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Speaker 1: I know one specific person that does celebrate that. As

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Speaker 1: we head out to our KWI Commas Spirit Heal Highline

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Speaker 1: and bring on color analysts for your Denver Broncos, Rick

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Speaker 1: Lewis L Rick. I was told to pass along a

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Speaker 1: very important piece of information from the guy that shares

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Speaker 1: the booth with you, you know, Dave Logan, And he

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Speaker 1: said that to remind you that you call games for

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Speaker 1: the Broncos and then you can't fanboy out every time

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Speaker 1: cam Scataboo does something in the game. That was his

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Speaker 1: suggestion or comments or whatever. How are you man waits.

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Speaker 2: Cam SCOUTA who who are we talking about here? I

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Speaker 2: haven't reached regulous.

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Speaker 3: At camscantibofan five hotmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's good advice from Dave Logan, and I can

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Speaker 2: assure you and everybody listening on Sunday that I will

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Speaker 2: be a total pro broadcasting the game. You know Dave Logan,

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Speaker 2: who I learned a lot from Dave over the years

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Speaker 2: about broadcasting. And you know, it seems like a couple

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Speaker 2: times a year there's a kid or a former kid,

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Speaker 2: the NFL, and Dave will just kind of mention him

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Speaker 2: one time that he coached him in high school.

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Speaker 4: That's about it.

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Speaker 2: Dave never fan boys over like JK. Mullins. For instance,

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Speaker 2: we just played a couple of weeks ago, and so

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Speaker 2: I can assure you and everybody in Broncos country I

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Speaker 5: Never never done my mind.

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Speaker 3: I was not a denial that you won't be rooting

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Speaker 3: openly for scams. Got ball on the air, Rick, I

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Speaker 3: got to pin you down on this.

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Speaker 2: I'm a bigger Broncos fan than I am a Cam

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what. When we went back.

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Speaker 2: To Detroit a couple of years ago, and as you

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Speaker 2: But I still wanted the Broncos to win that game

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Speaker 5: I could attest to that I was there with you.

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Speaker 4: That's right, you were out there too.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Camp Scataboo is an easy guy to be

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Speaker 2: a fan of. Uh, He's already become the talk of

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Speaker 4: Very interesting character.

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Speaker 2: Uh and the Broncos will have to be careful with

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Speaker 2: him because you need to wrap up and tackle camp Scataboo.

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Speaker 2: He will wear defenses down running the ball, That's what

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Speaker 2: he does. And so I'm really looking forward to like

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Speaker 2: Hufunga meeting Skataboo in the gap, Now, that's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be much must watch TV and must listen

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Speaker 3: Would you say that Scatibo versus Hufunga or a Koye

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Speaker 2: Man, a Koye at water, that is classic. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if anybody's gonna top that one. That that that

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Speaker 2: would be fun to watch those two guys with Funga

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Speaker 2: is not easy to do. Most of his yards that

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Speaker 2: he's gained this year are after contact, believe it or not.

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Speaker 2: Most of the yards he has this season are after contact,

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Speaker 2: so that kind of says everything you need to know

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Speaker 1: He's been a lot of fun, so is Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: again that the vibes, the vibes for the Giants are

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Speaker 1: you saw Jonathan Cooper's comments on Jackson Dart if you had,

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Speaker 1: Giants fans are very upset about this, Rick. What do

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Speaker 2: I actually had to go and google Jackson Dark chain

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Speaker 4: And I don't get it. I don't know why you

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Speaker 4: In that chain, he's wearing way cooler. I'm just saying, as.

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Speaker 1: Somebody that used to wear a puckashell shell necklace.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about, the metal ball necklace they all had.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really, I mean seriously, the pukashell necklace would be

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Speaker 2: a much better choice for Jackson Dark just saying, hey.

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Speaker 5: Listen, you're you're the guy I go to for those

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Speaker 3: You know, the Giants do have something of a spark

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Speaker 3: on that offense though, the creteen Cowboys there are Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 4: Oh, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: These guys have energized the entire franchise and to get

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this last night when I was on Broncos

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Speaker 2: done some good things. He's mostly been doing good things

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he did have a lot of turnovers. They had

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Speaker 1: once again, the teams that they've played now, they did

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Speaker 1: Nobody's taking that away. But I agree with you in

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Speaker 5: Really that good? Or is it more your takeaway that

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Speaker 4: I think a combination of the two.

