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Speaker 1: to the second hour of the today's edition of the

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Speaker 1: Bumper to Bumper program. Berrero Guardsy and Kevin Seffert is

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Speaker 1: still in studio with us.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of speed skating tradition, Texter Daniel sent this to

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Speaker 2: me earlier. The zenith of speed skating in Minnesota was

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Speaker 2: during the thirties, forties and fifties, and the location was

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Speaker 2: Powderhorn Lake at powder Horn Park in Minneapolis. Olympics speed

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Speaker 2: skating trials were held there in nineteen thirty six nineteen

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Speaker 2: forty In nineteen forty eight, we need to update a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Why I know I mean, that's a long

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Speaker 2: long time ago. However, more recently, Seaffert reminds me of

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Speaker 2: a speed skating name correct Minnetaka's own.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Randy Barts. He was on.

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Speaker 4: I think it was the ninety four Olympics when they

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Speaker 4: in the five thousand meter relay they got the silver medal.

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Speaker 4: And so he's a local Minnesota born in bred, came

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Speaker 4: back here, still lives here in Minnetaka.

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Speaker 3: I think he did some TV work in.

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Speaker 4: Future Olympics after the ninety four because there's probably about

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Speaker 4: seven people in the world who know it well enough

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Speaker 4: to be able to explain what's happening and to explain

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Speaker 4: to the announcers what's happening.

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Speaker 3: And so, yeah, he's one of us ninety four Lily

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Speaker 3: Hammer Games.

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Speaker 1: And he was born in Roseville, probably in the shadow

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Speaker 1: of the Roseville Oval.

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Speaker 3: It must have been covered. Did you cover Roy was

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Speaker 3: ninety four? Lila Hummer? Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 1: He probably knows him then, Yeah, And he was chasing

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Speaker 1: down Nancy and Tanya that Olympics.

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Speaker 3: He probably wasn't. He wasn't hanging out at the oval.

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Speaker 3: There was there's.

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Speaker 2: A nothing better to cover. There's several Olympics. Was all

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Speaker 2: that nonsense.

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Speaker 3: That was the best.

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Speaker 4: I could be wrong, but there's there's a there's definitely

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Speaker 4: an Olympics documentary and I thought it was the Kragan

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Speaker 4: Tanya Harding one. Yeah, they show a press conference and

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Speaker 4: there's much younger Royce.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can see it. Was it the Carrigan press conference? Yes, yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's one of them. And shockingly he was laughing during it.

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Speaker 2: So that was all that figure skating was well, it

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Speaker 2: had I mean it almost felt like every four years

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Speaker 3: Well that's it, and that's what I live for. Ye,

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Speaker 3: that's a lot of it.

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Speaker 4: That's why where they were newspaper columnists in those days.

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Speaker 4: That's very, very true.

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Speaker 2: Davy questions for Seaffert because we've covered a lot of

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Speaker 2: quarterback stuff, but I do want to explore some other areas.

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Speaker 2: Six four six eighty six is the bratch On Bryant

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Speaker 2: this is an interesting, uh accusation or observation. Lafleur is

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Speaker 2: more of a quarterback whisperer than Koc. The proof is.

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Speaker 3: Malik Willis. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean there's no doubt like they there was

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Speaker 4: no If people remember, I think the Packers two years ago,

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Speaker 4: It was so bad they had to go out and

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Speaker 4: it was Malik Willis is who they signed. And when

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Speaker 4: it was just assumed that they were just going to

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Speaker 2: I've got an area away from the quarterback thing that

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Speaker 2: theories that's been advanced regarding the general manager change is that, well,

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Speaker 2: if you make that decision and you fire him and

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Speaker 2: keep all the scouts in place, who he allegedly deferred

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Speaker 4: I mean I still think, yeah, I think things can

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Speaker 4: never going to assemble enough a decent enough group to

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Speaker 3: So you pretty much had to do it.

