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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's Radio.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Madison, and a nice week in to you

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Speaker 2: and yours as well. My name is Dan Ray, and

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Speaker 2: I am here every Monday through Friday night, finishing up

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Speaker 2: a full week of five programs. We started Monday night

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Speaker 2: week on Nightside, and we have a full program left tonight.

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Speaker 2: We have four guests coming up this hour. We're going

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Speaker 2: to get to them in a moment. We're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about We're going to talk about a psychologist about

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Speaker 2: concerns that children with mental health conditions are being held

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Speaker 2: in juvenile detention. We're going to learn everything we need

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Speaker 2: to learn about King Touch Tomb. We'll also talk with

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Speaker 2: couple of big academic institutions here in the Greater Boston area.

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Speaker 2: And we'll also talk with the author of book It's

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Speaker 2: called It's an interesting story about a young man growing

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Speaker 2: up in Madrid in the nineteen eighties. His parents there

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Speaker 2: were working doing drug rehab with heroin addicts. He now

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Speaker 2: capital company and it's called The book is called Shooting Up,

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Speaker 2: a Memoir of Love, loss and Addiction. We'll also talk

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Speaker 2: with nineteen eighty USA Team hockey team captain Michael Ruzioni

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Speaker 2: about why politics had to be injected into this week

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Speaker 2: what should have been a week of complete celebration for

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Speaker 2: home the gold. We'll also talk about President Bill Clinton's

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Speaker 2: deposition today in Chappaquad in New York, and then twentyeth

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Speaker 2: going to figure it out, though. We'll do some way

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Speaker 2: something in the hour which will be a little lighter,

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Speaker 2: We will begin with doctor Tim Murphy. He's a licensed psychologist.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Tim Murphy, welcome to night said, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: So you have I'm assuming a specialty in this area,

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Speaker 2: and if I'm assuming incorrectly, feel free to correct me.

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Speaker 2: But obviously you have a great interest in how young people,

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Speaker 2: and we'll define young people in a moment who are

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Speaker 2: in need of mental health care bet more than incarceration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I'm a psychologist's been practicing for actually a

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Speaker 3: long time, forty fifty years now. I work with trauma,

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Speaker 3: a lot of veterans, first responders with it. But what

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Speaker 3: I find is so many people you can trace back

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Speaker 3: in their youth, teenage years and young adult years when

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Speaker 3: signs of mental illness really began to emerge. Now, I

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Speaker 3: want to say this doesn't just someone who feels sad

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Speaker 3: emerged with some very severe symptoms of mental owners. So

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Speaker 3: this could be severe depression, psychosis, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorders,

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Speaker 3: those that really associate with brain illnesses and not just

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Speaker 3: behavior or social issues. And it's very, very important we

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Speaker 2: Also ultimately there's a price that society in many cases pays.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about what sort of an age range are

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Speaker 2: we looking at. Obviously, when you talk about schizophrenia, that

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Speaker 2: Is there a period, an age period where schizophrenia can

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a great question. Now, first of all, the

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Speaker 3: Sometimes people have emerged a little bit later in life.

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Speaker 2: I read some reports on those studies that has just

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Speaker 2: There was a survey done I guess it was three

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Speaker 2: About one hundred and fifty of them I think participated.

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Speaker 2: up incarcerated in juvenile juvenile detention? Is that is that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, actually even one case. The problem but we're finding

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Speaker 3: And about twenty facilities on thirteen states incarcerated children with

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Speaker 3: During incarceration in North Dakota, they said there's about twenty

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Speaker 3: and state causes and responsibilities. But what a horrible thing

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Speaker 3: lock you up rather than provide treatment. In some cases,

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Speaker 3: these children may remain in jail for a year. And

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Speaker 3: I want to emphasize this that that can really worsen

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Speaker 3: or sure, a psychosis is growing, could be pretty bad

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they could be putting them into a solitary confinement

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Speaker 2: these folks come to the attention of the states. They

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Speaker 2: were having interfamilial trouble or they were having trouble in

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Speaker 2: didn't do anything which would would get them legitimately into

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Speaker 3: Well, yes and no, And that is someone may have

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Speaker 3: very often when families feel they cannot control them anymore,

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Speaker 3: Beds are filled in the unlimited number of hostiles they have,

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Speaker 3: and so they're taken to a jail. They're told by

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Speaker 3: And I do want to crack something that. Yes, sometimes

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Speaker 2: That's what I was saying, doctor, That's exactly.