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Speaker 2: And also, man Aaron Glenn as an NFL head coach,

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Speaker 2: I know he's on the hot seat already.

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Speaker 4: He made some major.

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Speaker 2: Mistakes I thought in that game, and still the Jets

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're an Owen six football team, So they're really bad.

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Speaker 2: And the Broncos are really good. We know that, especially

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Speaker 2: It just never felt like that because the Jets were

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Speaker 3: It ended up being a close game. The Broncos worked

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton goes back to bad habits that he has

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to see them get back to running

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're inconsistent.

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Speaker 2: On offense, guys, but this defense is badass, and this

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Speaker 5: Well, I agree with you on that.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that bears watching and the last thing

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Speaker 1: us again. It's cam Scattibo week. I would expect nothing less. However,

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Speaker 3: I fully expect Rick to if scatabol rips went off,

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, I think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I already know one of the players

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Speaker 4: Man, all right, love you guys. Always good to be

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app. We'll get deeper into the Broncos offense and

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Speaker 1: I think there's something too momentum. I think there's something

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Speaker 1: Do you think the Broncos make a move of the deadline?

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Speaker 3: Well, Berks, Yeah, he signed to the Commander's practice squad.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think that they're I don't think they

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Speaker 1: I had a little bit of a mini rant yesterday

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Speaker 1: But more than anything here, it's to say that if

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Speaker 5: So you're gonna have to do that. And I'd say that.

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Speaker 1: Whether you were contending or if you thought you might

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Speaker 3: But they yeah, then, so you know they've made some calls,

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Speaker 5: Who are you sitting down?

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Speaker 3: You're not bringing Olave or Garrett Wilson in because you're

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Speaker 5: Now you got to have a role for these guys.

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Speaker 5: And it just doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: So there's things about that that you know from social

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Speaker 3: He'd been on life support since he he'd fallen down

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Speaker 3: trying to do guitar or whatever, and like I'm sitting

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Speaker 3: there trying to write it out.

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Speaker 5: My buddy's over here, like, no, here, its damned the best.

439
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Speaker 1: Honestly, But if it's fun and then and then you

440
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Speaker 1: also get a chance to sort of train your ear

441
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Speaker 1: because you can see it, and then you can also

442
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Speaker 1: listen to it, and then you can play along. And

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Speaker 1: so I kind of would do a little bit of both,

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Speaker 1: you know. Sometimes I listen to that too. Yeah, pick

445
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Speaker 1: it up by ear but yeah, but you know whatever,

446
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Speaker 1: But that's very unfortunate there with as freely passing away

447
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Speaker 1: at the age of seventy four. Of course, if there's

448
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Speaker 1: anything else that comes over the next couple of hours,

449
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Speaker 1: we'll tell you more about that. Broncos country tonight coming

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Speaker 1: up at the top, or sorry, six o'clock coming up

451
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Speaker 1: a little later on.

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Speaker 5: All right, So, a couple of things I wanted to

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Speaker 5: get into. Do you want to get into a conversation.

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Speaker 1: About the playoff standings and kind of where the Broncos

455
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Speaker 1: are settled in on that.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we'll do that after five o'clock.

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Speaker 1: I want to come back to our discussion earlier about

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Speaker 1: the Broncos playing a tempo.

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Speaker 5: And I mentioned the stat that our guide Ni Cosmidor.

460
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Speaker 1: From The Athletic had put out there that the Broncos

461
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Speaker 1: are through six games, the eighth best as far as

462
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Speaker 1: EPA goes per snap when operating without a huddle. The

463
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Speaker 1: sample sizes he puts it as small as just thirty

464
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Speaker 1: nine plays as well, short of the league leading Washington

465
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Speaker 1: Commanders with are two hundred and seventeen no huddle snaps.

466
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Speaker 1: Committier's quarterback Jacan Daniels has said he likes operating a

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Speaker 1: tempo because it allows him to get into better rhythm

468
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Speaker 1: of identifying favorable matchups well giving defenses less time to adjust. Now.

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Speaker 1: Bo Nicks has also said similar things. In fact, he

470
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Speaker 1: even talked a little bit about it this week.

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Speaker 8: I just like it because it gets the defense off balance.

