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Speaker 1: As night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ costin New Radio.

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Speaker 2: The Blue Jays there, Dan markins making a bit of

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody. I want to talk about a really

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Speaker 3: essentially it's a story about some really hateful statements that

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Speaker 3: were made by young members of the Republican Party, some

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Speaker 3: of them are elected officials. This was contained to four states,

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Speaker 3: according to the New York Times, and again the story

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Speaker 3: was broken by Politico. But according to the New York Times,

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Speaker 3: over seven months, twenty nine hundred pages of messages sent

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Speaker 3: leaders of local groups of young party activists in New York, Vermont,

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Speaker 3: glibally invoked Hitler in the Holocaust. The text of the

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Speaker 3: times mentioned, reported on Tuesday by Politico, were part of

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Speaker 3: a I don't know what this even means, restore war room,

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Speaker 3: Assuming that the people who our names were associated with

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Speaker 3: laced throughout with offensive language that was shocking for its

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Speaker 3: New York assemblyman, Peter Junta, posted, I love Hitler and

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Speaker 3: ten shades darker than someone from sicily just ended there

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Speaker 3: this same jerk, mister Giunta, was asked if he was

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Speaker 3: and the June message he wrote, everyone that votes no

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Speaker 3: Some guy who is the vice chairman of Kansas Young Republicans.

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Speaker 3: I wonder how many there is there are in that

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Speaker 3: group used racial slurs against black people. Quote bros at

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Speaker 3: He rightfully so pointed out that there's a candidate Virginia

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Speaker 3: wrote some pretty lurid messages himself in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 3: That has become an issue in the Virginia governor's race

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Speaker 3: the vice president posted on Tuesday that Jones's comments were

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Speaker 3: mister Vice president. He said, wrote, I refuse to join

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Speaker 3: All of these people should resign from whatever little office

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Speaker 4: No, this needs to.

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Speaker 4: They really need to look in the mirror.

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Speaker 3: There are people of all uh backgrounds who find themselves

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Speaker 4: And again, in this case these are Republicans.

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Speaker 3: In other cases there have been democrats. And to just

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Speaker 3: that might be four years, five years, might be twenty years,

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Speaker 3: I just again, I'd love to talk about it if

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Speaker 3: Uh. And and and keep recycling uh racial slurs, religious slurs,

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Speaker 4: Beyond the pale again.

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Speaker 3: Political violence. It has to stop. It has to stop.

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Speaker 3: What happened to him kind it cannot We can talk

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to the calls and again, nobody's perfect.

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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BEAZ,

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Speaker 3: Back to the call, I'm going to try to pick

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Speaker 3: to say D. Say D, how are you welcome?

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Speaker 6: Hello?

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Speaker 7: Dan?

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Speaker 6: How are you? I'm working with you and thank you

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Speaker 3: Right back at you. Have you called me be for city.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir three times, this is my third time.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, thank you very much. What's on your

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Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, everything you mentioned I agree with you

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Speaker 3: Well, Ron, what I was trying to talk about was people,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think jd Vance, whose wife happens to be,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but Dan, look at look at how much division,

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Speaker 6: The way they are working and they're doing things making

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Speaker 3: So therefore you think that people who support Donald Trump,

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Speaker 6: those those of stuff that like people, black people don't

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Speaker 6: have a brain power to you know, become I don't

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Speaker 6: want to mention their names to become this and that

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Speaker 6: in higher authority.

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Speaker 3: And but I think that if you listen to Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 3: there were things that were attributed to him. I don't

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Speaker 3: know much about Charlie Kirk, but I listened in the

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Speaker 3: last few weeks and he seemed to be very faith oriented.

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Speaker 3: There was you know again, h I just don't want

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Speaker 3: to turn this into a Charlie Kirk discussion. He lost

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Speaker 3: his life. He was a victim of political violence, which

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Speaker 3: should never occur. Here said I got to run. I

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Speaker 3: got other calls.

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Speaker 6: I thank you so much. God bless you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and God bless you as well. To have

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Speaker 3: a great night. We'll take a break, coming right back

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Speaker 3: on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: Night Side, Dan Ray, I'MBZ Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 3: Next up, Jamie in with of Jamie. Appreciate you calling in.

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Speaker 3: I think go right ahead.

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Speaker 7: Hi, Dani, I need to give you my background to

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Speaker 7: explain this. Although I am one hundred percent Irish Venezuela's Catholic.

