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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the trade with Tommy Radio. Tom

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on this Jarry deal?

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Speaker 2: I love the deal, Mark, I mean, you get two

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Speaker 2: players coming back on expiring deals. That's money is pretty

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Speaker 2: much equal to what you were paying Jari this year.

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Speaker 2: You get a second round pick on top of that,

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Speaker 2: which is just unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: And that's like when twenty twenty nine. I'll be dead

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Speaker 1: by then, So I'm not so concerned whatever, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've got a second round pick on top of that.

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Speaker 2: But most important that you got out of that Jarr deal.

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Speaker 2: And you say this so often, Mark, gms are never

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Speaker 2: going to be perfect, but the mark of a really

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Speaker 2: good one is one that gets out of his mistakes fast.

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Speaker 1: Right, which Jim rodther For did all the time. He

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Speaker 1: admitted his mistakes and corrected him. Now Kyle Dubas has

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Speaker 1: done that after mistakenly extending Dubis. Excuse me, extending Jarry

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Speaker 1: for too much and for too long. How's the locker

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Speaker 1: room going to react? Jarry played bad last night and

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Speaker 1: the team needed to shake up. I think him playing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure the locker room is not gonna like

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Speaker 2: it in the immediacy, but they need to get over

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Speaker 2: it and get over it fast because there's their playoff positioning.

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Speaker 2: Their hot starts of the season slip away pretty drastically

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Speaker 2: right now, Mark, And I mean that lost last night.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize this. They've lost five of their last

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Speaker 2: six games at home. I mean, they're just abysmal really

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Speaker 2: on home ice, especially lately. If the team needed to

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Speaker 2: shake up, things were going in a bad direction. And

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Speaker 2: I hope they take this the right way and they

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Speaker 2: come out and they play two great games on Saturday

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Speaker 1: Well, they'll look good Skinner and they'll think he did

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Speaker 1: get to the last two Stanley Cup finals. I think

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Speaker 1: it might be an easier sell to the room if

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Speaker 1: it was Skinner and more Shoff. I think they've seen

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Speaker 1: enough of Shilloffs, especially his pathetic performances in the shootouts,

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Speaker 1: sure how to look good Skinner is stats in Edmonton

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Speaker 1: this year were not great. And the question is, and

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Speaker 1: it's a tough one, is he a success because he

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Speaker 1: got Edmonton two Stanley Cup finals? Or is he a

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Speaker 1: failure because he won neither of them.

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Speaker 2: I think it might be more of the latter. I

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Speaker 2: feel like Edmonton did a lot of heavy lifting getting

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Speaker 2: him to the Cup finals, and those statistics are not impressive.

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Speaker 2: This year and last year he's had a save percentage

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he got them to two finals, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't steal no games. You don't look back and think, Okay, Skinner,

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Speaker 1: you know, won this game that game. He was just

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Speaker 2: But just like Edmonton's hoping with Jarry, you know, get

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Speaker 2: a change of scenery, a place that he's comfortable in.

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Speaker 2: They will obviously reference his junior championship right winning them

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Speaker 1: They you know, they probably got the greater talents than Jari, Yes,

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Speaker 1: but they also got the lesser goalie over the course

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Speaker 1: those two All Star thingies back when. But this is

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Speaker 1: a gamble by Stan Bowman, the GM at Edmonton that

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Speaker 1: Jari can live up to his talent in a setting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's hoping that that change of scenery helps

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Speaker 2: guy just needed to change of scenery. Maybe he needed

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Speaker 1: Well, my only disclaimer to that, Tom would be he

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Speaker 1: reup him there. I mean I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I think honestly, he'd be grateful for any job in

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Speaker 1: way I do that in him making those two finals

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Speaker 1: again getting back the shilloffs, I'm not impressed. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: enough goalie prospects. I would go to Morishoff and Skinner

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Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't. But what is he twenty four? So

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Speaker 2: I guess there would be some temptation from some teams

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Speaker 2: he's not even been that good in his recent starts

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Speaker 1: I think he's a he's a four A goaltender. Like

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Speaker 1: think his ceiling at best is to be a quality backup.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's funny, Tom, I see like tributes to

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Speaker 1: Jari from the Penguin's website, and I'm sure there will

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. I mean, I guess she got to do that.

