1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: The talk station eight o five here a fifty five 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: KRCD talk station. I'm very happy one. See if you 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: always made an extra special when we get what might 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: call my favorite hour of radio with Congressman Thomas Massey, 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: followed by Judge edit of Poulitano. Say what you want 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: about the judge. He's got his own opinions. He's entitled 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: to them. Welcome back, Congressman Thomas Massy. Say what you 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: want about Congressman Massy. I know Donald Trump says what 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: he wants about you, sir. It's great to have you 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: back on the program. Always a pleasure, my friend, great. 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: To be on. You know. Occasionally I get a mean 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: tweet from the President, but then I get about eighty 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a donation sent to my website every time. 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: That happens, mostly by people who like the President and 15 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: like me as well. 16 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: Right that, See, that's me. Although I don't I haven't, 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: you know, submitted to fealty to Donald Trump. I do 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: have my occasional criticisms of him, and I'm entitled to them. 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: I do share your profound appreciation and respect for the 20 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: ultimate law of the way, which is the Constitution. I've 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: got a lot of questions legal and otherwise about some 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: of the things Donald Trump has done. And you know, 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: we're entitled to have these discussions because it does exist 24 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: within a discussion of the Constitution and what the Constitution 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: allows and does not allow. But you know, I can 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: really appreciate you, but also appreciate the work that Donald 27 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: Trump has done, because he's got a lot accomplished for 28 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: the good of all the humanity in the United States 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: since he took office. So you just can't step out 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: of line with him. When you're a politician, you're not 31 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: allowed to suggest something independent of his idea. 32 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: I vote with the party ninety one percent of the time. 33 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: I'm almost embarrassed to tell you I do it that 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: many times. Yeah, it's the nine percent where they're bankrupting 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: the company or starting another war or trying to cover 36 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: up for pedophiles where I disagree with the party, and 37 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: then I get in trouble for taking the other path, 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: which is the constitutional path or the path of transfer. 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: Well, it's never the path of the Democrats necessarily, Although 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: going over to the Epstein files, this has been a 41 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: real puzzler fort literally everyone. We can go through the 42 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: brief history of it. Donald Trump even campaigned on getting 43 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: the Epstein files out there. The Democrats were in power 44 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: under Joe Biden. They could have released them during that 45 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: entire period of time, because they were sitting in a 46 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: back room somewhere. They didn't lift a finger to release them. 47 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: Donald Trump gets selected, he then sort of does a 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: one to eighty and says no, no, there's nothing to 49 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: see there. And then the Democrats immediately say, well, Donald 50 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: Trump doesn't want to release them, so we all want 51 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: to release them, resulting in your discharge petition because you 52 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: know that we are entitled to see the Epstein files. 53 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: And then everyone, with a notable few exceptions, House and 54 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: Senate votes to release the Epstein files. Congressman Thomas Messey, 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: he did sign that piece of legislation. It was the law, 56 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: or it is the law of the land that those 57 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: documents were supposed to have been produced already. Am I wrong? 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: You're correct. The President signed my bill which said that 59 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: the Steam files were due by December nineteenth. We're almost 60 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: we're a month past that date, and they've released like 61 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: maybe one percent of the files and things, and the 62 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 2: files that they're releasing are not the files that we need. 63 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: We've told them specifically, we want the draft indictments. We 64 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: want the three h two forms that FBI fills out 65 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: after they interview the victims. We want the stuff that 66 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: has the names in them. And we've told them you 67 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: can't redact them because you're trying to protect internal deliberations. 68 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: We want the internal deliberations. The law says, give us 69 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: the internal deliberations. So, because they've missed the deadline, but 70 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: more importantly, because they are over redacting these files, we 71 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: have asked the judge, Judge Ingelemeyer in the Southern District 72 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: of New York to appoint a special master to oversee 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: the redactions and the release of these files. And the 74 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: judge responded to us this week and told us and 75 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: the doj okay, give me your arguments within a week, 76 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: and then he may make some kind of decision here. 77 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: So that's our next step. There are other avenues available 78 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: to us legislatively and legally, legislatively, we can find Pambondi 79 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: in contempt. She is in contempt of Congress now, especially 80 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: because our law that the presidents signed also said fifteen 81 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: days after the original thirty day deadline, they've got to 82 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: give a report to Congress listing all the political folks 83 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: that they found in their files, and they have to 84 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 2: justify all the reactions. So they've missed both deadlines now 85 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: and one was specifically for a deliverable to Congress. So 86 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: they're in contempt of Congress. We can find them in contempt. 