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Speaker 3: Johnny headache. I did do something about that. Right now

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Speaker 3: it is that time again, Johnny athletic showing his I

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Speaker 3: how about five o'clock? And he said fine, And then

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Speaker 3: It's fine. That's Johnny. I mean he's helpful to anybody

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Speaker 1: I think accurate?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not just I would say athletic Dan, but also coachable, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you just put you, just me

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Speaker 4: and so I tell him.

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Speaker 1: I just tell him.

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Speaker 4: Blake Moore, as you gather around your Thanksgiving tables on Thursday,

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Speaker 3: It looks more and more as if brosmur is going

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Speaker 4: You know, A couple of weeks down the road, provided

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Speaker 1: You know, in a heartbeat, are you.

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Speaker 4: You cannot panic, you can't do all these things. But

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very fair. And you know, I've made this

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Speaker 4: Damaging his ability to lead his teammates going forward, Like

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Speaker 4: that's really hard to get that back. Let's do this.

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Speaker 3: Let's get a quick pause. And I got a lot

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Speaker 3: more to get to with Johnny, including the Wolves meltdown

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Speaker 3: So much more with our guy Johnny Athletic. Later this hour,

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Speaker 3: Ben Lieber and Bonus Luigi to talk about the hottest

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Speaker 3: Detailscafe dot com. You recount Part two with Johnny Athletic,

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Speaker 3: and it looks like, at least in this room, we

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Speaker 3: as long as it doesn't log me out. Johnny. Part two,

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Speaker 4: I mean it's possible, Dan, but I will tell you,

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Speaker 4: Have changed the outcome on the last possession, maybe, But

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Speaker 3: We got sacked tonight there and then Oklahoma City there

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Speaker 3: Well, they what is Oklahoma City now? Is it twelve

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Memphis played Dallas, Dallas. Sorry the other night

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your flexibility today, Happy Thanksgiving and we

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Speaker 4: Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours and all the listeners

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Speaker 1: Dan, Thanks much.

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Speaker 3: ten to fifteen minutes, Bonus Luigi to talk about the

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Speaker 3: My best getting a little ahead of it chat as

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Speaker 3: I am want to do from timetime. We expect Lieber

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Speaker 3: in just a couple of minutes. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 3: get to that Vikings talking point that I rudely interrupted

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Speaker 3: Brett blakemore with a bit on the early side. We

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Speaker 3: call it basically Mike Micah versus Christian darisod supposed to

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Speaker 3: be a pretty even matchup. Not so much at some

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Speaker 3: key times.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, McCarthy with DJ Hammond motioned to the right, goes

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Speaker 2: back to pass on first down pumps and sacked Michael

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Speaker 2: Parson's got him. Michael Parsons with his ninth stack this year.

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Speaker 2: Second of McCarthy today, mccuppy as the other. It's a

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Speaker 2: seven yard loss. Second is seventeen. McCarthy shot down three

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Speaker 2: receiving options to the lap. Now Huckinson in motion to

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Speaker 2: the right, joining Josh Oliver. We're going to fake a toss.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: McCarthy is attacked from behind by Michael Parsons, who ran

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Speaker 2: around Christian Darisol like he was tied to a post.

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Speaker 2: That's the second sack for Parsons, second and twelve for

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Speaker 2: Jane McCarthy from his own seventeen. Hockinson in motion to

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Speaker 2: the right, McCarthy clapping for the ball. All start, Darrisol,

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Speaker 2: all starts.

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Speaker 3: Johnson's my guardy checking out. I mean, this is this

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Speaker 3: is awful. It's the only way to put it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's a PA's right. It was pretty much awful from

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Speaker 3: start to finish. And that's the kind of game where

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Speaker 3: you say, well, how much did the Packers give for

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Speaker 3: Micah Parsons, it wasn't enough. I mean, the value of

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Speaker 3: a defensive player who can be that devastating, who can

476
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Speaker 3: be that destructive to everything that you're trying to do offensively,

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Speaker 3: even if he's facing a big time left tackle through

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Speaker 3: some of it incalculable in the way this game is

479
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Speaker 3: played today, which of course tends to be about more

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Speaker 3: about offense than defense. Nacho Liber kind enough to join

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Speaker 3: you've I'm sure talked about this, some thought about it

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Speaker 3: a decent amount. Do you believe is is there a

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Speaker 3: point at which, even if you believe in what McCarthy

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Speaker 3: represents and still believe in what he can't in what

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Speaker 3: he at some point can represent, that a player needs

488
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Speaker 3: to be taken off the field for a while for

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Speaker 3: his own, you know, mental health, or do you say,

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Speaker 3: if he's healthy enough, and we'll get to that part

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Speaker 3: in a minute. Nope, We're throwing them back in the

492
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Speaker 3: deep end week after week after week. That's the only

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Speaker 3: way we can get through this.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, up.

