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Speaker 3: are broadcasting from Oakley Greens. It's Tuesday, so we're at

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Speaker 3: Oakley Greens and there's a ton happening at Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 3: you can stick around to watch FC Cincinnati, which won

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Speaker 3: last night Game two against Columbus, and the college basketball

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Speaker 3: about last night's one nothing FC Cincinnati went over Columbus,

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Speaker 3: friend Paul Danner Junior is here though, who liked me.

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Speaker 3: Stayed up to watch the eighteen inning baseball game, Game

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Speaker 3: three of the World Series, and we both look like it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't, don't, don't look or field great, but we're

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Speaker 4: but we're here to do it. Powering through right now.

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Speaker 4: I've got I did. I stopped and picked up the

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Speaker 3: I get it. I was feeling it. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 3: feeling but I'm ready now I'm good. At what point

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Speaker 4: This is the only reason it was possible. I slept

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Speaker 4: When I moved from laying there watching to when they

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Speaker 4: Yes, they got me off the actual like, I'm not

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Speaker 4: Not to belabor this point, but usually my dog will

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to discount the future careers of Dimitrius

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Speaker 4: then they've seen that now, so they won't make that

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Speaker 4: This is what we're doing, right We're gonna let these

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Speaker 3: The ping pong tables being taken out of the lock room.

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Speaker 4: This is gonna be a players. Players are gonna hold

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Speaker 3: Meeting that went into that meeting. And that's the problem

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Speaker 4: But I mean, I just I just think in terms

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Speaker 4: late in the season games that have been debilitating. But

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Speaker 4: to have a game literally play out to every way

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Speaker 4: that it's supposed to. You play with the lead, You've

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Speaker 4: got a team that's zero to seven down at home,

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Speaker 4: momentum from Flacco in your house, offenses cruising, and then

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Speaker 4: this thing that had sort of been like been able

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Speaker 4: to be shoved under the rug a little bit for

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Speaker 4: a minute while till Flacco came in and everything else

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Speaker 4: is like, oh, oh, that thing that you felt like

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Speaker 4: you had maybe quite just enough by winning all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden just comes out and eat you alive in

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Speaker 4: front of everybody, and then you get booed off of

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Speaker 4: a field that you score thirty eight on is just yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, in terms of optics of it in the moment,

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Speaker 4: it feels like that. I'm not in terms of big

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Speaker 4: picture impact and stakes, because they can go out and

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Speaker 4: win a bunch of games the rest of the way

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Speaker 4: out and overcome that. But yeah, in terms of in

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Speaker 4: the moment that was, that's that's up there.

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Speaker 3: If not number one, I haven't ranked them, so I like,

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Speaker 3: I haven't sat down.

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Speaker 4: Got a full week of time to fill. Okay, maybe

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Speaker 4: i'll do that this week. Maybe get there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do that on the plane ride to Utah

461
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Speaker 3: and then tweet it or something on SAE.

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Speaker 4: You rank that, and I'll rank all your analogies of

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Speaker 4: what Bengals defensive players look like trying to tackle, and

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Speaker 4: then we'll compare notes.

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Speaker 3: I've got a few more. Yeah, I'm sure you do.

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Speaker 3: Shaka Heyward to the surprise of nobody goes on ir

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Speaker 3: a knee injury, and defensive tackle Mike Pennell has been released.

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Speaker 3: He played in eight games for the Bengals this season

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Speaker 3: and for about not a twelve to fIF teen minutes.

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Speaker 3: When they acquired him, he was going to be the

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Speaker 3: big off season acquisition. It didn't really take. No, It

496
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Speaker 3: was a whole lot of like wait, he's looking. Do

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Speaker 3: you see how he played?

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Speaker 4: He really solidified the run defense and did he no nothing,

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Speaker 4: I mean, did you did he?

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Speaker 3: Did he not show up at the players only meeting?

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Speaker 3: What did he look like? What do you think he

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Speaker 3: looked like playing defensive tackle? Hmm, it's a good question.

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Speaker 3: It's it kind of like an old man or rocking chair,

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Speaker 3: just kind of like, let me think about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the problem is I really can't remember watching him play.

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Speaker 3: That's definitely a problem. Right, Yeah, nothing about his time

507
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Speaker 3: in Cincinnati stood out to me. No, No, he sure didn't.

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Speaker 3: Evan Pryor. It's not looking good for Saturday. Scott Saderfield

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Speaker 3: today is said he's going to be listed as out

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Speaker 3: Growler podcast. So like, we made fun of the players

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Speaker 3: only meeting, but I was talking about this with Tony

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Speaker 3: yesterday because Tony Pike played on a winning team but

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Speaker 3: where the offense was awesome and the defense was atrocious.

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Speaker 3: And one thing we've kind of talked about this year

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Speaker 3: is say what you want about Zach. It has never

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Speaker 3: really felt like, in some of the darkest time that

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Speaker 3: you've ever looked at him and said, boy, the effort's

532
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Speaker 3: not there, or that the locker room is falling apart

533
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Speaker 3: or things are starting to splinter. But if that's ever

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Speaker 3: gonna happen, chances are it's gonna be when one part

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Speaker 3: of the team is really good. And not that the

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Speaker 3: offense was perfect on Sunday, but when one part of

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Speaker 3: the team is really good and the other is wasting

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Speaker 3: its efforts. Should that be the sort of thing we

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Speaker 3: worry about? Yeah, I mean you're I think.

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Speaker 4: You're always worried about that in situations where it's so dramatically.

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Speaker 3: Different, like it has been over the last month.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But I also you know what I thought, I mean,

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Speaker 4: leave it to the wise, the wise man at quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I thought his point after the game about look, you

545
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Speaker 4: guys need to just look to themselves, and what he

546
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Speaker 4: finds is just what you'll find is that the guys

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Speaker 4: that feel the worst about it, they care the most

548
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Speaker 4: about it, are the ones where they feel like they're

549
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Speaker 4: letting everybody else down.

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Speaker 3: They put that on themselves. It's not as much a.

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Speaker 4: Matter as the guys that are playing well, finger pointing

552
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Speaker 4: of look at these clowns. It's really far more about

553
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Speaker 4: the ones that feel like they're letting their teammates down.

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Speaker 4: It's the worse than if you just focus on yourself,

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Speaker 4: do your job and remember and he said this before,

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Speaker 4: I think when it's maybe his introductory to us, it

557
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Speaker 4: was like, don't worry about what anybody. Do your job, like,

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Speaker 4: no one cares what you're doing, man, Like, just you

559
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Speaker 4: just do your thing. Do do your job. No one's

560
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Speaker 4: worried about you. Everyone worried about themselves. When you do that,

561
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Speaker 4: those things tend to correct themselves a little bit. So

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Speaker 4: I think they have the right people in terms of

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Speaker 4: that in there.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, it's only natural, sure, But

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Speaker 3: I watched Jamar Chase on Sunday, and I thought he

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Speaker 3: gamely handled some questions that I felt like everybody was poking.

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Speaker 3: They were trying, Hey, you want to take a shot

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Speaker 3: of the defense. You want to take a shot of

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Speaker 3: the defense. You want to take a shot at.

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Speaker 4: The defense, and he and he and he didn't, and

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Speaker 4: we talked about his maturity, and I do think that

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Speaker 4: he's come a really long way in that regard.

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Speaker 3: He was better than I would have been. Yeah, no, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know exactly exactly. I would not have.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how well I've been able to handle it,

576
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Speaker 4: but I think you could sense him being like, I'm

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Speaker 4: not going to do it, Okay, guys like, yeah, I'm pissed,

578
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Speaker 4: I hate losing and all of that stuff, but I'm

579
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Speaker 4: not going to sit here and point fingers in the defense.

580
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Speaker 4: Even though everybody knows that I could, I'm not going to.

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Speaker 4: And I think when you have that at the top.

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Speaker 4: It does go a long way to everybody just being like, look,

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Speaker 4: do your thing, go score forty time and try to

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Speaker 4: go win the game and understand that that's you know,

585
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Speaker 4: everybody's everybody's doing everything.

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Speaker 3: That they can, or at least you hope that they are. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what what would have happened if like Jamar is like

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Speaker 3: I want to come to the defensive players only meeting?

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Speaker 3: He allowed, Sure, let him in.

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Speaker 4: I think he would be I don't know how many

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Speaker 4: you always like to do this game. Who's the least

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Speaker 4: offensive person, who's the lowest level offensive person that they

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Speaker 4: would allow into the defensive players only meeting? Like Jamar

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Speaker 4: would get in because he's Jamar. He can goa t

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Speaker 4: burrow like Flacco. They they could come in there. What

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Speaker 4: at what point is it? Like is it like Yoshi

597
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Speaker 4: Pok poking his head in the door, like hey.

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Speaker 3: Guys, No, I like, I don't know that guy's got

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Speaker 3: problems with his own No A fan, no a fan.

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Speaker 3: That's the line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a veteran, Yes, so he should be allowed

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Speaker 4: in to come say something.

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Speaker 3: He would be like allowed to poke his head in,

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Speaker 3: poke his head in, but not attend and They're like,

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Speaker 3: but hey, Tanner's got to stay outside, right, like they

606
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Speaker 3: would let like you would think they would like Keris,

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Speaker 3: they would let Orlando Brown, right, those guys right, But

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Speaker 3: but anybody else I think would be told. No, I

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Speaker 3: hate meetings.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I have a job in radio because I don't have

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Speaker 3: to get dressed up and because I don't have to

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Speaker 3: go to meetings. When there are meetings, I asked the

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Speaker 3: same question every single time. Will there be snacks? Will

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Speaker 3: there be I've worked for people who are like, all right,

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Speaker 3: well we have to have a meeting. Yes, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: ask do you think they had snacks? No? Booze definitely not. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going I feel like I feel.

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Speaker 4: Like maybe there was uh imprompt to Sunday night meeting

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Speaker 4: with Booze.

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Speaker 3: Probably, I would imagine.

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Speaker 4: Now here's the one thing about the team offensively, they're

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Speaker 4: like a decent running team.

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Speaker 3: Now decent how about this?

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Speaker 4: So we had we had Justin Hill, running backs coach,

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Speaker 4: on the Rewatch Show Monday, and I went through just

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Speaker 4: parsing out the last month. And so in the month

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Speaker 4: of October, the Bengals had the number one rushing offense

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Speaker 4: in the NFL. In terms of efficiency success, right, and

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Speaker 4: now they're all they do is get explosives. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: It's and it's p Ryan too well. They've found a

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Speaker 4: really nice mix. I think Samaje, you know, the nature

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Speaker 4: of the way they use him, their tendency with him

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Speaker 4: of when he's out there, he's going to be in

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Speaker 4: pass pro standing next to Flacco now and you just

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Speaker 4: kind of there look pass and especially the way they

637
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Speaker 4: use the receivers on outside the numbers and stuff.

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Speaker 3: You can find those alleys.

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Speaker 4: Up and they have made a living off of these

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Speaker 4: p RN middle runs on second long which I know

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Speaker 4: you love second long runs, and they've they've found explosives

642
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Speaker 4: out of them, they've found efficient runs out of them.

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Speaker 4: He's he's had this kind of downhill power thing that

644
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Speaker 4: helps those be efficient to get your third and five

645
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Speaker 4: or six, which Flacco has been really good at.

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Speaker 3: And so when you have that, like, it's made for

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Speaker 3: a nice one too.

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Speaker 4: I would not have thought before the season that you

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Speaker 4: would have had him carve out this much of a

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Speaker 4: role with Chase Brown had taken as much as strides

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Speaker 4: as he had. But I think he's helped Chase Brown

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Speaker 4: because Chase Brown looks fresh and explosive when he's out there.

653
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Speaker 4: He doesn't not that he would wear down, but he

654
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: certainly looks fresh and with with a lot of energy.

