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Speaker 2: What does it read.

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Speaker 1: The legislature may not authorize gambling in any form. This

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Speaker 1: Well, if it's on your phone, you can do so constantly.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: We don't want a big national company like say Draft

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Speaker 1: So we would force draft Kings to give sixty percent

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Speaker 1: necessary at all. That's the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty.

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Speaker 1: This is the Dan O'Donnell show. The Assembly is scheduled

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Speaker 1: And in case you're wondering why, all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: That's pretty clear nineteen ninety three constitutional amendment because federal

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what these bills were would be. Federal law

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Speaker 1: Currently sports betting is legal in Wisconsin, but you've got

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Speaker 1: let's say only Hispanic Americans were allowed to do cock fighting.

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Speaker 1: Very illegal, right, it's cruel to animals. But this random

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Speaker 1: That constitutional? Is that lawful? Or does that violate the

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Speaker 1: equal protection cluss. It's the same thing here. We're starting to,

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Speaker 1: i think, as an American society re examine, and we're

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Speaker 1: doing this in light of the racially gerrymandered Congressional District's

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Speaker 1: and yes that is an absolute historical fact. But we're

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Speaker 1: it's drawn for. Native tribes should not have a monopoly

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Speaker 1: on a form of gambling that can be done anywhere.

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Speaker 1: If I were a legislator, I would think long and

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Speaker 1: for their sports books. It's a company based in Malta.

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Speaker 1: It's not as though they're basically running their own thing.

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Speaker 1: They are partnering with a company that is as far

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Speaker 1: away from Wisconsin as possible. All Right, we're gonna leave

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Speaker 1: it there, and when we come back, we will name

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Speaker 1: the unhinged liberal of the day who actually caused a

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Speaker 1: flight to be diverted. Welcome back to the Dan o'

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Speaker 1: donald show. It Oh my god, Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Dan o' donald show.

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Speaker 2: For those.

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Speaker 1: We're listening right after we went to break. Kevin Henry,

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Speaker 1: We've all been there, brother, our traffic reporter. He does

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Speaker 1: not do live reports. He records them, and actually should

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Speaker 1: Used to be Chicago, might be Cleveland. No, we used

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Speaker 1: got our news through Cleveland. It was weirdly enough, I

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Speaker 1: And we still do this with traffic. We partner with

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Speaker 1: structure is actually like. So Kevin is out of Chicago

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Speaker 1: number of different stations, and he forgot to edit his

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Speaker 1: times I've done that.

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Speaker 2: It could have been way worse. Producer Eric says, that

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Speaker 1: Kevin is a fundamentally decent guy and didn't say a.

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Speaker 2: Germany prop is dangerous because he's evil. America is.

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Speaker 4: Home.

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Speaker 1: Today's unhinged liberal of the day is a woman who

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Speaker 1: is on an American Airlines plane from Arizona to Washington.

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Speaker 5: D C.

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Speaker 1: Who was so disruptive screaming about how we live in

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Speaker 1: a fascist state that the plane had to make an

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Speaker 1: emergency landing. Now this is kind of a big deal

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Speaker 1: because it was carrying four congress people on it, Democrat

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Speaker 1: Congressman Greg Stanton, Eli Crane, a Republican, another Republican Andy Biggs,

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Speaker 1: and Paul Gosar, another Republican, all from Arizona. They were

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Speaker 1: by cops. Apparently on the flight, the woman was so obnoxious,

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Speaker 1: she was so crazy, all because of the presence of

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Speaker 1: those congressmen screaming about fascism, that the plane needed to

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Speaker 1: make an emergency stop in Kansas City to remove her.

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Speaker 1: That woman your unhinged Liberal of the Day. Coming up

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Speaker 1: on the first day that the Democrats have allowed the

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Speaker 1: government shut down to reopen, we check in with what

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Speaker 1: Trump was up to. Daily Trump date coming up next,

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Speaker 1: plus the latest on the housing crisis in this country.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday on the Dan O'Donnell Show, we went in depth

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Speaker 1: on what I considered to be one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: socioeconomic and political issues of day, and that is the

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Speaker 1: affordability crisis that is most acutely felt in what I

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Speaker 1: believe to be the most significant housing crisis that this

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Speaker 1: country has faced in a generation, if not ever, For

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Speaker 1: the first time in American history, the traditional American dream

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Speaker 1: home ownership, the white picket fence, the kids, the puppy,

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Speaker 1: all of it is for many Americans beyond reach.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: We got so much feedback to this, I want to

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Speaker 1: actually open up the phone lines for a discussion about

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Speaker 1: just what it is that is causing this. It isn't

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Speaker 1: young people having too many frappuccinos and too much avocado toast,

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Speaker 1: as a whole lot of us who are a little

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Speaker 1: bit older would like to say, well, I was able

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Speaker 1: to afford a house. I just had to give up

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Speaker 1: a couple luxuries. Well, yes, but your house wasn't seven

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Speaker 1: to eight times your income. You weren't saddled with student

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Speaker 1: loan debts that you couldn't possibly repay. You didn't have

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Speaker 1: a country that was intentionally flooded with millions and millions

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Speaker 1: and millions of people who are competing for the exact

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Speaker 1: same resources, especially housing, that you are.

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Speaker 2: We will get into that.

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Speaker 1: I am really looking forward to hearing what some of

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Speaker 1: you folks have to say about this. I've got a

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Speaker 1: fascinating email from someone who is right smack dab in

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Speaker 1: the middle of this, a twenty seven year old who

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Speaker 1: doesn't want his name used, but he provides some incredible

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Speaker 1: insights about what it's like now. He is actually a

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Speaker 1: home owner, and he did everything the right way, so

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Speaker 1: to speak. But he has some fascinating analysis of this.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that, Bok for the end of this segment.

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Speaker 1: We've got to get to the daily Trump date. First

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Speaker 1: day the government was back open, and I am seeing

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Speaker 1: some massive news that just crossed. Eric Swallwell has been

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Speaker 1: referred for a federal criminal probe over alleged mortgage fraud.

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Speaker 1: This just coming in within the last probably, i would say,

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Speaker 1: the last couple of minutes or so, top housing official

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Speaker 1: and President Donald Trump's administration.

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Speaker 2: This, according to NBC.

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Speaker 1: Has referred California Democrat Eric Swollwell to the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: for a potential federal criminal probe based on allegations of

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Speaker 1: mortgage fraud and tax fraud related to a home in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. According to a person familiar with that referral,

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Speaker 1: Bill Poulty, director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, alleged

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Speaker 1: Swollwell may have made false or misleading statements in loan documents.

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Speaker 1: The matter has also been referred to the agency's acting

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Speaker 1: inspector General. Now, of course, the left is already freaking

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Speaker 1: out about President Trump once again going after his political enemies.

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Speaker 1: You mean, like with four criminal probes, two impeachments, and

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Speaker 1: a partridge in a para tree like that, going after

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Speaker 1: political opponents, all timed to election cycles. Okay, if you

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Speaker 1: say so, Dems. Look, the reality is mortgage fraud and

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Speaker 1: making false or misleading statements on mortgage documents. Or loan documents.

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Speaker 1: This is a very straightforward crime. It is essentially open

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Speaker 1: and shut. Did you make a statement that is false?

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Speaker 1: Did you know that statement to be false? Now I

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Speaker 2: It is a win for the administration. It's also a

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Speaker 1: President Trumps signing an executive order today continuing foster care

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Speaker 1: for those orphans who age out of the system to

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Speaker 1: provide support for them. This is a continuation of a

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Speaker 1: by First Lady Malania Trump since the first Trump term.

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Speaker 6: This afternoon, I'm delighted to sign a historic executive order

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Speaker 6: building on the Fostering the Future initiative to make Americans

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Speaker 2: Than ever before.

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Speaker 6: And it's been effective, but it's moving in a very

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Speaker 6: Malania's incredible devotion to America's youth.

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Speaker 1: Something that she talked about during a speech today. Also

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Speaker 1: The President said, this is a continuation of traditional Biblical morality.

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Speaker 6: The Bible tells us that one of the measures of

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Speaker 6: So as we make America great again, we are going

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Speaker 6: up to be unbelievable, strong, smart, wealthy, productive citizens.

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Speaker 1: The Trump administration is continuing its nationwide efforts to crack

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Speaker 1: down on illegal immigration and wrap up deportions deportations. I

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Speaker 1: should say, of those criminal illegals deemed to be extremely dangerous,

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Speaker 1: Madison Sheian, Deputy Director of ICE, announced the arrest of

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Speaker 1: hundreds of them in Florida today.

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Speaker 7: Just ten days, we've been able to remove, in partnership

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Speaker 7: with the State of Florida, over two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 7: of the worst of the worst, heinous criminals from their streets.

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Speaker 7: Our job as law enforcement is to protect the most vulnerable.

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Speaker 7: Democrats will tell you that that is the criminal, illegal

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Speaker 7: aliens who if they have let run free in our communities,

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Speaker 7: but not this group of law enforcement.

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Speaker 3: We know that it's the.

