1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Really fun conversation with Broncos GM George Payton just a 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: little bit ago. 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 2: That interview me up on demand. 4 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: At Kawacolorado dot com or on the completely free and 5 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: totally awesome iHeartRadio app. 6 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 2: We're also going to replay that just after. 7 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Six o'clock tonight. Of course, as I mentioned earlier, Ben 8 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: and I are walking you up to the State of 9 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: the Union coming up at seven right here on KOA. 10 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, take your text five six six 11 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: nine zero if you want to react to the big 12 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: breaking news today from the Broncos. As we're at the combine, 13 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Sean Payton announcing the Datch web is going to call 14 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: play this upcoming season. 15 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: We'll get back to the text line. 16 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: You guys have a lot of texts and a lot 17 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: of reaction coming into this, so I want to get 18 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: back to that here in just a moment. One thing 19 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: that was I guess we woke up to the news 20 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: this morning. 21 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: About the draft, and you know, milk kiper I think 22 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: milkiper is, I don't know. I don't want to. 23 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: Say negative things about mel I think that he is 24 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: a standard in the industry for a lot of people. 25 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: He's an entertainer, right, first, first and foremost, he's an entertainer. 26 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: So there's oftentimes my perception of him and perspective tends 27 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: to be, well, he does things for entertainment purposes only, right, 28 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: Like milk Kiper will put out a mock draft and 29 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: people will clamor to oh, well, my well Kuiper thinks 30 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: this team is in on this player. No, no, no, no, 31 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: melk Kuiper is doing this as a thought exercise, like 32 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: playing simple. 33 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: Every single mock he puts out, he does it for entertainment. 34 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's infotainment, is probably the best way 35 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: to put it. But yeah, it's the entertainment first. The 36 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: information is a second. 37 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: I think mel Kuiper has. 38 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: Some some nuggets in there, but mel Kiper is relying 39 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: solely on information from other people, and you know, how 40 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: reliable that is over the years has been up and down. 41 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: I think it's the standard for how it's presented. He 42 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: sort of took everything that Joel Bucksbaum used to do 43 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: back in the day and sort of made a cottage 44 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: industry out of it. 45 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: And now we see how big the combine is and 46 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: draft you know, and all that kind of stuff. 47 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people have have sort of 48 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: invaded that space. I think there are other people that 49 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: are more accurate out there as far as it goes. 50 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: But I certainly I appreciate what Melkiper has done. I 51 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: just I'm not relying on that for anything of significant. 52 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: I think we're basically on the same page. You're just 53 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: like liking to be argumentative, which is fine, it's your right. 54 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: It's it's kind of classic you. 55 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I can, I can, I can Robin Gibbs 56 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: it up here, No, Ryan, No, I don't. 57 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: I get that reference. Timberlake is yeah, No, I know, 58 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: I know Gibbs. 59 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: Robi Gibbs actually never probably said it like that, but 60 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: justin Timberlake, no doubt. 61 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that. You you know, the last segment 62 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: we were talking. 63 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: About Sean, he didn't want to frame it in a 64 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: certain way, and then the Texters by the way, you're 65 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: crushing you for it. 66 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's just the way this. 67 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: But anyways, I want to come back to this this 68 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: mark for two seconds, because he had the Broncos taking 69 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: a safety Toledo Emmanuel McNeil Warren, who's actually in a 70 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: lot of my since itsn't be the fight top fifteen player. 71 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good play. I just don't think that's 72 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: the direction they're going. 73 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: Fair, it's February twenty fourth, nobody knows the direction they're 74 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: ultimately going. 75 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: They don't know the direction they're going. 76 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So like we say, I don't 77 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: think that's a right. Well, no, they may get to 78 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: pick thirty. Just like Johday Barn wasn't mocked to the 79 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: Broncos in any mock. 80 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: I couldn't sign in a. 81 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: Single knock out there that would have had jad A 82 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: Barn going pick twenty to the Broncos. 83 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: But yet here we go. 84 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: He's available to you as a thought exercise. The reason 85 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: I bring this up, and he's a ballhawk. 86 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: He's a ballhawk safety. Like I said, there's a lot 87 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: of good player. 88 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a very good player, But there are people 89 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: out there that I feel like this is very much 90 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: like a Jade Baron kind of pick once again, because 91 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: it would be a player drafted to a room that 92 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: has already got its starters in place, and that's assuming 93 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: Brandon Jones is back with the team, which I think 94 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: he's probably ultimately going to be, even though. 95 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: There's some cap reasons it's not one hundred, but I 96 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: would say it's you know, it's it's more likely than not. Yeah. 97 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: So, but either way, you're not going to go into 98 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: the draft with a massive hole of safety. So even 99 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: if it PJ Locke, that's back on a on a 100 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: you know, low cost contract, and he's the guy slotted 101 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: in there next to Tallanoufanga, you're not going to go 102 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: into the draft when the massive holder is safety either way. 103 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: So if you draft him, what does that mean? Well, 104 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: I think it means that, like George was saying, you 105 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: don't want to. 106 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 3: Grow, you don't want to age with the same guys 107 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: at the same position, right, So I think that would 108 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: be a part of it. 109 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: I would think that that would mean that somebody would be. 110 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: A short timer for the Broncos the safety position, probably 111 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: Brandon Jones. 