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Speaker 3: Just telling you it's a terrible situation. The people that

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Speaker 3: The same thing, turnover after turnover after turnover. They don't Hey,

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Speaker 4: Hey, we do what we're supposed to. We're supposed to

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Speaker 4: I know them. They're not allowed to do their job.

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Speaker 3: Hey, the word is don't go there. You get turned

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Speaker 1: Let me give a little story about Judge Josh Berkowitz

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Speaker 2: We had to build another jail.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't Charmaine mcguffey's fault because she doesn't sendence

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Speaker 1: And so when you have two to three one hundred

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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, the city is known for that right now.

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Speaker 3: It's really sad. And again that's who these people elect,

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Speaker 4: They give them happy talk, Hey, we're going to fix it.

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Speaker 3: They'll get some person that's been fired from some other

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Speaker 3: When you were in college, you didn't pick the hard

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Speaker 3: you don't have to do but one term paper. They

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Speaker 4: They're liberal.

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Speaker 3: That's who you picked. When you were in college. You

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Speaker 3: didn't pick the hardest one. Same with the judges they picked.

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Speaker 3: They judge shop. It's not rocket science, but the system

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Speaker 3: is so broke. The mayor, the city council, the city

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Speaker 3: Butler County, we're so fortunate. We're a thirty minute drive

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Speaker 3: We got jails, we got judges, prosecutors, good police departments,

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Speaker 3: and we run it here. That's why people want to

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Speaker 3: how if we were like Cincinnati, we would have the

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Speaker 1: If you've been accused of the social activist online that

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Speaker 1: you are monetizing and making money off illegals, can you

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Speaker 1: tell the American people how much money the Feds are

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Speaker 1: paying you in Butler County to house inmates in the

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Speaker 3: Hey, we're going to bring in twenty two million next year.

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Speaker 3: In the last twenty twenty years we bought in over

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Speaker 3: do we get paid to bring prisoners here? Sure we do.

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Speaker 3: We don't do it for free. We work with ICE.

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Speaker 3: We lock people up. The ICE goes with us. We

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Speaker 4: We go out with them to assist them. And we

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Speaker 3: We don't let them throw rocks at the police here.

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Speaker 3: We don't let them spit on the police here. You

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Speaker 4: Come to jail.

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Speaker 3: You throw a rock at us or a brick, you're

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Speaker 3: liable to get shot. So and if you jump in

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Speaker 3: they'll probably run over you. That's what happens. That's the difference.

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Speaker 3: It's the difference there. Thirty minute drive and do we

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Speaker 3: keep our communities. Yes, we've probably arrested a hunt probably

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Speaker 3: Arrested one hundred and fifty illegals Aaron, Butler County.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know, sounds to me like you're monetizing the

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Speaker 1: misery of others. According to the social activists, they don't

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Speaker 1: like the idea that you're housing these criminals. Claremont County

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Speaker 1: it's housing individuals that are they're not with you long

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Speaker 4: Out three weeks.

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Speaker 3: That's how long they stay because there is no federal

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Speaker 4: And we're doing our part. Seventy eight percent of America.

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Speaker 3: Once these people shipped out, that's who they voted for.

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Speaker 3: Democrat and Republican. And the activists that come here don't

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Speaker 3: want you to make any arrest. But listen, they're here.

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Speaker 3: They're here illegally. I've seen something today. I haven't verified

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Speaker 3: it that fifty million illegals that are in the United States,

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Speaker 3: and so trying. The Democrats are trying to get it

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Speaker 1: Thirty seconds remaining. How long would it take Sheriff First

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Speaker 1: Richard K. Jones to clean up the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I said six months earlier. I could do it

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Speaker 3: police would love me. All law enforcement would love me.

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Speaker 3: I would get with the judges, I'd get with the prosecutor,

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Speaker 3: do the best I can. We would make a rest.

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Speaker 3: We would flood the courts, and we'd run people off

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Speaker 3: them off, juveniles.

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Speaker 2: Everything would be over.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to maybe the city manager. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna see if I get you appointed the interim police chief.

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Speaker 2: Would you like that?

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Speaker 4: Hey? For three months and a contract and.

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Speaker 3: A cutting fires and we'd have to get with the

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Speaker 3: here as the share well, do both very easily.

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Speaker 1: Richard K. Jones, you're the best there is. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on the Bill Cunningham Shaw. I'm gona start promoting

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Speaker 4: Hey, the police would allow it.

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Speaker 1: Got sheriff, thank you, the chief of Police, Richard K. Jones,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. See here, Matt, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: continue with more now that would be something to cover

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Speaker 5: Rising downtown violence and political pressure have catalyzed the chaos

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Speaker 5: regarding the Cincinnati police chief. While the interim chief steadies

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Speaker 5: the ship will community leaders turn to a tried and

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Speaker 5: true veteran to become police chief permanently, or will a

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Speaker 5: fresh face rise from within the ranks to restore calm

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Speaker 5: and credibility. As speculation is swirling, keep it here for

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Speaker 5: the latest on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: You know what your customers are doing right this second,

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Speaker 1: the exact same thing you are listening to.