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Speaker 7: Children that is our job to protect. These men and

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Speaker 7: to protect the children of their communities and protect the

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Speaker 7: American people and put them first. And that's just what

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Speaker 1: The Trump administration, meanwhile, appears to be pivoting to the

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Speaker 1: growing affordability crisis to try to alleviate the effects of

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Speaker 1: four years of out of control inflation under President Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: As part of that, Vice President jd Vance went on

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Speaker 1: about something that we spent a good hour on here

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Speaker 1: on the Dan O'donnald Show yesterday, and that is the

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Speaker 1: unaffordability of how.

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Speaker 8: A lot of young people are saying housing is way

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Speaker 8: too expensive.

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Speaker 2: Why is that Because we flooded the.

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Speaker 8: Country with thirty million illegal immigrants who were taking houses

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Speaker 8: that ought by right go to American citizens, and at

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Speaker 8: the same time, we weren't building enough new houses to

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Speaker 8: begin with, even for the population that we had. So

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Speaker 8: what we're doing is trying to make it easier to

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Speaker 8: build houses, trying to make it easier to build factories

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Speaker 8: and things like that so that people have good jobs.

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Speaker 8: We're also getting all of those illegal aliens out of

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Speaker 8: our country, and you're already seeing it start to pay

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Speaker 8: some dividend.

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Speaker 1: That, ladies and gentlemen, is your daily Trump date. And

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Speaker 1: that is one of the biggest reasons that housing is

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Speaker 1: so unaffordable. Imagine tens of millions of immigrants, legal and illegal,

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Speaker 1: and let's just set aside for a second, illegal immigrants,

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Speaker 1: legal immigrants coming into this country on say h one

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Speaker 1: B visas to work in tech getting paid a good

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Speaker 1: amount of money, are competing with Americans for the same

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Speaker 1: basic number of houses. Not only that, most new arrivals

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Speaker 1: to the country don't buy, they rent. When there are

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Speaker 1: more people competing for this same basic number of apartments.

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Speaker 1: And yes, we do have new housing starts, and yes

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Speaker 1: we do have new apartment buildings going up, but not

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Speaker 1: nearly at the right necessary to keep pace with demand.

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Speaker 1: When you have a supply crunch like this, price is

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Speaker 1: necessary will go out of control.

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Speaker 2: Now add to this, you have got.

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Speaker 1: For really the first time ever, investment firms buying up

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Speaker 1: less expensive houses to then rent them out to people

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Speaker 1: who aren't in a position to be able to buy.

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Speaker 1: So all of the lower end houses, say in Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: a lot of those houses that would be in the

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two hundred thousand dollars range. Now

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Speaker 1: these are houses that maybe a couple of short years

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Speaker 1: ago would have been eighty ninety one hundred thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: perfect starter houses for a young couple, are now being

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Speaker 1: snapped up and then turned around and used as rental

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Speaker 1: properties by investment companies. This is further exacerbating the supply crunch.

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Speaker 1: These are issues that no generation has ever, including mine,

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Speaker 1: had to deal with before. This has also made the

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Speaker 1: median age of a first time home buyer in this

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Speaker 1: country hit a record of forty this year. That's up

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Speaker 1: from twenty nine the year I was born nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 1: First time home buyers now represent just about twenty percent

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Speaker 1: of the market. Before the big housing bubble burst in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight leading to the Great Recession, that

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Speaker 1: was pretty consistent at about forty percent of all home

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Speaker 1: buyers were first time buyers.

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Speaker 2: Now that's down by half to just twenty percent.

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Speaker 1: Now, people say, all right, all right, Dan, Dan yes,

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Speaker 1: inflation is bad, but back in nineteen eighty one, we

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Speaker 1: weren't making all that much money compared to now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is true.

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Speaker 1: The median household income right seventeen thousand, seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten dollars, median home price forty seven thousand dollars. That's

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Speaker 1: about three times the median household income. It's a big

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Speaker 1: chunk of change, but nothing like today. As of September,

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Speaker 1: the median home price in America is four hundred, fifteen thousand,

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Speaker 1: two hundred dollars. That is roughly eight times the median

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Speaker 1: income of seventy four thousand dollars for the average American. Now,

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Speaker 1: you might also say, okay, okay, okay, damn. Yes, that

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Speaker 1: is true, but mortgage rates were so much higher back

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Speaker 1: then that our payments were higher.

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Speaker 2: Not really.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen eighties thirty, your mortgage rates did peak at thirteen percent.

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Speaker 2: But homes were much cheaper.

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Speaker 1: Monthly payments averaged about twenty five to thirty percent of income.

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Speaker 1: Today rates are between six and seven percent, but combined payments,

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Speaker 1: mortgage taxes, insurance that hit thirty one hundred dollars a month,

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Speaker 1: nearly double levels we saw just five years ago, and

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Speaker 1: about fifty percent of income for many households.

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Speaker 2: There just isn't any comparison.

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Speaker 1: Add to that the fact that you could go to

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Speaker 1: college in the early nineteen eighties for a song.

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Speaker 2: I've had people in the baby.

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Speaker 1: Boom generation tell me that you could go for a

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Speaker 1: couple of one hundred dollars per semester to UWM. That's incredible.

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Speaker 1: It's not the reality today. Student loans now average about

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Speaker 1: thirty seven thousand dollars per borrower. Moreover, first time home

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Speaker 1: buyers are paying way more in rent. Since twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: rents are now up twenty percent. But the biggest issue

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Speaker 1: by far is the fact that there simply aren't enough

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Speaker 1: homes to keep up with demand. According to the National

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Speaker 1: Association of Realtors, the US is short three to five

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Speaker 1: million homes because of the massive influx of people just

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Not only that.

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Speaker 1: Older people are staying in their homes longer, they're not

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Speaker 1: downsizing to the levels that previous generations did. Baby Boomers

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Speaker 1: are much likelier to go from one house to another house,

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Speaker 1: and because they have so much equity in the house

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Speaker 1: that they're leaving all cash offers win the day over

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Speaker 1: younger first time buyers who are forced to finance a

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Speaker 1: significant portion of the homes that they want to buy.

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Speaker 1: But this isn't going to be Oh well, it's all

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Speaker 1: the boomer's fault. This is a natural outcrop. This a

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Speaker 1: natural outgrowth of the fact that people just live longer. Now,

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Speaker 1: if I'm seventy years old and I'm in good health,

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Speaker 1: I don't smoke, I stay active, I'm not obits, i

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Speaker 1: don't have heart disease, i don't have cancer. It's very

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Speaker 1: likely I'm going to live to my mid eighties or

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Speaker 1: even longer. Well, if I'm still active, why wouldn't I

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Speaker 1: want to stay in my house? People would decline a

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Speaker 1: lot faster in previous generations. Therefore they would need care,

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Speaker 1: they would need to go to a nursing home a

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Speaker 1: lot younger. That doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: All of this is combining to make people just unable

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Speaker 1: to afford housing. Now, what this is also doing is

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Speaker 1: also having an impact on politics. We just saw in

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Speaker 1: November's elections, not one but two socialists elected yes in

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Speaker 1: very far left cities, two of the farthest left cities

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Speaker 1: in America. In fact, New York, which elected an open

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Speaker 1: communist in Zoran Mamdani and Seattle, which elected a socialist.

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Speaker 2: That race was called yesterday.

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Speaker 1: What happens is people say I have a good salary,

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Speaker 1: but I still can't afford a home.

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Speaker 2: The entire system is broken. Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you know a whole lot of young people

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Speaker 1: for whom that's not the case. That's not the point.

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Speaker 1: A whole lot of people are getting the wrong message.

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Speaker 1: A whole lot of people are saying, I don't need

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Speaker 1: to work harder. I don't need to try to get

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Speaker 1: a better job and higher income. I don't need to

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Speaker 1: take on less student loan debt to get a degree

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Speaker 1: that's never going to be able to pay it off.

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Speaker 1: They're getting the wrong message. Harvard poll released this past spring,

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Speaker 1: sixty two percent of those eighteen to twenty nine now

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Speaker 1: say capitalism does more harm than good. That's a twenty

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Speaker 1: point jump since twenty sixteen. Top reason given that capitalism

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Speaker 1: does more harm than good quote housing is unaffordable for

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Speaker 1: regular people. I want to know what you think about this, folks.

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Speaker 1: Four one, four, seven, nine, nine, eleven thirty is our

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Speaker 1: advent Noos dot com talk and text line. You can

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Speaker 1: also reach us toll free one eight hundred eight three

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Speaker 1: eight nine, four seven six, genuinely curious to get your perspective,

795
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Speaker 1: your phone calls, your text coming up next, as I thought,

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of interest in this, a lot of

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Speaker 1: phone calls to get to. Let's start in Pewaukee where

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Speaker 1: we talk to Scott about the new housing crisis.

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Speaker 2: Scott, you're on the Dan O'donnald show. Welcome to it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a very interesting topic. Dan. I think when

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Speaker 9: you quoted some of the things from nineteen eighty Thill

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Speaker 9: is you also have to consider that that average first

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Speaker 9: time home buyer, they're not interested in buying the three

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Speaker 9: budges room ranch with one bathroom. They're interested in The

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Speaker 9: square footage of the average home today compared to nineteen

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Speaker 9: eighty is about twenty five percent larger.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is actually a very good point.