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Speaker 8: They you know, don't have many calls that they can

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Speaker 8: get to when you go quick. And we just played

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Speaker 8: well from you know, quick game and getting to the ball,

475
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Speaker 8: seeing what they're in, just final answers and going I

476
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Speaker 8: think it's just tough on defense, is always has been.

477
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Speaker 8: I think that's the biggest reason is because the limit

478
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Speaker 8: is what a defense can do. You know, you're more

479
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Speaker 8: attacking them, letting them you know, sit back and attack you.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's worked well when.

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Speaker 8: We've done it, and you know so I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 8: continue to do it.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you this really quick.

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Speaker 1: There is something about younger quarterbacks coming into the league

485
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Speaker 1: that like doing this, and maybe that's.

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Speaker 5: Just because the college game does a lot more up tempo.

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Speaker 3: You've come up on it ever since Guss Melza wrote

488
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Speaker 3: the Hurry Up, No Huddle book back in the late

489
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Speaker 3: nineties early two thousands, I mean, young quarter your coaches

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Speaker 3: took that. In fact, if it were me and I

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Speaker 3: were running the Broncos offense, if we got a first down,

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Speaker 3: all first and second down, we would run no huddle

493
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Speaker 3: or sugar huddle at best and try to catch him nap.

494
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Speaker 3: But we'd have a light and heavy box call and

495
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Speaker 3: we would, I mean, we would absolutely run that in

496
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Speaker 3: an effort to try to catch him napping catch a defense,

497
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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 5: So there's all kinds of advantages to that.

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Speaker 3: And I would tell them, don't snap the ball till

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Speaker 3: there's you know, seven seconds left on the play clock

501
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Speaker 3: or less.

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Speaker 5: But I want you to hurry up there.

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Speaker 3: You need to be in position at seventeen to fifteen

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Speaker 3: seconds and.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna run.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna run sugar or no huddle like that to

507
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Speaker 3: catch defense and stap. But it's an advantage to the offense.

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Speaker 3: There's no disadvantage to it. The thing potentially gassing your

509
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Speaker 3: offensive lineman if you got a huge chunk play, which

510
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Speaker 3: you should run hurry up on a chunk play anyway, Well, no,

511
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Speaker 3: of course not.

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Speaker 5: If you get a first down on first or second down,

513
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Speaker 5: get them up there and get them in the line.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know the third down. Everybody you know

515
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Speaker 3: you're gonna have, you're gonna have. Don't worry about it then.

516
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Speaker 3: But if you get if you get a surprise first

517
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Speaker 3: down on first or second out, go for it.

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Speaker 1: I don't really see the downside if it works for

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Speaker 1: your team. And again, you know, Sean Payton was asked

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Speaker 1: about it a couple of weeks ago and he sort

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Speaker 1: of said that, well, the reason we don't do it

522
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Speaker 1: is because the tires out our defense and so we can't.

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Speaker 5: We can't do it all the time.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if anybody's advocating you do it

525
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Speaker 1: all the time, Just do it more. If you're averaging

526
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Speaker 1: around six snaps per game, double that, and I still

527
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Speaker 1: don't think that it's gonna be enough. But at least

528
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Speaker 1: you're giving some opportunities there. And now maybe you could

529
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Speaker 1: say I'm just spitballing here. You can say, after a

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Speaker 1: first down, hey, we get our initial first down, let's

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Speaker 1: push the tempo and you know what.

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Speaker 5: That that might be kind of the way to approach.

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Speaker 1: It's like, all right, well, until you get that first

534
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Speaker 1: first down, you don't want to be pushing the pace

535
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Speaker 1: yesterday we had Parker Gabriel in studio and he gave

536
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Speaker 1: me a great stat It's around thirty five percent three

537
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Speaker 1: and out rate for this team as a stunning number.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where it ranks. I don't know where

539
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Speaker 1: ranks in the league. Is so not gonna be very

540
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Speaker 1: sick worst in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, no, in picking up first downs, yes, on any

543
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Speaker 3: first down play. Now three and outs, I would say,

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Speaker 3: I would venture to guess that that's that's a little

545
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Speaker 3: bit different. But we were six worst in the league

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Speaker 3: on any on any series of picking us. So you know,

547
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Speaker 3: the only teams that are worse are teams that are bad,

548
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Speaker 3: you know, teams like the Raiders or you know they

549
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Speaker 3: So you don't. You don't want to be where the

550
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Speaker 3: Broncos are with those you know, with those kind of metrics, No,

551
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Speaker 3: you don't. So that also feels bad for the defense.

