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Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm here with Brian Jory. I'm Scott Burline

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Speaker 1: with Let's Garden with Scott Burline. Good morning to all

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Speaker 1: of you. I'm here with my good friend arch enemy,

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Speaker 1: both of them together all at once. Brian georg from

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Speaker 1: also from the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. Brian, welcome,

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Speaker 1: How are you today? Not bad? How are you doing

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Speaker 1: this early early? Yeah, I'm still learning how to do

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Speaker 1: you know, a three o'clock wake up call at six am?

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Speaker 1: Beyond the radio situation. But so far, so good. I've

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Speaker 1: had my coffee, nice breakfast. You know, we got here early,

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Speaker 1: so there's no panic. So Brian, we have a really

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Speaker 1: good show here today. We have Jennifer Brennan coming on

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Speaker 1: at seven am. She's a great plants woman from Chicago.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about all kinds of great new

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Speaker 1: plants and breeders and things that are going on. And

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Speaker 1: then at eight o'clock we've got Mike Berkeley, our friend, our.

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Speaker 2: Mutual Frank is a great plantsman, yeah, and a character.

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Speaker 2: He is a character character, and I describe him as

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Speaker 2: a likely candidate for.

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Speaker 1: Nicest man in the world. Absolutely. Yeah, he's just a good,

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Speaker 1: good guy. He's, as he describes it, he's been involved

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Speaker 1: with native plants long before they were cool. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: uh so he brings all that experience and insight and

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Speaker 1: all of that. So that'll be a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've always found it to be a wealth of

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Speaker 2: information and we've we've learned a lot from him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you introducing you. Now, you do work

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Speaker 1: at the zoo, you well, you kind of work at

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Speaker 1: the zoo. You're an employee. Yeah, the satellite office out

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Speaker 1: at the Boyer Farm, which is where we have our

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Speaker 1: native plant program which you run, and the restored wetland,

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Speaker 1: the plant sales that we have, all of that. You're

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Speaker 1: a border basically a naturalist world traveler. Have you been

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Speaker 1: to every continent yet?

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Speaker 2: No? My Antarctica trip is canceled during COVID, but seven so.

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Speaker 1: Far, six of seven. So you got to get that

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Speaker 1: And we uh and we're we're enemies. We're going to

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Speaker 1: try to keep it together for three hours here, and

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Speaker 1: we can do that in our capability. They wrote on

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Speaker 1: Facebook yesterday that two will go in and one will

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Speaker 1: come out, and I'm not sure maybe neither of us

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Speaker 1: come out. I don't know, we'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: We want to welcome everybody to the show today. Welcome

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Speaker 1: everybody at the Facebook group in the Garden. You can

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Speaker 1: join that fun too. Go on Facebook look for in

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Speaker 1: the Garden and find Ron rothis and friends there following

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Speaker 1: the show along and Brian, there's something I like to

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Speaker 1: do every week just to get get things rolling. And

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Speaker 1: then that is our national days of So we go

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Speaker 1: through the national what the national month is, you know, April,

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Speaker 1: and then the week and then the days, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: it leads to some decent horticultural discussion. Sometimes it's just

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Speaker 1: kind of fun and sometimes just remarkably stupid. And so

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Speaker 1: we've been through the month a couple of times now

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Speaker 1: and so I'll just fly through that. It's Landscape Architecture Month,

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Speaker 1: Pecan Pecan month. How do you say it? Pecan Pecan?

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Speaker 1: Or north of the Ohio we say Pecan. Canine Fitness Month.

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Speaker 1: Walk your dog, get it out there, Go take it

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Speaker 1: to a public garden that allows dogs, keep it on

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Speaker 1: a leash and give it some exercise. Straw Hat month,

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Speaker 1: do you ever wear a straw hat? Never? Never mean either.

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Speaker 1: Garden Month, It's National Garden month that makes sense. It's

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Speaker 1: a good month for it, Lawn and Garden Month, Keep

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Speaker 1: America Beautiful month, and a resolution before Congress from our

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Speaker 1: friend Nancy Lynz. She is trying very hard to have

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Speaker 1: Congress resolve I guess is the word April as the

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Speaker 1: Native Plant Month, which makes a lot of sense. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of great information on that on the website

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Speaker 1: Nativeplant Month dot org. And they're looking for support to

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Speaker 1: get that through Congress. And a very worthy cause and

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Speaker 1: a very very wonderful woman, Nancy Lynz. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: the third week of April. At what do we got here?