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Speaker 1: But I kind of roll my eyes and say, who'd

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Speaker 2: Do you think they'll play him Edmonton? Yeah? You got to,

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Speaker 2: don't you think? Sometimes sports leans away from showbiz? Though

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Speaker 2: I saw Bucci, our buddy, actually tweet something along those lines,

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Speaker 2: Like you'd think it'd be a no brainer for the

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Speaker 2: Penguins to start Skinner too and have that kind of

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Speaker 1: If you're muse and you play Skinner against Jari, that's

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Speaker 1: They're gonna look at Skinner having lost the two Stanley

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Speaker 1: The ones that are never happy, that look for something

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Speaker 2: Okay, but like Skinner is not a big deal to me.

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Speaker 1: Month from Skinners are rent till he's a placeholder for

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Speaker 1: Tom where morrishof stays in Wilkes the whole year, but

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Speaker 2: He's posting might at some point change that plan.

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Speaker 1: You know what they could do that they could send

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Speaker 1: No, they're worries with Gravy, they just haven't been realized

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Speaker 1: Watt from his brother JJ. It's the Mart Maddon Show,

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Speaker 1: brought to us this hour by Senderova, Schendorovitch and Fisherman.

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Speaker 1: They got your back, not your wallet, one oh five nine.

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Speaker 1: You know, I never talk about pro wrestling anymore because

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night is supposed to be John Cena's final match.

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Speaker 1: He's taken on Gun Throw on Saturday Night's made Events.

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Speaker 1: You're dumb enough to believe that he's only forty eight,

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Speaker 1: So you can look at tonight as this fawn farewell.

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Speaker 1: How many times has anybody who retired stayed retired? We've

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Speaker 1: been talking about the TJ Watt health situation. Here's JJ

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Speaker 1: Watt tweeting about his brother and I quote yesterday TJ

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Speaker 1: had successful surgery to stabilize and repair a partially collapse

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Speaker 2: Lot this year. He definitely has outperformed Wat in limited snaps,

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Speaker 2: and I think high Smith, when healthy, has clearly outperformed

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Speaker 1: Why Smith went health. He's been their defensive ENVA. I

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Speaker 2: Because you tell the truth, Mark, right, even if you're

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Speaker 1: In high Smith's but sometimes I'll conceal it if it's convenient.

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Speaker 1: If you don't mention it, it's not a lie.

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Speaker 2: But you have to also acknowledge there is a ripple

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Speaker 2: what has just not been effective at all. He's got

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Speaker 1: If he misses a couple games and the Steelers can

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Speaker 2: I am excited to see it, to see what the

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Speaker 2: where I'd be more excited to see it if they

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Speaker 2: didn't sign him to that freaking contract, all right, because

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Speaker 2: you can't cut him and much dead money. Imagine if

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Speaker 2: you didn't, though, Mark, and you could have this little

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Speaker 1: In the modern day warrior Jack Sawyer great point. I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised he didn't play as much as he did,

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Speaker 1: I sense that they think he's a he's a non

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Speaker 2: That's his calling card. He's going to be like a

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Speaker 2: he's going to be a run stuffing edge. That's what

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Speaker 2: definitely why you drafted him, right because all your edges

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Speaker 2: So you get Sawyer, but you don't use him in

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Speaker 2: This week's a perfect spot for him, Jamiir Gibbs. Next

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Speaker 1: This hour The Mark Man Show brought to us by Shandorovic,

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Speaker 1: Shendrovic and Fisherman. They got your back, not your wallet, Tom.

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Speaker 1: Next segment, I'm going to talk about it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a big question, and really shame on Dubas for trading

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Speaker 1: Jari because it kind of upstage. This is my main copic.