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Speaker 5: By the way, So.

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Speaker 1: When Sean Payton is out there saying, well, I don't

554
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Speaker 1: want to go up Timple all the time because it's

555
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Speaker 1: gonna be bad for our defense, yeah, I mean yes,

556
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Speaker 1: if you're going up tempo and going three and out,

557
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Speaker 1: yeah that is bad. But three and out in general

558
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Speaker 1: is bad, and if there's any way you can get

559
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Speaker 1: just just kickstart things.

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Speaker 5: And I'd even say this Sunday versus the Giants at altitude.

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Speaker 1: You are back in town, if you're if you're feeling

562
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Speaker 1: fine as far as your conditioning goes, and you're ready

563
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Speaker 1: to go in this game, I would I would get

564
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Speaker 1: out there and get some out in some some tempo

565
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Speaker 1: going against against that defensive front one of the things

566
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Speaker 1: that they do well. It doesn't always work, but getting

567
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Speaker 1: some of those d linemen to go side to side, right,

568
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're trying to get them to run when

569
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Speaker 1: you're running all these screens, there's a there's a purpose

570
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Speaker 1: to it, right, we know that there's It's more than

571
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Speaker 1: just because a lot of times Broncos fans will be

572
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Speaker 1: out there being very frustrated about the Broncos constantly running screens.

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Speaker 5: There's a purpose to it.

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Speaker 1: And even Marvin Mims, I guess told Parker Gabriel that

575
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Speaker 1: they they view that.

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Speaker 5: As an extension of the run game.

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Speaker 1: Right. So I get it, it doesn't always work, but

578
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Speaker 1: I get why. I know why you think that that's

579
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Speaker 1: a good idea. But you still could run tempo in

580
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Speaker 1: all of that, like, you could still do a lot

581
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Speaker 1: of the things that you still want to do, but

582
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Speaker 1: one thing that maybe you will lose a little bit on.

583
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Speaker 5: Is your substitutions. And so then you're going to have to.

584
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Speaker 1: Acknowledge what's more important getting our quarterback in the offense

585
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Speaker 1: a little more comfortable and getting them into rhythm, or

586
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Speaker 1: being able to bring in fifteen different packages of receivers

587
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Speaker 1: and running backs.

588
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Speaker 3: What gets you more points, what gets you more first downs,

589
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Speaker 3: what gets you more yardage?

590
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Speaker 5: What is more successful?

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Speaker 3: And the answer is not what Sean Payton traditionally does

592
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Speaker 3: does period. The evidence is overwhelming, and yet we still

593
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Speaker 3: go back to these archaic ways of doing offense because

594
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Speaker 3: it's what he's always done and what he's comfortable.

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Speaker 1: With, instead of what his quarterback is comfortable with. And

596
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Speaker 1: I'm always going to be irritated by that.

597
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Speaker 3: Your job as a head football coach is to put

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Speaker 3: your guys in the best possible position to win. Is

599
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Speaker 3: to cheat the margins as much as you can so

600
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Speaker 3: that they can be as successful as they can. And

601
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Speaker 3: we have a clear roadmap to doing that, and we

602
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Speaker 3: still manage to not do that.

603
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Speaker 1: Here's Joel Lombardi earlier today talking about seven players in

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Speaker 1: while they're trying to get rhythm, more of the players

605
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Speaker 1: individually trying to get rhythm.

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Speaker 7: I think it's a, you know, game by game situation.

607
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Speaker 7: I don't think we're going to stop with the personnel

608
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Speaker 7: groupings and changing guys in and out. But yeah, I mean,

609
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Speaker 7: everyone's got their strengths and weaknesses, and so you want

610
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Speaker 7: the right guys in the right places, and that's why

611
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Speaker 7: we do it. So but yeah, if you're someone's having

612
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Speaker 7: a good game, you know, quarterbacks, and to keep looking

613
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Speaker 7: at them, you're gonna keep calling their play.

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Speaker 6: So you know, that's kind of how you about it.

615
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Speaker 5: I don't Yeah, I don't even know what to say.

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Speaker 1: You did have a couple of games there where you

617
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Speaker 1: were doing a good job of letting the running backs

618
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Speaker 1: get a little bit of rhythm.