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Speaker 7: I was brought up as an Irish Catholic. But I

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Speaker 7: grew up in a very very integrated small village in

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Speaker 7: New York State, a lot of white Jewish folks, blacks,

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Speaker 7: Latinos Protestants. I went to a college that had majority

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Speaker 7: white Jewish boys and girls students.

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Speaker 3: Okay, where'd you go?

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Speaker 7: It's called now They're changed the names four times and

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Speaker 7: they went to Why no one knows who they are.

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Speaker 7: It's now called Binghamton University, Sudnia, Bahampton.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, sooney Binghamton, know what that is?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Anyway, Understandably, the Jewish young Jewish men and girl young

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Speaker 7: women wanted to go out with each other, and I

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Speaker 7: ended up meeting a number of white male Protestants. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 7: almost every one of them. When we would be getting

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Speaker 7: to know each other, we could be talking about something

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Speaker 7: to add a little levity fly fishing in Alaska, and

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Speaker 7: they would need to interrupt the conversation to list all

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Speaker 7: of their prejudices, starting unfortunately, with the Jewish people going

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Speaker 7: to the blacks in the eighties.

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Speaker 5: In the eighties.

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Speaker 7: In the eighties, this is twenty years after civil right. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: after the Kennedys, and all I can tell you is

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Speaker 7: that the only prejudice they didn't have was Irish Catholics.

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Speaker 7: And you know why because I was sitting in front

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Speaker 7: of them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, well fair enough, Okay again, Unfortunately, I was

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Speaker 3: hoping that since we're about forty years past the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 3: these these kids. I was surprised to see this. I

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Speaker 3: was most disappointed than surprised. Let me put it like that.

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Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, but I'm not because these kids are those boys,

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Speaker 7: children and even grandchildren, and unfortunately it's there. They hide it.

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Speaker 8: Well, these probably.

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Speaker 7: Mostly young men. I'm guessing from our topic tonight, mostly

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Speaker 7: young men. I'm guessing it's men.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The article that I read it it seemed to

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Speaker 3: be that they were. I think there was some reference

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Speaker 3: to some female comments as well. But okay, you should

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Speaker 3: you should read the New York Times article if you

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Speaker 3: get a chance.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it was originally a political article.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sorry that you had that experience. I hope

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Speaker 3: that you found someone of whatever background who you've had

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Speaker 3: a wonderful life with, whether it was a Suny, Binghamton

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Speaker 3: or somewhere else.

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Speaker 7: Okay, right, right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did not.

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Speaker 7: You can imagine because I grew up in among Jewish folks.

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Speaker 7: They were my friends, including two surrogate mothers. So when

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Speaker 7: they said these things to me, it was very hurtful.

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Speaker 7: But anyway, I only calling because it's out there. Okay,

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Speaker 7: wellieve it continues to be out there.

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Speaker 3: I hope that when those students, fellow students said some

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Speaker 3: of those things to you, that you had an opportunity

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Speaker 3: to tell them, you know, as kindly perhaps, but also

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Speaker 3: as strongly as possible. I just don't agree with you

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Speaker 3: on those sort of comments. Why don't we go back

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Speaker 3: to talking about fly fishing and then great? Anyway, I

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Speaker 3: got to watch, Jamie. I want to get one more

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Speaker 3: in here before the.

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Speaker 7: News to your listeners is some of them are my friends.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you can mention that to people. Okay, I'll

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Speaker 7: let you go, Dan.

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Speaker 4: That's that's a good thing to mention.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Hopefully all of us have more and more friends

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Speaker 3: of different backgrounds. Thanks, thanks, Jamie, appreciated. Let me go

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Speaker 3: to John and Pennsylvania John next on nights.

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Speaker 8: I go ahead, Well, thank you for taking my call. No,

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Speaker 8: I didn't find the revelation surprising, nor was it surprising

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Speaker 8: that JD. Vans attempted to rationalize and dismiss the statements. Oh,

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Speaker 8: and they were not the work of kids, quote unquote.

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Speaker 8: These were young men and one woman anywhere from their

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Speaker 8: mid twenties till their early thirties.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I got the impression. I got the impression that they

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Speaker 3: were mostly well, they that they probably were college students.

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Speaker 3: Some of them had.

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Speaker 8: Apparently as a state senator.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but he supposed he was a very

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Speaker 3: young kid, a young guy, young person. Okay, I'm not

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Speaker 3: trying to You heard my comments, so I'm not trying

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Speaker 3: to diminish what was said. But I don't think I'm

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Speaker 3: looking at a picture of this guy. He looks to

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Speaker 3: me like he's probably twenty three or twenty four.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so the mid twenties through early thirties.

