1 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: And welcome back Scott Berlin here. You're listening to let's garden? 2 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: What Scott Berlin and Sarah got your theme across the 3 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: way from me. We're glad to be here. We're glad 4 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: you're here, and we do have Nancy Lawson with us now. 5 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: I've just read a really good article by her in 6 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: American Gardener magazine, which is the American Horticulture Society's magazine 7 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: and you get it through membership, and she wrote a 8 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: great article on fireflies and a subject both Sarah and 9 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: I are really excited about, and we're really glad to 10 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: have her here. Nancy, how are you? 11 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: I'm good? Thank you. How are you, Scott? How are you? Sarah? 12 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: I'm good. 13 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I really enjoyed looking I didn't 14 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: have much time to go deep into it, but your 15 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: website is really cool. 16 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: Oh thank you. 17 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of good information there. So tell me 18 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: a little bit about yourself and then we'll get into 19 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: the fireflies. 20 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I started Humane Gardner about twelve years ago 21 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: as a sort of a way to kind of bridge 22 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: the plant and animal communities I was working with in 23 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: terms of he's trying to promote more harmony and kind 24 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: of coexistence with wild neighbors both below loved and misunderstood 25 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: in our communities. And and so I wrote a couple 26 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: of books along those lines and do a lot of 27 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: advocacy to try to I think I saw a lot 28 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: of you know, sort of in the animal welfare circles 29 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: I was, I was working in people not really doing 30 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: things for backyard wildlife right in their own communities, not 31 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: really understanding the plants connection. And then people in in 32 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 2: in my plant circles getting angry with all the mammal nibblers. 33 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: And there is that Yeah, your website is Humane gardener 34 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: dot com. Am I right, that's right, Yeah, that's what 35 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: I thought. So tell us a little bit about fireflies. 36 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: Both Sarah and I have been really a pre shading 37 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: them this summer, and it just seems like there's been 38 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: an a special, especially good abundance of them around now. 39 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: I was telling Sarah during one of the breaks that 40 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: you know, that was fireflies were just a given when 41 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: I was a kid growing up, and then there were 42 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: several maybe a decade in the nineties or more recent 43 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: even where you just didn't see them at all, And 44 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: now they seem to be making a comeback. And I 45 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: don't know if that's just my anecdotal experience or if 46 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, that was a real thing. But you know, 47 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about fireflies, and you know, 48 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,559 Speaker 1: I was surprised to find out they're actually beatles. 49 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're actually beetles. And yeah, I think this is 50 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: a particularly good season for them because they really like 51 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: humidity and. 52 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 4: Water. 53 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: They're prone to desiccation pretty quickly, so they need those 54 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: damp environments and we certainly have had that here. 55 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: On the whole East side of the United States, I believe. 56 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And so the they are they're definitely on 57 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: the decline, although there are there are a lot of 58 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: things that we can do just in our own spaces 59 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: to help the ones who are already there. So I 60 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: started really researching more in depth around maybe eight years ago, 61 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: and I was really excited to learn that there's there's 62 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 2: species that even though they might be prone to they 63 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: might be vulnerable to destruction because their populations are so 64 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: localized and they don't tend to move very much. They 65 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: they also that means that we can help them in 66 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: perpetuity if we put our minds to it. And and 67 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: that doesn't and in putting your mind to it often 68 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: me is just just stopping doing the things that are 69 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: harmful to them. It's not like you have to do 70 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: all that much. You just have to stop using pesticides. 71 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: You have to leave areas undisturbed. So mowing is really 72 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 2: hard on fireflies because they need even though they don't 73 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: really eat plant, they're not stought to really eat plants, 74 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: they need them for darkness and for cover and to 75 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: keep that moisture you know, in the in the soil 76 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: and in the leaf lair and such interesting. Yeah, and 77 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: that leaf lair. 78 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to leave you know, as much of 79 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: your yard as you can with with the leaf layer. 