87 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: There's another level called inherent contempt, where you could find 88 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: her from the House of Representatives or send the Sergeant 89 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: at Arms to arrest her. We could do that. It 90 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: doesn't have to go to the Senate. We could impeach her. 91 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: That's a steep hill to climb in the Senate, but 92 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: the threat of that might compel her to start following 93 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: the law. Or we could bring a lawsuit. The victims 94 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: could bring a lawsuit, or myself and the co author 95 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: of my build, Rocanna, could bring a lawsuit if we 96 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: can establish standing in a court and then compel the 97 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: release of them. There's so many avenues. We're trying the 98 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: most polite avenue right now, which is to say, judge, 99 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: can you point a special master just to see what 100 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 2: they're doing over there? 101 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: Well, the law is on the books. I'm going back 102 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: to this whole idea that they swore to uphold. The 103 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: Constitution and faithfully execute the laws. That would include a 104 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: swear by Donald Trump as well as Pam BONDI right, 105 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: she took the oath as well, didn't she? 106 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: Yes. Here's another thing about the Well, go ahead, Brian. 107 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: I guess absence some argument that the law in and 108 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: of itself is unconstitutional, which I don't think anybody has 109 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: made that argument, although you can correct me if I'm wrong. 110 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: The law says what the law says. There's really nothing 111 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: to review here other than try to figure out a 112 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: remedy based upon the various people involved making the decisions 113 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: refusal to follow what the law specifically says. 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: They are making a legal argument that a first year 115 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: law student when no, doesn't hold any water. The legal 116 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: argument and they're trying to make is that the Privacy 117 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 2: Act protects these people, the perpetrators who've not been indicted. 118 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 2: Here's the problem. Our bill, which is a newer law, 119 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: overrides the old law. They're saying because you didn't repeal 120 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: the Privacy Act, that the Privacy Act overrules your new bill. 121 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: But our new bill is the law of the land 122 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: supersedes you don't have to yeah, supersedes it. And the 123 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: judges every judge in the country knows this. We just 124 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: need one judge to tell them. What's what. The other 125 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: thing they're doing is they're saying that our Foyer Standards 126 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: Freedom of Information Act allow us to redact things because 127 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: of internal deliberations. Well, here's the problem with this that 128 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: this is not a foy it this is not law. 129 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: This freaking law the President's signed. And second of all, 130 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: it says internal communications, including decisions about whether to indict, 131 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: decisions about this, and decisions about that. It's all we 132 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: need is like some judge somewhere to say, you, Pambinde, 133 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: you're full of it. And so that's hopefully we get 134 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: to that point soon. But here's what I was going 135 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: to say when I interrupted you, I'm sorry. I was 136 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: going to say, this is a law. And here's the 137 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: other feature of a law. Until it's repealed, it goes 138 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: on forever. So Pam Bondy, even though we could refer 139 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: contempt charges on her to the DOJ, she's not going 140 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: to find herself in contempt right, But the next Attorney 141 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: General could prosecute a prior attorney general for not following 142 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: this law because unlike a congressional subpoena, from the Oversight 143 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: Committee or the Judiciary Committee. This thing doesn't expire at 144 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: the end of our CONGRESSCT. It goes on forever. Well, 145 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: so they're putting themselves in legal jeopardy, and you can 146 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: be darn sure there are going to be future attorney 147 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: generals who will prosecute this thing when they get in 148 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: that seat. Now, Pambonni hasn't arrested or indicted anybody, not Fauci, 149 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: nobody for any of the things that you know, we 150 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: claim that's been going on, and we know that have 151 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: been going on. But I can guarantee you there will 152 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: be ags who will be aggressive. 153 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: Well, I guess to suppose the elephant in the room 154 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: is this amid all of this overwhelming legal support for 155 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: producing the damn docis given what we just you know, 156 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: what you and I just just talked about here, the 157 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: big looming question is why would you even go down 158 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: this impeachment or contempt or whatever legal action road is 159 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: going to be in front of us inevitably, What is 160 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: the reason they aren't being produced? The real reason? Who 161 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: are they trying to cover or hide? These are the 162 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: questions that always pop up when you try to hide 163 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: the ball from the American people. 