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Speaker 3: got a lot on the docket for today. We will

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Speaker 3: we'll talk basketball, we'll talk baseball, we'll talk football all

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Speaker 3: over the course of the next three hours, and we'll

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Speaker 3: take your phone calls five to one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. A long weekend that was. And I know

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Speaker 3: that Chad Brenda was in yesterday and probably got to

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Speaker 3: to what happened over the course of the weekend and

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Speaker 3: what happened yesterday in the world of sports. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: Reds today. We'll do so with the man out in

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Speaker 3: Arizona covering the Reds right now. Our good friend from

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Speaker 3: Fox nineteen, Joe Daniman, will join us at one o'clock.

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Speaker 3: We have some audio from red spring training. We've got

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Speaker 3: la Cruz. We'll get to that buster one. Austin gave

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Speaker 3: his top ten pitchers in Major League Baseball going into

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty six season, also listed a number of

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Speaker 3: honorable mention pitchers. One name was included to that list

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Speaker 3: from the Reds. Another name omitted from that list for

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Speaker 3: the Cincinnati we'll discuss. We'll talk Bengals today. The window

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Speaker 3: is now open for the franchise tag across the National

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Speaker 3: Football League. Of course, that draws into the question of

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Speaker 3: had to say about going and getting Max Crosby. It

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Speaker 3: best free agent fits across the National Football League. How

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Speaker 3: about this going on? As Spring training is now ramping

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Speaker 3: up Austin, the Major League Baseball Players Association is in

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a tough situation right now, as

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Speaker 3: their executive director, Tony Clark resigned now could not pick

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Speaker 3: a worse time to resign. He did this earlier today.

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Speaker 3: It now leaves the players union without a leader less

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Speaker 3: than a year before the expiration of Major League Baseball's

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Speaker 3: collective bargaining agreement. It comes in the wake of the

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Speaker 3: Eastern District of New York's ongoing investigation into the finances

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Speaker 3: and other dealings of the Major League Baseball Players Association. So, Austin,

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Speaker 3: as we have talked about a huge year coming up

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Speaker 3: I would imagine that losing your executive director before all

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Speaker 3: of those negotiations is not the most ideal scenario for

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Speaker 4: Definitely not the most ideal scenario. You mentioned. It expires

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Speaker 4: But yeah, and Brent Souter said, this is gonna be

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Speaker 4: So hopefully they're able to come up with something and

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Speaker 3: Time will tell. MMA fans, I would imagine are pretty

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Speaker 4: Okay, Now I thought she was just like still just

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Speaker 4: It's just I'm over there, just wincing in pain watching

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Speaker 4: I literally have no idea. I feel like I didn't

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Speaker 3: And I thought, in watching like Victor weinbin Yama to

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Speaker 4: Okay, he beat Carter Bryant from the San Antonio Spurs. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I have never heard of either one of those guys.

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Speaker 4: The NBA Three Point Contest? Do you know who won?

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Speaker 4: Shouldn't tell you? Damian Lillard, Dame Dame time, isn't he hurt?

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Speaker 3: He's been in rehab. He hasn't played this year. He

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Speaker 3: He won it?

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Speaker 4: This is NBA dot Com twenty twenty six winner, Damian Lillard.

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Speaker 4: It also has it's been graded by PSA, Yes, and

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Speaker 4: It was graded a gim Meant ten by PSA. It

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Speaker 3: we can get back there with the help of some Bearcats.

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Speaker 3: Think that would be a first step and a successful

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Speaker 3: one for the Bengals organization. For what it's worth, I

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Speaker 3: agreed with that person.

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Speaker 4: I would love to see them sign either one of

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Speaker 4: those guys, have no I have no problem with that.

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Speaker 4: I would I don't know if I necessarily believe that

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Speaker 4: the same you know, same sense that you do. But

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Speaker 4: you know, it's hard to deny. There are no current

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Speaker 4: Bearcats on the Bengals roster to my knowledge.

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Speaker 3: Last one was who Kevin Huber? Oh, just a whole

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Speaker 3: hum career I guess he had with the Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like there's one, isn't there one on

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Speaker 4: the practice squad?

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Speaker 3: Well, there was a there was a cup of coffee

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Speaker 3: for des Ritter. Well, of course there was that time

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Speaker 3: at training camp. I don't know, maybe I made that

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Speaker 3: up anyway. Anyway, Dante Corleone is draftable, got a position

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Speaker 3: of need for the Bengals. He can play what three

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Speaker 3: or four snaps a year. If he gets a couple

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Speaker 3: of snaps in, they're gonna be good. They're gonna be good.