80 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: And you mentioned logs and rotting wood and layers of 81 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: pine needles are very beneficial for them. 82 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: Right, And and not only because they need to retain much, sure, 83 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: but also because that's where their food is when as larvae, 84 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: so they're not they're not about to eat as adults typically, 85 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: but they're voracious as larvae, so they eat a lot 86 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: of soft bodied invertebrates. So they'll eat slugs, snails depending 87 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: on the species. Yeah, and and insects and all those 88 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: insects and slugs and snails need the rotting logs as well, 89 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: and the fallen leaves and the pine needles and pine needles, 90 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: that's sometimes where I mean you'll see larvae and the 91 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: leaves too, But that's where I've seen larvae lighting up. 92 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: Oh interesting, It's it's. 93 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: So amazing to see that. I mean, I've actually seen 94 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: them too, crossing the driveway like from micro habitat to 95 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: the other, which made me feel a little bad, like, 96 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: I don't say, have to be on asphalt, but they 97 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: got where they were going at. 98 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: But when I saw that the larval stage feeds on 99 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: slugs and grubs, you know, it occurred to me. And 100 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: I knew this already, but occurred to me again in 101 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: a very visceral way that you know, not every beneficial 102 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: insect is a pollinator. We kind of get into that 103 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: like frame of mind, say, oh yeah, pollinators, so many 104 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: of them are beneficial. They parasitize or prey upon these things. 105 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: But here's a beetle that we all love for its 106 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: beauty that is also very much a beneficial insect and 107 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: keeping control of slugs and grubs. 108 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I know I and I have 109 00:07:53,920 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: that situation so often where because I volunteer locally promoting 110 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: native bees with our with our be City group and such, 111 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: and and we were putting together some things about fireflies, 112 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: and the stuff about, oh, fireflies are pollinators kept coming up, 113 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: and and I had to, you know, point out that 114 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: they're They're not really thought to even go to flowers, 115 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: although in recent years they've been seen on milkweeds sometimes 116 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: and I've actually seen them on milk weed flowers, and 117 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: but it's not known if that's just sort of incidental or. 118 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: Just because so much to learn about some of these 119 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: things that you know, we really only scratched the surface on. 120 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: That's right. 121 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: That's right. 122 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: And like you said, like people they think that you 123 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: have to call them insight a pollinators, it worthwhile. 124 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 3: It's not the only thing they do. 125 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 126 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: So we need to go to break. But when we 127 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: get back, I want to talk about some of the behaviors, 128 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: like the flashing, and you know, some of these cool 129 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: things about the insects that I don't think most people 130 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: really know that much about. And I know everybody knows 131 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: and loves fireflies, but there's so much more to know 132 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: and love. So we'll we'll be back in just a 133 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: few minutes. We're with Nancy Lawton talking about fireflies. 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It's just there's logs 178 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: in the back by the woodpile and a fire pit. 179 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: There's moss. I mean, there's just everything that a firefly 180 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: would need. And this year I have never seen so 181 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: many fireflies in my life. And one thing that I 182 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: noticed that I had never noticed before is that they 183 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: were all up in the trees. And I see this list, 184 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: this field guide that you put together, and the second 185 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: one listed is spring tree top flashers. So I know 186 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: this is for your area, and I don't know if 187 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: it would be the same species in our area, but 188 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: was I was I seeing a different species and the 189 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: typical one that we see kind of in the meadows 190 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: and fields and yards up in my trees. 191 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: Well, so there's other ones too, who flash in the trees, 192 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: So it would depend on Yes, it's different from like 193 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: the big dipper firefly, which makes those really noticeable kind 194 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: of swooping day shapes across meadows, the ones in the trees, 195 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 2: so that if it was the spring tree flasher, it 196 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: would have been not right now, right earlier in the season, maybe. 197 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: Like two to three weeks ago, and they weren't flying, 198 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: they were they were blinking on and off, and they 199 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: were very very clearly in the canopy trees. 