1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:02,239 Speaker 1: Michael. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 2: These teachers taking the day off because they. 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Say, oh it's it's we need a day off because 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: there are enough people that to take care of the schools. 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: Hey guess what, go do your damn job. You need 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: someone to fire their asses like Braggan did with the 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: air traffic controllers back in the day. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: Heymen, yeah, yeah, Before I get to I'm gonna talk 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: about Don Lemon for just a moment. Before I get 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: to that, though, there's a text in from Pennsylvania. I 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: want to share it with you. Goodman Arber seventy three 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: fifty one. Chris Hand just suggested a compromise about this 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: impending weekend government shutdown. Past the Save Act, but agree 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: to defund ice some DHS. That way you save the 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: midterm election and after the fact you can bring back 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: the funding. Now, before you come to a snap judgment 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: or a knee jerk reaction, just think about it for 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: five minutes in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. Jay, you didn't take me. 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: I'll come to a snap judgment. I like the idea. 20 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: The only concern I have is the defunding ICE and DHS. 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: If you want to defund ice for a bit or 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: one of the things that's being discussed, is you know, 23 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: some some changes to the rules of how they're there, 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: their rules of engagement. I don't have a problem with that. 25 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: If you want to change the rules of engagement in 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: such a way that would would still protect them, still 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: allow them to do their job, but perhaps change the 28 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: well the rules of engagement, then go for that, because 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: getting the Save Act passed would be amazing and would 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: go a long ways to saving the midterm elections. By 31 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 1: the way, the Save Act in essence provide or would 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: require a I D. Proof of citizenship in order to 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: register to vote. And there are a few other things 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: in it too, like per know requirements of states, purge 35 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: the voter rolls every X number of years. It's actually 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: a good act. It passed the House. It's being held 37 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: up despite the the the two faced two mouths John 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: Thune Is he says that you know it's they're ready 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: to consider it. But apparently he can't get the Republican 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: caucus together and he can't get enough votes to get 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: over the sixty vote limit to to crush or to 42 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: stop the Philippa, to invote closure, stop the filibuster, which 43 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to eliminate the filibuster. But there ought 44 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: to be some way like take it back to what 45 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: it was really meant instead of just being able to 46 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: go walk down to the clerk's desk in the well 47 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: of the Senate and say, uh, here's my They don't 48 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: use blue slips for this. They'll use a pink slip 49 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: for it, I guess, and say I'm filibustering, you know, 50 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: Senate Resolution five. Instead, make them actually filibuster, make them 51 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: actually stand and continue to debate and not allow a 52 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: vote by debating, and let's see how long you last. 53 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: This way of doing it is once again performative politics. 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: It's all theater. Well, I'm gonna filibuster this bill. Oh really, 55 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna stand up and talk for forty eight hours 56 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: to prevent a vote, and then you're gonna have somebody 57 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: else do that, and you're gonna keep doing that. Okay, 58 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: go do that. You don't have the stamina to do 59 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: it because you're all such old farts that you know, 60 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: you're the ones that need to depends. You're the ones 61 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: that got a whiz all the time, so you know 62 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: you can't even stand up and do that. Oh, this 63 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: is what happens when you spend almost six of your 64 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: years of your life at that level. You see how 65 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: these people really are. Don't get me wrong, there are 66 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: some people in DC that I have the highest respect for, 67 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: but I need a day or two to come up 68 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: with that list. The rest of them, they can all 69 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: bite my ass because they're just there. They're so self centered. 70 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: You know, well, they're just a bunch of self centered 71 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: I can't say it. Let's go to Don Lemon for 72 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: a minute. I'm shocked by this. Here's the factual background. 73 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: So January eighteenth, if you recall, there was a group 74 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,679 Speaker 1: of somewhere, I don't know, thirty forty demonstrators. They entered 75 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: the city's church in Saint Paul. This wasn't even in Minneapolis. 