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Speaker 3: What I was saying, psychosis for them.

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Speaker 2: It's no, that's exactly right. No. I understand that the

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Speaker 2: the the impact can be adverse, but I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: it was not done to punish normally, when you think

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Speaker 2: of solitary confinement, it's an inmate who has acted out

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Speaker 2: of they can control being punished. Yes, they're doing what

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Speaker 2: from inmates from actual criminals. But as you said, it

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Speaker 2: so we have left, what, if any is there a solution?

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Speaker 2: This is a group of people who obviously have fallen

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Speaker 3: Well, let's keep in mind schizophreny alone. We just completed

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Speaker 3: a study and show that it costs in America three

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty six point eight billion. Much of that

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Speaker 3: which can be entirely absent. The families bear the burden

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Speaker 3: of that, the criminal justice system, the police, They have

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Speaker 3: a higher rate of chronic illness as a whole host

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Speaker 3: of things. Now, Massachusetts is one of a couple states

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Speaker 3: There's ability at S one one five in the Massachusetts

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Speaker 3: It's an issue. I've gone to Massachusetts officials before in

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Speaker 3: but oftentimes they say, gee, we don't want to force

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Speaker 2: Not in jail. Doctor Murphy, I can tell you that

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Speaker 2: as someone who works has worked in this state in

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Speaker 2: been nationally, but Massachusetts was at the edge of that

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Speaker 2: people should be able to live the lives the way

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Speaker 2: Be happy to help out.

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Speaker 3: I hope you will. I have a website which is

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Speaker 3: doctor Tim Murphy dot com. That's dr Tim Murphy dot com.

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Speaker 3: We have a number of articles I've published talking about

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Speaker 3: the problems with mental health crisis in America. We need

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Speaker 3: to do better, and the idea we just close the hospitals.

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Speaker 3: A lot of those people ended up on the street,

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Speaker 3: ended up in jail, ended up dead. Those who were

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Speaker 3: well enough could do well, but we didn't really take

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Speaker 3: hoping that something can go soon. So I applaud you

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Speaker 3: for allowing a forum for people to speak up on this.

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Speaker 3: There's millions of families who need help.

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Speaker 2: Well, we do that twelve months a year, so any

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Speaker 2: night sending the people of the legislature have them contact us.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that you recognize the history of the state.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. My pleasure to introduce to you David Nabhan.

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Speaker 5: Thank you Dan for having me. It's a great pleasure

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a subject that we talk about on

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Speaker 5: the putting a caffita around their neck and screaming about

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Speaker 5: everything is a Jew's fault, as it turns out, isn't

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Speaker 5: that hard and speckless college administrators in the US have

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Speaker 5: gone along with it. They've surrendered to it. They've done

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Speaker 5: down their their curricula. There's the math and foreign language

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Speaker 5: courses that even great universities have been lightened or done

439
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Speaker 5: away with, and ridiculous stuff taking their place, like classes

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Speaker 5: in Klingon culture and arguing with judge duty and other

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Speaker 5: nonsense like that. So the powers that be in academia

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Speaker 5: have they're they're they're responsible for this. It's the the

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Speaker 5: The attack on on on Jewish students is shocking. It

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Speaker 5: At Harvard, sixty percent of Jewish students say they've experienced

445
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Speaker 5: virulent anti Semitic haraffment. And it's at mit same thing

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Speaker 5: they're being sued by the brand Ey Center. So the

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Speaker 5: federal government's moving in. They're not going to stand for this.

