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Speaker 1: You don't want to be an American idiots.

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Speaker 2: I'm me here on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 3: Well, she can't speak for herself, so her brother is

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati's exiled police chief has been sitting at home for

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Speaker 3: what five almost six months, cashing the paycheck, and the

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Speaker 3: city that has employed her for some thirty five years

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Speaker 3: calls it a leadership failure. The city dropped the bombshell

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Speaker 3: of reports which we knew was coming on Chief Fiji

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Speaker 3: six months, thirty two witnesses and a verdict that could

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Speaker 3: end her career. Other than that, what else is going on?

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Speaker 3: His name is Russ Neville. She he is Terry's brother

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Speaker 3: and sits on the show this morning to start us

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Speaker 3: off on seven hundred WW Russ, welcome in. Thank you

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Speaker 3: very very much, appreciate it to have.

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Speaker 2: You're tired of talking about this yet, Well.

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Speaker 1: I'm tired of the circumstances surrounding it, but I will

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Speaker 1: never get tired of talking on behalf of Terry and

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Speaker 1: defending her her reputation.

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Speaker 3: She's been on leave since October, so five months now.

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Speaker 3: Day to days for her is like what it's an

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Speaker 3: Evan flow. I've said it all along. You know, she

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Speaker 3: had good moments, bad moments.

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Speaker 1: She got a lot of family, a lot of family,

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Speaker 1: we support, a lot of friends, support, a lot of

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Speaker 1: members support. Yeah, but it's you know, it comes and goes.

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Speaker 1: It's gut punches like this, and then you have to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty five years in the force, never anything bad

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Speaker 3: to say about her until now. Lifelong West sider. She

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Speaker 3: has to be really hard. I could see if it's

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Speaker 3: an outsider coming in, but you grew up your and

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Speaker 3: now your reputation is being tartished.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but there are benefits to being a local and

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Speaker 1: having the family and the friends that you've developed over

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Speaker 1: the years and the membership affiliation as opposed to being

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Speaker 1: an outsider. Could you imagine being someplace where you're hire

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Speaker 2: That'd be hard. I'd be very really hard.

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Speaker 3: Relative of the report that just came out from Frost

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Speaker 3: Brown Top Givens that they said that they believe the

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Speaker 3: culture was the she said the best I've ever seen it,

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Speaker 3: And then they came out and said it's one of

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Speaker 2: Did she see this coming at all? Does this blindsider totally?

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Speaker 1: Every bit of it has blindsided her. Every bit of

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Speaker 1: it as blindsided her. And all we can do is

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Speaker 1: go through the process, way through the process, defender where

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Speaker 1: we have an opportunity and let litigation run its course.

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Speaker 3: Never had an employment review in seven years as chief,

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Speaker 3: thirty five years. Her jackets pretty clean, there's nothing in there.

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Speaker 3: She thinks she's doing an exemplar job because no one's

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Speaker 3: ever said, hey, you're not doing the right thing. Five

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Speaker 3: days before an election, she's out of a job. Essentially,

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Speaker 3: is this political?

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent of citizens day one? And we feel

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Speaker 1: since day one that it's driven by the mayor, it's

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Speaker 1: in collaboration with the manager. And there were ways to

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Speaker 1: handle this and manage this without embarrassing and degrading and

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Speaker 1: damaging the integrity and reputation or the reputation on integrity

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Speaker 1: or integrity will never be damaged, a reputation of somebody

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Speaker 1: who's given her life to this career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and at the same time, you know, the citizens

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Speaker 2: How does that sit with her?

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Speaker 1: It's it's surprising and not surprising. It's the reality of elections,

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Speaker 1: it's the reality of politics. But it should have no

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Speaker 1: play or no impact on law enforcement the management of

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Speaker 1: you have a dedication and a commitment, and she fulfilled

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Speaker 1: every one of those.

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Speaker 3: Russ Neville, and she's, like I said, she's been doing

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Speaker 3: this a long time. Steve m her attorney, called her

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Speaker 3: a scapegoat and also indicated that this may be gender base.

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Speaker 3: She's a first female chief. Do you think jender plays

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Speaker 1: I hope not, but I think the evidence is leaning

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Speaker 1: obviously part of mister RIM's role, and mister Rim will

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Speaker 1: make that determination proceed forward.

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Speaker 2: One appropriate they had thirty two witnesses.

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Speaker 3: It said, Look, there's a culture of fear of retaliation

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Speaker 3: and retribution in there. Do you believe that your sister

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Speaker 1: One percent? Not. The reality of it is I was

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Speaker 1: She doesn't have a retaliatory bone in her body. She

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Speaker 1: she knows circumstances. She has no family situations, and she

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Speaker 1: approaches them, addresses them, discusses them, cares one hundred percent cares.

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Speaker 1: That is an out like, outright lie or a misperception

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Speaker 3: I had FOP president Ken Kober on the show yesterday

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Speaker 3: and I asked him that same question. He said, well,

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Speaker 3: if that's true, you have to fire every chief ever,

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Speaker 3: because every department has some level of it. It's so

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Speaker 3: bad it's not functioning. He said, But that's not Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: But you know there's that level of animosity in every

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Speaker 1: It's not limited to law enforcem right, it's it's the

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Speaker 1: reality of the workplace. The workplace and Terry. Anything that

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Speaker 1: have some positive impact on it, she would do it,

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Speaker 1: and she did it with care. Scott. That's I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about past years of management. The reality

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Speaker 1: is under Terry's leadership, and supervision. While you will have

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Speaker 1: to scent, you will have disagreements.

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Speaker 4: She is.

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Speaker 1: A person that places accountability on her shelf and others

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Speaker 1: and places high expectations on performance and consistency. She cared,

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Speaker 3: One of the accusations came of the report. Adam russ Neville,

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Speaker 3: and talking about this report that came out from Frost

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Speaker 3: Brown Todd about nine pages. The other thing that struck

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Speaker 3: and I did in full, I'm sure you did as well.

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Speaker 3: Is like, okay, six months of investigation, we've now extended

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Speaker 3: their contract three times, and finally report comes out and

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Speaker 3: it's nine pages, Like, well, I've seen reports that are

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Speaker 3: another thousand. I thought for sure. You know, the report

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Speaker 3: and this is nine pages, like not. And then what

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Speaker 1: Not only is it limited to nine pages, it's repetitive information,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the other element here is okay, so

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Speaker 3: they're counselors, right. A counselor is a lawyer and a

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Speaker 3: Will give you advice, will counsel you, but we can't

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Speaker 3: force you to, you know, admit guilt, innocence, give the

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Speaker 3: money to fight the case or not fight the case.

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Speaker 3: It's up to the individual that are presenting in this case.

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Speaker 3: They're hard by the city with tax payer money. One

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Speaker 3: of the things I learned yesterday talking to to Cober

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Speaker 3: is that they weren't allowed to record under these depositions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's mind, the same way they weren't depositions. That's

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Speaker 1: my understanding. There is no recording, there is no documentation

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Speaker 1: of it, which I find extremely ironic, Scott, because I

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Speaker 1: spent quite a bit of time at the internal Investigation

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Speaker 1: internal every investigation, every interview is recorded. You lay out

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Speaker 1: your investigation. You show what supports an allegation, what refutes

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Speaker 1: of it is laid out, is structured, very thoroughly, sequentially,

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Speaker 1: not only that, you support it with fact, based on documentation,

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Speaker 1: of investigation. This is so slanted, so narrow, and so

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Speaker 1: non non complete, it's pathetic. Additionally, there's an issue of nepotism.

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Speaker 1: How does that strike the family another it's a perception

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Speaker 1: of whomever made that statement. It's not realistic, it's not true.

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Speaker 1: I'm very, very familiar with the nephew who earned his position.

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Speaker 1: He has a finance degree, he got into the police department,

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Speaker 1: he went to law school, he did law school part time,

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Speaker 1: He has worked another administrative and patrol positions he's earning.

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Speaker 1: He's earned of the position, and people have their perception.

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Speaker 3: Hire the best person for the job. But again I

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Speaker 3: think he gets back. You look at the administration, so

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Speaker 3: they alleged nepotism. They also alleged that Terry Fiji kind

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Speaker 2: It's like heard's the final word, the.

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Speaker 3: Disagreements, chain of command, top down mentality, and yet the

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Speaker 3: There's a top down mentality if you look at and

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Speaker 3: I think there's truth to it. The Alchrvisky case where okay,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, never Adam Henny is the guy

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Speaker 3: said there's no crime here. He did it, and now

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Speaker 3: he's the inter re chief because he's obeying the marching orders.

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Speaker 3: And that was not a political arrest, but it certainly

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Speaker 3: looks like it was a political arrest because they threw

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Speaker 3: the case out. And then the other one about nepotism

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Speaker 3: is Iris Rawley, who is a community activist works for

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Speaker 3: the Mayor's department, makes over one hundred thousand dollars a

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Speaker 3: year and her sad is working alongside her. So why

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Speaker 3: would they point the dirty in the sticke of Terry

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Speaker 3: Thiji when they themselves from Aftab and sure along on

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Speaker 3: down are doing the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Themselves because it's beneficial to their mythical narrative of an

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Speaker 1: ineffective leadership and their pursuing termination. The reality of it

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Speaker 1: is that Scott, I do want to say yes, couldn't

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Speaker 1: care less that the administration's city Hall the eggs the

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Speaker 1: way they do it's wrong.

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Speaker 2: Deal with it.

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Speaker 1: Voters decide that, however, I will tell you that is

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Speaker 1: not how Terry manages, and the facts of that will

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Speaker 1: come out when litigation depositions are provided. And we look

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Speaker 1: forward to the depositions, not in a fund way, but

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Speaker 1: forward to achieving the goal in hand of the depositions

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Speaker 1: of each of every one of those that weren't interviewed,

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Speaker 1: and those that makes such allegations provide some facts, because

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Speaker 1: we got facts that refute it, and that will be

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Speaker 1: the reality.

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Speaker 3: She flies out to Denver, is out there, wheels go down,

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Speaker 3: her phone blows up, get your asspect to Cincinnati, and

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Speaker 3: then she's suspended, slash fired.

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Speaker 2: What were that seventy two hours like for her.

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Speaker 1: In the family, miserable, miserable, shocking, unexpected, miserable, depressing, embarrassing,

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Speaker 1: and she has fought through it, continues to fight through it,

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Speaker 1: and she's as strong as strong gets Scott. But she's

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Speaker 2: Is she have for that fight.

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Speaker 1: You can't do any more than surprisingly put you on

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Speaker 2: Like if you're the city, do you back that up?

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Speaker 3: Is there an animosity towards Adam Henny? I mean also

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Speaker 2: What are you hearing?

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Speaker 1: Nothing regarding any timelines of anything. And the anticipation is

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Speaker 2: I know Steve, he's a really good attorney. He's very

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Speaker 1: He's a he's a super good guy. He's a carrying guy.

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Speaker 2: Torch her sister going, she got shafted in this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: And because it us about you know, violent crime and

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Speaker 1: Not only one was it not? Is it not? Numbers

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Speaker 3: And that was in the winter cold winner. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Months coming'ern and we pray for We truly do pray

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Speaker 3: I identify with Trump on that. But the problem is

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Speaker 3: you go, well, you know, regime changes in our goal.

435
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Speaker 3: But then he said all the regimes leaders are dead,

436
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Speaker 3: So who are you negotiating with? And are you negotiating

437
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 3: And there's no clear finish line here, which is typical

438
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 3: regardless of the president, that we have no exit strategy.

439
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 3: The discussions are ongoing with the regime we just decimated.

440
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 3: And also I will say that when we say we're

441
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Speaker 3: going to bomb them back the Stone Age, but we're

442
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Speaker 3: gonna negotiate. It's I can see why the markets are

443
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 3: knowing what they're doing today, because it left me confused,

444
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Speaker 3: quite honestly. But all in all, we know that Iran

445
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 3: has been the number one state sponsor of terrorism for decades.

446
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 3: You know, you go back to in my lifetime eighty

447
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Speaker 3: three in the Beirut Marine Barracks bombing to two one

448
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 3: hundred and forty one Americans killed, And that's when we're

449
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: put out noticed Iran to bad people. If that wasn't

450
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Speaker 3: the case. It certainly was seventy nine, right four years

451
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Speaker 3: prior with the takeover the American embassy and then the hostages.

452
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 3: When Iran beat in every previous administration, by the way,

453
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Speaker 3: tried diplomacy, it's never really stopped them, and so we

454
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Speaker 3: just keep kicking the can. Obama's nuclear deal gave Iran

455
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Speaker 3: sanctioned and they gave him relief, and it gave him

456
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Speaker 3: a glide path to a bomb, and Trump ended that

457
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Speaker 3: in his first term when they started rebuilding a secret

458
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Speaker 3: site after what was it Operation I think it was

459
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 3: like Midnight Midnight Hammer or something like that. Hammer time

460
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 3: they confirmed the negotiate agreements. We're never going to hold.

461
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Speaker 3: It's kind of like the peace deal with Israel and

462
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Speaker 3: pick someone else, which we'll get to about ten oh six.

463
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 3: Because it's anti Semitism driving this whole thing. Got a

464
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Speaker 3: guess on that coming up on the show, because that's

465
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 3: really the root of this whole thing. But you know,

466
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 3: they never want anything to lie lasting piece as a joke.

467
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 3: They keep peace just long enough so they can continue

468
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Speaker 3: their nuclear program. That's a problem. And if you don't

469
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Speaker 3: belive me, look at the region. Look at how many

470
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 3: people are look at how many countries are aligned with

471
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Speaker 3: the United States on this, like I'm on and other

472
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Speaker 3: or not the countries in the region there that are

473
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 3: on our side saying, you know what, this is making

474
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Speaker 3: it difficult for us to print money, and that's what

475
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Speaker 3: they want to do.