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Speaker 4: But Quaisy was still, you know, the decision making and

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Speaker 4: so he and he even talked about at one point

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Speaker 4: he kind of acknowledged that it took him probably longer

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Speaker 4: to take that advice, you know, punch the button when

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Speaker 4: when someone says, hey, this is a good player or

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Speaker 4: this is the guy we should draft, and knowing when

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Speaker 4: to ask for more information, and knowing when the information

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Speaker 4: or when to move down or when to move down

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Speaker 4: or not to Maybe maybe that was one of the

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Speaker 4: now being shifted to mostly to Rob Razinski.

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Speaker 3: And so even.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, regardless of what information that is in front of you,

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Speaker 4: everybody can look at information differently and make a different

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Speaker 4: final word. And so there's lots of different ways that

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Speaker 4: the same information can lead to different decisions. And I

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Speaker 4: think that's uh why I would not I pushed back

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Speaker 4: the same thing as if they hadn't fired him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're the if you're still the guy putting

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Speaker 2: it together, there's a lot of different ways it's still you.

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Speaker 2: And you've got to decide when you're going to defer

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Speaker 4: I mean that the scouts are not giving you a

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Speaker 4: they're just they're giving you evaluations and then you have

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Speaker 2: Why are the Italians changing goaltenders?

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Speaker 3: What did I miss? Garzi? Honestly, I'm not watching. I'm

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Speaker 3: a confiding the Olympics. It's the Winter Olympics. It's a

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Speaker 3: it's a game, It's Sweden. It's I'm America first, I'll watch,

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Speaker 3: it's America. What is it? What does this goalie do?

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Speaker 3: Is this still warm up? Warm up?

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Speaker 2: I sense maybe the other goalie got hurt or something,

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Speaker 2: because this was very sudden. Unless did they just scored it?

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Speaker 2: Did Sweden just score like five straight goals or something.

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Speaker 2: Let's see what the score is, it's still three to two,

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Speaker 2: but they did make a goalie change. In the men's

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Speaker 2: hockey competition, US starts tomorrow, correct, I think our first

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Speaker 2: game is tomorrow on the men's side.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not mistaken. Are you more?

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Speaker 2: Would you classify yourself given this matchup? Are you more

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Speaker 2: of a Swedish meatballs guy or an Italian meatballs guy?

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Speaker 3: Would you say if you're forced, I definitely Italian.

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Speaker 4: It amazes me how many people, and this is going

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Speaker 4: to just be bad, but how many people go to

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Speaker 4: Ikea for the Swedish meatballs in the cafeteria.

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Speaker 3: Are you one of those guys? I don't know I've

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Speaker 3: ever gone. AKA just don't think I can say.

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Speaker 2: I believe you know, my memory is not great all

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Speaker 3: Well, there's like tracks, yeah, because the rest.

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Speaker 4: Have to bring the right yeah track, Yeah, for sure,

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Speaker 4: I think you could pay somebody. But no, that's there's

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Speaker 4: like a lot of like there's this like underground cult

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Speaker 4: the kind of it's not.

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Speaker 3: The most expensive place in the world. No, it's good value.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like when you go to a casino

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Speaker 4: and the beer is like ninety nine cents because they

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Speaker 4: you know, they're trying to draw you in with that,

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Speaker 3: You buy for a thousand a couple. But at least

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Speaker 3: you got get a bargain on the meat.

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Speaker 4: You've got Swedish meatballs for three ninety nine, and so

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Speaker 3: Least you can feel gross while you're assembling.

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Speaker 4: I am more power to all the people who really

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Speaker 2: I for many years subsisted on boil bags, Stuffer's boil

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Speaker 3: They still make it. Oh yeah, it's tremendous. So what

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's good for you anymore. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how to decide. Heell me processing, Well, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of sodium, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess i'd have to be RFK the third

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Speaker 3: because yeah, that's true. Isn't he RFK Junior? He's our

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Speaker 3: in the front one? Yeah? Exactly it, that's true. All right.

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Speaker 2: If I left the table wide open for you on

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Speaker 2: something else fightings related, it has nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: the quarterback situation, I'd say, let's explore it.

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Speaker 3: What's on your mind? What else do we need?

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Speaker 2: Because there's obviously a lot of other open questions and

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Speaker 2: answered elsewhere. So where else would you begin?