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Speaker 9: The quality of everything that goes in from the standpoint

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Speaker 9: of the you know, the furnace, the you know, the

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Speaker 9: air conditioning, the refrigerators and all those different appliances, the

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Speaker 9: insulation quality, the fireproofing of the materials. So it's a

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Speaker 9: world of difference between that average house that you would

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Speaker 9: be looking at in nineteen eighty compared to today.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you know a big reason for that though,

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Speaker 1: been John F. Scott, I'm sorry, do you know a

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Speaker 1: big reason for that though? Housing builders? That is the builders, Well,

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Speaker 1: there's that, There is that builders.

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Speaker 9: Also the areas in the subdivision being set aside, right.

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Speaker 1: But Scott, it is also a function of massive increases

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Speaker 1: in the price of raw goods. It simply is not

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Speaker 1: affordable now for builders to build these houses that would

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Speaker 1: retail for one hundred hundred and fifty thousand dollars because

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Speaker 1: they're putting so much in material and work. But that

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Speaker 1: is those are absolutely excellent points, Scott. And when you

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Speaker 1: do have those older homes, I use Milwaukee for an example,

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Speaker 1: because you have the houses that were built in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifties in that housing boom, that were smaller, that

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Speaker 1: were you know, perfect starter homes. Many of them are

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Speaker 1: snapped up by investment companies and turned into rental properties,

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Speaker 1: so you're having this massive crunch, But excellent, excellent points there, Scott.

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Speaker 2: I hate to cut you off, but I do.

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Speaker 1: We have just a ton of people who want way

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Speaker 1: in and I want to try to get to as

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Speaker 1: many as possible. Pierre and Eagle, you're on the Dan

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Speaker 1: O'Donnell show.

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Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, I mean yeah, also like what you said

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Speaker 3: inflations also But the other problem is the supply side

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Speaker 3: problem is there's way too many people looking for houses

839
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Speaker 3: and houses, which always increases the cost. But in a

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Speaker 3: capitalism society, capitalism always fixes itself. So the builders are

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Speaker 3: getting rich building houses, and when they catch up and

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Speaker 3: there's more houses than people, the prices will go down

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Speaker 3: because no one will be buying them. Well, yes, itself.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, it does, it does. But the fundamental problem,

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Speaker 1: Pier is that we're importing people. We're importing demand, at

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Speaker 1: least we were under Barack Obama and then especially under

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, at such a rate that it's physically impossible

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Speaker 1: to keep up with that demand.

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Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Yes, capitalism will always it will always fix itself based

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Speaker 1: on normal population growth. If you have this massive shock

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Speaker 1: to the system where all of a sudden, we have

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Speaker 1: no idea how many people came into this country illegally

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Speaker 1: over the last five years, right well, from twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one to twenty twenty four. So hold on one second,

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Speaker 1: one second, peer, we have no idea how many people

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Speaker 1: came in every single one of them needs a place

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Speaker 1: to live. Many of them were placed in apartment buildings

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Speaker 1: by the previous administration. You add to that the massive

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Speaker 1: increase in legal immigration, people who are coming to this

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Speaker 1: country legally, and they're having higher paying jobs, which allows

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Speaker 1: them to get to a better quality of housing. That

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Speaker 1: puts them in competition with another sector of would be

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Speaker 1: home buyers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, that's true.

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Speaker 10: Out of the problem.

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Speaker 3: The only idea I can think of that to fix

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Speaker 3: it is like what happened during Reagan has tried to

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Speaker 3: kill the economy, Then that'll.

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Speaker 10: Lower all the prices.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on her, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: you can do that. Yes, it was to get inflation

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Speaker 1: out of the system. You basically needed a shock to

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Speaker 1: the economy. I just don't see that happening. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to how about Todd and Oshkosh, who is in the

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Speaker 1: banking industry and thus has a bit of a unique perspective.

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Speaker 2: Todd, how you doing. Welcome to the Dan O'Donnell show.

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Speaker 10: I'm doing good, Dan, How are you fantastic?

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Speaker 2: My friend?

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Speaker 10: Okay, what I'm going to hit is a lot of

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Speaker 10: the same points that you have, But I guess from

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Speaker 10: my standpoint. I think the big factor is that you've

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Speaker 10: got a lot of these richer people, you know, coming

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Speaker 10: out of the cities and coming into the suburbs country,

885
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Speaker 10: and they've got the money and they can jack up

886
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Speaker 10: the prices. You know, there's limited supply, big demand. I

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Speaker 10: think your other point about companies buying up these single

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Speaker 10: family houses, that's very true. And you see a lot

889
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Speaker 10: of these national real estate investment trusts yep that are

890
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Speaker 10: buying these and so well.

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Speaker 1: And another thing I'm sorry to interrupt, Todd, I just

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Speaker 1: want to make sure we also hit on the fact

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Speaker 1: that especially in areas where there's a lot of tourism

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Speaker 1: New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco that have massive

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Speaker 1: prices in real estate, a lot of people are turning

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Speaker 1: to Airbnb. They're turning their apartments, they're turning their condos

897
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Speaker 1: and their houses into full time vacation rental properties. That

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Speaker 1: further limits supply. So that that's another thing that people

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Speaker 1: today have to compete with that just wasn't a thing

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Speaker 1: even as recently as a decade ago.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I would agree with that, and you know, I'm

902
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Speaker 10: sixty years old. I've been in my house twenty six years.

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Speaker 10: I don't plan on going anywhere because it doesn't really

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Speaker 10: pay for me, you know, to go buy a condo

905
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Speaker 10: or anything right now, because the price of the rolls

906
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Speaker 10: are inflated. So so those are my main points, Dan Well.

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Speaker 2: Todd, I really do appreciate you sharing them. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what. We're going to take a break.

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Speaker 1: I am absolutely loving this discussion because it is it's

910
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Speaker 1: just a fascinating glimpse at pretty much everything that we

911
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: face as a country, all rolled into one. More of

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Speaker 1: your calls next, the new housing crisis. We are taking

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Speaker 1: your calls on why it is that housing is unaffordable

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Speaker 1: for many people, especially younger people, and the profound impact

915
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Speaker 1: that that's having on pretty much all aspects of American life.

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Speaker 1: It is a fascinating, fascinating topic. I actually do believe

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Speaker 1: that the housing shortage, the crisis, that the fact that

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01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: younger people think that they are doing every thing right

919
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: but still are not able to get ahead, is causing

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Speaker 1: them to believe that the entire system is rigged against them,

921
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Speaker 1: and they are thus much more open to the noxious,

922
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Speaker 1: poisonous ideology of socialism, which says, yes, the system is

923
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Speaker 1: rigged against you, Yes, no matter what you do you

924
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Speaker 1: cannot get ahead. Yes, it's those greedy, evil capitalists who

925
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Speaker 1: are putting up roadblocks in your way. So instead of saying, well,

926
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Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to need to delay everything. I

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Speaker 1: may not be able to buy my first home until

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Speaker 1: I'm forty years old. That said, unlike someone from the

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Speaker 1: pre World War Two generation who had a life expectancy

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Speaker 1: maybe in the seventies if you can avoid and it's

931
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Speaker 1: very misleading folks when we hear statistics like, oh, life

932
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Speaker 1: expectancy in America is actually going down, Well, that's because

933
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Speaker 1: the homicide and suicide and drug overdose rates are going

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Speaker 1: way up. If you can make it to age sixty

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Speaker 1: five or seventy, you are much more likely to make

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Speaker 1: it to ninety than you are. Of course, if you

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Speaker 1: are healthy, and you know you eat right, or at

938
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Speaker 1: least eat reasonably well, you stay active, you don't smoke,

939
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Speaker 1: you don't drink excessively, you are just as likely to

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Speaker 1: make it to ninety as you are to die at

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Speaker 1: seventy five. We have lived through a miracle in medical

942
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Speaker 1: science that's able to keep us alive on average much

943
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Speaker 1: much much, much much longer than ever before. And that's

944
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Speaker 1: had a profound effect too on everything. In fact, we're

945
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: going to talk about this in the next hour in

946
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Speaker 1: terms of just how ancient our ruling class has become,

947
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Speaker 1: the American gerontocracy. We're going to discuss this coming up

948
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Speaker 1: in the five o'clock hour right here on the Dan

949
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Speaker 1: o'donnald Show. Right now, though, let's go to New Berlin

950
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Speaker 1: and talk with John. John, you're on the Dan O'Donnell show.

951
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Speaker 5: Hey, Dan, fantastic show. This topic is really interesting to

952
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 5: me because I have two daughters, once twenty two and

953
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Speaker 5: one's twenty five five year old. Yeah, she just bought

954
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Speaker 5: a house. We looked all over, you know, had to

955
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Speaker 5: Patriot in seventy thousand for a small, three bedroom ranch.

956
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Speaker 5: But he'sent home. It needs a lot of work. But

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Speaker 5: the two biggest things that I noticed when I sit

958
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Speaker 5: around the table with her and her friends that can't

959
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Speaker 5: afford and where she did. The biggest thing is college

960
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 5: debt for sure. You know, they're saddled with like crazy.