655
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Speaker 4: And they just kind of created a nice, a nice combo.

656
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Speaker 4: And that was my question for Justin Hill. I said,

657
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Speaker 4: if if I talk to you on the flight back

658
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Speaker 4: from Denver on Monday night football and said, guess what,

659
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Speaker 4: over the next month, you're going to have the number

660
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Speaker 4: one rushing offense in football by efficiency, what would you

661
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Speaker 4: And He's just like, you know, they have had such

662
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 4: an uphill climb to get to that point. Yeah, I

663
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Speaker 4: think that there's you know that it's a kudos to

664
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Speaker 4: that group because that looked dead in the water.

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Speaker 3: You talk about historically awful.

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Speaker 4: Yes, maybe that's something as we try to spend this

667
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: hour finding things to latch onto. If you can do

668
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 4: that with the run game, then maybe you can do

669
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Speaker 4: something with the defense going from historically awful. But the

670
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 4: problem is there's not one person that can come in

671
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Speaker 4: and really change the entire dynamic of the defense like

672
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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco did for the offense.

673
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Speaker 3: Also was seven minutes to go and you're gashing them

674
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Speaker 3: on the ground. The previous drive. They were awesome on

675
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Speaker 3: the ground, and you're trying to kill some clock, salt

676
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: the game away. Could you call a running play? Yeah,

677
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Speaker 3: no doubt.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think between that and I don't you know,

679
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Speaker 4: I know I've seen the less drive, second and ten

680
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Speaker 4: run getting beat up a little bit. I didn't have

681
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 4: a problem with that. I mean the timing before it. Yeah,

682
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Speaker 4: I love the amount of time that they let run off.

683
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Speaker 4: But I didn't have a problem because they had been

684
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Speaker 4: getting explosives out of it, and they were only a

685
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Speaker 4: couple of first downs with multiple timeouts left away from

686
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Speaker 4: getting into field goal range. I understand the hesitation of

687
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Speaker 4: being like, you know, really when it gets one yard,

688
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: but they had had so many productive runs like that

689
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 4: in that situation, and you had to feel like, Okay,

690
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: you've got the defense. Maybe thinking past as well, you

691
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: could pop another one of those. They had just popped

692
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Speaker 4: them with Chase Brown. That didn't bother me as much.

693
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Speaker 4: Tony brought this up yesterday.

694
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Speaker 3: Fourth down. Your quarterback was just in the locker room.

695
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: The game and the season are hanging in the balance.

696
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: You don't call one of those timeouts to talk about it. Now.

697
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: The look I like you needed them. Yeah, but I

698
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: mean it doesn't matter if you don't convert. I understand.

699
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: Just give your quarterback a chance to catch his breath.

700
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 3: Tell Andre, let's put some stick them on the gloves

701
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Speaker 3: or something like the second down run.

702
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say, and needs to get separation more

703
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 4: than I would fall. I would follow him for the

704
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 4: route more than the catch more. But they're both I

705
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 4: mean they're pile to him. I mean, I thought that

706
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: was the moment they missed Kasiki, the one moment they

707
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 4: miss Kasiki more than anything where you get the double

708
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 4: double beater where Gasiki against a linebacker, he just is

709
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 4: beating people off the line. He's getting free, whereas Yoshi

710
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: got caught up, couldn't get free, couldn't get that. I mean,

711
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: that is I you know, that's a Gasiki ball if

712
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: I've ever seen one. And so I thought that was

713
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 4: the first moment since he's gone down that it felt

714
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: glaring that they were missing him, and they have been,

715
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: because you know, you've seen the Yoshi. Stuff that's happened

716
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: that hasn't been catching up is stuff that would be

717
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 4: uh would be directed to Mike.

718
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: I thought about Jermaine Burton really yeah. I mean because

719
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: if if you're if because you wanted to break walls

720
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Speaker 3: in your house, No, because if you're frustrated with Andre Joshavas,

721
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: you go, okay, well who else is there? The answer

722
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 3: should be a do you use a third round pick on?

723
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Speaker 3: Last year? I know he's the lowest of all low

724
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: hanging fruits, but like the Andre Yoshavas conversation has kind

725
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 3: of picked up steam, and I get it is having

726
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: a hard time getting open, but I feel like he's

727
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: kind of being cast in a role that he shouldn't

728
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: be in because of their failures, because of the Kasiki

729
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: being hurt and being Jamaine Burton, right, I mean it's

730
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 3: that problem is not going anywhere. How many wins will

731
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: it take to win the AFC North? I think nine

732
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: in a tie break? Can the Bengals get to sure?

733
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: Think so, yeah, got goes six and two right the

734
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: rest of the way? What's six and five? I mean, yeah,

735
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: six and three the rest of the way. Yeah, I

736
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: mean it's you know, it's not great. I don't can

737
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: I mean sure, I don't know. It doesn't feel great obviously,

738
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Speaker 3: and I don't think that their defense is gonna get bad.

739
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: I went I did the work of looking at the

740
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 3: last ten years, the teams that were in this bottom

741
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Speaker 3: fifteen worst defensive suiting the first half of the season

742
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Speaker 3: over the last ten years. Bengals are in there, Cowboys

743
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Speaker 3: this year in there, And I would just look at

744
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: those teams, looked at where they all ended. You don't

745
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: want to know it doesn't get better. How about this,

746
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: Almost all.

747
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Speaker 4: Of them still ended up in the bottom three defensively

748
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Speaker 4: after their first tech. Something that the improvement, like the

749
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Speaker 4: idea of it improving dramatically. Maybe you get a little bit,

750
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Speaker 4: you can maybe get up into the like twenty five

751
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: twenty four area, but like you're you're probably gonna still

752
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 4: have the worst defensive football.

753
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: If they score one more point than the Chicago Bears

754
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: on Sunday, that's what everybody's gonna talk about for two weeks.

755
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 3: When you know they've survived this, they're a game under

756
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 3: at the bys, do some self scouting, some self scout,

757
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: right scout, do some self scouting, get to buy and

758
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: come back beat the Steelers once.

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Speaker 4: Sure, it don't look like world beaters. I mean, I

760
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 4: don't think anybody looks like world beaters. I think we've

761
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 4: now reached to the point where Vegas is looking at

762
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: us all like, we told you, Yes, the Ravens, we

763
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 4: told you the ravens. Okay, that went over Chicago by

764
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Speaker 4: the by Snoop Puntley. Yes, is going to turn out

765
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: to be massive. Yes, because they could have fallen to

766
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 4: one and six, and we know how that math goes. Now,

767
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: now the doors open, the doors open, Lamar's back and

768
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 4: their schedule. They have a chance to really go on

769
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 4: a run here and they you know, they can be

770
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: and and the fact that Pittsburgh has come back to

771
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 4: the pack opens the door for them to come right

772
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 4: back into it. Whereas it would have felt like, man,

773
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: maybe that's one loss too many. If the Bears take

774
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 4: them out in Baltimore, we may look back at that as.

775
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Speaker 3: Something well, thank you as always. Yeah, it was great,

776
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Speaker 3: It was really was. It really was great for me. Yeah,

777
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 3: I get to get stuff off my chest. Yeah, get

778
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: your analysis of things. I don't feel any better sometimes.

779
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 3: I like we tried though. Look, I felt like we

780
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: really tried today. We tried to latch onto some things.

781
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: We tried to find something to help people. Yeah, we

782
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 3: don't want people to have their dabbers down all the time. No,

783
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 3: we're trying. I don't want down all the time. No,

784
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: pick it up, let's go. And the thing is, like

785
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: I did, we did fifty two minutes. And I badly

786
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: want to make fun of Corey Dylon, but I'm not

787
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Speaker 3: even gonna make you do that. Oh I wouldn't mind. Well, no,

788
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: I'm not. No, I mean his I.

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Speaker 4: What I pre Here's what I appreciate about Corey Dillon. Yeah,

790
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: he has never been anything other than on brand. Like

791
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 4: at every turn, this is who Corey is. Yes, he's

792
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 4: just he's he's gonna be angry, he's gonna be mad

793
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 4: about stuff. He's gonna feel disrespected, often delusionally, sometimes rightfully.

794
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Speaker 3: In this instance, it's not rightfully. It's not right. Understand.

795
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Speaker 3: I know it's not rightfully in the sistance.

796
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Speaker 4: But over the course of all the way back to

797
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: Corey as a player, to the time that he went

798
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 4: off to me and and you know, I said, hey,

799
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 4: what do you want me to do with this? He said,

800
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 4: print it, print every word of it. I did, And

801
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: then there was this tour about how I shouldn't have

802
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: done that. You know that that happened, and it's like

803
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: this is this is kind of this is just kind

804
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 4: of what it is. And and if you've decide that

805
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: you want to be disrespected and that's going to be

806
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: part of your personality, I think that's part of Corey's personality.

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00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: I've liked Corey, Like every.

808
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 4: Time I have talked to Corey met Corey interviewed one of.

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Speaker 3: My favorite guests, whoever, he's this Austen phenomenal.

810
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 4: I hate that this stuff repeatedly seems to happen where

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00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 4: it's always got to be so have so much animosity,

812
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: but you know, so so it goes.

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00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: I think it's just kind of it's consistent. You know,

814
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: it's remarkable.

815
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: It's consistent over over every aspect and every every portion

816
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Speaker 4: of his career.

817
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: All Right, we have to go. Thank you as always,

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Speaker 3: It's awesome to have you as always. Good afternoon, How

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Speaker 3: are you good?

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Speaker 11: How are you buddy?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, I'm better After last night, it felt like

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Speaker 3: best against Columbus this year. It felt like they did

866
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Speaker 3: control most of the game. Is that how you felt.

867
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, they were the better team on the night. I

868
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 11: thought they did a real good job. I think Pat

869
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 11: Noon and his dah listen, they had a full week

870
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 11: to prepare for it, right, so I think their defensive

871
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 11: posture and the way they kind of went after him.

872
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 11: I thought the first twenty minutes was really, really good,

873
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 11: and then Celotano had to make a good save on

874
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 11: Max Arsten late in the first half. But they had

875
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 11: the better chances. And it's still and we'll get into this,

876
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 11: it's still just the finest of margins off between Brenner,

877
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 11: Evander and Dentgate. But they're three really good players and

878
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 11: when you give them enough, they're going to find a

879
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 11: way to score a goal. I just thought that as

880
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 11: a whole, they were the better team. They probably should

881
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 11: have scored two or three goals on the night, and

882
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 11: in typical fashion under pad Noon and they'll win a

883
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 11: game by one goal and be confident in doing so.

884
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: They score the goal, and then I was expecting the

885
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: feeling like you're hanging on for dear life, and obviously,

886
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: you know, if the equalizer comes, you know, maybe it's

887
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 3: a different outcome. I just relative to how they've played

888
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: against Columbus, not just this year but in the past,

889
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: and that twenty twenty three game sort of looms over

890
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: this entire series. It didn't feel to me like they

891
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: were hanging on for dear life. They felt control of

892
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: those final twenty fifteen to twenty minutes. Yeah.

893
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 11: I mean to your point, They've played now nineteen times

894
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 11: Columbus Cincinnati, and in six of those games Cincinnati's had

895
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 11: a two goal lead. They've only won two of those,

896
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Speaker 11: and so there is this like eerie feeling when Cincinnati

897
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 11: goes up. You brought twenty twenty three Eastern Conference Final

898
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 11: even this year. They were up to zero in July.

899
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 11: They lost that game for too Now, in saying that,

900
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 11: I think we've got to be very objective about it.