476
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Speaker 2: Those they want to print money.

477
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Speaker 3: Iran is the one screw this thing up, and a

478
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Speaker 3: nuclear under Ran isn't a regional problem, it's a global one,

479
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Speaker 3: and the biggest problem right now. The biggest worry for

480
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 3: Israel would be Iran. For sure, they get nukes, it's

481
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Speaker 3: over and regime the chance death to America for forty

482
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Speaker 3: seven years. Okay, what do you think that's just it's marketing.

483
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Speaker 3: I kind of believe that. And it's the regime. It's

484
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: not the people, because the people are oppressed and they

485
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: want freedom and we are really really bad at nation building.

486
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Speaker 3: I understand this whole thing. Military in thirty days, by

487
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 3: the way, we blew up, their navy's done. The air

488
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 3: force is dismantled, They've got a command structure collapsing, and

489
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: their missile productions crippled. Okay, so the hard part's kind

490
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Speaker 3: of done.

491
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Speaker 2: There.

492
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Speaker 3: The hopefully temporary problem here is gasoline at four bucks

493
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Speaker 3: a gallon. That hurts all of us in a time

494
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: where we are paying more for seemingly everything and the

495
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: cost of living is extreme right now. And is that

496
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 3: Trump's doing in this case? It is, But I will

497
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 3: say that you know, Tehran is extorting world markets by

498
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: charging tankers for safe packeting pack They're not exactly when

499
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: you do this, like okay, we'll let's come through, but

500
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Speaker 3: we're going to charge a toll. Not exactly the kind

501
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 3: of people you want having nukes. Now, I've been hearing

502
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Speaker 3: about nukes ever since what the ninety in Iran's got

503
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: news Irans, and we saw what happened in rack under Bush.

504
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Speaker 2: I understand, I appreciate, But.

505
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Speaker 3: To me, it's like, Okay, you go in, you blow

506
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff up, you set them back, you

507
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: cut off the head of the gime. They'll get another

508
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: totalitarian in there, his son, and they'll run things with

509
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: an iron fist, and then in ten years we do

510
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: it all, we wipe. You just kind of kind of

511
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: keep waiting, and so it's kind of like punishing a dog.

512
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Speaker 2: I guess.

513
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: Eventually, you know, you correct the dog's behavior and the

514
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: dog will learn it's taken. It's gonna take sixty seventy

515
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: hundred year should that happen. It's pretty dumb. Round's a

516
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: pretty dumb dog. But I think that seems the best

517
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: thing is do we want boots on the ground. Nobody

518
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: wants boots on the ground. Oh, we've added what ten

519
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 3: thousand more troops there? We were at add forty. I

520
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: had the other thing too, so as fifty thousand troops, Yeah,

521
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: we had forty thousand there already. We've got bases there.

522
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Speaker 3: No one wants to see we lost thirteen. We don't

523
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Speaker 3: want to see another thirteen. We don't want to see

524
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Speaker 3: another one. We don't want to see more troops injured.

525
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: I get that, but that's what we have a military for.

526
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Speaker 3: And the allies that benefit most, which would be Saudi Arabia,

527
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: the UE, the Gull States, Israel, they're fully on board

528
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 3: with this. And you know, I've not liked the UN

529
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 3: and NATO for me for a long time has been like, okay,

530
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: well are they turning into the UN in a sense

531
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: that you know, if you want the straight open, you

532
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: can help throw some money and some effort in protecting it.

533
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 3: You want your cheap oil, but you don't want to

534
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: pay the freight, and I understand that. I think from

535
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Speaker 3: an American point of view. In America first point of view,

536
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 3: that makes a lot of sense to me. That way

537
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 3: are the world's police officers first and foremost. But yeah,

538
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 3: these other nations are doing okay because of that, maybe

539
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: you can kick in a little bit. It's like having

540
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: that friend you go for a road trip or you're

541
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: driving somewhere and they never kick in for gas, get

542
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: some scratch of the petrol man, let's go, time to

543
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: pay up. And now Trump's been begging them to come

544
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: protect the straight if this thing works out.

545
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Speaker 2: At some point.

546
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: Now he turns around and says, well, now you weren't

547
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: willing to help us, We got your oil back, so

548
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 3: now we're going to come at you. And he kind

549
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: of alluded to that with America being the world's foremost

550
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: producer petroleum and now that we've got Venezuela on board,

551
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: things are looking pretty good. It's a short term pain.

552
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: I just wish you were a little more clear about

553
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 3: what it is we're doing, what the endgame was, because

554
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: there are a lot of contradictions he said yesterday, which

555
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: is I think that's affecting market. So if he could

556
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: stay focused on the argument, I think he makes a

557
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: really good case. Or what we're doing here. I don't

558
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: want to see a ground invasion. I don't think we're

559
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 3: good at regime change and state building. We're horrible at

560
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: that stuff. But you go, when you blow some stuff up,

561
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 3: you'll let them sort it out and they'll start rebuilding

562
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: right away, and then ten years from now they get

563
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: close to that sixty percent mark of refinement, you do

564
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: it again and you'll hope you know again, Does that

565
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: mean more extremism or terrorism. Yeah, but they've always done that.

566
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 3: So in this case, rather than just letting it go,

567
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: I kind of get what we're doing here now. In

568
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: the short term, gas prices suck. That is also that's

569
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 3: part of the problem, and it's certainly helping Democrats at

570
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: this point. But yeah, the idea we just ignore them

571
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: or give them candy and they'll behave it hasn't happened.

572
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: It's never happened.

573
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Speaker 3: And I guess it's part of my generation too, having

574
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: grown up post Cold War, that I get that they

575
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: are the biggest threat in that entire region. Now, can

576
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 3: you get them back to where they were pre seventy

577
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: nine into democracy, and that'd be wonderful. But you know

578
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: what'll happen. There'll be another Middle Eastern state that'll pop

579
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: back up and try to take that sortaly laid down.

580
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: Someone else will pick it up. That's just the nature

581
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: of things. This is gonna be going on with our

582
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 3: great great great grandchildren's lifetimes. It always adds and going

583
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: on to that kind of strife there's going on for

584
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: thousands of years. It's just new because we have nuclear

585
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: weapons in modern times. News coming up in about twelve

586
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: here on seven hundred ww I mentioned anti semitism Robert

587
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: Spencer and that coming up in minutes, which is really

588
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 3: the root of this whole thing. This is a feels

589
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: versus common sense and you know, I, mister common sense,

590
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: feels versus common sense kind of issue for me and

591
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: the victimhood. And I believe you know, here's the thing.

592
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: Treat everybody fine, treat everybody good. You do whatever the

593
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: hell you want. I don't care what you do as

594
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: long as you don't step on my toes. To me,

595
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: that's kind of how I love my life. We don't

596
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 3: have a problem till you know, you start getting into

597
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: MySpace and I think we have that here. So this

598
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: one on Nashville, she flies on Southwest. She said Southwest

599
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: refused to let her board a flight to lax without

600
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: purchasing an additional seat under new policy requiring customers who

601
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: quote unquote encroach upon neighboring seats to buy extra seating.

602
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: That says what that means encroaching on the other seats.

603
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: It means you're a big person. I just doesn't mean

604
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: you're fat. I'm sure there's plenty of NFL players at

605
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: fatnet category as well, but generally think a thick folk.

606
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: And she was asked that, she said, well, can I

607
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 3: test if I sit in the feet? Look, you're not

608
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: going to fit in this. You can fit in the seat,

609
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 3: but are you going to spill over into someone else's airspace?

610
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: And the whole thing happened with the credit because it's

611
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: a long confledged story. But anyway, she flew on Delta.

612
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: She had to pay for three point fifty there, and

613
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: I don't know how Delta accommodat or whatever the problem is.

614
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: That's right, it's one of those stories that comes out.

615
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: It's gonna be about body shaming that you can't treat

616
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: her this way. You have to treat her like everyone else. Look,

617
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: I treat you everyone else, but you want special accommodation.

618
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: So we know that airline seats are tiny. Okay, I

619
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: get in there. I've got wide shoulders. I used to

620
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: have a wider ass, but it's less wide these days.

621
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do what I can do. I fit

622
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: in there. I'm fine. Sometimes we shoulder bump. I can't

623
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: do anything about that. But I'm in my seat. It's

624
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: not like I'm spilling over into someone else's. It's talking

625
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: like I'm you know, Dwayn Johnson or something. But I've

626
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: had sat next to people before, and it's like, here's

627
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: the thing. If if you are big and you can't

628
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: keep your body in over the the arm rests, you know,

629
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: you have the arm rest of war going on.

630
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: I get that.

631
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: But you know, if you're coming over to my territory

632
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: and then you got my two seats, this isn't about

633
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: body shaming, it's not about any of that. So it's

634
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: common sense. It's like you're paying, you're getting more than

635
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: you paid for. I paid for my seat and you're

636
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: taking you know, a third or quarter my seat. We

637
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: got a problem because I paid for this space right here,

638
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: and you are on my space. It's about the space.

639
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: You can be big, you just can't be in my area.

640
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: That's how that is. Every story like this focus on

641
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: the person asked to buy a second seat. Nobody talks

642
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: to the I don't know, five foot ten guy who

643
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: spent a four or flight with his shoulder crush, his

644
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: armor is gone and half his paid seat occupied by

645
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: someone else. They bought a full seat, they showed up,

646
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 3: They did nothing wrong. Isn't any different than a family

647
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: that goes well, we bought the cheapest fare and we

648
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Speaker 3: expect to all be seated together. So you have to

649
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Speaker 3: give up my seat so my toddler can sit next

650
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: to me. Sorry, no, you didn't pay the I pay

651
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: the extra to get the seat. You don't get the

652
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: seat because you show up and you pay this. It's

653
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: a mixed up world. This is why airline travel sucks.

654
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: Of course, the airlines don't do anything about this. I

655
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: let people fight in the back, and then when they

656
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: act out towards a flight attendant, then that's when it

657
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: becomes a national story. So they're complicit in this whole

658
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: thing too, And the part of the story that gets

659
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: buried is I believe I have to have Jay Ratliffe

660
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: about this. But Southwest policy includes a full refund for

661
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: the second seat if the flight is in full. I

662
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: don't think anyone else is doing that, And they all

663
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: have similar sized policies and none of them offer a

664
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: refund cushion.

665
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Speaker 4: There.

666
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: I thought of.

667
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: The other thing too, is maybe here's what you do

668
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: is let the free markets work. Because you I'm a

669
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: free market kind of guy. Is here's the thing, all right,

670
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: if you're bigger, you don't want to buy the extra seat,

671
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: you seat them next to someone who's thinner because they

672
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: don't use all their seat. You get some I don't know,

673
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: some bony, skeletor looking chick. You put her in there

674
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: next to the big and then everyone works out so

675
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: you're only using ay if you're using two thirds of

676
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: your seat, I got a third of the seat to give. However,

677
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 3: here's the deal. You pay less money. So now we're

678
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: down to this whole thing. How much space do you

679
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: take up? Maybe we ought to start weighing passengers. Maybe

680
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't know, you go down to Houston,

681
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: Texas and they're having some sort of cattle drive. You

682
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: get on the scale. Here you go, you're at show weight.

683
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: Get on the plane. Here's your seat, you sit next

684
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: to the thin Maybe we need to do something. I

685
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: don't know how you do? You know what though I

686
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: was gonna say, how do you do that? But with

687
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: AI and facial recognition, all the technology that haven't they

688
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: could be much easier than ever before.

689
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: You let AI sort it out.

690
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: Here's where you sit the nextion, But then how do

691
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: you sort out sitting next to your someone you're traveling with.

692
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know. Maybe I'm making it a

693
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: bigger deal than it. This seems like, you know, it's

694
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: like it's like Jenga human Jenga in Southwest announced a

695
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: new policy saying, okay, we know that they're no longer

696
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: it's you know, the free for all where people run

697
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: on the plane. And it's kind of like, I haven't

698
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 3: flown Southwest in a long time, and I used to

699
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: before I've had this good experience, but the whole nowadays,

700
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: you know, running to your seat because there's no assigned seating.

701
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: It's it's like hours before the WBN fireworks, you know,

702
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: but people are putting their tarpaut with duct tape. On it,

703
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: saying this is their seat on the Serpentine wall. It

704
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: might work down on Labor Day weekend, but it doesn't

705
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: really work when you're taking a flight to the Denver

706
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: or something. The woman finally suit said, the policy is

707
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: based on perception of no guidelines, but that's not accurate either.

708
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: And you know, seat belts, armorss, trade tables, they're not

709
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: comfort feature, they're essentially safety equipment. Flight attendants are stewardess

710
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: is until they become flight attendants really where their job

711
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: is to keep you alive in the event and the

712
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: rare event of an emergency. And that's what they're there for.

713
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: And we've talked about this with service animals, and the

714
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: line that there's going to be an incident that's going

715
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: to cost lives because of these stupid feel good policies

716
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: is what it is. And I think you know, once again,

717
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: like anything, the gate agent handling was poor. They canceled

718
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: the original ticket before securing the second seat payment and

719
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: they all these things.

720
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Speaker 2: It all happens at gate. It's like, that's why I

721
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: get in trouble.

722
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Speaker 3: I don't have room for my carry on because someone's

723
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: got a cello that they somehow got through and put

724
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: in the overhead bent and took fifty spaces up. Go Well,

725
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: why don't you just do your job? Better job policing.

