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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

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Speaker 2: Do you know how hard is to say this is

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Speaker 2: one of the most bizarre stories we've ever seen in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: You know how hard that is in the city of ours.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to its Scott Sloan back on seven hundred W GOL,

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Speaker 2: the man beaten down twenty had beaten twenty eight times

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Speaker 2: last summer, who is also facing criminal charges, is supposed

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Speaker 2: to have his day in court today. That would be

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Speaker 2: Alex Tchravinsky, his trial charged with disorderly conduct after what

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Speaker 2: happened in July. Back on fourth and ALM. It's been

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Speaker 2: delayed and delayed and delayed again and after a last

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Speaker 2: minute continuance, but today allegedly is the day. Today is

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Speaker 2: the day he will be in court and on that

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Speaker 2: as attorney Steve Gooden on the show on seven hundred

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Speaker 2: WLW Steve, welcome, how are you look?

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Speaker 1: Good morning, fantastic?

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Speaker 3: This is gonna happen today.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like something is They're gonna go well,

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Speaker 2: we need more time, right because last time in this

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Speaker 2: really odd case, the prosecution's key witness face to appear.

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Speaker 2: He said he or she said, there's fear for safety

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Speaker 2: there after misinformation, Len and believe he'd be identified as

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Speaker 2: an FBI informant, and they got a continuance on that,

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Speaker 2: and I judge said, okay, this is the last one.

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Speaker 2: But how does misinformation the prosecution failed to manage become

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Speaker 2: grounds to delay a defendant who is ready for trial.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, look, this is probably the most litigated

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Speaker 4: misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge in American history, so nothing would

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Speaker 4: surprise me. But I do know you know this judge

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Speaker 4: a bit, and I think he's going to put his

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Speaker 4: foot down today and make.

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Speaker 1: The trial go forward.

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Speaker 4: Also, I would note it is a very rare instance

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Speaker 4: in which is going to be a jury trial for

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Speaker 4: misdemeanor disorderly conduct. It's kind of a rare instance where

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Speaker 4: that's even allowed. So I presumably the jury commissioner has

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Speaker 4: brought in perspective jurors, and I think that is typically

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Speaker 4: if the jurors are really ready to go, doesn't want

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Speaker 4: to inconvenience them. So I would bet that today is

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Speaker 4: finally the day for the most litigated, disportless kind.

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Speaker 1: Of strategy perhaps in the history of the Republic.

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Speaker 2: We've had a lot of We've had a lot of

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Speaker 2: bizarre cases come through Cincinnata. There's always some if something

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Speaker 2: bizarre is going on, there's always a tie to Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: and often we have crazy stuff happening here. But this

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Speaker 2: is uh, this has got to be at the top

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Speaker 2: of that list. All right, So final continuance. But do

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Speaker 2: we even know are they going to produce this this

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Speaker 2: mystery witness and what happens the case if they don't.

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Speaker 4: Well, if they don't, I mean, they presumably have other witnesses.

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Speaker 1: So I mean it's just really kind of a sad.

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Speaker 4: Commentary on the state of the city that, of course,

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Speaker 4: if you have a street brawl in Cincinnati, either may

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Speaker 4: be may or may not be an FBI. And for

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Speaker 4: him at just standing around in the crowd, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: think they concluded he was not, but but some thought

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Speaker 4: flexity to the whole thing. But presumably they have other witnesses.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what they've got to show here is kind

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Speaker 4: of weird. So disorderly conduct in this case is defined

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Speaker 4: and I quote by engaging in fighting or threatening harm,

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Speaker 4: by making unreasonable noises or using offensively coarse language or gestures.

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Speaker 4: And in order to get the more serious form of

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Speaker 4: it that actually carries jail time, I mean, typically it's

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Speaker 4: just a payout ticket. You have to show that there

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Speaker 1: You know, that way. So that's what they've got a show.

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Speaker 4: So they're going to need to put on quite a

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Speaker 4: authenticate and play this video. I guess there's video from

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Speaker 4: multiple different angles, security cameras, celf phoned stuff, social media,

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Speaker 4: And I guess he did give some statements to the police,

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Speaker 4: If I were his lawyer, I'd be going very heavily

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Speaker 4: into the decision to charge mister Travinsky because he is

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Speaker 4: So he is both a victim and now a very

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Speaker 4: only charged many, many many months later after there have

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Speaker 4: been press conferences and so forth, and prothlague game in

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Speaker 4: So there is some stink on the case from that

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Speaker 4: point of view as to whether or not he was capegoated.

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Speaker 4: So I think you've got a lot for this jury

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Speaker 4: probably got him paneled their dead at the courthouse, thinking

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Speaker 4: serious case involving a you know, a large lawsuit. This

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Speaker 4: be dissecting a street brawl from different different angles for

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Speaker 1: So God bless them.

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Speaker 2: There the two detectives who spent literally one hundreds of

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Speaker 2: hours on game, they wouldn't sign the charges against Alex Ttravinsky.

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Speaker 2: They were threatened, I guess with the motion, and the captain, who,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's I mean, I think it's pretty

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Speaker 4: obvious it's not the best case in the world. I

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Speaker 4: mean that being said, you know, it is a jury trial,

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Speaker 4: As we always say, it's not like, you know, jurors

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Speaker 4: you never know. And there is a question as to

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Speaker 4: how much the judge is going to let the attorneys

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Speaker 4: get into that kind of background about how it was charged,

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Speaker 1: Going to know.

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Speaker 4: Folks like you and I are pretty plugged into this.

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Speaker 4: The average citizen in Hamilton County may not recall that

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Speaker 4: they will actually know. But if they hear that, it's

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Speaker 4: going to really hurt the case. And surely they're going

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Speaker 4: to be allowed to know that he was assaulted, that

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Speaker 4: Now, if I'm Alex Jrminsky's lawyer, the biggest thing I

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Speaker 1: They were all out.

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Speaker 4: Drinking at two three in the morning in the middle

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, it's the language is both.

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Speaker 4: It seems very specific, but actually when you think about it,

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Speaker 4: it's very vague.

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Speaker 1: It's the kind of.

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Speaker 4: Thing that goes on in these worlds all the time.

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Speaker 4: The jury is going to have a changeful well.

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Speaker 2: I think also it shows you that the echo chamber

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Speaker 2: like the Nicholas Sandman thing from twenty nineteen where this

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Speaker 3: That he didn't walk up to him.

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Speaker 2: The Native American elder man walked up to him and

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Speaker 2: the aggressor. No one ever apologizes for these things. Same

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Speaker 2: thing here is that it looked like, initially from the

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Speaker 2: turns out he was assaulted twenty eight times prior, including Holly.

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Speaker 2: And the end result is, well, you know, we had

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Speaker 2: now forever. And I think that's part of it as well,

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Speaker 2: So all those things aside this charge here that ale

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Speaker 2: That's even backed up by the state. The state's on

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Speaker 2: timeline shows that how does that charge survive the self

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Speaker 1: Well, you know it likely won't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, my prediction is that the

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Speaker 4: most I think most people are going to go look

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Speaker 4: at this and think, look this, I didn't deserve to

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Speaker 4: I do predict that they'll find them not guilty. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, the the only issue that I think they're

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Speaker 4: often don't have the full context of what happened. But

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Speaker 4: there is this issue of what they're calling quote end

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Speaker 1: It does look as though that after he.

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Speaker 4: Was assaulted and walked away from the situation, that he

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty serious charge against officers of the City

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you're absolutely right. I'm going to try

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Speaker 1: Was political involvement in this decision to.

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Speaker 4: Charge him, which common sense seems to indicate had to

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Speaker 2: He is attorney Steve Gooden and a formal consulman. Thanks

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Speaker 2: trial is set for today. Get some popcorn, baby, Steve

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Speaker 2: all the best.

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Speaker 3: Thanks again, Take care shot. Thanks all right.

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Speaker 2: here on the show, we jump right in here. This

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Speaker 3: What we got going on today? Another crazy day?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: I think this is really interesting. Is you know we

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Speaker 2: So wait, eyeliner makes you thin. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: So I look at this and go, all right, are

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Speaker 2: You see that from time to ten it was you know,

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Speaker 2: you look at it and go, it's just something weird

436
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: about that. It's like you've got a six year old

437
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 2: that looks like she's forty two. It's just a creepy look.

438
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 2: But again, you know, whether it's that or other things

439
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: we debate in society, whether you think you're you know,

440
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 2: your son is a girl or your girl as a boy.

441
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: You know, it's up to the parent to navigate that.

442
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 2: And I think that's just equally just you know, it's

443
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 2: just creepy, isn't the whole makeup on a five year old?

444
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 2: But historically you could see where we are today. It's

445
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,479
Speaker 2: not like, oh my god, it's so different today than

446
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: it was when we were kids. Not really simply it's

447
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 2: just the newest thing. I mean, you go back to

448
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 2: what the nineteen twenties when you had flappers, and that

449
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 2: was literally the first big movement in America. There were many,

450
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 2: but the first big movement in modern era of feminization

451
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 2: and also women gaining autonomy and having saying how they

452
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: look and not know necessarily pretty much doing their own thing,

453
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: and so somewhat of a sexual revolution of nineteen twenty.

454
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 2: So you had flappers and the beauty is responts because

455
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: rouge and lipstick became like an identity. It was a

456
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: thing in the nineteen fifties. If you look at some

457
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 2: pictures of women in the nineteen fifties, like model types,

458
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: it's incredible how their waiste to hip to bust ratio

459
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 2: is insane, like Barbie, like the hourglass figure. In the

460
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: sixties and seventies, thinness was in, like the twiggy look,

461
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: and girls started counting calories and dieting at a very

462
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: very young age. In the eighties, the hair got much

463
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: bigger and supermodel set like an impossible genetic baseline, and

464
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: the two thousand surgery came along, and so changing your

465
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: face and your body was new and peterre like, I

466
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: don't think you know, God didn't make you that way

467
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: you need And now today it's like, wow, I'm just

468
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: going to go in for a little procedure here. And

469
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: then you factor in social media. In the twenty tenths

470
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: of this whole thing, and that just weaponizes all of it,

471
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: delivers that right to your phone, and that would influence

472
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: kids too, So you know millennials and now gen zers,

473
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: you know, the digital natives, if you will, it's really

474
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: nothing new to their offspring. So a nine year old

475
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 2: buying anti aging serum because the algorithm told her she

476
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: shouldn't be afraid of her own face it. You know,

477
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: it passes the sniff test right, it checks out. And

478
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 2: the direction is travel is it's always been geared towards

479
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: younger girls and higher standards, and Italy is just drawn

480
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: a line in the sand. I guess, go No, it's

481
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: got to stop because you can't sell beauty products anti

482
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: aging creams to an infant. Well from the minute you

483
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: come out where you have that new baby smell right

484
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 2: out of the showroom, if you will, we start aging

485
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: now we grow, yeah we do, but it's part of

486
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: the aging process. So you know, we recognize eating disorders

487
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: as a cultural problem, complex one at that, and it

488
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 2: took decades too. I don't know if we sorted that out,

489
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: but I guess you don't hear about anorexia as much anymore.

490
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 2: I'm sure it occurs, but we accept it, there's streaming

491
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 2: for it, and the diet industry prayed on what women's

492
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 2: in security and impossibly high standard, manufactured standard marketing that

493
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: no one could meet, and then sold a solution to it,

494
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: which is why you know we see every other commercial

495
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: on TV is for a diet product.