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Speaker 6: Until literally what two hours ago, I was thinking that

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Speaker 6: you just you got to let these guys go through it.

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Speaker 6: And you know, adversity is part of every sport, certainly

498
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Speaker 6: a part of playing quarterback, and it's not always pretty,

499
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Speaker 6: and you're not always loved and it's not always the

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Speaker 6: glory position that people think it is. I mean, there's

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Speaker 6: gonna be some hard times and I have thought, you know,

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Speaker 6: even though he is performing at historically low levels, that

503
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Speaker 6: you got to work through this. You know, you just,

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Speaker 6: more than anything, you have to see if your potential

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Speaker 6: franchise quarterback has the mental fortitude and the mental toughness

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Speaker 6: to lead the team. Once you start to figure out

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Speaker 6: the other things, you know, if it's the mechanical things,

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Speaker 6: it's the technique things, if it's like a mental processing thing,

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Speaker 6: wherever it is, it's kind of holding him back. You

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Speaker 6: kind of want to see these these other intangible leadership

511
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Speaker 6: qualities that that are very important to lead a franchise.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean I was kind of in that

513
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Speaker 6: boat of like let him, let you know, work with him,

514
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Speaker 6: but you've got to let him work through it. On

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Speaker 6: the field, it.

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Speaker 3: Looks as if there's at least a chance that the

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Speaker 3: decision will be made by the doctors he is in

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Speaker 3: as you know, JJ's in in concussion protocol. And you

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Speaker 3: know how this works. The conspiracy theory starts early that well,

520
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Speaker 3: it's another example of is he really in concussion? Should

521
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Speaker 3: he really? Does he really need to be in concussion protocol?

522
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Speaker 3: Is this the Viking's own way, Koc's own way of

523
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Speaker 3: easing the pressure of, you know, forcing him to play

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Speaker 3: another week. I don't know what you'd heard last night.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think there was any indication after the game

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Speaker 3: that there were any issues, although I will say on

527
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Speaker 3: the scramble, and I can't s he's saying he thought

528
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Speaker 3: it was very late in the game, But there was

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Speaker 3: a scramble earlier where he ends up getting hammered pretty

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Speaker 3: good to the left, goes down hard and almost like

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Speaker 3: lays out and then got pulled up real quick by

532
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Speaker 3: a teammate if Ivan Hockinson. But I thought his reaction

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Speaker 3: on that play looked like he might have gotten a

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Speaker 3: hit a little bit or was was shaken up. Did

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Speaker 3: you have any indication last night that any of this

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Speaker 3: was going on?

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Speaker 6: No, not at all, Dan, not a second. I remember

538
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Speaker 6: that play in real time and I was like, oh, yeah,

539
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Speaker 6: he got smushed pretty good. But you know, I wasn't

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Speaker 6: thinking concussion. It didn't look like a violent hit, you know,

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Speaker 6: where his he would suffer a concussion. And I know

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Speaker 6: that he doesn't always have to be violent. I certainly

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Speaker 6: have been a part of some of those where you know,

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Speaker 6: even a glancing blow when you're not really ready for

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Speaker 6: it can cause concussion like symptoms. But that to me

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Speaker 6: just looked like a ooh, like got it kind of

547
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Speaker 6: took your breath away a little bit, and and I

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Speaker 6: understand why Hawkinson just kind of picked him up and

549
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Speaker 6: it was like, you know, let's get back out there,

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Speaker 6: but you know, and kind of dust yourself off. You know,

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Speaker 6: I didn't see him, you know, even in the in

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Speaker 6: the clips, in the replays that we've seen now on

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Speaker 6: social media, it didn't look like he was woozy, wobbly.

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Speaker 6: It didn't look like he needed to take a second

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Speaker 6: to gather, to kind of gather himself. And so I mean,

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Speaker 6: I would have no idea that he was going through

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Speaker 6: what he is saying as a concussion. And you know,

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Speaker 6: certainly the independent neurologists that are at these games, that

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Speaker 6: are up in the booth watching these things, it wasn't

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Speaker 6: enough to.