200 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I mean, there's also the next one 201 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: on that list, the creekside tree blinker, and so yeah, 202 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: I mean, and it sounds like you might, with all 203 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: that land around you and presumably darkness too, you might 204 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: have multiple different kinds there. 205 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: We should mention that there's one hundred and seventy species 206 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: in North America and twenty four hundred in the world, 207 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: and that was a new thing on me. I just 208 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know there were so many species. I didn't 209 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: even know there's more than one. And so this is cool. 210 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I figure there was more than one. With insects, 211 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: it's like, you know, are there more species? The answer 212 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: is always yes, But yeah, I did not know that 213 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: there were so many different varieties and different behaviors and fireflies. 214 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, I mean, and I don't think I 215 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: did either, you know, when we first moved here and 216 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: started seeing them, I think you just think of a 217 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: firefly as a firefly at first. But they have these 218 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: they have different colors of flashes, and they have different 219 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: flashing patterns. And it's really interesting when you read the 220 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: books by the people who really study this. They they 221 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: they'll actually tell you there's a woman named Lynn Fryarson Faust, 222 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: and she's the one who discovered synchronous fireflies and the smokies, 223 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: and she she has all these species profiles in her book, 224 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: and they'll say things like, at sixty nine degrees Fairnheit, 225 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: you know, this species flashes two point seven seconds, and 226 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: then at seventy one degrees it's every three seconds. And yeah, yeah, 227 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: and so you know, I'll never I'll never be able 228 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: to get to that level. That's kind of why I 229 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: made this guy, because I'm also not going to go 230 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: and like, sometimes you have to look at firefly genitalia 231 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: and stuff like that to really identify by species. 232 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: So it's important to note that, you know, of course, 233 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: with the huge amount of energy it must take the 234 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: flash that you know, the only thing worth doing that 235 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: for is for courtship and mating. And is it that 236 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: it's the males. 237 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: That flash, well, both of them flat. Okay, So the 238 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: males tend to move around more, and it'd be the 239 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: ones that are cruising in the meadows and the treetops. 240 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: The females are usually perching on a low grass or 241 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: a flower or or on the ground and and you know, 242 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: we'll flash back to let them know where they are. 243 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: And it's thought that the flashing evolved. One of the 244 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: theories is that it evolved when they were larvae to 245 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 2: let predators know that they were toxic. And yeah, and 246 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: so that the chemicals came first and then the flashing 247 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 2: was interesting. 248 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess surviving is slightly more important than mating. 249 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: But you know it's up there tell us about like 250 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: the importance of darkness. 251 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they that's one of the biggest threats to them, 252 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: and it just to pesticides. And how to tell loss 253 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: is light pollution because they can't see each other when 254 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: there's too much skyglow or too much light shining and 255 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: onto the land where they're trying to flash. And there's 256 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: some interesting research the past few years showing you know, 257 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: you know how a lot of insects. Studies have been 258 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: showing that and their light is better for quite a 259 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: few insects than that. 260 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 3: Light that you can get, right, okay. 261 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: And that turns out that's really bad for fireflies, and 262 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: so somebody, uh so that was I think the initial 263 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: research on that was Sarah Lewis at Tough since she 264 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: wrote a really great book called Silent Sparks. But in 265 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: some later research, I think they showed that red lights 266 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: can help get you where you're going, but are the 267 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: least impactful to the most insects and at least to fireflies. 268 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: So of course timers, you know, or not timers, but 269 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: motion activated lights that only are on when you when 270 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: it detects you walking around, you know, if just long 271 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: enough to get you to your car and back. You know, uh, 272 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: that's got to be helpful. 273 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: Don't know. And I mean we just use our phone flashlights, 274 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: but I know, like you know, it depends on where 275 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: you are and you know, how easily you can see 276 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: where you're going and stuff for safety. But but yeah, 277 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: that and also planting evergrains or even even some hedgerows 278 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: to block out if your neighbor has security, like. 279 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: Good ideas like that. Yeah, plus that's habitat right. 