496
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 3: Why is that?

497
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: Because every other commercial is or something that's going to

498
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: make us fat? And so it just kind of evens

499
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: out right it's and this isn't like an ad on TV.

500
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: It's someone who looks like them and talks like them

501
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 2: and tell them they're pores are a problem at age

502
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: six or seven or eight or nine.

503
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: It's engineered peer pressure.

504
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: And you know there's some degree is it predatory, sure,

505
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: because you're paying a young influencer to influence other ten

506
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: year olds to buy a product that they don't need.

507
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

508
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: I think there's probably probably of fifteen, sixteen, eighteen, and

509
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: twenty year olds do the same thing. How there's probably

510
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: a lot of and there's certainly no shortage of fifty,

511
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: sixty and seventy year olds that subscribed to the same thing.

512
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: You know, we got to keep going and keep buying

513
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: the newest thing. I guess, so I guess the parents

514
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: should decide is a good Is it a good counter

515
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: argument here? Yeah, it's parents. We bear responsibility, we always do,

516
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: but we're inside that same warp culture. You know, if

517
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 2: mom normalizes her own face as content, I don't think

518
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: we're realizing that her daughter wants to do the same thing,

519
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: and you know they the market is going to go

520
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: after that, because hey, now we've got a new audience

521
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: of buyers and consumers of makeup and beauty products that

522
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: we didn't have before. It's like, you know, we're targeting

523
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 2: sixteen plus year old girls and now we can go

524
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: six to sixteen and other markets blowing up. So you know,

525
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: we spent one hundred years lower in that age which

526
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: girls are taught their natural appearances is inadequate. And Italy

527
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: just looked at a nine year old buying anti agent

528
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 2: agreement said enough of this. Again, it's Italy their dynamic

529
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: and their version of democers as much from our. But

530
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: I don't know, we're still debating it, like at some

531
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 2: point are there going to be procedures You may lab

532
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: with this, but I think in the future you're going

533
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: to be looking at some cosmetic procedures done at a child,

534
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: well not even a child, probably in utero, right while

535
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: the baby is still cooking inside. Mom, it's like, yeah,

536
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: we want to add dimples, and I'm sure there's going

537
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: to be a lawmakers go okay, this is a bridge

538
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: too far and debated. Then you know you'll have this

539
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: procedure where a surgeon can go in and create dimples

540
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 2: on your unborn child or I don't know, some sort

541
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: of alted DNA altering. I mean, it's going to happen

542
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: at some point if it's not already. But that is

543
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: the natural line we you know, and this is while

544
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: that's what you're talking about. Didn't happen when we were kids. Yeah,

545
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: but if you remember, and if you're older too, I

546
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: would have to think that your mom and dad or

547
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: were particularly strict on you when it came to like

548
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 2: ear piercing. Right now, today infants are getting the ears

549
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: pierce but it's kind a big deal back in the day,

550
00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: or tattoos or whatever. My wife as a couple butterfly

551
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: tattoos on her forearm tastefully done and it drives her

552
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: mom crazy. And I think you know that generation. I'm

553
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: talking baby boomers. I don't know if she's outraged by that.

554
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: That says, you know, you're destroying God gave you this

555
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: body and you're destroying it, to which iod counter is like, well,

556
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: you wear makeup and you have your ears pierced, and

557
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: you color your hair. How is that any do That's

558
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: entirely different. It's not permanent. The holes e rear are permanent. Well,

559
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: that's different. They're just earrings. Yeah, but earrings on a

560
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: woman were probably I don't know how long ago earrings

561
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: were a thing and when they first came out of

562
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: the scene. But I would have to say, well, how's

563
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: that much different? You're altering your body to put jewelry

564
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: in there, so there's an element of vanity there. Well

565
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: that was different, but well, of course it is, and

566
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: this is different today. And so God knows what kids

567
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 2: are going to do twenty years from now. I don't

568
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: know if I'll be around then or you'll be around then,

569
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 2: who knows, but it'll be something else at all. Just

570
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: it's another level of outrage, that's all. The kids aren't

571
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: just content to do what mom and dad did. They

572
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: want should take it one step further, as we did

573
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: when we were kids. And that's how this whole thing works.

574
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: You're supposed to offend the sensibilities to the generation before you.

575
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: But Italy, I think it's just myself personally as a parent, like,

576
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: holy crap, does a nine year old need makeup?

577
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 4: No?

578
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: Be a damn nine year old.

579
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: And if kids are getting makeup, not in many nine

580
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: year olds I know have a job other than micro

581
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: influencers or whatever the hell that means. But mom and

582
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: dad had to be complicit in this whole thing. You know,

583
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: there's always a kid at school who's way out ahead

584
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: of the others and what their parents or parent would

585
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: allow them to do, and you look at it, well

586
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: he's doing it had to be that way with cell phones. Yeah,

587
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: when twenty years ago when cell phones were still not

588
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: everyone has them, or probably thirty years ago when not

589
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: everyone had same thing at but a kid gets a

590
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: cell phone and not everyone wants to have a phone.

591
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: I remember that. My daughter going through this. Okay, well

592
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: it's that age you get him a phone, and what's

593
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: the right age for a phone? And well, her friends

594
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: have phones and that's how they stay in content. Not today,

595
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: it's just like, well, yeah, you get a phone when

596
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: you're old enough to go to school. Kindergarteners have phones

597
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: for crying out loud. I know it's crazy, but again,

598
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: it's because that line that keeps constantly shifting and evolving

599
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: to grow that market share. And that's what it's about.

600
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: All Right, we've got a time out and we've got

601
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: news on the way in about ten minutes here in

602
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: the Big one seven hundred ww or our buddy. It

603
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: must be lawyer day. We had good None at nine

604
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: o'clock talking about the Chervinsky trial, which is I don't

605
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: know what to make it.

606
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: Who knows where it's going to go.

607
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Jack Render's here with the meta verdict, and this ties

608
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: into what we're talking about here with makeup.

609
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: It's the same thing.

610
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: Medigetting sued because the algorithms are causing young people much concern,

611
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: causing suicide rates there. I don't want to say they're up,

612
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: but what's the role that meta and that would be

613
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: social media have in the mental health of your children?

614
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: I think this case fits right into that, So we'll

615
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: ask them about this. So, yeah, it's a lawyer day

616
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: today and the show I mentioned Gooden was here at

617
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: nine o'clock. Today is the day that Alex Chevinsky will

618
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: have his day in court. Finally, it is the longest

619
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: running court case I think in the city. It seemed

620
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: like it was a no one's paying attention to it,

621
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: and the city I think wanted it to go away.

622
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: They wanted to create it. And the same time, I'm like, well,

623
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: it's got to go to trials. Is it going to

624
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: make it look good now? The mayor also, by the way,

625
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: with all this stuff goings on vacation, so I don't

626
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: know if that's like he planned that on purposing. Okay,

627
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to misopening day, but this trial is supposed

628
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: to start. Maybe I want to be out of town

629
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: for this, Maybe I do, But I know he's going

630
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: to be back to help raise the transgender flag at

631
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: city Hall either today or tomorrow. I believe, Yeah, I

632
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: just I mean, you know, the cardboard mayor's like a

633
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: cardboard cutout of a mayor essentially, it's about that deep

634
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: like he's there for the photo ops, but the important

635
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: stuff like crime and a text.

636
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: I don't really want to.

637
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: Get involved in that, at least not not forward facing anyone.

638
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes, yes, but in other ways no, and

639
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: other ways no. We'll see what happens today. I'm talking

640
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: off air with Goodin. I mean, I don't think it's

641
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: going to be one of those a one day trial

642
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: kind of things. Maybe it will be, I don't know,

643
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: but it seems like the evidence they have is completely overwhelming.

644
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: For the prosecution in this case.

645
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: And even the prosecutor came out and said, here's the

646
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: timeline of this thing, and he was acting in self defense. Now,

647
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: the I think the part the wiggle room for those

648
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: people who wanted Chravinsky charge, not because he thought he

649
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Speaker 2: was a criminal necessarily, but essentially bit on social media

650
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Speaker 2: and saw the videos that came out that showed him

651
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Speaker 2: assaulting and using the N word to black men, to

652
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Speaker 2: a black man in particular. When it turns out that,

653
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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of epithets were thrown at him

654
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Speaker 2: and punctions as well prior to what happened. But it

655
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Speaker 2: just emphasizes we live in and you know, we live

656
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Speaker 2: in this crazy world that's absolutely so polarized right now.

657
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Speaker 2: You can't I don't know what we ever weren't, but

658
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, It's like, well, you know,

659
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Speaker 2: I would never use the N word at a black

660
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Speaker 2: You probably deserve to get your ass whoop. But at

661
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Speaker 2: the same time, when twenty eight blows are thrown in

662
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Speaker 2: a much much and equally horrible things are thrown at

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Speaker 2: him and his friends for no reason whatsoever. You know,

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Speaker 2: racism is not a one way street. We're we're conditioned

665
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Speaker 2: to understand that racism only occurs when it's whites who

666
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Speaker 2: are denigrating blacks, not the other way around. And when

667
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Speaker 2: that apple cards turned upside down, this is what you

668
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Speaker 2: get quick time out. As I said, news happens in

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Speaker 2: minutes here seven hundred W. WELLWT, you want to be

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Speaker 2: an American, it's flunny here on seven hundred WALLW.

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Speaker 3: We have two juries.

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Speaker 2: We have two massive lawses for Meta that's Mark Zuckerberg

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Speaker 2: Facebook at all. And now Congress says it's time to

674
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Speaker 2: treat big tech like big tobacco. He's a First Amendment attorney,

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Speaker 2: extraordinarrative FORCULA. Here in Cincinnati, it would be the living legend.

676
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Speaker 2: Jack Reiner on the show, maybe the second biggest Reds

677
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Speaker 2: fan behind Randy Freaking.

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Speaker 3: But that's debatable.

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Speaker 1: Jack.

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Speaker 2: How you been, Well, that'll be argued in court. Who's

681
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Speaker 2: the bigger Reds fan? Right there? Although you haven't written

682
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Speaker 2: a book yet, you have not written your own book,

683
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Speaker 2: have you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he still gets the nod.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, all right, let's jump in

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Speaker 3: on this.

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Speaker 2: And this is again one of those things that happened

688
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Speaker 2: on on Friday and made a little bit of news

689
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Speaker 2: over the weekend, lost in the cycle, but I think

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Speaker 2: it's important because really what we're looking at is is

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Speaker 2: the ability for companies like Meta to influence kids who

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Speaker 2: into young people. And we often talk about the algorithm

693
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Speaker 2: and the like. So a jury ordered Meta is out

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Speaker 2: in New Mexico to pay three hundred and seventy five million,

695
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Speaker 2: which is nothing for them, but for misleading users on

696
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Speaker 2: safety and failing to protect children. Now, a second phase

697
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Speaker 2: of this trial start early May, early next month that

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Speaker 2: could force design changes including age irrigation, encrypted messages, and

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Speaker 2: a court appointed child safety monitor, which seems, wow, how

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Speaker 2: the hell are you going to do this with a

701
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Speaker 2: company as big as as Meta is. So that's kind

702
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Speaker 2: of like the forty thousand foot view on this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: It's something called Section two thirty, which you here brought

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Speaker 2: up all the time. It's protected platforms for something like

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Speaker 2: thirty years. So walk us through exactly what that shield does.