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Speaker 1: But don't answer now, save it for next segment. Has

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Speaker 1: Rogers been worth it? Is it a good thing that

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Speaker 1: of the same with a different quarterback. But in the interim, Tom,

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Speaker 1: tell me why the Steelers will win this game. Come

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Speaker 1: up with your best answer, because I can come up

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Speaker 1: with why Miami will win. I can't come up with

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Speaker 2: It's so inconsistent to rely on the Steelers run defense.

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Speaker 2: But there has been moments this year where he has

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Speaker 2: shut down good rushing attacks, great running backs. If they

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Speaker 2: can do that against the Dolphins, there's nothing else Miami

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Speaker 1: But but the Steelers defense has played horribly consistent on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, playing some pretty bad offenses, and the Steelers have

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Speaker 1: Like somebody said on Twitter that Miami's got this four

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Speaker 2: I mean, the.

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Speaker 1: Steelers are not a juggernaut. The Steelers are just another

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Speaker 1: middle of the road mad team. And I'm not so

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Speaker 1: sure that right now Miami's not better certainly playing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're definitely playing better than the Steelers are right now.

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Speaker 2: Running the football wise, it's light years ahead of the

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Speaker 2: Steelers right now. They know what their identity is. That's

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Speaker 2: something that you've been talking about for weeks with the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: What's the identity for this football team?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: And doestment Tom that the Steelers have no identity and

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Speaker 1: no physicality either. We got a sound bite later from

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Speaker 1: Bruce Arian saying that the Steelers don't play Steeler football.

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Speaker 1: I'll go one step further, Bay, the Steelers really don't

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Speaker 1: play any kind of football. They're not physical, they're not

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Matt Williamson pointed out this week, I think in

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Speaker 2: I mean, the defensive lines is getting blown back, new

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Speaker 2: lines and scrimmages are being established two three yards down

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Speaker 1: On you. I wonder if Cam gets a bonus for

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Speaker 1: getting blown off the ball all the time. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm tired of people saying, well, Cam's having a pretty

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Speaker 1: good season. Well, not by the definable metrics.

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Speaker 2: He's not. He's He's average at best. It's so funny

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Speaker 2: people reference Pro Football Focus for that, right, because that's

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Speaker 1: Say, reference Pro Football Focus whenever it's convenient to help

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Speaker 2: Now, here's my best bet for the Steelers winning.

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Speaker 1: If I define how they win, Rogers the DK like

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Speaker 1: at Baltimore, Miami soils the bid in cold weather. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and the defense gets takeaways because that if there's a

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Speaker 1: what second in the league. But you can't count on that.

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Speaker 1: It's so haphazard.

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Speaker 2: You can't count on that. And I don't think it

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Speaker 2: isn't pass with Tua. He knows he stinks. He averages

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Speaker 2: twenty one pass attempts in their four game streak. Like,

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Speaker 2: if you don't force them to throw the ball by

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the turnovers are gonna happen, you

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Speaker 1: Do you buy that the influence of cold weather hurts

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Speaker 1: They just happen to have home games at Miami.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this streak is just so over. I think

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Speaker 2: it's like twenty sixteen the last time since dipped below

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Speaker 2: forty degrees that the Dolphins have been able to win

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Speaker 2: a game. They won in New York last years.

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Speaker 1: That's like the Stumers have won how many straight timesday

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Speaker 1: Monday Night twenty two? Yeah, But then again, the two

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Speaker 2: But I do think there is something to it when

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Speaker 2: it comes to Tua, because you're right, there are players

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Speaker 2: who house they've played at other places, other teams. Well

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Speaker 2: that's my point. But two as a Hawaii boy went

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Speaker 2: I think there is something to it. With the most

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Speaker 1: Maybe the fat kid is still in concussion protocol and

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Speaker 1: they play legitimate tight ends and Friarmouth and John who

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Speaker 1: have a big game, or at least one of the

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Speaker 1: with Herbig too. Her Big has been playing under forty

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Speaker 2: They're just not creative enough as a defensive mind on

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Speaker 2: the coaching staff. You have three good to great edge

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Speaker 2: rushers and you just don't use them adequately enough. One

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Speaker 2: of them always takes the back seat. It always seems

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Speaker 2: to be her Big that takes the back seat. They

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Speaker 3: For wa.