901
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 11: Columbus doesn't have their designated player number nine, so that

902
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 11: changes the way they look. They're not real threatening. They'll

903
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 11: still create chances because will for Nanci and the way

904
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 11: they go about their I would say infrastructure in the

905
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 11: final third. They'll create chances just through their system and

906
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 11: the way they moved the ball. But I never saw

907
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 11: a real threatening Columbus crew. Now, could Columbus have scored

908
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 11: a goal or two, absolutely MaTx, Harpsten Andres Herrera. But

909
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 11: who are we talking about. We're talking about their wing

910
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 11: backs and so Mo. That's why I just feel Diego

911
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 11: Rossi he missed for the last five games. He played

912
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 11: seventy five minutes last night, but he's playing out of position.

913
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 11: They just don't have the perfect balance in the final third,

914
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 11: so Columbus isn't going to be at full strength. And

915
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 11: so that's why I think you felt the way you

916
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 11: did in saying, yeah, we had a one zero lead,

917
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 11: Cincinnati's got it, and it felt like it was in

918
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 11: the bag the entire time.

919
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: Taylor Twelman is with this MLS season past Apple TV.

920
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: The playoffs continue tonight in the Eastern Conference Charlotte and

921
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: New York City. I want to get to the East

922
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 3: as a whole in just a second, But with Game

923
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 3: two looming on Sunday, how do you expect both coaches

924
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: to adjust to what happened last night?

925
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 11: I think Pat Newton will reiterate the same principles, reiterate

926
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Speaker 11: that collectively, if they're in sync with their defensive structure

927
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 11: and they pressed in the right moments, they'll be good.

928
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 11: They've got to get a different a vander than what

929
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 11: they got last night. To my opinion, I think Evander

930
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 11: at times was trying to do way too much with

931
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 11: nutmegs and tricks and all of that. When Evander plays

932
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 11: real simple, no, I think he's arguably the second best

933
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 11: player in the league bhind Lionel Messi, and so he

934
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 11: can pull off the spectacular. But at times last night

935
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 11: I thought it was too much flair. I think the

936
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 11: bigger question mark is for Columbus. How can Columbus personnel

937
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 11: wise change the complexion of their attack? How can they

938
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 11: change the balance. And I've said this two or three

939
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 11: times in the broadcast, particularly in the second half. I'm

940
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 11: getting Diego Rossi out of the middle and I'm going

941
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 11: to play him in a wide spot at some point

942
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 11: and find someone else to play that spot to occupy

943
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 11: Miles Robbinson last night. So I think it's going to

944
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 11: be a little bit more the same. From Pat noonon,

945
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 11: I think it's gonna be a little bit different than

946
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 11: I thought. Well, for Nazi's quote before the game was brilliant.

947
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 11: When Cincinnati Columbus play, it's a jazz song, you just

948
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 11: got to find a different way and a different song

949
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 11: and a different note to play because Both coaches are

950
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 11: so stubborn in how they go about their structure, but

951
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 11: they're also very successful in doing so. So I think

952
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 11: the onus is more on Columbus than it is Cincinnati.

953
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: How good's Roman Salatano, He's good.

954
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 11: I think he's actually seen and realized where he can

955
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 11: be this year. I think there are early on this year,

956
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 11: if I'm not mistaken. I think it was the Columbus

957
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 11: game he made two or three saves where now, all

958
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 11: of a sudden, he's realizing his potential. I still think

959
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 11: there's another level moment. I may be on the outside

960
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 11: looking in on this, but I still think there's another

961
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 11: level or two for him regarding leadership, regarding his feet.

962
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 11: But the reaction saves, the ability to make this save

963
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 11: in the moment. He has really grown into a prominent

964
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 11: goalkeeper in that aspect. But I still think at the

965
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 11: inner national level and if he wants to further his

966
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 11: career wherever it may be, I still think there's another

967
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 11: level or two. And I'm not I don't think I'm

968
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 11: being too critical. I think I'm just being transparent in

969
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 11: showing that he can get there. If you look at

970
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 11: the other goalkeeper, Patrick Schulte, who came into this playoffs

971
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 11: with huge question marks. He was fantastic last night. His

972
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 11: feet are better than Selatano. So right there, just that

973
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 11: comparison of Schulte Selatano is Selatano's feet improve a little

974
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 11: bit more. You're talking about arguably the best goalie in

975
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 11: MLS we've had.

976
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: In the East. Philadelphia, Miami, and FC Cincinnati each get

977
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 3: out to one nothing leads. Charlotte and New York City

978
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: start their series tonight, so we're a game away, our guest,

979
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: two games away from getting messy versus Evander in the

980
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference semifinals. Break down the Eastern Conference as a

981
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: whole form well.

982
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 11: Up to this point, you and I speaking the home

983
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 11: team as it has won the first game in every

984
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 11: series up to this point. Charlotte and LAFC will try

985
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 11: to continue tonight and tomorrow night. I think that continues.

986
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 11: I will be shocked if New York City wins tonight,

987
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 11: and I don't think Austin really has a chance in

988
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 11: the LAFC series. The Eastern Conference is a real interesting one.

989
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 11: I thought Chicago I'll played Philadelphia the other night. I

990
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 11: think Philadelphia was lucky to win on penalties, and I

991
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 11: just listen. Nashville on decision Day should have scored at

992
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 11: half time then expected goals of three point one. What

993
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 11: that means for your listeners is they were expected to

994
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 11: at least score three goals in forty five minutes against Miami.

995
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 11: They ended up losing the game five to two. So

996
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 11: this Saturday night in Nashville, MESSI and Miami, they're gonna

997
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 11: have their hands full because Nashville is gonna be that team,

998
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 11: not the team we saw in Leg one. And Miami

999
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 11: doesn't want to go to a third game. They just don't.

1000
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 11: They lost to Atlanta last year's the number one seed,

1001
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 11: they don't want to go there. So that's gonna be

1002
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 11: very interesting. I think Columbus is gonna give Cincinnati everything,

1003
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 11: throw the kitchen sink at him. They don't want that

1004
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 11: to be the last game at Darlington Nagby's career. I

1005
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 11: think we're a long way of really handicapping the East

1006
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 11: right now. But I would be shocked if it's not

1007
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 11: Cincinnati host in Miami because both teams rightfully so against

1008
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 11: their opponents they're the better team. But how often do

1009
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 11: we talk about the better team not winning? And I

1010
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 11: don't want to bring up your Bengals losing to the Jets,

1011
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 11: because that'd be a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

1012
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 3: Well, you had to twist a knife even further. Uh that, Yes,

1013
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: that's all right, you know what. It ain't like we

1014
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: haven't been talking about it ourselves. FC Cincinnati and Columbus

1015
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 3: up north Sunday at six point thirty. The MLS Cup

1016
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 3: playoffs can be seen on Apple TV's MLS Season Pass,

1017
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: where you can watch our guy Taylor twelvem and awesome

1018
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: to have you, man. I do appreciate it as always,

1019
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: Thanks so much.

1020
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 11: Yep, thanks for having me.

1021
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: But you got it a fun game last night. It

1022
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: felt like felt like they were in control. Columbus is

1023
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: number two and made League Soccer in times of possession

1024
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: over fifty eight percent. They possessed the ball for about

1025
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: fifty two percent of the game last night, and we've

1026
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 3: if you're an FC Cincinnati fan, you've watched a lot

1027
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: of games like that, including here down the stretch where

1028
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: they may score, they may take the lead, and it

1029
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 3: just feels like they're hanging on for dear life. Columbus

1030
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 3: had chances in the final minutes, had a couple of

1031
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 3: chances in extra time, but it didn't feel chaotic. It

1032
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: didn't feel like FC Cincinnati ever really relinquished control of

1033
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: the game. They jump out to a one nothing lead

1034
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: in the series, a chance to wrap it up in Columbus,

1035
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: which as cool as as cool as it is to

1036
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: win at home, it would be awesome to wrap up

1037
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: the series up there six point thirty on a Sunday night.

1038
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: You could, of course listen to it on Fox Sports

1039
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: thirteen to sixty. Fun atmosphere for that game last night

1040
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: at the soccer venue on the West end of Cincinnati.

1041
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 3: More on that coming up here, and just a bit,

1042
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: our guy Sean Say at Stats and Schemes is going

1043
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 3: to join us. Because it's Tuesday at five twenty, we

1044
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: are free for about an hour. Five point three seven

1045
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: four nine fifteen thirty and eight six six seven h

1046
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 3: two three seven seven six will get you in. We've

1047
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 3: got Game three of the World Series, which was epic

1048
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: last night to talk about. We've got some Bengals injury

1049
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 3: issues to discuss. We have a possible Bengals injury issue

1050
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 3: that we at least have to acknowledge. And the imaginary

1051
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 3: conversation I keep finding myself having with Duke Tobin. That

1052
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: coming up a little bit later on, But first, I

1053
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: cannot imagine being a fan of a certain team today.

1054
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: That next when we come back to Oakley Greens on

1055
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

1056
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 6: Station, Cincinnati's espre.

1057
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 10: This is Football in the NATI, brought to you by

1058
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 10: Modern Office Methods on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

1059
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 10: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1060
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: You know, football in the NATI. You can obviously, by

1061
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: the way, You're not being pulled over right now. Don't

1062
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: start panicking looking in your rearview mirror. Uh oh, it's

1063
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: going a little bit too fast. No, no, so we're

1064
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: just Tarren loves Bubba Sparks for some reason. So we're

1065
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: good not being pulled over. We're at Oakley Greens. It's

1066
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 3: you know, football in the NATTI. It's a great place

1067
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 3: to watch football. But you know, you think it Next

1068
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: week college basketball starts, right sweet glorious college basketball. I did.

1069
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: We're getting college basketball coaches on the show this week.

1070
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: Richard Patino's gonna join us on Thursday. I think we

1071
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: have Wes Miller tomorrow. Terren's efforting Darren Horn this week,

1072
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: and so we're excited for the start of the college

1073
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 3: basketball season. I watched UC's exhibition game against Arkansas, and

1074
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 3: that I instantly wished I didn't watch UC's basketball exhibition

1075
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 3: against Arkansas. So this college basketball season, you can watch

1076
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: your favorite team, even if it's not one of those

1077
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Speaker 3: three schools I mentioned, Even if it's like Milma Mater

1078
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 3: Druby's beloved Dayton Flyers, you can watch them here. Your

1079
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 3: favorite college basketball team all year long, from November to March,

1080
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: you could watch at Oakley Greens. It's unbelievable college bask

1081
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: I'm old enough to remember when the college basketball season

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00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 3: would start like December first, and we're gonna have games

1083
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 3: on November third, which it's not a complaint. I don't

1084
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: know if you stayed up to watch Game three of

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00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 3: the World Series last night, six hours and thirty nine

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00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 3: minutes of just awesome classic October baseball, a game that

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00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 3: had everything. Great defensive plays, questionable managerial strategy, some beyond

1088
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 3: clutch pitching, including by Clayton Kershaw, the Hall of Famer,

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00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: in the thirteenth inning, when he was brought in to

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00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 3: get an out with the bases loaded, the first time

1091
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 3: he's ever pitched in an extra inning show. Hey Otani

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00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: reaching base nine times. It was just an awesome sporting event.

1093
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 3: And like none of us are Dodgers fans, God knows,

1094
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 3: I'm not. An awesome sporting event at an iconic venue

1095
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 3: which just looks cool as hell on TV, and they

1096
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: played real baseball and extra innings. I know it's not

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00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 3: going away. It's been there since twenty twenty six seasons

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00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 3: of the Magic Runner. And you know the rule is

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00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: bs because when the games really count in the postseason,

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00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: we get rid of the Magic Runner and we actually

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00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: make teams earn runs in extra innings. And then Freddie

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00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 3: Freeman walks it off in the eighteenth inning, the first

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00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 3: player in history to have two walk off home runs

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Speaker 3: in World Series play walked off the Yankees in the

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00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 3: tenth inning of Game one last season. Just an awesome,

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00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: awesome sporting event, a great baseball game. I cannot imagine

1107
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 3: being a Toronto Blue Jay. Now, all right, your team's

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00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 3: in the World Series, which is cool, Like I'd gladly

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00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: trade you. I guess the Reds lost their playoff games

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00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: in nine innings. You stay up until three o'clock in

1111
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: the morning, like if you're not invested, like I watched

1112
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 3: that game, and I went to bed, and it took

1113
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 3: me five to ten minutes of fall asleep. If you

1114
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: stayed up to three o'clock in the morning and you're

1115
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 3: a Toronto Blue Jays fan and your team lost that game,

1116
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: I don't know how you sleep. Like you're you're today,

1117
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 3: you're running on fumes and by the way, game four

1118
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: is tonight and then you get another game tomorrow. It's like,

1119
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 3: if you're a Dodgers fan, it's it's I'm not gonna sleep.