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Speaker 3: Remember when he was just like never on the field

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Speaker 3: when it mattered most. Yep, Cyrus Allen tied the touchdown record.

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Speaker 3: He'd be a nice number three wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: I was pretty excited when Tyson Vite left to go

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Speaker 4: to Penn State after watching the Bearcats.

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Speaker 3: I was like, let's go, Well, here's what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Then I'm gonna take a break, and I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: scour the sales floor and ask who had something to

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Speaker 3: say this morning about the battle.

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Speaker 4: I tell you it wasn't one of them. Really, Huh,

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Speaker 4: wasn't one of them? Oh well, if.

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Speaker 3: It's anyone above them that could maybe put some pieces

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Speaker 3: together as to what's been happening around.

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Speaker 4: How you view the hierarchy of this place to figure

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Speaker 4: out who said such a thing. I think this particular

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Speaker 4: person is someone with power and integrity, all right, you

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Speaker 4: may not view them that way.

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Speaker 3: Well, after these comments, I don't care who. I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna view them that. I'm protecting their identity, all right.

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Speaker 3: I'll be in to talk to you in just a

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Speaker 3: second while we take a break. Since he three to

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Speaker 3: sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, we'll get to

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Speaker 3: some Major League Baseball and a buster only top ten

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Speaker 3: list that has a glaring no mission in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: We'll dive into that next on the Home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: he brings the Heat Moegar today at three pm on

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Speaker 3: Anytime you're feeling good and hungry, it's Skyline time. All right,

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Speaker 3: Let's let's do this from a Red's point of view,

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Speaker 3: because we have some reds audio to get to. But

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Speaker 3: I saw yesterday Austin buster Onnie is kind of going

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Speaker 3: through position groups going into the twenty twenty sixth season,

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Speaker 3: and his first position group he started with yesterday, we're

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Speaker 3: starting pitchers. I was reading this and wanted to bring

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Speaker 3: this back into to call today. Here are buster Onnie's

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Speaker 3: top ten pitchers going into the twenty twenty six season.

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Speaker 3: Number one Tarik Skuball number two. He has Paul Sken's

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Speaker 3: number three, Yoshiobu Yamamoto, Garrett Crochet number four. He lists

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Speaker 3: Christopher Sanchez's five, Hunter Brown has six, Max Fried at seven,

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Speaker 3: and then Logan Webb, Chris Sayle, and Jacob de Gram

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Speaker 3: round out the top ten. Now, I was not expecting

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Speaker 3: a Red pitcher to be in the top ten going

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Speaker 3: into the season. Now, buster Onney also dished out some

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Speaker 3: honorable mentions Blake Snell, Zach Wheeler, Garrett Cole, Freddy Peralta,

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Speaker 3: Brian Wu, Dylan Ceese, Carlos Rodin, Kevin Gosman, and Cole

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Speaker 3: Reagan's I'm sorry, and he added his last one was

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Speaker 3: Andrew Abbott. He said Andrew Abbott produced a five point

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Speaker 3: six war for Cincinnati last year. Two point eight seven

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Speaker 3: ERA twenty nine starts the question I have, Austin, because

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Speaker 3: we were talking about cy Young Upside last week, and

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Speaker 3: we spent a lot of time talking about Hunter Green,

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Speaker 3: and it feels like at times when we talk pictures

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Speaker 3: that Hunter Green can be looked over. And I get,

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Speaker 3: you gotta make all your You gotta make your starts.

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Speaker 3: You can't have season after season where you're talking about

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Speaker 3: injuries or battling back in different ways. But in hearing

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Speaker 3: the list, Austin, are you surprised that Hunter Green is

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Speaker 3: not on an honorable mention side of things?

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Speaker 4: My first reaction is why do I care what Buster

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Speaker 4: only thinks? Yeah, that's my first thought. Secondly, I don't

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Speaker 4: expect him to be on any top ten list because

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Speaker 4: he doesn't pitch enough.