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Speaker 2: Wat's just not been effective, and you'll see it this week.

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Speaker 2: When Wat's not out there, Herbig and Heigtsmith will get

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Speaker 1: I wonder what the opposition thinks when they watch tape

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Speaker 2: What are we supposed to do? We said that I

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Speaker 2: the Bears, Like it was so easy for him. He

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Speaker 1: I ignite the big debate. Has it been worth having

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Speaker 1: Here's a question I think worth asking at this point,

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Speaker 1: think it's time to discuss that because he's taken over

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Speaker 1: the offense. You got MVS in there, You've got Adam

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Speaker 1: for sure. And I asked, has it been worth bringing

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Speaker 1: in just because the Steelers are seven and six and

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Speaker 1: off than last year, and we remember how that ended.

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Speaker 1: They lost their last five games, one and done in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and that's eight straight years without a postseason win.

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Speaker 1: They just don't look no better. It looks samey, same,

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Speaker 1: It looks stale. Despite Aaron Rodgers had, for that matter,

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other acquisitions. They probably would be

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Speaker 1: doing worse with Rudolph at quarterback, probably, but maybe not.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think they'd be doin a lot worse.

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Speaker 1: And every seas spent with an old timey quarterback like

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Speaker 1: Ross and now Rogers, it's another season spent wallowing in

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Speaker 1: staleness and not moving forward. If all you want is

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Speaker 1: to win a playoff game, that could happen. It's a possibility.

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Speaker 1: But boy, the bar has been set low lately for

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Speaker 1: a team that's won six Super Bowls, and it shows

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Speaker 1: how incredibly haphazard the organization has become. So get your

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Speaker 1: call set up for next hour for calls on the fifteens.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's been worth bringing in Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm leaning toward no. Let's not talk

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Speaker 1: to Tommy Radio. Tom what do you think has Rogers

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Speaker 1: been worth it. What are the pros and cons?

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Speaker 2: If you are a fan of the status quo of

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Speaker 2: you know, weezing your way to nine wins, ten wins,

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Speaker 2: maybe having a puncher's chance to win a playoff game

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Speaker 2: because you have that veteran quarterback. Yes, it was worth

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Speaker 2: it for you. I'm not a fan of that anymore, though.

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Speaker 2: I want something different drastically, especially at that position. I

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Speaker 2: want younger at that position. No, this isn't worth it.

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Speaker 2: This is kicking the can down the road. This is

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Speaker 2: just delaying the inevitability. You need to get younger at

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Speaker 2: that quarterback position. It's been more fun than years pass

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Speaker 2: with Rogers. I don't think so. I don't have to

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Speaker 2: get there because Rodgers is cool. I like Roger. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's any different than it was with Russ.

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Speaker 2: Russ sucked, his personality was terrible. Russ's record at this

468
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Speaker 2: time last year was ten, but it was but Russ

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Speaker 2: was doing it. Their defense was a lot better last year.

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Speaker 2: I think at the beginning of the season, Rogers has

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Speaker 2: put this team on his back a lot more than

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. I think you're exaggerating. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think he's had a couple of good games and

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Speaker 1: a couple stinkers, and otherwise he's been just medio.

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Speaker 2: He's thrown for way more touchdown passes than Russell Wilson did,

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Speaker 2: way more.

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Speaker 1: They're seven and six, No, no doubt. Hey, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's worth it overall. Isn't it amazing the power

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Speaker 1: he's accrued and very quietly where mvs and and Fieland

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Speaker 1: are getting more snaps than yes, well, Wilson's not getting

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Speaker 1: a helmet and the third has been minimized, just like

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Speaker 1: Friarmouth and John who and I can't help but think

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Speaker 1: that what's happened with Friarmuth and John who has been

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Speaker 1: don to Rogers deciding it too.