164 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: That's the thing. Pam Bondi's not in these files. Todd Blanche, 165 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: her deputy, is not in these files. Why are they 166 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: putting their heads their necks in a news literally yes, 167 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: but by violating this law they could be charged criminally. 168 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: Why are they doing that? Who are they covering up for? 169 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: Why is this so important to them? Why don't they 170 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: just comply with the law because they will get in 171 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: trouble in the cover up, not not for releasing the things. 172 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: And going back to whether or not you like Donald 173 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: try over or not, isn't a little bit revealing perhaps, 174 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: or one can might reach the conclusion that it's revealing 175 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump hasn't come out and say, what's the 176 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: damn problem here? Get the documents out? Like the law 177 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: that I signed says to. 178 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: Do well, that's the thing that paym Bondi worked for him. 179 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: We know that he does just need to walk down 180 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: the hall and say do it or come out and 181 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: say do it right, So in the absence of him 182 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: compelling her, he's complicit. Now he and this thing, it's 183 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 2: like everything in the world is happening. I call these 184 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: weapons of mass distraction. And now they're trying to just 185 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: completely ignore the document production. It's literally ground to a halt. 186 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: And they've admitted they've only released about one percent of 187 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: the files. They say there are a million files they've found. Oh, 188 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: we didn't know we had a million files on st right, 189 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: which brings another question. How does how is there an 190 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: FBI file? It's a million files big okay, a folder 191 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: with a million files in it, which may be five 192 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: million pages, and there's only two people guilty. I'm not 193 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 2: buying it. Oh, no, show us the draft indictments where 194 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: they had other people to indict that they didn't indict. 195 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: What happened with those indictments? 196 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: Well, I think if you're betting and your you're you 197 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: wanted to put your money on a safe bet, I 198 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: would argue that anybody else who was facing an indictment 199 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: probably reached an out of court settlement with the victim 200 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: and a h which also included a confidentiality agreement. Just 201 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: one thought. You can't get someone to testify you in 202 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: a criminal trial. You've already bought them off. There isn't 203 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: going to be one. Let's see Congress and Matthews, Well. 204 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so our bill requires disclosure of those agreements 205 00:11:54,920 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: like we are pioneering here. This had this has never 206 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: been done, as far as I know, in the history 207 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: of your country. Nobody actually got a law passed that said, 208 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: for a specific case, you have to give us the 209 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 2: grand jury material, you have to give us everything. 210 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: Well, that may answer some of the questions about Donald 211 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: Trump's unleashing ire upon you and calling you the worst 212 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: Republican congressman. Just a thought. We'll continue with Congressman Massi. 213 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: We'll find out what the government shutdown based upon. Defunding ICE. 214 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: Really maybe a word or chowing Venezuela and perhaps Ron 215 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: Thomas Massey Moore after this quick oh no, after these 216 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: brief words station Hey twenty here fifty five krc DE 217 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: talk station, Happy Wednesday, Judgenna Paulatano coming up next after well, 218 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: maybe finished the conversation we're having right now with Congressman 219 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: Thomas Massey. Looks like are we going to face another 220 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: government shutdown? I know it was all about the Obamacare 221 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: covid Era subsidies before masking the reality of the epic 222 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: failure that is Obamacare and doing nothing to lower the 223 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: cost of healthcare, just masking it. That was one reason, 224 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: and we went through that. Are we going to do 225 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: that again, or is it now going to be over 226 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: ice funding, which I've heard some elected officials argue it 227 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: should be. 228 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: I would argue it should be over something else. By 229 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: the way, the deadline is January thirtieth. The House is 230 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: proceeding by passing mini buses, okay, but these aren't necessarily 231 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: being passed in the Senate. And I think we could 232 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: hit an impasse here pretty soon because I don't know 233 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: how many of my colleagues are going to agree to 234 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 2: fund the fraudulent daycare centers in Minnesota, and how many 235 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: will agree to fund the National Endowment for Democracy. This 236 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: is like a three hundred million dollar fund that has 237 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: been widely recognized now as a leftist but also a 238 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: Neocon source of meddling in the world. But the money 239 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: also comes back and influences our own government. I've offered 240 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: an amendment and I've co sponsored an amendment to take 241 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: out the money for the National Endowment for Democracy. It'll 242 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: be interesting to see how that plays out this week 243 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: and then in subsequent weeks. Before January thirtieth, I've already 244 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: got my amendments written to target