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Speaker 5: Talked about it a lot. I'm not saying we know

620
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Speaker 5: more than.

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Speaker 1: They do, but I'm just saying that that seems to

622
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Speaker 1: work for everybody. The running game looked really good, the

623
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Speaker 1: team looked good offensively, and then you went away from

624
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Speaker 1: that against the Jets.

625
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Speaker 5: Now, there was an interesting moment.

626
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Speaker 1: Here at the very end of the press conference that

627
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Speaker 1: Joe Lombardi was asked about things they did well in

628
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Speaker 1: the first half that they seem to struggle with in

629
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Speaker 1: the second half. Was there something they learned from it.

630
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: Pay attention to what he actually talks about.

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Speaker 7: I think as an offensive coach, when you see your

632
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 7: defense playing as well as our defense was playing on Sunday,

633
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 7: you know, you can get maybe sometimes a little conservative

634
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 7: because you know that the other team's probably not going

635
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 7: to score a lot of points. So you know, maybe

636
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 7: maybe excuse me, maybe we got a little conservative. But

637
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 7: you know, important thing is we won the game. So

638
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 7: it wasn't pretty. I don't think we felt like we

639
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 7: played real well, but you know, we again, when your

640
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 7: defense is just balling out like that, it's easy to run,

641
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 7: run and play, try to play field position. And had

642
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 7: a couple of bad breaks with the safety and a

643
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 7: couple of other things. But you know, again, when you're

644
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 7: defense is playing that well, I don't think you want

645
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 7: to let them win the game.

646
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 5: And just let them win the game. That's sort of

647
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: the problem.

648
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Speaker 3: You almost lost it because of that, And that is

649
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: the problem is getting too conservative. You got to put

650
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Speaker 3: it away and then you get conservative, right, You've got

651
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: to give your you've got to build yourself a multi

652
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: score lead anytime. The objective in football is to get

653
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: out to nine points or higher as a lead and

654
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: maintain it. That's the objective in football when you pull

655
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Speaker 3: you know, I mean we can we can go back

656
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Speaker 3: and forth and picker about other things and quiple out

657
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Speaker 3: other things, but at the end of the day, the

658
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 3: objective is to get up to a point where they

659
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Speaker 3: need multiple scores to win and maintain that.

660
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Speaker 1: When they got to safety, so they had the safety right,

661
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Speaker 1: and that was in the third quarter. You also had

662
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Speaker 1: the third and ten handoff. That was also the full

663
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Speaker 1: back trailing, which I believe he checked out.

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Speaker 3: Of and you I'm not one hundred percent of that,

665
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: but I have to go back and look. But I

666
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: believe he checked out of a play into that. You

667
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: certainly had Pat Bryant with his hands up not knowing

668
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Speaker 3: what was going on. I think you saw him if

669
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Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken him and have an Angram blocking the

670
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Speaker 3: same player on that play.

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Speaker 1: The goal to go situation was interesting too in the

672
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter when they ended up I mean, they only

673
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: needed a field goal, right, so you you you drive down.

674
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Let's see here, how much time was left, so you

675
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: started to drive. With ten to sixteen remaining in the

676
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, you are first and goal at the nine

677
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Speaker 1: yard line, and.

678
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Speaker 5: I just did it feel a little.

679
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Speaker 1: We're talking about conservative play calling, did it feel like

680
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: they were not? They did throw twice, so for what

681
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: it's worth, there was an incomplete pass left side, which was,

682
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: by the way, a weird moment, and you know, I

683
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: talked about it. I don't think they were all on

684
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Speaker 1: the same page on what was actually being run because

685
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Speaker 1: when Bow rolled out to his left, there was nobody.

686
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Speaker 4: There's like a.

687
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Speaker 5: Couple of plays like that over the course of that day.

688
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Speaker 5: It was like nobody even looking at him. So he

689
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: just dirted it.

690
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was me.

691
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Speaker 5: I'm looking at that.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, there's either this is either a one

693
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: read play, which is a terrible idea to begin with,

694
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Speaker 3: or there there was some designed bowl run bull.

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Speaker 1: I think it was an RPO, but he like he

696
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: went over, he didn't hand it off to JK.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, after the.

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Speaker 3: Boot I'm talking about, there was because you got to

699
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: have more than one option in a row. Like it's

700
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: other it's a loser play. So at that point, either

701
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 3: somebody didn't run what they were supposed to, or Bo

702
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: didn't run when he was supposed to one of the two.