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Speaker 5: The American people shouldn't stand for it. And if colleges

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Speaker 5: have better get their act together or they're they're going

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Speaker 5: to face incredible funding problems.

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Speaker 2: How much of this is the fault of maybe our culture,

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Speaker 2: Western culture, and also public schools, high schools in this

453
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Speaker 2: country who never get to World War two, never get

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Speaker 2: to portions of history that every American should understand. And

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Speaker 2: I believe that there are kids who are graduating from

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Speaker 2: high school who have no idea about the Holocaust, or

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Speaker 2: think that the Holocaust is some sort of a movie

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Speaker 2: that Meryl Streep started at some point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely correct. It starts in elementary and middle and

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Speaker 5: high school. I was for two decades. I was a

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Speaker 5: Los Angeles public school teacher in south central Los Angeles

462
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Speaker 5: for two decades. And our schools are sticking with blaming

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Speaker 5: everything on society and not the failing system itself. There's

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Speaker 5: there's no such thing, for example, for bad for for

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Speaker 5: bad writing. When that happened, they introduced inventive spelling that

466
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Speaker 5: steps in just just just write anything you like, and oh,

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Speaker 5: you did it right, and there's a good grade. Math

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Speaker 5: is a lot of children. He's learning the times tables

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Speaker 5: and and there's the further surrender is there, you know,

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Speaker 5: no tiresome memorization in math. Math itself is racist anyway,

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Speaker 5: according to the Seattle School System and dozens of other

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Speaker 5: of the largest school districts. So math books have been

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Speaker 5: replaced with balls and whistles and dice and other manipulatives

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Speaker 5: for the students to play around with and maybe learn

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Speaker 5: something or maybe not. But you're absolutely correct. They don't,

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Speaker 5: They meaning twenty year olds, they don't know when when

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Speaker 5: they think the United States was the revolution was fought

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Speaker 5: in nineteen thirty that we want our independence from Mexico.

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Speaker 5: Of course, you know it's outrageous.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to tell you one true story. I

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Speaker 2: was a television reporter for thirty one years at the

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Speaker 2: CBSFL and in Boston. My audience probably gets tired of

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Speaker 2: me saying that, but I was a hard charging reporter

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Speaker 2: from my mid twenties to my mid fifties. And one weekend,

485
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Speaker 2: when I was relatively young reporter, we were sent out

486
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Speaker 2: on an early Sunday morning, some virulent anti Semite had

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Speaker 2: scrawled a swatsticker on the side of a brick building

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Speaker 2: in Wellesley, Massachusetts. Now, if you're familiar with Wellesley, it's

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Speaker 2: one of our upper middle class suburbs, which of course

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Speaker 2: is the home of Wellesley College, the college from which

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Speaker 2: missus Clinton formed a famous university. So as I was

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Speaker 2: standing there that morning, you know, my cameraman, my videographer

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Speaker 2: was taking pictures of the swatstick and it was a

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Speaker 2: big swatztick that this person had painted on a wall.

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Speaker 2: A car came up and it was very quiet on

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Speaker 2: Sunday morning, and it was a mom and a daughter

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Speaker 2: who obviously was September and they were obviously well she

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Speaker 2: was obviously Wellesley College too, was North Carolina Plates, so

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Speaker 2: no problem. So I asked the young woman, who was probably,

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Speaker 2: you know, eighteen or nineteen. I said, they displayed some curiosity,

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Speaker 2: and I said, well, let me ask you, what's your

502
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Speaker 2: reaction to what is on that wall? And this young woman,

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Speaker 2: who clearly we found out later it was a freshman

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Speaker 2: at Wellesley College, she looked at it somewhat quizzically and

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Speaker 2: she said, yes, she says, I think I've seen that before.

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Speaker 2: And she said to me, that's the Swahili.