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Speaker 2: He's in love with the fat kid, just like tomlin

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Speaker 2: And and Oppenheimer. And maybe he was the reason why

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Speaker 2: tom On and Oppenheimer fell in love with the fat

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Speaker 2: kids so much like maybe Rogers was the reason that

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Speaker 2: that was spurned on so much.

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Speaker 1: He fanned those flames. I get so much criticism for

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Speaker 1: making fun of the fat kid. Why well I can

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Speaker 1: because I'm fat. But but h and by the way,

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Speaker 1: are our weights are going in opposite directions? Me and

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Speaker 1: me and me and Darnell Washington. But people talk about

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Speaker 1: that that jumbo package and him the number one tight end.

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Speaker 2: What good's it done? They're running game stinks? What good

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Speaker 2: is all that big done. That's where it's supposed to

498
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Speaker 2: translate the most, too, is in the running game, and

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Speaker 2: they can't run the ball. They don't commit to running

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Speaker 2: the football despite being in love with that jumbo package,

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Speaker 2: which should translate to good running. You're so right about

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Speaker 2: him pulling the strings with the Roman Wilsons and the

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Speaker 2: Calvin Austins. He's so crafty about it too. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he has gas those two up all year long. Pat

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Speaker 2: Fryarmouth too said how great they are. He loves them.

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Speaker 2: They're great, but you can clearly see behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Please you heard what he said about MVS and about

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Speaker 1: feeling how things are so much more precise run there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it puts everybody in the right spacing, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 1: Now would it be any different or much worse with

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Speaker 1: Rudolph at quarterback?

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Speaker 2: I think it would be worse, not much worse, probably

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Speaker 2: like what six and seven, five and eight instead of

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Speaker 2: where they're at right now. I think they would probably

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Speaker 2: have won less win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair and still be in it

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Speaker 1: just as much as they are now, albeit with a

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Speaker 1: bit more.

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Speaker 2: Work to do and less optimism that you would probably

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Speaker 2: get it done. I have no optimism now.

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Speaker 1: I think if they do get whatever it is done,

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Speaker 1: it'll be because the division turned out to be crap

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Speaker 1: and Burrow got hurt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, isn't that where your optimism

525
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Speaker 2: is coming from them? Is that the Ravens just probably

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Speaker 2: aren't gonna get off the mat this year. It's just

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Speaker 2: gonna be a wasted year for them.

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Speaker 1: My only optimism, and I'll still be drawing breath at

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Speaker 1: six o'clock when this freaking show wraps up.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to give.

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Speaker 1: Rogers credit for carrying them to seven and six, well

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Speaker 1: they's still seven and six.

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Speaker 2: And you didn't get Rogers to just squeak in and

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Speaker 2: be won and done.

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Speaker 1: No, although you know what will be made a big

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Speaker 1: deal out of even if they win the division at

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Speaker 1: nine and eight Tech, If they win the division at

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Speaker 1: eight nine, they'll get those shirts we win the North,

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Speaker 1: the fans will buy them and that'll be Aaron Rodgers'.

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Speaker 2: Hero hatt and T shirt game. Yeah, if they win

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Speaker 2: a playoff game, I guess I'd have to say it'd

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Speaker 2: be worth it, because at the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 2: I said, win a playoff game this year, I think

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Speaker 2: it'd be a good season.

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Speaker 1: But man, I don't know in the moment would it

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Speaker 1: really feel that great. Yeah, you get the monkey off

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Speaker 1: your back, you finally end that streak. You got to

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Speaker 1: have a win in the playoffs, But it ultimately would

549
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Speaker 1: just lead to nowhere because you have a forty.

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Speaker 2: Two year old quarterback. Yeah, but now we have even

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Speaker 2: the slightly lower bar.