76 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: I know that the twin cities, and I've been in 77 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: both of them. They enter that church during a Sunday 78 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: morning worship service. The so called the Putity protesters, we're 79 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: demonstrating against ice operations in Minneapolis. So the church became 80 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: a target because one of the this is so important. 81 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: The church became a target because one of the pastors, 82 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: David Easterwood, serves as the acting director of the local 83 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: Ice Field Office, the city's church is affiliated with the 84 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: Southern Baptist Convention, and it's common practice in the Southern 85 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: Baptist Convention for pastors to hold secular employment. This is 86 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: not unusual. Their protesters walked in. Now, many people, and 87 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: I'll get to this in a minute, many people make 88 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: a big deal of Well, the congregants continued to pray 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: and sing. Of course they did, because they're Christians and 90 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: they're going to do that regardless of what y'all who 91 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: is trying to interrupt their service. They're going to con 92 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: In fact, their prayers probably immediately went to pray for 93 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: the protesters and for there's sanity. The protesters into the 94 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: church start chanting, ice out justice, urbin a good the 95 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: thirty seven year old woman in Minneapolis. It was killed 96 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: back on January. So the demonstration disrupted the service. It 97 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: caused some of the congregants and the families to leave. 98 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: As I said, others decided to stay and pray and 99 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: try to sing and try and try to continue their 100 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: worship service. Gon Lemon, formerly of CNN and now an 101 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: independent journalist, he was present. He live streamed the event 102 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: on his YouTube channel. Now in the in the video, 103 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: let's back up before he entered the church. You'll recall 104 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: that I played for you the audio of where he 105 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: asked the organizer, what are we we the pronoun we 106 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: what are we getting ready to do? And she described, 107 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: We're going to go in here and we're gonna you know, 108 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna protest and we're gonna chant. Uh. The one 109 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: of the pastors is an ICE agent. In fact, he's 110 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: the acting field office director, so we're gonna do all 111 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: this disruption blah blah blah blah. It was very clear 112 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: that Don Lemon, either with the either intentionally or unintentionally, 113 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: with the use of the pronoun, we knew that he 114 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: was going to go in. Also, and regardless of whether 115 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: he knew he was going to go in or not, 116 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: he had fore knowledge of what they were going to do. 117 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: So he followed them in. So he participated with them. 118 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: And then when he started getting criticism for it, when 119 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: he put the video up on his YouTube channel, he said, quote, 120 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm just here photographing. I'm not part of the group. 121 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm a journalist. You know what that is. That's cya, 122 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: that's cover your ass language right there. My lawyer mind 123 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: as well written that for him. He interviewed both protesters 124 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: and church officials, including the pastor who asked him to 125 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: leave unless he was there to worship. Now, at that point, 126 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: if you don't leave, or you don't start praying or 127 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: saying he or whatever, you are trespassing. And Leomen responded 128 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: by simply asserting that this is what the First Amendment 129 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: is about about the freedom to protest. Don Lemon, You're 130 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: a dumbass. That is not what the First Amendment is about. 131 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: And actually what those people in that church were doing 132 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: was exercising their the free exercise provision of the First Amendment. 133 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: Did you have the right to the free exercise of 134 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: your religion without interference by anybody, including you, Don Lemon? 135 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: So maybe you ought to go to law school, or 136 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: if you went to Walmart or Sam's get your law degree, 137 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: you might want to turn that back in now the Department. 138 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: Here's what happened procedurally. The Department of Justice initially arrest warrants, 139 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: but they did it through criminal complaints for eight individuals, 140 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: including Don Lemon. A federal magistrate judge, and remember I 141 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: described to you yesterday what a magistrate judge is reviewed 142 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: the complaints, but he found probable cause for only three 143 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:23,119 Speaker 1: out of eight defendants Chantoul Louisa Allen, Nakima, Levy Armstrong, 144 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: and William Kelly. The magistrate declined to sign arrest warrants 145 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: for five other people, including Don Lemon, citing insufficient probable cause. Now, additionally, 146 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: for the three that were actually arrested, Mikiel struck the 147 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: Faith Act charge eight Title eighteen, section two forty eight 148 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: from their warrants, writing no probable cause in the margin 149 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: and allowing only the conspiracy charge under Title eighteen, section two, 150 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: four to one to proceed. So that tells me the 151 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: judge really did look at each of these individually. Now, 152 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: the US Attorney Daniel Rosen personally called the court demanding 153 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: that Miko's decision be reviewed by a federal district court judge. 