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Speaker 3: No, not top ten, but honorable mention, I thought, I

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Speaker 3: don't expect that either.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't pitch enough, okay, And and Buster writes about

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Speaker 4: that in the piece. He mentions Hunter Green and says

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Speaker 4: that you know, he could be in the top ten,

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Speaker 4: but he doesn't pitch enough. It's it's We talked about

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Speaker 4: it a lot last year. We'll talk about it again

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Speaker 4: this year. It's one of the over kind of overarching

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Speaker 4: themes of the Reds this year is can those three

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Speaker 4: starters Abbott, Lodolo and primarily Green and Lodolo pitch enough

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Speaker 4: to make this a difference? Can you get ninety starts

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Speaker 4: out of those three guys? It just hasn't happened between

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Speaker 4: Lodolo and Green. I think Lodolo is just as nasty

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Speaker 4: as Hunter Green is. And I've talked a lot about

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Speaker 4: how much I love Hunter Green, but he just doesn't

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Speaker 4: pitch enough. He's not on the field enough.

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Speaker 3: We talk and we have talked a lot about how

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Speaker 3: this team's success can tie into Hunter Green, and we

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Speaker 3: talked about Hunter's goals and vision board last week. When

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Speaker 3: we talk about the Reds or when we lean into

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Speaker 3: this Reds team in the rotation, is it fair or

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Speaker 3: is it right? In your opinion to lead with Hunter

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Speaker 3: Green or should more of the conversation be talking about

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Speaker 3: Andrew Abbot at the top and then hoping for more

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Speaker 3: with Hunter Green, Because I think if Hunter Green and Andrew

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Speaker 3: Abbit make the same amount of starts, you're talking about

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Speaker 3: Hunter Green having a better year. But to this point,

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Speaker 3: Andrew Rabbit has made the starts, and he has been

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Speaker 3: a work course for this bullpen and for this organization,

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Speaker 3: and yet we go back to Hunter Green, Hunter Green,

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Speaker 3: Hunter Green. I just I wonder are we talking about

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Speaker 3: Hunter too much and not Andrew Abbit enough based on

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Speaker 3: what he can mean for this roster. No.

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Speaker 4: I think Reds fans who pay close attention understand the

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Speaker 4: value in Andrew Abbott and are impressed with what he's

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Speaker 4: been able to do, especially the way he's kind of

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Speaker 4: adjusted since he first got to the big leagues into now.

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Speaker 4: And I think Hunter's done a good job of that

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Speaker 4: as well. I think the difference is, you know, a

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Speaker 4: really good hitter, people don't appreciate as much as a

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Speaker 4: home run hitter. A guy who might hit for a

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Speaker 4: three twenty average people don't appreciate as much as a

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Speaker 4: guy who might hit forty or fifty home runs. And

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Speaker 4: I think it's the same thing in the same discourse

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Speaker 4: with pictures right now. Because you know Trek Scuball is

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Speaker 4: dominant and a power pitcher, Paul Skeens is dominant and

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Speaker 4: a power pitcher, you don't necessarily see a guy like

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Speaker 4: Andrew Abbot as much. And I think Moe's gonna have

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Speaker 4: the guy on today who basically said Andrew Abbit gets lucky.

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Speaker 4: And I think Red fans would watch and say Andrew

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Speaker 4: Abbott is a skilled pitcher who uses different speeds and

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Speaker 4: location and sequencing to get hitters out rather than just

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Speaker 4: overpowering them with the fastball. And depending on who you ask,

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Speaker 4: that might be more impressive than just being overpowering with

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Speaker 4: the fastball. But because that's so popular in today's day

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Speaker 4: and age, I think that gets more of the headlines

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Speaker 4: you mentioned.

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Speaker 3: The outlandis remark about Andrew Abbot that was made on

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Speaker 3: Friday by ESPN dot COM's Derek Carty and Todd Zola.

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Speaker 3: They went through and they put out a National League

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Speaker 3: betting preview and Carty predicted the Reds to go under

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Speaker 3: their post to total eighty two and a half. Now

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Speaker 3: that is a possibility that they could go under the reasoning,

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Speaker 3: I think is what has people taken back a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Carti wrote this, My projections are not sold on the

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Speaker 3: Reds being an average MLB team, mostly due to question

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Speaker 3: marks in their rotation. He says this quote, Andrew Abbott

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Speaker 3: has been one of the luckiest pitchers in baseball. Nicolodolo's

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Speaker 3: stuff declined after returning from injury last year, and Chase

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Speaker 3: Burns represents a significant injury risk. Throw into that a

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Speaker 3: week bullpen, and this pitching staff nearly cracks the bottom

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Speaker 3: five of projected staffs in baseball. The bat X whatever

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Speaker 3: that is, projects seventy nine wins for Cincinnati, even after

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Speaker 3: the addition of Iohanneo Suarez. So and again, I know

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Speaker 3: Moe's going to debunk the Andrew Rabbit has been lucky

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Speaker 3: side of things. But are we sure Nicolodolo's stuff has

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Speaker 3: declined in twenty twenty five, he made the most starts

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Speaker 3: through the most innings and had his lowest ra How

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Speaker 3: is that declining? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think it's important to note. Derek Cardi has come

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Speaker 4: out and said, Hey, I screwed this up. Uh, he said,

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Speaker 4: he put a tweet out. He's like, I'd like to

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Speaker 4: apologize to Red's fans, I think I misread the data.