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00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 3: Pretty good chance to live in the West Coast, so

1121
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: it's not three o'clock in the morning, But there's the difference.

1122
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 3: There's a major difference between you're you're up and you

1123
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: can't sleep because you're excited and there's adrenaline, and you're

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00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 3: up and you're laying there agonizing over all the missed

1125
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 3: opportunities and what ifs of an eighteen inning World Series game.

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00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: So like people are gonna say, like, well, how are

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00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: the Blue jay Is gonna bounce back? To their professional athletes.

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Speaker 3: Professional athletes are extraordinarily resilient, Like they lose baseball games

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00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 3: all the time. Now it's fair to wonder are they

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00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: gonna be able to touch shoe. Heyo tani tonight is

1131
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 3: Shane Bieber gonna be up to the task? I just

1132
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: I look at that through a fans lens. You stay

1133
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: up till three o'clock in the morning, you know you're

1134
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: not gonna sleep right. If your team wins, the excitement's

1135
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 3: probably gonna keep you up all night. If you lose,

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: how do you fall right asleep? I don't know that's

1137
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: worth mentioning. In twenty eighteen, the Dodgers won an eighteen

1138
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 3: in the game in the World Series, Max Munsey won

1139
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 3: Game three and the Boston Red Sox won that series,

1140
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: won it in five games, and so there was a

1141
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: bounce backability. And if you remember, if you were watching,

1142
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: I know it's been seven years. In Game four, the

1143
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 3: Dodgers had a four to nothing lead. They won Game

1144
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 3: three and eighteen, had were nothing lead in the middle

1145
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: innings of Game four, and that Red Sox came back

1146
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: won that game nine to six, won Game five the

1147
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: next day and took the series in five. And so

1148
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: we'll see if the Jays are able to bounce back that.

1149
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 3: They're obviously going to be managing through the uncertainty that

1150
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: comes with having used all your relief pitchers. Dave Roberts

1151
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 3: is going to be doing the same thing, and so

1152
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: which starting pitcher can give his team the most length.

1153
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 3: I know nobody's rooting for the Dodgers, and that's fine.

1154
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm rooting for a six or seven game series. Shoheotani's

1155
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: like it's an overused term, it's the ultimate unicorn. It's

1156
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: the greatest show in all the sports. It's the greatest

1157
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: show in all the sports, which I thought Barry Bonds

1158
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 3: was for years. And like a baseball player can only

1159
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: have so much of an impact on any game, or

1160
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: any team or any season. You have the Toronto Blue

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00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 3: Jays in the middle of the World Series acknowledging publicly,

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00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: we're not pitching to this guy yes night, early this

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01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: morning in extra innings, they were putting him on base

1164
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 3: with him representing the winning run, hitting in front of

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01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: guys like Mookie Bets and Freddie Freeman, acknowledging that he

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01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: could steal a base. He did try to steal second

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01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: base last night after one of the intentional walks, and

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01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: he came off the bag and so he was tagged.

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Speaker 3: I think the otherwise would have been successful. Barry Bonds

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01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: obviously was walked one year, walked two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: two times intentionally. The intentional walk. Back then, you actually

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01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 3: had to throw four balls outside the strike zone. Now

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01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 3: they just told a guy to go to first base,

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Speaker 3: and Barry Bonds was respected unlike any hitter any of

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01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 3: us have ever seen. But it's a little different here.

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Speaker 3: We're in the middle of a World Series. The dude

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Speaker 3: is batting leadoff with great protection in a great lineup,

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Speaker 3: and the Blue Jays are saying, in extra innings, we

1179
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 3: would rather put you on and pitch to Mookie Bets

1180
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 3: than even attempt to throw a strike to show Heyo

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01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 3: Tani that game, and I I understand how the World

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01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 3: Series works. It's buried against money night football last night,

1183
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 3: and there was an FC Cincinnati game last night, and

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01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: it's the Dodgers and Jays and there's no real connection.

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01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: And baseball fans are great at coming up with excuses

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Speaker 3: for why they don't watch. Last year it was I

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01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 3: hate the big markets. Two years ago Texas and Arizona,

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01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 3: it was I hate the small markets, Like, just say

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Speaker 3: you don't like to watch baseball, and that's your teams

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Speaker 3: playing in it. But that was a special special sporting event.

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Speaker 3: It was also like, as much as social media can

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Speaker 3: really suck sometimes, and as much as it coulds suck

1193
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: the life out of you, Twitter specifically, haven't made the

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01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 3: leap to Blue Sky or threads full time Twitter specifically,

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01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 3: it can be a lot of fun when there's this

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Speaker 3: shared experience like that last night. Like I look at

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Speaker 3: my timeline during the last six to seven innings of

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Speaker 3: that game. There's no politics, there's no government shut down,

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Speaker 3: and there's a place for all that stuff. It was

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01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: just people enjoying the baseball game. It's fun. It's fun,

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01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: a great game. I hope there's more of it. Maybe

1202
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 3: we're not gonna have another eighteen inning game, but a

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: series that, for me at least deserves my attention. I'm

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Speaker 3: glad I gave it to it last night, all the

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01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: way till three o'clock in the morning. We'll see what

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers and Blue Jays have tonight for an encore.

1207
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Speaker 3: And by the way, yes, we continue to play real

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Speaker 3: baseball and extra innings. I'm sure the think pieces out

1209
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: there see a game like that. That's why you need

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Speaker 3: the magic run a rule in the postseason. I'll give

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01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 3: it to you in the regular season. I think it's

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01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 3: a solution in search of a problem. You know, prior

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01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty, we didn't have like a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of seventeen inning games. They were extreme outliers. But fine.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that Rob Manfred, among all the really stupid

1216
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 3: things he's done, has at least acknowledged in the postseason,

1217
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 3: we're gonna play real baseball if the game goes beyond

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Speaker 3: the ninth inning. Twenty nine away from five o'clock five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 3: four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number. You know,

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Speaker 3: the end of the game on Sunday that everybody seems

1221
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 3: to have forgotten. I'll remember it. We'll talk about what

1222
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 3: it might mean for Sunday. And Zach Taylor says there

1223
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: needs to be leaders on defense. Uh okay, one thought

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01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 3: on that. When we come back after sports headlines were

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Speaker 3: at Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's closed versus pause. When the Bengals and Bears

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Speaker 2: battle in the jungle, one thing I know for sure,

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Speaker 2: somebody's getting mauled. Will the Orange and Black pounce on

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Speaker 2: the wind or will a team from the Windy City

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Speaker 2: blow away our beloved Bengos. Coverage begins Sunday at nine am.

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Speaker 3: I saw the UH since Ini police have charged thirteen

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Speaker 3: year old kid with vandalizing the Marty Brenneman statue at

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01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 3: the ballpark. I hope that kid has parents like mine

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01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 3: because I cannot imagine. I cannot imagine what that car

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01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 3: ride would be like my parents after they picked me

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01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 3: up from the police station after I vandalized a Marty

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Speaker 3: Brenneman statue. I never wrote in the back of a

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Speaker 3: cop car as a kid. I've never written in the

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Speaker 3: back of a cop car as an adult. I don't

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Speaker 3: plan on it anytime soon. I'm not gonna say it

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Speaker 3: was a perfect angel, but I just I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: imagine what that car ride would have been like with

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Speaker 3: me and my dad picking me up at the police

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Speaker 3: station after I had to explain Now, yeah, I went

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Speaker 3: up to the Marty Brenneman statue and I removed the microphone.

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Speaker 3: I hope that kid has a car ride like the

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Speaker 3: one I can imagine with my dad. Dope. The Bengals

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01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 3: made the following roster move. Shatka Hayward goes on the

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01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 3: injured list with a busted fibula. Matt Lee goes on

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01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 3: the injured list with a knee injury. Mike Penell has

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01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 3: been cut. Remember, Mike Penell was gonna be either gout

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01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 3: him from the Chiefs. They see it. It didn't need

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01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 3: to go get any other three techniques this offseasons. Mike Penell, Yeah,

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01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 3: a name for me. One play that guy made, by

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Speaker 3: the way, the part of the game on Sunday that

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01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 3: nobody seems to be talking about. So the Bengals lose.

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Speaker 3: You knew that they fall apart defensively. You knew that, Uh,

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 3: they don't run the ball in their second to last possession.

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01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 3: You knew that they took two timeouts into the locker

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01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 3: room with them after the game ended. You knew that.

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01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: But you remember, like Joe Flacco went to the locker

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Speaker 3: room briefly, what do you think happening there? Uh? What

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Speaker 3: what do you what do you imagining? What do you

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01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 3: what are you imagining? They gave Joe Flacco to be

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01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 3: able to finish the game. Meanwhile, while he was in

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01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 3: the locker room, Jake Browning was up and practicing and

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Speaker 3: warming up. So are we gonna be surprised if we

1285
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 3: find out this week that maybe Jake Browning plays against

1286
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 3: the Bears in the latest must win game for the Bengals.

1287
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 3: I am not saying that's gonna happen. I'm saying that

1288
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: I watched Joe Flacco go in the locker room and

1289
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 3: come back, and I'm sure it was all good and

1290
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 3: gonna also guess in a fair amount of pain yesterday

1291
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 3: we will see Bengals and Bears Sunday at one live

1292
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty. Scott Sadafield did not definitively say

1293
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 3: Evan Pryor won't play on Saturday, but did acknowledge he's

1294
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 3: gonna be on the report, and I guess list that

1295
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 3: is out. Bengals and Bengals Bearcats in Utah on Saturday

1296
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 3: evening at ten to fifteen. More tonight on the Scott

1297
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: Saderfield Radio Show on seven hundred WLWFC. Cincinnati players off today,

1298
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 3: back to work tomorrow, getting set for Game two of

1299
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: their series against Columbus that'll be at six thirty at

1300
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 3: whatever they call their stadium up there. Roman Celentano given

1301
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 3: the save of the Year from MLS for his multi

1302
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 3: safe sequence against Nashville back in March. Game four Tonight

1303
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles Dodgers and Blue Jays, with LA having

1304
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 3: a two to one series lead, show Heyo Tani versus

1305
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 3: Shane Bieber and hockey. This evening, the Blue Jackets are

1306
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 3: on the road against Buffalo. Mike, go ahead, you're on

1307
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty.

1308
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 12: Thank you, Jalk. I got to go to the I

1309
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 12: got to go to the game last night.

1310
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 3: You were at Dodgers Stadium last night?

1311
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 12: Yes, I was. The DA provided a van and five

1312
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 12: of us went to the game and had nice seats.

1313
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 3: And did you stay for the entire game?

1314
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 12: Absolutely? I got home very late.

1315
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 3: So were you sitting anywhere near Mary Hart behind the plate. No,

1316
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 3: Mary Heart goes to all the Dodgers games. And Mary Hart,

1317
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, the longtime host. No, she's not married too,

1318
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 3: she's married. Yeah, she co host on Entertainment Tonight. And

1319
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 3: Mary Heart's married to a guy named Bert Sugarman, who

1320
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 3: I guess is an executive executive, big money guy. Right.