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Speaker 5: She works through college, didn't do a lot of spring

962
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Speaker 5: break stuff. A lot of it is personal responsibility, and

963
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Speaker 5: it is the other thing that The other big thing

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Speaker 5: is lifestyle. Like a lot of these boyfriends of the girls.

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Speaker 5: They got the NFL channel, they got three TVs. They

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Speaker 5: have a lifestyle. They expect to carry on into that

967
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Speaker 5: first home, and it wasn't even possible for me, you know,

968
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Speaker 5: thirty years ago. So that's you know, that's firsthand what

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Speaker 5: I see. And you know most of them have good jobs.

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Speaker 10: But you got to be.

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Speaker 5: Willing to eat at home too. They cooked from home,

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Speaker 5: they didn't. They don't go to eat all the time.

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Speaker 1: Be totally honest, Be totally honest, John, I'm not going

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01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: to judge you because I hope to do this for

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Speaker 1: my kids too.

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Speaker 2: Did you help her with a down payment?

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Speaker 3: I did not.

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Speaker 2: Oh you didn't.

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Speaker 5: She had to do no.

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Speaker 1: Because that is becoming increasingly common that you know, parents

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Speaker 1: are forced it to be.

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Speaker 2: And this is not a necessity. I mean, you said it.

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Speaker 1: She's got a three bedroom ranch that just a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago would be what one hundred and eighty thousand,

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Speaker 1: maybe three hundred and seventy thousand dollars.

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Speaker 5: We also had a stunning inflation inspection. There was lots

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Speaker 5: of other things we had to do and be willing

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Speaker 5: to close right away. So she wasn't moving from somewhere

989
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 5: else so there was lots of things like that.

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Speaker 1: And you're very lucky. So she financed the house. You're

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Speaker 1: very lucky. They took a non cash offer. That's the

992
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Speaker 1: other thing she had.

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Speaker 5: She's a nurse for already. She had a year under

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Speaker 5: her belt as a nurse, which helped. So she has

995
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 5: a decent income and they have a lot of trust

996
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 5: in her. And her fiance has a decent job. Nothing,

997
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 5: you know, they don't make a ton of money, but

998
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 5: it was hard to find that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it is possible.

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Speaker 1: And please don't don't listen to me, John, thank you

1001
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: so much for the call and sharing your your family's experience. Uh,

1002
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: don't make it, you know, don't misconstrue. What I'm saying is, Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's impossible. You'll never be able to afford a house. Yes,

1004
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: people obviously can, it's just much more difficult. And we

1005
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: happen to live in an area. We live in a

1006
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: state Wisconsin that is very affordable. Yes, we have a

1007
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: tax burden that is out of control high, but in

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01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: terms of the affordability of housing, even though we have

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Speaker 1: seen a massive spike in the price of housing, it's

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01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: nothing compared to say, San Francisco. It's nothing compared to

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01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: I was just visiting my brother in Austin, Texas. My goodness,

1012
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: some houses that would be two hundred and three hundred

1013
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars here in southeast Wisconsin are nine hundred thousand dollars.

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01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just.

1015
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Speaker 1: It's staggering how much these houses are. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Bill in Walka Shaw. You're on the Dan O'donnald show.

1017
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Speaker 2: It's going on. Bill.

1018
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 11: Hey, Dan, love your show, Love everything you're talking about.

1019
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 10: Thank you, politics everything.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Bill. I do appreciate that. Thank you.

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01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: With the house stuff, I've been in an apartment for

1023
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 11: oh eleven years, okay, and it's it's beautiful. And my buddy, well,

1024
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 11: my dad passed away and left me a lot of money.

1025
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 11: So my buddy, he's not doing good.

1026
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: He went to the hospital and da, da da.

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Speaker 11: He wanted me by his condo. Yeah, he bought it

1028
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 11: for like one hundred and twenty thousand, and he was

1029
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 11: trying to sell it to me for like four hundred and.

1030
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 10: Twenty five thousand. I go, you out of your freaking mind.

1031
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 2: And that was the fretting price.

1032
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 3: I get.

1033
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 4: My apartment is bigger than your freaking condo. And that's

1034
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 4: and that's one of the gotta be kidney. That's my

1035
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 4: kids are gone. I raised both my kids by myself.

1036
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 4: I got two empty bedrooms. I got a beautiful place.

1037
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 4: It's all de Yeah, it's all fifty sixties in one bedroom,

1038
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 4: and it's all I got a ton of rock and

1039
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 4: roll stuff in the other bedroom. It's like I'm making

1040
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 4: this thing into my own place.

1041
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1042
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: Really, that's it's four hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.

1043
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: That's absolutely stunning. All right, I think we've got time

1044
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: for one more call before we.

1045
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 2: Go to break.

1046
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: Let's go to Jake in New Berlin. You're on the

1047
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 1: Dad O'Donnell show. Jake, how are you doing good?

1048
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 3: Dann?

1049
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 5: Thanks?

1050
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 10: I just wanted to make my quick point.

1051
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, me and my wife bought our first house in

1052
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Speaker 12: New Berlin in twoenty and eighteen, right after we got married,

1053
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Speaker 12: right before we started having kids. And I zillowed it

1054
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 12: the other day just to see what the value on

1055
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Speaker 12: it now. And it's up almost one hundred and forty thousand.

1056
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Speaker 2: Dollars since we've bought it, and that's seven years ago.

1057
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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's almost not quite doubled in price, but it's

1058
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Speaker 12: getting pretty darn.

1059
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Speaker 9: Close to it.

1060
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Speaker 12: And see, to me, it just makes no sense for

1061
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 12: us to actually like go out and sell and get

1062
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Speaker 12: a bigger house. It makes worse financial sense for me

1063
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 12: to put a second story on.

1064
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: It does because you're locked in at what two and

1065
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: a half percent at your mortgage. I mean, it makes

1066
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: it makes zero sense to get you know, six point

1067
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: seventy five percent a one hundred and forty thousand.

1068
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: Dollars for what.

1069
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Speaker 1: This is the biggest, the biggest, most insidious result of

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Speaker 1: Biden inflation. It is I mean, every you know, the

1071
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: price We've been focusing so much on the price of

1072
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: eggs and the price of and yes, the price of

1073
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,560
Speaker 1: staples and the price of food has gone off, but

1074
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:08,480
Speaker 1: the biggest purchase you will likely ever make has quadrupled

1075
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: in price. It's just it, It is unaffordable in the extreme.

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Speaker 1: We'll try to get a couple more phone calls in there.

1077
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find this fantastic email I got from

1078
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Speaker 1: a Generation Z guy too. All that coming up on

1079
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: the Dan O'Donnell show.

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01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: All right, I.

1081
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Speaker 1: Found the email from a zoomer, a young man that

1082
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: I was looking for for quite a bit. It is

1083
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Speaker 1: going through everything that we are talking about now. He

1084
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: is a homeowner, he is twenty seven years old, and

1085
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Speaker 1: he works with his hands. He's in the trains, he said.

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Speaker 1: In the time between buying our first home to now,

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01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: I watch how those I went to school with live

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01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: their lives in contrast to mine. Given my line of work,

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01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: my social life has been eroded dramatically. No Friday night

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: concerts or evening ball games, no bowling nights, not even

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01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: a casual hang at a bar, either work or barely sleeping.

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01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: While thinking to myself, out of my immediate friend group

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01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: of six guys, I'm one of two that pay a mortgage.

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01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: The rest either live in an apartment or rent a house.

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Speaker 1: Three or married, one single, one with a girlfriend, the

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Speaker 1: other is recently engaged. I'm also in the minority of

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Speaker 1: being childless. With the wonders of social media, I noticed

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01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,839
Speaker 1: more so that the general mindset comes down to one factor.

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Speaker 1: You can have a family or you can own a home.

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01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: Rarely can you have both. He then goes on that,

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Speaker 1: by the way, is a wow. That is an eye

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Speaker 1: opening observation. Goes on to say, and this is just

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01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: brilliant stuff. There seems to be an unspoken rush ingrained

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Speaker 1: in us that propels us into having as many of

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Speaker 1: life's experiences as we can before it's too late. This

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01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: sense of impending doom, if you will, is the age

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01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: bracket that creeps closer to thirty. The trips abroad or

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01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: expensive getaways have disappeared with rising costs, with nothing left

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01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: to fill the void and no house to be tied

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01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: to the result became children. The stagnant wages and rampant

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01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: inflation became more obvious to some. Well, I keep driving

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01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: the same used pickup I bought at nineteen and gaining equity.

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01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: The overall feeling of resentment is growing among young voters

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01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: because it feels like there was a very small open

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01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 1: window of affordability that closed when interest rates and listing

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01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: prices exploding. It's where I feel that, as depressing and

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Speaker 1: reclusive as my life has become. The writing on the

1118
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: wall I saw while in high school that the good

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01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: times weren't going to last forever are showing their true shapes.

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Speaker 1: That is just incredibly well written, and it should be

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01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 1: an eye opener to everybody in older generations like ours.