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Speaker 3: Ring some alarm bells.

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Speaker 6: Also, our own team doctors didn't didn't look like they

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Speaker 6: saw anything that was alarming as well. So it is

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Speaker 6: sort of shocking that this is all transpiring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and so if if ultimately he doesn't go,

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Speaker 3: what is realistic to expect of bros mur you know

567
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Speaker 3: how this is how this works. I honestly believe. Look,

568
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Speaker 3: I loved him as a college quarterback, I really did.

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Speaker 3: I thought he obviously showed something to make the team

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Speaker 3: as an undrafted free agent. And I'm not even here

571
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Speaker 3: to tell you he can never be an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 3: But I am firmly of the belief, as much fun

573
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Speaker 3: as we've had on this show, because you know, guards

574
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Speaker 3: he's sort of liked the number one investor in Broseman

575
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Speaker 3: Brownstones that if he didn't, if he hadn't played here

576
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Speaker 3: at the University of Minnesota, seventy five percent of the

577
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Speaker 3: people who've been clamoring for him for like months would

578
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Speaker 3: not even have raised a peep to this point. So

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Speaker 3: what is realistic to expect of Brozemriff? And if indeed

580
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Speaker 3: he has to to, you know, to start against.

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Speaker 6: Seattle, well it's it might be predicated on who's available

582
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Speaker 6: at the offensive line, you know. I mean, we've suffered

583
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Speaker 6: two injuries to the left side of our offensive line.

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Speaker 6: We don't know the injury updates there. Yeah, having brand

585
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Speaker 6: Dell in school out there to protect him, I think

586
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Speaker 6: is going to be something that you're going to have

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Speaker 6: to account for in the game plan. If that's the case,

588
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Speaker 6: you know, maybe maybe it really is just listen, get

589
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Speaker 6: the ball out and two progressions, two reads, and and

590
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Speaker 6: see if we can just make a little something run

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Speaker 6: after catch. I mean, it might just be quick game,

592
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Speaker 6: quick gameplay, action, take take, maybe a deep shot every

593
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Speaker 6: once in a while. But you got to be very

594
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Speaker 6: careful strategic as to not get him hit too much

595
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Speaker 6: because you know he's already your backup. You don't want

596
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Speaker 6: to go to your third stringer, which will be your

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Speaker 6: second stringer. And we keep saying this over and over again,

598
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Speaker 6: and we see, we see, you know, some larger glimpses

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Speaker 6: of it, and actually trends in the last couple of

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Speaker 6: games actually run the football with a lot of access.

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Speaker 6: So it does seem like if you're gonna give yourself

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Speaker 6: a chance, a fighting chance in Seattle, then you you

603
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Speaker 6: do have to run the ball and Brosemur is just

604
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Speaker 6: going to have to be very quick and he's got

605
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Speaker 6: a great quick trigger. That's the one thing that they

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Speaker 6: love about him is his quickness to decide and the

607
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 6: quickness at which the ball comes out. And you know,

608
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Speaker 6: obviously small samples from all of us, from Joe Public,

609
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Speaker 6: we like what we see Ala Brosmur. Let's just hope

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Speaker 6: that it looks like that when it's an actual full

611
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 6: game plan and in fly bullets the.

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Speaker 3: When you watched McCarthy yesterday, is it, in your view

613
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Speaker 3: more of the same. Did you did you sense or

614
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Speaker 3: pick up something different yesterday, whether it was again you know,

615
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Speaker 3: fundamentals in terms of how he's throwing or reaction time,

616
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Speaker 3: or whether he's holding onto the ball too much. Was

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Speaker 3: there a common thread yesterday to the dysfunction.

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Speaker 6: He yeah, I mean I do feel like he's holding

619
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Speaker 6: on the ball too much. I do feel like he

620
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Speaker 6: is missing and not anticipating guys to be open. You know,

621
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Speaker 6: when you go back and watch some of these routes

622
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Speaker 6: in which you know he's deeming as guys not open,

623
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Speaker 6: he's going to scramble or he's got a rush to

624
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Speaker 6: not not maybe take a sack. Our guys open, and again,

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Speaker 6: I don't know what the progression is. I don't know

626
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Speaker 6: who's one, who's three, who's four, Like I obviously know

627
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Speaker 6: where the checkdowns are, but there does seem to be

628
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Speaker 6: this overriding theme that he's not delivering the football as

