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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a very happy Tuesday. Put a

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Speaker 1: smile on your face. In this segment, we're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: from Tom's Alastauski at the bottom of this hour matters

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Speaker 1: Political and we'll get the inside scoop at bright Bart

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Speaker 1: News in an hour, follow by the Daniel Davis Deep

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Speaker 1: Dive at eight thirty. Typical Tuesday, but a special guest

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Speaker 1: here in the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Kind of

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Speaker 1: hoping it's not gonna be the only time he appears here.

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Speaker 1: Greg Hand you may know him because he's the proprietor

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Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Curiosities blog. Find it where you find

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Speaker 1: your blogs. Joe's put a link up on my blog

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Speaker 1: page fifty five cars dot com to get his website.

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Speaker 1: He writes about one thousand words every week, which he

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Speaker 1: posts on Tuesday, all about a whole bunch of different

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Speaker 1: topics like, for example, most recently, an escaped Oriole brought

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati to distraught women and national attention. That's his most

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Speaker 1: recent post. Retired from the University of Cincinnati, is the

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Speaker 1: head of Public Relations office for employed with the university.

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Speaker 1: He was the editor of the Western Hills Press, May

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Speaker 1: at Rest in peace. In addition to the blog, he

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Speaker 1: contributes regularly to CINCINNTI Magazine, presenting entertaining history, chats and

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Speaker 1: bars and saloons. You heard that correctly, through a program

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Speaker 1: program called stand Up History. Also the author of US

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Curiosities, which I've got a copy of in my hand,

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Speaker 1: Healing Powers of the Whamsley Madstone, Nocturnal Exploits of Old

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Speaker 1: Man Dead, Mazappa's Naked Ride, and more Right, that's why

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Speaker 1: it's called Cincinnati Curiosities. We'll get a word or two

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Speaker 1: about that. And then Tarbell Palooza another book that he

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Speaker 1: kindly gave me a copy of, So great stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: all Cincinnati bass and with a comedic twist. Greg Hann,

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in studio. Always a pleasure. So

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Speaker 1: e've been how long? Even if this is stand up

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Speaker 1: comedy that relates to Cincinnati history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. The thing is, people in Cincinnati love

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Speaker 2: the history of this town. Oh yeah, and for good reason.

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Speaker 2: This town, I keep telling people, is the city that

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Speaker 2: just keeps on giving. Every time I find something weird,

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Speaker 2: but they are put off by traditional methods of learning.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to get books, they don't want to

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Speaker 2: sit down and take classes or be serious. But they'll

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Speaker 2: go to bars and after a couple of drinks, you

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Speaker 2: get somebody to stand up and talk about, for instance,

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Speaker 2: seventeen weird real estate stories in Cincinnati, and they get

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Speaker 2: very appreciative after that second drink.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we all know that social liver could help

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Speaker 1: some multiple social situations. Especially at a comedy club. You

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Speaker 1: got to get that InterVoice of reluctance and kind of

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Speaker 1: shut up and so you can participate. Do you interact

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Speaker 1: with the audience? I mean, oh yeah, yeah. Do you

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Speaker 1: engage in the Socratic method?

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Speaker 2: It's very informal. This really started with in the bars

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Speaker 2: because of my partner in founding this, Molly Wellman, who

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Speaker 2: has owned a variety of watering holes in Cincinnati. She's

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Speaker 2: she's well known for that, and she just presents so

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Speaker 2: so wonderfully and everybody just kind of joins in, and

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to necessarily presume what I'm what

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, but considering the venues are typically bars. Although

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Speaker 1: at Union Terminal as well, you're focusing on bars. I'm

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Speaker 1: suggesting though, that maybe there's a little bit of blue

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The way the way that we

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Speaker 2: us for something, they always go, now, how adult is this? Yes,

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Speaker 2: and our response is usually it's irreverent obscene.

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Speaker 1: definitely appreciates a certain level of irreverence without question. So,

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Speaker 2: Wednesday, January twenty first, we have a monthly residency on

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Speaker 2: Molly will be there in Dean Regis, who is technically

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Speaker 2: He Dean has done some amazing things, takedowns of astrology

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Speaker 2: I quite often get into the history of prostitution in Cincinnati, although.

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Speaker 1: They mostly across the River.

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Speaker 2: No, this is the big misunderstanding that people have their

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Speaker 2: memories are entirely too short. Between around eighteen seventy five

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Speaker 2: and the First World War, Cincinnati had a large red

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Speaker 3: The demand was that high. This was this was This

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Speaker 3: you did not have this, it wasn't legal. But if

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Speaker 2: Out let four hormonally overcharged men, they were going to

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Speaker 2: so that was the solution was, well, we're going we're

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Speaker 1: So it will sacrifice Victorian principles in the name of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But the thing about Kentucky is and I addressed

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Speaker 2: and after nineteen twenty it totally changed.

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Speaker 1: Well, is that is a consequence of the Boss Cox

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Speaker 2: There were four factors that really led to this. One

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Speaker 2: form of government. The other was prohibition absolutely a major

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Speaker 1: Which apparently was alcohol but also a prostitution because it

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Speaker 2: For Cincinnati by nineteen thirty five was known as the

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Speaker 2: you really don't see northern Kentucky getting this reputation until

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Speaker 1: So it's not in my backyard, but as long as

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Speaker 2: There you go to get the crime.

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Speaker 1: Element in Wow, we're going to learn about some of

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Speaker 1: different some additional parallels nineteen twenty six versus well twenty

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Speaker 1: We're going to continue with comedian and historian Greg hand Station.