112 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: And so I think that's that's where you look at I. 113 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 3: I you know, we know from Vance's history that he 114 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: just does not like to play rookies that much. 115 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: He just doesn't he doesn't like to rely on rookies. 116 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: He thinks that the. 117 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: Best way to help them to grow is to let 118 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: them learn by seeing it. And then so they're not 119 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: drinking through a fire hose out there on the field, 120 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 3: and you know that kind of stuff, and I think 121 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: there is value to that. 122 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: I still think the best teacher is reps. 123 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: But you know, johny Barn going to have it expanded 124 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 3: role this year, yes, you know, and part of that 125 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: because he's not a rookie anymore. 126 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: And in advanced Joseph's history, you go back and look, 127 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: that's been his moo. 128 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: His mL was a head coach here DC of the Dolphins, 129 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: DC that the Cardinals, and the defensive coordinator the Broncos. 130 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: He just does not like to rely on rookies as 131 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: a starter. He just doesn't do it. And so you know, 132 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: if they do go out there and get a defensive 133 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: player like that, I would not expect that defensive player 134 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: to be a starter for the Broncos, at least not 135 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: right unless it was you know, everybody got hurt. I 136 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 3: think that we're doing this before we've had free agency 137 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: and can really kind of see the vision are I 138 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: think after free agency, just based on the conversations that 139 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: we've sort of had, I think I see the vision 140 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: right now. We'll see if that falls into place based 141 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: on free agency and of course, you know those guys 142 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: have to agree to terms too. Wanting guys isn't enough. 143 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: You gotta be able to sign him. So I think 144 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: I sort of know what the vision is here. But 145 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: you know I I if they do go ahead and 146 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: get a player like that, that would mean they thought 147 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 3: he was best player available, yes, and that somebody is 148 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: probably a short time or there whomever that may be. 149 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: That's exactly what that feels like. And honestly, if it's PJ. 150 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: Lock, let's, just for argument's sake, say they decide for 151 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: cap reasons to move on from Brandon Jones. 152 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: Which it makes perfect sense. PJ Lock's probably go to 153 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: get more money from Buffalo anyway, So what for argument 154 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: it is PJ Lock. 155 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: And then there's a competition with between these two for 156 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: the other safety position. And I think there's a lot 157 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: of Broncos fans that would be more or less okay 158 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: with that conversation. I think the john a barren thing, 159 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: in my opinion, gets blown out of proportion because you 160 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: just keep stacking good players. We said this for a 161 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: while now. Maybe people have a narrow mind because of 162 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: where you are relative to a Sean would say relative 163 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: to to competing for a championship. 164 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: You say, no, no, you should be drafting for need only. 165 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: We did this whole thing last night. 166 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: But the fact is you want to continue to stock 167 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: through the draft the depth of your team so that 168 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: you aren't in a position where. 169 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: You put it all into the all eggs into. 170 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: The basket of twenty twenty six and if it doesn't 171 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: pan out, well, guess what. You got a bunch of 172 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: expiring contracts. You got a bunch of players you can't 173 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: really use because it was all designed at going after it. 174 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: Right now, if you think broader picture, you're going to 175 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: have to top bonex contract. You have to get him 176 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: a second contract. Uh here, fairly soon, right, he's on 177 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: This will be year three of his rookie deal. 178 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: He's got one more after this, right. 179 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: Uh, then you've got the possibility the fifth year option, 180 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 3: you know on going from there. So you're probably gonna 181 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: be paying bon Knicks, not this season, but next season 182 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: gives some sort of extension. 183 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: Right. 184 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: So at that point, once you paid the quarterback, you 185 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: can't afford to have an entire defense on second contracts. 186 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: You're going to have to have some first contract players. 187 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: Uh. 188 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: And the Broncos have what one starter that's a that's 189 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: a first contract player, Ryan the Moss, Yes, everybody else 190 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: on her second contract who Foungus certainly Brandon Jones, Pratzer, 191 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: tan Coopan and Benito Singleton, Drake Greenlaw, DJ Jones, Zach 192 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: Allen and John Franklin Myers. All those guys are on 193 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: veteran multi molt late contract deal. You don't have any 194 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: first contract players on defense. 195 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: So when I say, you know the people are talking. 196 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: About you need to draft for need, no, no, this 197 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: is exactly the opposite. You draft did best player available, 198 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: because you're going to have to get rid of some 199 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: of these contracts once it comes to pay and bow 200 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: in order to be able. 201 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: To make cap. 202 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: And you know, you're gonna have to have good players 203 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: there that are young and that are able to be 204 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: on first contract eels. 205 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: Which is why, even though it will likely not be 206 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: widely celebrated if the Broncos do this, I'm fine going 207 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: offensive line. 208 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: If you get to an offensive tackle that falls. 209 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: To you at pick thirty that you just didn't see 210 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: was going to be there, and you see as an 211 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: opportunity because you asked George about it, see as an 212 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: opportunity because they haven't drafted offensive tackle since Kara Bulls 213 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: to bring in some developing talent. 