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Speaker 4: So I'm writing this week, and I'll give you a preview,

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Speaker 4: there's while the attention on the quarterback is totally you know,

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Speaker 4: fair and and placed. Well, the another big thing that

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Speaker 4: out from multiple bad drafts basically and so like, and

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Speaker 4: we've been talking about this for years here and writing

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Speaker 4: about it as well, that you it's just not sustainable

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Speaker 4: But that's where it, you know, specifically is coming home

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Speaker 2: This is from lawyer Tom. Why hasn't there been more

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Speaker 4: Well, they fired the offensive line coach, so they addressed

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Speaker 4: You know, JJ McCarthy, if you look at his injuries,

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Speaker 4: Now they're I mean, I would say their line is better.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't happen every year, but this year certainly wasn't.

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Speaker 2: By the way, is should we rule out once as

440
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Speaker 2: the second guy.

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Speaker 4: In terms of maybe like if if there was a

442
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Speaker 4: wish list, I wouldn't say he'd be near the top.

443
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Speaker 4: I think we saw basically what you're gonna get out

444
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Speaker 4: of him, and it wasn't terrible. No, but they I

445
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Speaker 4: think that they will start shooting. You know, they would

446
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Speaker 4: at least likely start shooting higher than what he would represent.

447
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Speaker 2: Lastly, this is Paul in big Lake. I've never heard

448
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Speaker 2: Koc take any heat for the Darrisaw injury. You may

449
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Speaker 2: not remember this, but it occurred against the Rams regular

450
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Speaker 2: season game two seasons ago. Now, we were backed up

451
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Speaker 2: against your own goal line, very little time left the

452
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Speaker 2: first half game. Situation clearly and dictated taking a knee. Instead,

453
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Speaker 2: Koc decided to pass the ball and that's when Darisaw

454
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Speaker 2: was injured. I think we did explore it at the

455
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Speaker 2: time the debate, but no, it.

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Speaker 4: Was that's a fair discussion, and I would imagine that

457
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Speaker 4: he might have thought some of those things too. You know,

458
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Speaker 4: when you're the play caller, you think about all the consequences.

459
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Speaker 4: Did was there a likely consequence of calling that play? No,

460
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Speaker 4: because it was there was a I think a miss

461
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Speaker 4: block or something that that contributed to it and made

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Speaker 4: the running back go in a different direction. There was

463
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Speaker 4: some several things that don't often happen in combination that

464
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Speaker 4: led to him Christian dear saw even being near where

465
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Speaker 4: the ball was, and so that it was I mean, certainly,

466
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Speaker 4: in hindsight you can say, well, if they had just

467
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Speaker 4: run the ball out that time, you know, just not

468
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Speaker 4: tried to not try to play offense, they you know,

469
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Speaker 4: right before the half, they would he wouldn't have gotten hurt.

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Speaker 4: But I and I think there's some scrutiny there, and

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Speaker 4: I think probably from Kevin O'Connell as well.

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Speaker 2: We do we feel like he's okay now? Or is

473
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Speaker 2: that an open question too?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I like I asked again, we talked about

475
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Speaker 4: all bets are off. I asked Quacy about that in

476
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Speaker 4: his end of season thing, and he basically said, like,

477
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Speaker 4: we're going to have to have a better insurance. I

478
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Speaker 4: don't know if the insurance was the word to use,

479
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Speaker 4: but essentially he meant that. And I don't know how

480
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Speaker 4: you couldn't. You know, they keep saying he's healthy, he's fine.