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Speaker 1: We could lose the first round playoff game, the wild

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Speaker 1: card round, but winning the division will be celebrated like

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Speaker 1: VJ Day.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, the hat and T shirt game. And

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Speaker 2: on top of that, if they just keep it close

557
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Speaker 2: right in the wild card game, like if they lose

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Speaker 2: by a field goal, ah, what a good try. Football

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Speaker 2: is back, you know, because they've been getting blown out

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Speaker 2: in these playoff games.

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Speaker 1: Well, my other point about Rogers is, after this year,

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Speaker 1: where does having Rogers and not succeeding greatly leave you?

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Speaker 1: Because Rogers hasn't been terrible, but he's not been great,

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Speaker 1: And then you're starting all over at quarterback again next year.

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Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins does it lead you to that he lit

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Speaker 2: it up on Thursday Night football? Do they do it

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Speaker 2: again with the veteran? I swear to god?

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Speaker 1: Do they bring in an another veteran? I will just

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Speaker 1: stop watching it. If I I'll do it All Penguins,

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Speaker 1: show all Penguins and beat them. Bucks one O five

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Speaker 1: ninety X.

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Speaker 4: From the Dollar Energy Fund Weather Center. This report is

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Speaker 4: sponsored by Flynn's Tire and Auto Service. Partly Cloudy Today's

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Speaker 4: slight chance of fleur. He's a high of thirty two.

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Speaker 4: Partly it's the Mark menad. If you're just tuning in.

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Speaker 4: Penguins traded Jari to Edmonton. I thought that would happen.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think it would happen. Now Jari and Samuel

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Speaker 4: Poulin and they get in return the.

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Speaker 1: Edmonton goolie Stewart Skinner who got them to the last

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Speaker 1: two Stanley Cup finals, defenseman Brett Kulac, and a second

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Speaker 1: round pick. I think in twenty twenty nine, when I'll

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Speaker 1: be dead, que Lax should probably go in the lineup,

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Speaker 1: I said. Waters Spoon's been struggling. We'll see what happens

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Speaker 1: tomorrow when the Penguins host San Jose at PPG for

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Speaker 1: a third straight home game, having lost the first two.

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Speaker 1: Having lost three straight home games dating back to before

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Speaker 1: the road trip. Ricard Rickel's been activated, so it looks

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Speaker 1: like he could be in the lineup tomorrow. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: the temptation would be to put Requel with Sid and Russ,

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Speaker 1: but with Gino out, if he's still out, I might

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Speaker 1: put Raquel at center for the time being, because the

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Speaker 1: Penguins is a one line team.

593
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the kids are playing good.

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Speaker 1: We have Rutger McGroarty on the show at three thirty,

595
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Speaker 1: but they're not scoring, so I might try to divvy

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Speaker 1: up a little of the firepower and have for Kel

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Speaker 1: center the second line. Tom I break news on this show,

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Speaker 1: and I remember to I probably should have said this

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Speaker 1: at the top of the program, but I have it

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Speaker 1: from an unimpeachable source that the driving force behind Penn

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Speaker 1: State firing James Franklin, the.

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Speaker 2: Football coach, was Terry Pagola.

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Speaker 1: They're a big donor to the hockey program, the owner

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Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Sabers and the Buffalo Bills, and that

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Speaker 1: he paid Franklin's buyout of nine million dollars out of

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Speaker 1: his own pocket.

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Speaker 2: That's how anxious he was to get rid of James Franklin.

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Speaker 1: Again, I thought they did that prematurely after Franklin had

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Speaker 1: had a good run at Penn State. I can't help

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00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: but wonder if there was personal animosity there. And I'll

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Speaker 1: leave it for others to decide if a booster should

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Speaker 1: make that decision based.

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Speaker 2: On the size of his pocketbook. For me to decide that,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Like that's a really sticky situation in true.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm not denying that. I'm saying, like the

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Speaker 2: fact that Pegoula had that kind of influence and was

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Speaker 2: able to do that. I mean, he's essentially the owner

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Speaker 2: of Penn State football, right, Like he would be like

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Speaker 2: a Rooney to the.