154 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: So the matter gets assigned to Chief Judge Patrick Schlippz Schiltz, 155 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: who described the request as unprecedented and unheard of in 156 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: the district of Minnesota. Okay, So what your job is 157 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: to look at the law and apply the law, whether 158 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: it's ever occurred or a violation under these two statues 159 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: has ever occurred to Minnesota. You might think about that, 160 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: but it really shouldn't go into your consideration. Your consideration 161 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: should be here are the elements of the crime. Is 162 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: there probable cause to believe that these eight individuals meet 163 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: the elements of those five of those five of those crimes? 164 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: And if so, then sign the warrant. The judge noted 165 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: that the technical procedure would be to either improve the 166 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: affidavit and then represent it to the magistrate judge or 167 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: not and or or go to a grand jury and 168 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: get an indictment from a grand jury. So the Department ade, 169 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: I just want you to understand this procedure, because this 170 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: is not just some fly by night, off the wall, 171 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction by the Department of Justice. So they followed, 172 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, they went to the magistrate. The magistrate said no, 173 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: they called asked for a review by a federal district judge. 174 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: The federal district judge looked at it and said, well, 175 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. This seems to be unprecedented. So 176 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: I think you ought to either redo, rewrite the complaints, 177 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: rewrite the warrants, or go to a grand jury. Now 178 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: in the letter to the Appellate Court, because the Department 179 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: of Justice asked the Court of Appeals for the Eighth 180 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: Circuit to compel the judge to sign the five arrest warrants. 181 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: A three judge appellate panel denied that request. On January 182 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: twenty four. One Judge Steves filed a concurring opinion stating 183 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: he believed that probable cause did exist, though he did 184 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: not explain why, and in his letter to the appellate Court, 185 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: the federal district judge the one that told the Apartment 186 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: of Justice, hey either go rewrite the warrant or go 187 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: to a grand jury. That judge wrote to the appellate 188 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: court quote, the reason why this never happens is likely 189 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: that if the government does not like the magistrate judge's decision, 190 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: it can either improve the affidavit, rewrite it and presented 191 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: it again to the same magistrate judge, or a can 192 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: present its case to a grand jury or seek an indictment. 193 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: He also wrote, the five people without arrest warrants are 194 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: accused of entering a church, and the worst behavior alleged 195 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: about any of them is yelling horrible things at the 196 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: members of the church. None committed any acts of violence. 197 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: The leader of the group have been arrested, and their 198 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: arrests have received widespread publicity. There is absolutely no emergency 199 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: by saying that they all entered yelling horrible things members 200 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: of the church. Isn't that a prima facia violation of 201 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: the Face Act, which says that you cannot disrupt. You 202 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: can't even stand outside an abortion clinic, can pray? Can't 203 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: even do that? That's disrupting. Well, if you enter into 204 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: the abortion clinic, or if you enter into the church, 205 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: you've clearly disrupted that. Particularly if you're shouting as the 206 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: judge yelled, it says they were yelling horrible things at 207 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: the members of the church. These judges are bending over 208 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: backwards to not put their butts on the line. They're 209 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: hiding behind their robes, and I find it despicable. Now, 210 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: there are multiple sources reporting that on January twenties, just 211 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: a few days ago, the Department of Justice withdrew its 212 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: request for the arrest awards against Lemon and the four 213 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: other people. But January thirtieth today now, actually yesterday, the 214 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: grand jury was un paneled yesterday January twenty nine today 215 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: this morning, they returned the indictments. So federal agents arrested 216 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: Leomen in Los Angeles because he was out in Los 217 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: Angeles covering the Grammy Awards, and they arrested three others, 218 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: George Fort, an independent journalist and the vice president of 219 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: the Minneapolis chapter of the National Association of Black Journalists, 220 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: Traheen Jean Cruz, co founder of Black Lives Matter Minnesota, 221 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: and Jamel Lydell Lundy, small business owner and the Democrat 222 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: Canada for the Minnesota Senate. Now, according to sources that 223 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: I've read, Lemon faces two federal charges. They're pretty significant. 