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Speaker 6: these guys are coming out of breaks, and if he

630
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Speaker 6: does anticipate these throws, they are open. You know, KOs

631
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Speaker 6: is designing these things to be open, and it's got

632
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Speaker 6: to be frustrating when you're calling the right play against

633
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 6: the right coverage and the ball is not being delivered

634
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 6: on time when it's supposed to be and then he

635
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 6: goes out on other plays and takes unnecessary sacks. You know,

636
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 6: there are plays and game situations. I mean, the one

637
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Speaker 6: that was infuriating was, you know, I think it was

638
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Speaker 6: second ten at the end of the first half and

639
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Speaker 6: he goes out there. I think it was right after

640
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Speaker 6: he made that night's throw to Justin Jefferson the left

641
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Speaker 6: sideline where he takes a sack, like, yeah, you can't

642
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Speaker 6: take it at that moment, you know, thank good thank goodness.

643
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Speaker 6: We have a kicker with a great leg and a

644
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Speaker 6: lot of confidence. But he almost took us out of

645
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 6: field goal range. You gotta have better game awareness than

646
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 6: some of these, some of these deals, and it's it's

647
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 6: those little things that I think kind of take away

648
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Speaker 6: from sometimes, you know, a good throw or a good

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Speaker 6: series or oh my gosh, we kind of look like

650
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 6: we have something and we got a little bit of rhythm,

651
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 6: and then it's like one fatal mistake that kind of

652
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 6: ruins the whole thing.

653
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: You know, I'm curious to get your view on this,

654
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: because you play, You were in locker rooms, and you

655
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: can speak to this, obviously with a lot more authority

656
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 3: than we can the players. You know, justin Jefferson, he

657
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: mattell us everybody continues to say the things that I'm

658
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: sure organizationally they love. You know, we're standing by our guy.

659
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: We know it's going to take time, there's patience, et cetera.

660
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: But I tend to think these are human beings, and

661
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: so even if that's what they are saying and what

662
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: they want to believe, I gotta believe there's a wearing

663
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: effect eventually that has to be part of the decision

664
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 3: making process for any coach. The deal of actually losing

665
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 3: you know, other players, or even if again they're mouthing

666
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: every right cliche under these conditions, that they may well

667
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 3: feel differently internally, because I assume players are wired the

668
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: same way as everybody. They're ultimately about performance, right They

669
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: they want to see good performances around them, They want

670
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: to see they want the best chance to succeed as

671
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: a team, and that's all based on performance, not just words.

672
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: So how much are you concerned about that? Do you

673
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 3: sense any of it? And is it inevitable if these

674
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: issues continue to rear their head in the short term.

675
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 6: I think that guys are they're willing to be reasonable

676
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 6: understanding that they were all once rookies before and you know,

677
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 6: you're all a first time player and we all know

678
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 6: that he's not a rookie, but you know he's essentially

679
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 6: a rankie. That of course there's patience, but like you said,

680
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 6: there is the human element of you know, you've seen

681
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 6: the metrics on some of these wide receivers and they chart,

682
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 6: you know, how far they run, how much max effort

683
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 6: they're giving. I mean, can you imagine running a couple

684
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 6: miles for a game and not getting the football ever

685
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 6: thrown to you and not feeling like there's a hope

686
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 6: that you're going to have the football thrown to you,

687
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 6: and then when it does, it might be so inaccurate

688
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 6: that it puts you in a dangerous position. You know,

689
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 6: I would think the human element. And again, I can't

690
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 6: run more than one hundred meters without getting tired and

691
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 6: wanting to take a long break. I can't imagine going

692
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 6: through a whole game where you're giving max effort to

693
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 6: break off these routes, to do all these things, to

694
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 6: you know, hand to hand combat with some of these

695
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 6: cornerbacks and then not get the football ever, or not

696
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 6: get it in an accurate spot. And I got to

697
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 6: make a tough catch, so I can I could see

698
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 6: how over time, when you don't see the improvement that

699
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 6: we think is reasonable, that you would lose a little

700
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 6: bit of that confidence. And I think that that is

701
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 6: just human nature. And you know, you couple that in

702
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 6: with the situation he's dealing with right now, and it's like,

703
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 6: come on, man, like you want to be you want

704
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 6: to be our guy. You got to be available. You know,

705
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 6: we all know the old adage. You know, you can't

706
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 6: make the club and the tub, and you got to

707
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 6: scrap and claw and do whatever you can to be

708
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 6: on the field, and it seems like he just keeps

709
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 6: getting banged up, and you can't make these improvements and

710
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 6: build that confidence when you're always on the sideline.