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Speaker 1: We got National Volunteer Week. Where would we be at

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Speaker 1: or without our volunteers. So, you know, you want to

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Speaker 1: learn a lot about gardening. Surely there's some botanical garden nearby.

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Speaker 1: See about volunteering for them. It's a great opportunity.

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Speaker 2: We use a lot of master gardeners and actually just

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Speaker 2: out at Boyer Farm, we have a crew of fifty

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Speaker 2: never do accomplish what we've we've done out there.

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Speaker 1: National Library Week, National coin Week. You have a coin collection,

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Speaker 1: nothing anymore? Got there. I did look at the time,

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Speaker 1: and eventually you got broken. You supent it? National Organizer

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Speaker 1: Files Week. I started to do that a little bit yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I am so far behind. It's it's an endless task.

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Speaker 1: It's an impossible test, but I keep trying. Today April eleventh, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: National Submarine Day. That's interesting. National Cheese Fondue Day. I

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Speaker 1: remember that there there was a trend for that. My

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Speaker 1: parents all of a sudden, we're going to fondue parties,

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Speaker 1: still doing fondue. National Pet Day, National eight track Tape Day.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember eight track tape? Do remember track led

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Speaker 1: Zeppelin in the car with Jensen three Ways sliding along

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Speaker 1: the back window. What do you call that? Windows sill

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Speaker 1: or whatever? National Barbershop Quartet Day. You're a music lover,

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Speaker 1: I will go with the Day of Silence Day, which

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Speaker 1: is also today Tomorrow Sunday, the twelfth National Only Child

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Speaker 1: Day for Twelve's Day, So celebrate twelve eggs, twelve roses,

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Speaker 1: twelve pastries. Famous football players or sports athletes, Terry Bradshaw,

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Speaker 1: John Stockton, Jim Kelly, Dwight, Howard Moore, We're all number twelves.

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Speaker 1: Grilled Cheese Day. Record store Day. You doing the album

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Speaker 1: thing the vinyl Actually I'm getting back to me too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It just it just has a I don't know, warmer sound,

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Speaker 1: just not as harsh somehow. Monday make Lunch count Day.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how you do that, but make

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Speaker 1: sure you make your lunch count Peach Cobbler Day again.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Brian, I am learning through these months,

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Speaker 1: days of the month, things that the the bake lobby

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a conspiracy going on. If you get yeah,

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Speaker 1: Peach Cobbler Day, you've got some pool. Yeah. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: Thomas and Thomas Jefferson's birthday from what was that seventeen

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Speaker 1: forty three Great Gardener Scrabble Day on Monday Tuesday Gardening Day.

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Speaker 1: There are multiple gardening days. I don't know how these got,

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Speaker 1: to garden Dolphin Day. Look up at the sky day,

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Speaker 1: So sometime during Tuesday, just look up at the sky

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Speaker 1: day or night, doesn't matter. Ex Spouse Day that could

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Speaker 1: be fun or fraught with danger. And also reach as

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Speaker 1: high as you can day. So while you're looking at

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Speaker 1: how that works out. Wednesday, April fifteenth, Jackie Robinson Day,

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Speaker 1: Laundry Day. Laundry Day. That's once a week anyway, all right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I bet yeah, Purple Update whatever that means, Glaize spiral

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Speaker 1: on to on Wednesday, rubber eraser Day, take a while,

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Speaker 1: guest Day, and tax Day? Have you done your taxes?

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Speaker 1: Me too. Finally, it was like Saturday last week, Thursday,

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Speaker 1: April sixteenth being counter day, the day after tax Day.

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Speaker 1: How about that makes a little sense where your pajamas

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Speaker 1: to workday. No horticulturist in the world is going to

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Speaker 1: And if you're in the business world, get to know

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Speaker 1: your customer's day every third Thursday of every quarter, so

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Speaker 1: make this phone calls. Talk to your customers. Friday high

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Speaker 1: five day, Crawfish Day. You a craw fish, a connoisseur.