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01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: You can either have a home or you can afford

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01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: a family. You cannot have both. You can have a house,

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01:13:55,479 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: you can have a baby. Something's got to give. Nothing

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Speaker 1: about machiato's, nothing about avocado toast. Everything about the affordability

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01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: of life is gone. It is utterly gone. In just

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01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: four years, the socialists destroyed it. They took it away

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01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: in order to import people to compete with people like

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Speaker 1: this emailer for jobs, for housing, for all resources, the

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01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: empowering of corporations to buy off housing supply to then

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01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: turn around and rent to lower income people. The idea

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01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: that someone who makes less money than you do is

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01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: more deserving of the same resources that you are, so

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01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: we as government are simply going to give it to them,

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01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: whereas you're going to have to work your butt off

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01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 1: for it.

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01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 2: That's just I boy.

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Speaker 1: I am suddenly very terrified for my children, especially my

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01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: oldest who is going off to college next year and

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: is going to have to start making these life decisions

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01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: in the next four or five years. I mean, this

1142
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: is this is serious, heavy stuff. When we come back

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01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: after I know there are a couple of people on hold,

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01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: I do apologize. We're not going to be able to

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01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 1: get to everybody when we come back after the break.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to a fascinating column in the

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01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal on why it was exactly that Chuck

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01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: Schumer first shut down the government and then accepted meekly

1149
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: a surrender by allowing defections in his party to reopen it,

1150
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: and transition from that into why is it that a

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01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,879
Speaker 1: seven four year old man is, has been, and perhaps

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: forever will be the face of the Democrat Party, America's

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01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: gri intocracy, and much much more coming up in the

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Speaker 1: five o'clock hour Here on the Dan o'donald's show. The

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Speaker 1: federal government is back open and now Democrats are dealing

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01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: with the ramifications of people actually being happy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the.

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Speaker 1: Dan o'donald's show, five o'clock hour. Fascinating column the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal Today, available at WSJ dot com. It is

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Speaker 1: behind a paywall. It's by Barton Swayman, entitled why Schumer

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01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: had to do it? The reason that Schumer essentially needed

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Speaker 1: to shut down the government and then needed to blink,

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01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: needed to allow the reopening of the government and have

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01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,719
Speaker 1: a segment of his caucus in the Senate go along

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01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: with Republicans and the filibuster and go along with the

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01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: continuing resolution. It is a fascinating glimpse into just what

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Speaker 1: goes into Democrat politics.

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Speaker 2: We will get into that in just a second.

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Speaker 1: First time for the five o'clock word in the Fall

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Speaker 2: Hard to believe.

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Speaker 1: We started playing this contest in early October and it

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Speaker 1: ends tomorrow, Friday, November fourteenth. It is all over and

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Speaker 1: you will never ever ever have another chance to win

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Speaker 1: one thousand bucks in an iHeartMedia contest ever again.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm kidding, of.

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01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: Course, we're gonna start it all up again, cold hard

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Speaker 1: cash contest right after the holidays, Wall Street Journal and

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Speaker 1: Barton Swam had a fascinating glimpse into why exactly it

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01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 1: was that Chuck Schumer needed to do what he did first,

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01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: shutting down the government with no real discernible reason. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the reasons for the government closure sort of shifted with

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Speaker 1: each pasting day. Of course, Schumer very famously or rather

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01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: infamously said, every day gets better for Democrats that the

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Speaker 1: government is shut down. So there is a certain amount

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Speaker 1: of nihilism there. There is a certain amount of a

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Speaker 1: desire to inflict pain and folks. The reality is is

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Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty, Democrats did the exact same thing.

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Speaker 1: They realized Trump was an incumbent. They realized that what

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Speaker 1: they needed to do to sink at the time a

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Speaker 1: very popular president Trump was actually cruising towards reelection. I know,

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Speaker 1: I talk about this all the time, but people forget

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Speaker 1: because in March twenty twenty, obviously everything changed with the

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Speaker 1: COVID lockdowns. But in January and February, Democrats were beside

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Speaker 1: themselves because the economy was coming along, we were in

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01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: a period of relative peace across the globe. Trump was

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01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: enjoying pretty high for him anyway, approval ratings, and despite

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01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: Democrat attempts at impeace, which meant the first attempt at

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Speaker 1: impeachment over the so called perfect phone call with then

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Speaker 1: new Ukrainian Prime Minister President I should say Vladimir Zelinsky

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Speaker 1: over Joe Biden and his son Hunter's obvious corruption in

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Speaker 1: that country with Barisma holdings. Trump was on top of

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01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: the world and it looked like he was going to

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01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: win re election pretty easily. Remember, Democrats were panicked about

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Speaker 1: the fact that Bernie Sanders, for a second straight election cycle,

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01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: seemed poised to run away with the nomination unless he

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01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 1: was stopped. So, of course, for a second straight primary,

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01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party essentially rigged it by forcing a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of candidates, including Pete Boodagig, who became Transportation Secretary

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01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: as a reward for dropping out. They were forced out

1218
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: of the race, so too was Amy Klobashar, so that

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01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: Joe Biden would be able to dominate Super Tuesday after

1220
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: his relatively improbable win in South Carolina. Remember Biden was

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Speaker 1: pardon the phraseology here, because his presidency was like this too,

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01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: but politically speaking, dead man walking after the Iowa caucuses

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Speaker 1: and first in the nation New Hampshire primary because he

1224
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: just could not get any traction. It was Bernie Sanders

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01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,560
Speaker 1: and it was Boodhajij who won the first two but

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01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,440
Speaker 1: it was obviously Sanders that emerged with all of the momentum,

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Speaker 1: and the base was clearly behind the socialist So with

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Speaker 1: that as a backdrop, Joe Biden was the candidate, but

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01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: he was always immensely beatable. COVID came along and Democrats,

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01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: rather than take a normal, sane approach to it, demanded

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Speaker 1: that the entire world be shut down, and then of

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01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: course they took the George Floyd death and turned it

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Speaker 1: into a national international movement.

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Speaker 2: All of this was designed.

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Speaker 1: It was absolutely designed to make people think things were

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01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: as bad as they possibly could be. You couldn't go outside,

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01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: you couldn't even bury your loved ones. But we had

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01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: riots in the street, we had people going out without

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01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,799
Speaker 1: their masks. And oh, by the way, this petty criminal

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01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: who just happened to get killed because he was trying

1241
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: to pass a counterfeit bill in Minneapolis gets multiple funerals,

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01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: a gold plated coffin, while your grandfather had to die

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Speaker 1: by himself and you weren't even able to bury him

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Speaker 1: with a couple close family members. All of this was designed.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying COVID was a hoax. Remember Trump got

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Speaker 1: in trouble for saying COVID is their new hoax. No,

1247
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: what was clearly the political tact was to make people

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01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: feel as bad as they possibly could, lock them in

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Speaker 1: their houses, make it seem that Trump was such a

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Speaker 1: failure on COVID nineteen. He was the reason that you

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Speaker 1: can't leave your house. Well, No, it was actually democratic

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01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: governors like Tony Evers and the grossly unconstitutional Safer at

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01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: Home Order that were forcing people inside. Trump is that's

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01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 1: the reason for all of this racial strife. No, it

1255
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: was the Democrat media, which, if you'll recall, actually had

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01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 1: a couple of cases that it was sort of test running.

1257
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: Ahmad Rberry was one the jogger who was wearing Timberland

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01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: boots for some reason. While he was jogging around a

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Speaker 1: construction site. He was shot and killed by two white men,

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Speaker 1: a father and son. And then, of course there was

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Speaker 1: the birding incident in Central Park for those who don't

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01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: remember that one. It was a white woman who called

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Speaker 1: the cops on a black guy who supposedly was just

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01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: innocently trying to watch birds, but who actually was threatening

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01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: to poison her dog. Seriously, look it up. I don't

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01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: have time to get into this. So Democrats and their

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01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: allies in the media were actively searching for a national

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01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,560
Speaker 1: racial strife story before one fell in their lap with

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01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:59,799
Speaker 1: George Floyd, so they played that up. They allowed cities

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Speaker 1: to burn to the ground. Unless you think I'm a

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01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist on this, how else do you explain Tony

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Speaker 1: Evers and his behavior in the Kenosha riots. He let

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01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 1: Kenosha burn before finally calling in the National Guard after

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01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse took matters into his own hands and shot

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01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: two thugs in self defense. Democrats want misery. Democrats want

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01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: when there is a Republican president, to have people feel

1277
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: like things are incredibly bad. This is common political strategy, right,

1278
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Speaker 1: You're going to vote against the party that's in power.

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01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: You're going to vote against Donald Trump. You're going to

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01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,919
Speaker 1: vote in twenty twenty six against the Republicans who control

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Speaker 1: both houses of Congress. This is why there was this

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Speaker 1: concerted effort during the recent shutdown, even though it's rather

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01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 1: obviously Democrats who shut it down, and honest brokers in

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01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: the left wing press would even admit, hey, wait a second,

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Speaker 1: Republicans in both the House and the Senate voted for

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Speaker 1: clean continuing resolutions. It was Democrats who for the first

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Speaker 1: time ever in American history filibustered in the Senate. A

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Speaker 1: clean continuing resolution. A clean CR is used to end

1289
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Speaker 1: government shutdowns. You don't shut down the government overwise, It's

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01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: never been done before. It's very obviously Democrats who shut

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Speaker 1: down the government, but there was this concerted effort.