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Speaker 3: Well, again, I don't have I assure you.

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Speaker 8: When I was when I was that age, I wasn't

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Speaker 8: making homophobic comments. I wasn't referencing well, they didn't even

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Speaker 8: use me. They even use the aphorism of the N word.

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Speaker 8: I wasn't making blatantly sexist comments. I wasn't making comments

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Speaker 8: admiring of Hitler, even in a joking fashion, but as

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Speaker 8: I said, I mean, it's not surprised that jd. Vans

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Speaker 8: can't condemn them because the man who's at whose Gracie serves,

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Speaker 8: has a history of making metrocious and offensive comments, you know,

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Speaker 8: bragging about sexual assault, telling for non white congresswomen that

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Speaker 8: they should go back to the country. Is that the uh,

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Speaker 8: the third world countries they came from and clean them up,

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Speaker 8: even though three of them were born here in the

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Speaker 8: United States and all four were American citizens. And yes,

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Speaker 8: that there's a there's a big racist assumption built into

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Speaker 8: that comment, and you know there is.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to well, I'm giving you a

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Speaker 3: chance to say what you want to say. If you

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Speaker 3: have a finished forehead, Sure, I finished you.

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Speaker 8: If you if you have to defend and rationalize those

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Speaker 8: and the entire Republican Party has to do so, then

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Speaker 8: how is it how how would you condemn the statements

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Speaker 8: made by the by the end Republican group?

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Speaker 3: Well, well, first of all, I think there's a substantial

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Speaker 3: difference between what jd Vance said. Okay, Uh. Jd Vance

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Speaker 3: happens to be married to a woman who is not

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Speaker 3: Anglo Saxon. I'm sure you notice that.

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Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, that makes it worse. He should take it

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Speaker 8: more personally because they also made a crude, offensive joke

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Speaker 8: about an Indian woman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that one. I did not include that

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Speaker 3: in my commentary. You heard my commentary. All I'm saying

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Speaker 3: is that the Republican Party has to clean him up,

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Speaker 3: and the Democratic Party has to clean him up as well,

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Speaker 3: and we as a society have to clean it up. Okay,

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Speaker 3: It's as simple as that. And you know again, you

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Speaker 3: I know, just don't tolerate Trump. There's nothing that Trump

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Speaker 3: is ever gonna do that's gonna please John from Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: You know, I accept that that's a point of view

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Speaker 3: that you have. I would suggest to you that I

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Speaker 3: look at Trump a little differently. I don't look at

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Speaker 3: him as in a syncophantic way whatsoever if you listen

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Speaker 3: to my show. But when he does something that is

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Speaker 3: I think positive, such as taking out the Iranian nuclear threat,

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Speaker 3: such as maybe maybe paving the way for some peace

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Speaker 3: in the Middle East, and closing the border to people

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Speaker 3: who are coming here illegally, and particularly people who are

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Speaker 3: coming here illegally with dangerous criminal records, I'll give him

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Speaker 3: credit for those, John. Although I know you probably won't.

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Speaker 8: In regards to that, I'm going to quote Ed Bradley

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Speaker 8: and what Ed Bradley said in reference to people who

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Speaker 8: tried to mitigate Richard Nixon's history by saying, well, if

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Speaker 8: you take away Watergate and well a lot of other transgressions,

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Speaker 8: then wasn't he a good president? And to that, Bradley said,

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Speaker 8: that's like seeing someone's good looking except for their face.

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Speaker 8: You can't be a criminal and be a good president.

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Speaker 8: First and foremost. I believe Donald Trump is a criminal

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Speaker 8: and he's contemptuous of the constitution. Yeah, he can't be

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Speaker 8: a good president.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's fine. Let us see how history judges him. John,

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Speaker 3: I knew exactly where you were coming from, and that's

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Speaker 3: why I gave you plenty of wide birth tonight. But

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Speaker 3: unfortunately I'm looking at the newscast, so I gotta let

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Speaker 3: you go. Thanks, as always for calling. All points of

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Speaker 3: view are more than welcome, and you proved for me

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Speaker 3: every night. Thank you, John, appreciate it. We'll be back.

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Speaker 3: I would like to continue with this conversation if you

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Speaker 3: have the courage six one, seven, two, five, four ten

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Speaker 3: thirty six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty. I

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Speaker 3: think it's an important conversation to have, and I hope

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Speaker 3: you have the courage, as Dan rather said, courage back

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Speaker 3: after the eleven o'clock news Here on night Side, an

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Speaker 3: interesting hour. Feel free to join the conversation