726
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: But they don't want it. Nobody wants to have this conversation,

727
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: which is exactly why the airlines have been avoiding it

728
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: for well over twenty years, and why the passengers the

729
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: middle seat has been silent. I will speak for the

730
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: miserable middle seat passenger, having done that before. What about

731
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: the middle seat passenger? Don't they deserve every right to

732
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: comfort as everyone else? What about their feels? We'll do

733
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: news Outslan show on the Home of the Red seven

734
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: hundred WW Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to be an American?

736
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Speaker 3: Got flowed here on seven hundred WLW. President speaking last

737
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: night on the Big One and talked about what's happening

738
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Speaker 3: in Iran. We saw the markets react negatively today because

739
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: he said another two to three weeks, so we're negotiating,

740
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: but we may flatten them. And so again a lot

741
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: of mixed messages coming out of that speech last night. However,

742
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: one constant remains true, and that is the problem that

743
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: is Iran. But it's part of a much bigger problem,

744
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: and that is anti Semitism. We were called back on

745
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: October seven, twenty twenty three, when a mass attacked Israel.

746
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: Here in the US, even we have college campus is

747
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: rife with anti Semitism and Iran and Israel going at

748
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: it there war now this one with the United States,

749
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: and the goal is to stop them from having and

750
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Speaker 3: acquiring nuclear weapons. That's a decent goal, but it's been

751
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: impossible to do so far. Robert Spencer is here to

752
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: put it in perspective, and this is all has to

753
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: do with anti Semitism, which he studies at the Horowitz

754
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: Freedom Center.

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Speaker 2: Robert, welcome, good morning, How are you say?

756
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Speaker 4: Good get to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I look at this whole thing, and it

758
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: seems to me that we are never ever ever going

759
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Speaker 3: to have peace in the Middle East in our lifetime

760
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: and most likely in our children's lifetime.

761
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

762
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, But you're unfortunately you were correct. This problem is

763
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 6: and nobody wants to acknowledge this in Washington really or

764
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 6: anywhere else. But the problem is that the Islamic religion

765
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 6: dictates than any land that was ruled by Muslims at

766
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 6: any time belongs to them forever, and so they will

767
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 6: never accept ever the state of Israel.

768
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 4: There will always.

769
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Speaker 6: Be fighting against it as long as there are people

770
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Speaker 6: who believe in Islam. And so this is one element

771
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Speaker 6: of the conflict that none of the foreign policy experts

772
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 6: in Washington have ever faced. And yet really it's the key,

773
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Speaker 6: the defining aspect of the whole thing.

774
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Speaker 3: Well, there's a nuance there, like a lot of religions, right,

775
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: and that is the hardliners, the hard line Islamist, the Hamas, yeah, Hesbalah.

776
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Speaker 1: Right.

777
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: There are plenty of Muslims who can get along with Jews.

778
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: We've seen that before, and unfortunately it's just those in power,

779
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: those that seek power and essentially take areas over, these

780
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: are the ones enforcing those values.

781
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I look literally exactly.

782
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, both science have to want peace in

783
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: order for that to occur, and both sides have to give.

784
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 6: Things to give the impression that this is something that

785
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 6: every Muslim in the world thinks. But the problem is

786
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 6: that because these guys are basing their hatred of Israel

787
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 6: on Islamic principle, it's never going to go away. There

788
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 6: will always see some of the Muslims who think, oh, yeah.

789
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 4: Well, this is our religious duty to fight Israel.

790
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: If you go back in history, which you're in a

791
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: story and you know full on good is that. I

792
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: think there could have been peace all along. But Palestinians

793
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: continually reject every piece off opportunity for statehood ever made.

794
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: It started in forty seven, it happened in sixty seven

795
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: after the Sixth Day War, it happened with Clinton and Arafat.

796
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 3: In two thousand and two thousand and eight, the Israeli

797
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: Prime minister's name escapes me now met with Mamoudabas there. Yeah, yeah,

798
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: the President of Palestine and said, here, percent of the

799
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 3: West Bank will swap some land, you guys take that over.

800
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 3: He acknowledged the offering, he said, well it's too and

801
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: didn't even show up to the next meeting, didn't even

802
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: to schedule it. So if you've done that over the

803
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: course of what eight decades, I just don't think they

804
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: want peace exactly.

805
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 6: And they don't want peace because it goes against this

806
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 6: religious imperative, and so they feel like they if mock

807
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 6: foot a Bus were to say today that he wants peace,

808
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 6: he'd be overthrown by the hardliners. And so this is

809
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 6: a dilemma that anybody who does want peace on the

810
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 6: Palestinian side has to say.

811
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Speaker 2: The ceasefire, the peace.

812
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: This time around, it just feels fleeting, like you know,

813
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 3: someone probably Iran is going to launch an attack. It

814
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: is probably after they fully developed and say okay, we

815
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: have nuclear weapons right now, pull off for the pull

816
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: out of the treaty. You're going to know that they

817
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: mean business and they're not going to stop until they do,

818
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: which is the horrific part of this whole thing. We

819
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: had the Six Day War, the twelve Day War, we

820
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 3: had the quick ceasefire. It's just a never ending story

821
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: and it's just moving towards something that's going to change

822
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 3: the world forever.

823
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: Just it can't be done. So this could be.

824
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: The shortest interview ever. I mean, I honestly, it's always

825
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: an issue. Anti Semitism is rising. It's ugly head again

826
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: here in America and elsewhere, and there are waves of this.

827
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 3: But for the life of me, this is a problem

828
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: should have been solved long ago. But you have unwilling

829
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: participants that simply don't want that. And yet I look

830
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: at what's happening on college campuses where they're literally calling

831
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: for death to Jews and Zionists, and I have a

832
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: hard time digesting that.

833
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 6: I'll be honest with you, Well, it's coming from the

834
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 6: left to tremendous degree that is set against Israel because

835
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 6: they're socialist internationalists. They don't like the idea of a

836
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 6: state that's based on a particular aspect of people when

837
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 6: they want to erase all the differences between people and

838
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 6: make it all equal. And then you have the Islamic

839
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 6: anti semitism that comes out of the Qur'an. And here again,

840
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 6: you know, we can say, sure, there are many millions

841
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 6: of Muslims who don't subscribe this. Unfortunately, those that do

842
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 6: are out on the college campuses screening these things that

843
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 6: you mentioned, and working with the left to menace Jewish

844
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 6: students and pro Israel students. This is something that the

845
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 6: Trump administration is cracking down upon, and quite rightly.

846
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: I guess common sense knows no age group for sure,

847
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: or level of education as we've seen at college campuses

848
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 2: or elsewhere for that matter.

849
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: I look at this situation just leaves me scratching my heads.

850
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure what the college campus protesters want.

851
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: They just want Israel to simply go away. They you know,

852
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: every time Israel backs off, you have a Maha. I mean,

853
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: explain the October attacks of twenty twenty three, where you're

854
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: literally raping women, You're taking young people and holding them

855
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 3: hostage for days and weeks and months.

856
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: I just to what ends.

857
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you want to stop the peril in Gaza

858
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: and living conditions are terrible, but every time it seems

859
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: like Israel gives them an inch. Hamas exploits that. You know,

860
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: the idea that we can't fish more than ten miles

861
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: off our shore, that's because they opened it up before

862
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 3: and i'm as started bringing running guns and everything else

863
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: into that country, so I had to shut it down.

864
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 3: It's completely the actions of this terrorist group. And yet

865
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: that's never reflected back to them. Somehow, this is Israel

866
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: being petulant and want to exterminate Palestinians, which I don't

867
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 3: understand that.

868
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 6: Well, you know, the chance on the campuses has been

869
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 6: from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.

870
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 6: That means from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.

871
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 6: Every inch of Israel is between those two places and

872
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 6: those two bodies of water. And so what they're saying

873
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 6: is they want to destroy Israel completely. And then you've

874
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 6: got the question, okay, They're nine million people in Israel,

875
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 6: seven million Jews and two million Arabs. What happens to them?

876
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 6: And apparently what the people who are at least running

877
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 6: these protests want is for those people to be killed.

878
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 6: It was even a Palestinian leader who said, We're not

879
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 6: even going to let them keep their graves. We're going

880
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 6: to make the Jews dig up their graves and take

881
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 6: them out of this country. Not a single Jew is

882
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 6: going to live in the Palestinian state.

883
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: And we also have, you know, the refugee issues in

884
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: their security concerns, political decisions, divisions I'm sure even within

885
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: even with the Palestinian group. But if you truly want peace,

886
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: you can't be an extremist here. You can't create a

887
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: future where neither side lives in fear of the It's

888
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: just that that's got to happen. You got to realize

889
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 2: at some point that you know, Jews in Israel, that

890
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: that nation's not going to go away, nor the Palestine Palestinians,

891
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: and at some point you think that, hey, we've got

892
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: to recognize each other. But that hasn't happened in one

893
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: hundred years, so I have no hope of that happening.

894
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 6: Immediately No, And well I explained why it's never going

895
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 6: to happen because it goes against what a lot of

896
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 6: these people see as their religious imperatives. And so it's

897
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 6: very hard to surmount that you don't go to a

898
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 6: negotiating table and give away your religion.

899
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's not negotiable.

900
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Speaker 3: Robert Spencer on the Scotslane Show is with the Horowitz

901
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 3: Freedom Center and last night and Trump spoke about Iran

902
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: and what the mission is sort of kind of in

903
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: a Trump way. Nonetheless, we're bombing the hell out of

904
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: them until they acquiesced. But this is all the root

905
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: of this whole thing is anti Semitism, and how do

906
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: you make that go away? It solves a lot of

907
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: problems in the lease, but in our lifetime I don't

908
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: see it happening because anti Semitism feel like they're getting worse.

909
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Speaker 6: Robert, Oh, there's no doubt about it, Scott whatsoever. Especially

910
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 6: in Europe, we see people being Jewish, people are just

911
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 6: being randomly attacked on the street. Actually we've seen that

912
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 6: in the United States as well. In New York and

913
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 6: Pennsylvania and Philly. They were targeting a deli that was

914
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 6: owned by a Jewish guy just because he was Jewish,

915
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 6: has nothing to do with the state of Israel, nothing

916
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 6: to do with Gaza.

917
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 3: The core of this problem, Robert is it's a radical

918
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Speaker 3: theocracy over there. That's really the issue. They control everything,

919
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: the thought, the speech.

920
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: All of it.

921
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

922
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 6: Well, they are notoriously opposed to the freedom of speech

923
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 6: and dialogue. And so this is something that comes out

924
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 6: of the international left, which is intolerant of dissent, and

925
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 6: we see it on these college campuses. There's no discussion,

926
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 6: there's no debate. Usually the opposition, the pro Israel side,

927
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 6: doesn't even get a chance to have a hearing. And

928
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 6: this is something that is really contrary to the very

929
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 6: idea of what a university is supposed to be about.

930
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 6: But that doesn't stop them.

931
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Speaker 4: Of course.

932
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Speaker 3: We're talking about the history of anti Semitism. What the

933
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 3: roots of this is? An historian? Where did it begin?

934
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Speaker 6: It comes out of four different sources Christianity, Islam, national

935
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 6: socialism which is Nazism, and international socialism which is communism.

936
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Speaker 6: And communism is really what's driving it mostly today the

937
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 6: impulse to collectivize everything, to make everybody the same, which

938
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 6: cuts against the idea of the Jewish state. Christianity is

939
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 6: the only one of those four where anti Semitism has

940
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 6: been officially repudiated at the top by the leaders of

941
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Speaker 6: the church. It still exists in Islam with no rejection

942
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 6: from anyone. Still exists among the resurgent Nazis. We see

943
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 6: nowadays that's alleged historian Darryl Cooper out getting widely watched

944
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 6: platforms essentially recreate repeating talking points from the Nazis. And

945
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 6: it's astonishing what's going on these days. But it seems

946
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 6: as if it's always been an undercurrent under the surface

947
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Speaker 6: and is now using the alleged sins of the state

948
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 6: of Israel to break out again.

949
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Speaker 2: And throughout history.

950
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: I always found this interesting too, that throughout history, like

951
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: a lot of oppressed groups, right Jews were often restricted

952
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: to professional money lending, for example, right new stereotyp and

953
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 3: now because of a massed wealth and success and power

954
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 3: and financial influence, somehow that's looked at as well, this

955
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: is how they get Yet, which wait a minute, if

956
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: you force someone into doing this and they're really to

957
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: be really good at it, I don't understand how you

958
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 3: could be upset and angery with something you forced people

959
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: to do so profession. Back then, we're limited, as I understand,

960
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: and somehow money lending was frowned upon as a legitimate

961
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 3: source of income or supporting your family, and Jews thrived

962
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: at this, and now years later it's used against them.

963
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're absolutely right. As a matter of fact, this

964
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 6: has been going on for centuries. It becomes out of

965
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 6: Catholic Europe, where usury was considered to be a sin,

966
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 6: and so the Christians didn't engage in money lending and

967
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 6: the Jews did it, and then they were blamed for

968
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 6: only wanting money and being obsessed with money and so on.

969
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 6: And this has become one of the central claims of

970
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 6: the anti Semis to this day, the idea that they

971
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 6: control international banking and finance and star wars and so

972
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 6: on as a result in order just to increase their

973
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 6: profits from weapons and various other things. And it really

974
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 6: all comes out of the fact that most of the

975
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 6: other professions were forbidden to them, and so they went

976
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 6: into banking and so on, and actually the Christian Europeans

977
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 6: needed them because they needed the banks. Yeah, then bothered

978
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 6: them for being involved in banking.

979
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: And which they are forced to begin with.