703
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Speaker 1: So that was first down, first and goal of the nine,

704
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: and then the second one was a zero yard run

705
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Speaker 1: from JK.

706
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Speaker 5: Dobbins.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so now you're facing third and goal with the nine.

708
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: You forced yourself into a pass play. Yeah, now, now

709
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, I actually thought the play to

710
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: Corland Sutton there because I think certain sudden got held

711
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: a little bit there at the goal line to watch it. Yeah,

712
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: so I think he got held a little bit at

713
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Speaker 1: the goal line. Didn't get called. Of course it's not

714
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: gonna get called, but it didn't get called. If it

715
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Speaker 1: does get called, then you know your first and goal

716
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Speaker 1: with the one, and hey, you have a chance to

717
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Speaker 1: score a touchdown and basically put that game way away.

718
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Speaker 1: And we're probably not having the same conversations. It just

719
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Speaker 1: felt as though they got first and goal with the nine.

720
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Speaker 1: The goal was to not make a mistake give up

721
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: the field goal way more than it was to put

722
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Speaker 1: this thing away. And I think to your point that

723
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: you're saying there is that's how you're going to lose

724
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: more games than you're going to win. If you're playing

725
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Speaker 1: that conservative, you're playing that close, and you're playing not

726
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Speaker 1: to lose I mean, in this case, not to lose closer,

727
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: not to lose badly because you thought, hey, we have

728
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: three points here and we're gonna go up and we

729
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: think we can win it for that, then there's gonna

730
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Speaker 1: be some games that that's not gonna work for you.

731
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Speaker 3: Change the narrative, so there's no doubt, change the math,

732
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: so there's no doubt. As Marty Schotenheimer about play conservative football, right,

733
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: you had a lot of success in the regular season.

734
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Speaker 3: Asked Marty Schottenheimmer about the times he wished he well,

735
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 3: you can't ask him now, but you know he would have.

736
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: He would have gladly been more aggressive in certain situations

737
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: if you go back and look at the entirety of

738
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: his career because he allowed teams to beat him that

739
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: he shouldn't have by playing tight like that. Get up

740
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: two scores, then go conservative, and everything beyond that is

741
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: silly unless you unless you're in an endgame situation where

742
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: you can control the clock, there's no there's it's silly

743
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: because you sort of invite you're inviting football god foot, flukey,

744
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: play whatever, fumbled snap. Ask you know, look at what

745
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: happened to Jade Daniels to wash the commandants right bubbles.

746
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: Any little, if one pivotal, little tiny mistake can change

747
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: the calculus, then you're doing it wrong.

748
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 5: The commands the point where one play can't change the calculus.

749
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Speaker 5: The commanders gave that game away. They did.

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Speaker 1: They had it in hand, they had it. They were driving. Yeah,

751
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: whether they got a field goal or not. They were

752
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: gonna run clock, yeah, and they were gonna tear the bears.

753
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: And Fluss just said they don't end up getting anything

754
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: out of it. That I think they were in plus territory,

755
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: but they were really close to the field.

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00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

757
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: So you're you're right there, whether you can kick field

758
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: goal or not in the driving rain, but you were

759
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: in control with being up two in that moment.

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00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: Take everything else out of it, Take everything you know

761
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: about football out of it. The goal of the of

762
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Speaker 3: the first three quarters and roughly ten minutes or so

763
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Speaker 3: is get up two scores.

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Speaker 5: The goal the goal of the last five.

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Speaker 3: Minutes six minutes of it of an NFL game is

766
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Speaker 3: melt that clock away.

767
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Speaker 1: By the way, and I don't want to pile on

768
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: your guy, Dan Quinn. But for a moment, why didn't

769
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: you go for two?

770
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Speaker 5: And I left?

771
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 3: The math there was clear, and I'm one of those

772
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: people like somebody was like, you know, record size.

773
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Speaker 5: Your guys or whatever. I absolutely lambast did it for that.

774
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 5: The math was simple, go for two. Yeah, you know it.

775
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 5: You go for two and you put your stuff up three.

776
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: There was there was no excuse not to do that.

777
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you don't know what's gonna happen, but

778
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: maybe you choked and didn't that your offensive coordinator didn't

779
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: have a play ready, which or you know, or especially whatever,

780
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: but that the only thing I can think of there

781
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: is at the offense.