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Speaker 4: I still do not believe in Abbot and I have

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Speaker 4: their bullpen projected below average, but my new stuff based projections.

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Speaker 4: Actually you love Green and Burns and have their rotation

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Speaker 4: top five.

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Speaker 3: He made such a Chase Burns significant injury risk, which yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean every pitcher that throws as hard as out

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Speaker 3: is going to be a risk.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think they noted that the injury and I say

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Speaker 4: it in quotations injury that landed Chase Burns on the

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Speaker 4: injured list last year, so he was good to go

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Speaker 4: over the playoff run. But yeah, I mean I think

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Speaker 4: we all disagreed with that. There's a difference between data

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Speaker 4: and watching pictures and understanding it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a thing about baseball. I was thinking

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Speaker 4: about this a little bit this weekend. I love that

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Speaker 4: there is so much data that you can get into

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Speaker 4: about how a particular pitcher performs, or how a hitter hits,

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Speaker 4: or the ballpark metrics or whatever it might be. I

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Speaker 4: love that that's all at the fingertips of baseball fans.

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Speaker 4: But also I think it gets in the way of, hey,

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Speaker 4: is this guy a good player or not? Based off

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Speaker 4: the way you watch them, and I think that's maybe

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Speaker 4: the case here with Andrew Abbott, because if you watch him,

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Speaker 4: you can tell it's not hard to tell. This is

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Speaker 4: a dude who knows how to pitch in the big

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Speaker 4: leagues and can get good hitters out, great hitters out

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Speaker 4: in a variety of different ways. It's not just relying

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Speaker 4: on fastball change up. I also don't think the bullpen's weaker.

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Speaker 4: I think the bullpen's stronger.

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Speaker 3: The point of this that I come back to, like,

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Speaker 3: I get that the Reds could go under their posted

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Speaker 3: total of eighty two and a half, but if the like,

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Speaker 3: if I were to say here, Austin right now, if

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Speaker 3: the Reds were to go under eighty two and a half,

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Speaker 3: it would because of what would you say it would

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Speaker 3: because of the pitching staff or would you point back,

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Speaker 3: probably to the offense again in the numbers if they

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Speaker 3: don't get to their posted win total.

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Speaker 4: My reaction right now would say it's because the pitching

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Speaker 4: staff got hurt. Okay, injuries, yeah, injuries, But you could

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Speaker 4: say that for any team, So that's it's a we

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Speaker 4: That would be a weasily answer. I would say the offense, Yes,

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Speaker 4: the offense continues not to produce if.

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Speaker 3: They're If they're under eighty two and a half, I

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Speaker 3: would go back to questioning did they do enough for

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Speaker 3: the offense? Did they add enough that way? I don't

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Speaker 3: think it to me the problem. And again, injuries can

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Speaker 3: happen and things we don't foresee. But on paper going

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Speaker 3: into the season, I don't think that pitching will be

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Speaker 3: this team's undoing. If they were to go under, I

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Speaker 3: think it would still be where the offense is. Ellie

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Speaker 3: de la Cruz spoke, Terry Francona spoke. We have a

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Speaker 3: clipping of audio from each we'll get to when we

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Speaker 3: get back. We'll finish up the hour with a phone

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Speaker 3: caller too as well, and then welcome in Joe Danoman

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Speaker 3: to kick off our number two that's still ahead, ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station WC Welcome back, since you

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Speaker 3: three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Thanks

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Speaker 3: to our friends, it's Skyline Chili. Let's finish up the

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Speaker 3: Reds conversation here an hour number one. Before we get

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Speaker 3: to Joe Danoman, a couple pieces of audio Austin that

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Speaker 3: have been collected over the last couple of days. Let's

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Speaker 3: start with this from Ellie de la Cruz on just

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Speaker 3: this team's chances to go win the NL Central.