980
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: The other that element of this thing too is and

981
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: you know, you look at Islam is holding onto this,

982
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: but it seems like Christianity generally has gotten over. You know,

983
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 3: Historically Jews are portrayed as what Christ killers right and

984
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: and they were looked upon the same derision today. Is

985
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: Islam the only major religion laft that really has this

986
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: want to want to attack Jews and essentially restrict Zionism

987
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 3: and reputed all that stuff. I think the only major

988
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: religion left that's that's come out as anti semi.

989
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: It's now.

990
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: You may have pockets in other areas, but as a

991
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: religious organized religion, I think most others don't look at

992
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 3: it that way anywhere?

993
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: Do they?

994
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: Am I wrong?

995
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 6: Well, unfortunately, you've got various aspects of the Koran, the

996
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 6: Holy Book of Islam, that teach things like the Jews

997
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 6: are the worst enemies of the Muslims Chapter five, verse

998
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 6: eighty two, that the Jews will be at the end

999
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 6: of the world. This is a prophecy from Maha that's

1000
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 6: in the traditions in the Hidiz, not in the Qoran.

1001
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 6: But it says that the last day will not come

1002
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 6: until Muslims kill Jews and the Jews will hide behind trees,

1003
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 6: and the trees will call out a Muslim, there's a

1004
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 6: Jew hiding behind me, Come and kill him now, you know.

1005
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 6: Here again it can always be said. Obviously, not every

1006
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 6: Muslim takes that for take that seriously. But those that do,

1007
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 6: they think they can bring on the end times, they

1008
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 6: can hasten the consummation of all things by killing Jews.

1009
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 6: And so this is of course a very dangerous idea

1010
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 6: to have, but it's rooted in the religious texts.

1011
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think most still, I don't know if all,

1012
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: certainly not all Muslims do that. Is there a growing

1013
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: number of people who are more moderate in Islam. And

1014
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: I say that because I look at Iran and they

1015
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: look like a democracy fifty years ago.

1016
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 6: Well, you know, you've got lots of millions and millions

1017
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 6: of people who are moderate in Islam, who are not

1018
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 6: acting upon those passages and not taking them as marching

1019
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 6: orders for today. The problem is that you also have

1020
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 6: others who are.

1021
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: And the ones in power like Amas has Blah, those

1022
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: are the US they espouse. That's the problem.

1023
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, finally, hoist Robert Spencer. It's it's an

1024
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: issue of assimilation to them, they tend to look at

1025
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 3: Jews as well. They want to have their own culture

1026
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: and they don't want to assimilate. But historically, I mean,

1027
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: there's still plenty of people in Islam who don't want

1028
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 3: to do that either. So I don't understand line of thinking.

1029
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. It's contradictory.

1030
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: Well yeah it is.

1031
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 6: But at the same time, the international left loves Islam

1032
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 6: because Islam lends itself to authoritarianism. If you look back

1033
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 6: into history, there are there are no Islamic democracies. There

1034
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 6: are no republics in the Islamic world. Turkey is a

1035
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 6: big exception, but Turkey was founded on an explicit rejection

1036
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 6: of political Islam. Ordinarily, Islam lends itself to authoritarian rule.

1037
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 6: And this is because Mohammed said, to obey your ruler,

1038
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 6: even if he's an Ethiopian with a head like a raisin.

1039
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 6: That a lot of people quote is saying, oh see,

1040
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 6: look he was a racist, and that's another.

1041
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 4: Conversation we could have.

1042
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I think what's more important right now is

1043
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 6: that that makes for authoritarian rule. You obey your ruler

1044
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 6: no matter what, even if he's what Mohammad thought of

1045
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 6: as an outlandish character. And so this is a very

1046
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 6: dangerous thing, but it lends itself. If you got other

1047
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 6: people who want to stamp out democracies, then they think, well,

1048
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 6: we will allow Islam to grow, but we will restrict

1049
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 6: Judaism because it is based on this particularity of people

1050
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 6: where we want to erase the distinctions between people.

1051
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that authoritarianism ring true, because we're leading back that

1052
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: way here in America as we speak, too so, and

1053
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 3: we've got a long way to go before we were

1054
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: like them. But you know, there are areas of this

1055
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 3: that concern me, certainly from a civil liberties perspective.

1056
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Speaker 2: You're in America.

1057
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Speaker 3: Nonetheless, it's Robert Spencer, Anti Semitism, History and myth is

1058
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: the book and all the best. Robert, thanks for coming

1059
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 3: on the show this morning.

1060
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Speaker 4: Hey, great talking to you, Scott.

1061
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Speaker 3: Thank you you bet news weather traffic that is all

1062
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Speaker 3: the way in just minutes here on the show. With

1063
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Speaker 3: President Trump speaking here on the Nation station at nine

1064
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Speaker 3: o'clock last not laying out the plan for a.

1065
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Speaker 2: Couple of months.

1066
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Speaker 3: One is negotiation, the other one is bombing him back

1067
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: to the Stone age. So I don't know which wany

1068
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: believe the markets are reacting negative todays, he say. But

1069
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: he said, hey, now the two three weeks were done.

1070
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Speaker 3: Now I've heard that before from not just him, but

1071
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 3: other presidents. Are we just gonna wind this thing up?

1072
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: Or are we gonna wind it down? We'll find out.

1073
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: And I have no problem, you know, knocking them down

1074
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: and setting them back a little bit, because they were

1075
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Speaker 3: what sixty percent refinement, which means they're pretty close to

1076
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Speaker 3: getting nuclear weapons. Can't allow that to happen because first

1077
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Speaker 3: missiles are gonna hit Tel Aviv, They're gonna hit Israel,

1078
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Speaker 3: and you can't have that. Slowanly seven hundred w all

1079
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Speaker 3: slowly here seven hundred WWR. Guy Sanjay shaver Kamani is back.

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Speaker 3: Last week was opening day, of course, and so he

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Speaker 3: had the day off, not a lot of I don't

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Speaker 3: know er stuff. We can talk about health fitness because

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00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 3: we're out there drinking, eating bad food and join ourselves.

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Speaker 2: That's own. We don't want you spoiling our good time.

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Speaker 3: Mister doctor pants Nanje Shabakamani, your physician at Dinewell Doc.

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Speaker 3: It's where a health and fitness and of course medicine.

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Speaker 3: I'll collide to the question is when you get to it,

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00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: maybe I'm a particular age. I shouldn't say this because

1089
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: we're getting it younger and younger. That is cholesterol medication.

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00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: You hear about the statins and the like, and new

1091
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 3: guidelines say millions more Americans should be on this stuff

1092
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: should start probably at birth for a lot of us

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00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 3: in America. Here, why why not? I believe that honestly,

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00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: with things like Sir cher Leane and you know, with

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Speaker 3: the level of depression and things that people have, and

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00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: it's a wonderful drug. This and statins should be in

1097
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 3: the drinking way. Well, it should all be in the

1098
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: drinking war. Let's talk about that. So what the American

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Speaker 3: College of Cardiology, the Heart Association released the guidelines.

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Speaker 7: What they say, right, So really what they're focusing on

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00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 7: is the prevent risk score. So that stands for it's

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00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 7: not a very fancy acronym. It's predicting the risk of events.

1103
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 7: So it's kind of cheating when it comes to acronyms,

1104
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 7: but prevent is the score. You can actually google this

1105
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 7: and do your own numbers if you know some of

1106
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 7: your you know, lab tests like your LDL cholesterol, your

1107
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 7: hemoglobe in a one CEE and then find out what

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00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 7: your risk is of having a heart attack or stroke

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00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 7: in ten years and in thirty years, and so you know,

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00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 7: just punching the numbers. If you got your labs from

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Speaker 7: your dock and you see those, now what does that

1112
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 7: translate to? Well, if you're in a higher risk category,

1113
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 7: then they say, you know, there's a good chance that

1114
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 7: if your LDL is high, that you would meet criteria

1115
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 7: to be on a stat If you're in a very

1116
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 7: high risk category, well you want to keep your LDL

1117
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 7: below fifty five, which I'm not sure I know anyone

1118
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 7: with an LDL below fifty five, but that's what they're

1119
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 7: aiming for. Is much like harder guidelines for where you

1120
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Speaker 7: want your LDL cholesterol to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha, And that's something you know. No one likes

1122
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 3: taking medicine or going to the doctor. It's just just

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Speaker 3: the way it is. Especially when the ELS guy. I

1124
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: want to see as you. I don't mind you coming

1125
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: in here, but I don't want to go to your

1126
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 3: job and sit in But I think too, It's like

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00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 3: there's also an element people understand this is like you

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Speaker 3: try to take care to eat right, and most of

1129
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: us try to do the best we can, but we don't.

1130
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: But there's a hereditary element to this whole thing as well.

1131
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 7: There is there are things that we can control and can't.

1132
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 7: To your point, you know, diet exercise that will those

1133
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 7: will do stuff. And if your LDL is high, you

1134
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 7: can bring those down decently with diet, exercise, more sleep,

1135
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 7: like we've talked about before. But those those statin medications

1136
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 7: really bring it down a lot, like forty percent, whereas

1137
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 7: you know, diet exercise also be like ten to twenty

1138
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 7: percent reduction in your LDL.

1139
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1140
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the hm my levels are wacky in that

1141
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: it's things like listen, it's you're doing what you're speed

1142
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 2: to be doing. We just can't.

1143
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 3: You can't control genetics. So take a little stat and

1144
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: it balances things out.

1145
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: You're good.

1146
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh.

1147
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Speaker 7: And And what we're finding is is that to your

1148
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 7: point of a lot more people could be on statins

1149
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 7: that would be in that moderate to high risk category

1150
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 7: per the Prevent Score. And so you're going to see

1151
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 7: a change and more statins probably being prescribed in the

1152
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 7: next couple of years because of this new calculator, new guidelines. Additionally,

1153
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 7: they've started saying really start screening the stuff in the

1154
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 7: twenties and thirties, so everyone should, you know, have at.

1155
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: Least get it checked.

1156
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 7: You know, you don't necessarily have to start a statin

1157
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 7: if you don't want to, but at least know where

1158
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 7: your levels are. Especially if you have one of those,

1159
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 7: you might find out you have a genetic predisposition to

1160
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Speaker 7: having high cholesterol. And one more thing would be the

1161
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 7: lipoprotein A, which is starting to become more and more

1162
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 7: significant as we learn more about it, which is another

1163
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 7: type of one of those cholesterol things, but seems to

1164
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 7: be you know, it's very genetically and very genetically based

1165
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Speaker 7: and very hereditary.

1166
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Speaker 3: Yeah, people don't want to hear that in their thirties,

1167
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: like wait, I got to be on a statin. I

1168
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 3: mean I've seen some toddlers that probably should be on

1169
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 3: a stat And at the same time, you see older

1170
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: people like, oh man, it looks fit and thin. It's like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not all these medications. So you know, to your point,

1172
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: you know what you see is not what you get.

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00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 7: Exactly, and you know your whole cholesterol profile might not

1174
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 7: tell you the whole story. Breaking it down individually and

1175
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 7: then talking with your physician about it is an important thing,

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00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 7: and so you know, the question is, well, why does

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Speaker 7: cholesterol matter? And really what it is about is building

1178
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 7: up plaque on the inside of your arteries that feed

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Speaker 7: your heart and your or your brain, and so minimizing

1180
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 7: that risk of forming plaques on the inside of those

1181
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 7: arteries are basically you can imagine it, crud on the

1182
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 7: inside of your plumbing will decrease the risk of heart

1183
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 7: attack and stroke. And that's been shown with the statin

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Speaker 7: medications especially.

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Speaker 3: Does that just happen with age or some people immune

1186
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: to the plaque build up just naturally? Is that again

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00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 3: the genetic thing or I mean diet exercise have a

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00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: long way to go for that too. Can you reverse that?

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Speaker 7: So there are thoughts that you can reverse it. You

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00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 7: can definitely slow it down, and some people say you

1191
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 7: can reverse the plaque as well as far as you

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00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 7: know being born with that stuff. Yes, and people will

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Speaker 7: have a bigger predisposition to developing that stuff and other

1194
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 7: people will be quote immune, I mean not no one's

1195
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 7: completely immune. But what we see is it's not just

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Speaker 7: the cholesterol and the presence of the cholesterol, it's also inflammation.

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00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 7: Inflammation will lead to more plaque build up and plaque rupture,

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Speaker 7: which is what precedes heart attacks and strokes.

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Speaker 3: Inflammation whole another topic, right, sign Jay, the statins they

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00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: have a reputation for muscle soreness and side effects. So

1201
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Speaker 3: you're trying to sell us to a thirty year old.

1202
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: Now what's the reality of that of.

1203
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: The side effects.

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Speaker 7: So the truth is there are a couple side effects

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00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 7: and it is muscle soreness. When people talk about it,

1206
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 7: they're like, oh, muscle breakdown and true muscle breakdown or

1207
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 7: what we know is rabdom analysis, which is you know,

1208
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 7: can threaten your kidneys and stuff. That happens extremely rarely,

1209
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 7: but many people will get muscle soreness. As the dose

1210
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 7: goes higher, you get more muscle soreness more often than not.

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00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 7: So just cutting down the dose if you feel that

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00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 7: can help. But it doesn't seem to be anything dangerous

1213
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 7: most of the time, except when you develop that you know,

1214
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 7: rubbed them AlSi.

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00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure all the time. Just pile it on.

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00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 4: What the hell?

1217
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, just existing makes me feel everything hurts. I can't

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Speaker 3: talk to statin or just I'm an old af Sanjay

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Speaker 3: Shavkramani are eer doctor, a health and fitness guy at Dinewell.

1220
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 3: Doc joins to show every Thursday morning, talk about the

1221
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Speaker 3: latest and in we're talking about cholesterol medication right now,

1222
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 3: and people often hear this and go, I don't want

1223
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: to take that stuff, and you know it's actually it's

1224
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: it's a pretty simple. It's a pretty simple thing to

1225
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: do in order to correct something could be fatal to you.