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Speaker 2: What section two thirty is and what the Planet's attorneys

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Speaker 2: figured it out to get around it.

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Speaker 6: Section two thirty says that a internet service provider such

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Speaker 6: as Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, et cetera, it is not liable

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Speaker 6: for content did by third parties. That is different than

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Speaker 6: traditional law. Traditionally, newspapers have been liable for letters to

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Speaker 6: the editor. So if I write a letter to the

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Speaker 6: editor and I defame somebody, I can be held liable

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Speaker 6: for that, But so can the newspaper as the publisher.

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Speaker 1: So what.

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Speaker 6: Section two thirty says is that the internet service provider

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Speaker 6: will not be deemed to be the publisher of third

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Speaker 6: party content. That's the most simple way of putting it.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's an easy way to frame this whole thing,

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Speaker 2: And of course we'll see what happens in the second leg.

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Speaker 2: But the other part of this too is remember a

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Speaker 2: California Journey found them and YouTube negligent in that landmark

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Speaker 2: social media trial. Two thousand plus pending lawsuits me meaning damages.

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Speaker 2: I mean three seventy five for Facebook for Suckerberk is nothing,

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Speaker 2: but damages could multiply pretty dramatically, I would think coming

726
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Speaker 2: up in this thing too. So the legal theory here

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Speaker 2: treat social media like it's a defective product rather than

728
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Speaker 2: speech and using a first amendment turning all about that

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Speaker 2: is a is that a solid argument?

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Speaker 3: Does that hold up on appeal?

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Speaker 6: You know a lot of people have been comparing this

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Speaker 6: to the tobacco litigation, and in the idea that the

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Speaker 6: tobacco companies put out a product knowing that it was

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Speaker 6: addictive and even enhancing the addictive nature of the product

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Speaker 6: in some instances. In that respect, it's a decent analogy.

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Speaker 6: The difference though, here is that the social media companies

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Speaker 6: this isn't just because they're tech. I mean the tech

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Speaker 6: is social media and that is speech. And so that

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Speaker 6: the question is, isn't I think I know what this was?

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Speaker 6: This was asserted as a defense that both in New

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Speaker 6: Mexico and the California trust is that this is beat.

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Speaker 6: This is third party content that is posted not by Meta,

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Speaker 6: not by Facebook, not by Instagram, but by third parties,

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Speaker 6: and therefore it should be shielded by Section two thirty

745
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Speaker 6: of the Communications Decency Act. It's very intertwined. So what

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Speaker 6: the planeifs did? Let's talk about California, which resulted in

747
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Speaker 6: a total of six million dollars in damages, three million

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Speaker 6: in compensatory damages, and another three million impunitive damages. The

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Speaker 6: plane by the plaintiff was that it was the features,

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Speaker 6: the algorithm, the infinite scroll, the notifications, auto play, beauty filters,

751
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 6: all contributed to the obsess or compulsive use of the

752
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Speaker 6: product by this twenty year old woman known as in

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Speaker 6: the in the lawsuits kg M. And that that isn't

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Speaker 6: about speech, that's about product design. But it's it's a

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Speaker 6: it's trickier, I think, than the tobacco cases because it

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Speaker 6: does it does intertwine closely with speech, and it's it's

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Speaker 6: a little hard to separate those two. There's no First

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Speaker 6: Amendment right to smoke. There is a First Amendment right

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Speaker 6: to speak. So I think that while the tobacco cases

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Speaker 6: are a decent analogy, they're not a complete analogy. You now,

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Speaker 6: you mentioned Scott, who was interesting. So the New Mexico

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Speaker 6: case was actually brought by the Attorney General of New Mexico.

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Speaker 6: And in this case it wasn't so much damages, it

764
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Speaker 6: was a fine that the It was brought under the

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Speaker 6: New Mexico Computer Consumer Product Safety Statue, and that statue

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Speaker 6: provided for a five thousand dollars per violation fine, so

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Speaker 6: which in the New Mexico case totaled up to three

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Speaker 6: hundred and seventy five million. I can't divide three hundre.

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Speaker 3: Hundred five million, five thousand.

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Speaker 6: Ver quickly, but it's a big no, you know. So

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Speaker 6: there were a lot of violations. Now, I think what's

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Speaker 6: interesting and as you say, three seventy five, three hundred

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Speaker 6: and seventy five million is kind of jump change to Meta,

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Speaker 6: and certainly six millions they have in their couch coushions probably,

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Speaker 6: But what I might be more concerned if I'm Meta

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Speaker 6: about the California case, because as you say, there could

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Speaker 6: be thousands, tens of thousands of follow on cases brought

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Speaker 6: by other young people and they may point to the

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Speaker 6: California judgment as settling the legal issue about the about

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Speaker 6: Meta's liability. And it could be that in future cases

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Speaker 6: it's just going to be how much damages are involved.

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Speaker 6: And so that's six million dollars to quickly escalate to

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Speaker 6: a billion, I mean it's not it's not outside the

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Speaker 6: realm of loss ability.

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Speaker 2: A billion dollar, five billion dollars in penalty, that's that's

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Speaker 2: her sharing. He is attorney Jack Ryaner first Amendon attorney,

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Speaker 2: talking about the meta verdict, what this all means for

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Speaker 2: you and your kids especially. We do have some breaking news.

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Speaker 2: Let me interrupt for just a second here, Jack, I'll

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Speaker 2: put you on hold.

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Speaker 3: He is breaking news on news radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: Brian Combs jumps in this morning with boy, this is

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Speaker 2: a shocker.

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Speaker 7: The Hamil and Kelly court case against Alex Schervinsky, the

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Speaker 7: man charged after the violence that happened on four Straight

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Speaker 7: Downtown last July, has been dismissed.

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Speaker 3: Karen Johnson of WLWT in.

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Speaker 7: The courtroom this morning to trial with to start with

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Speaker 7: jury selection at ten, and she is reporting that the

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Speaker 7: case has been thrown out. Don't know if it's a

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Speaker 7: case that could be refiled at this point. We do

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Speaker 7: know from discussions with the attorney for Travinsky ahead of

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Speaker 7: this trial that he fully anticipated that this might happen.

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Speaker 7: Prosecution was having trouble getting some witnesses to cooperate since

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Speaker 7: they are facing charges as well, didn't want to tell

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Speaker 7: before their own trials happened. There were other problems with this,

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Speaker 7: including the two of the star witnesses for Travinsky. Our

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Speaker 7: police detectives who investigated this case and refused to bring charges,

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Speaker 7: charges that were then later brought by Adam Henny, the

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Speaker 7: interim police chief now who was the captain in charge

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Speaker 7: of the district at the time where this occurred. So

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Speaker 7: the state is sparing him or the city of sparing

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Speaker 7: him having to testify explain why he brought the charges

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Speaker 7: when his detectives did not want to. We know that

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Speaker 7: these charges were somewhat suspect from the beginning because they

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Speaker 7: came well after all of the other people who were

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Speaker 7: charged in the beatings with felonies were charged, and came

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Speaker 7: after some African American leaders in town demanded that someone

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Speaker 7: they said who didn't look like them be charged as well,

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Speaker 7: meaning someone who was white. And that was the charges

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Speaker 7: part against Stravinsky. There are six other defendants who are

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Speaker 7: facing felonies that could put them away for a long

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Speaker 7: time for beating Travinsky and for beating Holly, the woman

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Speaker 7: who was attacked. Their trials are all set for May,

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Speaker 7: and we believe that Stravinsky will now become a witness

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Speaker 7: in those cases.

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Speaker 3: He's a defendant now he's a witness.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And we'll be working with the prosecution though those

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Speaker 7: cases will be handled by the Hamilting County prosecutor instead

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Speaker 7: of Cincinnati prosecutors. So we don't have a whole lot

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Speaker 7: of details about what's behind this. Hopefully by ten thirty

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Speaker 7: maybe we'll have a few of the details revealed. The

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Speaker 7: judge this case did refuse to allow a live stream

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Speaker 7: of the proceedings, so that did not happen, so we

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Speaker 7: can't follow with that.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting, Yeah, is a judge dismissing it.

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Speaker 2: Did the prosecution just say, hey, we don't have witness

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Speaker 2: well dismissed.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately the judge had to throw out the charge.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, we don't know yet at this point if

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Speaker 7: it was the prosecution who said we can't proceed, or

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Speaker 7: maybe some of their witnesses didn't show up.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 7: We know a couple of them were confidential police informants

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Speaker 7: who were not very reliable and maybe did not appear

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Speaker 7: in the past, and they had to ask for continuances

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Speaker 7: and the judge said, clearly the last time, if you

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Speaker 7: asked for another continuance, it's not happened. We're moving forward,

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Speaker 7: or we're throwing it out.

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Speaker 2: Okay again, so just reset for somebody tuning in right now.

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Speaker 7: Brian Alex Dravinsky's a disorderly conduct trial is not going

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Speaker 7: to happen today over the brawl that happened in the

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Speaker 7: streets of Cincinnati last July. The charges against him have

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Speaker 7: been dismissed, waiting to find out if this they could

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Speaker 7: be filed later, or if they could be altered or changed,

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Speaker 7: or if he's truly off the hook. He was ready

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Speaker 7: to fight this and claim self defense, and his attorney

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Speaker 7: has made it very clear that once the criminal charges

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Speaker 7: against him are resolved and that he will be going

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Speaker 7: against the city for civil damage. My goodness, a lot

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Speaker 7: to unpack your Brian Combs, thanks again, well, I appreciate it, buddy,

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Speaker 7: Brian Colembs. The seven hundred newsroom, which by the way,

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Speaker 7: is not the news. We just came in the studio here,

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Speaker 7: i'd say, bringing behind the scenes here the satellite news center.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to pivot for a second, guy, Jack Reiner.

866
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 7: He's the First Amendment attorney, and we're talking about the

867
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Speaker 7: meta verdict and what all that means. But I got

868
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Speaker 7: to pivot a little bit here, Jack, if you allow

869
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 7: me that discretion. As an attorney, generally speaking here, I

870
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 7: don't think this is surprising, but as far as the

871
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 7: outright dismissal of the case, do you think that's that

872
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 7: the behest to prosecutors as the judge saying this is

873
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 7: frivolous and stupid, get out of my courtroom.

874
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 3: What do you make of this?

875
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 6: I think it sounds like it was more a case

876
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 6: of just maybe the prosecution just couldn't get the witnesses

877
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 6: they needed, because I think if the judge was going

878
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 6: to dismiss the case for lack of merit, that would

879
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 6: have happened sooner. I think I would like to correct

880
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 6: something that Brian said. The judge had istree in order

881
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 6: for prohibiting live streaming, but we actually took that to

882
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 6: the first District Court of Appeals and got him to

883
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 6: allow live streaming.

884
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: So okay, so there would have been live streaming had

885
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: this actually gone. This all was dismissed before jury selection,

886
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: so there's nothing to say.

887
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 6: Right and I, yeah, this this prop I don't know,

888
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 6: but this may very well have taken place in Judge

889
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 6: Johnson's chambers, the decision to dismiss.

890
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: And that sort of thing.