782
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Speaker 3: There was something destroyed with the offense and they didn't

783
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: have a play ready. But that's inexcusable. As the head coach,

784
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: you got to come down to your offensive coordinator. If

785
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: it's the case.

786
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Speaker 5: I have not.

787
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: For those of you wondering right now, why haven't been that,

788
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: I have not had a conversation with them since then

789
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: asked that question. I will before Sunday, but I just

790
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: haven't had a cop been busy all week with giant

791
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: stuff and trade rumers.

792
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Speaker 1: So I'll say like this, and I I know you're

793
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: kind of the same way. I mean, people are ripping

794
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: you right now in the text lines and that you're

795
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: coming after Sewan and that's that's fine.

796
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 5: I think I'm coming.

797
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: I'm coming after I'm coming after bad math in football. Yeah,

798
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: like this is this is super simple stuff. And you

799
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: can you guys can be as as whiny and as

800
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: whatever else is you want about me telling you about it.

801
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I'm right, So

802
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: I don't care.

803
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 5: But I think I am and I imagine you are

804
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 5: as well.

805
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: I would love for the Broncos to mount and just

806
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: take it to the Giants this game.

807
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 5: I love for it.

808
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: We've heard all the noise after this game against the Jets,

809
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: and we understand that we probably played that one a

810
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: little too conservative, a little too close to the vest.

811
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna come out and we're gonna pepper

812
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: the Giants secondary because, by the way, that's the way

813
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: you beat this team, Like you can go after the secondary.

814
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 5: They're banged up there.

815
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: They have some underperforming players and especially at the corner positions.

816
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: And I mean, I like Jevon Holland's find a safety.

817
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: But the debo is not doesn't doesn't do it for me,

818
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: you know, and I can.

819
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 5: Go I mean, I'm not gonna try to get anything.

820
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: I'll say this. Their front seven is very good. Don't

821
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 3: underestimate it, and it makes that back end better. Again

822
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: by itself, It's not something I'm particularly worried about.

823
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 5: But their front seven is very very dangerous. So yeah,

824
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 5: Cordell flat Uh.

825
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: Like I said, the group doesn't doesn't inspire me, but

826
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: their front seven is dangerous, So don't play into.

827
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: It, right, don't And again, same same calculus here for this.

828
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: Get up two scores and maintain it, right, get up

829
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: two scores and maintain that two score lead. Anything you

830
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: have to do to get yourself back to two scores

831
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: or to maintain that lead and stay at that.

832
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 5: If you can do that, you go to win football games.

833
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: On the season, they're giving up over two hundred and

834
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: forty two pass the yards per game, which is twenty

835
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: six in the league. They are being run on as well,

836
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: by the way, which is kind of surprising considering how

837
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: talent they are, how talented they are upfront.

838
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: Well, some of that has been late game clock milking

839
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: my teams. In a small sample size, you got six

840
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: games not all of those have been Jackson guard games.

841
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 5: Vonte Davante was able to run against. There's some of that.

842
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 5: A little bit of that has been clock running.

843
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: Those numbers are a little skewed, but otherwise, yes, they

844
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: have been able to have been susceptible in the edges

845
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: to be run against.

846
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: You can't run up autumn against the middle. I can't

847
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: wait for this game. I'm very excited about this game.

848
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: And I mean, it was a two and four Giants team,

849
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: but they've got a bit of a spark, especially on

850
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, and I've liked that

851
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: what they've done on the defense since the offseason. I

852
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: loved what they did in the draft. Thought I thought

853
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: they had a great draft.

854
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: I did, I think, you know, for me, I'm a

855
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: little concerned about this game because they've got a renewed

856
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: energy around at young.

857
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 5: Quarterback and so I'm you know, he's been in the

858
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 5: tent every game.

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00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: I don't wish injury on anybody, but I'm kind of

860
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 3: air quotes hoping we see Russ in this one, because

861
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: I think that turns out a little better for the

862
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 3: Denver Broncos.

863
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: All Right, five six six nine zeros are Kay with

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Speaker 1: Thomas Surreal text Lin. If you want to interact with us,

865
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: we'll come back. I want to talk about the AFC

866
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: and sort of where the Broncos stack up in the

867
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: playoff picture, and we'll get to that next