280 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. I really think the tree lined my yard makes 281 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: a huge difference in terms of the darkness in the back. 282 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: And there's there's woods in the back, but just those 283 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 3: tall trees, uh, you know, and it's it doesn't really 284 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 3: shade my yard so much. I mean, there's still good 285 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 3: sun to plant, but at night way it is dark, 286 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: dark back there. 287 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: Nancy. It's it's been so fun talking to you. I'd 288 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: like to have you come back and talk about other 289 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: human gardening practices that all of us could use. Thanks 290 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: so much for being here. Your organization is Humane gardener 291 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: dot com. You also reference firefly dot org and firefly 292 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: at liast dot org in your article. Thanks again, we'll 293 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: be back in just a few minutes. You're listening to 294 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: Let's Garden Scott barrowin. 295 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 6: Tardis sticky fly ribbons that get stuck to everything. Well, 296 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 6: you love the newest fly trap from Rescue called Flypad. 297 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 6: Flies are lured to the trap special colors and patterns, 298 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 6: and thanks to an innovative ridge surface, it keeps your 299 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 6: fingers away from the glue. Flypad can be used anywhere 300 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 6: you need fly control. 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I'm here with Sarah Geiger Beam from Wimburg Landscaping, 315 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: landscape designer, beekeeper, hiker, plant grower, seed starter, speaker of Spanish, 316 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: former Peace Corps, all kinds of you know, cook all 317 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: kinds of things. So we didn't get to some things 318 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: earlier in the show, and I thought, well, let's just 319 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: fill out with things we should have done last week 320 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: timely garden tasks. Of course, folks, if you're give us 321 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: a call, it's a number here is eight hundred and eighty 322 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: three eighty two fifty five. Will talk about anything you 323 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: want to talk about or answer any questions. But in 324 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: the meantime, what are some things we should have done 325 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: last week's here? 326 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 3: Well, what I should have done a couple of weeks 327 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: ago was prove my tomatoes back harder than I did. Yeah, 328 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: so I caught them back pretty hard this week. It's 329 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: been years since I grew tomatoes and cages. Yeah, and 330 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 3: that kind of threw me off. To be honest, I'm 331 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 3: not sure I'm a fan. Especially, I don't think I'm 332 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 3: going to do it again. 333 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: Hard to reach in there and pick. 334 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, the plants got too bushy on me 335 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: before I realized it. And I'm used to doing what's 336 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: called the Florida weave. People can google it. It's tall 337 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 3: rebar and it's basically just string every two feet and 338 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 3: you wrap it around the rebar and you go around 339 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: one side and then you go around the other side 340 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 3: and you can kind of just like tie up the 341 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: tomatoes as you go. I think it's supposed to be 342 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: determinate tomatoes. Commercial growers use it, but I've done it 343 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 3: with indeterminate tomatoes and it just grows up and it 344 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 3: kind of flops down. But what's nice about that is 345 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 3: that you can get on both sides of the plant 346 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: and it doesn't get too thick, right. But with the cages, 347 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 3: it's just like it's a what's going on in there? 348 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: You know, it's too much room. It feels like it's. 349 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: Very leafy inside, and I don't think air movement is 350 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: as good. 351 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 352 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always been well. For the past several years, 353 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: I've been doing bamboo steaks and like some kind of 354 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: cute see way of tying them together tripods or in 355 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: racks or something. But I think this year I haven't 356 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: done it with my main tomatoes yet. It's probably a 357 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: little late, but I think I'm going to put two 358 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: te bars up or three, and then I've got some 359 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: leftover farm agriculture fence or farm fence whatever, and I'm 360 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: just gonna, you know, tie it up as a straight 361 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: line between the bars, yeah, and just tie the tomatoes 362 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: up to that. You know, I can start it maybe 363 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: two or three two feet off the ground, which will 364 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: mean it's I could tie up as high as seven feet, yeah, 365 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: and or six feet and that should be good. That 366 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: four by four hole in the wire is really easy 367 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: to work around. 368 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 3: You don't want I'm too small. 