481
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Speaker 4: You know, this was not a long term thing. We

482
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Speaker 4: fully expect, you know, this to him to get over

483
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Speaker 4: the hump. But the fact of the matter is the

484
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Speaker 4: injury happened in October of twenty twenty four and in

485
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Speaker 4: December of twenty twenty five, he's basically getting shelved for

486
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Speaker 4: the season, and so something has to get better than

487
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Speaker 4: it was, or I mean, you can't just the difficulty

488
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Speaker 4: of of not the primary thing, but the difficulty of

489
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Speaker 4: even coming up with a game plan in terms of

490
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Speaker 4: your blocking scheme. You're you know where you're gonna like

491
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Speaker 4: line people up in terms of tight ends, or who's

492
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Speaker 4: going to have to help if you don't know if

493
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Speaker 4: Christian Derriso is playing in a given week, Like that's

494
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Speaker 4: hard because no team in the NFL has a tight

495
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Speaker 4: a number two left tackle that's going to be able

496
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Speaker 4: to do the same things as their number one left

497
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Speaker 4: tackle unless their number one left tackle is terrible and

498
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Speaker 4: so frankly and so uh, it had a lot of

499
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Speaker 4: downstream effects and I can't imagine they want to go

500
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Speaker 4: through that, uh, and I don't I doubt Christian wants

501
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Speaker 4: to go through that again.

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Speaker 3: And so that will have to get figured out.

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Speaker 4: But at the very least, I think they'll need to

504
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Speaker 4: come up with a better option than what they end

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Speaker 4: up having to go to.

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Speaker 3: If that exists out there.

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Speaker 2: Well I'll be honest with you, Jeff and Monticello's he's

508
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Speaker 2: unhappy with you.

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Speaker 3: What did I do? Yes, you did discuss that.

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Speaker 2: Jeff and Monticello brought that up the day after, and

511
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Speaker 2: he you pooh pooed it at the time. Did you

512
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Speaker 2: which darre saw on the decision to not take a

513
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Speaker 2: knee in that?

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Speaker 3: Well?

515
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Speaker 4: I probably did you know, because I I mean it,

516
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Speaker 4: like I said, if it felt like it was a

517
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Speaker 4: it was a series of events that occurred that you

518
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Speaker 4: wouldn't necessarily think were likely to happen, and there was

519
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Speaker 4: a very small chance of it.

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Speaker 3: And so does does it deserve scrutiny? Yes? Does he

521
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Speaker 3: deserve to be run out of town? No, he hasn't

522
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Speaker 3: forgotten it. Well, that's fair.

523
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Speaker 4: The listeners never forget. They should hold us account of readers.

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Speaker 4: They should readers that readers. We try to hold the

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Speaker 4: coaches and players accountable.

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Speaker 2: Occasionally we don't do good job of it, if you

527
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Speaker 2: read your spot line, but we try, and so people

528
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: should absolutely try to keep us accountable as well. Enjoy

529
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Speaker 2: the balmy weather heading our way, beautiful to fifty I

530
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Speaker 2: think by later in the week.

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Speaker 3: Right sit on the porch. It's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, okay, Kevin seaffert eesp N dot com Kessler

533
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Speaker 2: in about one. Yeah, guards you time to queue up

534
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Speaker 2: the Winter Olympics music again. It will be a very

535
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Speaker 2: busy day. I can tell that might as well.

536
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Speaker 3: Milk it.

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Speaker 2: Saveeen has set a record, and it's the game is

538
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Speaker 2: still going. Mint it now for most shots on goal

539
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Speaker 2: in Olympic history, as in Olympic history when the NHL

540
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Speaker 2: players are involved, sixty count them sixty shots on goal

541
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Speaker 2: against Italy.

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Speaker 3: They finally pull away. They lead now five to.

543
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Speaker 2: Two in the closing minutes or closing now seconds of

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Speaker 2: that preliminary game. First round game us men start tomorrow afternoon.

545
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Speaker 2: I think against Latvia sounds right. I believe that is

546
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Speaker 2: our first game. And speaking of the Winter Olympics, have

547
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Speaker 2: you seen this one? Some of these it just doesn't

548
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Speaker 2: even seem possible. An athlete convicted of committing credit card

549
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Speaker 2: fraud against one of her national teammates has won an

550
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Speaker 2: Olympic gold medal for Fronce in women's fifteen kilometer biathlon,

551
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Speaker 2: beating her victim to do it. Julius Simon twenty nine

552
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Speaker 2: handed a fifteen thousand euros fine and a three month

553
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Speaker 2: suspended sentence last October after she was found to have

554
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Speaker 2: spent more than two thousand euros on two thousand year

555
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: card details belonging to teammate Justine Brase's bouchet, also twenty nine,

556
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Speaker 2: who finished eightieth in the same race, and to add

557
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: insult to injury. As the winner, the gold medal winner

558
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: crosses the finish line, she puts her index finger to

559
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Speaker 2: her mouth, as if as in to shush somebody. She

560
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Speaker 2: is saying, let me say, I can find the quote here.