1226
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: Because man, you've seen people of strokes before, and it's

1227
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 3: if you survive it, not quoid. You survive it, but

1228
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: your life's gonna be a lot different if it winds

1229
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 3: up being the catastrophic kind because there are different levels

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00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 3: of strokes as well.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, And you know the thing is, there's there's evidence

1232
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 7: for taking these statins before you have an event, and

1233
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 7: there's evidence for after you have an event, what we

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00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 7: call secondary prevention to stop it from having another one.

1235
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Speaker 7: And where we really see a ton of difference is

1236
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 7: after strokes and heart attacks patients there on statins. There

1237
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 7: their risk of dying goes down significantly, Their risk of

1238
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 7: having another event goes down a lot. But even before

1239
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 7: you have an event, it can help, just not as much,

1240
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 7: but it's helpful, and either before you or after you've

1241
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 7: had an event.

1242
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Speaker 3: I know someone who spent their life studying medicine is

1243
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: shocked to know this. Most people will listen and go, yeah,

1244
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: I don't care, or you know, I'm fine, I'll I'll

1245
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: be good. But if people abided by this, what what

1246
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 3: would happen to your PCP? I mean, primary care providers

1247
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 3: probably would be swamped with people hearing this and going, well,

1248
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: I probably should get checked and see if I need

1249
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 3: a STAT.

1250
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: I don't think they'd mind.

1251
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 7: I mean, at the end of the day, like bring,

1252
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 7: bring all the stuff early, so again, you don't have

1253
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 7: to see me in the er after you've had a

1254
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 7: catastrophic event. I don't want to see you in the er.

1255
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 7: As much as I like seeing people, I don't want

1256
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 7: to meet you that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so you go in, you get your

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00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: STAT and in the costason they're pretty cheap, I mean,

1259
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 3: because they've.

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00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 7: All come off patent now, so they're they're all generic.

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 7: So you know, there's there's a lot of talk about

1262
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 7: big pharma and the stuff in there, and there are

1263
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 7: you know, some arguments for that, but at the end

1264
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 7: of the day, this is now cheap and and very effective.

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Speaker 3: So what you're saying is if you treat it now,

1266
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 3: it won't be as intensive later on. Basically we're not

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00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 3: even having an event, like we're talking about an m

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00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: I or a stroke.

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00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, so over time, you know, your plaques will build up,

1270
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 7: So you're thinking about the long game here as opposed

1271
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 7: to all right, I'll just take it when I'm sixty

1272
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 7: or seventy, and I'll prevent something from happening. Your cholesterol

1273
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 7: actually starts building up when you're in your twenties and thirties.

1274
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 7: Sadly enough, you know, being in my late forties, that

1275
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 7: is a difficult thing to think about. But I'll tell

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00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 7: you that. Just three weeks ago, I had my panel drawn.

1277
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 7: Although it will look a lot different today than it

1278
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 7: did two weeks ago because I went to see Project

1279
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 7: hil Mary last night and the fiance and I shared

1280
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Speaker 7: a bucket of popcorn the large verse you did, and

1281
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 7: by share I mean I ate three quarters.

1282
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: Okay, of course you did with extra button n'st question.

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00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, so we won't better not even a real butter,

1284
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 7: fake butter, don't tell me that's fake. That was as

1285
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 7: real as it can take real.

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00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 3: Well, you just spent time in Wisconsin, so you know

1287
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: the differenenting fake and real butter. Yes, because there's no margarine.

1288
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 3: There's none of that stuff in Wisconsin. It's butter. It's

1289
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Speaker 3: a real cow.

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Speaker 2: It's the real stuff, full cow, cheese, kurds, beer, full cow.

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Speaker 7: Which I immersed myself. Yeah, so maybe it's gonna be

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Speaker 7: a few weeks. But before I check my class, somebody

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Speaker 7: I know did this. I forget who it was, but

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Speaker 7: it's funny because their wife was out of town. And

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Speaker 7: this was back in the day Tony Terry's Turf Club

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Speaker 7: in Cincinnati, right the Burger place. I think he ate

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Speaker 7: there three nights in a row, and then had I

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Speaker 7: was thinking about.

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Speaker 3: He says, like his twenties or thirties, goes to the doctor,

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Speaker 3: gets a panel drawn, and they called him back in emergency. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he goes do you each time He's like, well, with

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Speaker 3: Terry's Turf guy at a Burger life last second, that's it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to show you. I mean, you can have one,

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Speaker 2: but three nights in a row.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be regretting. It's a problem. Yeah, it's a problem.

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01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 3: So but anything in moderation you can do. The bucket

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Speaker 3: of popcorn and all of the things. Is like I

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Speaker 3: in speaking of a movie, I'll get off on a

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01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: tangent here speaking of movie theaters. I I you know,

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Speaker 3: you go to take out your care to restaurants, the

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Speaker 3: whole thing. I don't know where they get the paperwhere from?

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Speaker 3: Like a small there. It's like a bucket of KFC chicken,

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01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: a small pop Yeah, wait, where are you getting these cups?

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01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: I've seen anywhere else in.

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Speaker 3: The wild except to go to a movie theater. All

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Speaker 3: I'm a small and it literally looks like there was

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Speaker 3: chicken in it before.

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Speaker 7: I had my bucket of popcorn and my bucket of

1319
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 7: coke zero yeah, right next to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just bucketing.

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01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: Why And the thing is you're sitting for ninety minutes

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Speaker 3: to three hours? Are you that dehydrated watching a movie?

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01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 7: I mean I did get hungry after the first like

1325
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 7: after the previews, you know, the previously like forty five

1326
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 7: minutes long, and the popcorn was all gone, and I

1327
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 7: was like, I have none for the movie.

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01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: The popcorn is fine, though, it's like it's it's it's

1329
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: it's floss for your coldon right, I mean it's five

1330
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: talking about fiber. Yeah, it's good. It's good for you.

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01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 7: That's some health benefit. That's pretty much like eating the salad.

1332
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 7: I mean coke zero is hydrating, right. We learned that

1333
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 7: it doesn't overly dehydrate you when you have calfeeden, So yeah,

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01:01:59,600 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 7: I was.

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Speaker 3: Healthy, less hydrating, Like like, I have to get thee

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01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: because when I go to a bar, they don't have

1337
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 3: those size containers.

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Speaker 2: And that's where you really want it, that's where you

1339
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 2: want it. I want a bigger I want the big drums.

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Speaker 2: I bet there's something in Germany. You know, they have

1341
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: the boots and stuff something I don't. I don't know,

1342
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: but it's just con turning to me as I go

1343
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: to movie theaters, like the smallest, like the biggest cup

1344
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. If you get I mean honestly, if

1345
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: you get the large, the extra large, they willing it

1346
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 2: it in. I'm like one of those. It's like a

1347
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: fifty five gallon drum with a straw. You need a

1348
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: palette too, you really roll it in. It's disturbing.

1349
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Speaker 3: I don't know why that is with movie theaters, but

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Speaker 3: we've uncovered that this morning with us An Jay, we're

1351
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Speaker 3: talking about statins this morning, which now you're saying everyone

1352
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 3: listening should be on the status.

1353
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 7: Well, everyone should talk to their doctor about their cholesterol.

1354
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 7: We'll leave it there, but yeah, I mean, do you

1355
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 7: talk about risks and and really it's the muscle thing,

1356
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 7: and then there's a very small chance for if you

1357
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 7: don't have diabetes, of developing new diabetes, but still the

1358
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 7: benefits of it outweigh the risks and that is a

1359
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Speaker 7: very very small chance. But when we're talking about side

1360
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 7: effect profiles, those are the main two. That's it is

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01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 7: the muscle soreness and chance of developing diabetes. Everything else,

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01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 7: And there's been a lot of noise out there. I mean,

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01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 7: I listened to the Hubreman podcast about this, and I

1364
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 7: listened to a couple others just to get the other

1365
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 7: takes on on statins, and it's there's a lot of

1366
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 7: overblown stuff cognition and stuff, memory, dementia, those don't seem

1367
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 7: to play out the same amount of risk with statins

1368
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 7: or with placebo. That's for that, that's for wake gain.

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01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 7: There's a bunch of other stuff, But really what we're

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01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 7: dealing with here is maybe diabetes and that's a small risk,

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01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 7: and then the muscle soreness without any severe or severe risk.

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Speaker 3: There's side effects with anything that you take, and that

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01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 3: includes a baby as when there may be a side

1374
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 3: effect to that thing. And it seems to me if

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Speaker 3: my cholesterol is high and really elevated or borderline, that

1376
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 3: I want to control that. And you got to weigh

1377
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 3: that yourself is to wear. And I think a lot

1378
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 3: of the stuff you're talking about are from folks that

1379
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 3: not maybe not all of them, but many of them

1380
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: are going, I'm just looking for reasons not to go

1381
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 3: to the doctor and get prescribe this right.

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01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know you might find a reason. I'll

1383
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 7: tell you I got. I was scared going into my

1384
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 7: lipid profile check of where I was going to be,

1385
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 7: and I was very happy to see it. That being said,

1386
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 7: I've been on this health journey for the last nine years.

1387
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 7: I'd be scared to look at my lipid profile from

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01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 7: ten years ago. So sure, I know that diet and

1389
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 7: exercise will do a lot, and taking care of yourself

1390
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 7: and sleep, but there will be parts of the population

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01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 7: that you know you you need these medicines to really

1392
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 7: help and decrease that risk. And again it's a conversation

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01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 7: to have with your doctor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: I think out of the part of the problem is

1396
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 3: because I know people otherwise really smart people that are

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01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 3: adamant that even though it's like, hey, I've had a

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01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 3: heart attack or I've done they're going to live their

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01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 3: life the way they want to live their life. That

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01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 3: is that hard for you as a physician to consult

1401
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 3: someone and say here's what you need to do, and

1402
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 3: maybe not as much an ed but that you here's

1403
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: what's going to If you don't do this, You're gonna

1404
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 3: something bad is going to happen. People just don't want

1405
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 3: to hear that. I don't know why that is.

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01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 7: Here's the thing. I know that if I tell someone

1407
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 7: that there's a greater chance that they're not going to

1408
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 7: do what I say.

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01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 4: Why.

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01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 7: It's a human brain.

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01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: Man.

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01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 2: I love psychology too. I just love it.

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01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's I think it comes from when

1414
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 7: our parents used to tell us to do stuff and

1415
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 7: we went against that authority figures telling you what to do.

1416
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 7: A lot of the times you want to do the opposite.

1417
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 7: And so you know, at the end of the day,

1418
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 7: I like going out and eating bad food sometimes because

1419
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 7: I want to be human and I see the human

1420
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 7: part and everyone else. So like if someone's like, yeah,

1421
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 7: I don't want to start a stat and it's it's

1422
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 7: less of a man, you know what you're doing to yourself.

1423
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 7: It's more like, tell me about that, like why? And

1424
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 7: I think that curiosity angle is a lot better and

1425
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 7: more effective approach than telling someone what to do.

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01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think too.

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01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 3: No one wants to be in more meds and the

1428
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: older way get it seems like we're on more meds.

1429
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 3: It's just the nature of the beast. But I waited

1430
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 3: and went, Okay, Well, if my genetic disposition predisposition says

1431
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 3: my cholesterolves are a whack and there's nothing I can

1432
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 3: do to change it despite diet exercise. If I take this,

1433
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm not going to wind up, you know, in a

1434
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 3: wheelchair or hopefully. I mean, I still may have a

1435
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 3: heart attack because I'm Type A and that's on me.

1436
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 3: I can't change that. Well, but this gives me a

1437
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 3: fighting chance exactly. And you know, look for yourself.

1438
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 7: If you're worried about it or thinking about it, do

1439
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 7: the prevent calculator yourself again. You can look for it

1440
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 7: if you just look up Prevent Risk Calculator online. You'll

1441
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 7: find it and then you just go through the steps

1442
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 7: and we'll tell you what your risk of having an

1443
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 7: event is. In the next ten years or thirty years,

1444
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 7: and if that's thirty percent, well maybe it's time to

1445
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 7: think about changing something. You know, you don't have to

1446
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 7: do a complete overall, although that might be effective, but

1447
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 7: at least nowhere your risk is so you know, I mean,

1448
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 7: my my tenure fortunately is one percent, but in thirty

1449
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 7: years it's going to be about ten percent risk of

1450
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 7: having a heart attack or stroke. Okay, so I'll be

1451
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 7: seventy seven by the time I have a one third

1452
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 7: chance of having something. Well, it's not nothing, and maybe

1453
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 7: in several years I'll think about us Dad.

1454
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

1455
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is right, because I just

1456
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 3: ran through the prevent calculator myself while you're rambling there

1457
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 3: and on my phone, and it says I die I

1458
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 3: would have died nineteen thirty seven. That well, I mean,

1459
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if that. You're on borrow time now

1460
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 3: again like a high score. Live it up, man, I

1461
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 3: guess maybe I'll take the whole bottle.

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01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 2: I I have no idea. He's SANJ.

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01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 3: Shaver carmani ere doc also our fitness and health guy,

1464
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 3: and you can find him at Dinewell Doc at dine

1465
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 3: Wald doc Sonjay always comes on the show on Thursday mornings.

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01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 2: To chop up health related stuff. Who knows what we're

1467
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: going to cook up next week.

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Speaker 3: And I also like the I like the ones grab

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Speaker 3: from today's headlines in that too, So there's always some

1470
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 3: news elements we try to work on the show as well.

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Speaker 3: But there you got everything you need about your statins.