369 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: No, even my my big hands can get through four 370 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: by four if I'm careful. And the trouble is remembering 371 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: to unclench my fists so I can get it back out. 372 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: That's where I tend to go wrong. And there's been 373 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: times I thought I was going to starve to death, 374 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: and then I eventually remember open my hand and get 375 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: back out. Yeah. I speaking of tomatoes and you know, 376 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: cucumbers and squash. It's like it's pickle or freeze time. 377 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: Which are there? I know, I know I'm not a 378 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: big you know, I haven't done that in years. But 379 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: if you're into that, it's time to start thinking about 380 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: get your jars out, clean them up, start planning for 381 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: a hot kitchen. I wanted to mention a couple of 382 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: things about watering that I have found really really useful, 383 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of people have, but those 384 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: inexpensive battery powered timers that you can buy at any 385 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: hardware store. You put an eyebolt in it and set 386 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: a schedule. Works really well. 387 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 4: You know. 388 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: You set that up with a sprinkler of your garden 389 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: and you know, if you get rain, you go out 390 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: there and turn off the valve and open it back up. 391 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: But we've been lucky so far this year where we 392 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: have not I've barely watered at all. But you know 393 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: it's common, like every year we always land at the 394 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: average annual rainfall, and yet we go through droughts, we. 395 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: Go through dais, especially late season droughts in this region. 396 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like August and September and even in 397 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: October have been really really rough. 398 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 3: Less. 399 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: What's next on your list? 400 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 3: Fence line clean up? You know, I've been cleaning up 401 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 3: behind my shed, and you know there's just certain trees 402 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: that pop up in your fence line, in your back areas. 403 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: They're growing like crazy right now. You know, caller re pairs, 404 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 3: calori pairs. If you turn your back on a mulberry, 405 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 3: before you know it, it's you know, like locusts. Yeah, 406 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 3: so just things like that. It's a decent time of year. 407 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: To just you Woody plants especially get established in a fence. 408 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: They're so hard to get rid of, yes, and they 409 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: can you know, too many years and they're growing through 410 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: the fence and wood. They're you know, encapsulating the the 411 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: fence in the wood inside the woods. 412 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: Volunteer trees can destroy a fence, that's for sure. 413 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: They can. 414 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're very good at it, you know, that's 415 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 3: their survival strategy. They just come up in those forgotten 416 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 3: areas and don't get mowed down, and it works for them. 417 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 3: But you don't always want it in your garden. 418 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: Not always. Sometimes an eye on that. 419 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 3: What else. Yeah, I've been doing some structural pruning. I 420 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: just I brought some equipment. 421 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: Into very important with young trees to get. 422 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: Some gravel and I had I had to make some 423 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: access and it's like, well, you know, that's that's a 424 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 3: good excuse to do some structural pruning on these trees. 425 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 3: And you can kind of do that at most times 426 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 3: of the year. 427 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the rules are always there as doorman, 428 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: but you know, I've also a lot of people will 429 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: just tell you when's the right time to prune. It's 430 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: like when you're in the yard and you see something 431 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: needs pruning and you have your soul. 432 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 3: Well, it was the right time for me because I 433 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: needed to get equipment through. 434 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: Without getting knocked off, machinery without getting knocked off. 435 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I don't it was a red bud. 436 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: I don't expect it to hurt the tree. It'll still 437 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 3: be beautiful. 438 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: Give it more character. 439 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 440 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm always just on repeat with this one. But 441 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: we stay on top of your weeds, you know, just 442 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: never let them go to seed. Yep, this is a 443 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: good time of year when the ground starts to get 444 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: a little dryer. Just get the old scuffle ho ho out. 445 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: I have such trouble saying ho scuffle hoe, scuffle ho. 446 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 3: I don't remember if I talked about the colinear ho 447 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 3: when I was on earlier, But there there there's a 448 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 3: tool called a colinear hoe CEO l l I n 449 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 3: e ar or something like that. Johnny's Seeds sells it. 450 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: And it's just this little blade that is trapezoid in 451 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 3: shape and it's just the right angle and it almost 452 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: feels like you're vacuuming your garden. You're just kind of 453 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 3: skimming it over the top. Now, this is not for 454 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 3: established landscape beds. Really, it's really more for agricultural production, 455 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: small scale agriculture, so things that have been recently tilled 456 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 3: that have loose friable soil. And but I'm telling you 457 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: it's like the garden swift where you just go in there, 458 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: you just scrape those little So. 459 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: This would be good for like a vegetable bed. Yeah, primarily. 