going to talk about today

2419
02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:10,560
Speaker 26: is the same thing that makes this season so frustrating

2420
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 26: provides at least a glimmer of hope for next year.

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02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:18,320
Speaker 26: It's what's so weird about this team, right because you

2422
02:03:18,440 --> 02:03:21,240
Speaker 26: watch them offensively, you watch what they can do, and

2423
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:26,480
Speaker 26: you know they were really good yesterday. It didn't feel

2424
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:28,920
Speaker 26: in real time like they were awesome, but they were

2425
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,760
Speaker 26: they were good. Ye, And you're like, I can't believe

2426
02:03:31,800 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 26: they've wasted this. I can't believe this team with this

2427
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:37,440
Speaker 26: offensive potential is going to be on the outside looking

2428
02:03:37,480 --> 02:03:39,840
Speaker 26: into the postseason at the same time as you talk

2429
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:42,360
Speaker 26: about next year. You can't help but go, you know what,

2430
02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:45,920
Speaker 26: there's something to build around here. There's a foundation. There is,

2431
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:47,480
Speaker 26: and I know a lot of folks don't want to

2432
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:50,400
Speaker 26: admit that, but it's what makes the same thing that

2433
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:54,240
Speaker 26: makes this season so frustrating, provides such hope I believe

2434
02:03:54,720 --> 02:03:58,000
Speaker 26: for the future if you can suspend your distrust of

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02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:00,920
Speaker 26: the person in charge of getting the franchise to where

2436
02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:01,440
Speaker 26: it needs to be.

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Speaker 4: A lot of that hope for the future rest on

2438
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:09,000
Speaker 4: number nine shoulders. Yeah, and with as good as yesterday was,

2439
02:04:09,640 --> 02:04:12,320
Speaker 4: there were three instances in which you had to hold

2440
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:14,320
Speaker 4: your breath on sacks taken.

2441
02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:14,800
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2442
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:17,800
Speaker 4: And I know we'll play Zax audio later in the

2443
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:21,480
Speaker 4: show today, but we've already found out that Joe is

2444
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:24,280
Speaker 4: going to play this week. That that's just one of

2445
02:04:24,320 --> 02:04:27,280
Speaker 4: those things. Like I've seen Joe come back, I've seen

2446
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:32,320
Speaker 4: them have really two good weeks. I know the future

2447
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:36,720
Speaker 4: shoulders of number nine, And I don't want to like

2448
02:04:39,080 --> 02:04:42,040
Speaker 4: or as fun as that was a couple instances where

2449
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:45,760
Speaker 4: you're like and then you move, you know, even Joe

2450
02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:49,480
Speaker 4: wincing a little bit after a couple of those sacks yesterday, Yeah,

2451
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:55,120
Speaker 4: it was another win in front of your whole What else.

2452
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:58,200
Speaker 26: There is I put on social media at halftime yesterday

2453
02:04:58,360 --> 02:05:00,960
Speaker 26: that basically I put him on the bench then, and

2454
02:05:01,160 --> 02:05:03,000
Speaker 26: you know, the game was still somewhat in doubt. I

2455
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,600
Speaker 26: think the Arizona Cardinals licked that stamp, put it on

2456
02:05:05,640 --> 02:05:07,839
Speaker 26: the envelope well before the game kicked off yesterday.

2457
02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:10,520
Speaker 9: I wouldn't play him this week.

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02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:14,840
Speaker 26: I mean, look, I enjoy watching Joe Burrow play, and

2459
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:17,880
Speaker 26: I understand and appreciate and respect.

2460
02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:18,800
Speaker 9: His desire to play.

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02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:23,160
Speaker 26: I've watched these last three games, or last two games,

2462
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:25,600
Speaker 26: and we'll watch the third one through my fingers.

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02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:27,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just.

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Speaker 26: Just put yourself in a mental place where you imagine

2465
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:35,240
Speaker 26: what it would feel like if a week from today

2466
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:37,680
Speaker 26: we're talking about the Bengals ending the season and there's

2467
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:41,040
Speaker 26: another injury question, Yeah, hovering over quarterback.

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02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:43,200
Speaker 9: So I would play him?

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02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:45,760
Speaker 5: I would, I agree with you, and I've been the

2470
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:48,320
Speaker 5: guy who's been pushing for Joe to play this entire time.

2471
02:05:48,360 --> 02:05:51,880
Speaker 5: But there's really no point for this final game. But

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02:05:51,960 --> 02:05:54,120
Speaker 5: I want to read for you something that Al Golden

2473
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 5: said earlier today. This is about Geno Stone. The success

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02:05:59,560 --> 02:06:02,200
Speaker 5: that we've had in the final eight games, a lot

2475
02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:04,920
Speaker 5: of it can be attributed to Geno. I think he's

2476
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:06,920
Speaker 5: been a really good leader for us. I think his

2477
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:11,760
Speaker 5: communication is exceptional. I'm always looking at the positive and

2478
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:13,880
Speaker 5: I see a path forward for him to get better,

2479
02:06:14,160 --> 02:06:17,280
Speaker 5: continue to improve, and we're going to keep coaching him.