711
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: That's a very fair point. I have no question. It

712
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 3: looked to me Leber like this was the first game

713
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: where there was a significant Koc adjustment in the way

714
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: he called it. And you can argue that until the

715
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: muffed punt, it was working at least to the extent

716
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: that they were staying in it right. They weren't in

717
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: a great position, but they were in it at that point,

718
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: and then that kind of changed. It felt like it

719
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: almost changed everything. And then they obviously couldn't move the

720
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: ball at all in the second half. But you know,

721
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: even in the types of path game that he was calling,

722
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: or past plays he was calling, and the number of

723
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 3: times even on third and short or second and short

724
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: where he was handing the ball off again, to me,

725
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: that's the furthest Koc has gone to adjust to the

726
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: realities in the short term of what he might be

727
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 3: dealing with to try to get his kid quarterback over

728
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: the hump.

729
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's done a nice job of again

730
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 6: the last couple of games, and then you know, leaning

731
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 6: more on the run game versus the pass game. And

732
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 6: I think there's you know, there's obviously some questionable, you know,

733
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 6: decisions as far as the play calling. You know that

734
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 6: don't love the Hawkinson, you know, third and third and

735
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 6: one direct snap, I mean, probably not the guy that

736
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 6: you know you're just going to get you that yard.

737
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 6: But as far as the philosophy goes, I mean, we

738
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 6: were definitely more run versus pass at halftime, and like

739
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 6: you said, it was working, and I think both teams

740
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 6: kind of took a similar approach, he says, of the

741
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 6: way the defenses can play, and so both sides really

742
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 6: kind of played a it was a boring brand of football,

743
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 6: but it's winning brand of football as long as you

744
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 6: don't turn the ball over and make the catastrophic mistake.

745
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 6: And that's what ended up happening in the second half.

746
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 6: And you know, I kind of alluded this to like

747
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 6: my feelings after the game that I'm more disappointed in

748
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 6: how the lack of response from the team when things

749
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 6: started to cascade downhill. And all we've heard from this

750
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 6: team ever since Koc got here is the word resilience.

751
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 6: We've been down in games before, but gosh, darren't these

752
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 6: guys are resilient. They fought back and we won this game,

753
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 6: and hey, against all odds, we overcame this. We're still resilient.

754
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 6: And then we have one special team's mistake. Two plays

755
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 6: later they score and you could just feel it like

756
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 6: it was it was almost over at that point. When

757
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 6: we look back into hindsight and you know, we go

758
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 6: two more drives on offense, we give up three sacks

759
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 6: on three three and outs and it's like, what is

760
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 6: going on? Like, how could how did you guys implode

761
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 6: so dramatically? I've never seen that from from Koc's team.

762
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fair point. Liber Ben Leber is joining us,

763
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 3: we well might as well get to the hopsplash player

764
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: of the game. These are always harder, I think when

765
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: the team loses, but not impossible you because you know

766
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: it's occasionally somebody plays well or somebody grabs your attention.

767
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: Who is it gonna who's the lucky recipient this week?

768
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 6: Well let's go with the guy that I I did watch.

769
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 6: I think a lot of people were watching when they

770
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 6: could on the TV screens to see how Ryan Kelly

771
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 6: was playing. You know, it's nice to have him back

772
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 6: in the lineup, and to me, uh, he looked like

773
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 6: he went out there and played without any reservations. I'm

774
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 6: sure that you know. He actually mentioned it after the

775
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 6: game that there was a couple of snaps early on

776
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 6: where it was like, you know, maybe kind of testing

777
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 6: the waters out subconsciously, but once you start running downhill

778
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 6: and having success, he was out there full blow or

779
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 6: full go, and and I thought he played well. They

780
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 6: did a lot of running to the right hand side

781
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 6: of that of that offensive line, and he's a big

782
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 6: part of that success. And I did not see any

783
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 6: major inside penetration on the pass rush other than maybe

784
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 6: you know, one Micah Parsons a gap blitz. I thought

785
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 6: he played really well, So let me give the the

786
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 6: hop splash player of the game to him.