460 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's better if your mulch is finer textured. 461 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 3: You know, you don't want pine nuggets when you're using 462 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: a colinear hoe. But yeah, it's it's it's a great 463 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 3: tool and I'm finding it very useful to manage my 464 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 3: race beds in the nursery. 465 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm finding that mulching it almost makes hoeing impossible a 466 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: lot of times. Yeah, and I'm finding more and more 467 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: than I'm not mulching at all. 468 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 5: You know. 469 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: It's funny that you brought that up because I was 470 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: thinking about that yesterday in the garden. I have not 471 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 3: mulched my vegetable plot yet, and I'm just I'm doing 472 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 3: the colinear hoe without the mults, Like, yeah, it's going 473 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 3: to be harder once I have a fine texture mulch. 474 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 3: But you know, I was thinking about in Paraguay and 475 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 3: they did not really mulch their vegetable gardens in the 476 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: way that we do. But they did constantly scrape the 477 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 3: top layer. Yeah, can get in just regularly. Yeah, but 478 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 3: they had different soil than we do. But yeah, they monitored. 479 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: They were just the vegetable plots were near the house 480 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 3: and they tended to be managed by the women. They 481 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: were separate from the fields, and so like a lot 482 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 3: of regular attention, kind of just an extension of the kitchen, 483 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 3: just go in there. 484 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm finding you know, with the ornamentmental beds, the 485 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: plants are filling in pretty nicely and and so there's 486 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: not a need for mults like there used to be. 487 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: The scoff a hoe is really good for that because 488 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: it cuts very shallowly, yes, and both forward and backwards, 489 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: so you're. 490 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 3: You're saving, you're shaving, really. 491 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: You're shaving the top off, and that's pretty effective if 492 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: the weeds aren't really established or you're on it all 493 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: the time, you know, knocking them down. But I'm finding 494 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: a lot of advantages to not really mulching. Continue. I've 495 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: seen two maybe three colonies of ground bs move in 496 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: which are really lovely, really cool. Yeah, and you know, 497 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. Just the look of a lot of 498 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: mulch is kind of started to get old to me, 499 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: and I do like seeing I think the spreading plants 500 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: spread better when they're not mulch. 501 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 3: I agree with that. 502 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you then you you have the natural mulch, 503 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: right yeah, which. 504 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 3: You just have to pick the approach that fits your 505 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: goals for the space and the time that you have, 506 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: and you know, whatever, there's there's different ways to do it. 507 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 3: There's definitely benefits of mulch. I don't want to downplay that, 508 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 3: but you can be successful. And part of what's working 509 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 3: for me is that I am out there every single 510 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 3: day because I have plants and tiny pots, so it's 511 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: not like the lack of mulch is going to make 512 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 3: everything dry out too fast for me. It works for 513 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 3: my system, you know. But I do plan on putting 514 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: at least a thin layer of multch down. 515 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: Did you have any other tasks on your list? 516 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: Just potting up? 517 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 4: You know? 518 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 3: With the nursery, I am learning as I go this 519 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 3: first year. You know how fast things are growing and 520 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 3: what I'm capable of producing. And man, I tell you 521 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: what I've got swamp milkweed still in like thirty two 522 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,479 Speaker 3: trays and it's as tall as I am, but I 523 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: have in raised beds on top of mulch and it's 524 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 3: rooting down through the mulch. So you know, I just 525 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 3: am getting such a visceral sense of how fast things 526 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 3: are growing this time of year, and you know, figuring out. 527 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: Especially with the weather we've had where it's been very 528 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: very consistent rain and you know it's been hot, but 529 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: not in such a way that it inhibits growth too 530 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: much yet, right, So that's yeah, I've been a thing. 531 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's been kind of perfect growing conditions. 