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01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 3: So if you're thirty, forty and fifty or maybe sixty

1473
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 3: or older and you haven't been checked, and it's a

1474
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 3: good question, good conversation to have with your physician, which

1475
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 3: HU should at least go once a year. Yeah, the

1476
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 3: very least exactly right. All the best, Thanks Agay Budd,

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Speaker 3: appreciate you. We'll do a news update coming up in

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Speaker 3: minutes on seven hundred Wow. He's Kevin Werner executive director,

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Speaker 3: Will hires and stop executions. Dave yost ag Dave yos

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Speaker 3: just issue with his final twenty This will be for

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five report on the death penalty and it's

1482
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 3: jacked up the evidence coming out About maybe twenty percent

1483
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 3: of our cases go to for capital punishment and execution

1484
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Speaker 3: wind up being overturned. We haven't had an execution in

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Speaker 3: Ohio for seven eight years. None under Mike DeWine, two

1486
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 3: term governor. So if it costs us two to three

1487
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 3: times more per inmates, why are we doing this? Well,

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01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 3: there's now legislation working its way through Columbus, bipartisan legislation

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01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 3: that would eliminate capital punishment in Ohio. He makes the

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01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 3: case next on the Home of the Red seven hundred

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Speaker 3: WWT since.

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Speaker 4: Nonican, It's Scott clumb Show on seven hundred wow.

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Speaker 3: Lot's going on today, including here in the Buckey state,

1494
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: where Ohio has executed fifty six people since nineteen eighty one,

1495
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 3: they've exonerated twelve and one group says that so well,

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01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 3: mass shows you about a twenty percent air rate and

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Speaker 3: they're pushing that in the death penalty for good. And

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01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 3: why this is timely right now is because Attorney General

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Speaker 3: Dave Yost issued his final Capital Crimes Annual Report that's

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Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five and says Ohio hasn't had an

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Speaker 3: execution in seven years. And now there's a bipartisan effort

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01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 3: in Columbus to end the death penalty in Ohio. On

1503
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 3: that as Kevin and Werner, he's the executive director of OTSE.

1504
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 3: That's ohioans to stop executions. Kevin, welcome back.

1505
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 2: How are you?

1506
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 4: Thanks God him well with you?

1507
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, first, plush, this is probably you get this question.

1508
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 3: A lot of people think that being against capital punishment

1509
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 3: means you're soft on crime.

1510
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: Can both of those things be true?

1511
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 4: Well, it's certainly not true with folks who are serious

1512
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 4: about the concerns around the death penalty. I mean, what

1513
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 4: this really is about is about being smarter on crime

1514
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 4: and understanding that we can have a more efficient system,

1515
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 4: and we can spend a whole lot less money, and

1516
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 4: we can hold dangerous people accountable by not having to

1517
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 4: resort to something that doesn't work, never really has, and

1518
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 4: just just cost taxpayers and arm and a leg. So

1519
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 4: it's about being more intelligent with the resources that we

1520
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 4: have at our disposal.

1521
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 3: I think that's important too, because if you look at

1522
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 3: the cost of this whole thing, it's not even I mean,

1523
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 3: it's laughable how much money we spend on each and

1524
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 3: every one of these cases. The numbers off the top

1525
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 3: of my head escape me, but they're pretty sizable. It's like,

1526
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 3: I want to say, the average capital case is over

1527
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 3: a million dollars. The average life without parroll is about

1528
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 3: half that.

1529
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, about three million per case is really what is

1530
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 4: really what it is, and then just under a million

1531
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 4: we could probably be the last cost rising the last

1532
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 4: couple of years, you could probably say a million dollars

1533
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 4: for a non capital case. I mean it's Ohio has

1534
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 4: spent billions of dollars on a system that is coming

1535
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 4: frighteningly close to crossing that line where we say past

1536
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 4: as we have executed it is the people. That's kind

1537
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 4: of one of the things that our report showed was

1538
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 4: just how bad the system has gotten. And really, in

1539
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 4: some ways it's far worse than I think anybody realized

1540
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,799
Speaker 4: when we look at all of the types of cases

1541
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 4: that touch the death penalty, where it turns out this

1542
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 4: person didn't commit the underlying defense.

1543
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 3: We know about the Road of Nathan case here in

1544
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: Blue ash in nineteen ninety four, and this was the

1545
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 3: Elwood Jones exoneration. But you know that that one got

1546
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 3: a lot of publicy. But for someone who is pro

1547
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 3: death penalty, how do you argue against this? So this

1548
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 3: is in Hamilton, Ohio. Right here in Cincinnati. In February

1549
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 3: of two thousand and three, a guy named Ketder murdered

1550
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 3: his former employer an eighty five year old man Laurence

1551
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 3: Sanders at his home in Hamilton, and Ketterer went to

1552
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 3: Sanders home to get some money because he had a

1553
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 3: fine for court costs something in Sanders. He got there

1554
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 3: and Sanders said, look, I don't have the cash. Kedder

1555
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 3: got angry, struck him the head three times with iron

1556
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 3: skillet and then stabbed him, then robbed him and stole

1557
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 3: his car. So Ketdller confessed the police. He pled guilty

1558
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 3: of trial. The DNA testing established a blood on the

1559
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 3: gloves he was wearing on the day of the murder

1560
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 3: match that of mister Sanders. They got him, he admitted

1561
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 3: to it. Why not put him to death?

1562
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1563
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 4: I mean I think that even when you have those

1564
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 4: examples of really, I mean, nobody's gonna think that those

1565
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 4: facts are not that bad. I mean, that's an egregious

1566
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 4: that's a terrible case, right, But I think that understanding

1567
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 4: a couple of things in determined how we want to

1568
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 4: go forward. State of Ohio could spend you know, millions

1569
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 4: and millions of dollars trying to chase an execution for

1570
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 4: for mister Ketterer, or it could also make sure that

1571
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 4: law enforcement agencies are fully funded. It could also make

1572
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 4: sure that we have things like conviction integrity units. It

1573
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 4: could also make sure we have things like adequate resources

1574
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 4: for you know, the men and women who were the

1575
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 4: wear the uniform. One thing I do recall about that

1576
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 4: categor case, I am pretty sure I could be wrong,

1577
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 4: but I'm pretty sure he was removed from death row

1578
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 4: because of severe mental illness. That's a whole another ball

1579
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 4: of whack that we are starting to come to grips with,

1580
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 4: and that doesn't excuse what he did. But what it does,

1581
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:50,440
Speaker 4: I think is recognized that we can hold that person accountable.

1582
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 4: We can keep the community safer with a lot fewer

1583
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 4: resources needed on the front end on the trial and

1584
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 4: the incarceration and on the like I said, like chasing

1585
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 4: the actual execution that, by the way, will likely never happen,

1586
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 4: and so we can be a little bit more intelligent

1587
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 4: about how we respond to those kinds of real horrific offenses.

1588
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 4: Nobody thinks that that was, you know, something that should

1589
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 4: be excused or that shouldn't have that person be held accountable.

1590
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 4: The question is how do we do it in the

1591
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 4: way that's going to help the most people. It's going

1592
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 4: to keep the most people safe. And it's going to

1593
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 4: require the least amount of tax dollars.

1594
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the problem with that, of course, is you

1595
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 3: will have no shortage of attorneys trying to defend him,

1596
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 3: which prolongs the case, which adds to the extreme cost.

1597
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 3: And this is why someone who admits to a murder,

1598
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 3: and let's say, let's take the mental component out of

1599
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 3: it for a second, because there's plenty of examples you

1600
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 3: could say where yeah, they caught them red handed, they've

1601
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 3: confessed to it, okay, and who want to be executed

1602
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 3: and they still you know, takes twenty years. That's the problem.

1603
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 3: Takes twenty years. And I think that's the frustration for

1604
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 3: folks who are pro death penalty, is that, well, if

1605
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 3: you have someone who confesses to it, they caught him

1606
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 3: red handed, they got the guy. It seems like it

1607
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: should be a pretty quick process, because it used to

1608
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 3: be you'd do this and within a couple of months,

1609
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 3: you know, you'd face the hangman's news, so to speak.

1610
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: Or and now it's twenty thirty years or more.

1611
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's something is interesting that I that

1612
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 4: we came across as we kind of delved into so

1613
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 4: many of these of these cases they're documented cases. Now

1614
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 4: we wrote about them in our report. Where there's a confession,

1615
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 4: there's a confession, and part of part of what led

1616
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 4: that person to death row was you know, this confession.

1617
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 4: And then we learned a little bit more about, well

1618
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 4: how was that confession obtained? And it turns out in

1619
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 4: a couple of cases where there is this you know, confession,

1620
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 4: that it was coerced or it was a situation where

1621
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 4: two guys were involved and the you know, the prosecutor says, hey,

1622
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 4: you know, we'll give you lesser charge if you cooperate

1623
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 4: with us and tell us what this other person did

1624
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 4: over here. And those are often the cases where the

1625
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 4: person who's who's getting the plea deal, who's getting the

1626
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 4: you know uh in exchange for testimony, really is more culpable.

1627
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 4: And so just because we could say, ah, you know,

1628
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 4: we've got a confession over here, you know, the rock

1629
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 4: solid case, well, Scott, they're all supposedly rock solid cases,

1630
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,959
Speaker 4: and yet here we are twelve death rogues and houneries.

1631
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 4: We found twelve other cases where the state tried to

1632
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 4: get to death penalty. There was a life sentence of

1633
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 4: some time, but it was a death penalty trial and

1634
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 4: those other twelve cases led to a conviction and then

1635
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 4: decades later those people being exonerated. So the wrongful conviction

1636
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 4: problem in Ohio is actually be far worse than what

1637
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 4: anybody realizes. But just because the prosecutor may say, ah,

1638
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 4: this is a really strong case, will they say that

1639
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 4: about every deathenalty? Right? And so again, like the system

1640
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 4: is making mistakes at an alarming rate, and so you

1641
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 4: know the better policy is just to walk away from

1642
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 4: it and spend ohigh taxpayer dollars in a more efficient

1643
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 4: and a smarter way.

1644
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 3: Well, is the inverse true, then, Kevin Werner, Executive Director

1645
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 3: of Ohio and stop executions in that there are people

1646
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 3: who are murders and they wound up being freed. And

1647
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 3: because people really believe that, And it wasn't about the

1648
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 3: the case necessario, it was about the fight over the

1649
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 3: death penalty. That I'm not saying you are. But the

1650
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 3: people think everyone who is a criminal is innocent. I

1651
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 3: think we have elected officials in Cincinnati to believe that somehow,

1652
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 3: the and judges that think criminals are victims somehow. I

1653
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,959
Speaker 3: suppose everyone is messed up. That is the nature of society.

1654
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 3: But when it rises to the level of a felony

1655
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 3: or a serious crime. It's a different story in my book.

1656
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 3: But is a case where maybe that you know, the

1657
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 3: Innocence Project, God Bless them, or another group like that,

1658
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 3: we're able to free someone who actually did it. I

1659
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 3: think that's possible too, isn't it.

1660
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:54,520
Speaker 4: Well. I think that that would be a really outside

1661
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 4: of the mainstream of vul conviction.

1662
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 3: A lot of people think Elwood Jones, Elwood Jones. A

1663
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 3: lot of people think Elwood Jones did it and he

1664
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 3: got off.

1665
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 4: Well. I mean, we could talk about Elwood Jones. But

1666
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 4: you know, here's what we find when we see people

1667
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 4: who are wrongfully convicted and freed. The reasons that it

1668
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 4: happens is number one, first and foremost, it's misconduct on

1669
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 4: the part of investigators or prosecutors. That is the driver.

1670
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 4: We see perjury or false accusation. We see false or

1671
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 4: misleading forensic evidence, we see mistaken eyewitness identification, we see

1672
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 4: false confessions, as I said, and we see inadequate legal counsel.

1673
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 4: Those are the reasons that lead people to be exonerated.

1674
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 4: I really don't think. I think with all of the

1675
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 4: failed states, if you will, in the system, I think

1676
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 4: it's much harder for someone who you know, quote unquote,

1677
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 4: you know really may have, really may be culpable to

1678
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 4: kind of get you know, some technicality. Ellwood Jones, you know,

1679
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 4: I was talking to him on the phone the other

1680
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 4: day and he said something remarkable to me. We were

1681
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 4: talking about how I guess it was yesterday with the

1682
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 4: Attorney General sort of saying, uh, you know, oh, we

1683
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 4: haven't had the executions. My entire time at DAG is

1684
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 4: almost like a regret. When should I? He said, he said,

1685
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 4: when should I have been executed? When would have been

1686
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 4: convenient for the Attorney General for me to be executed

1687
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 4: for something that I didn't do? And it's it's astonishing

1688
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 4: that our system right now, and people like Dave Yos

1689
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 4: and people like the legislators who are pushing for execution

1690
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 4: seem to care more about revving up this machine than

1691
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 4: they do about making sure that we have the right person.

1692
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 4: When you Scott, when you withhold four thousand pages of documents,

1693
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 4: some of which show UH are exculpatory for Elwood Jones,

1694
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 4: some show alternative suspects, that's not a technicality, that is

1695
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 4: prosecutoral misconduct. And you know, people can think what they want,

1696
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 4: but as a pretty alarming case when it comes to

1697
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 4: you know, right there in Cincinnati, in the backyard Hamilton County,

1698
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 4: I mean, that is egregious, and you know, with shocking

1699
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 4: we came across other cases where Hamilton County cases. There's

1700
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 4: a Jeffrey Wogan Stall case that after discovery happened in

1701
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 4: a federal court like twenty years later, a shocking amount

1702
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 4: of evidence was withheld that tends to point to other people.