561
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: I put my finger to my mouth. It was for

562
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Speaker 2: one person, and they know who because we had a talk.

563
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Speaker 2: But I won't tell any more about it. It is over.

564
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Speaker 2: How about that backstory? You get nailed on a credit

565
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Speaker 2: card fraud case. But in the end, so you and

566
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Speaker 2: you got a teammate who was the victim. You win

567
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Speaker 2: the gold medal in her event, and she finishes eightieth.

568
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Speaker 2: Now she couldn't be shushing her, could she?

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Speaker 3: Maybe? Oh my god? Then that's.

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Speaker 2: That's deep, right, that's got a story that I don't

571
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Speaker 2: hear so much. You can't make that up. That kind

572
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Speaker 2: of thing happens. A third member of the French team,

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Speaker 2: lou Jamin Jaminol won the silver. Simon, the winner, explained

574
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Speaker 2: at the time that she found her actions incomprehensible and

575
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Speaker 2: that she was working with a psychologist to understand what happened.

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00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: Crimes are committed in twenty twenty one, but only came

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Speaker 2: to light later after Simon had won the first of

578
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Speaker 2: her ten World Championship titles. So, I mean that's if

579
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Speaker 2: you're if you're a sports columnist for what would be

580
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Speaker 2: the Paris newspaper that would come to minds whatever it is,

581
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Speaker 2: this is gold you're going. You can't ask for better

582
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: elements to put together in the column. I mean you can't.

583
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: You can't blow that one. That column rights itself, doesn't it.

584
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Speaker 2: Simon refused to talk about the conviction, or a ban

585
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Speaker 2: or anything except for gold Metal. I'm just focused on

586
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Speaker 2: my sport. It's the thing I love the most. I

587
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: had a goal, put all my energy into it. Yes,

588
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Speaker 2: it was a difficult month that today was the perfect

589
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Speaker 2: result for me. It feels like.

590
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Speaker 3: A dream.

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Speaker 2: More background. Last year, one of her team mates was

592
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Speaker 2: this the one who got who was the victim? What's

593
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Speaker 2: the name of the victim? No, I think this is

594
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Speaker 2: a third person. This is going to be like a

595
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Speaker 2: It's gonna end up being a streamable series. One of

596
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Speaker 2: the teammates revealed she had received death threats from a

597
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Speaker 2: gambler who was furious about losses linked to her performances,

598
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Speaker 2: and another another member of the French team competing of

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Speaker 2: these games, Jean Richard, was briefly excluded from the national

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Speaker 2: squad after she was accused of tampering with a gun

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Speaker 2: belonging to one of her teammates. This is a bathlon,

602
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Speaker 2: remember that's I mean, how it's going to be a series,

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Speaker 2: isn't That's going to have to That's another one I

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Speaker 2: knew nothing about till today. In fact, kudos to a

605
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Speaker 2: listener and a very drop listener who dropped this in

606
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Speaker 2: had us look the thing up as as well.

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Speaker 1: I watched the Mikaela Schiffrin moguls last night. By the way,

608
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Speaker 1: where she faded, it just was she was the tarico

609
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Speaker 1: said she was of the eighteen that went.

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Speaker 2: She had the fifteenth past time. It's inexplicable.

611
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Speaker 1: And then they went back, you know, they go back

612
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Speaker 1: to like the host house and the other American pair

613
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Speaker 1: ended up winning a medal or another American pair ended

614
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Speaker 1: up winning a medal, which apparently was big time, like

615
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: one of them has been in forever, and Mikayla was

616
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Speaker 1: giving essentially a toast to them and saying, no better

617
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Speaker 1: way to finish this for you, We're so proud or

618
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Speaker 1: so happy for you. She kind of looked over to

619
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Speaker 1: her teammate, who she completely let down, was like, I'm sorry,

620
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: we couldn't get it done, and then moved to the

621
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Speaker 1: toast and so she was like smiling and happy, and

622
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Speaker 1: this other teammate you could tell was.