532 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: Here's a one that I'm going to start harping on 533 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: every week, I think is observe, you know, just you know, 534 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: if you not in the habit of going out in 535 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: the garden every day like I am, start getting into 536 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: habits somehow, whether it's you know, every Sunday or at 537 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: least once a week, walk your yard and check your trees, 538 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: check your your flowers, your shrubs. Just observe for things 539 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: that are different or not quite right, or are beautiful 540 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: and delightful that you would have missed had you not 541 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: been out there. 542 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 3: Doing so fast in a garden, they really do. 543 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: And if yeah, what's the fairest Bueler line. If you're 544 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: not paying attention, you might miss and I forget what 545 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: the line is, but it's it goes you might miss 546 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: cool stuff. 547 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 548 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: And you know, gardens are once a year, you know, 549 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: they come around once a year, and we don't live 550 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: as long as we want to, and so take advantage 551 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: of your garden and your time and go out there 552 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: and see it. 553 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 3: Well, your garden. It's lovely, it's good for you. 554 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: And the other one, of course is get to the 555 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: garden center. 556 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 557 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: You want to do that for sure. But you know what, 558 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: we're going to go to our final break right now, 559 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: and when we come back, we'll just chat at a 560 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: couple more things and then Gary Solovon comes in and 561 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: says hello, and that would be really always fun to do. 562 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: So we'll be back with all that in just a 563 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: few minutes. 564 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 5: I'm nonplug and stop covering up odors, Gary Solvent here, 565 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 5: those plugins and sprays, you're just smelling odor plus fragrance. 566 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 5: Odor Exit Eliminator is natural. It removes odors up to 567 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 5: source so you can actually breathe fresh clean air. 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This powerful 577 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 5: water based formula cuts from multiple layers of latex acrylic, 578 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 5: oil based paints, varnishes and stains one application. 579 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: Best of all, it's. 580 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 5: Non flammable and free from harsh chemicals. It's ideal for 581 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 5: indoor outdoor projects. Smart Strip Advance non aerosol Spray is 582 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 5: available at participating Sherwin Williams and do it Best retailers 583 00:36:42,320 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 5: Ordumond Global dot com. 584 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Scott Berlin. You're listening to that 585 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: garden with Scott Berlin and I am here with Sarah 586 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: Geiger Beam. It's been absolutely wonderful to have you again. 587 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 3: I love being here. 588 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: Have you back soon as soon as you can. How 589 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: about that? 590 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 3: Sure? 591 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: Don't worry about running into the microphone. 592 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 3: I just ran into the microphone. 593 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: But we had I think we had a good good morning. 594 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: We talked about favorite plants, we talked about things to 595 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: do in the garden, we talked about fireflies, Yeah, hot 596 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: sauce spills. 597 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we covered a lot. 598 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: A I we were all over the board. Yeah, we 599 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: did a great job. And how can people reach you? 600 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 3: Wimberg Landscaping dot com, which is w I M B 601 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 3: E r G is the company that I designed for. 602 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 3: And check out our website. We specialize in pollinator gardens 603 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 3: and if you're interested in having me or one of 604 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 3: the other designers come out, take a look at. 605 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: Your space, do consultations. 606 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 3: You do it, We do consultations. You can reach out 607 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 3: on the website. 608 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's been a lot of fun. But you 609 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: know what is also a lot of fun talking with 610 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: Gary Sullivan. Yeah, and he's right here with us. How 611 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: are you, Gary, Good morning. 612 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 4: I'm fine with you life. You were busy this week. 613 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: We were busy all over the place. I'm exhausted. 614 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 4: You sound pretty fresh. 615 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: Oh. I just keep it up for about another ten 616 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: minutes and then I fall apart. 617 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 4: There you go. 618 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: Then snap time yeah. 619 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. Well it's busy in the homestead. Well 620 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 4: it's always busy. You got the house, You're always busy. 621 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 4: I can see you're busy too. 622 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 623 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 4: A thing I thought we'd talk about today, quite honestly, 624 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 4: is painting. We haven't talked much about that lately. We've 625 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 4: been fixing things like concrete and everything else. But uh, index, 626 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 4: but house painting is certainly uh tis the season, as 627 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 4: they say. And yeah, I always preach to people about 628 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 4: painting in fact every time, and see if you agree. 