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Speaker 7: Yea all day, that's all goal this year, and I

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Speaker 7: think we can do it. We got a great team

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Speaker 7: and we just gotta stay together and just get gone.

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Speaker 3: Do you think this team is better than last year's Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I believe so. Why do you think so?

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Speaker 7: We gotta the communication was there last year, we got

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Speaker 7: a great communication. We got some important pieces this year.

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Speaker 3: I think that can help. So better communication and better pieces,

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Speaker 3: Elie daily Cruz. So obviously the goal is to go

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Speaker 3: out and win the NL Central. That would then obviously

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Speaker 3: come down from the manager himself, Terry Francona. I believe Austin.

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Speaker 3: That was our guy, Joe Danaman. This is Terry Francona's

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Speaker 3: message to the team getting spring training underway.

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Speaker 9: You know, the message, the way we feel about the

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Speaker 9: game never changes. I think sometimes the messaging does, just

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Speaker 9: depending on where you think the ball club is or

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Speaker 9: the aid you know, and and and the message is

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Speaker 9: kind of like, hey, let's go, like we tasted it

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Speaker 9: last year, let's go. And I think they understand. I mean,

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Speaker 9: they showed up really proud of the way they showed up,

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Speaker 9: and we just try to try to always be honest.

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Speaker 9: I try not to make anything up and just tell

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Speaker 9: them how I feel.

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Speaker 3: This young core that everybody's been talking about for so long. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the Ellys and the Plans, the Hunters. Do you still

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Speaker 3: look at them as young or have they been in

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Speaker 3: the league now long enough? It's time for them to

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Speaker 3: win both.

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Speaker 9: We are still younger than some of the teams we're

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Speaker 9: competing against in some areas, but it's time. Guy's got

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Speaker 9: two three years under their belt. Now we can do this.

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Speaker 9: They know they belong and it's not it's not just

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Speaker 9: to survive, but to thrive. That's the idea, not to survive,

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Speaker 9: but to thrive. It's their time now.

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Speaker 3: I like that. Look, they're still younger than a lot

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Speaker 3: of teams, but they they have a couple of years

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Speaker 3: of experience. I like messaging there from Terry Francona, and

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Speaker 3: I believe it's on par with what it should be

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Speaker 3: for this team. Very simply put, Uh, it's time for

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Speaker 3: these guys to get going.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: We'll expand more on that in just a few minutes

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Speaker 3: with Joe Danoman. For now, we've got a couple of

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Speaker 3: minutes here, let's take uh, let's try to squeeze in

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Speaker 3: two phone calls here. What's up John, Good afternoon fellows.

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Speaker 3: How are you good? How are you?

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Speaker 5: We're hanging in there, finally awake from the super Bowl

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Speaker 5: put me to sleep.

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Speaker 3: For about nine days. I get it. Let us news first.

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Speaker 3: That was terrible.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: First thing first, Tony, I know you were on the

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Speaker 5: rampage to get some bear cats onto the Bengals. But

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Speaker 5: you know, Austin Robertson's who old? And what about Nick

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Speaker 5: vann Exell? I think he's in his early fifties.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe probably he could probably still get He

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Speaker 3: could probably still get a bucket or two. I think so. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I agree, he'd do something. Yes, we all question.

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Speaker 5: I know that that Austin had mentioned that today is

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Speaker 5: Michael Jordan's birthday. It's also Jim Brown's birthday. It's interesting

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Speaker 5: that those two guys were born on the same day

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Speaker 5: many years apart. Made Jim Brown rest in peace. But

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Speaker 5: I really wanted to talk about the baseball situation.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: Can baseball screw up a free lunch or what I mean?

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Speaker 5: It was such a great season last year, maybe the

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Speaker 5: best World Series ever, and here we are looking at

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Speaker 5: another labor shutdown a year from now. The only thing

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Speaker 5: I think that can work is they're not going to

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Speaker 5: share the TV money because it's so different, you know, Dodgers, Yankee,

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Speaker 5: Red Sox compared to say reds.

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Speaker 3: Pirates and Marlins.