214 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: People will pan it there. 215 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: Broncos fans will pan that move if you go offensive line. 216 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: Even though in two to three years when you have 217 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: to move on from Mike McGlinchey and now you have 218 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: a guy that you stockpiled there as a first rounder 219 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: that is a sure fire starter for the next decade, 220 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: people will still pan it on that draft night. 221 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: I don't think they realize how much of this roster 222 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: will be gone. 223 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: You know, in two years. 224 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: We just talked about on the defensive side, those first 225 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 3: contract players, there were only two on offense, right, well, 226 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: there were three, but Wattenberg got paid. But there's bo 227 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 3: and you know it's the quarterback and Troy Franklin, right, 228 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: And so I mean, I get that you've got some 229 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: debts down the line with Marvin Mims on a you 230 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: know deal, Pat Bryant, that kind of stuff, But eventually 231 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: it's going to time to pay those guys too. And 232 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 3: so I you know, the thing to remember here is 233 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: once you paid Mo Nix, like you're gonna wipe out 234 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 3: half these second contract player, You've got to have first 235 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: contract players, rookie contract cost control players, in. 236 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: Order to pay a quarterback. 237 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 3: It's just the nature of the beast, and Broncos fans 238 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: haven't had to deal with that in a while. I 239 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: don't think they remember, because you know, we paid uh, 240 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: you know, the middle of the road or very low 241 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: stuff for the Bridgewaters, the case Keenums and the Joe 242 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: Flaccos and the you know, they all that stuff that 243 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: Trevor Simmy was on a r. 244 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: You guys don't remember what. 245 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: It's like to have a quarterback eating up that much 246 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 3: cap and how difficult it is to field things. You've 247 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: got an entire offensive line, it's paid, a whole defense 248 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: it's played, that's paid, and so that that's that's just 249 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: not feasible under the cap once you pay a quarterback. 250 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: All right, let's get you a couple of texts here 251 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: on the Kiwak Spirit Hill. Text line is Benjamin Albright 252 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: and I are live from the NFL Combine here Indianapolis. Again, 253 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: we spoke with gim George Payton. Exclusive interview right here 254 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: on KOA. We'll bring that to you after six o'clock. 255 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: This one. 256 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: Why do you have to change the financial structure after 257 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: paying Bow when they've already been paying Russ so much 258 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: in the last two years. I mean, it's a little 259 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: bit of a different it's a little bit put that 260 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: cap hit up. 261 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: Over two years, they weren't paying. 262 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 3: Russell Wilson full contracts money. This past year it was 263 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: thirty something million dollars if you had a top up 264 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: of the market, backup quarterback in Jared instead of you're 265 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: paying him top of the backup quarterback market money. So 266 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: that's not that's not exactly true. When all said and done. 267 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: Solus a lot of the contracts they're structuring, we're understanding 268 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: on the other side of the Russell Wilson deal. But 269 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: then eventually those are gonna come due as far as 270 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: the dead cap, and and. 271 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: They spent that Russell Wilson money George Corda's eighteen contracts 272 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: over the last yeah, you know year, And yeah, they've 273 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: spent that money. That money spent. That's not that's not 274 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: saved for bo. That money's gone. 275 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 3: They extended Pastor Tan, they extended U you know, Zach Allen, 276 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: DJ Jones, Queen of Minors, Luke Wadenberg. So that money, 277 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: it's not like that money he's there in the sense that, oh, 278 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: well we held it off. It was Russell Wilson money. 279 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: They spent all that money on these other contracts. That's 280 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: the reason that the Broncos are middle of the road 281 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: in available cap space, uh, for the for the coming year, 282 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: for this coming free agency, they're middle of road because 283 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: they already spent. 284 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: A lot of it better. 285 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: Ryan thoughts on George Payton saying we expect teams to 286 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: call about j Kwan or the Broncos going to try 287 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: and trade him. 288 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: They're not. They can't trade him. He's what's called a 289 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: restricted free agency a three well four options. I guess 290 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: you could not offer him anything. 291 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: Uh, you can offer what's called an original round tender, 292 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: which doesn't actually matter for what round you were drafted. Uh, 293 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: it just means that you don't get a draft compensation back. 294 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: They are free to negotiate a deal and if that, 295 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: if you want to match that deal, you are welcome 296 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: to If not, they walk. 297 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: And that was what they gave c. J. Anderson. Remember 298 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: when c. J. 299 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: Anderson was up for a contract back in the day, 300 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: the Miami Dolphins offered him a contract, The Broncos match it, 301 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: and he came back. You could do what's called a 302 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: second round tender, which is the same thing, except that if. 303 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: He takes the deal. 304 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: If Jaquan were to sign a deal with somebody else 305 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: and you refuse to match it, you get a second rounder, 306 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: and then you can do what's called a first round tender, 307 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: which they're not going to do. 308 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: The second round tender is worth about five million. This 309 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: is the first round tender is worth about eight million. 310 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 3: I think I think they'll either original round or fifth 311 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: round or excuse me, second round tender. 