787
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: Defense eventually also seemed to wither in terms of when

788
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 3: Green Bay just to side on that one drive, all

789
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 3: they did was hand the ball off and then they

790
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 3: said we'll settle for the three. But I also feel like,

791
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: you know, when an offense is sputtering to the degree

792
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: that the Vikings was sputtering again that offense that it does,

793
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: I know it's also to matter, but I think it

794
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: kind of reduced to almost zero, the margin for error

795
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: or of the defense. I still have problems with the

796
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: fact that they can't seem to get some takeaways, right.

797
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: You got to get that at some point. But I

798
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: think the entire team gets dragged down a little bit

799
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: when you're talking about that sort of performance offensively with

800
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: your quarterback playing at that level. I refuse to believe.

801
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: I think it affects everybody, whether it should or not.

802
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 3: What do you think, Oh, for.

803
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 6: Sure it does. You know, yes, again, you know, I

804
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 6: remember lots of times when we were defensively, sitting on

805
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 6: the bench, We're trying to get a little rest, a

806
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 6: little water, and you look up and it's already, you know,

807
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 6: second and twelve after our negative play on first down.

808
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 6: Then you see a sack and you're like, then you know,

809
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 6: on the sideline it's yelling punt team ready, and you're like,

810
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 6: she's really already. We got to go back out there,

811
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 6: And then you just see how they're not able to

812
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 6: move to football. Yeah, it's it is sort of a

813
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 6: hopeless feeling, and you do your best to be like,

814
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 6: all right, guys, at the games games on us, we

815
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 6: got to pick up our offense. You try your best,

816
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 6: and when the other team is this, they're patient, they're

817
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 6: grinding things out. It's it's not easy to get your

818
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 6: hands on the football because they're not throwing the ball.

819
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 6: You're getting worn down.

820
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

821
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 6: It's difficult to stay in those moments and just say like, oh, well, offense,

822
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 6: offense will deal with offense. We'll we'll handle our job

823
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 6: over here. No, it's a team effort, and you know,

824
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 6: sometimes and a lot of times what happens over there,

825
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 6: you feed off of it and you try to block

826
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 6: out that negativity. But on the on the flip side,

827
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 6: when they have big plays and splashy plays and momentum

828
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 6: shifting plays, well, you bet you that we feel that too,

829
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 6: because that brings us some juice and energy. So it's

830
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 6: you can't you can't have it both ways. You can

831
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 6: be like, oh, you can only accept it when it's

832
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 6: great positive news, and we have to block it out

833
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 6: now it it pretty much permeates across the whole sideline.

834
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: You know, it gets lost entirely, I'd say entirely to

835
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: a large percentage. Anyway. Through all this is the place, kicker,

836
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to think and project what several

837
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: Vikings teams, good ones might have been, like if they'd

838
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: had a kicker anything like your guy rikerd. I mean

839
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: he's absurd.

840
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 6: Oh he's I mean everything I just said about the defense.

841
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 6: I mean that is the one thing that I will

842
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 6: give kickers so much credit for is they have to

843
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 6: be in their own headspace. You know, they're on the

844
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 6: sidelines too, you know, they're they're over there, they're feeling

845
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 6: the game ebb and flow, and they celebrate the big

846
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 6: plays or can they They probably can't. You know, they

847
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 6: have to be just so headstrong and when my number

848
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 6: is called and when I'm asked to go out there

849
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 6: and kick, I got to put all emotions aside and

850
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 6: just become this sort of repetitive machine that is the

851
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 6: kicking motion and just focus on what I can do.

852
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 6: And Yeah, I think that's that's really impressive that we

853
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 6: have a guy that is that is that professional, that

854
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 6: that talented and skilled and that confident. I mean, I

855
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 6: think it's hard to do, especially team that is is

856
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 6: on a losing football team right now, how do you.

857
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: View obviously the division race is pretty much lost here

858
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: at this point from a Viking standpoint, But how do

859
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: you view, you know again, the Bears, You're still in first.

860
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: Now they gotta I think they play the Eagles this

861
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 3: week in Philly and then their schedule the rest of

862
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: the way, I think statistically is the toughest after having

863
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, easy, the easiest part of

864
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Speaker 3: it of their last play schedule earlier. So who's the

865
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: team to beat in the division? I find hard to

866
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: believe it's still it would be the Bears. But is

867
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: it Green Bay, is it Detroit? Or what do you think?

868
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 6: Now?

869
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: You know?

870
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 6: I I still think it's probably the Lions only because

871
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 6: they've been there, done that, even though the Bears Ben

872
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 6: Johnson has been there and done that. But it's different animal.