891
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 6: But I think, like I said, I think if it

892
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 6: was a question of that the case black legal merit,

893
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 6: that would have happened soon or so this this may

894
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 6: very well be just the prosecution saying you're on, I'm sorry,

895
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 6: we couldn't get the necessary witnesses.

896
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: It was a tough case to begin with, and I

897
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: think that there was a One of the.

898
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 6: Issues was whether they could bring assault charges, and the

899
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 6: issue was that they did have mister Stravinsky on on

900
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 6: video slapping somebody. But assault requires the threat of serious

901
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 6: bodily injury, and the slap really didn't.

902
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 5: It couldn't.

903
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 6: They couldn't make the case. So I think it's my

904
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 6: recollections he was trying to disorder's content.

905
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just under the conduct.

906
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: But I I was just curious on that note too,

907
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: because the beatings that he received were far worse than

908
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: the open handed slap, And I guess technically that does

909
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: not rise the lovely assault. But doesn't that further give

910
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: credence that this was these charges were bought for political

911
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: pressure as opposed to actual criminal pressure.

912
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 6: It really I think it's going to depend on what

913
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 6: the judge. I don't know if the judge is going

914
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 6: to issue anything a written opinion on it, so it

915
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 6: sort of depends. But it was a yeah, there was

916
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 6: there was politics involved, I think for sure.

917
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that and that opens up a civil lawsuit.

918
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: I would think if Travinsky had the charges dismissed and

919
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: that just broke here on seven hundred WW that the

920
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: charges against els to the trial is supposed to start today,

921
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: they're not even a jury selection yet, and the charges

922
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: were dismissed. We'll find out the details as that starts

923
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: coming out of Hamiltot Court. But in that regard, I

924
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: look at this and go, all right, well, it's dismissed,

925
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: and that would then set up some sort of civil climate,

926
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: imagine from Travinsky in that if they didn't have enough

927
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: to bring this these charges, I don't make it to

928
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: make it to trial, I don't select a jury for

929
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: crying out loud. That give credence to the fact that

930
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: you said that suggested some sort of political will power

931
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: as opposed to legal ones. That opens the city and

932
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 2: maybe even the mayor up to a civil rights violation lawsuit,

933
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: doesn't it.

934
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, it potentially does, which would likely be heard in

935
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 6: federal court. So that is you know, that takes it

936
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 6: out of the local elected political sphere that you judges

937
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 6: are appointed for. Like several judges, they don't have to

938
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 6: stand for re election. So yep, that takes it into

939
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 6: a whole different direction. But we'll see, we'll see what

940
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 6: happens interesting here.

941
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an interesting case for sure. But it

942
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: seems like Jack, we we always have interesting cases in Cincinnati.

943
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: There's no shortage of legal drama here in Cincinnati, or

944
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: just nonsense that rises the level of national news. We're

945
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: really good at that here in Cincinnati, O Hio, aren't we?

946
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: Maybe that should be this look right, crazy crazy story

947
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: and you can do like one a year basically because

948
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: it's it's a gift that keeps on giving. Listen, I

949
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: know you came to talk about meta, but things do

950
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: happen in the breaking news. Rom I appreciate you pivoting

951
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: with me. Jack Rynder, first Amendment attorney for Rookie Law.

952
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: Thanks again, buddy, appreciate the insight, No problem, Take care

953
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 2: there you go. Well, yeah, meta isn't there?

954
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: This?

955
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: This is more, This is sexier. I'm want to continue

956
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: talking about that with you at five and three, seven four, nine,

957
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: seven thousand.

958
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: Now what do you think happened?

959
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: Now?

960
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: It's going to get damn interesting here too, and what

961
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: does it say about our legal system because often in

962
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: this case, people like aftat pureval Democrats scream about the

963
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: bias in the court system, how the courts are biased,

964
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: and we need to fix that. We need to bond

965
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: and bell reform, we need to do own recognizance and

966
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: things like that. We had to be gentler to criminals

967
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: because they are victims too. We've tried that now for

968
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: the last number of years. It doesn't seem to be

969
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: working in Cincinnati with some of the crime rates, not

970
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: all of them, but some of the crime rates risings,

971
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: particularly the violent ones, particularly the group of assaults and

972
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: the like. We saw street takeovers and everything else downtown,

973
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: and we saw what happening in the opening day most recently.

974
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 2: God knows what the summer is going to bring when

975
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: the weather actually starts to cooperate with us here. But

976
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: relative to this discussion and what we just heard, the

977
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 2: news that broke about Travinsky's charges being dismissed, and what

978
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: that sets up legally speaking, the same people that scream

979
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: about a biased judicial system. I don't know about you,

980
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: but from my vantage point, it seems like those people

981
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: are complaining are the ones also guilty of it. We'll

982
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: get into that right after a news update where we're

983
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: sat and foind out the very latest from downtown next

984
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW, Scott's Flowing Show on seven hundred WWT.

985
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: Always pivoting, always pivoting, because we got breaking news minutes ago.

986
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: You're here first yere on seven hundred WLW. And that

987
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: was the case against Alek Trevinsky, the man charged with

988
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: disorderly conduct in the July assault at Fourth and Elm,

989
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: the trial that's been delayed and delayed and delayed again

990
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: after a last minute continuance. Today was supposedly the day

991
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: and before jury selection even began, the judge dis missed

992
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: the case. And now we're hearing it was the beause

993
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: of the prosecution that again the prosecution's key witness that

994
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: failed to appeer, citing fear for his safety after information

995
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: let him believe the people believed to identified as an

996
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: FBI informant, which they say is not true. But nonetheless

997
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: that witness failed to appear, and therefore the prosecution's case

998
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 2: fell apart. And so I think it's probably a case

999
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: of and pleating the fifth and saying, well, if I

1000
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: testify for the prosecution against als Stravinsky, I am now

1001
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 2: implicated in what I saw, and now I'm implicating myself here,

1002
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: So I think that's what's going on in this really

1003
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 2: weird case. But nonetheless, the case completely and utterly dismissed

1004
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: against al Stravinsky, which brings up a whole host of

1005
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: other questions relative to Summer Slam Cincinnati twenty five. When

1006
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: you look at what just transpired here, it really is

1007
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot to unpack. I know at this point

1008
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: because it was hell nine months ago that this crime occurred,

1009
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 2: or crimes occurred anyway, and initially at first blush, of course,

1010
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: it was Alice Stravinsky as the assailant dropping the end bomb,

1011
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: which even if you're the victim of a crime, I

1012
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: don't recommend doing because it can make the beating even worse.

1013
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: You shouldn't use the word. But nonetheless that's what transpired.

1014
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: Of course, this was led prior to this, we saw

1015
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: Holly get smacked down, and we still don't know what

1016
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: she had anything to do with. It's is a woman

1017
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: standing there and gets sucker puncher behind, as the case

1018
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: may be with these street brawls. Nonetheless, the case of

1019
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: Ali Stravinsky is here's a guy who was hit at

1020
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: least twenty eight times or he and others around him,

1021
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: And this all started at the club found the music festival,

1022
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: and they're in the VIP area at a club and

1023
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: a lot of African American clientele there, and a number

1024
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: of them were I guess maybe a few of them anyway,

1025
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 2: were hurling racial epithets and wondering what they were doing

1026
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: at the Cincinnati Music festl last time I checked. Whether

1027
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: it's a black musician, a white musician, or any musician

1028
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 2: for that matter, music is certainly appreciated by most people.

1029
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: I would say, I'm a fan of some of the

1030
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: acts that played there as well. But it makes one think, like, well,

1031
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: if I'm a white guy going to what's quote unquote

1032
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: a black show, is that going to be a problem

1033
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: for me?

1034
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 3: What it was for Aleis Stravinsky. Why that is, we

1035
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 3: don't know.

1036
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: But it was all started by an individual with some

1037
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: serious mental incompetencies going on. But that's not an excuse.

1038
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: It's not an excuse that he was egged on despite

1039
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: the fact that maybe had some learning difficulties or wasn't

1040
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: all put together. Nonetheless, it happened, That's what occurred. But

1041
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: we just doubled down to the stupidity. And now what

1042
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: winds up happening is this opens up a civil suit.

1043
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 2: I would think on the part of Shavinskian's attorneys to say, look,

1044
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: it's pretty clear now that they didn't have a case

1045
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: put together. Was I prosecuted because I've out of the law,

1046
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: or was i prosecuted as a victim because well, I'm

1047
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: white and white people are always the aggressor when it

1048
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: comes to racially motivated crimes. Well, it's pretty clear that's

1049
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: not true, and we know that's not true, but that

1050
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: is the mantra I think, and we'll get into that

1051
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: in just a second. But it was kipt Guiding the prosecutor.

1052
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: Assistant prosecutor for the county said his office had been

1053
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: working on this was back last year. They were doing

1054
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: a compilation of videos to turn over to the defense attorneys,

1055
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: and they established a clear timeline of what happened. They

1056
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 2: took the citizen video too, off the interwebs, but also

1057
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: there were at least two non public cameras that were

1058
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: capturing a timeline a little bit better, and so they're

1059
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 2: able to piece this all together. And they discovered, of course,

1060
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 2: after the flop about hey you got to prosecute the

1061
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: white guy because it's racism if you don't that the

1062
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: slap that Alex Stravinsky threw wasn't the beginning of the fight.

1063
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: And now prior to that N bomb being dropped in

1064
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: Schevinsky's slapping, which is a misdemeanor, not a felm me

1065
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: by the way, the state says Jermaine Matthews was the

1066
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: main instigator of the man I was talking about, and

1067
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: he had been harassing the best victims and he was

1068
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: egged on by others in the crowd. He was saying,

1069
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: you're at the wrong corner at the wrong party, and quote,

1070
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: they were going to make sure they got off that corner,

1071
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: and some were struck and beaten prior to the N

1072
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: word coming out in the slab coming out said a

1073
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: lot of it was ww east dug and sucker punch

1074
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: him behind, and Travinsky looked like a pretty good big guy,

1075
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: had enough of it and went and slapped this gentleman.

1076
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: Now Clyde Bennett, the defense attorney I had on the

1077
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: show and probably had them not again as standing by

1078
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: the initial narrative that was started by the white guys,

1079
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: and his quote was a blind man conceited and never been.

1080
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: The city knows if you remove racing roof politics, this

1081
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: is a fistfight and a brawl that was fueled by

1082
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: alcohol consumption and that was initiated by some of the

1083
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: alleged victims. That's a quote of end. Well it turns

1084
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: out and the case being dismissed and all. I guess

1085
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: we will never know the fact pattern here, but it's

1086
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: pretty clear that the uh, the behavior was dominantly and

1087
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: predominantly black folks in the crowd, and not all of them,

1088
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: because we saw a number of folks say, man, this

1089
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: is stupid. Cut this noise out. It's like anything you

1090
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: get a group of people together, there's knuckleheads of all colors.

1091
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: But I guess that's my point is now this whole

1092
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 2: thing is set up, and this may wind up costing

1093
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: you even more money if you live in the city

1094
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. In that if this becomes a civil case,

1095
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: and the two detectives who refuse to testify basically for

1096
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: the prosecution of this game, they wind up getting called

1097
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 2: to the stand and they will they'll they'll be uh,

1098
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: they'll testify for the defense saying listen, there was nothing

1099
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: there to justify charges being filed against Alex Stravinsky. That's

1100
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: kind of a smoking gun. You've got two detectives that

1101
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: are willing to state that and go, yeah, we didn't.