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Speaker 2: To make its well Republicans. They control the House, they

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01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 2: control the Senate, they control the Presidency. It's their shutdown. No,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't.

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01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: Democrats owned it, but they wanted to pin the blame

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Speaker 1: on Republicans because again, they're running the same strategy of

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Speaker 1: trying to make people feel as miserable as possible. I

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Speaker 1: would be shocked if there wasn't a second government shut

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Speaker 1: down when this current continuing resolution expires in January, or

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Speaker 1: we could see one closer to the midterm election, because

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Speaker 1: because Democrats will do whatever it takes to regain power,

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Speaker 1: tank the economy doesn't make they shut the entire thing down.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Oh no down, that was Trump. Who do you think

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Speaker 1: Trump was trying to reopen the government. Trump was trying

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Speaker 1: to reopen the country as quickly as humanly possible. Democrats

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Speaker 1: were the ones who said no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we've got to shut it down. Democrat mayors, Democrat governors

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Speaker 1: were keeping their states shut down, keeping their school districts

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Speaker 1: shut down, keeping everything shut down far longer than they

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Speaker 1: ever needed to. So with all that as a backdrop,

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Speaker 1: we get to this Barton swam column in the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal why Schumer had to do it. Schumer didn't

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Speaker 1: want to shut down the government. Schumer didn't want to

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Speaker 1: reopen the government. Schumer, at every step of the way,

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Speaker 1: was guided by self preservation and specifically guided by the

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Speaker 1: army of left wing nonprofits who could destroy his leadership

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Speaker 1: and end his political career. Here's sway. Why did Schumer

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Speaker 1: have to do it this way? Blame the calendar, for one.

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Speaker 1: With Thanksgiving looming and the lame duck session in flux,

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Speaker 1: a full dress negotiation would have invited chaos. House Republicans,

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Speaker 1: embolded by their slim majority in Trump's shadow influence, demanded

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Speaker 1: concessions on everything from immigration enforcement to energy policy. Schumer's caucus, meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: is a House divided Progressives to cry any funding for

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01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: fossil fuel subsidies, while moderates from red states beg for

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Speaker 1: infrastructure wins. In a pre mid term environment where every

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Speaker 1: vote counts Toward twenty twenty six primaries, folding on core

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Speaker 1: demands wasn't an option. He threaded the needle with a

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Speaker 1: clean bill, knowing full well it had passed the House

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Speaker 1: only after Speaker Johnson's arm twisting. But this isn't, as

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Speaker 1: Swam continues, just Schumer's political dilemma quote. It's the pathology

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Speaker 1: of our polarized primaries, writ large. Democratic leaders like him

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Speaker 1: face reelection in states where the base activists, unions, and

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Speaker 1: ideologues turns out for low stakes contests. A vote for

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Speaker 1: a bill with even a whiff of Republican DNA risks

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01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 1: a challenge from the left a lah AOC's upsets in

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01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 1: New York, Republicans suffer the same fever. Any compromise invites

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Speaker 1: MAGA backlash, as we saw with the Border deals corpse

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Speaker 1: last February. Schumer didn't betray by partisanship. He obeyed the math.

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Speaker 1: Low turnout primaries amplify extremes, turning lawmakers into gladiators in

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Speaker 1: their own colisseums. Until we open these contests to more

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01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 1: voters or adopt ranked choice voting, expect more midnight deals

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01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: and less daylight governance now As you know, my feelings

1344
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: about ranked choice voting are very very public. I think

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Speaker 1: it is the single worst possible thing. So regardless of that,

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Speaker 1: what Swain is saying here is that it's not just

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Speaker 1: the fact that Democrats have to themselves be beholden to

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Speaker 1: the extremes. It's that there are funding mechanisms, and the

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Speaker 1: big one, indivisible, it's a Soros backed group. One of

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Speaker 1: the big ones has already announced that it is going

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Speaker 1: to do what it can to challenge Schumer's leadership. Corey Booker,

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Speaker 1: new Jersey senator who's rather obviously running for president in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, has already come out and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's time for a new generation of leaders and I

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily disagree. In fact, I think this is a

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Speaker 1: good opportunity to revisit our discussion that we've had a

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Speaker 1: couple of times on America's gerontocracy, the fact that we

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Speaker 1: are governed by extremely, extremely old people, especially in the

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party. Nancy Pelosi just last week announced her retirement

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Speaker 1: from Congress after twenty herms twenty you had a Democrat

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Speaker 1: senator die while in office at the Capitol, no less.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not in any way making fun of that

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Speaker 1: or anything like that, but it illustrates what's Schumer eighty

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Speaker 1: four years old.

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Speaker 2: My goodness, we'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what We're going to get into this

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Speaker 1: a little bit later on, probably in the next segment here,

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Speaker 1: to talk about why this is such a big problem.

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Speaker 1: But what Swam's central thesis is that because the base

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Speaker 1: of the party is far to the left of even

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer, and because there is such a well funded

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Speaker 1: radical left wing charitable industrial complex that is funding the

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Speaker 1: most left wing candidates in I mean, take a look,

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Speaker 1: take a look at AOC. She upset Joe Crowley, who

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Speaker 1: is about as entrenched, relatively speaking, moderate Democrat as it gets.

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Speaker 1: Now she's potentially gunning for Schumer's seat in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: It's not just AOC's winning smile and incredibly intelligent, trenchant

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01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: insight into the body politic being sarcastic there, of course,

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Speaker 1: it's the fact that she would go in with a

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Speaker 1: ton of money behind her because the charitable industrial complex,

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Speaker 1: these left wing dark money groups are mad. They want

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Speaker 1: the farthest left wing candidate possible to represent them. And

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Speaker 1: in a far left state whose biggest city just elected

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Speaker 1: an out and out communist as its mayor. Someone like

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer could be in real trouble if he, in fact,

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Speaker 1: was forced to face a real serious primary challenge. His

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01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: age alone would make him vulnerable. So he needed to

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Speaker 1: thread the needle. He needed to allow the defections from

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Speaker 1: his caucus. And by the way, those members of his

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Speaker 1: caucus had been spoiling to end the government shutdown because

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Speaker 1: they had been hearing from their constituents. But of course

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Speaker 1: they couldn't do this before the November elections in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: especially because they couldn't afford to look weak. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: afford to look like they weren't fighting hard enough against

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Speaker 1: the evil fascist dictator Trump. You see how this all

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Speaker 1: kind of works, and all of the in the background,

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Speaker 1: all of the dark money machine essentially pulling the strings,

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Speaker 1: is really kind of a frightening commentary on where we

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Speaker 1: are politically. Over the summer, you saw Democrats at these

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Speaker 1: town halls terrified of their own constituents because they were

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Speaker 1: saying insane things like, hey, you random dem congressmen, you

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Speaker 1: need to be willing to literally get shot while storming

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Speaker 1: an ice facility so that we know you're fighting against

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01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: fascism hard enough, you got that, but then you have

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Speaker 1: got those people backed by George Soros, money backed by

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Speaker 1: money that is spread through various nonprofits by Arabella Advisors

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Speaker 1: at its associated nonprofit group and its nonprofit organizations.

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Speaker 2: All of this forces in trench democrats to the left.

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Speaker 2: All of this.

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Speaker 1: Initially, the entire shutdown was all about Chuck Schumer needing

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Speaker 1: to show his radical left base and more importantly the

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Speaker 1: radical left puppet masters who fund them and fund a

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Speaker 1: potential challenger to him, that he is still willing to fight,

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Speaker 1: that he is still politically speaking, willing to get shot

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Speaker 1: storming an ice facility right metaphorically speaking.

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Speaker 2: That was what the shutdown was.

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Speaker 1: That was showing the radical base, hey, yes, we're just

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Speaker 1: nuts enough to shut the entire thing down just because

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01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: we think Donald Trump is a fascist. But then he

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Speaker 1: had to reopen the government. He needed a graceful exit

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Speaker 1: from the mess of his zone making. So he did

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Speaker 1: this again because if there was any caving to Republicans,

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01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: if there was any deal making, any horse trading, he

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01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: would be seen as a trader. It really was a

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01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: no win proposition because what's going on right now, he

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Speaker 1: is being seen as a trader to the cost. All Right,

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Speaker 1: we will dive into why the gerontocracy is such a

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Speaker 1: big deal and why it is that you get things

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Speaker 1: like this when you have exceptionally old leaders, especially exceptionally

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Speaker 1: old leaders in an opposition party like the Democrats. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to the Dan O'Donnell show. It is conservative thought,

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Speaker 1: not just talk classical conservatism and contemporary style.

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Speaker 2: It is the Dan O'Donnell Show. Welcome back to it.

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Speaker 1: Quick correction, I said, Chuck Schumer, the Senate Minority leader

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Speaker 1: is eighty four years old. He's actually seventy four. On

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Speaker 1: the twenty third, he'll turn seventy five years old. Still,

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Speaker 1: this is indicative of what's been known as America's gerontocracy.