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Speaker 2: much work for a that one more soul. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: agree with you. Clean out your medicine. Can the day

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Speaker 2: cheese ball day? That kind of falls back to the

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Speaker 2: seventies too a little bit, I think, yes. And it's

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Speaker 2: also Haiku poetry Day. And I wrote a haiku. You

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Speaker 1: Yes? This Friday, my friends, I'll forget it yet once more.

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Speaker 1: Haiku Day drifts by is that profound? That is? That's

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Speaker 1: a pretty good haiku. That was my first haiku. I

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Why don't we go ahead and take

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Speaker 1: our first break. We'll come back and we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: some favorite plants. You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott

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Speaker 1: You are listening to That's Garden of Scott Berlin. I'm

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Speaker 1: here with my friend me Brian George from the Cincinnai

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Speaker 1: Botanical Garden and Zoo. And uh, Brian, you want to

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Speaker 2: Right now, right now is a great time, and foam

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Speaker 2: flower is certainly one of my favorites. Cirella just the

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Speaker 2: The plant that we really like to work with is trillium,

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Speaker 2: Yes, But trillium right now are really coming in grand

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to let's Gary what Scott Berline.

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Speaker 2: It provides homes, you know, for woodpeckers and nuthatches and all.

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Speaker 1: The other stuff.

430
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Speaker 2: So yes, all of that, so I would definitely say

431
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Speaker 2: that oaks certainly should fit in that plant. Now, if

432
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Speaker 2: you don't have room for that, then you can go

433
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Speaker 2: to the next tier of woody plants. And if certainly

434
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Speaker 2: you can even get speci you know, do you want

435
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: to have more hummingbirds, which is more you know, plant

436
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: the little lobelia and anything with that larger Yeah, with

437
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: that larger corolla on it, that longer trumpet, and then

438
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: you can even go goldfinches and you know, certainly seeds

439
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 2: I always think seeds for goldfinches. Is that, yes, Yeah,

440
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: son flowers probably one of the primaries, and we had.

441
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: That's a summer flower and that's when seed is plentiful. Yes,

442
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: they're showing up. Now are they feeding on last year's

443
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: seed or is there everything?

444
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: It depends on the species. We do bird banding out

445
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: the farm and one of the one year our primary

446
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: species was yellow rumps warbler, which if you're an older birder,

447
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: butter butts, but for myrtle warblers, yellow rumps. We had

448
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: our we had poison ivy in one part of the

449
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 2: area there and as soon as that went into fruit,

450
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 2: every myrtle warbler in the region was just absolutely so

451
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: every gardener should plant poison ivy just the thought, you know,

452
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: if you have a back forty, yeah, let it go.

453
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: You know, yes, a very important species for wildlife. Yep.

454
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: But yeah there's you certainly got flowering dogwood, and the

455
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: fruit on that I think is eaten by somebody counted

456
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen species at one point.

457
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Speaker 1: All I know is it doesn't last. Yes, it's gone.

458
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: But Mother nature takes care of that because if you plant,

459
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: if you've ever closely watched hawthorn grete fruits that hangs

460
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: on October November December. Now when you get into January,

461
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: if you have a really really cold, good cold snap

462
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: and that temperature really drops, the fruit is essentially unpalatable

463
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: to birds until very late winter. Yeah, those cold temperatures

464
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: break down the alkaloids, and then all of a sudden,

465
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: one day in that cold snap, that plant is now

466
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: available to the species. It's kind of like Mother's nature's

467
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: way of you know, if everything tasted good, they'd wipe

468
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: everything out early in the season and nothing would persist.

469
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: So this is a way of preserving food for them

470
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: later in the season, and then January when they need

471
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: it most, now it becomes available to them.

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Speaker 1: So I noticed that with the Louisa crabapple I had

473
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Speaker 1: for many years. It's the fruit would hang and hang

474
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: and hang, which is why it's ornamental. You know, that's

475
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Speaker 1: why you as a garden plant, you want it. It's

476
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Speaker 1: giving you color through winter. And then there was always

477
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Speaker 1: one day, usually in March, when at that time it

478
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: was starling's would descend upon it and.

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00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: Strip it completely. Yeah, and there'd be starling poop all

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Speaker 2: over my car.

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00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, that it fermented or ripened or frozen thought,

482
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Speaker 1: whatever it was, it was that one day and it

483
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: didn't last more than a day.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly, as far as providing cover, evergreens. Red cedar

485
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: is integral and a lot of species.