873
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 6: I think that when you're the head guy and you

874
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 6: you're in charge of sort of the mood going into

875
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 6: these these post postseason situations, I'd put my money on

876
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 6: the more seasoned team, and I think the Lions are

877
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 6: that season team, even though they they've got a lot

878
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 6: of chinks in their armor. I think I think the

879
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 6: Bears are rightfully number two. And as much as the

880
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 6: Packers just sort of systematically beat us down yesterday, I

881
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 6: still don't trust their lack of firepower on offense to

882
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 6: get in these into the into the postseason and really

883
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 6: make some noise. So I think the Bears they've got

884
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 6: a lot of weapons, and when you've got a quarterback

885
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 6: that can get out of trouble make plays at the

886
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 6: drop of a hat. I put them at number two

887
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 6: in Lions. The number.

888
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: Well, blare unhappy right here, you know, guards he's out.

889
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 3: He's in the Bahamas right now. So you've hurt Brett

890
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 3: Blakemore's feeling. Picked.

891
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 5: The Packers win six games this year, so I think

892
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 5: I think we're okay, okay, there it is.

893
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't really care about Brett's feelings.

894
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 3: To be quite honest with you, I know it's not

895
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: high on your list.

896
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Speaker 1: It's not really high.

897
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Speaker 6: I mean really any I mean it's not I love him,

898
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 6: but the fact that he's a pack Chris fan. I'm

899
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 6: just kind of lumping them all in together. I don't

900
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 6: care about their feelings. I mean, they don't care about ours.

901
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: Is Micah Parsons this good? Or was dar saw that bad?

902
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: And a couple of key plays or more more you know,

903
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: complicated than that, because it he certainly did. Micah make

904
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Speaker 3: his presence felt at key moments yesterday.

905
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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, No, he's he's that good, especially especially

906
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 6: when you see it up close with your own eyes,

907
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 6: You're like, wow, I've never seen as powerful and as

908
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 6: quick of a get off and a violent get off

909
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 6: that he has. I mean, and it's so impressive that

910
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 6: he doesn't doesn't ever seem like he comes off the field.

911
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 6: He can play with such a burst and I know

912
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 6: that he's probably not the strongest run defender, but you

913
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 6: make your money, uh, getting after the quarterback and causing chaos,

914
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 6: and he can do that, especially you know when they

915
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 6: line them up as a as a rusher in the

916
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 6: A and B gaps and he he's screaming downhill like

917
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 6: you see Blake Cashman and Eric Wilson and you get

918
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 6: that body type and that explosiveness running downhill along with

919
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 6: the other guys. And you know, now they have Lucas

920
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 6: van Ness back. I mean, that's a huge thing. I

921
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 6: think they will probably be talking about today is moving

922
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 6: you know Rashaan Gary now around a little bit more

923
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 6: and getting more out of him and putting him in

924
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 6: other situations because you know, he started off hot, but

925
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 6: it hasn't really done much and it hasn't been the

926
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 6: impact player that they've been hoping the last couple weeks.

927
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 6: And then you get Lucas van Nest back AND's a

928
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 6: really solid pass rusher, somebody you have to think about.

929
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 6: And then you get Micah Parsons that floats around. I mean,

930
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 6: that is a really really tough group. And yes he

931
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 6: is that good.

932
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a look. Certainly we're just saying, I mean,

933
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: the way the league is set up to just have

934
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Speaker 3: any defensive player or players who can be that disruptive,

935
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Speaker 3: you know, it's just you know, it's it's so unusual,

936
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Speaker 3: and I think that's why it stands out, why it's

937
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Speaker 3: so valuable.

938
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Speaker 2: Right.

939
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Speaker 6: Well, you know we I feel like we talk about

940
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 6: this every draft season, you know, every time the draft

941
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Speaker 6: comes around. I would much rather take a guy like

942
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Speaker 6: him or a guy like Saft Gardener, you know, like

943
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Speaker 6: give me a Micah Parson, yes, versus a Saft guard. Like, fine,

944
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Speaker 6: if if you want to, if you happen to fall

945
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 6: into the number one cornerback in the second round, great,

946
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 6: But if you're if you're asking me to use a

947
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 6: first round draft pick, I'm thinking defensive line. You know,

948
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 6: obviously on defense, but like if I'm saying defensive line,

949
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 6: Ed Rusher, find some guys that strike some fear in

950
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 6: the offensive line. And I guarantee you with every offensive

951
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 6: line that plays the Green Bay Packers, they have that

952
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 6: guy circle. They have a special package for him. They

953
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 6: probably have certain audibles for him because you have to

954
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 6: know where he's at every single stat all right, So you.