1321
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 3: So Mary Hart sits right behind the plate at Dodgers games,

1322
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 3: and like, not just in October, but if you're watching

1323
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, which you always do, and they're playing like

1324
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 3: a game on a on a Tuesday night in April,

1325
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 3: there's Mary hert right, longtime host of Entertainment Tonight.

1326
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 12: People every night.

1327
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 3: I don't care I don't. Most of those people show

1328
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 3: up late andly early. But Mary Heart's there in her

1329
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 3: seat in the first inning, right. And when I was

1330
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 3: a kid, Mary Heart like she was on entertainment tonight

1331
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 3: it was her. It was John tesh And, and they

1332
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 3: insured her legs because you know, she wanted to make

1333
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 3: a living with her legs. I guess. And so last

1334
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 3: night I'm watching the game. That's my show. I'll make

1335
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 3: it at the speed that I want. So I'm watching.

1336
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 3: I'm watching the game, and Mary Hart lives and dies

1337
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 3: with the La Dodgers. But I don't know. You see,

1338
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 3: you weren't watching on TV. I was at two o'clock

1339
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 3: in the morning. There was a sequence in the seventeenth

1340
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 3: inning where Mary Hart's husband stands up and you could

1341
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 3: tell he was telling her, we are leaving after this inning.

1342
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 3: Then he was you could tell, you could you could

1343
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 3: see it. I was I cannot believe that Smoltz and

1344
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 3: Joe Davis didn't talk about this. They were talking about

1345
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 3: watermelon in the Dodgers dugout. They were talking about fruit.

1346
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 3: But you could see. You could see he stood up

1347
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 3: and he like stepped over her, and then he leaned

1348
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 3: over and you could tell he was telling her Mary,

1349
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 3: we are leaving at the end of this inning. And

1350
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 3: who among us hasn't been in that situation before where

1351
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 3: we're being told by our significant other we are leaving

1352
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 3: after this. And so poor Mary Hart did not get

1353
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 3: to be in the stands because her bonehead husband made

1354
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: her leave when before Freddie Freeman hit the home run

1355
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 3: to end the game. Mike, I've occupied too much of

1356
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 3: your time with that story. The floor now is yours.

1357
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 12: Bert Sugerman is probably about thirty years older than her

1358
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 12: Bert's up there a little bit, if I'm not mistaken.

1359
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 12: I tell you there's goats and there's goats. But one

1360
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 12: thing's for sure, the most humble goat that has ever

1361
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 12: walked the face of modern sports in America is show

1362
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 12: Halo Tony. His humility, his humbleness is unflappable. You can't

1363
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 12: get him to get all jacked up and excited, and

1364
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 12: that's what makes him so unbelievably trawling.

1365
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 3: Uh is he.

1366
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 4: Afraid of the mom he's sports, He's not watching Michael

1367
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 4: Jordan and all these guys.

1368
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 12: But you will not find a more humble superstar the

1369
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 12: goat of goats, in my opinion, in my lifetime. Uh

1370
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 12: and uh, I'm not surprised that Toronto doesn't walk him

1371
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 12: every time he comes up tonight.

1372
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 3: No, it's an ultimate sign of respect.

1373
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 12: So what do you do tonight?

1374
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 3: Comes up right up? Yeah, I mean like to be

1375
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 3: to be fair, the strategy for the Blue Jays worked

1376
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 3: for most of the night, right, I mean that the

1377
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 3: strategy for as it relates to how they handled shoe

1378
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 3: heey Otani with he walked five times, four of them

1379
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 3: were intentional, the one time he tried to steal, and

1380
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,759
Speaker 3: I think he stole the bag successfully, but he popped

1381
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 3: off and the fielder correctly kept the tag on him.

1382
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 3: But the strategy worked, you know. But the question is

1383
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 3: it gonna work tonight if they try to do the

1384
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 3: same thing, and is it gonna work for the duration

1385
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 3: of the series, assuming they're going to try to do

1386
01:12:58,520 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 3: the the exact same thing.

1387
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 12: Yeah, it makes for really, it'll take a lot of

1388
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 12: zip out of the game. Now that I'm sure the

1389
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 12: networks aren't real thrilled about that particular aspect, but the

1390
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 12: maybe they will be. You'll there'll be somebody else like

1391
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 12: Ti Oscar Hernandez will come on a blast one out

1392
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 12: of there.

1393
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need more for Mookie bets because he went

1394
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 3: one for eight last night. He's got two hits in

1395
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 3: the series and I think fifteen sixteen at bats, So

1396
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 3: hitting behind shoe Hayo Tani, it's on him to help

1397
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 3: protect him. But yeah, I mean Toronto is doing what

1398
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 3: they need to do to win the game strategically. But

1399
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 3: as a fan, I want to watch Shoeo Tani hit well,

1400
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 3: even if Mary even if Mary Hart's husband doesn't.

1401
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 12: But taking a Mookie, when was the last night you

1402
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 12: saw a guy who's typically a right fielder come in

1403
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 12: and play excellent shortstop all year long?

1404
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 3: And he's a really good there.

1405
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 12: Really good shortstop.

1406
01:13:58,880 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no he is.

1407
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 12: And then Tommy Edmunds they got for a song from

1408
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 12: the Cardinals, who has been more. He had to have

1409
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 12: one Barry the other night. But other than that, Tommy Edmunds,

1410
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 12: they stole him from Saint Louis, absolutely stole him. And

1411
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 12: then Key k he could erupted at any moment because

1412
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 12: he only plays in October. It's incredible. Anyway, I just

1413
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:22,520
Speaker 12: thought I wouldn't.

1414
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 3: Are you going to are you going? Are you going

1415
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 3: to the game tonight?

1416
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 12: Yes? I'm going, uh with my IV and my arm

1417
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 12: and my bottle. I'm going my say wing bottle.

1418
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 3: We're going, buddy, are you going to? Will you be

1419
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 3: a game five?

1420
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 12: I don't know, you know, I gotta wait and see it.

1421
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 3: Right, But you're you're going. You're going the night to

1422
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 3: game four, which is awesome. Now. At any point in

1423
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 3: your life, Mike, have you had somebody in your life who,

1424
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 3: in a key situation has leaned over you to say,

1425
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 3: we're leaving after this, even if it's not over. Like

1426
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: what if Mary Hert would have said to her husband,

1427
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 3: I'm not leaving till this game ends. And I felt

1428
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 3: like on that you could tell, Mike, I'm watching this

1429
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 3: on national television. Granted at two thirteen in the morning

1430
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 3: Eastern time, you could tell this guy was telling Mary Mary,

1431
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 3: we are leaving. What if Mary's like, Bert, I'll take

1432
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 3: an uber, Bert, I'll see if one of these fans

1433
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 3: will drive me home. Like I felt in that moment,

1434
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 3: I felt really bad for Mary.

1435
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 12: Heart Yeah, And you could tell Bert was like tired

1436
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 12: and cranky and salty and says I'm out of here.

1437
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 12: I'm not doing the same. I had my wife do

1438
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 12: that one time at Riverfront Stadium. God rest her soul.

1439
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 12: And I said, Carol, I'm not leaving, and I turned

1440
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 12: around and she was gone. And next thing, I knew,

1441
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 12: she'd call me and she was home and had took

1442
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 12: a cab home.

1443
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 3: So if I was like, Mary Hart is sitting there,

1444
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 3: it's the seventeenth inning. Mookie Betts was at the plate

1445
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 3: because he made the last out, made the last out

1446
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 3: of the seventeenth inning, and you could, you could, you could,

1447
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 3: I'm not making this up. You could see her going

1448
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: moo key because her only chance to see the game

1449
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 3: end was if Mookie hit a home run. And I

1450
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 3: watch the whole transaction. This guy who's married to Mary

1451
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 3: Hart stands up and is like leaning over her, like

1452
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 3: not even sitting, like leaning over her the way you

1453
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 3: would like lean over like a bad kid if you

1454
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 3: taught a class and he's misbehaving, and you could tell

1455
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 3: he's telling her we are leaving after this, And I

1456
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 3: wanted Mary Hart to like give him the bird and say,

1457
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 3: uh uh, we're at the World Series. You state that

1458
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 3: you stay at a World Series game until it ends,

1459
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 3: no matter how many innings it goes. If you want

1460
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 3: to go home, go, I'm staying and I'll make I'll

1461
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 3: find my own way home. And so now I wonder

1462
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 3: if they're gonna be I wonder if they're gonna be

1463
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 3: at the game tonight. I wonder if there's some sort

1464
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 3: of issue in Mary Hart and this other guy's marriage.

1465
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 3: And I have a lot of questions. This now adds

1466
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 3: to the already built in world series drama.

1467
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 12: Well, this adds to your tremendous ability to be a

1468
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 12: great investigative reporter and pick up things that the great

1469
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 12: ones supposedly don't pick up. So kudos to you, Mom.

1470
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 3: Well, Mike, I just I'm very I'm very detailed oriented.

1471
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 3: I pay attention to things. And again, we've all been there,

1472
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 3: we've all we are leaving after this.

1473
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 12: You are.

1474
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 3: I'm not. Mike enjoyed Game four. I'm glad he got

1475
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 3: a chance to be there last night. That's awesome.

1476
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 12: Thanks for taking my como. You're gonna watch tonight right.

1477
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,799
Speaker 3: Of course, Nick's Bucks, Dodgers, Jay's good sports night. I'm excited.

1478
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 12: Yeah, it is is is Uh. I can never remember

1479
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 12: his name, the Milwaukee the superstar from Milwaukee. Is he

1480
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 12: gonna end up with the Lakers?

1481
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 3: I hope not.

1482
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 12: I do too, I.

1483
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 3: Hope not either. I gotta run, Mike, thank.

1484
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 12: You, I thankfully.

1485
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 3: I know I'm the only person aside from my producer

1486
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 3: here on site, Drew Western Heidi, who was watching the

1487
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 3: baseball game. But I don't know how if you were

1488
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 3: watching in the seventeenth inning last night, you didn't notice

1489
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 3: this man suddenly decided to tell Mary Hart we are

1490
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 3: not gonna It's like if you've I understand leaving like

1491
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 3: it's eleventh inning, Like all right, man, like you, I've

1492
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 3: made it through seventeen innings. I cannot imagine that Mary

1493
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 3: Hart or this other dude who could afford first row

1494
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 3: tickets behind the plate at Dodger Stadium had somewhere they

1495
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 3: had to be this morning. Right, You've sat there for

1496
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Speaker 3: seventeen innings. At that point, you just you see it

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Speaker 3: till it ends. I was doing that in my basement

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Speaker 3: last night. Like I've made it this far. Hey, granted

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Speaker 3: I don't have to be at work at seven thirty

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Speaker 3: in the morning or anything like, I get it. But

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Speaker 3: you've sat there for six hours, six and a half hours,

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Speaker 3: The game has gone seventeen innings. You've ridden this roller

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Speaker 3: coaster all night long. How do you get off? At

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Speaker 3: that point? I don't understand. I don't understand, and so

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Speaker 3: I hope Mary Hart divorces that guy. It is not

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Speaker 3: eight away from five o'clock. Sean Saya had these stats

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Speaker 3: ins game podcast. I keep having imaginary conversations with Duke Tobin,

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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you about them coming up after the

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Speaker 3: guys solid. It's six minutes after five o'clock. This is

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Ballagger. We're broadcasting from

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Speaker 3: Oakley Greens, which is in Oakley. Chances are you already

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Speaker 3: knew that the chances are maybe not chance, there's a

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Speaker 3: chance at least that you don't know how cool it

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Speaker 3: Treating tomorrow indoors, so if the weather's less than ideal,

1539
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Speaker 3: you can you can dress up and get candy and

1540
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Speaker 3: hang out and it's gonna be fun. That's gonna be

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Speaker 3: from five to eight tomorrow night. I am being made

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Speaker 3: fun of on my text chain because I said I

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Speaker 3: Tricker Treated when I was fifteen, and no problem with

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Speaker 3: that at all, man, and no problem with that at all.