623
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Speaker 3: Just like bitter.

624
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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot. Wow, Yeah, trying to like gut through it.

625
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's happy for her teammates, but she's like,

626
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm paired with Mikayla Shiffern and I can't win,

627
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: I can't get a medal.

628
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Speaker 3: Well, it's just devastating.

629
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Speaker 2: Yesterday she this just follows a pattern for Shiver and

630
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Speaker 2: it just has not gone well, everything but the Olympics.

631
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Speaker 2: She's tremendous. Yeah, and the Olympics has just been an

632
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Speaker 2: utter and complete first has any more events? Yeah she does, Yeah,

633
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Speaker 2: she I think she does. But after the first.

634
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Speaker 1: One where she won gold somewhere, yeah, Yeah, it's been

635
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: it's been all downhill, a little messy pretty much ever since.

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Speaker 3: That's for sure?

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Speaker 1: Can I give the grand in your hands? I missed

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641
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642
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643
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll get caught up. I've got one a

644
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Speaker 1: section item. We've got top five at five yet to

645
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Speaker 1: get to. I'm including I'm assuming a preview of the

646
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Speaker 1: Wolves last game before the All Star break tonight right

647
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Speaker 1: here on the fan, and then we'll prepare for Kessler

648
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Speaker 1: in the five o'clock hour.

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Speaker 2: Sweeteys guy has checked in. Sounds like that French gal

650
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: likes swiping gold.

651
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: Get it, likes swiping gold.

652
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: This is the mile you want a nightmare? Let me

653
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: tell you a story, oh boy. One evening last summer,

654
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Speaker 2: Donna Hughes Brown was handcuffed and led into a filthy

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Speaker 2: holding cell somewhere in Kentucky, where insects crawled out of

656
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Speaker 2: a drain and feces streaked the walls. The Missouri grandmother's

657
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: life had taken an unrecognizable turn. Days earlier, when federal

658
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Speaker 2: agents pulled her off an arriving flight at she Cargo's

659
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Speaker 2: O'Hare International Airport, arrested her and told her she'd be

660
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Speaker 2: deported for crime writing two bad checks for a combined

661
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Speaker 2: total of less than seventy five dollars more than a

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Speaker 2: decade before. Hughes Brown, a lawful permanent resident of the

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Speaker 2: United States since she was a child, would go on

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Speaker 2: to spend one hundred and forty three days almost five

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Speaker 2: months at attention. There was only released at the end

666
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Speaker 2: of last year after an immigrant an immigration judge granted

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Speaker 2: an application to stop her removal. Her story underscores just

668
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Speaker 2: how far the Trump administration is willing to go in

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Speaker 2: its quest to boost deportations, extending its dragnet to people

670
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Speaker 2: who are legally present in the country with minor offenses

671
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: from years earlier. In other words, the worst of the worst.

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Speaker 2: More details that will kind of curl your nosehars Hughes Brown,

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Speaker 2: fifty nine, as an Irish citizen and Green card holder

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Speaker 2: who immigrated to the United States with her parents in

675
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight. It's almost fifty years ago. Before last year,

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Speaker 2: she never imagined she would become a target of the

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Speaker 2: administration's clampdown. She believed that everyone should come to the

678
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Speaker 2: country legally, like she did now back home in small

679
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Speaker 2: town Missouri. Hughes Brown said she thinks constantly of the

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Speaker 2: women she left behind in detention. Hami, a twenty five

681
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: year old from Guatemala who is married to an American citizen, Grace,

682
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: a woman from Venezuela with a congenital heart condition, Bieta,

683
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: a Polish Green card holder with two convictions for minor

684
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: retail theft more than a decade ago. Her story and

685
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Speaker 2: echo of Hughes Brown, it was the intent for this

686
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Speaker 2: to happen to so many people. It doesn't really matter

687
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: how you got here, the end result is the same.