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Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, she didn't know what it was.

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Speaker 2: No, No, it was the Swahili. And I said to him, no,

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Speaker 2: that's a language from Africa. That's that's a swatsticker. And

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Speaker 2: this is probably, I'm guessing circa early nineteen eighties. So this,

511
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Speaker 2: this trend in schools across America, dumbing down students and

512
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Speaker 2: graduating people social promotion or whatever, even amongst the best

513
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Speaker 2: and the brightest, has been going on for a while, David.

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Speaker 5: It's happening even at Harvard and Mit, which is shocking. Yeah, unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: How can folks follow you your writing in the Times,

516
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Speaker 2: and a lot of folks who come on this show

517
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Speaker 2: have written a book. If you've got if you wanted

518
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Speaker 2: to reintroduce yourself to the audience, feel free. How can

519
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Speaker 2: they get in touch? How can they follow your work? Well?

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Speaker 5: My column at Newsmax is shaking up science and at

521
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Speaker 5: the times of israel tectonic shifts. I'm also a science

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Speaker 5: fiction writer and my latest is thin Walker, a sci

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Speaker 5: fi novel that takes place in the thirtieth century. Everything

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Speaker 5: is linked or access to my website at ww Earthquake

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Speaker 5: Predictors dot com. That's Earthquake Predictors dot com.

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Speaker 2: David, thank you very much. God knows where we're going

527
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Speaker 2: to be in the thirtieth cent the thirtieth century. I

528
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Speaker 2: fear to think of it, actually, but with people like you,

529
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Speaker 2: scholars like you around presenting what is actually truth, eventually

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Speaker 2: I think people are going to be intrigued and realize

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Speaker 2: what perhaps they've missed and what their grandchildren should not miss.

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Speaker 2: And I hope that we can get sort of a

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Speaker 2: counter revolution going in public schools across America.

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Speaker 5: David, nowaad I do appreciate you that the chance to

535
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Speaker 5: have a word with your with your massive listenership. Thanks,

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Speaker 5: thanks again, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd love to have you back, and maybe we'll

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Speaker 2: do it somenight. We'll do an hour and we'll take

539
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Speaker 2: phone calls as well and more the longer form. Okay,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much to appreciate it. My pleasure when

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Speaker 2: we get back, when we talk about a very interesting

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Speaker 2: childhood with an author named Jonathan Tepper. His book is

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Speaker 2: Shooting Up, a Memoir of Love, Loss and Addiction. A

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Speaker 2: child of missionary parents who lived in Madrid, Spain, and

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Speaker 2: he was exposed to things as a young child in

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Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties that are just extraordinary. And we'll talk

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Speaker 2: with Jonathan Tepper right after this break on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, my next guest has lived an extraordinary life, particularly

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Speaker 2: in his youngest years. His name is Jonathan Tepper. He's

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Speaker 2: author of a book called Shooting Up, a Memoir of Love,

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Speaker 2: Loss and Addiction. Jonathan, you grew up in Madrid. Your

553
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Speaker 2: parents were missionaries who were working with people who were

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Speaker 2: dealing with drug addiction. You saw more in the first

555
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Speaker 2: few years of your life than most people do in

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Speaker 2: the entirety of their lives. Welcome to Nightside. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining us. Thank you very much for having me

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Speaker 2: so explain to us. I mean, to you this was

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Speaker 2: a normal childhood, but was anything but a normal childhood

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Speaker 2: to most people. How did this impact you?

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you. I think when I was growing up,

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Speaker 6: you know, the child that I had was the only

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Speaker 6: one I knew. And it's really only when I became

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Speaker 6: a little older and started meeting other people and realizing

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Speaker 6: their childhoods were not quite like mine. Just how odd

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Speaker 6: mine was. But my parents were Christian missionaries and moved

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Speaker 6: to Spain in the nineteen eighties. They moved there in

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Speaker 6: eighty three to some Blast, which was the neighborhood that

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Speaker 6: had the highest rate of heroin use in Europe at

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Speaker 6: the time. And my brothers and I, you know, we

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Speaker 6: were at seven, nine and ten, were handing out flyers

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Speaker 6: to junkies in the street, inviting them back to our

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Speaker 6: home and trying to as my parents tried to help

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Speaker 6: them out.