1102
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 2: We had no reason to charge this guy because he

1103
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 2: was a victim. But they made us anyway. And who's

1104
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 2: the day? How high does it go? That's the allegation

1105
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: will be made if this and it should go to

1106
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: a civil rights claim. This would be a civil case.

1107
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 2: But I don't even know the civil rights violation here.

1108
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: How much money is not going to cost you the

1109
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: taxpayer to settle this and what is it all predicated on. Look,

1110
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 2: I'm a realist. I understand that there are a lot

1111
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: of white people who are racist, but I would also

1112
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: have to realize that a lot of Asian black and

1113
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: male female gays, a lot of people have issues as well.

1114
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 2: So to think that racism in this country is one side,

1115
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: I think that's the fallacy that this whole mess is

1116
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: standing upon. The narrative that black folks can't be racist

1117
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: is not true. It's not like whites don't have a

1118
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: shortage of racism. The Klan, we've got flyers, we've got

1119
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: Lincoln Heights, we got the you know, the guy burning

1120
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: the Pride flag, anti gay. I get all that, and

1121
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: it's sickening because you should be junched on what you

1122
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: do and not who you are. But nonetheless that has

1123
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: always been and always will be a component of our society.

1124
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,959
Speaker 2: I know there's people out there going, wow, it's fine,

1125
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: let it go. You know, we should always try to

1126
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: get better from one day to the next, self improvement

1127
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: and such. But they have others believing there's a utopia

1128
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: out there and if everyone can just get along and

1129
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 2: there's no wars and no fighting, and it turns into

1130
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: a John Lennon song.

1131
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 3: That's not reality either.

1132
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: But the problem here is that the progressive narrative from

1133
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: aftab on down that blacks being the victim of whites

1134
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: are a daily occurrence, and you stick up for people

1135
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 2: who are committing crimes, no matter how vicious.

1136
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: That the optics of this is.

1137
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: Terrible and it's been terrible, and it's not it's going

1138
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 2: to wind up maybe costing somebody some money, some serious

1139
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: money here, that only one side is the oppressor and

1140
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: the idea here. And we saw this with Iris Roli,

1141
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: We saw this with the Advanced Peace Movement from Jan

1142
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: Michelleman Kearney and others that believe that all criminals somehow

1143
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: are victims themselves, and what does that let us. It's

1144
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: led us to a very bloody winter, if not spring,

1145
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: and possibly summer. At this point, the mayor wouldn't e

1146
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: of acknowledge the murder of Patrick Harringer, which really started

1147
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: this whole thing a year ago. The assault on Holly

1148
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 2: has just been gone by the wayside, the idea that

1149
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 2: right now. In City Council yesterday, as a matter of fact,

1150
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: they asked Chief Interim Chief Adam Henny what the department

1151
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: would look like if they took a five percent haircut.

1152
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: He said, well, if we had to cut five percent

1153
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: of our budget roughly eleven million dollars, we would have

1154
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: to get rid of officers, what loss cops, laws enforcement?

1155
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: You know, I had Damon Lynch on the show, and

1156
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: one of the most vocal black leaders in the community.

1157
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: For sure, he saw it one way, and that is

1158
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: the black folks are the victim here. Well, I shouldn't

1159
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: say that to be fair to the Damon Lynch. It

1160
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: would be more along the lines like, well, you know,

1161
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: we realize that there's some people involved in this, but

1162
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: you have to charge everyone the same. I mean, if

1163
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: we're the other way around there, there'd be outrage if

1164
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: it was a bunch of white folks beating up a

1165
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: black guy, and we probably meet the front line going

1166
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: that's wrong, you shouldn't do that. But in this case, like, well,

1167
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: let's say there's a nuance here. It's like, I guess

1168
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: what black folks can be racist? I think we should

1169
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: kind of admit that not just a white thing, it's

1170
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: an everyone thing. Yeah, we were the rest of the

1171
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: community who wants to hear okay, the community what you know,

1172
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 2: you kind of lost credibility there. But we're just gonna

1173
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 2: double down and say no, no, no, no, this guy

1174
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: should have been charged and this is gonna be a

1175
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: miscarriage of justice and goes to show you how broken

1176
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: the system is, and so everyone will wind up leaning

1177
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: into that. It's just, uh, it's just predictably insane, is

1178
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: what it is.

1179
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 3: Unfortunately.

1180
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: And so we'll get more details coming out. Of course,

1181
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: if you're just joining the show. What about half hour

1182
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: ago here on the show, Brian Combs broke in and

1183
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 2: I think it was our buddy Karen Johnson over at

1184
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: Wody OLDWUT who actually was in courtroom and broke the

1185
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: story that the charge against al Travinsky have been dismissed.

1186
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 2: We don't know, I guess we do now that the

1187
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: prosecutor said, look, our witness is not going to show,

1188
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: so we have no choice but to ask for dismissal

1189
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: of this case because our key witness here doesn't want

1190
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: to testify because they are also charged. In What winds

1191
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: up happening is you have a right to not incriminate

1192
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: yourself under the Fifth Amendment. And I've guess that's sugguessing

1193
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 2: in my limited legal knowledge here that that's what occurred

1194
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: in this courtroom. And so well, I guess we'll never

1195
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: know what the conclusion is, but you almost be certain

1196
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: that a civil suit is going to be filed on

1197
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 2: behalf of Al Stravinsky because he's been jammed up now

1198
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: for the better part of a year in this whole thing.

1199
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: And the story that just continues. And by the way,

1200
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna point this out. So the two detectives that

1201
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: would testify for the defense Alec Stravinsky and say, yeah,

1202
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: there was nothing here to charge this guy, and I

1203
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: was going to sign it, and Adam Henny did. The

1204
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: same guy who is now the interim chief on the

1205
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: same day, by the way, that the contract with Frost

1206
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: Brown Todd expires. The city has investigating why they fired

1207
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: Terry Thiji in October, and here we are now almost

1208
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: into April. Tomorrow's April, and we're still investigating why we

1209
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: fired her back six months ago. Doesn't make any sense

1210
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: to me, but maybe downtown it does. So now, what

1211
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: happens if Henny signs this If Henny signs this thing

1212
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: and he did, and they go, well, we've got the

1213
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: charges dismissed because this is political pressure. What happens to him?

1214
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: Could it very well be that they decide, well, we

1215
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: didn't fight anything on on Thiegi, they will too, because

1216
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: the attorneys came out and pretty much said that already

1217
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: to take the take it out of play and maybe

1218
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: tamp down expectations there, but why not bring Fiji back

1219
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: van and Henny is signing arrest words that were motivated politically.

1220
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: The whole thing stinks, is what it does. And the

1221
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: bigger question, the bigger thing is I think we deserve

1222
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: better than this. Is Cincinnati is now. I don't live

1223
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: in the city per se for obvious reasons, and maybe

1224
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: you do, But I like to frequent downtown. I like

1225
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: to think it's fairly safe. I know in times you

1226
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: have big groups down there, there's gonna be problems, but

1227
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: the problems seem to be increasing, not decreasing. And now

1228
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: we've got a racial opponent this whole thing that could

1229
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: make it worse because now you're going to have the

1230
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: leaders of quote unquote leaders screaming about the process, how

1231
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: this guy can walk away and that the system is

1232
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: broken and it's racist when it's clearly not. And the

1233
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: other element then, too, is that that then fuel more

1234
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: animosity towards folks when they go downtown. This is not

1235
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 2: a good look for the city of Cincinnati, and there's

1236
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: a lot of repercussions that are going to be felt.

1237
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm guessing Willie's going to pick us up today at

1238
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: twelve oh six here on seven hundred ww's we continue

1239
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: on the Scotsland Show at five, three, seven, four, nine, seven,

1240
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: eight hund the Big one hit talk back on the

1241
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app So we'll continue to follow the developments here

1242
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: from the dismissal of the Alex Travinsky case and what

1243
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: all this means, because it's like an octopus, it's like

1244
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: a bunch of OCTOPI I guess tentacles in all directions,

1245
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 2: the repercussions could be felt, and probably many things I

1246
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: even considered are part of this mix. Now that this

1247
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 2: case has been dismissed, not with prejudice, but just rather

1248
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: dismissed because the witnesses aren't shown up because they're locked

1249
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: up themselves. You got a guy who is a victim

1250
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: but also a defendant, and now we witness Alex Kravinsky.

1251
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 2: It's a full time job just being Alex Dravinsky. I

1252
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: guess now you did throw I will say, you throw

1253
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: the end bomb out, You're gonna get punched in the head.

1254
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 3: I've made that clear to be able to disagree with me.

1255
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: It's like you drap the end bomb and somebody hears

1256
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: that they're gonna knock you the bleep up as well

1257
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 2: you should and I get it. I understand there's a

1258
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: double standard there. It can be used, and I always

1259
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 2: contend when it comes to the N word. Myself is like, well,

1260
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: I got a problem with the N word being used

1261
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 2: in the conton depending on the context of the used

1262
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: because in the course of a hip hop song, it's fine,

1263
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: but if a white guy sitting along with a hip

1264
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 2: hop song like I like to.

1265
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 3: That's a problem. I don't think it should be, but

1266
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 3: it's a problem.

1267
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: The other element of this, too is Okay, well, we

1268
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: could talk about the use of the N word in

1269
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: the light, but racial epithets were hurled at white people,

1270
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: and I guess we want to look the other way

1271
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 2: on that. Look, if we're gonna stamp out racism, and

1272
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: God knows, in this town where we have the Freedom

1273
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 2: Center and we have marches and we have doctor Martin

1274
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: Luther King's statues and everything else and about quality and

1275
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: opportunity and all these wonderful concepts, then you got to

1276
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: be as outrage if not more outraged about what transpired

1277
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: with this case than you would with most others. But again,

1278
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: asking for people, or maybe not you, but others, to

1279
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: be consistent in this is not going to happen. There's

1280
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: no consistency anymore. We've completely lost that. We get a

1281
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 2: time out and we got news. In a minutes, we'll

1282
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: recap this entire story. Alex Tchravinsky's case being dismissed by

1283
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 2: Judge Johnson at the behest of the prosecution because I

1284
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: guess the witness one of the witnesses said, I'm not

1285
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: showing up. I'm not going to do this because I'm

1286
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Speaker 2: going to incriminate myself. What a story on seven hundred

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Speaker 2: wlwod since nonat do want.

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Speaker 1: To be an American?

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Speaker 6: Foods?

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Speaker 2: Going back on seven hundred w olw rolling through it

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Speaker 2: today and Democrats a fear ice. We saw the no

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Speaker 2: Kings protests over the weekend. I was celebrating little Kings myself,

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Speaker 2: but not part of the No King's protests.

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Speaker 3: Fear Ice.

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Speaker 2: It's the three letters that should instill concern in every American.

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Speaker 2: But you know there's three other letters I think we

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Speaker 2: should fear more and on that is Holly Adams. Holly

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Speaker 2: is a candidate for Ohio wan So running against Greg Landsman,

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Speaker 2: and she's out of Hamilton. Also a fellow Falcon from

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Speaker 2: the Bolden Green State University. Holly Adams, Holly, welcome, are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm good, Scott, Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 8: On your show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you bet, thanks for taking time out. So Democrats

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01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: say they want to abolish ice because it's dangerous, it's abusive,

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01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: and make the case what does a community without ice

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01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: actually look like?