312 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: Jae kwon just depends. If they do second they want 313 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: to keep it. If they do original, they're willing to 314 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: let him walk. 315 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: So. But but the reason George was having that conversation 316 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: with the media, the reason why that comes up is 317 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: because they also know that Jaday Barn needs to see 318 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: the field, and he's going to see the field one 319 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: one form or fashion, and makes the most sense to 320 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: look at it from there. 321 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: Now. 322 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 3: Again, I think the way to look at this is 323 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: what makes the team the best, and I think they 324 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: think Barn is actually the better player, and I think 325 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: Barn will be the player. 326 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: I don't think Jayquon's gonna be here as much. 327 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: As they and I really yeah. I think they like 328 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 3: I think they like Jaquon. I think they're like what 329 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: he did this year. I think he took a big leap. 330 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: But I think at the end of the day, I 331 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: think they think Baron's a better player. And I'm not sure. 332 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: If they put the second round tender on Jaquan, then 333 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: he'll be back. 334 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: If they don't, then he won't. A couple more techs. 335 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: Who the heck is mel Kuiper, Well, he said, Bill Polliet, 336 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: well done, well done. Be Texter's got some football history 337 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 2: that's really good. That is really good. Mel Kuiper's jumped 338 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: the shark. 339 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: Well again, you're gonna see and he's gonna probab plug 340 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: somebody else in on the next mock that he does 341 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: for the Broncos. 342 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: And I mean pick thirty makes sense. 343 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: But other than Fernando Mendoza, I'll just I'll tell you, 344 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what he's gonna do from here on out, 345 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: other than Bernando Mendoza pick one, And maybe he even 346 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: goes through a thought exercise of not putting Mendoza there. 347 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: But I think even for mel Kiper, it sounds kind 348 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: of silly to do something like that. But Fernando Mendoza 349 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: is gonna be locked in there at one and then 350 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: everything else. 351 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: Is up for grabs. 352 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: He has Caleb Downs going too to the Jets. Is 353 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: Caleb Downs over Arbio re going to now again? Maybe 354 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: I like Caleb Downs a lot. There are some people 355 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: out there that are hard former dB. They will argue 356 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: that Caleb Downs is the best pure football player in 357 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: this draft. 358 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 3: Kyle Hamilton's style probably, yes. The problem with that is 359 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: the positional value tends to push that down on the 360 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: rich get richer when somebody like that drops in their lap. 361 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: Correct, and so Avarice. I guess see where he ended 362 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: up going. It was a few picks later. Actually, So 363 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: you got Fernando going one. I have not seen this 364 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: mock draft. I got Caleb going to You got David 365 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: Bailey from Texas tatic going three that I believe Arizona. 366 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: I believe Carvell to Tennessee. Okay, Spencer Fano from Utah 367 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: going to the Giants. So offensive, that will not be 368 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,239 Speaker 1: That'll be Tate Carnel Tate going to the Browns. 369 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tate will go to the Giants. Sunny styles. Our 370 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: guy going to your Washington Commanders. 371 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. I believe that's I believe that's in play. Bobby Wagoner, 372 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: by the way, he wants to come back for one 373 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: more season. 374 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: Saw that. 375 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: But kayle Lemon going to the Saints early for him 376 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: makes me sad to see this. Jeremi I Love going 377 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: to the Kansas City Chiefs. 378 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: That is very much in play. 379 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: And then Ruben Bain going to the Cincinnati Bengals at 380 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: eleven ten ten. 381 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm not sure that that happens. There's a multiple 382 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: reasons why you don't think that's gonna hit. I love, 383 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: I don't. I love that You've been talking about Bayin 384 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: for months. 385 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: But I I'm not sure he goes that high. 386 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: And I'll leave that at that for now. 387 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: Okay, now, all right back to the text line here 388 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: five six, six nine zero. Hopefully we're gonna go for 389 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: our second championship with Bow before that happens. Sorry, in 390 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: the first round, you have to draft starter, go get 391 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: your future replacements in other rounds like you did with 392 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: Q and Savion. 393 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: Windows open better improved. Now. 394 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I. 395 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: Guess the only thing Ilse sort to push back on 396 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: that is. 397 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: It's it's it's perspective on what the first round pick 398 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: is because I think that you do draft on traits 399 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: in a lot of rounds, but the first round is 400 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: no exception. This whole like status of it has to 401 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: be a starter. It has to be a guy that 402 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: plays right away. I think that's nonsense. 403 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: And again, I don't want to be disrespectful of the texture. 404 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: You hope that's the case. He's not the he or 405 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: she they They are not the only ones to ever 406 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: say that. 407 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: In fact, I had a whole discussion with our guy, 408 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: Zach Seegers before the show. 409 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: You see, he echoed the exact same sentiment. 410 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: First round picks have to start year one and they 411 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: have to be major contributors in you one, and I. 412 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: Think that's bunk. They are, but they don't have to be. 413 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: You know, you can if Pat Holmes was a you know, 414 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: was a number ten, he didn't do anything in his 415 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: first season. 416 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: If shad Ay Barron is a multi time pro bowler 417 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: and All Pro by the by the time he hits 418 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: his fifth round options, he's gonna care. 419 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,239 Speaker 2: If nobody's gonna. 420 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: Care at that point, they're just gonna be like, hey man, 421 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled that he got there. 