basically to reduce and 245 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: eliminate this fraud in Minnesota. I don't know if you 246 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: saw the president. This administration tried to withhold funding from 247 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: five of the states where it's clearly fraudulent, and a 248 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: judge ruled that you can't withhold the funding. He's got 249 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: to send the funding there. And people are like, how 250 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: can a judge have this much power? The reason the 251 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: judge has that power to make that ruling is the 252 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,479 Speaker 2: President signed to freaking bill that funds all the fraudulent 253 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: daycares and Congress passed it. And we've got a chance 254 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: January thirtieth to basically stop that. And then the judge 255 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: can't make the president spend the money. All we got 256 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: to do is change it in law. Spending bills are law. 257 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: That is coming up. That deadline is coming up January thirtieth. 258 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: Is it too much of an ask when drafting legislation 259 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: in connection with any large government program where a lot 260 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: of money is going to be flowing out to the 261 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: masses to put in upfront protection measures that would prevent fraud, waste, 262 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: and abuse before the money goes out the door of Congress. 263 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: From Massey, that is. 264 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: I've already drafted the amendment to do that. Literally, it 265 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: mirrors what the president is trying to do that the 266 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: judge has shut down. I draft an amendment that says, 267 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: if you find fraud in a state, you can implement 268 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: these safeguards, these guardrails before the money flows to that state. 269 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: I literally wrote that into legislation. It's ready to go 270 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: into the bill. If the Rules Committee will allow it. 271 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: It would get a vote on the floor of the House. 272 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: And it's just common sense. But here's what I predict 273 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,119 Speaker 2: what happened, Brian. I predict there will not be a shutdown. 274 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: I predict myself and several other Conservatives at the end 275 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: are going to say, this is insanity. We cannot fund 276 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: all the fraudulent stuff that we just found. We're not 277 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: voting for this. And what they'll do is they'll go 278 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: over to the other side of the aisle of the Democrats, 279 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: and of course the Democrats will vote for it. If 280 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: it's got the fraudulent funding and the refugee resettlement funds 281 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: and all that other stuff in it, they'll lap that up. 282 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: It'll be the unipart it'll be a uniparty bill on 283 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: January thirtieth, and then the President won't complain until after 284 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: he signs the bill and it Judge says, no, wait, 285 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: you're signing the build that funds all this stuff. 286 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: Oh great, this is why we have you Congress from 287 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: Messi to boil it down to its darkest terms. 288 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: You also wouldn't know, you wouldn't have somebody introducing legislation 289 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: that's bold enough to take out the fraudulent stuff. They 290 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: will literally probably shut me down in the Rules Committee. 291 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: I was on the Rules Committee for two years. I 292 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: know how that works. This is where Republicans need to 293 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 2: make their stand. There are nine Republicans and four Democrats 294 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: on the Rules Committee. It would be so easy. You 295 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: don't even need every Republican. You only need seven Republicans 296 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 2: on the Rules Committee to put these amendments in there. 297 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: That's that's where the stronghold is. But I'm going to 298 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: predict all nine Republicans cave on the Rules Committee, don't 299 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: put it in there, and then complain later that the 300 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: fund that the money's in there. 301 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: Well, why don't you use social media to out the 302 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: names of the Republicans that are on the Rules Committee 303 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: so we can bring about some measure of pressure from 304 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: at least my listening audience and everybody else who follows 305 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: you on social media to get their phones ringing, their 306 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: emails lit up, and the social media accounts overwhelmed with 307 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, basically not threats but demands and and please 308 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: to get what you want done. 309 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: I linked I didn't put their names on there, but 310 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: I put a link to the Rules Committee website which 311 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: has their names on it, so that folks can find 312 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: out if it's one of their congressmen that's on the 313 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: Rules Committee. But just go to the Rules Committee website. 314 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: It's right there. The nine Republicans that need to hear 315 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: put this in there. It's where Lucy takes the football 316 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: from the voters every single time. It's in the Rules Committee. 317 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: Vote and apparently where Republicans. Republicans stab their own constituents 318 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: in the committee in the back. Congressman Thomas Massey find 319 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: the Rules Committee listeners, get in touch with Republicans on 320 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: the Rules Committee, tell them to heed Congressman Massey's warning 321 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: and get it done. Congressman Thomas Massey can't thank you 322 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: so much for joining the program. Keep fighting the good fight, 323 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: and keep believing in the supreme supreme law of the 324 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: land because so many people just conveniently like to ignore it.