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Speaker 1: Penn to me, like, he's essentially the owner of Penn

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Speaker 1: State and State University. Yeah, So that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: vibe that you're getting from it. But it's not that's

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Speaker 1: the problem with Nil. Yes, the power that guys like

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Speaker 1: him get it's not just him, right, all right, right,

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00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: And and those guys always were there with their money,

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Speaker 1: but when it had to be kept quiet, the power

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Speaker 1: wasn't as lot, If that makes any sense, You were.

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Speaker 2: Able to say no as a university back then, right

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Speaker 2: because Pogle couldn't make like a big public stink about it.

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Speaker 2: I think Pagol was still.

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Speaker 1: Could have bought out Franklin's contract before nil, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: But you, like you said, he was always under the

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Speaker 2: you know you have to sweep that under the rug, right, No, No,

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Speaker 2: with with the coach, I don't think it has to be.

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Speaker 2: You're probably right about that. It's always had to be.

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Speaker 2: What do we got for the trifecta top?

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Speaker 1: For today's trifecta mark per your request, we are going

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Speaker 1: with top three sports center anchors. These are my top

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Speaker 1: three sports center anchors. This is a very polarizing topic,

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Speaker 1: ripe for debate. We're gonna want calls in about this,

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Speaker 1: about this fifteen, but most I want you to tell

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Speaker 1: me if Rogers coming to the steel has turned out

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Speaker 1: to be worth it. That's calls on the fifteens A three, three, four,

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Speaker 1: one two WXDX. We got Tim Benz at the top

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Speaker 1: of the hour, But go ahead, top three sports center anchor.

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Speaker 2: I'll just fire mine off because this is, like I said,

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Speaker 2: there's so much discussion here. Number three is Kenny Maine.

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Speaker 2: Number two. I'm going to that VP. Yeah, I love

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Speaker 2: Kenny Maye. This is my trifact. This is my last

650
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Speaker 2: SVP at number two, Scott Van Pelt, and I'm going

651
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Speaker 2: with number one, Dan Patrick the goat.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I go with Dan Patrick number one. He's going

653
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Speaker 1: to Golberman number two.

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Speaker 2: I doesn't know how you Jerman fan. I recognize his

655
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: greatness though at Sports Center, his.

656
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: Greatness is unparalleled because he was semi baby face, semi

657
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: heel and played off Patrick tremendously Patrick straight Man. Yeah,

658
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: I don't put Berman in there. I thought he was

659
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: too over the top.

660
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: And is he really an anchor?

661
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: Really?

662
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: Like he's more like a post studio as you call

663
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Speaker 2: him anchor.

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Speaker 1: He did a lot of anchor stuff. I might put

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Speaker 1: Van Pelt third, I might. I might put Steve Levy third,

666
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: But the problem with Levy and Boucie is I think

667
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: of them more.

668
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: As hockey guys. Their sleeper picks, though, and Linda kne two,

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Speaker 2: and then it comes more than a sleeper pick. She

670
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Speaker 2: might be number four on my list, like right on

671
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Speaker 2: the outside looking.

672
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Speaker 1: If you made me pick a third, though, I'd probably

673
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Speaker 1: say Scott van Pelt behind Patrick and Oberman.

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Speaker 2: And I noticed neither of us mentioned Stuart Scott, No,

675
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Speaker 2: Skiet Scott's not on my list. SVP still doing it

676
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: at such a great level. It's the only really watchable

677
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: sports center. It might be the only piece of original

678
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: programming that ESPN has that you can actually stomach. Is

679
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: the late night Sports Center hosted by Scott Van.

680
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Speaker 1: It's not a game or yes, a desk show, you know,

681
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: with the game and you know, I you know, and

682
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Speaker 1: I gotta admit. I mean, like, I'm not a college

683
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: football fan, but I think Game Day's gone way too.