1703
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 4: You know, we styled this report that we just released

1704
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 4: into basically five different categories, and Hamilton County has cases

1705
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 4: in every four of those five categories. So again, like

1706
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 4: I understand, people may have concervatives they I don't know

1707
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 4: about this shiit of that case, but the systemic, widespread

1708
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 4: problem shows that there is a huge problem with wrongful conviction.

1709
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 4: I don't believe that every single one of these has

1710
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 4: like you know, prosecutor has this like bad intent. I

1711
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 4: think they get tunnel vision. I think they form a theory.

1712
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 4: I think they tend to follow evans that kind of

1713
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 4: supports their theory. But in the wake of that, we've

1714
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 4: got a huge mess with lots of people incarcerated for

1715
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 4: things they didn't do.

1716
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 3: Kevin Werner's here executive director him to stop executions. Dave

1717
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 3: Yost with his final because he's going to turn out

1718
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 3: as ag Capital Crimes Report and says, we have an

1719
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 3: execution at seven years almost eight. And now there's there's

1720
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 3: actually a bipartisan effort Columbus to end this thing, the

1721
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 3: death penalty. And I'm for ending it simply because it's

1722
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 3: a tremendous waste of resources and money, and there's SERTs,

1723
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,879
Speaker 3: an equity issue and an issue of fairness, but primarily

1724
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 3: it's like, we're not executing anyone, so why have it

1725
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 3: on the books? Also, you kind of talked about prosecutorial

1726
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 3: misconduct there. Brady violations were present in eleven or twelve

1727
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 3: exoneration case eleven of the twelve cases, have any of

1728
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,440
Speaker 3: those prosecutors faced dispirement or criminal charges or any consequences

1729
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 3: for that? And if the answer is no, does how

1730
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 3: does the system correct itself?

1731
01:20:58,920 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1732
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 2: The short answer is no.

1733
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 4: The longer answer I think is, you know, there may

1734
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 4: be some internal sanctions that Hamilton County prosecutor may hold,

1735
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 4: uh some kind of like you know, probation for some

1736
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 4: period of time, but there's no real tee uh, to

1737
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 4: to accountability for prosecutors that that you know, engage in

1738
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 4: these kind of Brady violations. And you know, when you

1739
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 4: look across the state and you see, you know, a

1740
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 4: case in Cuyahoga County and then another one in Kyaho

1741
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 4: County and another one in Cyahoga County, the same people,

1742
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 4: it's the same assistant prosecutors. It's the same individuals who

1743
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 4: are not held accountable, who continue to sort of repeat

1744
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 4: these you know errors, and you know, in a very

1745
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 4: shocking way. I was rereading some stuff from some trial

1746
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 4: trial that Mark Pete Meyer, who's an assistant county prosecutor,

1747
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 4: was an assist county prosecutor home the county said during

1748
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 4: I think it was a deposition that you know, they

1749
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 4: didn't really get any training on on Brady material. Didn't

1750
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 4: really they weren't really told how to uh, you know,

1751
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 4: hand over exculpatory evidence, right, And that is just mind blowing.

1752
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 4: And then in another part another case on a trial,

1753
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 4: you know, he had said something like, well they had

1754
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 4: a very narrow interpretation of Brady got there's no narrow

1755
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 4: interpretation of I mean it is you turnover exculpatory and

1756
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 4: you turn over and teaching evidence period. It's not like, well,

1757
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 4: we're going to do it in these circumstances, but not

1758
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,799
Speaker 4: those over here, and well when we have certain factors.

1759
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 4: I mean, this is why these things continue to occur

1760
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 4: is because the folks who who make the mistakes are

1761
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 4: not how the count.

1762
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 2: And people hear this the Brady rules.

1763
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: Basically, it means the prosecutors failed to disclose material or

1764
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 3: evidence exculpatory evidence meaning innocence proving or impeachment, which is

1765
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 3: a credibility issue when they don't have that over to

1766
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 3: the defense. Your report calls Ohio's air rate about twenty percent,

1767
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,719
Speaker 3: that's one for every five executions. But the Attorney General's

1768
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 3: Final Crime Report says that Ohio has no known instance

1769
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:13,759
Speaker 3: of executing an instant persons.

1770
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 2: Who's right and how do you respond to that claim?

1771
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 4: Well, I think, first of all, Dave and the attorney

1772
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 4: that has to have that line, he has to say,

1773
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 4: we've never executed an innocent person. I think Lou Tobin,

1774
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 4: the Prosecuting Attorney Association ed yesterday said that our report

1775
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 4: didn't even look at the current cases. But there are

1776
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 4: nine of them, right, So I think these guys are

1777
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 4: towing the company mine. I think they're saying the things

1778
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 4: that they have to say, because guess what, when you

1779
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 4: start uncovering and start acknowledging the wrongful conviction problem that

1780
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 4: you have and you're, you know, sort of a state actor,

1781
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:49,839
Speaker 4: you have to take corrective measures.

1782
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 5: Right.

1783
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 4: You're going to face lawsuits, You're going to face all

1784
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 4: kinds of compensation award claims, and so they have to

1785
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 4: say what they're saying. You know, you can't see a

1786
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 4: serious person who really wants to get this system right,

1787
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 4: who really wants to make sure it's working, and say

1788
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 4: some of those things. Ten more than ten years ago,

1789
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 4: recommendations were made to clean up Ohio's death pony system,

1790
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 4: and guess what, none of them were put in place.

1791
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: Do you think this time this time?

1792
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 3: Do you think that this time final question for you, Kevin,

1793
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 3: that there's a bill right now, it's bipartisan of all

1794
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 3: things in Columbus to question the issue whether or not

1795
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 3: we should end the death pound. I mean, we haven't

1796
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 3: had it in years here, it's going to be seven

1797
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: eight years at this point too. Dowine hasn't had one

1798
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 3: in his term. It feels like it's kind of useless,

1799
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 3: it's stupid. Because we're not doing it. It's hard to

1800
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 3: get the cocktails in order to do it. It seems

1801
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 3: like the easiest path here is just that is given

1802
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 3: up and going listen to the advocates against this stuff

1803
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 3: win because it's costing us way more money than it should.

1804
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 3: And I think ultimately the people who pay the biggest

1805
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 3: price are the victims family is that there's no justice

1806
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 3: for them. You know, when you're sitting around and Okay,

1807
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 3: you've been sentenced to death, great, well it's going to

1808
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 3: take You're going to die of natural causes on death row,

1809
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 3: which is much better than being in general population. You

1810
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 3: treated much better than you are in general population. And

1811
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 3: so it feels like they're getting almost a prison reward,

1812
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 3: if you know. Yeah, they're locked up, but it's a

1813
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 3: better quality of life because you want some element of

1814
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 3: suffering there. If you're a victim of a family member,

1815
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 3: the victim, the person who's murdered, they're not getting their

1816
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 3: justice either. To me, it seems like that this thing

1817
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 3: should go through and be passed.

1818
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, really, what we have is we have

1819
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 4: a system that doesn't work. We've had this for forty

1820
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 4: five years, and you know, the data points are in.

1821
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 4: It's most harmful to victim family members who were told

1822
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 4: again and again and again, we're going to get justice,

1823
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 4: we're going to get justice, and then of course that

1824
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 4: fact never occurs. Costs so much money. Yeah, I mean,

1825
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 4: the right thing to do is to recognize that it

1826
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 4: doesn't work. To end the death penalty system once and

1827
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 4: for all, like that is the smart thing to do.

1828
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 4: There's most I think legislators that you talk to today

1829
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 4: understand that, and most people are there. The public is

1830
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 4: certainly already there. We have polling going back, you know,

1831
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 4: six seven years that shows the public is more than

1832
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 4: fifty percent ready to walk away from the death penal system.

1833
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 4: But there's a couple of holdouts who just who just

1834
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 4: can't wrap their minds around.

1835
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 3: I think, and I think it's going to change. You know,

1836
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 3: you get younger people, and I think that's going to

1837
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 3: be it anyway. Kevin Warner's the executive director of High

1838
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 3: wants to stop executions. The news of Devio's final capital

1839
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 3: Crimes report. Thanks again for the time, all the best,

1840
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 3: Thank you, Scott, appreciate it. We got to get news

1841
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 3: in and then we get to fight. I get to

1842
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 3: fight with my wife as It's cheaper than therapy, is

1843
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 3: what it is. There are dirty launder you enjoy that,

1844
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 3: you feel better about your relationship. I will also talk

1845
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 3: about real estate. We love each other. She's next show

1846
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 3: seven hundred w Alba. Take a look at your watch.

1847
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 3: It's real Estate Time with Michelle Sloan rematch time Agent

1848
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 3: extraordinaire from Sloan saleshomes dot Com. Now pay attention, then

1849
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 3: take notes. There might be a pop quiz at the

1850
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 3: end on seven hundred. Jobad, Good morning, what's going on?

1851
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: Dear?

1852
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 8: Hello?

1853
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 5: Happy Thursday, Happy Thursday. Going into Easter weekend? Now?

1854
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 3: No, yeah, well you got your Easter hat, your new

1855
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,560
Speaker 3: Easter outfit. I hid the eggs in the yard before you.

1856
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 3: I should be pretty happy.

1857
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 4: Is yeah.

1858
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 8: I don't think I have enough chocolate in that.

1859
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, she wants she wants eggs full of hundreds

1860
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 2: and diamonds? Is what you want? Anyway?

1861
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 3: The Easter Bunny says, you know you We've been together

1862
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 3: for four hundred years and the thing one thing I

1863
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 3: love about my job is that every day I learned

1864
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 3: something new. And that's true with anything that there's something

1865
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 3: about I don't know learning something. My goal wants is

1866
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 3: to learn something I didn't know before. I enjoyed doing that,

1867
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 3: and yesterday I learned something about my wife in the

1868
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 3: three hundre year four in new years of marriage with

1869
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 3: it is that so she's she's got this thing on

1870
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 3: her wrist and she wants to.

1871
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 2: Cut it off. Not not a skin tag or anything

1872
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 2: like that.

1873
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 3: It was a bracelet and she's trying to cut it

1874
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 3: in the kitchen and she's got the kitchen cheers out

1875
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 3: and she's gnawing at the single Why aren't these scissors cut?

1876
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 3: And it's the bracelets on her right hand and she's

1877
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 3: using her left hand. I said, well, Michelle, those are

1878
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 3: left they're not left handed scissors or right handed scissors.

1879
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 2: And you looked at me and said, you know what,

1880
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 2: you are so full of crap.

1881
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 3: I'm so I'm so used to you lying to me

1882
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 3: and all the time about stuff that I don't believe

1883
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 3: there's sight. How have you lived this long and not

1884
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 3: known there's left handed and right handed scissors?

1885
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 5: Actually, I still don't believe you. I didn't look it up,

1886
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 5: but you swear it's real.

1887
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 2: It's real.

1888
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 5: It was a April Fool's joke or something, because you know,

1889
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 5: it's it's was one of those wristbands that you get

1890
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 5: when you go to a club.

1891
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're at the club, that is what we were.

1892
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 2: And then shots were fired so we left.

1893
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 5: But but I was trying to get this dumb thing

1894
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 5: off and you usually just like yank it off, and

1895
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't want to do that. So I

1896
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 5: got the scissors out and I'm trying to cut it

1897
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 5: with the scissors and it wasn't cutting. Yeah, And then

1898
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 5: you told me there's such thing as a left and

1899
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 5: a right hand, because they're using your left hand to

1900
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 5: use the scissors and it's not working. I said, well,

1901
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 5: that's because they're bright handed scissors, and you said that

1902
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 5: you're so full of crap.

1903
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 8: I don't think that's real.

1904
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: Well, no, because the blade.

1905
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 3: I don't know the intercase of it, but because the blade,

1906
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 3: and you know, there's the sharp part and the not

1907
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 3: sharp part. And the problem is that for left handed

1908
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:33,680
Speaker 3: scissors it's the opposite that the blade's not on top,

1909
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 3: so you can't do it.

1910
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 8: Here's the thing.

1911
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 5: I really didn't care about it enough. I think you're

1912
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 5: full of it to actually look it up at the time.

1913
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 5: And there are people probably that are looking it up

1914
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 5: right now, or maybe they know this as a thing.

1915
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 3: You don't remember that from like I remember that, Like

1916
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 3: I haven't used a long time, but I remember that

1917
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 3: in grade school that there would be for the left

1918
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 3: handed kids. There would be left handed scissors, and then

1919
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 3: they'd have a different Yeah, they'd have a different colored

1920
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 3: handle and art class or I guess what's at the handle.

1921
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 3: I get the grit where the grips are, and like

1922
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 3: the green ones I don't know would be left and

1923
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 3: then the red ones would be right. And then we'd

1924
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 3: make fun of the kids who with the left hand

1925
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 3: like that some sort of disability or like like they're different,

1926
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 3: they're mutants or something like that.

1927
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,719
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, back in the day, you do that stuff.

1928
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 3: And now I'm sure there's groups for your left handed

1929
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,759
Speaker 3: people and left handed equity and diversity and inclusion for lefties,

1930
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 3: and like, I don't know, you people are freaks. You know,

1931
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 3: when you're a kid, you're you're looking at you're looking

1932
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 3: to ostracize people. At that age, your whole your whole

1933
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 3: job as a kid is to try to single out

1934
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 3: eat individual and just just beat the living snout of

1935
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 3: their self esteem. That's childhood childhood's about and so I

1936
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,560
Speaker 3: still remember that from grade school, and I got a

1937
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 3: lot of problems being the fat, curly haired kid.

1938
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 2: Is like, at least I'm not left handed, you did

1939
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 2: have troubles.

1940
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 3: I don't have glasses and I'm not left handed, so

1941
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 3: I'm not a four eyes and I'm not a lefty.