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Speaker 3: It did get weird when one of our buddies was driving,

1546
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Speaker 3: like where are you gonna go trigger trading? We drove

1547
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 3: from one neighborhood to that. I was like, all right,

1548
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 3: maybe we should pull the plug on This a great

1549
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Speaker 3: place for Bengals games, great plays for FC Cincinnati. Watch

1550
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Speaker 3: parties the Orange and Blue on the road on Sunday,

1551
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,759
Speaker 3: Game two against Columbus, your favorite college basketball team. College

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Speaker 3: Hoop starts next week. You can watch all of it

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Speaker 3: here at Oakley Greens. This place is awesome. We cannot

1554
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Speaker 3: thank them enough for their hospitality. Our friend Sean Sayed

1555
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Speaker 3: from the Stats and Schemes Newsletter is gonna join us

1556
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 3: at five point twenty today and you'll hear from Scott

1557
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 3: Saderfield as well as the Bearcats get set to take

1558
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 3: on Utah on Saturday night ten to fifteen kickoff. You

1559
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 3: see and Utah with the backdrop of college game Day

1560
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 3: being there in Salt Lake City. More on that coming

1561
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 3: up a little bit later on, and grab a phone

1562
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 3: call or two as well. So the Bengals defense is atrocious.

1563
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think I'm uncover any new ground, but

1564
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 3: the Bengals defense is atrocious, and maybe if you love

1565
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 3: spinning the wheel of blame or you love handing out

1566
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 3: pieces of blame, maybe Al Golden should get some of that.

1567
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 3: He is the defensive coordinator. I think he'd be the

1568
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 3: first to admit it's his job to find answers with

1569
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,719
Speaker 3: the players that he has. I frankly think he has tried.

1570
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 3: They've gone young, they've benched some guys, they've reduced some

1571
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 3: guys playing time. Nothing he has tried has worked. Zach

1572
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 3: Taylor is the head coach of the team.

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01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 4: The head coach of the team is always responsible for

1574
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 4: his team's overall performance. And so even if Zach's field

1575
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,799
Speaker 4: of expertise, so to speak, is on the offensive side,

1576
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 4: it's not like he isn't complicit with what they're doing

1577
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 4: on defense, if that's a fair way to put it.

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01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 3: But they're just aren't enough guys, Like they're just they're

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01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 3: DJ Turner looks like a dude that you could keep

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01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 3: in your secondary for the years to come and feel

1581
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 3: pretty good about. Beyond that, nobody And Okay, you want

1582
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 3: to give a pass to the rookies, that's fine, But

1583
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 3: like this is a cheap labor league, rookies are expected

1584
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 3: to contribute, especially first rounders, especially second rounders are expected

1585
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 3: to contribute almost immediately, and that's not happening. This is

1586
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 3: a cheap labor league, and it's a league where there's

1587
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 3: more of a premium on draft picks contributing earlier than

1588
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 3: there was twenty years ago. Duke Tobin had a bad

1589
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 3: defense last year. Duke Tobin has a bad defense this year.

1590
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 3: I keep coming back to an imaginary conversation one that

1591
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 3: we outlined here when Joe Burrow got hurt because Duke

1592
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 3: Tobin has had a recurring issue under his watch. The

1593
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 3: offensive line is never good. Some are slightly better than others.

1594
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 3: But since the twenty fifteen season, no matter what they

1595
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 3: have tried, they have struggled to put in front of

1596
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 3: their quarterback, no matter who, it is, a quality offensive line.

1597
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,799
Speaker 3: And those issues really came to the surface in twenty seventeen,

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01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 3: which was the year before or the year after they

1599
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 3: let Andrew Whitworth and Kevin Zeitler walk. And since then

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01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 3: it's obviously not been because of lack of effort. We

1601
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 3: have outlined this to no end. Cedric Bway he doesn't

1602
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 3: work out, and Jake Fisher mainly through no real faults

1603
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 3: of Duke Tobins doesn't work out, and Billy Price doesn't

1604
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 3: work out, and Jonah Williams worked out. I don't know

1605
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 3: that Jonah Williams ever played like a first round pick,

1606
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 3: but good player, good player. You know. It was the

1607
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 3: best offensive lineman they had in twenty twenty one. But

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01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 3: they put in front of Joe Burrow in a Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl and arguably the biggest game in franchise history, one

1610
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: of the worst collection of offensive linemen ever, maybe the

1611
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 3: worst offensive line to ever play together in a Super Bowl.

1612
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: And since then, it's again not been because of lack

1613
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 3: of effort. It's been free agency. It's been Lyle Collins

1614
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 3: and Alex Kappa and Ted Carris and Orlando Brown and

1615
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 3: some of those individual players have had their moments. It's

1616
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 3: been draft picks Marius Mems, Dylan Fairchild, Jackson Carter and

1617
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,560
Speaker 3: no matter what, no matter what Duke Tobin tries, no

1618
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 3: matter what amount of money he spends, no matter who

1619
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 3: the offensive line coaches are, he just can't get this fixed.

1620
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 3: And so back in September now, with Joe Burrow missing

1621
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 3: an extensive amount of time for the third time, in

1622
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 3: six years, you can't help. But if Duke Tobin works

1623
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 3: for you, I think ask him, dude, why can't you

1624
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 3: fix this? Like I just we did this topic back

1625
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,839
Speaker 3: in mid September. I'm Mike Brown or I'm Katie Blackburn,

1626
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 3: and Duke Tobin is sitting there, and I go, man,

1627
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 3: like you, You've been given a lot of time to

1628
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 3: fix this and you can't. Why How? Why? Why? Duke?

1629
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 3: The frustrating thing for me is we could do this

1630
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 3: exact same exercise. When it comes to Duke Tobin's defense, Now,

1631
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 3: many will say, well, wait a minute, wait a minute,

1632
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 3: wait a minute, what about twenty twenty one in twenty

1633
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 3: twenty two when they had good defenses and rode their

1634
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 3: defense to the Super Bowl in twenty twenty one? And yeah, man,

1635
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 3: there were players on those units that predated Zach Taylor

1636
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 3: because Duke Tobin had a hand in drafting them, like

1637
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:48,799
Speaker 3: Jesse Bates, like Sam Hubbard. Good players, good good players.

1638
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 3: But that defense in twenty twenty one was largely built

1639
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 3: by Duke Tobin using gobs of money that he had

1640
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 3: at his disposal to throw at players like should Obi

1641
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 3: a Woozia and Mike Hilton and Trey Hendrickson and Von

1642
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 3: Bell and DJ Reader. There were decisions in there. The

1643
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin, I think deserves credit for her like, remember, well,

1644
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 3: wait a minute, they've got to sign either Carl Lawson

1645
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 3: or William Jackson. Remember that You've you've got to You've

1646
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 3: got to keep at least one. And Duke Tobin's like,

1647
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,679
Speaker 3: now we're gonna keep neither, but I've got replacements in mind.

1648
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 3: Should Obi a Woozier for William Jackson, Trey Hendrickson for

1649
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 3: Carl Lawson. Duke deserves credit for making that happen, for

1650
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 3: making those decisions, for acquiring BJ Hill for Billy Price,

1651
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 3: a guy they had no use for, for bringing in

1652
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 3: Larry Jogan Jobi. But the strength of those defenses were

1653
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 3: dudes who came from elsewhere that they could just pay

1654
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 3: DJ Reader when they signed him. I'll never forget that

1655
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 3: day because it was our last day in studio before

1656
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 3: we got kicked out because of COVID, and every analyst,

1657
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 3: every observer was like, Dj Reaider is a nice player,

1658
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 3: but they just made it the highest paid nose tackle ever.

1659
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 3: What are they doing in Cincinnati? And my response, and

1660
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 3: I think the response of people much smarter than me, was, well,

1661
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 3: who else are you gonna pay? If they want good

1662
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 3: players to come here? The team stunk last season, they

1663
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 3: have to overpay, and they did, and they got it

1664
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 3: right with DJ Reader, who they still haven't figured out

1665
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 3: a way to replace. But the economics of the team

1666
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 3: have changed. Back then, Joe Burrow was making no money.

1667
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 3: Back then, t Higgins was making no money, and Jamar

1668
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 3: Chase was making no money, it made sense actually to.

1669
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 4: Pay a running back. Like if you remember the off

1670
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 4: season of twenty twenty, it was, well, what are they

1671
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 4: gonna do with Joe Mixon?

1672
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 3: Ah, Man, Joe Mixon get a hold in? Is he

1673
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 3: gonna throw a temper tantrum? Do you really pay a

1674
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 3: running back? And my take was yeah, because who else

1675
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 3: you got? Like, yes, pay the dude. Right. They had

1676
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 3: money to pay Joe Mixon because there was nobody else,

1677
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 3: and they had money to pay defensive dudes because there

1678
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 3: was nobody else. So sure, man Duke Tobin made a

1679
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 3: lot of really good decisions. But since then, replacing all

1680
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 3: those players who left, now with the spreadsheet balance tilted

1681
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 3: toward Burrow and Higgins and Chase and Orlando Brown and

1682
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 3: a handful of players. They absolutely must build defenses, mainly

1683
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 3: through the draft and smart free agent signings. Over the

1684
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 3: last couple of years, Duke Tobin has failed miserably, miserably,

1685
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,759
Speaker 3: And it's not just that they've had defenses that haven't

1686
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 3: been great. It's not just that they have had defenses

1687
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 3: that in critical moments haven't been able to get off

1688
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 3: the field. They've had defenses that have wasted an MVP

1689
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 3: caliber season from Joe Burrow like, to me, it's the

1690
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 3: biggest example of Cincinnati Bengals organizational malpractice in my lifetime

1691
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 3: and maybe franchise history. The most important piece you had

1692
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 3: in place, the most important player played his ass off

1693
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 3: play great, arguably the single greatest season that any Bengals

1694
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 3: quarterback has ever had, and you couldn't even get to

1695
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 3: the playoffs in an era where the playoffs have never

1696
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 3: been easier to get to. Okay, So this offseason, with

1697
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 3: that in your rear view mirror, Duke Tobin again given

1698
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 3: another chance to fix it. The free agent activity was minimal.

1699
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 3: The free agents they've brought in have done next to nothing.

1700
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure Oron Burch is still on the team.

1701
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 3: I'm not even really sure. TJ. Slayton's on the team

1702
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 3: and the draft choices, the players from previous drafts, Cam

1703
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 3: Taylor Brett being benched, Chris Jenkins never playing, McKinley Jackson

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01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 3: never playing, I guess, Chris Jenkins barely playing, Miles Murphy

1705
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 3: being a bust, Joseph Osai eh so far, nothing from

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01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart, nothing from the two linebackers. I come back

1707
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 3: to the same question and the same imaginary conversation I

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01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 3: was having a month ago about the offensive Duke, why

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01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 3: can't you fix this? I don't know about you. I'm

1710
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 3: not a profession where I often have to fix things.

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01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: But I would imagine if I was given an extended

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01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 3: amount of time to figure something out or change or

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01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 3: do and I kept failing, at some point, my boss

1714
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 3: is gonna call me in and go, moh like, why

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01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 3: does this keep happening? Why do we have these same

1716
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 3: recurring problems again and again and again and again, and

1717
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 3: after so many of those conversations, you would just say

1718
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 3: screw it, We're moving on my bosses. Would your bosses would?

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01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, man, If Duke Tobin works for me, I

1720
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 3: can't help, but go buddy. In these two major areas,

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01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 3: offensive line and your entire defense. You've had a lot

1722
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 3: of time to fix it, and yet here we are.