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Speaker 1: Jar intocracy is government by the very very old. Yes,

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Speaker 1: our Vice president is one of the youngest in history

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01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: at JD vance and forty one years old. President Trump

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Speaker 1: is seventy nine years old. The Senate Majority Leader John

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Speaker 1: Thune is sixty four. Schumer, as I said, seventy four,

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Speaker 1: about to turn seventy five. House Speaker Mike Johnson is

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Speaker 1: fifty three, so well in line with corporate CEOs and

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Speaker 1: leaders of other countries. Same deal with Hakim Jeffries, who's

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01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: actually quite a bit older than I thought he was

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Speaker 1: fifty five. I don't know why Jeffries just seems younger.

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Speaker 1: I guess I would have pegged him at about my

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Speaker 1: age forty four, maybe a little bit older. The median

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01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:21,639
Speaker 1: age of the Supreme Court is sixty five. The average

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01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 1: age of United States Senators is a little over sixty four.

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Speaker 2: That is the highest ever.

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Speaker 1: Average age of the United States House little over fifty eight.

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Speaker 1: The median US adult, that is, everybody over the age

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Speaker 1: of eighteen, median US adult thirty eight years old. The

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01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 1: average age in this country we say adult eighteen or

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01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 1: older because those are eligible to vote, is much younger.

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Speaker 1: You see where this is a bit of a problem.

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01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Congress and the President are twenty to twenty five years

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Speaker 1: older than the country they represent.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: By way of comparison, Emanuel Macrone is remarkably young. So

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Speaker 1: other countries like France, You've got a forty seven year

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Speaker 1: old president. In Germany, their Chancellor shoals sixty four, so

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Speaker 1: a little bit older.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Giorgio Maloney, the Prime Minister of Italy, she's forty eight.

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Speaker 1: The United States Congress is the oldest legislature in the

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Speaker 1: free world. In democratically elected countries, parliamentary systems, congressional systems, republics, democracies,

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Speaker 1: the United States Congress is the oldest. There really isn't

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Speaker 1: much of a comparison. Now, you might say, well, Dan,

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Speaker 1: what does this matter. You know, we want experienced people.

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Speaker 1: We want people who have lived a little bit to

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Speaker 1: run the country. We want them making decisions. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: our last two presidents will serve until they're eighty some

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01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: years old. We saw the problem with a griontocracy for

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Speaker 1: the entirety of Joe Biden's presidency. He was very clearly

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Speaker 1: not mentally fit to be president. He was wandering off,

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01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 1: he was freezing in the middle of statements. He was

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01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 1: just completely rambling and going off topic. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: entire world press and the Democrats who they apparently take

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Speaker 1: orders from to not notice Biden's rather obvious cognitive decline

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01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: for four consecutive years. Finally couldn't hide it anymore during

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Speaker 1: the debate with President Trump, where Biden just looked like

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Speaker 1: his brain shorted out, saying things like we finally beat Medicare,

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Speaker 1: which allowed President Trump to say one of the best

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Speaker 1: lines in the history of debates. Yeah, you beat it.

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Speaker 1: You beat medicare to death. We saw the problem also

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Speaker 1: with Dianne Feinstein. You might remember who actually died while

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Speaker 1: in office. She was ninety some years old, and she

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01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 1: had to miss three months of votes because of failing health.

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Speaker 1: When she find she finally was carted out of the

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Speaker 1: Capitol on a gurney, she had died. The oldest senator

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Speaker 1: right now is ninety two years old, Chuck Grassley of

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Speaker 1: Aisle God Love, I love Chuck Rasseley. Please don't misunderstand.

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Speaker 1: I love President Trump. But Chuck Grassley is ninety two

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Speaker 1: and Trump is still sharp. He's not like Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: despite I love the hilarious attempts by various left wing

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Speaker 1: media outlets to try to make the case, well, Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden was cognitively just fine, but Donald Trump is the

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Speaker 1: one who's showing evidence of dementia or cognitive decline. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's completely believable. The biggest issue is that you have

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Speaker 1: leaders who are only thinking in the shortest possible time

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01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 1: frame because rather obviously their lives are very near their end.

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean to be macabre here, I don't

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Speaker 1: mean to be dark. But the worldview of somebody who

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Speaker 1: is thirty years old and believes that they're going to

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01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 1: be around for another fifty years is very different from

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01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 1: somebody who's eighty five and believes that any minute now

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Speaker 1: the Good Lord could take them home. It's a difference

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Speaker 1: in philosophy, it is a difference in worldview. It's a

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Speaker 1: difference primarily of perspective. Do you remember when you were

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Speaker 1: a kid. You remember when you were a kid and

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Speaker 1: Christmas time. I think my daughter is going through this

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Speaker 1: right now. Christmas time seemed to be the longest wait.

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Speaker 1: You would start seeing Christmas commercials on TV, probably right

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Speaker 1: around now. I didn't think we started the Christmas season

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01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 1: quite that early. We're right around Thanksgiving maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit earlier. And it was just such a long wait

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Speaker 1: because Christmas just seemed like we even developed advent calendars

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Speaker 1: in the Middle Ages to sort of help kids, and

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, advent calendars.

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Speaker 2: Do go back that long.

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Speaker 1: I do a lot of history on this sort of stuff,

1525
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: but you know, the modern concept the mass market at

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01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 1: Advent calendar was to help kids pass the time before

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Speaker 1: Christmas because they were so excited and it seemed like

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Speaker 1: twenty five days of December.

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Speaker 2: It was just way too long. Wait now, when we're

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Speaker 2: grown up, what do we think?

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Speaker 1: Man, the Christmas season goes fast. I'm actually experimenting this year,

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Speaker 1: primarily because of my daughter. She has already brought up.

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Speaker 1: She's eleven years old. She has already brought up a

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01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 1: little Christmas tree that we got all the kids years

1535
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 1: ago for their bedroom. She's already brought that up and

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01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 1: various other decorations so she could decorate her own room

1537
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 1: for Christmas. And she's been pestering us ever since the

1538
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Speaker 1: moment our plane touched down from Rome a couple of

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01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 1: days ago. She's been asking us to take down the

1540
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: fall decorations and put up Christmas. So we're actually Weirdly enough,

1541
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 1: I bought a new Christmas tree today, you know the

1542
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 1: reusable ones, the fake ones. We needed to get a

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01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 1: bigger one.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: The house We got a taller living room ceiling, so

1546
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 1: we wanted to kind of fill the space.

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Speaker 2: In any event.

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Speaker 1: In any event, now, the Christmas season seems too short,

1549
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 1: especially like in years like this when Thanksgiving is late,

1550
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: about as late as it can possibly be, And think, oh, man,

1551
01:42:57,240 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: I've got so much stuff to do. Christmas is just

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01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,640
Speaker 1: three weeks. So way, it's because and so to kind

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01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 1: of put a bow on that, I'm sort of experimenting

1554
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Speaker 1: with starting the Christmas season a little bit before Thanksgiving.

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01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:09,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we can.

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Speaker 1: We can debate that, we can, we can have a

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01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:15,839
Speaker 1: discussion about that, you know, with listening to the Christmas

1558
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 1: music and putting up the Christmas decorations and all that.

1559
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: But please know, folks, this this, this is my hand

1560
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 1: being forced by an eleven year old girl. Okay, I

1561
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 1: am powerless to stop what my daughter wants. And yes

1562
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: I am well aware I am probably creating a buster,

1563
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 1: but she is so adorable with her love for Christmas.

1564
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 2: I can't and you know she's so sweet about it.

1565
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 1: In any event, now our perspective has changed, because three

1566
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 1: weeks represents such a smaller amount, such a smaller percentage

1567
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:53,639
Speaker 1: of our lives, that we we have a different perspective about.

1568
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 2: The passage of time.

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Speaker 1: Now, imagine that writ large when people are making decisons

1570
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Speaker 1: about the future of this country. If you're thinking about

1571
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: time and you have a different perspective because you aren't

1572
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: expecting to be around for much longer, let alone the

1573
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: next half century, well because you are always as a politician,

1574
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 1: thinking about your next election, thinking about what is going

1575
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 1: to benefit you. You don't have the luxury when you

1576
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 1: are of an advanced age of thinking beyond that of saying, well, okay,

1577
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: I can think twenty thirty years down the line, I'll

1578
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 1: be retired. I want more of my social security. You're

1579
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 1: only thinking about the next election because it very well

1580
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:50,680
Speaker 1: could be your last. Not to mention the fact that

1581
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: we see the likelihood of vacancies dramatically increase, where states

1582
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:03,560
Speaker 1: or can rerational districts go unrepresented for a period of

1583
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 1: time until there can be a special election or an

1584
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: appointment or something like that. But the biggest issue with

1585
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 1: the American gerontocracy is that I fear and especially on

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01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 1: the left, especially on the left, conservatives are much better.

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01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 1: Trump is something of an outlier, right. If you remember

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01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 1: that field, that presidential field back in twenty sixteen, where

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01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 1: Trump just you know, Barrel rolled through the entirety of them.

1590
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 2: It was a young feel.

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Speaker 1: You had Little Marco, you had Ted Cruz, you had

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kasik was a bit older, but Jeb Bush,

1593
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:42,679
Speaker 1: relatively speaking, was younger, although he flamed out very quickly.

1594
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean, look back to twenty twelve. Mitt Romney was

1595
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, early I think mid fifties, late fifties, somewhere there.