688
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: Her ordeal began last July, she made her first overseas

689
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: trip in almost a decade. Her aunt had died, so

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00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: Donna and her husband, Jim Brown, traveled to Ireland. They

691
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: gathered with family at a lighthouse overlooking an estuary as

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Speaker 2: they spread her aunts ashes. At the airport in Dublin,

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00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: Donna and Jim precleared. US Customs and immigration officers pulled

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Speaker 2: Donna aside to ask questions about her travel history. They

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Speaker 2: then let her proceed to her flight, but as the

696
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Speaker 2: plane was approaching Chicago's O'Hare on the return, the flight

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Speaker 2: attendant announced that all passengers would be required to show

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Speaker 2: their passports as they exited. Exiting the plane, she saw

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Speaker 2: armed officers waiting on the jet bridge and they were

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Speaker 2: there for her. After a night in the cell at O'Hare,

701
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Speaker 2: Donna received paperwork explaining why she'd been apprehended. Back in

702
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, she pleaded guilty to passing a bad check

703
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: the previous year, a misdemeanor. The check was for twenty

704
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: five bucks made out to something called Crazy Corner with Ks,

705
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Speaker 2: a gas station inconvenience store.

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Speaker 3: The time she was.

707
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: Leaving paycheck to paycheck, didn't realize the check.

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Speaker 3: Would bounce, she says.

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Speaker 2: After it did, court records confirm she paid restitution of

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Speaker 2: eighty dollars plus court fees of one hundred and seventeen bucks,

711
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: and served a year of probation. Stabilized our finances building

712
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: a career as a home healthcare aid. Certain that a

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Speaker 2: chapter was closed, However, the government was not done. They

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Speaker 2: also cited a separate twenty twelve misdemeanor. It's believable conviction

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Speaker 2: for passing a bad check. Records from that case are

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Speaker 2: not available to the public because the case was either

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Speaker 2: dismissed or expunged. A county official in Missouri set the government,

718
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Speaker 2: as number of people point out quoted in this Washington

719
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Speaker 2: Post piece, has an immense amount of discretion deciding whether

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Speaker 2: to exercise powers that are in place and whether to

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Speaker 2: detain someone. In the past, the sum would have been

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Speaker 2: the DHS would have exercised its discretion favorably in a

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Speaker 2: case like this. To assert that passing a bad check

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Speaker 2: more than a decade ago makes you unworthy of living

725
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: in the US, that's a policy decision, said one immigration attorney.

726
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: The average cost to house an ICE detainee per day

727
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty seven bucks, according to the most recent

728
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Speaker 2: figures available, and at that rate, detainee Hughes Brown has

729
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: cost taxpayers about twenty seven thousand dollars. Let's fast forward

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Speaker 2: to early August. Donna and several other detainees were handcuffed

731
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Speaker 2: and loaded into a van for a six hour drive

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Speaker 2: from Chicago's O'Hare to Campbell County Detention Center, a local

733
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Speaker 2: jail in Kentucky that also houses ICE detainees.

734
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Speaker 3: Four hundred miles from home.

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Speaker 2: She lived in a pod with dozens of other women,

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Speaker 2: sleeping on metal bunks with only a thin mat and

737
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Speaker 2: toilets that were clogged for days. One of the women

738
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Speaker 2: was Beeta Ankowitz, a lawful permanent resident from outside of

739
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 2: Chicago who has lived in the US since nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 2: Federal agents had arrested her at her daughter's house in

741
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: August told her they were launching deportation proceedings the reason

742
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Speaker 2: two misdemeanor cases for retail theft in two thousand and

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Speaker 2: five twenty eleven. Meanwhile, Donna's husband, Jim, he's doing everything

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Speaker 2: he can through all this to get her released. They

745
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: had met online, married seven years before building a life

746
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Speaker 2: in Serene see y r e n, a tiny town

747
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Speaker 2: south of Bowling Green, where they keep three horses and

748
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Speaker 2: are active in the church. In their church, after Hurricane Helene,

749
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Speaker 2: they twice filled a thirty foot horse trailer with supplies,

750
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Speaker 2: driving into North Carolina to.