224 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: One conspiracy against rights. Now, if you recall, if you're 225 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: study listening to this program, you already know what conspiracy 226 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: against rights Title eighteen, section two four to one is. 227 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: That's the Reconstruction era statute, originally part of the Enforcement 228 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: Act of eighteen seventy called the ku Klux Klan Act, 229 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: which says, in part, if two or more persons conspire 230 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: to injure a press, threaten, or intimidate any person in 231 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: any state, territory, commonwealth, possession, or district in the free 232 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: exercise or enjoyment of any writer or privilege secured to 233 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: that person by the Constitution or the laws of the 234 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: United States, they shall be fined under this title or 235 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. So if 236 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: any of you. If two or more of you conspire 237 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: to injure, ap press, threaten, or intimidate me anywhere in 238 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: the country in the free exercise of any writer or 239 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: privilege that I have under the Constitution, you violated federal law. 240 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: The elements are pretty simple. Two or more people conspiring 241 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: to injure a pro oppress, threaten, or intimidate. And you 242 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: have to do that to any person, and they have 243 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,359 Speaker 1: to It has to be done in the free exercise 244 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: or enjoyment of one of their constitutionally protected rights. And 245 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: there has to be wilfulness to deprive the person of 246 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: that right. So the right allegedly violated here is I 247 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: is clearly the First Amendment right to free exercise of religion. 248 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: And that is a charge that is a felony punishable 249 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: by up to ten years imprisonment and fines. And I 250 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: think it's about damn time we start using this to 251 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: stop these just willing, nellly violations of our constitutional rights 252 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: by all these NGOs, by all these groups that are 253 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: out there. Oh, I'm just a protester. No you're not. 254 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: You're violating my rights now. The freedom of access to 255 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: clinic entrance is the Faith Act eighteen section two four eight. 256 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: I know it's commonly associated with abortion clinic protests, but 257 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: it explicitly protects both reproductive health facilities and places of worship. 258 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: Here's what it says, whoever, by force or threat of force, 259 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates, or interferes with, 260 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: or attempts to injure, intimidate, or interfere with, any person 261 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right 262 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: of religious freedom at a place of religious worship. The 263 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: elements are clear, force, a threat of physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates, 264 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: or interferes with, or tries to interfere with, and any 265 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment 266 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship. 267 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: Till Matt they met the elements of this. These judges 268 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: just didn't want to apply this Act even though the 269 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: Act was passed because of abortion protests. But it clearly 270 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: and the legislative intent was clear to include a place 271 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: of religious worship a church. So there's clearly a violation 272 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: here of the Face Act. By the way, you're you 273 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: cancel win that thousand dollars to help pay for everybody's 274 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: salary is coming up in the next five minutes thanks 275 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: to Mercedes Bens of Littleton Mercedes off Lyttleton dot com. 276 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: Michael, what are these urinals? Are you talking about? The 277 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: stand up backup toilets? Hum? 278 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: Stand up backup toilets? 279 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: Sure? I mean I'm trying to pay is. 280 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: He talking about Is he referencing like a Middle Eastern toilet? 281 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: No, I think he's referring to a urinal here. 282 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: He just you know, God, no, stop stop stop stop 283 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: slap stop stop. 284 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 2: No, I can't confirm though the other urinal is now fixed. 285 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: So what you're really confirming is even though I told 286 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: you that the journal was fixed, you didn't believe me, correct, 287 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: and you had to go find out for yourself. 288 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: Correct. 289 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: So no matter what I say, you don't believe anything 290 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: I say. You just ignore everything I say because are 291 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: we married? 