422 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: And you know they're one. Was what it was but. 423 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: As the team has said, he was drafted to a 424 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: very deep room that happened to perform at a certain 425 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: level like that. That's the other thing that that continues 426 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: to be missed to this whole Jatte Baron discussion is 427 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: the tail end of the prior season saw Wolf Riley 428 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: Moss and Jayqwan McMillan playing through injury and not playing well. 429 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: And if you're the Broncos front office, if you're the 430 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: coaching staff, it's hard not to forget about that when 431 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: you get to that pick twenty and you see a 432 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: player on there you didn't think was going to be 433 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: available to you, and you're thinking long term. 434 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: You know that. 435 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: That was a bit of the argument that I gone 436 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: with Zach early on because he was saying, well, you 437 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: got to have a plan for him. They have a 438 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: plan for every single player, including Savion Jones and Ken Robinson. 439 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: They have a plan for every single player. Reason they 440 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: have ender John Franklin Myers. 441 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: They stack their board and they have notes next to 442 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: every single guy knowing this is what we think he 443 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: can be in year one, year two, year three and beyond, 444 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: and we think by this point you're three whatever it 445 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: is to say like it's Saveon Jones, a Day three guy. 446 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: We think by year three, this guy has a chance 447 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: to be a starting caliber defensive lineman in the league. Well, 448 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: guess what he's going into year two. So I imagine 449 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: you have a plan for year two on what that 450 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: development timeline looks like. It doesn't mean that Jade Baron 451 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: was a bus in year one just because he was 452 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: drafted to a very deep room that happened to play well. 453 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: All of these guys showed up ready to go. They 454 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: took the drafting the pick at twenty as an indication 455 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: that they needed. 456 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: To step up of their game. That's a good thing. 457 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: Broncos fans had losing your mind on this stuff. 458 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 3: You have a head coach or excuse me, a defensive 459 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 3: coordinated I don't like to play rookies. You had a 460 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 3: slot nickel corner who the team was Luke warma On 461 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: last year that really stepped it up over training camp, 462 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: and Seleti fives have and played well throughout the season. 463 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: And it's a combination of things. 464 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 3: I don't I had not seen that people were sweating 465 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 3: the Jadda Baron thing. 466 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: Just started next year and it'll be absolutely fine. Losing 467 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: their minds calling him a bus that's stupid. 468 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 4: Let me let me find those tweets because I'm saving 469 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 4: him saying that the front office missed that, the coaching 470 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 4: staff missed, people even texting it a little bit ago, 471 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: like why are you guys not talking about George Payton's misses, 472 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 4: including Jeadday, Aaron Barons. 473 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: You can't classify that. Sean Payton even came out and 474 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: said we can't. 475 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 3: Judge a glaft class till until three years later. Today 476 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 3: it is presser. So if they won't take it from me, 477 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 3: take it from Sean Payton. You can't judge a pick 478 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 3: now anyway. As far as the rest that goes mee. 479 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: George Paton says, some missus most of them are free 480 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: agent misses. You know the Lady Gregory thing, you know 481 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 3: that didn't work out, But not not too many draft misses. 482 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what, are they gonna go a six 483 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 2: round corner Keyshawn Vaughan or whatever I mean that we're 484 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: doing here. 485 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: I'd say that the roughest year for George was then 486 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: Daniel Hackett year. But there's some Dutch things, Yeah, I mean, 487 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: Packett wanted to go montre Washington like there, there were 488 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: quite a few Missus Packett wanted certain guys. 489 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: They went out and got those guys, and you know, 490 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: here we are. But you see what happens again collaboration, 491 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: which is a big thing that. 492 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: Happens inside the Broncos, and it's a big thing for George. 493 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: You see what happens when you're collaborative with maybe the 494 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: wrong coach. And that's an example. Now you have what 495 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: you believe is a right coach, the right culture, and 496 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: you continue to draft those kinds of players. That's the 497 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: reason why teams like the Baltimore Ravens and the Pittsburgh 498 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: Steelers and the Patriots and these teams continue to be 499 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 1: good year on year because they have a culture, they 500 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: have a mindset of the exact kind of players they 501 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: want to draft, they want to bring it in free agency. 502 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: Well, guess what. 503 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: The Broncos went through a multitude of figuring out what 504 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: their culture was over several years, and they finally settled 505 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: into a rhythm with this. And by the way, there 506 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: was a nice little moment with Sean saying that he's 507 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: advocating now we're being respectful of the process, of course, 508 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: but advocating to bring George back. 509 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: He's well, he should. I think that. I mean, Mickey 510 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 3: Loomis and Sean Payton were buddies. I don't think that 511 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: George and Sean are buddies in that way, but I 512 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 3: think that there's a healthy respect. There is a very 513 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 3: healthy and a large amount of respect for George Payton's 514 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: prowess and being able to identify. 515 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 2: And evaluate talent. 516 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: They're on the doorstep of the Super Bowl, and yes, 517 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: Sean had a lot to do with that. 518 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: But so did George. 519 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 3: So a lot of these players, the guys who were 520 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 3: really the big time players, were here before Sean Payton 521 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 3: was you know, Pats and Dan was George Peyton. 522 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: You know, Nick Benito, that's George Peyton. 523 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: You know, you go back and you look at some 524 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 3: of this stuff and I just say, you know, a 525 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: lot of these a lot of the foundational players that 526 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 3: are here pre date Sean Payton. 