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Speaker 2: Boy, this has to be some incredible level dedication for

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Speaker 2: your parents at the same time as someone who was

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Speaker 2: a parent, and I was a parent a little later

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Speaker 2: than that. Did they ever explain to you or or

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Speaker 2: attempt to explain to you what I mean. They must

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Speaker 2: have been incredibly committed to helping these people, which is commendable.

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Speaker 2: But did they ever take the time to explain to

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Speaker 2: you and say, what you're seeing kids? Were? Was it

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Speaker 2: three brothers that so there were four of us? I

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Speaker 2: had three brothers, three brothers. Did they ever explain to

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Speaker 2: you and say this is not this is not abnormal

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Speaker 2: what you're what you're seeing or or or did you

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Speaker 2: just assume that you'd learned that that? Did they assume

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Speaker 2: that you would learn as you grew?

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Speaker 6: So of my guess is they thought we'd learn as

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Speaker 6: we grew. You know, we could tell when we go

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Speaker 6: back to visit relatives in the US, or we'd go

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Speaker 6: back every four years to visit American churches that supported

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Speaker 6: my parents, and I think then it was quite clear

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Speaker 6: that our life was very different. But when I was

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Speaker 6: very young, with my parents, you know, we would go

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Speaker 6: out to the streets and invite the addicts back to

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Speaker 6: our home. And at first they sent about over sixty

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Speaker 6: addicts to drug rehabs outside of Madrid because Madrid didn't

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Speaker 6: really have any at the time, and the need was

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Speaker 6: so overwhelming that they decided to with a young Australian

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Speaker 6: missionary started a drug rehab center and one addict came

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Speaker 6: in and then he invited eight of his friends and

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Speaker 6: the neighbor. They were living in an apartment. The neighbors complained,

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Speaker 6: and then they ended up getting a farm and there

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Speaker 6: were thirty men. So the whole thing just sort of

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Speaker 6: exploded and we grew up like right in the middle

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Speaker 6: of it, and it was just sort of the way

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Speaker 6: things were for us.

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Speaker 2: Oh, successful were your parents in helping people break their addiction?

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Speaker 2: And I assumed that the first goal was to break

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Speaker 2: their addiction. Was the secondary goal to convert them to

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Speaker 2: a you know, a belief in God and religion.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean I think for my parents it was

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Speaker 6: probably both happening at the same time. Where you know,

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Speaker 6: I think there's some people who think that, you know,

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Speaker 6: spiritual salvation is the only thing that really matters, and

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Speaker 6: you know, human suffering is.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 6: But I think my parents thought that, you know, while

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Speaker 6: they did want to you know, they're Christian missionaries and

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Speaker 6: I wanted people to sort of come to God or Jesus,

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Speaker 6: and you know, they were trying to live out the

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Speaker 6: sermon on the mountain, trying to help the you know,

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Speaker 6: the hungry, and feed them, and so I think they

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Speaker 6: viewed it is going together rather than being like an

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Speaker 6: either or thing.

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Speaker 2: So, at what point in your life did you go

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Speaker 2: off and separate from Not that you separated in a

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Speaker 2: bad way, but at some point I assume you went

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Speaker 2: to college.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I we wereaved in Spain when I was

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Speaker 6: seven and eighty three, and then I went off to

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Speaker 6: college in nineteen ninety four and went off to the

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Speaker 6: University of North Carolina at Chapel Health.