292 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 2: Trust but verify? Oh yeah, but the little baby urinal 293 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: that still has a leak in it though, So that's good. 294 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: As long as we have something to bitch about, that's 295 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: all I care true, that's all I care about, as 296 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: long as we got something to complain about. So Don 297 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: Lemon's been arrested, indicted, and arrested. And I'm telling you, 298 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: I do believe that he has violated the Faith Act. 299 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: And I base that on the fact that was he 300 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: acting as a journalist or was he a part of 301 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: the protest? Because before he goes in now he'll claim, 302 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: I'll tell you in a minute while he's going to claim, 303 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: because I want you to understand the defense, because this 304 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: is at least I want to make it interesting for 305 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: you too, because this is going to do this, This 306 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: is going to set precedent for a lot of things 307 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: in the future. Now, when you have a correspondent, a journalist, 308 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: I don't care what the networks are, the cables, but 309 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, one of the newspapers and they're covering an event. 310 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: They know to stay if they want to get as 311 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: close as they can. But they don't want to put 312 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: themselves in harms way, and they certainly don't want to 313 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: cross that line from being an active journalist to be 314 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: in a participant in that event, because now they are 315 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: participating in an unlawful activity. So where do you draw 316 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: that line? Where do you draw the line between the 317 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: journalists privilege, the First Amendment, you know, the right to 318 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: the freedom of the press. So if they're covering, for example, 319 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: the protests in downtown Denver, wherever the hell they are 320 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: taking place. By the way, somebody sent me a text 321 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: line that said they forget where it was. I have 322 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: to go back and look. But somewhere in this area, 323 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: in the metro area, some of these kids are out 324 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: blocking streets while they protest. Dumbasses. What are you doing? 325 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: Uh? 326 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: Parents, you might want to teach your kids a little 327 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: bit about the First Amendment that yes, you gonna if 328 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: you want to go protest and you want to waste 329 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: your child's a day of education, well okay you can. 330 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: You can certainly teach them a lesson about the First Amendment. 331 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: And the lesson is, your First Amendment does not protect 332 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: you from blocking traffic in the street. Get yourself run over. 333 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm stupid, stupid. Back back to don Women. So Limon 334 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: is going to claim that, Hey, I've been a journalist 335 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: for thirty years. I live stream the event and I 336 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: interview participants on all sides, and every time I did, 337 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: I identify myself as a journalist. Now, the reason he's 338 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: going to argue that is because the course recognized a 339 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: very significant First Amendment of protection for journalists that are 340 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: covering newsworthy events, even when those events involve unlawful conduct 341 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: by other people. So the question becomes, did he cross 342 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: that line, the invisible line at some point from a 343 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: journalist to a participant. I think you can make an 344 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: argument that he crossed that line when he knew about 345 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: the illegal activity, where the illegal activity was going to 346 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: take place, and rather than you know, I know this 347 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: is let me emphasize that this is going to be 348 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: a very fact based trial if it ever goes trial, 349 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 1: because I would argu you, for example, in his defense, 350 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: I would actually argue in Don Lemon's defense, even if 351 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: you knew what was going to take place inside the 352 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: church was going to be a violation of their First 353 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: Amendment rights, and that's a violation of the Ku Klux 354 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: Klan Act. Oh, by the way, you're a black man, 355 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: you really want to know about the ku Klux Klan Act. 356 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: Then when you walked into that church, did you stay 357 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: back against the back wall, did you stay out of 358 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: the way, did you walk among the pews? Did you 359 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: in any way like follow the protesters as they were 360 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: disrupting other people? Because if you stayed at the back 361 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: of the church and you just filmed or took notes 362 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: from the back of the church. I think I can 363 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: make an argument to a jury that you were being 364 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: a journalist, you were exercising your First Amendment rights, and 365 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: you personally were not doing anything to disrupt that church 366 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: worship service. However, if I'm a prosecutor and you did 367 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: used to for example, the Black Lives Matter woman, the 368 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: one that he was interviewing before he went in, where 369 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: he asked, what we are going to do when we 370 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: go in, if he followed her around as she walked 371 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: through the pews, or she walked up to the front 372 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: of the church and she grabbed a microphone and he 373 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: walks up with her, and he's following her around everywhere, 374 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: I would I could. I think I can make an 375 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: argument to a jury that he became an active participant. 