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Speaker 5: That's interesting. You know, everybody that follows Greg Landsman and

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01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 5: knows that we need to replace him here in the district.

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Speaker 5: So he describes ICE as a non law abiding agency,

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Speaker 5: which is exactly the opposite of.

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Speaker 8: What they are.

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Speaker 5: And we need them to remove these criminals from our

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01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 5: streets and the people want that, and it's you know,

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01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 5: it's hard to accomplish and what we kind of know why,

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01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 5: but the Democrat Party and people like Greg Lansman want

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01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 5: to procast the criminals on the street and be fond ICE.

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Speaker 5: So we really need to support, you know, all of

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Speaker 5: our law law enforcement to make our city safe. We

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 5: have a safety problem here already in Cincinnati and Hamilton County,

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Speaker 5: and you know, ICE is just and another resource that

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Speaker 5: can help us make our city favor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the problem, of course, you know, it's politics,

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01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: and so it's it's one side v. The other, and

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01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 2: so there's there's no gray area. But I think the

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01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: gray aer for both sides. You know, if you're a Democrat,

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01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: I don't understand you know that some of these number

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01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: of these people who are being picked up are active, there's

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01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: active warrants on them. I mean, why are you out

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01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: there defending someone who might very well be a I

1330
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 2: don't know, rapist or a murderer or you know what

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01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 2: I mean, if you committed a serious crime.

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Speaker 3: Uh, that's why ice needs to exist.

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01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: The other side, of course, is you know, when I

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01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: see people who are caught up in home depot or

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01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: they're I don't know, some kid who was brought here,

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01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 2: who is now now in his early thirties or twenties,

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: who's brought here as a child, and we're sweeping them

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01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: up too. We have cases here as you know in Cincinnati.

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01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 2: As an American that's troubling. Why why can't we get

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01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: this right? It doesn't seem that hard.

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01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's different. I mean, we are a country

1342
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 5: of laws. Some people want them to be enforced. We

1343
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 5: know that if we break the laws, we're going to

1344
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 5: go to jail, or if we broke the immigration law,

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01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 5: we be deported as well. So, you know, Americans just

1346
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 5: expect you know, our government. One of the key reasons

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01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 5: that government is to protect the people. And our money

1348
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 5: is going everywhere else but protecting the people. You know,

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01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 5: even you see Great Landsman has been you know, vigorous

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01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 5: as far as taking money away from the local law

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01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 5: enforcement for other pet projects. So we we just need

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01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 5: to make sure that we're you know, and what I

1353
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 5: hope to do when I get to Congress is that

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 5: a budget and put the tax dollars that are collected

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01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 5: towards what is good and just and helped all American families,

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01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 5: including the baty on our streets.

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Speaker 2: That's also part of the problem too, that you know, great,

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01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 2: you're runing against Greg Landsman, and where's he specifically stood

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01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 2: on on you mentioned stood where on ice? But there's

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01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: a huge contrast here. I also look at it and go,

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01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 2: all right, well, there are people who are getting jammed

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01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: up who have been here for years illegally, yeah, certainly,

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01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 2: but have contributed to society owned businesses, started families, have

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Speaker 2: never been in trouble whatsoever. Is there a way? Is

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01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: there is there a password for them in this whole thing,

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01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 2: because I feel like that's the one being squeezed out.

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Speaker 2: I think our sense of fair play as Americans says, okay,

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01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: you came here illegally, but how have you conducted yourself

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01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 2: ever since?

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Speaker 3: Is that a Is that a non qualifier for you?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that that should be considered as something

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01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 5: that you know, again, they they jumped ahead of people

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01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 5: that are you know, inline following our legal immigration process,

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01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 5: but certain they should be at the top of the

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01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 5: list to stay in the country with proven you know,

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01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 5: assimilation and being part of this part of our country

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01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 5: and part of our communities and giving back to the communities.

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01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 5: That those are the type of immigrants grids that we

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01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 5: want in our country. So they you know, it's there

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01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,839
Speaker 5: should be a VA team process and that those people.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, I don't think they should

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Speaker 5: get their citizenship and put be put ahead as people

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01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 5: that are legally in the process. And I think there

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01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 5: is room for both. I just think each case needs

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01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 5: to be considered, you know, carefully. But what's very clear

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01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 5: is that people that are here illegally, that haven't assimilated,

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Speaker 5: that are multiple defenders of product need to go. So yeah,

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01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 5: so actually hear that. I you know, we're a very

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01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 5: compassionate society. You know, we want to take care of people,

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01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 5: and we want people to be treated with respect. And

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Speaker 5: I appreciate those those immigrants that have come to our

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Speaker 5: country and worked hard and become part of what makes

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Speaker 5: our cities great.

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Speaker 3: Holly Adams on that.

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Speaker 2: You know, the way I kind of think of it

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Speaker 2: is all right, you came here across the border illegally

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01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: in search of something you couldn't get where you're from,

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01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 2: or to escape poverty and violence and everything else, have

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01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: a chance at building a life. That to me is

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Speaker 2: the American dream. You know, if we turn a blind

1401
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 2: eye towards immigration policies under Obama and under Biden, I'd

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01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 2: have to say we also did the same under George

1403
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 2: Bush and Ronald Reagan. And so if that's the case,

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01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 2: if that's the government going, we don't really care. I

1405
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 2: don't know how much of this is at the feet

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: of the immigrants now in twenty twenty six, when it

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01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 2: wasn't a big deal ten, fifteen, twenty thirty years ago.

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01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean for decade. You know, other presidents

1409
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 5: have in Congress have pushed the can down the road

1410
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 5: to the point that, you know, we've got a big

1411
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 5: problem to deal with, especially after the four years and

1412
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 5: Joe Biden and the open border or so, it does

1413
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 5: need to be addressed. And like I said, you know,

1414
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 5: I'm willing, you know, as a taxpayer to fund the resources,

1415
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 5: whether it be ice or you know, uh uh betteam

1416
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 5: of these other citizens that are here and been living

1417
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 5: here for a long time and our law citizens of

1418
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 5: our communities to see how they could have a past

1419
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 5: the citizenship while staying here. I think that is a

1420
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 5: totally fair thing to do. What I don't know, Scott,

1421
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 5: and maybe you do, but it's worth looking up statistics.

1422
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 5: I don't know what the uh the ratio of those

1423
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 5: people is, but I do believe that, you know, we

1424
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 5: need to get those people a chance again. I just

1425
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 5: want to respect that. You know, we are a nation

1426
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 5: of laws and we just haven't enforced followed them for

1427
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 5: so long. We have to get back to the four

1428
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 5: component that you know. We have laws, we follow them,

1429
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 5: and we want everybody that's in our country to be

1430
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 5: following them.

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01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: The only stat I guess I have is I know

1432
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: that immigrants tend to be more a law abiding than

1433
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 2: than natural born citizens here. But I want to move

1434
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 2: on because I think it is really good. Someone who's

1435
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 2: a more libertarian I think myself, is that the cry is, hey,

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 2: we're worried about the wrong three letters. It shouldn't be

1437
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 2: the ice that we fear. It should be the irs.

1438
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: Abolish the irs, which I absolutely love. Break that down.

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01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 2: So what's your plan for eliminating the irs? Holly Adams

1440
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 2: and how do you and what replaces it for that matter.

1441
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 5: Well, I mean the fact is, and you know, the

1442
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 5: country America existed for one hundred and fifty years without

1443
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 5: income past and at our roads, in our hospitals, in

1444
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 5: our schools, and how we paid for those were through

1445
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 5: revenue of Paris and taxes on goods and services. So

1446
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 5: we have all of those same news streams right now,

1447
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 5: but we're additionally taking money out of the pockets and

1448
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 5: the bank accounts of hard working American citizens. And it's

1449
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 5: really we've overburdened them with taxation in this country. The

1450
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 5: advocate of eliminating the federal income packs, you know, I

1451
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 5: think a lot of because I do feel like I've

1452
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 5: always enjoyed math. I love a good spreadsheet. I feel

1453
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 5: that if we go back and we look at the

1454
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 5: Constitution and we see the enumerated responsibilities of Congress and

1455
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 5: where Congress is supposed to be spending money, where our

1456
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 5: government is supposed to be spending money, we are over

1457
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 5: spending to the level that once we cross off that

1458
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 5: over spending, that we can pay for everything with tarifs,

1459
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 5: taxes on goods and services that we're already paying. And

1460
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:37,560
Speaker 5: you know, the average The median income in Cincinnati is

1461
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 5: about fifty three thousand dollars, So the income pack would

1462
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 5: put fifty six hundred dollars back in their pockets each year.

1463
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 5: That's fifty six thousand over ten years. That's a lot

1464
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 5: of money for a family that is struggling to you know,

1465
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 5: pay their energy bills.

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01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 3: Well sure, sure, yeah, Holly.

1467
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 2: I know you want to go to Congress and represents

1468
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 2: at the federal level, but you know, the limited government element,

1469
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: it's tough for me as in you you live in Hamilton,

1470
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 2: is an Ohioan. I look at what's happening in the

1471
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: state House right now. I don't believe we have limited

1472
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: government in the de Wine administration. The latest example of that,

1473
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: and I can cite many. The most latest one, of course,

1474
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 2: is this banning of THC infused beverages. That was a

1475
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 2: huge boon to the beer industry, and there's fighting this

1476
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: in court. But simply because Mike de Wine doesn't think

1477
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 2: people should be drinking THHC, that doesn't seem limited government

1478
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 2: to me. If it's literally hundreds of thousands of people

1479
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 2: enjoy this in millions across America enjoy this beverage responsibly,

1480
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 2: why would it be up to the governor. Simply they'll

1481
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: take his pen and veto all this and go no,

1482
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 2: I don't like it, therefore.

1483
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 3: You shouldn't have it. That's exact opposite of limited.

1484
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 5: Government, absolutely, and I don't agree with that, Scott. I mean,

1485
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 5: I feel that we need to get rid of both

1486
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 5: government overreach in every aspect of our life. And you know,

1487
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 5: we need we need to go back to what our

1488
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 5: founding fathers intended.

1489
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 8: You know, a country where you know, people you know,

1490
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,759
Speaker 8: go to work, they're personally responsible for themselves as their families,

1491
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 8: and the government stays you know, out of their health

1492
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 8: care and out of their pocketbooks and allows them to

1493
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:13,839
Speaker 8: live you know, freely.

1494
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 5: And again both parties, I think we have an epidemic

1495
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 5: of an epidemic of constitutional overreach, right and government overreach

1496
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 5: across our country. And again it's across both parties. But

1497
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 5: if you're looking at somebody to come in and be

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Speaker 5: a fisful responsibility both person you know, those people right

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Speaker 5: now are within the Republican Party and that's what I

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Speaker 5: want to do. But you know, to accomplish what we

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01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 5: need to in Congress, we need about three hundred and

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01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:50,919
Speaker 5: eighty more people that's dedicated to and again not shrinking

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01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 5: our government to what it's not supposed to be, but

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Speaker 5: right sizing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I could see. I could see it while

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Speaker 3: at the job.

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Speaker 2: Holly, it doesn't seem like from this from my perch,

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01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 2: you're kind actually does any much of anything.

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Speaker 3: It seems like a pretty easy job. I mean, show

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Speaker 3: it up.