527 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: Five six six nine Zeros are Kae Comma spirit El 528 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: text line. We'll get some more of your texts when 529 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: we come back. We're gonna hear more from Sean Payton, 530 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: some of his reasons why he ended up giving play 531 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: calling duty over to Davis Webb. We'll get to all 532 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: that come out of next is real life from the 533 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six NFL combine right, that words Benjamin all 534 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: b Right, this is Kaway telling zero is our Kawa 535 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: Commas spirit healt text line if you want to interact 536 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: with us. A lot of texts coming in, of course, 537 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: So over the last hour and a half. 538 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: As we've been on, we're gonna get ones. 539 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: I can't see the text line that some positive, I 540 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: mean mostly mostly hating you. 541 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: Its fun. 542 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: It's pretty difficult pre for that's fun. Why you lean 543 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: into it? Her hates the stance, man, you know, I laugh. 544 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: That's so unbelievably true. I leaves in my opinion. 545 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: So we'll get you back to the text line here 546 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: in a second. But again, the big news today Sean 547 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: Payton announcing that Davis Webb is now going to be 548 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: the play caller for the Broncos at least this upcoming season. 549 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: Certainly there's gonna be some times where I think Sean 550 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: is going to take over the reins. But one of 551 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: the things I've been thinking about is how much did 552 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: bo Nix maybe have an impact on this decision. 553 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: And here's what Sean had to say. 554 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 5: No, it wasn't that, because look, we finished tenth this 555 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 5: year and we had a good team. There's certainly things 556 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 5: that we want to be better at, but it's also 557 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 5: being quicker. And look, it's only if there's someone that 558 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,239 Speaker 5: you feel like is good enough to do that, you know, 559 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 5: and he'll have that opportunity. And like I said, having 560 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 5: done this before, I can recall how it was, and 561 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 5: I'm sure there's going to be times where I said, 562 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 5: this is what I want to run or so, but 563 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 5: there's trust there. There's trust with his ability and trust 564 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 5: in our relationship. 565 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: This kind of part of the time, no, no, okay. 566 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: And then no one more here here's Sean And what 567 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: changes now that he's in a CEO role. 568 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 2: I don't know. 569 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 5: I think that, like I said, sometimes you feel like 570 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 5: your hand's empty because you're used to doing it, you know, 571 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 5: for twenty some years. But I think overall it'll slow 572 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 5: down a little bit. You'll see more of the game. 573 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 5: But I know that there's a lot of prior to 574 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 5: the game prep when you're calling one side of the 575 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 5: ball or the other. And so I know there's philosophy 576 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 5: some people believe in order to I think all methods 577 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 5: work all right, Historically speaking, all methods work. 578 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: You can be it's our. 579 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,239 Speaker 5: First defensive play caller to win a Super Bowl, did 580 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 5: a great job. We've had offensive and so I don't 581 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 5: look at it that way as much as just it's 582 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 5: always looking at your own resources. 583 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: There you go. 584 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: So that is gonna be a little bit of an 585 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: interesting transition for Sean. 586 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 2: I think early on not knowing exactly what to do 587 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: with some of those moments. 588 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: I think he'll settle into it though, a little bit, 589 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: and again he thinks it's better for the team. I 590 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: imagine he doesn't make this move, and we talked about 591 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: the scenarios of whether ownership had any kind of lean 592 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: into this. 593 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 2: He's not making this. 594 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: Move without their assessment of it as well. Like one way, 595 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: the other ownership is very well aware that this was 596 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: coming and this decision happened. So I imagine everybody ultimately 597 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: on board with it one way or the other. 598 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think Bo was probably in support 599 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: of this, you know. 600 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 3: I think I think a lot of people have kind 601 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: of been pushing for this for a while. 602 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: And we'll, you know, we'll see how it goes. 603 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: I think I think I will definitely credit Sean Payton 604 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: in saying that, you know, at the end of the day, 605 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: making this decision, whether there was a nudge or not, 606 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: does come down to him, and you know, getting out 607 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 3: of your own way sometimes this is a. 608 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: Difficult thing to do. 609 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: This is an interesting text, and I have a few 610 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: things I want to say about it, but I'll go 611 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: ahead and read. 612 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: It to you and I'm sure you'll have your own reaction. 613 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: We were talking about the players that George Peyton drafted 614 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: before Sean Payton got here, that remained on the roster. 615 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: Says I wonder why those players suddenly looked better once 616 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: they got to play under Sean Payton and his staff. 617 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: Well, they didn't. 618 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: Suddenly looked better. I mean they just grew, right, These 619 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 3: players just kind of came. They grew, They came into 620 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 3: their own. They got better because they get better. That's 621 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: how it works, right, You start off and you're here 622 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: and you get better as you go. 623 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: It's not like Pats or Tan was terrible or anything else. 624 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: He just grew. Benito grew. 625 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 3: Part of that is having a coach like Vance Joseph 626 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: being able to do that. What offensive player are you 627 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 3: saying that suddenly did that slightly cord of Sutton is 628 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: any better or worse than he ever was. Garrett Bowles 629 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: had been on an upward trajectory for quite some time. 630 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 3: Who specific clear we saying that got appreciably better on 631 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 3: the offensive side of the ball. 632 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: I mean, the texture obviously doesn't include that. 633 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: They're just talking about something that I think, in some 634 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: ways I agree with that coaching matters, like the good dogs. 635 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: Good coaching does separate teams that have average rosters or 636 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: even good rosters. If you have good coaching, it can 637 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: elevate players. So that part we agree with. 638 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 2: I think the tone of that text is. 639 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: More so not giving George any credit for adding the 640 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: players that he did. Talented players suck around on a 641 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: roster with a new coaching staff because they're talented players. 