684
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: Over the top. Okay, I love Game Day. I'm not

685
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: a true you know, disciple of the original sports center

686
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: anchors at their height of their power because I was

687
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: like four years old, right, like you'd say the mid

688
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 2: to late nineties was when they were really hitting their peak, right,

689
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: like with the Patricks and the Scotts and those guys.

690
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: But SVP, when I was becoming a sports fan and

691
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: entering my prime, like he was the anchor for me.

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00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: Don't don't disagree with that at all. Yeah, So like

693
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Speaker 2: for my generation, I think we're SVP guys.

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Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about Stewart Scott, who has

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00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: this you know, Big thirty for thirty out on him. Okay,

696
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Speaker 1: I didn't get it, and it doesn't mean I think

697
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: he sucks. It doesn't mean I'm denigrating him. You know,

698
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Speaker 1: years after his death. I just didn't get it. Didn't

699
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: get it then, And I think it was Oberman who said,

700
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Speaker 1: I don't think quoting the latest rap song makes you

701
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: a good sports anchor. And that's my opinion on Stuart Scott.

702
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty good, like kid be in

703
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: my top ten or twelve.

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00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know if he's deserving of an

705
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: isolated thirty for thirty. The thirty for thirty if you're

706
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: gonna do it about that, days of Sports Center should

707
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: be all encompassed over the.

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Speaker 1: Let's be blunt. I don't say this flippantly. He got

709
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: it because he's died, died prematurely, yeah, exactly, died young,

710
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: battle cancer, became a hero because of it, and rightly so. Sure,

711
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean he's the talent he's being made

712
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: out to be, because I don't think he was.

713
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: And you can have a nice little portion of this, uh,

714
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Speaker 2: spanning wide spanning thirty for thirty be about Stuart Scott

715
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: in his fight, but I think you should give a

716
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: lot of the other anchors credit to not just isolate

717
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: on him. What's your beef with Kenny Mayne? Why do

718
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: you hate Kenny Maine so much?

719
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Speaker 1: Boring? He's funny, boring, charge of the Light Brigade spelled

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Speaker 1: l I t E. Don't just just not not terrible professional,

721
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: just boring.

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Speaker 2: And what about John Anderson. I feel like everybody forgets

723
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: about John Anderson. He's been around forever.

724
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Speaker 1: When I worked for ESPN and I went up there

725
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: a couple of weekends to do weekend radio with like

726
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Shawn Salisbury because they were kind of eyeing me up

727
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: and I guess didn't like me and didn't like my

728
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh accent. In a national radio form told me that

729
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: point blank. They named my weekend show, which I did,

730
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, uh, Saturdays and Sundays. For about a year

731
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: or so, they called it outside the Lines because they

732
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: wanted to hear me mispronounced as they were like making

733
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: fun of me. But but getting back to John Anderson,

734
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Speaker 1: I met it when I was up there. Total ass

735
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: really totals okay surprising. I feel like he would have

736
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: dress a good guy, Patrick, great guy, asked, but in

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Speaker 1: kind of a a way you respect e gauging way. Yeah, yeah, Salisbury.

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Speaker 1: Great guy, Stuart Scott. Okay, kind of full of himself.

739
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Speaker 1: You know what Stuart Scott did that Salisbury flipped out about. Uh,

740
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: we were on the air, me and Salisbury. He needed

741
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Speaker 1: to find something out from Salisbury. He came in during

742
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Speaker 1: the show, shut off Salisbury's mic and asked him a question.

743
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: We had like dead air for thirty seconds and then

744
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Speaker 1: he walked out and uh, after the break, Salisbury. When

745
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Speaker 1: we got to the brake, Salisbury flipped out. He went

746
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: running down the hall yelling at it was never do

747
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: that again. How dare you do that to me? No?

748
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what he said, but he was bellowing,

749
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: bellowing up. Next, gonna talk Steelers with Tim Ben's Mark

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Speaker 1: Man one oh five to nine