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Speaker 2: You're shutting government down and essentially rule by executive order

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01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: seems to be the flavor of the day.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you know, you've mentioned the overspending, and you

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01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 5: mentioned being a libertarian, and you know we want, you know,

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01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 5: freedom from the government. We want a limited government. And

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Speaker 5: I'm a follower of the John Bird Society and I

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01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 5: love the Freedom Index they put out. Well, I recently

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01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 5: looked at their and again that evaluates, just for your

1519
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 5: listeners that might not know, they go a couple of

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01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 5: kids a year and they evaluate all the Congressmen and

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01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 5: senators on their last ten votes and how those votes

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01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 5: aligned with constitutional the Constitution was a constitution or not

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01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 5: and a four hundred and thirty five members of Congress,

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01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 5: only fifty five are getting a's or b getting eighty

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Speaker 5: percent or aligned with the constudents. That means like you

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Speaker 5: just said, people sit around doing nothing, not doing the

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Speaker 5: work that needs to be done to protect the American

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Speaker 5: people and make things affordable gainst you know what seventeen

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Speaker 5: what I say, seventeen percent eight thirteen percent, So that's

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Speaker 5: thirteen percent eighty seven of Congress that both sides are

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Speaker 5: getting seas and out. We're paying these people six figures

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01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 5: about two hundred thousand dollars a year and free health

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01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 5: care to fail us. So we really need to step

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01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 5: up as a country, you know, as citizens and both

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01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 5: in people that truly understand what it's going to take

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01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 5: to get the government out of our business and decres

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01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 5: spending so the cost of living goes down and we

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Speaker 5: have more opportunity for our family. So I'm one of

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01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 5: those three hundred and eighty people that want the philiity

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01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 5: to do that. But until the vote right and some

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01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 5: constitutionalists and fisicily conservative people to Congress, it's not to

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01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 5: get done. And the Republicans need to replace the people

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01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 5: in our party that are over spending and not getting

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01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 5: the work done too. I mean, but at least you know,

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01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 5: I know what I stand for, and I know what

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01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 5: I want to do, and I'll align with other people.

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01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 5: You know, Congressman Warren Davidson already has legislation that suggest,

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01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 5: you know, repealing the sixteenth Amendment, repealing Act, and I

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01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 5: would love to get on board with that.

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Speaker 3: All right, right, we'll leave it there. I'm about out

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01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 3: of time.

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01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: Holly Adams will be running against Greg Landsman and this

1553
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 2: interesting and very very heated, a very difficult district because

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01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 2: it's both Democrat and Republican. I know the way they

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01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 2: do the lines there, But Holly lovely having it back

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01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 2: on the show at some point. Thanks again for joining.

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01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 3: Good luck, it's got.

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01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 5: Am I allowed to pitch my website.

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01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 2: Absolutely, We're seven hundred wible are all about advertisements, come

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01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 2: on now.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, so thanks listeners. You can go

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01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 5: to Hollyadams for Congress dot com. Learn as much as

1563
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 5: you about me there. If you have any questions at all,

1564
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 5: reach out to me by email. I'd love to hear

1565
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 5: from you, learn more about your family, what your priorities are,

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01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 5: and you know, be honored to earn your vote on Nathan.

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Speaker 2: Holly all the best, Thanks for joining, Thanks so much, Scott,

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01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,799
Speaker 2: take care of be well and good luck with a campaign.

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01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: We've got a news update and run a little bit

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01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: late here sloanly on seven hundred w Well.

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Speaker 3: The time to talk about money, how to make it,

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01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 3: how to keep it, and how to keep others off

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Speaker 3: your stack. This is all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer.

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01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: Yes, Tuesday morning, I mean Shaeffer drops in, mister money

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01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 2: bags is here? Interest and principle. That's what is all

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01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: about with Andy at Allworth Financial. Good morning son, How are.

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Speaker 9: You good, Scott?

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01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: How's it going on?

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01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 2: Everything is great, everything is good, everything is well, well,

1580
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: maybe it's not.

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01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 3: I don't know you.

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01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I look at the markets. It's all

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 2: doom and gloom. You know, the the Dow and the

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01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 2: S and p R. Down's gonna be the worst year

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Speaker 2: I think, and probably three years at sha the worst

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01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 2: month I guessed in three years.

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Speaker 3: And I talk to you and you say everything's great.

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01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 3: Why Why am I? Why am I listening to you?

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01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 2: I need doom and gloom here ratings and revenue. Baby,

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01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 2: fear drives listenership. Don't you know that everything is with you?

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01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 2: Everything's calm, everything is fine, It'll be fine.

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Speaker 9: Well, I know fear and greed are good for the show,

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01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 9: but you know I want to keep it in perspective,

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01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 9: and I want to make sure that people understand that

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01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 9: you don't need to panic. I mean, there is some

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Speaker 9: optimism in the markets right now, and I think every

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01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 9: investor is really hanging on the words of Donald Trump

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Speaker 9: and the Trump administration, and you know, it changes daily

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Speaker 9: and it changes even hourly, and essentially, you know, the

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Speaker 9: markets are feeling pretty good this morning because Trump said that,

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Speaker 9: you know, we might see an end to this conflict

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Speaker 9: in Iran even before the straight of war moves is open. Now,

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01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 9: you know, we did see a couple shipping tankers from

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01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:52,759
Speaker 9: China that we're able to get through.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 9: China is a partner with Iran generally, So you know,

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Speaker 9: does that tell us a lot?

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Speaker 1: Not really.

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Speaker 9: But I think when you look at the markets in

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Speaker 9: general and you look at the fundamentals, you know, overall

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Speaker 9: we haven't seen a lot of change in the fundamentals

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Speaker 9: from a market standpoint. The technical analysis is still pretty good.

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01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 9: The fundamental analysis is pretty good. And the other thing

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Speaker 9: that you've seen is that the Brent crude oil has

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Speaker 9: dropped below one hundred and ten dollars a barrel, and

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Speaker 9: a lot of people say, well, you know, what is

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Speaker 9: Brent crude. You know, why is that a thing? Well,

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Speaker 9: you know, here in the United States, we basically mark

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Speaker 9: our prices to the West Texas creud, and that's what

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Speaker 9: we generally see here in the United States. But the

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Speaker 9: Brent crud is more of a national and global type

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Speaker 9: of benchmark, and that comes from the North Sea, which

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Speaker 9: is near Norway, Sweden, Finland, those types of areas, and

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Speaker 9: that's a sweeter crew that is used more globally. And

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Speaker 9: so what you're seeing is is that a lot of

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Speaker 9: these other nations are starting to say, hey, we have

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01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 9: a decent amount of supply. We think that we can

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01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 9: you know, manage a lot of this and really kind

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Speaker 9: of get through it. And that's why you've seen Brent

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01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 9: crud start to go down to one under uneath a

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Speaker 9: hundred and dollars barrel, and the markets responded favorably.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we were seeing actually the price

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Speaker 2: of gas drop a little bit here.

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Speaker 3: I believe it.

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01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 2: I saw it what like three three forty or something yesterday.

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01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, that dropped a lot really quickly. Is

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01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 2: when it was driving that whole thing and you know,

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Speaker 2: hero those doom and gloom, you know, it's gonna be

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01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 2: as a it's a rough month for Wall Street, and

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01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 2: you know, food and groceries. The war's pushing up prices

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01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 2: for farmers because the fertilizer costs are going up, and

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01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: then we have the tariffs and energy going in there too,

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01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 2: leading the bigger bills at the grocery store. We're going

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01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 2: to talk mortgage rates here in a second, and we're

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01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: supposed to turn a corner this year, but now there's

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01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 2: a big question mark there and Asia in Europe, as

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01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 2: you mentioned too, it's kind of a black Swan event

1648
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 2: because no one's immune to this whole thing. Gods to

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01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 2: where you're standing with Iran, everyone's getting hurt by this

1650
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:47,799
Speaker 2: around the globe.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and you've seen some complacency across the markets. There's

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01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 9: really not a whole lot of capitulation whatsoever to be

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01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:58,560
Speaker 9: found in flows or volumes or fundamentals or technical analysis.

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Speaker 9: And despite you know, some of these things that are

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01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 9: going on, you know that investors generally are just looking

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01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 9: for clues.

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01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 3: And what we're trying to figure out is, you know,

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Speaker 3: what does.

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Speaker 9: It look like in Iran? Does it feel like it's coming,

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01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 9: you know, to a crescendo? Does it feel like that

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01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 9: we're coming to some type of agreement with Iran, and

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Speaker 9: I think generally over the last couple of days, the

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Speaker 9: answer is yes. And so when you have stock prices

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01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 9: that have fallen so significantly over the last few weeks,

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01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 9: you're starting to see a lot of bargains. And history

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01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 9: shows if you're smart about understanding volume, volatility, et cetera,

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01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 9: if you're able to buy the dip, it's going to

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01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 9: pay off for you in the long run. And so

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01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 9: I think that's what we're seeing right now is that

1670
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 9: investors are thinking, Okay, well, the fundamentals are still good.

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01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 9: If we can get this wrapped up, this is probably

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01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 9: a good place to buy. And that's why you've seen

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01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 9: the markets run, you know, a little bit yesterday, and

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Speaker 9: we're starting to see that a little bit today as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense, And it's as you said, it's

1676
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: so hard to believe what the truth is because Trump

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01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 2: says he's negotiating, and Pakistan says we're going to do

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01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 2: and then Iran says, well, you're negotiating with yourself.

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Speaker 3: You're not talking to anyone.

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01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 2: At one point, hey, it looks optimistic they're going to

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01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 2: wind you know, pulling, not maybe getting troops on the

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01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 2: ground there, although we've brought about ten thousand more to

1683
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: the region. But at the same time, then we're talking

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01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 2: about maybe bombing their power plants, which would probably, I guess,

1685
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 2: cause gas and oil to skyrocket, would it not? So

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01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: Wall Street right now is bullsh and believing what the

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01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 2: White House says at this point. If that turns out

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01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 2: to be untrue, what happens then.

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01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 9: Well, and I think if if that becomes untrue, then

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01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 9: we can start to see inflation, you know, creep in

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01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 9: you know, more systemically, And I think that's what everybody

1692
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 9: is trying to bet on right now. Does it look

1693
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 9: like this is going to be a problem for the

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01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 9: next few months. Does it feel like it's going to

1695
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 9: be wrapped up in the next four to six weeks?

1696
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 9: Like the Trump administration continues to say that, you know

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01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 9: that that's their timeline, and you know, if it does

1698
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 9: continue to continue on, you know, we can see the

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Speaker 9: FED start to take notice on this. And you know,

1700
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 9: we we've heard FED chairman pout basically say, hey, we're

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01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 9: not really you know, too concerned about it right now,

1702
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 9: but if it continues, we might have to switch gears

1703
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 9: and start to raise interest rate, and certainly that's not

1704
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 9: what anybody wants. When we look at futures and we

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01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 9: look at what it looks like from an interest rate standpoint, Yes,

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01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 9: it's probably still likely that we see an interest rate

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01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 9: cut maybe in June, maybe one or two this year.

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01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 9: But you know, if this continues to go on and

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01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 9: the Trump administration doesn't have a way to get out

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01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 9: of this, we can see interstrates maybe even tick up,

1711
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 9: and you know that's going to have an impact on

1712
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 9: the housing market. That's going to have an impact on borrowing.