376 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: He was actually not. Maybe he didn't yell, but he 377 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: was certainly involved in the obstruction of the church's worship 378 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: service because he was walking among the congregants, he was 379 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: interfering with whatever they were doing. That's going to be 380 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: a fact for a jury to decide whether or not 381 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: a twelve member jury thinks that's a violation of the law. 382 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 1: If I'm Don Lemon, I'm gonna argue this no prior restraint. 383 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: When you arrest a journalists for covering a protest, even 384 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: one that it does involve and lawful ton, you raise 385 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: serious prior restraint concerns because the government cannot chill journalistic 386 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: coverage of protests of protests by threatening arrest. Well, there 387 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: was no prior restraint here. He may have been cautioned, 388 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: but he wasn't prevented the fact that a magistrate judge 389 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: with significant federal experience like this magistrate was found no 390 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: probable cause and that the other chief district judge found 391 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: the procedural maneuvers unprecedented. Does that raise serious questions about 392 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: the strength of the charges. Some will argue that it does. 393 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: Some will argue that it does not. But under normal circumstances, 394 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: magistrate judges approve the vast majority of criminal complaints presented 395 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: by federal prosecutors because the probable cost standard is pretty low. 396 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: I don't know why DOJ see. DOJ has this habit 397 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: of I don't want to say they target individuals, but 398 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: although they may, but in this case, they really wanted 399 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: to get Don Lemon. They really wanted to get him 400 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: because I think he crossed the line prior to going 401 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: in the church. Well, what you should have done, you 402 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: should have rewritten you're arrest warrant so that they could 403 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: see the probable cause. And if you can't get it, well, 404 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: then go to a grand jury, because you know he 405 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: can get a grand jury to indice a ham Sandwich. Well, 406 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: while agreat you know, on the law, I think both 407 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: of these charges are legally cognizable. I think they are 408 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: reasonable charges. The statutes indeed prohibit the conduct that they allege, 409 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: and the Face Act in particular, explicitly protects religious worship 410 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: in section two forty one protects constitutional rights, including the 411 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: free exercise of your religion. So on the facts, the 412 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: government has established probable cause, I think. But they're going 413 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: to have an uphill battle. And you know why, because 414 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: politics is infecting the courts and a jury in Minneapolis, 415 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: whose side do you think they're gonna take? So there's 416 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: a lot of jury notification going on right before our 417 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: very eyes. Mike, do you suppose now that Don Lemon's 418 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: been arrested that there'll be a GoFundMe for Lemonade? I 419 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: can't decide whether I'm that clever or really lame. 420 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: I don't know both. It's fine, it's clever to be 421 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: both at the same time. It's clever enough to make 422 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: you want to laugh, but it's lame enough to make 423 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: you go. 424 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: Which actually makes it the best of both worlds. Yeah, 425 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: so I hardly salute you and I give you the 426 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: middle finger at the same time. How's that. 427 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure that's all any goober ever wants. 428 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: Oh, oh no, because we got some goobers that are 429 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: just no, it doesn't. I don't think it makes any 430 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: difference what I say about Trump or Ice or anything else, 431 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: or even or even give the legal defense that I 432 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: think Don Lemon might throw up against these charges. I'm 433 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: still just a you know, and just a second one 434 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: for Trump. So doesn't make any difference. Now, fifty eight 435 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: to eleven. This is why you'll never be on a jury. 436 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: If I'm on a jury, and I watch the video, 437 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: the Don lemonade video, in which the pastor is gently 438 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: trying to guide Leomen out of the private property church building, 439 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: and I hear Lemon say to the pastor, who has 440 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: authority over that private property, don't push me. I find 441 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: him guilty at that very moment. He has no legal 442 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: right to be there. The pastor has every legal right 443 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: to remove him by force if he sees fit. This 444 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: is what bothers me about the Department of Justice, because 445 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: now now maybe they will because we've only gotten the 446 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: in the arrest this morning, they can still charge him. 447 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: But what I don't find in the original charges is 448 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: a trespassing charge. Now there is, and again he'll raise 449 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: the he'll raise the journalist exception that I have ivor 450 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: right as a journalist under the First Amendment to cover this. 451 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: But at what point are you trespassing? Because you did 452 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: you you followed the protesters into a private into a 453 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: peace of private property, a church, and that church can 454 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: restrict people from there if you if you walk in 455 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: to any of the churches I've ever belonged to in 456 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: my life and you disrupt the church service, the elder 457 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: is the deacon, somebody in the church is going to 458 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: stand up and they're gonna come and get you. They're 459 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: going to escort you out and find out what your 460 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: problem is. And as we know from shootings in this state, 461 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: you might actually present a clear and present danger to 462 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: the congregants, so they have a right to have you removed. 463 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why they didn't charge him with trespassing, 464 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: but maybe because in the rush to try to get 465 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: something done, they got kind of slopping their work. This 466 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: is what kind of bothers me about the Department of Justice. 467 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: And I can excuse it at the same time that 468 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: I can criticize it. I excuse it because remember when 469 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: you got Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche and all these others. 470 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: That's just the very tip of the iceberg. They're relying 471 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: on hundreds, if not thousands of people who have been 472 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: in the DOJ, some of them for their entire lives. 473 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: They started there as interns, they graduated, and they finally 474 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: became an assistant to the assistant to the assistant to 475 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: the Assistant Attorney General. Or they're working in some US 476 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: attorney's office somewhere, and they disagree with everything that the 477 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney gen Or trying to accomplish. 478 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: So they're going to slow walk everything, or they're gonna 479 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: be sloppy in their work, or they're gonna tell, you know, 480 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna tell they're superior. I'm really busy, I got 481 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: I got, you know, this case load. And they look 482 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: at the caseload, and that legitimately is a huge caseload, 483 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: so they end up having to do the work themselves. 484 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: I found that all the time. I found that the 485 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: people I could actually get to do things inside the 486 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: federal government was a very limited number of people. And 487 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: don't shout at me, Well, then why unifire their asks 488 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: for not doing what you ask them to do? Because 489 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: now I'm spending even more time trying to terminate somebody, 490 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: which takes up a lot of time, a lot of energy, 491 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: a lot of resources. And as I've said, in my 492 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: six years, I fired one political point e which took 493 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: me no time to do it all. Actually, I take 494 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: that back too, I fired two political pointees. One because 495 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: of the secret I got it. I actually got called 496 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: the Secret Service headquarters. You don't think that's intimidating. Hey, 497 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: we got a problem with money your employees? What explain 498 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: that one to me? When they explained it to me, 499 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: I went back and fired his butt immediately. I'll tell 500 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: you the whole story. Sometimes. The other one was relatively 501 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: easy too, because he was doing the fraudulently returns at 502 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: a like at a Tosco or something, So it's pretty 503 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: easy to fire him also, But the two civil servants 504 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: took forever. I mean literally, it took me like years 505 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: to get them terminated. So sometimes it's easier to just 506 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: go park them and find somebody else to do your work, 507 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: or you get a political appointing to go do your work. 508 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that's a lot of what's going on, 509 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: because there's so much that's been built up over the years, 510 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: and there's so many of those in the Department of 511 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: Justice that don't agree with what Trump wants, which gets 512 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: two an entirely different topic which would take forever, but 513 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: that is we need to reform civil service.