2480
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Speaker 6: Your reaction.

2481
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:22,440
Speaker 26: I see better than I hear talk to me in March,

2482
02:06:22,920 --> 02:06:26,400
Speaker 26: and I mean legitimately, like Al Golden is saying the

2483
02:06:26,520 --> 02:06:29,240
Speaker 26: right things by his player, which I expect an NFL

2484
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:34,200
Speaker 26: coach to do. I respect that I talk to me

2485
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:37,840
Speaker 26: in March. Look, if the Bengals re up with Genostone,

2486
02:06:38,040 --> 02:06:40,840
Speaker 26: then they really believe in him. If they move on

2487
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:44,520
Speaker 26: as we expect, then whatever Al Golden says is going

2488
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:45,560
Speaker 26: to ring very, very hollow.

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02:06:45,600 --> 02:06:47,960
Speaker 4: If he said just Geno, maybe he's talk about Geno Atkins.

2490
02:06:51,320 --> 02:06:54,400
Speaker 4: Let's just be honest. If we're going at training camp

2491
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:57,520
Speaker 4: next year and we're trying to sell ourselves on Genostone again.

2492
02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:00,760
Speaker 6: Then this clearly went in the offseason.

2493
02:07:00,920 --> 02:07:03,120
Speaker 9: What is the the in vogue word is unserious.

2494
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:07,680
Speaker 26: If Geno Stone is on the Bengals next year, apply

2495
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:12,120
Speaker 26: unserious to them, and so to me. Geno Stone plays

2496
02:07:12,160 --> 02:07:14,880
Speaker 26: for Al Golden. Right now, Al Golden's going to say

2497
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:18,160
Speaker 26: the right things by his players. I do not expect him. Look,

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Speaker 26: I think also Al knows that Gino is a punching bag,

2499
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Speaker 26: and I think Genostone is in the conversation is the

2500
02:07:25,160 --> 02:07:27,360
Speaker 26: worst free agent signing in the history of the franchise.

2501
02:07:27,400 --> 02:07:29,560
Speaker 26: That's something we're going to talk about today. But I

2502
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 26: would expect a player. I would expect a coach who

2503
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:35,560
Speaker 26: understands that he's got a player who has fallen into

2504
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:37,120
Speaker 26: his favor with a lot of people, who's a bit

2505
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:40,720
Speaker 26: of a punching bag, publicly rushing to his aid and

2506
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:42,240
Speaker 26: saying good things about him.

2507
02:07:42,920 --> 02:07:44,240
Speaker 9: Talk to me in April.

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02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:46,600
Speaker 26: If if the first waive or to a free agency

2509
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:49,400
Speaker 26: has passed and Geno Stone has signed a contract with

2510
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:52,400
Speaker 26: this team and there's no other safety, well then well

2511
02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 26: then that that matters a lot more to me than

2512
02:07:55,120 --> 02:07:57,960
Speaker 26: what Al Golden says. And if what Al Golden says

2513
02:07:58,680 --> 02:08:01,440
Speaker 26: is followed by the Bengals very quickly moving on from

2514
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:03,320
Speaker 26: Geno Stone. Then at the end of the day, who's

2515
02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:04,520
Speaker 26: going to care what Al Golden had to say?

2516
02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:07,800
Speaker 4: What's the conversation if the Bengals went out win the

2517
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Speaker 4: last three, lose draft positioning, don't address safety in the offseason,

2518
02:08:12,160 --> 02:08:14,400
Speaker 4: and then like Caleb Downs has picked the pick right

2519
02:08:14,440 --> 02:08:15,200
Speaker 4: before the Bengals.

2520
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Speaker 9: If he goes right before them, yeah, and you missed.

2521
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:22,200
Speaker 4: Out on him because you won out the strand of

2522
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:24,400
Speaker 4: football games, you lose.

2523
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:27,840
Speaker 6: Draft like the problem, the problem that they didn't do

2524
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Speaker 6: anything else.

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Speaker 26: The bigger issue for me would be if Caleb Downs

2526
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:34,760
Speaker 26: were there, which I don't think he would be, and

2527
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:36,200
Speaker 26: they say no because we have.

2528
02:08:36,360 --> 02:08:40,640
Speaker 9: Jordan Battle and Geno Stone. Who that would be mutiny.