1713
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 9: It's also going to have an impact on corporate spending

1714
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 9: as well, because money becomes a little bit more expensive,

1715
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 9: and you know, if that happens, we can probably see

1716
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 9: the potential for a recession risk continue to creep up

1717
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 9: as well.

1718
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be optimistic inside with the President

1719
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 2: on this and Withdlald Trump and say, look, I think

1720
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 2: that there's going to be an amicable solution here. What

1721
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 2: that looks like down the line, if it makes the

1722
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 2: region more unstable to run more and stable, we don't know.

1723
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,480
Speaker 2: But a more peaceful settlement then just comes completely obliterating

1724
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 2: the entire country or the region it's not going to

1725
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: be good for anyone, and it's going to make things

1726
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: much much worse. It's just a this is a classic

1727
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 2: foggle war moment, is what this is, right.

1728
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, it and I think that you know, the you know,

1729
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 9: as Americans, we have a lot of leverage over there.

1730
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 9: Right now, it's pretty secure. I mean, we have a

1731
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 9: ten warthog over there, we have Apache helicopters. They're trying

1732
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 9: to secure the straight of Horror moves. Right now, we're

1733
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 9: starting to see some ships be able to get in.

1734
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 9: There's still a delay as far as what Donald Trump says,

1735
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 9: until at least April sixth before we start hitting their infrastructure.

1736
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 9: And you know, what we don't want to do is

1737
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 9: impact the civilians in Iran. And we start to hit

1738
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 9: the energy infrastructure of Iran, that will certainly impact the

1739
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 9: civilians over there. So the clock is ticking.

1740
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1741
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 9: Investors generally right now are feeling that there is you know,

1742
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 9: an end of this tunnel and we're starting to see

1743
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 9: the light at the end of it and.

1744
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 3: We'll see how it goes.

1745
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 9: But right now, I think there is a little bit

1746
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 9: of optimism and you know, obviously the markets are reflecting

1747
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 9: that all.

1748
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 2: Right, So in the last what roughly twenty five plus years,

1749
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: we saw a tech bubble, we saw financial crisis, we

1750
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: saw the housing meltdown, we saw COVID, and all sorts

1751
01:25:56,160 --> 01:26:00,759
Speaker 2: of geopolitical events that in history is always as indicator

1752
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 2: of future behavior. That's a very very true statement in

1753
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 2: that regard. What do we see here?

1754
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 1: What?

1755
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,480
Speaker 2: What are the average pullbacks in those rough times?

1756
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean we usually see somewhere between ten and

1757
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 9: twenty percent. You know, a correction is defined by a

1758
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 9: ten percent pullback in the markets in general. You know,

1759
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 9: right now we're probably about eight percent down from where

1760
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 9: we were in January, you know, so you know, in

1761
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 9: the big scheme of things, it's not really that much.

1762
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 9: If you have a moderate portfolio, let's say a sixty

1763
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 9: percent stock portfolios, forty percent bonds, you know, maybe you're

1764
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 9: only down three percent for the year. And so you

1765
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 9: don't want to overreact to these types of geopolitical turmoil

1766
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 9: events because we go through these all the time. I've

1767
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 9: been doing this for twenty seven years, and I've been

1768
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 9: through a lot of it. I started in the late nineties,

1769
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 9: you know, during the tech boom and nine to eleven

1770
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,879
Speaker 9: et cetera. You know, even more recently when Russia invaded Ukraine.

1771
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 9: You know, that's kind of a blip on the radar

1772
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 9: right now, but that's still going on. And at the

1773
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 9: end of the day, it's about the consumer in the

1774
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 9: United States. As long as unemployment is low and we

1775
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 9: have the ability to earn a way age, you know,

1776
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 9: we're really what drives the market, Scott's and as you know,

1777
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 9: as long as we continue to be productive here, you know,

1778
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 9: small geopolitical issues really don't move the.

1779
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 3: Needle that much.

1780
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 2: All right, He's Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial jumping

1781
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 2: on this Tuesday Marning just a little bit of a

1782
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 2: voice of reason and an over concerned world. It'll all

1783
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 2: balance out in the end, is what you're saying. Just

1784
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 2: give it a little bit of time, a little bit

1785
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 2: of time on that I mentioned earlier. They fed left

1786
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 2: interest rates unchanged. They've been kind of creeping higher lately

1787
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 2: because of inflation and rising all prices. But what do

1788
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 2: economists believe the longer term rates are going to?

1789
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 9: Well, I think that it's likely we see maybe a

1790
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 9: quarter percent cut this year, maybe two by you know,

1791
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 9: Midsummer next year. You know, some of those expectations have

1792
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 9: shifted though. I mean just four weeks ago, markets were

1793
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 9: pretty confident that we would see two quarter percent cut

1794
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 9: rates this year and that's kind of flipped to about

1795
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 9: maybe a twenty five percent chance that we get one hike.

1796
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 9: So you know, that big swing right now is based

1797
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 9: on you know, what's going on in the straight horror moves,

1798
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 9: the concerns with energy prices, you know, from a global standpoint,

1799
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 9: and so you know, it's it's a good example of

1800
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 9: how marcuts really try to process uncertainty in real time.

1801
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 9: And we can see this happening if you watch the

1802
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 9: markets on a daily basis, or you hear what the

1803
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 9: FED has to say, and a lot of the Fed

1804
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 9: Committee members they like to you know, have their press.

1805
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 3: Conference as well.

1806
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 9: This is ongoing and I think the I think the

1807
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 9: takeaway here is, you know, really stick to your financial

1808
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 9: plan and what you're trying to get accomplished. A lot

1809
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 9: of times when we look at, you know, our expectations

1810
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,719
Speaker 9: or assumptions for you know, our clients, you're you're figuring,

1811
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 9: you know, in a modern portfolio about seven percent average

1812
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 9: hand of your return per year well over the last

1813
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 9: three years.

1814
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: You know, those.

1815
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 9: Accounts have probably returned thirteen, fourteen, fifteen percent over the

1816
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 9: last three years equally. And so if we do go

1817
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 9: down a little bit this year, and I still believe

1818
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 9: that we'll probably end up on the higher end of

1819
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 9: that by the end of the year. But if we

1820
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 9: do go down a little bit this year, that's figured

1821
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 9: into most financial plans. You have to understand that. You know,

1822
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 9: that's something that we take into account, and it's something

1823
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 9: you should make sure that you stick to and not

1824
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 9: get caught up in the minutia of the data day

1825
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 9: headlines because it'll drive you crazy.

1826
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's trying to process an uncertainty on

1827
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 2: an hourly byerly basis. Should be day to day now

1828
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 2: it's like minute by minute.

1829
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, And you know, and Donald Trump really likes

1830
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 9: to say a lot of things. You know, it makes

1831
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 9: you know, it's like, you know, it makes my job

1832
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:20,679
Speaker 9: a little bit harder.

1833
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, things are going pretty good.

1834
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: None, they're not.

1835
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 9: You know, we can't you know, we're bombing again.

1836
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: Maybe we're not. Well.

1837
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 9: You know, investors are generally irrational by nature, and they

1838
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 9: respond to these things.

1839
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 2: So the two thirty pm Trump in the White House

1840
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 2: should talk to the two thirty am trump On on

1841
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 2: social media, on driven through social.

1842
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 9: Well, I think he probably wills to talk to me

1843
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 9: on mondays I can give him some advice.

1844
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 3: The swings are unreal.

1845
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 2: So once it settles down and enery places are stabilizing,

1846
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 2: we're shifting back.

1847
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 3: To rate cuts basically as the bottom line, I think so.

1848
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 9: And you know, as we do come to some sort

1849
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 9: of resolution here, you know, we'll probably see somewhere rate cuts.

1850
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 9: If it's likely that oil prices start to fall, if

1851
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 9: we start to get into the low nineties, that probably

1852
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 9: will continue on into maybe we see sixty dollars a

1853
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 9: barrow again in the summertime. And if we do see that,

1854
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 9: the markets are going to rebound quite a bit. You know,

1855
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 9: when we look at the price earnings ratio on stocks,

1856
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 9: and that's a measurement of value, and you know how

1857
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,719
Speaker 9: expensive is the stock versus you know, what they're really earning.

1858
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 9: The forward looking pet right now is about twenty and

1859
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 9: that is a pretty good moniker of saying, hey, things

1860
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 9: are you know, a pretty good bye right now. And so,

1861
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 9: you know, people are trying to find deals in the marketplace,

1862
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 9: whether it's a specific sector in technology or energy or

1863
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 9: consumer staples. And I think that you know, if you're

1864
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 9: not in the market, now is the time to get

1865
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 9: back in.

1866
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 3: Okay, very good.

1867
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 2: And of course coming up this I believe Friday is

1868
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 2: the jobs report comes out.

1869
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, we got a lot of you know, information that

1870
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 9: comes out this week. You know we're going to have

1871
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 9: jobs report. Certainly, you know we're going to get retail sales.

1872
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 9: That's going to be a delayed report that's coming out tomorrow.

1873
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,679
Speaker 9: That's going to be important ism manufacturing. Know, we probably

1874
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 9: are looking at a little expansion there, which is also good.

1875
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 9: And really Friday is the big big one. We're going

1876
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 9: to get us hourly wages, the unemployment rate, and so

1877
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 9: that's going to be important to tell us, you know,

1878
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 9: where we are from a labor standpoint, because at the

1879
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 9: end of the day, as long as we have the

1880
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 9: ability to make money that contributes to consumer spending and

1881
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 9: also retail sales.

1882
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 2: All right, So your guess, good as anybody's, what the

1883
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 2: job report is going to show.

1884
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 9: I think it's probably going to be somewhere where we are.

1885
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 9: I think that's probably we're going to be about four

1886
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 9: point four percent in the unemployment rate. We're probably going

1887
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 9: to look at a little bit of additional jobs, maybe

1888
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 9: fifty nine thousand additional jobs. Hourly wages will probably rise

1889
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 9: a little bit, maybe point three percent, maybe forty percent.

1890
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 9: And if that's true, if that holds true, that's going

1891
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 9: to be positive for the markets as well, because it

1892
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 9: basically represents a stable economy.

1893
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got it all right. So that is

1894
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 3: on Friday, all those things as well.

1895
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 2: He's Andy Shaeffer at all Worth Financial, our weekly money

1896
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 2: tune up here, and he's got you covered. And of

1897
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 2: course their show airs at six o'clock over in fifty

1898
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 2: five KRC. It's six o'clock every weeknight, and that is

1899
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 2: a simpling money Andy over at all Worth all the best, brother,

1900
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Okay, Scott, talk to you next week.

1901
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: All right.

1902
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 2: Red's on a roll right now. That's three straight, baby,

1903
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,719
Speaker 2: I was the game last night was awesome to nothing.

1904
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 2: Jase Spurns looked absolutely amazing. We'll see if we can

1905
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 2: get it done today a little bit. Well, that wind

1906
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 2: was blowing in pretty good. Not many long balls. I

1907
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 2: don't know how we're gonna get today. We're expecting forty

1908
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 2: mile in our winds on Wednesday, though. We'll see how

1909
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 2: that works, how that works out in some storms too.

1910
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 2: But hey, you know what, you got schemes I believe

1911
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, So hey, get it done today, right or tonight?

1912
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 2: I guess I should say here on the Home of

1913
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 2: the Red seven hundred W DOWT, since that