642 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: Like I think, it's a very simple concept that we 643 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: really shouldn't have to argue about. 644 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: If Sewan didn't like the. 645 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: Players that George drafted before he got here, I guarantee 646 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: they would not have been here for his next iteration, 647 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: let alone get extensions while Sean was the head coach, 648 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: Patser Tan Quinn Miners, these are all guys that got 649 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: extensions while Shawn has been here, Nick Benito another guy 650 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: that got extension, while Sewan has been here. So this 651 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: argument of well, you know, Sean Payton is sort of 652 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: the alpha in the omega. This entire conversation, like any 653 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: anything that happened before Seawan was crap, and everything after 654 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: Sewan is awesome. 655 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 2: It's like, well, that's that's silly. 656 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's ridiculous. I think Sean Payton is a credit 657 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: to the team. I think he has raised the flat 658 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: like he can't like again. 659 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: And I hate to keep going back to the same example. 660 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: You had a disaster of the head coach before, right, 661 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: It's the same thing when when John Fox got here 662 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 3: after Josh McDaniels, he had a disaster of the head 663 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 3: coach and you had to have somebody who had had 664 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 3: the experience come back in here, established championship caliber, culture, 665 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 3: raised the bar on that and Sean. 666 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 2: Payton's done that. 667 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: I again, I want to credit him for those things. 668 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 3: But at the same time you're also talking about the 669 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: flip side of that. A guy who got one Super Bowl, 670 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: Drew Brees, you know, a guy who has has frankly 671 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: the reputation on him is suspens. 672 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 2: Had some weird playoff jokes. That's that's kind of you know, 673 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 2: the rep and so you know, I think Sean Payton 674 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: is one of the premier play designers out there, but I. 675 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 3: Agree with some of these people who have been whispering 676 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 3: loudly that the game has sort of passed him by 677 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 3: in some areas and having the whatever you want to 678 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 3: call it, leadership, self awareness, whatever you want to call 679 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 3: to be able to pass that off to a younger 680 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: guy who looks. 681 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: Like an up and comer. I want to make sure 682 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: we give him credit for that. 683 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: The texture jumped back in, said Corland Sutton. I want 684 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 1: to make sure I say this right. Corland said has 685 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 1: been dramatically better under Sean Payton. 686 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: I'll push back a little bit. 687 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, of course, he's had back to back one 688 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: thousand yard seasons, which is very nice, but hef and 689 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: had a quarterback to could throw the ball. But he 690 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: showed the capability of doing that already in his career. 691 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, he had seventy two catches for one 692 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: and twelve yards. That was a career high, and he 693 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: had six touchdowns during that season. Now he's had greater 694 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: touchdown performances. I guess over Shawn. He had ten touchdowns 695 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three with Russ he had eight lat 696 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty four and in seven last year. 697 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: So now he's been good. 698 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: But this whole idea that that Corland Sutton sort of 699 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: unlocked as a good play once Seawan got here, I 700 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: don't know about that. I think that we've seen what 701 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: Cortland Sutton can be at his best and the consistency, Now, 702 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: I'll give you give you this and again, coaching matters. 703 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: So this isn't me saying that Sean isn't absolutely improving 704 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: Cortland Sutton. 705 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: He improves a lot of the players on this roster. 706 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: It's to say that the consistency that we can hope 707 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: to get out of Courland Sutton year in a year out, 708 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: there is something to what Seawn, what good coaching can 709 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: bring for a player to let them arrive or get 710 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: them to that position every year. 711 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a little bit different when you're 712 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 3: throwing the ball in the Nate hack At offense or 713 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: with you know whoever else throwing the football. Drew Lock 714 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 3: whatever it was, you know, he was hurt for a year. 715 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: But I mean Cortland in twenty nineteen and are and 716 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: twenty four targets. That's that's the thing is he's getting 717 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: more targets with Sean Baton. He had one hundred, twenty 718 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 3: four targets this year. He got two more catches this 719 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: year than he got in twenty nineteen. Twentyeen he had 720 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: seventy two catches twenty twenty five agets, seventy four catches, 721 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: except he had like one hundred more yards in twenty nineteen, 722 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 3: you know, And so I mean the he's just get 723 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 3: more targets we got because Sean Payton's offense naturally has 724 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 3: more targets in it. 725 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: That's a part of the thing. It's this, you know, 726 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: the Drew Brees thing. People try to you know, uh, 727 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: try to say that Sean Payton. 728 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: Is the guy who you know who groomed Drew Brees. No, 729 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: it was Brian Shoheim or Pete Carmichael there. And with 730 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 3: the Chargers, they just played a Marty Schottenheimer offense where 731 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 3: they only got to throw the ball three hundred times, 732 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 3: and he gets to New Orleans, he gets throw the 733 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 3: ball six hundred times a year. 734 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: Well, of course, the numbers went up on a per 735 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: play basis. They're about the same a couple hours for us. 736 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: We got another one to go. 737 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: We're walking to the State of the Union, so we 738 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: got another hour of well Roccos Country tonight. 