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Speaker 3: Help disaster victims.

752
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: A combat veteran turned CT technologist, Jim describes himself as

753
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: a conservative Christian who voted for Trump in twenty twenty four.

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00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: He's not against immigration.

755
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: He grew up around migrant work in Texas, hard working

756
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: people who paid taxes into the system. When Donna was detained,

757
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: Jim wrote to every man member of Missouri's congressional delegation

758
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Speaker 2: to try to tell the story, see if anybody could intervene.

759
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 2: He struck out, but he got help from an unexpected place,

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00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: a representative out of Rhode Island, a Democrat who represents

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Speaker 2: Rhode Island, a guy named Seth. Seth Magazineer Magaziner brought

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Speaker 2: Jim to Washington to speak at a panel on Trump's

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Speaker 2: immigration crackdown. At the event, Jim was asked why he

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Speaker 2: had voted for Trump. He paused, because I was an idiot,

765
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Speaker 2: he answered. Partisan backlash has been swift, he says. Longtime

766
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Speaker 2: friends in the Ruby Red county where the couple lives

767
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: have turned their back on him because he dared to

768
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Speaker 2: criticize Trump. Meanwhile, more liberal neighbors have said his wife's

769
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: ordeal is a fitting consequence of his vote. Jim says,

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Speaker 2: my family and I have gotten hell from both sides.

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Speaker 2: In December, Magazine are also asked Homeland Security Secretary Christy

772
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Speaker 2: Nome about Donna's case during a hearing on Capitol Hill.

773
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: Trump administration claimed it would target the worst of the worst,

774
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Speaker 2: but no one understands how false that promise was, more

775
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: than Jim and Donna Brown, Magaziner said in a statement.

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Speaker 2: Months roll by, Donna spends two stints in an isolation

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Speaker 2: cell where the only book allowed was the Bible. She

778
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: was permitted an hour outside every other day. Her request

779
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: to be released on bond were rejected, but on December eighteenth,

780
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: after a hearing during which family members talked about how

781
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: devastating her deportation would be, the judge granted her application

782
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: to cancel removal proceedings, and DHS has since declined to

783
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: appeal the decision. She does not intend to take any chances.

784
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: Her passport and green card finally returned to her last week.

785
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: I'm not even getting close to the border, is what

786
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: she says. These days, she senses an awkwardness with friends.

787
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: They're sorry for what happened to her, but still support

788
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Speaker 2: the administration's efforts.

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00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: That's their right, she says.

790
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Speaker 2: She's not interested in cutting people off because they disagree

791
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: with her, but she does want to talk to them.

792
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: But how helpless she felt in her darkest moments and detention.

793
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: Labeled a criminal, locked away and unsure if she would

794
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: ever return to her life in Missouri. She's determined to

795
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: fight for the women she met there. I'm going to

796
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: keep on keeping on because it is not right. It

797
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: is not right. So there it is boys and girls.

798
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: That's what we're fighting over. That's the cause that is

799
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: so important, apparently to so many people, that we get

800
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Speaker 2: the worst of the worst. How can you listen? And

801
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Speaker 2: by the way, there are dozens of these stories. I

802
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: picked this one today. I had five others I printed out.

803
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Speaker 2: I stuck with this one because I thought it.

804
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Speaker 3: Resonated the most. What are we doing? How does this

805
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Speaker 3: make any sense?

806
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: It should make the least sense of all to old

807
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 2: fashioned conservatives. So let's government overreach. What are we doing?

808
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: How does this make sense? How do we win on

809
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,240
Speaker 2: any level going after individuals like that?

810
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Speaker 3: That's my done? Is a society for a day? Top

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Speaker 3: five to.

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Speaker 1: Five Wolve's final game before the break nas reed find

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Speaker 1: and you know when a player gets traded or someone

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Speaker 1: gets fired, you start to hear things about, wait, what

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Speaker 1: may have happened? I have I think one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite negatives about a player, and his name is Jonathan

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Speaker 1: kaminga that you just can't quite make up.

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Speaker 3: This is a good one. I'm glad you added this.

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