1596
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 1: Paul Ryan was in his forties, maybe early fifties.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you go back. George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush was not particularly old when he was elected in

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01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:04,599
Speaker 1: two thousand. Democrats especially recently have had Look we were

1600
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 1: talking about him in the last who is the ideological

1601
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:13,559
Speaker 1: leader of the Democratic Party. It's rather obviously Bernie Sanders,

1602
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 1: right like, this is where these people are right now.

1603
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:24,639
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders was born in nineteen forty one. He's too

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01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 1: old to be a baby boomer. For goodness sakes, the

1605
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 1: man is eighty four years old. I think that's where

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01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 1: I got the incorrect idea in my head that Chuck

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01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 1: Schumer was eighty four. It's eighty four years old. I mean,

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01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:45,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is on the left. Maybe

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01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 1: it's these And I actually think there is a lot

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01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 1: of validity to this. It's these old guard Democrats are

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01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:56,719
Speaker 1: holding on like grim death part in the pun, because

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01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:01,640
Speaker 1: they're honestly terrified of the millenniums and zoomers who are

1613
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 1: out and out radicalized, truly radicalized left wingers coming up

1614
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 1: behind them.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Dan o'donald Show. We will be

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Speaker 2: back in just a second.

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Speaker 1: People are wondering, texting and emailing, how did we get

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01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: to a point where so many of our leaders in

1619
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: this country are so incredibly old.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Dan o'donald's show.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I went way long that last segment,

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01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: so the next couple are going to need to be

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Speaker 1: a little short. As we wrap things up for the

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Speaker 1: Thursday edition, people are wondering, Okay, how did.

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01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 2: We get to this point? Well, we don't have term

1626
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 2: limits in the Nited States. That's a big one.

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01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 1: Incumbency is a massive advantage in elections, huge advantage. In fact,

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01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: in the last midterm election we had in Wisconsin, in

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Speaker 1: the statewide races, every incumbent one, every single one. Tony

1630
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 1: Evers won, Josh call one, Ron Johnson a Republican one.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the only seat that changed hands was the

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Speaker 1: one where there was no incumbent, and that was state

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01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: treasurer or Republican one. Wherever there was an incumbent, the

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01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 1: incumbent won. So incumbency is a big advantage, especially in

1635
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Speaker 1: House of Representatives races, because you essentially have to raise

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01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 1: a ton of money very very quickly. And if someone

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01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 1: is bet in Congress for five terms, well that's ten

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01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 1: years of them being able to raise tons and tons

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01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,760
Speaker 1: of money for every single re election bid. In a

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01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 1: lot of times, congressional seat are so safe that they

1641
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:08,680
Speaker 1: never really face a serious challenge, so and primary challenges

1642
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 1: are even less likely. They're definitely frowned upon in parties

1643
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 1: because of that incumbency advantage.

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01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 2: But how did we get to this?

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01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 1: I like to joke that the baby boom generation that

1646
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:25,720
Speaker 1: once said never trust anyone over thirty now says never

1647
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: vote for anyone under seventy.

1648
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:29,600
Speaker 2: But that's only part of it.

1649
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: Yes, older Americans do represent the biggest voting block, so

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01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 1: they do have an outsized influence on American politics. But

1651
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 1: I think the bigger reason that we have people like

1652
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, like Joe Biden who are older than baby boomers.

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01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:52,479
Speaker 1: You can't even say they're boomers. They were born before

1654
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:57,599
Speaker 1: the baby boom of the post war period. I believe

1655
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 1: it's because you have these people, especially on the Democrat side.

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01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:06,639
Speaker 1: That and the Democrat Party has always operated much more

1657
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:11,559
Speaker 1: like the old Democrat Party machine politics that dominated Chicago

1658
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:14,839
Speaker 1: and New York and big cities throughout the eighteen hundreds

1659
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 1: and first part of the nineteen hundreds. Really Chicago machine

1660
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:22,880
Speaker 1: politics were well into the two thousands. So you have

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01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 1: party fathers who are deciding elections. I mean, just look,

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01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 1: we have spoken at length about the fact that Democrats

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01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 1: literally rigged their twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty

1664
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 1: four primary process. Joe Biden dropped out of the race

1665
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 1: after he had won all of the delegates, and instead

1666
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 1: of the promised open but abridged primary system that they

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01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 1: were going to have, they just coronated Vice President Kamala

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01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 1: Harris within an hour or so of Biden dropping out

1669
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:01,160
Speaker 1: of the race on that random Sunday after noon. So

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01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 1: Democrats have always been more of the party. Republicans are

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01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: the ones who just I mean, my goodness. If we

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Speaker 1: had something of a political machine system, Donald Trump would

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01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:18,679
Speaker 1: have never escaped the primary. Donald Trump wouldn't have even

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01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:21,439
Speaker 1: made it to the Iowa caucuses. They would have figured

1675
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:23,839
Speaker 1: out a way to keep his name off the ballot.

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01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:26,000
Speaker 1: For goodness, section, but you would have never been the

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Speaker 1: Republican nominee. People forget how terrified of Trump establishment Republicans

1678
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 1: were a decade ago. But Democrats, equally terrified of their

1679
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:42,800
Speaker 1: insurgent candidate, Bernie Sanders, instead just rigged their primary through

1680
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:46,320
Speaker 1: the use of super delegates so that Hillary Clinton was

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01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:50,640
Speaker 1: the obvious choice from the very beginning. Because of that,

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01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:56,080
Speaker 1: you have people who is a party machine going to

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01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:59,840
Speaker 1: choose the guy who has been re elected every two

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01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 1: years or every six years since the nineteen eighties, or

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01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:07,560
Speaker 1: some upstart thirty year old who shows a lot of

1686
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 1: promise and has great ideas. So the system itself is

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01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:15,559
Speaker 1: sort of especially in Democrat primaries, it sort of geared

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01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 1: towards that incredibly aged leadership population. We're gonna be back

1689
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Speaker 1: to wrap things up in just a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere you are listening to the Dan O'Donnell show. Well,

1691
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 1: to sum up this final hour of the Dan O'Donnell

1692
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Speaker 1: Show set up, Minority Leader Chuck Schumer basically had no

1693
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 1: choice in shutting down the government and then sheepishly being

1694
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:52,040
Speaker 1: forced to admit defeat by reopening said government because he

1695
01:52:52,280 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 1: was being pressured all the way by left wing special

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01:52:56,400 --> 01:53:01,600
Speaker 1: interest groups who would fund AOC or some other primary challenger,

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01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 1: or fund some effort within his caucus to get rid

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01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 1: of him as minority leader, and he basically was acting

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01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 1: out of self preservation, out of fear of the left

1700
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 1: flank of his base. And this fear is sort of

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01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:20,800
Speaker 1: exacerbated by the fact that because he's seventy five years old,

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01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 1: and because we have just an exceptionally old leadership class

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01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 1: in American government, he behaves in a much more self serving,

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01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,759
Speaker 1: shortsighted manner. Now that's not to say that a younger

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01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:37,640
Speaker 1: politician would behave any differently, especially a Democrat, because they

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01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 1: very obviously would not. But it is sort of a

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01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:45,439
Speaker 1: better explanation, I think than any I've had out there

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01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 1: for why there was this sort of comic caze mission

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01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 1: to shut down the government. I think it all comes down,

1710
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 1: as it always does for the Democrat Party. It just

1711
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 1: always comes down to politics. It always comes down to votes.

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01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:03,680
Speaker 1: It always comes down to inflicting as much pain as

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01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 1: humanly possible on everyday Americans to force them to see

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01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 1: Republicans as being the ones who are are inflicting that pain.

1715
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 1: And they do this through the constant amplification and unquestioning

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01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:23,680
Speaker 1: coverage of their preferred narratives by their allies in the

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01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 1: national press. This has been the playbook for decades since

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Speaker 1: the first major shutdown that was really in the television

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Speaker 1: cable news era of the nineteen nineties, where Republicans were

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Speaker 1: being accused of pushing Granny off the cliff. Remember that,

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Speaker 1: What was it? I'll still remember this when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid. It was the gingrich who stole Christmas? Get

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Speaker 1: it like the Grinch who stole Christmas? Because you see,

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Speaker 1: it was Republican's fault back during that government shutdown. Well,

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Speaker 1: now you have a Democrat base that I think is

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Speaker 1: almost as divided as the Republican base, where we have

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of people who turn to President Trump

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Speaker 1: because of a transactional desire to undo the dramatic inflation

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Speaker 1: of the Biden are And we spent a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of the four o'clock hour talking about that, following up

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Speaker 1: on the affordability that the housing crisis investigation that we

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Speaker 1: did yesterday. I mean, you have people who are under

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Speaker 1: thirty who really love and gravitate towards Trumpet. They're not

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Speaker 1: ideologically conservative at all. You also see this divide on

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Speaker 1: the left. You have more of the mainline Democrats who

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Speaker 1: I think are getting fewer in number with each passing year,

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Speaker 1: and then you have the socialists, then you have the communists,

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Speaker 1: and that is a real dangerous next generation to have

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Speaker 1: to confront. All Right, that will do it for the

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Speaker 1: Thursday edition, back tomorrow, three oh six. Have a great evening, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: You have been listening to the Dan o'donald Show.