1723
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 3: Quarterback is still missing time because of injury, plying behind

1724
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 3: a below average offensive line, and we have a defense

1725
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 3: that is so bad that justin field to the previous

1726
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:18,679
Speaker 3: two weeks was a responsible for having negative ten yards passing,

1727
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 3: and then B the next week got benched, and then

1728
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 3: C got called out by his owner. That dude just

1729
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 3: led an offense that danced all over the field on

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01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 3: you to the tune of thirty nine points, Duke, why

1731
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 3: can't we fix these things? Like, how they build the

1732
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 3: defense next year is gonna have to be through the draft,

1733
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 3: smart free agent signings, maybe some bargain guys, not just

1734
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 3: throwing money at players. Probably not gonna have the highest

1735
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:53,679
Speaker 3: paid nose tackle in football next year, Probably not gonna

1736
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 3: be able to go sign the highest paid dbs in

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01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 3: the sport. The way they build next year's defense is

1738
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 3: going to have to be using the same methods they

1739
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 3: have built this year's defense and last year's defense. Those

1740
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 3: defenses were atrocious cost a team a chance at playing

1741
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 3: in the postseason last year, and are probably gonna cost

1742
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 3: a team a chance playing in the postseason this year?

1743
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 3: How many more cracks at it do you give them?

1744
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 3: And at some point, if you keep asking the guy,

1745
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 3: why can't you fix this? Don't you then assume you

1746
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 3: know what he can't. Once you've made that assumption, isn't

1747
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,759
Speaker 3: it time to move on to somebody else? Twenty minutes

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Speaker 3: at this stage, Sean, I like being smarter Right now.

1771
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm more concerned about my mental health

1772
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 3: watching this team's defense. How are you well?

1773
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 12: I'm doing well.

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01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, maybe a little bit better than ever watching that

1775
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 9: film again, really really tough on the defense. But me personally,

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01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 9: you know, I guess I'm doing okay. Things are flying

1777
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 9: well for for our guy Joe Blacko out there.

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01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Does the scheme ex I know I've asked you

1779
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 3: this before. Does the scheme exist that you could use

1780
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 3: with this collection of defensive players? You know?

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01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 9: But I always think like if I am a talent

1782
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 9: deficient team on defense, I want to lean into variants,

1783
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 9: like I just want to get guys going downhill as

1784
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 9: fast as they can.

1785
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 12: I want to blitz a lot.

1786
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:44,839
Speaker 3: I want to just cause.

1787
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,759
Speaker 9: Chaos because you know, when you have Bobby Borough healthy,

1788
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 9: you're looking at this as saying, we just need like

1789
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 9: one or two takeaways. We're going to win this game

1790
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,640
Speaker 9: because we're going to score so much on offense. I mean,

1791
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 9: you score thirty eight points, you just need like a

1792
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 9: turnover here there to be able to win the game.

1793
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 9: So to me, that's what I think about leaning into

1794
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 9: just because yeah, i mean, I'm watching these clips and

1795
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 9: I'm looking at guy who's going on direction or people

1796
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 9: not being able to read the play correctly, and that

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01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 9: it's really tough. Like you're you're right in that there's

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01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 9: not like a r at a certain point, there is

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01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 9: kind of a limit just on what coaches can kind

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Speaker 9: of do. But at the same time, those guys get

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01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 9: paid a heck of a lot of money to do

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01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 9: the job. So to me, it's like, let lean into Varian,

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01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 9: Let's try and steal one out there, because especially in

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01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 9: a game where you're just scoring points in points, you

1805
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 9: just got to get like a few stops here and

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01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 9: there to end up with a win.

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01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, you know, like folks say, well, you know,

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01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 3: they should blitz more, they should send more pressure after

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01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 3: the quarterback. Okay, well, I mean look at some of

1810
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,679
Speaker 3: the guys back there that you're leaving on an island,

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01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 3: or don't put more pressure on the quarterback. You got

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01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 3: to be better in coverage. Well, it's like the same

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01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 3: collection of DJ Turner's played. Well, but it's like the

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01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 3: same collection of dbs from last year. I feel bad

1815
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 3: for Al Golden it is because I don't have an answer,

1816
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 3: and I don't know. It really feels like the ultimate

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01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 3: pick you're poison conundrum for him.

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Speaker 9: Right absolutely, And like I look at defenses across the

1819
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 9: league and I think, like, well, what is your weakest point? Right,

1820
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 9: that's where teams really want to attack, And so the Bengals, unfortunately,

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01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 9: you kind of have some choices. Like I think about,

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01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,640
Speaker 9: for example, like the Commander's defense, like they'll try and

1823
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 9: play man coverage, but those that be one on one,

1824
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 9: they'll try and play zone coverage and they'll bust coverage.

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01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 9: And like you said, then at a certain point, it's

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01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 9: like all right, well, like whatever you say, you know

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01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 9: you're you're going to the direction and you're still kind

1828
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 9: of hitting a brick wall. So I definitely feel a

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01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 9: little bit for Al Golden in this situation, because either

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01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 9: situation like either solution you go to, you're it's not

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01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 9: like this super super plus situation, Like you can't just

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01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 9: feel great about listen, you can't feel great about playing

1833
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 9: man coverage, you can't feel great about playing zone coverage.

1834
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 9: So then you're just deciding, like, well, what is the

1835
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 9: variants that we want to lean into for this game

1836
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 9: to just try and something for a win?

1837
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 3: Is there anything you've seen other teams do that if

1838
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 3: you're out Golden and go, you know what, I'll steal that.

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Speaker 9: I think, like I like when I think of defenses overall,

1840
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 9: like this whole uh kind of Ravens Tree of defense

1841
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 9: where it's like we're only gonna rush for We're gonna

1842
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 9: play zone coverage behind it, We're gonna blitz the linebackers

1843
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 9: from the second level a bunch like that.

1844
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 12: That is probably my.

1845
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 9: Preferred message of playing defense in twenty twenty five. It does,

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01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 9: you know, keep your guys out there in situation where

1847
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 9: even your zone coverage it becomes a long one. So

1848
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 9: I never want to say, oh, there's nothing you can

1849
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 9: try to just give up, like it's always going to

1850
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 9: be a kind of a game to game basis. I'd

1851
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 9: love to see, you know, if you want to get

1852
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 9: your defensive line going, maybe it's you know, you're getting

1853
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 9: more stunts overall. I just have guys twisting back and forth,

1854
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 9: like literally just trying kind of anything, because it feels

1855
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 9: like at this point you kind of you kind of

1856
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 9: do have to just try anything to make it work here.

1857
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 3: I think like the next step they're gonna take is

1858
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 3: just see if the referees notice that they sneak a

1859
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 3: twelfth guy onto the field. I think that's where I

1860
01:38:57,600 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 3: think that's where things are right now. Sean.

1861
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:02,400
Speaker 9: Look, I mean, you gotta try something, right I'm never

1862
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 9: telling someone to not try.

1863
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:06,719
Speaker 3: Just to see if they don't know how to count.

1864
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,480
Speaker 3: Sean side. As with us the TETs and scheme newsletters,

1865
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 3: they have been offensively I'll be positive here they're becoming

1866
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 3: a good running team. What's changed? Oh thank you?

1867
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 9: The run game has been so fun to watch. That

1868
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:20,640
Speaker 9: has been really really good. I think it was like

1869
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 9: it was like one hundred and eighty yards against the Jests,

1870
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,759
Speaker 9: where our guys j Pierre and they're able to get

1871
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 9: almost one hundred yards there and a touchdown able to

1872
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 9: create after contact, you know, running through tassels a really

1873
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 9: really positive thing there. So I felt like take Carris

1874
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 9: played a good game here too. Where we don't talk

1875
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 9: about the offensive line in a positive way a whole

1876
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 9: lot when we get to talk every week, but you know,

1877
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 9: you get some movement up front, and yeah, like that

1878
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 9: is something that you can really kind of build your

1879
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 9: team around in a way if you're able to run

1880
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 9: at that level.

1881
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 12: Ohways, Now, do I.

1882
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,759
Speaker 9: Think the defense is the best run defense in the NFL?

1883
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 9: I do not personally, but I do think it's just

1884
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,600
Speaker 9: something that we've seen now multiple weeks that oh the

1885
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 9: running is actually working, like things are moving in the

1886
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 9: right direction. You can feel pretty positive about that. Just

1887
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 9: the way that that things are going up front. I

1888
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 9: really like that where you get you can get attacking schemes,

1889
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:12,719
Speaker 9: You can get schemes already moving in the outside where

1890
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 9: things on Peter Ryan's touchdown, where you have two tight

1891
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 9: ends on the field, but the defense wants to play

1892
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:20,599
Speaker 9: with nickel personnel, five defensive backs, those light bodies, Hey,

1893
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 9: we can take advantage of you when you're doing that.

1894
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 9: Where the Bengals haven't always been able to do that,

1895
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 9: so in exciting development in Bengal and I would say,

1896
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 9: is that run game, Yeah.

1897
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I want to be excited about it having

1898
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 3: a hard time. They play the Bears this week. Ben

1899
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:41,799
Speaker 3: Johnson is in his first year as the head coach.

1900
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 3: Where where has he had the most immediate impact with

1901
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams and company.

1902
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 11: The Bears overall?

1903
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 9: There, I will say their under center play action game

1904
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 9: is positive, like absolutely, that is something where Ben Johnson

1905
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 9: comes in, you know, that's what he wants to bring in.

1906
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 9: It is a really really good situation. I think that

1907
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 9: Johnson has held the connection between Caleb Williams and Romaduns

1908
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:03,639
Speaker 9: out there.

1909
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:06,440
Speaker 12: It still feels like there.

1910
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 9: Are a lot of just kind of like operational type

1911
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 9: issues with this offense overall. I think the run game

1912
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 9: was able to get going two weeks prior to this game,

1913
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 9: but the Ravens defense that has had a lot of

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Speaker 9: struggles against the run, they were able to kind of

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Speaker 9: handle the Bears run game a little bit. So from

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Speaker 9: the offensive end of the ball, I would I would

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Speaker 9: definitely call it uneven where I think Caleb still has

1918
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Speaker 9: a bunch of things to prove, and then you know,

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Speaker 9: the Bears defense does not particularly scare me in this matchup.

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Speaker 3: All right, I hope I feel better next Tuesday. Sean.

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Speaker 3: You can hear the despair in my voice.

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Speaker 9: It's a tough fun.

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Speaker 12: All I want is for you to be happy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's it's uh. The Bengals aren't helping, but

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Speaker 3: suomer Sports does. Let's talk about the suomer Brain feature,

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Speaker 9: There really any staff question you have, Type it in

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Speaker 9: and I will say it might be this week, it

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Speaker 9: We're still hammering things.

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Speaker 12: Out, cleaning it up, but you want to look at, hey.

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Speaker 9: Well what do the Bears do on third downs against

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Speaker 3: And the stats in Schame newsletter, which shows up in

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Speaker 9: Yes, it's a lot of fun to do. It's an

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Speaker 9: advanced game for yous and reuse for every single game

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Speaker 9: across the entire year. And we've also been adding in

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Speaker 9: some fun topics. We've done, you know, the rise of

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Speaker 9: two tight end looks. This week we're going to do

1946
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Speaker 9: a lot of teams that you have a lot of

1947
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Speaker 9: fun running out of under center looks, particularly on fourth down.

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Speaker 9: Also adding a sixth offensive lineman to the field, something

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Speaker 9: that you'll see teams do now.

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Speaker 12: So a lot of data, a lot of a lot

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Speaker 12: of film, a lot of staff, a lot.

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Speaker 9: Of talking about the good stuff going on in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Well, the good stuff going on in the NFL is

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Speaker 3: not happening here, Sean, but awesome to have you done

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Speaker 3: the last.

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Speaker 9: Thanks so much, mo, looking forward to talking next week.