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Speaker 2: Grade School grade school. Are your parents still alive, as

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Speaker 2: I could ask.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my mother died a couple of years ago, but

638
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Speaker 6: my father is seventy nine and still running the drug

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Speaker 6: rehab center in Madrid Battel, which started with one addict

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Speaker 6: in eighty five and today it's in twenty countries with

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Speaker 6: over two thousand addicts living in the program.

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Speaker 2: And the book itself. Is the book a biography of

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Speaker 2: your life growing up? Or is it perhaps in some

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Speaker 2: part a biography of your life and also a tribute

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Speaker 2: to your parents' commitment?

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Speaker 6: So it's a memoir. I think bi biographies tend to

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Speaker 6: be boring and they're only for very famous people, and

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Speaker 6: I'm not famous. But a memoir, I hope is an

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Speaker 6: engaging story. And I didn't write it, I think out

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Speaker 6: of a sense of narcissism. What I really wanted to

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Speaker 6: do is to write a love letter to friends and family.

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Speaker 6: And so many of the early addicts in the program

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Speaker 6: shared needles. They became older brothers and sisters to me

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Speaker 6: and the brothers, and they died of aids in the

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Speaker 6: late eighties and early nineties. And the book is a

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Speaker 6: universal story of love and loss, and I hope readers

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Speaker 6: enjoy it in a touch of their hearts.

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Speaker 2: Now are you a full time author at this point?

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Speaker 2: Have you written other books? Or tell me? Tell me

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Speaker 2: how your life has turned out. Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 6: Well, I've written a couple of books on financial markets

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Speaker 6: and economics, but I run an investment fund. Actually that's

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Speaker 6: my day job. But I just sort of wrote this

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Speaker 6: book because when I was working at a hedge fund

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Speaker 6: in New York one weekend, I saw a book called

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Speaker 6: Flying Over ninety sixth Street, a memoir of an East

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Speaker 6: Harlem white boy. And there's this beautiful story of a

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Speaker 6: blonde hair, bloyd kid who grew up in East Harlem

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Speaker 6: in the fifties and sixties during the Civil rights era,

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Speaker 6: due to the Christian calling of his parents. And I thought,

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Speaker 6: this reminds me of my own story. Someone needs to

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Speaker 6: write about my friends and my neighborhood in the way

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Speaker 6: he did so beautifully about his own as Tomas Webber.

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Speaker 6: And so that was really the impetus for writing and

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Speaker 6: shooting up great.

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Speaker 2: So how can folks get the book? I assume it's

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Speaker 2: out and available Amazon and normal bookstores, regular bookstores.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it came out last week and it's available wherever

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Speaker 6: people buy books.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And how can they follow you? Or you must

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Speaker 2: have a website. I know that you're with a company,

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Speaker 2: you're the chief investment officer at private capital. I'm a

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Speaker 2: little bit familiar with hedge funds and and that sort

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Speaker 2: of financial activity and acumen. How how can folks get

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Speaker 2: in touch with you and follow your work as an author? Oh? Sure,

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Speaker 2: so I.

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Speaker 6: Used to be on social media, got off try to

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Speaker 6: folks on my day job. But I do have a

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Speaker 6: website Jonathan Nisen Temper dot com. But and you know,

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Speaker 6: and I'm very happy to interact with people, but I

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Speaker 6: don't tweet or post on Instagram or anything like that,

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Speaker 6: and occasionally I do write books every few years, but

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Speaker 6: so I don't know when the next one will be.

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Speaker 6: Uh And I'm on LinkedIn to obviously for more professional reasons.

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Speaker 6: But this book is one I think that I hope

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Speaker 6: speaks for itself and that people enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan hyphen hyphen Pepper T E P P E R

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Speaker 2: like Pepper, but with the T as in Thomas Jonathan.

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Speaker 6: That's why I prescribe it.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your time tonight, and best of luck and

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Speaker 2: congratulations on living and to your parents also an extraordinarily

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Speaker 2: interesting and committed life lives.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Jonathan, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. When we get back, we're gonna be talking

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