629 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 4: When when you talk home improvement in painting, it's kind 630 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 4: of like talking about gardens. It's all about curb appeal. 631 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 632 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 4: And uh, pain is a protective coating. It's protecting your house. 633 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: It's sort of like the flight attendant. The flight attendant 634 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: you think is there to serve you coffee, but what 635 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: they're really there for is to save your life. Yeah, 636 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: if there's a problem. 637 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 4: That's exactly right. Yeah. 638 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 2: You know. 639 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 4: I was chat with some people this week and they're 640 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 4: critter control wildlife control specialists. Where wildlife gets in your attic, 641 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 4: be it squirrels, be it raccoons, be it bats or whatever. 642 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 4: And one guy says to me, he goes. You know, really, 643 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 4: in a lot of cases, it can be prevented if 644 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 4: people paid attention to the wood around their gutters and 645 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 4: made sure there wasn't separations, made sure there wasn't somebody 646 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 4: scratching through the wood, make sure the wood wasn't rotted, 647 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 4: and I said, or they finally paint the area exactly exactly. 648 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 4: So it's not all about curb appeal. We will dress 649 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 4: the house up a little bit, that's for sure, but 650 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 4: it's really about protecting the substrates in the house. So 651 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 4: we'll talk about not only types of paints, which have 652 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 4: really changed dramatically over the last fifteen twenty years. 653 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: Fascinating subject. 654 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we'll talk about the tools to use, 655 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 4: because there really is a lot of different types of 656 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 4: brushes and some work better, and different types of paints 657 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 4: and different types of weather and roller covers. So we're 658 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 4: going to do a whole one on one on one 659 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 4: on one on painting today. 660 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: That sounds really fantastic. You know, it all comes down 661 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: to those little things too, like the right brush to 662 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: make a job either miserable or actually go well and 663 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: fast and be a pleasure. 664 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, one of the interesting things about paints is, 665 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 4: you know, we used to have oil based paints and 666 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 4: you'd brush them out and Jesse, you could brush them 667 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 4: out for two hours, three hours. It wouldn't drive for 668 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 4: twenty four hours. And then we get into these acrylics, 669 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 4: and then we get into these super acrylics that are 670 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 4: self priming and everything, and some of those things. I'm 671 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 4: gonna say about eight years ago, if you happen to 672 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 4: be painting in the sun, which you shouldn't be doing anyway, 673 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 4: in the middle of the day, that paint could dry 674 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 4: on a brush. I mean it would dry so fast, 675 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 4: and then people would call and say, hey, can I 676 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 4: put some water in I said no. If the manufacturer 677 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 4: wanted more water in there, they would put more water 678 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 4: in there. And now we're kind of going the other way. 679 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 4: They're taking these really super acrylic paints and they're trying 680 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 4: to slow down the dry time, and they've done that 681 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 4: quite well, so it's not as big of a problem 682 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 4: putting on acrylic paints eight ten years ago was it 683 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 4: was a devil to get it where there wasn't brushstrokes 684 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 4: because it would dry so fast. So paint in the shade, 685 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 4: paint on the opposite side of the sun on your 686 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:25,359 Speaker 4: house and really read the recode time in the dry time. 687 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 4: If you can get a dry time on an exterior 688 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 4: crylic about thirty minutes. Yeah, your gold. So that's our 689 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 4: chat today. 690 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,919 Speaker 1: Right, that sounds great. We'll be listening. 691 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 4: All right, you go ahea of your nap. 692 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: Okay, after your show. I want to thanks Sarah again, 693 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: thank you so much, and Nancy Laws in the Humane 694 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: Gardener for the fun time we had on fireflies. Thank 695 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: all the listeners. Thank you for listening. We do know 696 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,879 Speaker 1: that there was a network problem. Thanks for sticking by 697 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: Danny Gleeson, our producer. Makes us sound good, makes us 698 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,359 Speaker 1: look beautiful, well not to look beautiful part, but sound good. 699 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: Podcasts are available any source of podcasts just search Let's 700 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: Garden Scott Perline. We'll see you next week. We're gonna 701 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: have another good show and uh stay cool.