2529
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:42,760
Speaker 4: I mean that that would be because Austin and I

2530
02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:45,280
Speaker 4: talked today, like I feel like Jordan Battle is progressing,

2531
02:08:46,240 --> 02:08:49,440
Speaker 4: and I think Jordan Battle would would benefit from a

2532
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:50,880
Speaker 4: better player playing next to him.

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Speaker 26: Why can't he be Sean Williams Remember the Bengals Sewan Williams. Yeah,

2534
02:08:54,440 --> 02:08:56,320
Speaker 26: and he was never the starter. He was the backup.

2535
02:08:56,400 --> 02:08:59,360
Speaker 26: He was the third safety at times like you need depth.

2536
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:03,160
Speaker 26: They havn't trusted Dejon Anthony and Tyson Anderson and those guys.

2537
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Speaker 26: So okay, you could use something like if Jordan battles

2538
02:09:05,560 --> 02:09:08,240
Speaker 26: on the team next year, cool, but the safety play

2539
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:10,800
Speaker 26: has to be better. I refuse to believe that it

2540
02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 26: gets better with Geno Stone on the team next year.

2541
02:09:13,600 --> 02:09:16,880
Speaker 26: The Caleb Downs thing. Look, I get where you're coming from.

2542
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:19,800
Speaker 26: They played their best players their best play. They could

2543
02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:22,000
Speaker 26: have not played their best players and probably still would

2544
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,880
Speaker 26: have beaten the Dolphins.

2545
02:09:23,480 --> 02:09:27,600
Speaker 9: And Arizona Cardinals. So the tank talk is overrated.

2546
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:30,760
Speaker 26: As the Las Vegas Raiders their players told you after

2547
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:32,840
Speaker 26: the game, we got tired of hearing about how we

2548
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:35,760
Speaker 26: should lose. So yeah, man, I get it. If he

2549
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:38,600
Speaker 26: goes one pick before the Bengals are on the clock.

2550
02:09:39,960 --> 02:09:43,120
Speaker 5: It because of who's playing next to Jordan battle very

2551
02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:45,440
Speaker 5: quickly before I let you go mode. Tony and I

2552
02:09:45,600 --> 02:09:47,640
Speaker 5: talked before the game, and he seems to be very

2553
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:51,360
Speaker 5: concerned about Lipscomb tonight, what's your level of concern.

2554
02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:58,200
Speaker 26: There are three gentlemen sitting across from us. Take those

2555
02:09:58,240 --> 02:10:02,120
Speaker 26: three gentlemen at Tony and I and if that Quinn

2556
02:10:02,160 --> 02:10:03,800
Speaker 26: Ted played the Bearcats, I would.

2557
02:10:03,640 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 9: Be concerned about that. Queen Tech. Yeah, tell you about right.

2558
02:10:06,920 --> 02:10:09,440
Speaker 26: I'm less interested in who the opponent is and more

2559
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:11,960
Speaker 26: interested in how they play. I don't know that they're

2560
02:10:11,960 --> 02:10:15,080
Speaker 26: gonna do anything tonight that's gonna make anybody feel any.

2561
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:18,320
Speaker 9: Better on the final what's over under on Big twelve

2562
02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:20,040
Speaker 9: wins four and a half.

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Speaker 6: That's what I was gonna say. One final tune up

2564
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:22,960
Speaker 6: before Houston.

2565
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Speaker 9: Would anybody be surprised if they lost to Lipscomb?

2566
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:25,640
Speaker 22: No?

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Speaker 9: No, I think Lipscomb. My understanding is better.

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Speaker 4: Lipscomb had duke forty eight to forty five at the

2569
02:10:31,560 --> 02:10:32,160
Speaker 4: half last week.

2570
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Speaker 26: In Cincinnati's last game, they trailed by twenty seven points

2571
02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:37,080
Speaker 26: in the first half to a good but not grey

2572
02:10:37,160 --> 02:10:40,120
Speaker 26: Clemson team. Yep, this team's issues have nothing to do

2573
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:41,960
Speaker 26: with its opponent. It has everything to do with the

2574
02:10:42,240 --> 02:10:46,600
Speaker 26: piece is fit, the offense not working, roles not being

2575
02:10:46,680 --> 02:10:50,160
Speaker 26: carved out, there being no real identity. Those things are

2576
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:52,360
Speaker 26: true and will be true no matter who they play tonight.

2577
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Speaker 4: The Tony and Mo Football Show coming up next. Thanks Boys,

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Speaker 4: Thanks Audi, Thanks Man.

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Speaker 5: That is Tony Pike and Moeggar Twin Peaks in Westchester

2580
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:05,440
Speaker 5: this afternoon for the Tony and Moe Football show. We're

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Speaker 5: back at it again tomorrow with another normal show, the

2582
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Speaker 5: Tony Pikes since the three sixties show at noon, but

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Speaker 5: Tony and Mo are next. This has been Tony Pike's

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