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Speaker 1: It's seven eighteen. If if you have PERCD talk stations,

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Speaker 1: see I'm laughing because I'm sitting in studio with a

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Speaker 1: comedian and historian of unusual Cincinnati related matters. Greg Hand

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Speaker 1: got a great background doing this stand up comedy related

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Speaker 1: to Cincinnati history, and he's got some assistance with some

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Speaker 1: of these, like Molly Wellman, for example. He mentioned Dean

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Speaker 1: Riguz and I understand Michael Parina is also going to

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Speaker 1: be helping you out at this stand up history at

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Speaker 1: Union Terminal event Thursday, the twenty second. Tickets are available

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Speaker 1: at starts at six pm. Get your tickets. Jo just

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Speaker 1: put a look up at the blog page fifty five

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Speaker 1: krcy dot com. I was laughing because you're always working

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Speaker 1: on news stories. You mentioned doing Cincinnati curiosities. He put

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Speaker 1: as well as garbage collection.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: People remember Cincinnati as poor Koppolis. We love our pigs.

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Speaker 2: We get the flying pigs all over the place. What

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Speaker 2: people don't remember about Cincinnati is the City of Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: did not institute garbage collection well until after the Civil War.

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Speaker 1: That's because we had the canal.

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Speaker 2: It's because we had the pigs.

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Speaker 2: is remember from eighteen thirty until nineteen ten, Cincinnati was

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Speaker 2: So after the Civil War we were the sixth largest

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Speaker 1: So cities cleaned up under the Charter Rights and we

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Speaker 1: everyone said it, how long did that period of time last?

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Speaker 1: Because it seems somewhere we went off the rails there.

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Speaker 2: The Charter Committee and the Charter form of government basically

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Speaker 2: the mid thirties it was multiple, multiple national publications pointed

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Yes, those words have come up

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Speaker 2: Which is a little complicated to describe it. Basically, it

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Speaker 1: Which means each council members expected to represent every single

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Speaker 1: I guess there was some sort of gerrymandard or.

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Speaker 2: Slic no in proportional representation. It was intentionally citywide, each

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Speaker 2: city council had more than forty people. We had at

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Speaker 2: Republicans were consistently represented on council, as were Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Well, the parallels that you draw between nineteen twenty six

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Speaker 1: nothing has changed there. Also, you mentioned the rapid transit loop,

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Speaker 1: which we know is the street car today. Is that

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Speaker 1: the project that was being built the subway system that

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Speaker 1: never did get built. What's the backstory on that one.

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Speaker 2: So the Charter Committee came in with this new form

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Speaker 2: to disassemble what's left of the Cox machine. And one

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Speaker 2: of the elements of the Cox machine that was still

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Speaker 2: to as the Cincinnati Subway. And so suddenly out of

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Speaker 2: City Hall came these reports that said, oh, this was

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Speaker 2: poorly designed, it couldn't possibly be used, its cost overrun

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Speaker 2: going through the roof. All of this was totally made up.

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Speaker 2: It was fake news. It was an attempt by the

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Speaker 2: Charter government to accuse the Cox government of creating this

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Speaker 2: it down. And if they had allowed it to go forward,

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Speaker 2: in fact, it was designed very well and it was

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Speaker 2: under budget or not under budget.

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Speaker 1: But on Budge, Wow, the parallels to be drawn. I'm thinking, like, well,

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Speaker 1: evil Orange Man did that, so we're not going to

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Speaker 1: do it, even though on paper and Carl it looks

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Speaker 1: like it really will work. Make up some propaganda say

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Speaker 1: it's it's connected with Boss Cox, who we all collectively

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Speaker 1: agrees evil Erico. Anything he's responsible for is in and

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Speaker 1: of itself evil, So just let's forget it.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the lessons of history is that the

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Speaker 2: flavor of politics changes, but it's always with us.

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Speaker 1: Greg hann great conversation, man, what are you doing the

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty six twenty versus twenty twenty six presentation? Is

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Speaker 1: that upcoming?

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Speaker 2: Oh? It takes a while. A thousand words translates into

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Speaker 2: about a seven minute presentation. And most of our most

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Speaker 2: to twenty five minutes. Oh so a snippet, and and

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Speaker 2: so I've I've When I get a topic like that,

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Speaker 2: I have to get a little more to fill in

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Speaker 2: my slot.

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Speaker 1: Sure, and well, you will find him and them around town.

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Speaker 1: Sin Saint Curiosity's blog. You gotta follow it. Joe Strucker's

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Speaker 1: put a link up if you have carc dot com.

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Speaker 1: Whereas I would say Peter Bronson covers more perhaps well

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Speaker 1: known or more less comedic, elements of what happens are

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Speaker 1: throughout his Cincinnati history. You're finding the really crazy stuff

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Speaker 1: and I'll encourage my listeners. Joe put a link up

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Speaker 1: to Cincinnati Curiosity's your book again, Healing Powers of the

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Speaker 1: Whamsley Madstone, Nocturnal Exploits of Old Man Dead, Mazeppa's Naked Ride,

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Speaker 1: and more. Sounds bizarre and I'm sure we're going to

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Speaker 1: find the bizarre, but it's historically true. Greg Han. Real

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Speaker 1: pleasure having you in here, man, and maybe we can

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Speaker 1: do this again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'd love to keep up the fun.

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Speaker 1: We all need fun these days, and I appreciate your

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Speaker 1: using history as a vehicle to get us all smiling.

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