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Speaker 5: But what they could do, and they used to do this,

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Speaker 5: they would share some of the ticket sales. So if

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Speaker 5: you sold so many tickets, whatever amount of money and tickets,

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Speaker 5: the visiting team would get like twenty five percent. Because

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Speaker 5: if I'm a visiting team and I'm the Cincinnati Reds

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Speaker 5: and I going to play the Dodgers for three games

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Speaker 5: and they bring in fifteen million dollars in ticket sales

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Speaker 5: for those three games, I'm part of the program. I'm

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Speaker 5: part of the stage. You know, I'm gonna want some

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Speaker 5: of that money. So that may be the only way

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Speaker 5: to revenue share because the TV's off limits. I think

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Speaker 5: what they may have to do is try to share

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Speaker 5: the gate of seventy five to twenty five whatever it

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Speaker 5: may be, because that that could kind of eating things out.

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Speaker 3: So now you could have a floor.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he'll ever get to a ceiling, but

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Speaker 5: at least have a floor that the small market teams

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Speaker 5: can spend.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, I think that's a fair way to look

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Speaker 3: at it with with again, it doesn't bode well with

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Speaker 3: Tony Clark stepping down today. It doesn't bode well with

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Speaker 3: where they are in the timing of these negotiations and

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Speaker 3: how fast this approaching. It just feels to me like

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Speaker 3: there are so many hurdles that need to be cleared

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Speaker 3: that a stoppage I don't know how long is imminent

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Speaker 3: for baseball.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we know the players Union is not going to

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Speaker 5: back down at all, and enough owners are just in

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Speaker 5: a spot where they want some clarity here. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think we're gonna have a shutdown next year. But

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Speaker 5: enjoy this season, and it is too bad it's happening while

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Speaker 5: the game is making a great comeback. Fellas, there's always

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Speaker 5: a pleasure talking later.

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Speaker 3: On that sounds good. Have a great day. We uh.

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Speaker 3: I'm I think Baseball Austin they're trying to make the

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Speaker 3: game better in many areas. Like I don't fault them

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Speaker 3: for lack of effort. They're trying. They're working in different rules,

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Speaker 3: they're working in different initiatives. I get that, but it's

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Speaker 3: it does feel like the game was trending down a

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Speaker 3: couple of years ago, and I do feel like there

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Speaker 3: is more interest in the game now than there has been,

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Speaker 3: And it just feels like that could be for not

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Speaker 3: because you're staring down at this work stoppage which is

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Speaker 3: going to completely halt all momentum for the sport of baseball,

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Speaker 3: and rightfully so, you're going to have many other sports

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Speaker 3: waiting to capitalize on those fans, looking to take their

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00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: talents elsewhere and to take their viewing elsewhere. So do

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Speaker 3: you feel that do you feel like baseball as a

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Speaker 3: whole is and I'm not saying by leaps and bounds,

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Speaker 3: but do you feel like there's more interest in it

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Speaker 3: than maybe just a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like they've made a lot of progress.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know that their television ratings have been up.

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Speaker 4: I know that the pitch clock was a big part

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Speaker 4: of that. I think the national discourse around baseball has

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Speaker 4: been kind of at the top more than it has

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Speaker 4: been in the past. And I think that's because of

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Speaker 4: some waiting interest in college sports and the NIO era

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Speaker 4: and and a little bit of basketball. But yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think it's it's up there. I think it's it's interesting

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Speaker 4: to a lot of people in a lot of different markets.

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Speaker 4: And part of it is the criticism of owners, and

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Speaker 4: part of it is the idea of of somebody's got

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Speaker 4: to stop the Dodgers, somebody's got to stop the Mets.

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Speaker 4: Look at all this money that's being spent. That's part

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Speaker 4: of the conversation. It's not the biggest part of the conversation.

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Speaker 4: But I do think baseball's popularity is swinging back in

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Speaker 4: the right direction. And it feels like they've done this

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Speaker 4: several times over the years. Every time it starts to

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Speaker 4: get popular, there's a lock out, and I feel like

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Speaker 4: that's where.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the other teams, ye yah, everyone's gonna wait and

816
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Speaker 3: try to make this their moment to swoop in. It's

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Speaker 3: just it's terrible timing for a sport that is is

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Speaker 3: trying to get itself back.

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Speaker 4: Baseball has always gotten in its own way, over and

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00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 4: over and over again. Over the course of time, they've

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Speaker 4: gotten in their own way.

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Speaker 3: Yep, without a doubt, we stand not to get on

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Speaker 3: our own way here, So we'll get out of the

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Speaker 3: way to welcome in enough time to get to break

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Speaker 3: and then Joe Daniman standing by to join us from

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Speaker 3: a goodyear. Red's Spring Training edition of Joe Danoman happens

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Speaker 3: next on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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