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Speaker 3: That's our guy, Sean Saya Stats and Scheme newsletter. Sign

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Speaker 3: We are late. We'll hear from Scott Sanderfield. His team's good,

1960
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Speaker 3: the best, the best football coach in Cincinnati. We can

1961
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Speaker 3: we do that yet? I don't know. I think there

1962
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Speaker 3: is something about his program that not a lot of

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Speaker 3: folks wanted to acknowledge two years ago. But I think

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Speaker 3: now that the team is playing well, we'll go ahead

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Speaker 3: and acknowledge it. Make that make sense when we come back.

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1983
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1984
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Speaker 3: Shaka Hayward officially goes on Iri fractioned is fhibula, which

1985
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Speaker 3: stinks because pretty good Special teams player Matt Lee. He

1986
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Speaker 3: if mattlee's it, He's gotta bum knee, so he goes

1987
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Speaker 3: on IR Mike penal one very good, so he got cut. Well.

1988
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Speaker 3: Maybe a video tribute to Mike Pendle at the game

1989
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Speaker 3: on Sunday, I have no idea. Bengals and Bears kickoff

1990
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Speaker 3: at one o'clock. Pregame coverage on ESPN fifteen thirty begins

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Speaker 3: at nine a m. We will see, you'll hear Scott

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Speaker 3: Satafield here in just a second. We will see if

1993
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Speaker 3: Evan Pryor has any chance of playing. He came out

1994
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Speaker 3: of the game on Saturday with they get cute with

1995
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Speaker 3: the verbage. Now a lower body injury, but Evan Pryor

1996
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Speaker 3: is their home run hitter in the backfield. We'll be

1997
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Speaker 3: on the injury report this week more tonight Scott Sadifield

1998
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Speaker 3: Radio Show eight pm on seven hundred wlw FC. Cincinnati

1999
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Speaker 3: players are off today, well deserved day off after winning

2000
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Speaker 3: last night won nothing over Columbus, game one of their

2001
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Speaker 3: best of three series in the Hell is Real matchup

2002
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Speaker 3: opening the Playoffs. Game two is gonna be on Sunday.

2003
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Speaker 3: They're back at practice tomorrow. Training. It's not practice, it's training. Sorry.

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Speaker 3: I mistakenly called it practice when John Harks was the coach,

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Speaker 3: and he corrected me on the art. It's not practice,

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Speaker 3: it's training. I'm still here, John's not. Game four of

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Speaker 3: the World Series is tonight in Los Angeles Blue Jays

2008
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Speaker 3: trying to bounce back after losing. Uh right now, those

2009
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Speaker 3: teams are in LA. They're not taking batting training. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's batting practice. Like, really, you want me to get

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Speaker 3: in like me and soccer fans are cool and EMC

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Speaker 3: Sinsanta fan, like I want the team to win. I

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Speaker 3: am a fan, but like I don't. I don't pretend

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Speaker 3: that I watched really a second of soccer before FC Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: But you want me to embrace the sport. How about

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Speaker 3: give me some leeway when I call it practice. Okay?

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Speaker 3: Like when I was a kid, I didn't. I played

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Speaker 3: basketball and baseball. Okay, my friends who played soccer would

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Speaker 3: not say hey see you after training, right, my daughter

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Speaker 3: plays soccer. The coach isn't like, oh, it's training. We

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Speaker 3: got training on Tuesdays and Thursday it's practice. Sho he

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Speaker 3: Otani will pitch for the Dodgers against Shane Bieber. First

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Speaker 3: pitch at eight o'clock. I don't know why we're not

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Speaker 3: carrying that game hockey tonight. The Blue Jackets are at

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Speaker 3: Buffalo Columbus, off to a four and four start to

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Speaker 3: the season. We're at Oakley Greens every Tuesday. Every Wednesday

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Speaker 3: they have Fairway Feud, trivia. If you love trivia, you

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Speaker 3: will love Fairway Feud. And if you like candy, come

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Speaker 3: tomorrow trick or treat indoors from five to eight and

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Speaker 3: candy while supplies last costumes. It's gonna be a blast.

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Speaker 3: Do that tomorrow and we'll see there all right. Scott

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Speaker 3: Saderfield talked, he is the coach of the Bearcats. You

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Speaker 3: see is on the road against Utah the utes ten

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Speaker 3: to fifteen late night kickoff on Saturday night. The coach

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Speaker 3: of the Bearcats talk today. Hopefully Evan Pryor could play

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Speaker 3: Tommie Walker. Tommy Walker I think saved the game on

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Speaker 3: Saturday night. Cincinnati is up twenty seven to twenty fourth

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Speaker 3: quarter defenses on its heels, they go for it. I

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Speaker 3: think from the twenty seven fourth and one they have

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Speaker 3: a great kicker, so I'm thinking kick the field goal,

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Speaker 3: take the points, go up two scores. Instead, they give

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Speaker 3: the ball to Tywee Walker. He was initially stopped and

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Speaker 3: then with a great second effort, gets the first down.

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Speaker 3: They would go on to score in that drive and

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Speaker 3: win the game. That is a great one to two

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Speaker 3: punch here Scott Saderfield on the dynamic duo of Tywee

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Speaker 3: Walker and Evan Bryor. Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I think so, you know, there's been a lot of questions,

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Speaker 13: you know, especially early on. I remember Scott asking a

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Speaker 13: bunch of running back questions the first couple of weeks.

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Speaker 13: I mean, you know, and I think this is kind

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Speaker 13: of how we visited. You know, you got a guy

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Speaker 13: who can run right through you and impose his will.

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Speaker 13: He's had some great, tough yardage of runs. The fourth

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Speaker 13: downs this past week was huge. I mean, running through

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Speaker 13: these guys, and then you have a guy you can

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Speaker 13: bring in Evan, who can run around you, who can

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Speaker 13: catch the ball out of the backfield. And I think

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Speaker 13: you want to keep those guys fresh. And anytime you

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Speaker 13: can rotate those guys, it.

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Speaker 3: Is hard or the defense. And so you know, what

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Speaker 3: we thought was gonna happen.

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Speaker 13: That's just kind of how we would envision this, and

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Speaker 13: it's been fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: Those guys work. Any updated on Haavan, Uh No, I'm

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Speaker 3: not yet.

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Speaker 13: I think he'll be listed probably as out as we

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Speaker 13: head to tomorrow. You know, obviously the first time you

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Speaker 13: got to release that, so you know, we'll see how

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Speaker 13: he is and how he continues to progress throughout the week.

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Speaker 3: Uh, there's uh Scott Saderfield talking about the running back situation. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: Manny Covey, Chance Williamson, Johnson could be viable options for Saturday.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be a loud atmosphere. I'm I'm going

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Speaker 3: to the game on Saturday. I'm excited to check out

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Speaker 3: this atmosphere where Utah plays Rice Eckless Stadium. It's gonna

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Speaker 3: be loud, it's gonna be tough, it's gonna be noisy.

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Speaker 3: And so here's Scott Saderfield answering questions about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll we'll prepare for that.

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Speaker 13: I'm you know, one one good thing about having the

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Speaker 13: indoor here, we can really crank up the volume in

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Speaker 13: there and it can be deafening inside this in this building.

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Speaker 13: So that's how we'll practice the next couple of days

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Speaker 13: here produciing Wednesday's practices and turn that up and work

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Speaker 13: our silent cadence. It's still you know, communication will be

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Speaker 13: really key offensively, you know, and watching them on film,

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Speaker 13: I think you know, Texas Tech early in the year

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Speaker 13: didn't use a silent cadence, but they had I think

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Speaker 13: seven false start penalties. Maybe Colorado this past weekend they

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Speaker 13: did not use the silent either, So you know, I've

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Speaker 13: seen guys use it, I've seen guys not use it.

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Speaker 13: We'll prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

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Speaker 3: Scott Sanderfield earlier today talking about the noise in Utah,

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Speaker 3: there has not been any clarity offered by Kyle Whittingham,

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Speaker 3: the Utah head coach, as it relates to his quarterback situation.

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Speaker 3: So Devin Dampier has been hobbled by injury. They turned

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Speaker 3: to Bird Fickling against Colorado and he ended up behind

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Speaker 3: an offensive line that was named Big twelve Offensive Line

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Speaker 3: of the Week. He was named a Big twelve Offensive

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Speaker 3: Player of the Week. Was great with his legs. He

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Speaker 3: threw for one hundred and forty ran for one fifty

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Speaker 3: one three total touchdowns. Utah just destroyed Colorado. By the way,

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Speaker 3: you don't see many Colorado fans in your life anymore,

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Speaker 3: do you. For a year and a half, a lot

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Speaker 3: of folks telling you, oh, yeah, big Colorado fan all along. Okay,

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Speaker 3: well not anymore. Utah thrashed him. And so last week

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati had to prepare for the statistically at least best

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Speaker 3: passing offense in the league and Baylor. Now I don't

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Speaker 3: think Baylor necessarily has the best passing offense in the league,

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Speaker 3: but statistically you looked at him and said, Bearcats are

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Speaker 3: gonna have their hands full. They did a very good

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Speaker 3: job against Baylor throwing the football. Utah, among all the group,

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Speaker 3: all the among all the power for schools, has the

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Speaker 3: most prolific rushing attack. They were awesome, ran it for

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Speaker 3: over four hundred yards against Colorado, and so a different animal.

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Speaker 3: And this is something you worry about. There have been times,

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Speaker 3: especially when Dante Corleone hasn't been in the game, that

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati's defense hasn't shown as much resistance as you would

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Speaker 3: like on the ground. And the one thing the Bearcats

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Speaker 3: have been susceptible to at times is these long drawn

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Speaker 3: out offensive drives, which Utah is gonna try to keep

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Speaker 3: the ball on the ground. I'm sure. Can they keep

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati's offense off the field? Can that crowd be a factor?

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Speaker 4: We will see Cincinnati's nine and a half point dog

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Speaker 4: against Utah, so this is going to be a very

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Speaker 4: uphill battle.

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati is seven to one. They've hit the over during

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Speaker 3: the Big Twelve race. Is the program all the way

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Speaker 3: back to what it was in twenty twenty one? Maybe not,

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Speaker 3: But I think like two years ago, Scott's Addifield was

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Speaker 3: not a popular higher and everybody understands why. And I'd

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Speaker 3: belned to you if I said I didn't have skepticism then.

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Speaker 3: But I think there was a part of year one

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Speaker 3: that a lot of folks did not want to acknowledge

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Speaker 3: that I think is easier to acknowledge now. And it's

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Speaker 3: simply this. The leap from the American Athletic Conference to

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Speaker 3: the Big Twelve was larger than I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of people wanted to admit. And yes, Cincinnati and the

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Speaker 3: American Athletic Conference ran the table in twenty twenty, played

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Speaker 3: for a league championship in twenty nineteen, made the playoff

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. Heck, came one game away from

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Speaker 3: playing in the conference championship game in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: and so I think there was this belief that since

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Speaker 3: they had been so good in the league, that they

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Speaker 3: were going to be really equipped from a physicality standpoint,

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Speaker 3: from a speed standpoint, to meet the challenge of the

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Speaker 3: Big twelve. I think now, with the benefit of these

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Speaker 3: last two years, I think it's easy now to say

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Speaker 3: what a lot of folks did not want to admit

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. It was going to take

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Speaker 3: some time, regardless of who the coach was, for that

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Speaker 3: roster to be Big twelve red. So far it's been

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Speaker 3: Big twelve. Ready, we are ready to go. Thanks to

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Speaker 3: Drew Wester Heidi for producing on site tearn back and

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Speaker 3: ken Wood producing in our control room. We're back in

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Speaker 3: studio tomorrow three oh five. We're back here next Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Have an awesome night. Thank you for listening. Thanks to

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Speaker 3: the staff at Oakley Greens as well. This is ESPN

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