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Speaker 1: This is the species you see along freeways.

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Speaker 2: And it needs a lot more love than I think

488
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: it currently gets in the gardening community.

489
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: Yes, it does, mostly because I think we see a

490
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Speaker 1: long freeways and take it for granted.

491
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Speaker 2: I think when you see yeah growing in those really,

492
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: really tough areas, you're trying to dismiss it as a

493
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: scrub plant. But it does have a wonderful texture, and

494
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: I think if it wasn't as common and we didn't

495
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: see it so often, it would be it would be

496
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Speaker 2: highly sought after.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: But for us out on the farm, the that is

499
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: our only true evergreen, and with that we found ol

500
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Speaker 2: populations in there. We get saltwet owls this winter when

501
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: it gets cold like this year we get down to

502
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: you know, minus eight minus ten out there and the

503
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: winds blowing. That is the most important plant in the

504
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Speaker 2: landscape and you need those evergreens just to get those

505
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Speaker 2: birds through those those extremely bitter nights.

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Speaker 1: Is that a favorite of cedar waxwings? Is that part

507
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Speaker 1: of the name there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cedar waxwings will feed on a lot. I've actually

509
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: seen them feeding on hackberry fruit. Oh yeah, quite a bit,

510
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: and they'll just come in and it's kind of a

511
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: nomadic flock to kind of move around in loose flocks

512
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: and if you can hear it, it's an extremely high pitch.

513
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: But they love mulberries. I've seen them. I did see

514
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Speaker 2: them meet fermented mulberries one time. I had to stand

515
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: around and wait for them to sleep it off because

516
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: any kind of neighborhood would come over, because it is

517
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: true the bird brain because eyes bird's eyes are bigger

518
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: than their brain. So it doesn't take a whole lot

519
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: of fermented fruit to get them a little loopy.

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00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: But I would I would prefer to actually see on

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Speaker 1: the next morning. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then certainly the viburnums. You got airwood viburnum, which

523
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: is a great the structure of the plant is great

524
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Speaker 2: for nesting, but then it also produces flowers for pollinators,

525
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: and then it produces the fruit as well, so you

526
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: get that multi purpose from the plant. So you really

527
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: making sure that when you do select, because everybody's garden

528
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: space is finite, and when you put something in there,

529
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Speaker 2: make sure it's it's producing in four or five different casategories.

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00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: Rather than saying it looks beautiful and flour for two

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Speaker 2: weeks and then the rest of the year you're not

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00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: getting any benefit.

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Speaker 1: That's part of why I say we need more gardeners.

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00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: You know, we need to inspire more gardeners everywhere. If

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Speaker 1: every you know, if ten more people in a given

536
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: neighborhood put in a diverse garden and then there's a

537
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Speaker 1: diversity of gardeners on top of that that love different things,

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00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: then we're creating a good, broader, better ecosystem. Yeah.

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00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: And like you say, diversity is the key, because if

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00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: everybody planted the same thing, the seed, the fruit, the

541
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: flower is ready during you know this this two week period,

542
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: well what's going to carry you through? And certainly with

543
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: butterflies right now we're talking milkweeds and really pushing that hard.

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00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: You also need to have those late season flowers because

545
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: when when a monarch is flying from Nova Scotia to

546
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: Mexico and it's coming through in October, it can't spend

547
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: a lot of time looking for nectar sources. And if

548
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: everybody had late season like Helianthus things like that which

549
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: are blooming later, it can fuel that flight as that

550
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: migration continues. Well, aside from oaks.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the other the better plants that

552
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Speaker 1: you could put in your garden for caterpillars.

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Speaker 2: I would go with cherries. You have a fair amount

554
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: of variety. They're certainly black cherry. I think it gets

555
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: overlooked because people tend to look for more of the

556
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: Asian species, which are a little more floriferous, little a

557
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: little more flower prettier.

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00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: A little sturdier. Sometimes. No, I mean they're all pretty unstird.

559
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah there, but we're finding out now, especially with you know,

560
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: Doug Tyleomy and everything, promoting a lot of these there

561
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: is a huge interest and they're not finding a lot

562
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: of those plants in the industry. So we grew several

563
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: hundred and immediately they were gone because people found that

564
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Speaker 2: you them, Yeah, and they're not planning it for the flower.