739 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: It's coming up at the top of the hour. But 740 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: Ben and I are going to be with you, So 741 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: I don't know how I was to say that, Ben, 742 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: we'll switch seats. I'll do the driving. You can be 743 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: the other guy whatever that's called. What was my role 744 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: called right now? Isn't that what Sean Payton. 745 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: Calls the guy guy who surfs his phone joker in 746 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: segments while I'm talking to the top of his head. 747 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. Can I do that? Sure? I just 748 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: sit here and stare down and then absolutely come to you. 749 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: Are you able to answer my questions when I when 750 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: I pitched them to you. 751 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I can do a response for 752 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: you to argue. Do you actually do that? 753 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: Well? 754 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: I do think that the audience didn't know what till 755 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: I just said that. Sure. 756 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, that's my except for the ones that they're 757 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 3: interacting with me on. 758 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: Twitter as you're tweeting with them and arguing with them. 759 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, again, I say favorite, it's it's actually no, it's 760 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: my least favorite, but my favorite things is watching your 761 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: your eyebrow furrow as you get into this argument. 762 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: Somebody twit Twitter face. 763 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have Twitter face where if somebody like I'll 764 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: read a tweet and I'll get super annoyed by it 765 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 3: and I have a face that I make. 766 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: You have a face? 767 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, idiot, speaking of faces, because I don't even know 768 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 4: how you're gonna respond to this text, but I'm. 769 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: Gonna read it to you anyways. 770 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: Okay, Ben, I know you've been talking about some rubblings 771 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: about a couple of free agent targets for the Broncos. 772 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: But is there a deal in place for one of 773 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: them right now at the combine? 774 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: But you can't say who. Sorry, I don't be to laugh. 775 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: No, the Broncos are not going to give me information 776 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 3: to come on the radio and legally and tell them 777 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 3: that they've been a tell everyone they've been I legally tampering, 778 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: like I've already gotten two franchises in trouble for that. 779 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: So yeah, there's only so much again rumblings or whatever. 780 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: And I've I've done enough of these combines with you 781 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: to know that stuff gets around. 782 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: You know, there's there's discussions and there's guys, Hey, the Broncos. 783 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: You know, you'll find out maybe through back channels, not 784 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: from the Broncos, but hey, the Broncos have been talking 785 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: to whatever, and you know, whether a deal or the 786 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: framing of a deal may be in place. We know 787 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: that's happening out here, and it's usually with the agents 788 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 1: behind the scenes because and then the reason you know 789 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: this is just logic because once we get to a 790 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: week from yesterday or two weeks from yesterday, when it's 791 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: the soft opening of the league gear right, it's the 792 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: legal tampering period, and all of a sudden, these contracts 793 00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: are all announced in Unison. 794 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: Well there's a reason for that. 795 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, let me let me I'll go back to last 796 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 3: year a little bit. And then you know you were 797 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 3: there for part of this, right, uh that we we 798 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: were out and I got a conversation with somebody when 799 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: new the Broncos were maybe sniffing around pooon a Ford. 800 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking, you know. 801 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: So there's ultimately wound up going to the Chargers and 802 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: you know, and all that kind of stuff. It was 803 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 3: before DJ's on the extension and they were they were 804 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 3: the Broncos were looking at options and then that kind 805 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: of stuff. 806 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: That's what I'll say is like, yeah, there's some players. 807 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: I could probably tell you that in terms of like 808 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 3: they're looking at these things, but that doesn't necessarily mean 809 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 3: they'll happen, like, for instance, put Afford went to the 810 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 3: Chargers and not the Broncos. But I've already I've got 811 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: two franchise tw NFL franchise in trouble for tampling before. 812 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: I don't think I want to go for a third. 813 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: No, And so I guess the long winded answer to 814 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: that question is I'm sorry I declined answer at this time. 815 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: Five six six zero is our Kai Commas Burrell text line. 816 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: Let's see we get one more text in here, and 817 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: you guys keep texting word to be on for another 818 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: hour with you As we're walking up from the State 819 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,479 Speaker 1: of the Union by the way to the little programming note, 820 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: we had an exclusive sit down with Broncos GM George Payton. 821 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: Well, we run that Broncos country to night hour. Literally, 822 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 2: I'm saying, well, who's driving here? 823 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 3: I am like two more minutes. You know what, you 824 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 3: need to put your foot on the gas. It's all gas, 825 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 3: no brakes on this highway edwards is that. 826 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 2: How you you've been drive your driving. You've been gone 827 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 2: from Broncos country today too long. I'll learn you it's fine. 828 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 2: I'll show you the ropes. That's been right as a professionals, 829 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 2: as a professional driver, somebody that's been doing this. We're 830 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 2: doing this several you have, you know, yes, several years. 831 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 2: That's a father. 832 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: It's as well as you heard Ben, as you heard 833 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: Ben stomping all over me, we're gonna hear from George 834 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: Peyton coming up here at the top of the hour, 835 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: our exclusive sit down with him. 836 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 3: Maybe we'll see okay, you might loot around, just keep 837 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 3: you on your toes.