1942
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 2: So there you go. Anyway, my wife had said.

1943
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 3: You're you, and you know, here's the thing about you

1944
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 3: is you'll go to your grave disbelieving left and right

1945
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,679
Speaker 3: handed scissors, and you'll you'll die in that hill speak

1946
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 3: instead of just going to your phone and looking it

1947
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 3: up to see if it's true.

1948
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 8: I didn't care that much and I still don't because.

1949
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 3: I'll bring it up in the future and you'll go, no,

1950
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 3: there's no such thing, and you would rather sound ignorant

1951
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 3: than find.

1952
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 2: Out the facts.

1953
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 8: Absolutely not.

1954
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 2: Okay, well right, that's where our relationship.

1955
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 5: Works before I get home today. But right now, I'm

1956
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 5: I'm not concentrating on the left and the right handed.

1957
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,560
Speaker 2: I never Well, that's you know what I asked for

1958
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 2: you when I ask.

1959
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 8: If I'm trying to use my left handed Okay.

1960
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 3: I said, because that's why, Well, why do you think

1961
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 3: it didn't work, did you suddenly, after all these years,

1962
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 3: forget how to use scissors.

1963
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 8: The scissors are sharp, you think that they're sharp both ways.

1964
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 3: That makes that means their left handed scissors. If you usual,

1965
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 3: you're right, it would have worked. The other thing is

1966
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 3: I've cut wrist prices like you before it, and I

1967
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 3: come at you. I get the big butcher's knife out,

1968
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 3: and then you look at the chef's tenant chef's knife,

1969
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 3: and you go, you're gonna cut my wrist off. I've

1970
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 3: never cut your wrist off, but it's just slicing. Let's

1971
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 3: go now, I'm might. And there she is with the scissors,

1972
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:03,440
Speaker 3: trying to left handed Candy dufrayin trying to tunnels.

1973
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 5: Sot reverse blades with the top blade on the left,

1974
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:10,879
Speaker 5: allowing lefties to see their cutting line, enabling natural, comfortable

1975
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,799
Speaker 5: motion without fighting the tool. These scissors prevent hand fatigue

1976
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 5: blah blah blah to sign and benefit key aspects to

1977
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 5: left handed scissors, unlike oh my gosh, unlike.

1978
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 8: Right handed scissors where the left blade is on two.

1979
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 8: All right, you were right, What did you say?

1980
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 2: Let me hold on? So let me turn your mic

1981
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 2: couple of more, go ahead, three two one go.

1982
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: You were right.

1983
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 8: You were right, Scott Sloan, you were right.

1984
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 2: A man needs to hear.

1985
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, it took us five minutes for us

1986
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 8: to be arguing.

1987
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 3: The only reason people listen to the segment, the only reason.

1988
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 3: I don't know why the ratings are so good for

1989
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 3: it either.

1990
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 4: Who is wrong?

1991
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. People love this when we fight like

1992
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 2: this and go my husband, I do that too, We

1993
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 2: just don't talk about it on a radio station.

1994
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: I know.

1995
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,679
Speaker 8: So there's a such thing as a left handed scissors son.

1996
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 2: Well, i'll love a go.

1997
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 3: Well, it's like your dad said when I asked your

1998
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 3: dad for your hand in marriage before I did the

1999
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 3: right thing, asked your dad and he said, well, I

2000
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 3: think that's a good idea. He said, why, he goes,

2001
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,839
Speaker 3: We'll never marry anyone smarter than you anyway.

2002
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 8: Okay he never said that, what your dad.

2003
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 2: That's what your dad told me.

2004
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 8: Okay, well, you're gonna OutKick your coverage. Son, You'll never

2005
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:31,799
Speaker 8: make it. I think they he'd say that, you guys.

2006
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 2: Will never make it. Never.

2007
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 1: Man.

2008
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 3: Here we are why because we're both stubborn. That's why

2009
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 3: we're not gonna let it go. We're just not gonna

2010
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 3: let it go. Oh no, we love each other tremendously

2011
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 3: and you can because you know, we can joke about

2012
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 3: stuff like that.

2013
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 2: All right, let's what's the topic today here?

2014
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 8: Okay.

2015
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 5: Second number one question people ask me about real estate

2016
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 5: is how's the market. Well I'll answer that really quickly

2017
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 5: right now, is how's the market? The mortgage rates are

2018
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 5: up to six and a half percent. We were at

2019
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 5: six percent. Now we've had all this turmoil in the

2020
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 5: country and in the world, so rates are bumping up

2021
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 5: a little bit.

2022
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 4: All right.

2023
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 5: So that's the most common question. But the question that

2024
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 5: most people don't ask is can I stay in my

2025
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 5: home too long? What is the cost of doing nothing

2026
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 5: and just living in my home? And there are I

2027
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 5: love this twist on in my world, the age old

2028
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 5: question how's the market? Or is this a good time

2029
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 5: to buy or sell? And if you're not asking that question,

2030
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 5: maybe you're just saying I'm just going to say where

2031
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 5: I am because it's fine, it's just fine. But that's

2032
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 5: costing you money. And so that's what we're going to

2033
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 5: talk about today. I've got like five points to make

2034
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 5: if we have time. After our right and left handed discussion.

2035
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 5: A Number one the equity in your home. Staying put

2036
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 5: might be actually tying up a lot of wealth that

2037
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 5: you could be using. So so many people right now

2038
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 5: are sitting on thousands and thousands of dollars worth of equity,

2039
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 5: and you could be using that money to eliminate debt,

2040
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:14,799
Speaker 5: upgrading your home, doing taking vacations, reinvesting in other things,

2041
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 5: or reinvesting in a home that actually fits your needs

2042
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 5: better than your current home. So living in your home

2043
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:23,640
Speaker 5: for a long time, and even if you have it

2044
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 5: paid off, you're sitting on amount of money. And if

2045
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 5: that's fine and you like and that gives you peace

2046
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 5: of mind, great, but it is it's you're not utilizing

2047
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 5: that resource like you could.

2048
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you're your own bank. That's the way

2049
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 2: to look at.

2050
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:42,799
Speaker 8: It, exactly exactly.

2051
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,600
Speaker 5: The number two item on the list today of the

2052
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 5: hidden cost of staying in your home too long is

2053
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 5: maintenance creep, because older houses will cost you more money

2054
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 5: in repairs. The roof, the HVAC, of the appliance is

2055
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 5: all stack up. Usually when one thing goes, they all go.

2056
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 5: If you have a home that's let's say twenty years old,

2057
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 5: twenty years is that time frame where things.

2058
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 8: Start to go like boom boom boom boom boom.

2059
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 5: So the longer you wait, the more your house starts

2060
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 5: to make financial decisions for you, because you're if you

2061
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 5: don't upgrade those items that are starting to fail, if

2062
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 5: you're not upgrading your windows, if you're not upgrading your HVAC.

2063
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 5: The longer you wait, the more it's going to cost.

2064
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 5: So you know, maintenance creep is a big deal.

2065
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 1: It really is.

2066
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know if you're handy, yeah, why you know,

2067
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 3: it's you know, you can buy a house a little

2068
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,600
Speaker 3: cheaper and do the repairs yourself, which we do.

2069
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 2: So that's a different thing. What's number three?

2070
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 5: Number three is a lifestylee mismatch, meaning you know, this

2071
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 5: past summer we moved out of our house that we

2072
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 5: lived in for twenty years.

2073
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 2: Yes, well evicted, not moved, but yeah, we did not

2074
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 2: get evicted. Oh my sheriff came. It was a whole thing.

2075
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 5: Now. We we moved out and we actually did the

2076
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,560
Speaker 5: right sizing for our lifestyle.

2077
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 8: We moved into a ranch for old people, so that

2078
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 8: my knees done.

2079
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 4: Right.

2080
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 8: But the kids moved out and we had too much space.

2081
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 5: We didn't need the traditional two story for bedroom, two

2082
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 5: and a half bath home.

2083
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 8: You know, we just didn't need it for our family.

2084
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 5: And now there's a nice family living in that home

2085
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 5: with their two kids, grandma and everybody else.

2086
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 3: The whole thing, the whole well too is you watch

2087
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 3: you know, your you raise your kids in their house,

2088
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 3: and it's that's the hard part, is this kid, because

2089
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 3: there's so many memories there. But you realize, like, hey,

2090
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 3: you know what when we moved in, there was a

2091
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,560
Speaker 3: couple older couples, Oh, the nice older couple down the

2092
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 3: Streeter store, you know, a couple of elderly folks there too.

2093
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 3: And then you know, after so many years, you're like,

2094
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 3: holy crap, I became that guy. And you look at

2095
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 3: it going your young family's around and it's you know,

2096
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 3: time to time to turn it over.

2097
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, So that's that's just it's the cycle of life, correct,

2098
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 8: the cycle of life.

2099
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 2: Very good.

2100
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 5: Hidden cost of staying in your home too long. Number

2101
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 5: four rising property taxes and insurance. You know, even if

2102
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 5: your mortgage is lower, it's paid off, these costs will

2103
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 5: obviously continue to climb. You're not going to be able

2104
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 5: to get rid of those costs. But maybe you can

2105
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 5: find a new place to live that maybe they're a

2106
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 5: little bit lower. It's interesting how much you know a

2107
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:36,440
Speaker 5: cost of the home when you build in insurance and taxes.

2108
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 5: It's like it's like a mortgage payment in and of itself.

2109
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 5: So you want to look at those factors, and if

2110
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 5: you're in your home for a long time, you don't

2111
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 5: look at them because the incremental creep. I'm talking about

2112
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 5: lots of creeps today, Scott.

2113
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 3: What you're talking about me, Yeah, the incremental creep as

2114
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 3: I've known it around the household.

2115
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 8: That's right, incremental creep.

2116
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:02,719
Speaker 5: And then you are other if also, if you're looking

2117
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:05,720
Speaker 5: at opportunities and you've been living in your home and

2118
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 5: you're thinking, eh, it's fine, I'll just stay here because

2119
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 5: it's cheaper to stay where I'm at, But you are

2120
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 5: missing some marketing windows, meaning some perfect timing.

2121
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 8: You can never time the market one hundred percent.

2122
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:21,799
Speaker 5: And right now we're in a kind of a weird

2123
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 5: market zone where some homes that are new to the

2124
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 5: market are selling really really quickly.

2125
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 8: If you have a ranch home to.

2126
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,719
Speaker 5: Sell, I'm going to tell you please call me, because

2127
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 5: I have three buyers right now looking for a ranch

2128
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,639
Speaker 5: home to purchase, but they're looking for a ranch home

2129
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,560
Speaker 5: that's not six thousand square feet. They're looking for a

2130
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 5: just a moderate ranch home that's maybe two thousand square feet. So,

2131
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,799
Speaker 5: you know, the whole thing is as we move along

2132
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 5: and being in the business for twenty years, the whole

2133
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 5: point of and this is where we got caught when

2134
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 5: the more trades were so darn low. Everybody just stood

2135
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 5: still for so long. The average time that we live

2136
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 5: in our home. When I first got in the business,

2137
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,560
Speaker 5: it was five years, then it was seven years, and

2138
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 5: now the average time you live in your home is

2139
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,679
Speaker 5: ten years. I actually think in Cincinnati it's probably longer

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Speaker 5: than that because we just tend to stay in our

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Speaker 5: home and we're happy. And especially if you live on

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Speaker 5: the West Side, you've lived in your home for fifty

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Speaker 5: years or it's been passed down from generation to generation.

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Speaker 5: And that's fine, as long as you understand that there

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Speaker 5: are some opportunities that you might be missing when it

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Speaker 5: comes to your home. Okay, that is all right. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: now's a good time. It's spring, it's now. Now's a

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Speaker 5: good time to.

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Speaker 8: Say, Okay, should I stay or should I go?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 5: You know, should I stay or should I sell, do

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Speaker 5: a little checkup, call a real estate agent.

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Speaker 8: That's what I do.

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Speaker 5: And you don't have to call a real estate agent

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Speaker 5: just because you're selling. You can call someone like myself

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Speaker 5: and just say, hey, listen, I'm thinking about selling. I

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Speaker 5: don't know if it's the right time. I don't know

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Speaker 5: if I'm ready, but I just want somebody to talk to.

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Speaker 5: And you know what, that's what I do every day.

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Speaker 5: And people are afraid to call and say, oh, I

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Speaker 5: don't want to bother you. Well it's okay, because please

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Speaker 5: bother her. She quite honestly keeps your occupied. My wife,

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Speaker 5: Michelle Sloan. Sloan sells homes dot com, open House show

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Speaker 5: That's me, the iHeartRadio app and of course the show

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Speaker 5: on YouTube as well. She jumps in Thursdays, and as

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Speaker 5: the interest said, she cuts through the real estate jungle.

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Speaker 5: The problem is is why she's been at twenty years.

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Speaker 5: She's been using left handed scissors. That's why it's taken

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Speaker 5: her twenty years to cut through the real estate jungle.

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Speaker 4: Is the real thing.

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Speaker 8: That's a thing.

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Speaker 2: How about that? You were right? Just you know, just

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Speaker 2: like the wedding mouse said, Obey, gosh, I'm going to make.

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Speaker 8: It four hundred and fifty one years.

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Speaker 2: Love it once in a while. You're right, and I

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Speaker 2: like to hear it.

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Speaker 4: And I got it.

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Speaker 2: I got the cut. There's a cut. I got the cut.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, all right, love you, gotta go see you later.

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Speaker 3: We got a whole week to come up on material

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Speaker 3: for next week's fight, any I love her so anyway,

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Speaker 3: let's give a news update. Here Willie on the way

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Speaker 3: next to Home of the Red seven hundred ww since

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Speaker 3: now