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00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: People are now. Look, they're approaching plants differently and they're saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, the flower is nice, but the recently planting

567
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: is is to fuel the pollinators, which fuel.

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Speaker 1: Two other plants along those lines. One is hackberry, which

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Speaker 1: nobody really wants to plant. There are some varieties coming

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00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: out they have better form and don't get the nipplegall

571
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: on the leaves and things like that.

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00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 2: So that's something maybe we can look at in the future.

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Speaker 2: For you know, shade trees as far as the back

574
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Speaker 2: forty hackberries leave them.

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Speaker 1: Man, they're great for that. And then plants like pipe vine,

576
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: which is massive vine that is not going to work

577
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: in a lot of gardens, but where it can work,

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00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: we should absolutely try to get it in there. For

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Speaker 1: the pipe fine swallowtail.

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Speaker 2: We've we've found exactly that we've grown that in big

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Speaker 2: numbers and the amount of caterpillars from the pipeline swallowtail

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Speaker 2: on there is just in a nursery pot, just in

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Speaker 2: a nursery pot, which tells me we need more of

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00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: these plants out into the landscape. So it is amazing

585
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Speaker 2: the amount of larvae that those plants will actually produce.

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Speaker 2: So that is I think every one of our volunteers

587
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: has purchased one and taking they've seen the benefit right there,

588
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: so they take it home and then we're able to

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00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: do that. But I would love to take it out

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00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: and just plan up a good part of the woodland

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00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: and just have it a quarter acre of just pipe

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Speaker 2: fine and really try to Yeah, I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Let's Guard with Scott Berline eight

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Speaker 1: hundred eight two three eighty two twenty five. I'm here

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Speaker 1: with Brian Jorg my cohort at the Cincinnan Potanical Garden

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Speaker 1: and Zoo, and we're talking about providing for birds in particular,

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Speaker 1: but basically wildlife in general. And we were just talking

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Speaker 1: about what was it aristolochia or pipe vine pipeline, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to mention we have a couple at the

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Speaker 1: zoo itself, and one is pretty cool because it climbs

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Speaker 1: up into pine trees and it's probably good forty feet

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Speaker 1: up into the trees and below it is what we

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Speaker 1: call the butterfly garden, full of summertime blooming perennials, and

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Speaker 1: it is fun during a certain week. I wish I

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Speaker 1: knew which week it was, but sometime in the summertime

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Speaker 1: when the pipevine swallowtails are mating, to watch them fly

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Speaker 1: up into the trees, mate, lay eggs, whatever they're doing

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Speaker 1: up there, and then come down and feeding on the flowers.

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Speaker 1: It's really really a special time. Yes, well, what else

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Speaker 1: are we going to talk about here? We've got well,

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00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: the caterpillar providers, hackberry, cherries, oaks, yep.

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Speaker 2: And then you can even do more specific when you

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Speaker 2: start looking at Paul Paul and I think Paul Paul

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Speaker 2: is one of those trees that you can fit one

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Speaker 2: in every garden. It's a nice small tree. It's almost

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00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: a perfect small tree. It is the perfect small tree.

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00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: When you see it in the wild, it's typically a

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00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: scraggly it's it's stretching because it's growing in a lot

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00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: of shade. It'll be as big as your thumb, but

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00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: yet twenty foot tall. But when you pull that out

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Speaker 2: into a cultivated situation and in your garden and immediately

644
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: develops a beautiful rounded shape.

645
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Speaker 1: I have found if you nick, you hit the roots,

646
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: it will sucker. Yes, And so that that's something you

647
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: want to watch. Either need to cut the suckers or

648
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: allow it to form a colony.

649
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on whether you're a formal gardener or

650
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: whether you're much more naturalized.

651
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

652
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: We have them in both forms out at the out

653
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: at Boyer where it's one of them is a thicket

654
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: and it is just a massive mix. Now to get

655
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: the fruit you have to have two different unrelated plants.

656
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 2: So basically anything planted from seed and we grow over seas.

657
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: Everything is unrelated and then you'll get that fruit to develop.