955
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Speaker 3: Know, the next game is Sunday in Seattle. Maybe brose Murran, oh,

956
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: I'll maybe, I'll ask it this way, what is your gut?

957
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 3: I mean, my gut is bros Is gonna start And

958
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how bad this is, but I just sense.

959
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back, if you remember, And

960
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: again I'm not saying that that McCarthy was not injured

961
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 3: originally that original injury, but the same thing. I think

962
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 3: we talked about it the night of the game or

963
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Speaker 3: during the game. I don't even think there's any discussion

964
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Speaker 3: about him being hurt. And then he ends up being hurt.

965
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Speaker 3: So my gut is he's not going to play this Sunday.

966
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: What what's the so what's the KOC message? If I

967
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 3: guess either way, but especially if Brozemer is the QB,

968
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: it's a tough place to play. They're a damn good team.

969
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: You got Sam Darnald over there. What's the what's the

970
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: KOC message?

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Speaker 6: Well, as I was saying that, I guess before, just

972
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 6: make make the quick decision and all live with whatever

973
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 6: happens after that, I think the last thing you can

974
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 6: do is hold on to the football, take an unnecessary sack,

975
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Speaker 6: potentially get injured, potentially create a turnover because you take

976
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 6: a you take a sack, and you happen to fumble

977
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 6: the football.

978
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Speaker 1: I think it's just like.

979
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 6: Designed some plays to get it out of his hands.

980
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 6: And maybe, you know, maybe he really is a savant.

981
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 6: They love him for the right reasons and he don't

982
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 6: have to pare down much. You know, maybe he comes

983
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 6: out and really surprises this because they seem to really

984
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 6: really like a lot of the things that he does.

985
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 6: And so, but going back to McCarthy, I would my gut,

986
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 6: my gut tells me in the in the concussion world

987
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 6: that we live in now, I don't see most of

988
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 6: the times. I rarely see a player go on the

989
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 6: concussion protocol list on a Monday and it's cleared by

990
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 6: And even with that being said, if we go back

991
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 6: to all the reasons why McCarthy couldn't come back from

992
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 6: Cinkle Sprain or or wouldn't be ready. They really want

993
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 6: that starting quarterback to get starting quarterback reps starting on Wednesday,

994
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 6: And if he's not going to be starting and getting

995
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 6: those first team reps on Wednesday, then even if he's

996
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 6: cleared by by Friday or Saturday, I I don't feel

997
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 6: like they feel confident that he can go out there

998
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 6: and execute the game plan at the highest level. So

999
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 6: my gut tells me he will stay in concussion protocol

1000
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 6: the whole week, probably won't take any reps, and hopefully

1001
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 6: be back by next week.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for the help as always, Happy Thanksgiving and save

1003
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Speaker 3: travels back out west for the big one in Seattle,

1004
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Speaker 3: and we'll talk next week.

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Speaker 6: All right, sounds good to have a great Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Nacho. That's Ben Lieber, former Minnesota Viking, now of

1007
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Speaker 3: course big time contributor on several programs on the fan

1008
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Speaker 3: and sideline reporter slash analyst on the Minnesota Vikings Audio Network.

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Speaker 3: So we call it now right, not entertainment network. Isn't

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Speaker 3: it the audio network? The Vikings Audio Network? Correct? Van,

1011
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Speaker 3: I've got some text to get to Ratchel on Brian

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Speaker 3: kafean text line which has now been rebooted and seems

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Speaker 3: to be working at six four six eighty six. That

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Speaker 3: are important to address us a couple of things I

1015
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Speaker 3: need to get off my chest regarding the whole Brozmer

1016
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Speaker 3: discussion and perhaps a bit of a misrepresentation of the

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Speaker 3: position of the host in that regard. And then we

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Speaker 3: will prepare for some hockey talk. Let's get some happy

1019
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Speaker 3: talk going. Another day, another shutout for your Minnesota Wild.

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Speaker 3: When do we play next? Why are we back in

1021
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Speaker 3: action soon enough? I want us to play every night

1022
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Speaker 3: right now. Serious hot as we are. We'll get Louis

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Speaker 3: on all of that, and maybe even in his own

1024
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Speaker 3: theory regarding the Vikings quarterbacks saga. That'll be about five

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Speaker 3: thirty years