658
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: Now you have to beat the raccoons to it. But

659
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: it's a short window. It is a short window. And

660
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: I think that's the problem that's kept it from becoming

661
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: much more commercial crop is because the fact that it

662
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: is such a short window of going from you know,

663
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: is it ripening?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I'll tell you what. We have quite

665
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: a few of the Paull polls in our yard. Actually

666
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: I planted them in my neighbor's yard there. You know,

667
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: you put a fresh Pall Paul on the countertop in

668
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: the morning.

669
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Speaker 2: And you can watch it right there.

670
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: You come home at night and the smell of overripe

671
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Paul Paul will just overwhelm you. But and it's an

672
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: acquired taste. I think some people love them, some people,

673
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: you know, For me, two or.

674
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: Three a year is enough. And the great thing about

675
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: it is it's specific for the zebra swallowtail, which we

676
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: saw our first one yesterday. I saw some just the

677
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: other day myself. And when you grow them in in

678
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: production and you have a block of them and there

679
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: might be you know, five hundred block. It looks like

680
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: a string trimmer went through there because the pipeline swallow

681
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: tails will absolutely just massive amounts of eggs on there.

682
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: But the cool thing is, in the past, people would

683
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: be going, you know, there's something, you know, spray it.

684
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: Some got to some eat my plant. Something's gotta die.

685
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: And now we've noticed that when people come in they

686
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: actually will search those plants out. Particularly they like buying it,

687
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: and it's already preceded with with the two you get there.

688
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: So it's really neat to see that we're turning a

689
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: corner on that where people are seeing that something feeding

690
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: on that is not necessarily you know, the first knee

691
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 2: jerk reaction is, you know, I got to get it sprayed.

692
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: But I think we're coming around in that respect, and

693
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: certainly Paul Paul has increased in popularity and you're seeing

694
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: a lot more gardens out there.

695
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: What are some of the best plants for quality seed

696
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: for birds?

697
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: I like, I think anything at a lot of the

698
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: prairie plants. So when you start looking at Rudbeccia, the

699
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: black eyed Susans, that whole complex of plants, purple cone flower,

700
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: the echinasia, they're very Liatrius is one that does. And

701
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: again Lyatris, we we've only grown Specata the swamp gave

702
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: for forever. Yes, and we're finding out that you know, hey,

703
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: there's a whole complator's twelve species said in the upper

704
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: Midwest here, So why aren't we growing those? Because you

705
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: have some that are grow in drier situations, you'll have

706
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: some that are taller. You don't get don't get away

707
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: much from the magenta color, but you have if you're

708
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: dry or wet, you can you can you can select

709
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: the species that will do quite well.

710
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: Profess the best in your garden?

711
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: Is it Liatrius aspera with the really cool buds? I

712
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: like Aspra Certainly squarerosa is one of my favorites. Instead

713
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: of the bottle brush, it's more of a button type,

714
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: so it's structurally it's a little different. And if you

715
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: can get that backlit with the seed on it, they're

716
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: taller plants. Yeah, it can really really add an element,

717
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: textual element to the garden. What's the common name on

718
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: lantris generally speaking of gay feather, Yeah, yeah, there's a

719
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: number of ok.

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00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: Okay, what about seeds on solid ago? A lot of attention.

721
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 1: It's been thrown on golden rods.

722
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: Lately, seeds are okay, but I found that pollinators just

723
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: the diversity. So when that plant is in, when the

724
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: nectaries are open and it's actually producing, I've seen more

725
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: diversity on that than some remarkable thing it is. And

726
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: I think the problem is there's what one hundred and

727
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: seventy species in the Eastern US. There's a lot of

728
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: garden thugs in there that people would.

729
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: Not be happy with.

730
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's selecting the proper species, and we've tested

731
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 2: them and we've come up with a handful that actually

732
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: do quite well.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, maybe three, we had Sam Hoadley from

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Speaker 1: Mount Cuba Center and they just came out with their

735
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: golden Rod Report, which is online Maltcubacenter dot org and

736
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: find it, and that went through many of the different

737
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: species and if it had some great results on different

738
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: golden rods that are are really good for gardens, a

739
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: couple that we grow out at the Boyer Farm that

740
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: aren't readily available, but a group of plants that garden

741
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: centers should grab onto and really get out there into gardens.

742
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Speaker 1: Time for another break, Brian. When we come back, Jennifer

743
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Speaker 1: Brennan will be here. You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott.

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Speaker 1: Berline said he as not