WEBVTT - 10-29-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.800 Don't want to be an American. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.280 It's flowing you back on seven hundred WW. Blocks do 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:10.959 in the city all, If anything, it's not boring. We 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.480 have the police chief controversy. We have a contentious hearing 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.800 yesterday on food trucks as somehow having a role in 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.800 the violence downtown. You know, if you just have feeding people, 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.880 then the violence goes away. Maybe there's something there with Snap. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.680 I don't know. She's councilmember Anna Olby on the show 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:29.560 on seven hundred WW, and she's in a very tight 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.400 council racers. Three thousand people running for the handful of 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.320 seats left and it's going to be musical chairs in 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.320 just a few days. For sure, Anna, welcome back. How 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:38.560 are you? 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.920 I thinks I appreciate it? And three thousand might be 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:42.600 a little bit. 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.280 Feels like I'm bad at math I'm bad at the maths, 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.559 but it feels like three We'll just go three thousand. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.479 Let's start with this, the Snap hearing. The commissioners did 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.440 this yesterday. You were there, I saw you on camera. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.280 Wave to you. But any way back, that's fine. What 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.080 is the city role to help with the really? What 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.320 can the city do if indeed on Saturday, snap benefits 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.880 go away for one in eight people in Hamlin County, 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:09.280 which is also Cincinnati. 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.080 Yeah, thanks for this. Let me just start by laying 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.480 out the state of where we are. I don't know 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.520 how many your listeners actually watched that, but the county 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.880 shared yesterday some of the numbers. So across the county, 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.319 we have over fifty three thousand adults and over forty 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.360 three thousand children who are benefiting from SNAPS every month. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.080 So when we think about this Saturday, those benefits are 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.080 not going to be available. And across the county that 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:41.360 represents over nineteen million dollars of food assistant benefits, and 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.759 I know for the city of Cincinnati that's over twenty 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.600 nine thousand households. So this is a real crisis moment 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.520 where families, according to the head of Freestore Food Bank, 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.520 they get nine out of ten meals with their SNAP 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:59.720 benefits and Freestore other local pantries only be one out 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.240 of ten meal, right, so we're about to lose funding 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.000 for nine one to ten meals for these these thousands 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.240 incredible people. Yeah, it's a true crisis. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.200 I had Kurt Rye around from free Store on Monday 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.440 show and he's he's concerned. I mean, he couldn't really say, 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:15.760 oh my god, you know, we don't what we're gonna do, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.560 so like, hey, listen, you know we have some reserves. 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.799 We're going to lean on the local communities and trying 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.720 to get more out of our vendors. And also we 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.040 may have to start instead of once a month, we 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:26.720 have to do twice a month. So the demand's going 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.400 to increase even more, putting in a ready strain. But 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.360 and think about it heading into the holiday season here, 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.480 with Thanksgiving and then Christmas coming up, the really busy 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:36.880 time in the winter, when people are colder. Uh, people 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.200 are cold and hungry. It's going to put a strain 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:41.799 already on an overstrained system. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.080 Yeah, one hundred percent. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:44.760 Uh. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.520 I'm really really worried about what this means when families, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.600 you know, are looking at their budget and now they 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.760 have to decide do we buy a meal or do 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.640 we pay rent? Do we pay our utility bill? Right, 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.000 this is going to make impossible, you know, impossible decisions, 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:00.600 don't I don't know either. 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.960 I wish I wish Washington would just go, look, okay, 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.720 we made our point, let's let's end this thing and 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:11.320 work towards compromise. But it's not about people. It's about politics. 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.000 And that's what Washington, that's what politics has become. It's 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.239 about protecting our party and our brand, whatever that is. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.760 I one hundred percent agreed. Right, Ultimately, this is a 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.440 federal government problem and we need the federal government to 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.440 solve it. And so yesterday you heard it from the 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.840 county commissioners, and I agree, we should have our lallmakers 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.120 in Washington at the table talking about how do we 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.480 come up with some type of emergencies to beat for snaps. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.680 You know, they were able to dig up three hundred 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.200 million dollars from care funds to help keep with going 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.320 for a few more week weeks. Why can't they do 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.640 something for snaps? And instead we've got a president who's 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.840 on an international tour right now, isn't even in the country, 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.000 and we're going to have millions of people going hungry 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:49.480 starting Saturday. 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.600 Oh you need Congress to do that, right. I mean 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.200 the point of you know, this is a debate outside 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.240 our scope here in the city because you can't control 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.760 subsidies and how things are handed out, and that's really 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:01.480 part of the problem here. And I understand the stand 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.520 that they're making with Republican Democrats. But you know, now 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.680 it's time to put the swords down and try to 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.440 come to some common ground and solve this issue, because 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.040 the problem is healthcare is way out of control. Whether 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.240 you talk to a Republican or Democrat, we all agree 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:18.240 on that you just can't continue subsidizing. And Republicans don't 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.919 really have a plan to fix healthcare. So there's our problems. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.080 And I'll be let's pivot a little bit here to 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.160 the food truck hearing now when this happened. To bring 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.520 those listening up to speed. If you're listening, okay, we'll 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.200 refresh my memory on this one. I got lots go 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.359 to my mind, Sloan, I got you so August fifteenth, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.040 it was even earlier than that was. I think maybe 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.159 September or later in that September. Anyway, there's a hearing 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.680 about food trucks and basically, hey, you know where we 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.800 had the hookah bars and hookah lounges or some food 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.760 trucks around and the street violence and the food trucks 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.440 are open late and these tend to get people congregating 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.400 around it to eat, and then violence breaks out and 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.040 so sure, along in her wisdom said, you know what, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.320 We're just going to omn issue an edict that says, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:01.719 now we've got to shut the food trucks down at 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.480 eleven PM, which I took a great issue with. It's like, well, 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.800 they're there to feed people, you're there to police and 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.080 keep the streets safe. So if I want to I 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.560 don't know a hot I want to cheese cony or 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.080 slice of pizza or a taco, where the hell it 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.279 is at two o'clock in the morning, when the bars closed, 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:17.920 I should be able to get that from a street 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.840 vendor who's there legally. I'm there legally. Why are we 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.359 shutting down and punishing good people? 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:24.040 I agree? 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.160 To be clear, I agree, and I think you know, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.640 I know you watched Yester's committee meetings. So just to 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.120 clarify again, the decision to change the closed time closing 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.800 time to eleven PM was purely from this city administration. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:40.159 Council was not asked or prepped about this ahead of time. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.159 So when it was announced, you know, I immediately caught 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.279 up and was asking lots of questions, and I asked 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.680 them again yesterday, what is the data showing that food 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.440 trucks are specifically causing these issues. And honestly, yesterday I 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.520 heard a lot of talk about people being maybe overserved, right, 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.680 they're too drunk and that's causing issues, and that's the 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.360 separate issues. But food trucks are small businesses. And to 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.080 your point, I think if someone is coming out of 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.600 the bar at two in the morning, they should be 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.160 able to get their taco before they had or their 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.560 hamburger whatever like that. And we want the city to 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.000 be a fun place to hang out, right, we want 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.200 the city to have a lively nightlife and food trucks 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.520 and people being out and being able to get a 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.839 bite to eat as part of that vibrancy. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.480 For me, yeah, do you think Mordecai Black would have 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.080 not murdered Patrick Herringer if he was able to get 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.480 a cheese coney instead. That's just the dumbest logic I've 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:33.880 ever heard. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.440 Well, I'm not going to get into that part, but 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.599 I mean, in terms of how we're going to handle 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.400 this food truck regulations, I think there's two parts of this, right. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.840 There's one part of what is the data showing that 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.760 food trucks are the issue here? La other part is 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.880 what is the impact economically on these small businesses, right, 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.159 And I was really disappointed to hear that the city 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.880 administration had yet to even talk with the food truck 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.800 administrations or any of the food trucks or even the 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.040 business owners the bars, right. And Vice Mayor Kearney brought 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.039 up yesterday that she talked to some of the bars 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:06.840 and they were like, yeah, we love having these food 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.600 trucks here. We don't have a kitchen or the kitchen 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:13.040 isn't open, you know, and closing right so letting patrons 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.119 come out and grab a bite to eat is something 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.360 that you know, the bars themselves appreciate, and you have 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.120 to think about I have to assume these food trucks 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.480 have most of their get most of their revenue at 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.840 those late night hours to right, So closing at eleven 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.640 PM just seems crazy to me. And then not to 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.240 be able to come yesterday prepared with the data to 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.000 show us that there's a direct cause and effects between 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.360 food truck hours and some of these incidents that they're reporting, 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:42.400 I just I was very frustrated about and hopefully in 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.040 two weeks when we come back to this, that the 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.560 administration will be better prepared to make the case she made. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.720 This isn't sure along correct, This is all on her. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.720 This is a city administration working. I mean, I know 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.360 synthetic police was also part of part of the decision making, 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.360 or at least based on kind of the whe the 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:01.360 officers were making. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:03.360 Yeah, how does a curfew impact then? 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.760 Great question because I do see this as kind of 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.560 thing you mentioned hookah bars, right, So if we're implementing 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.160 a curfew, we're saying, you know, closing down hookah bars, 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:15.800 which I agree with. By the way, we were seeing 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.040 real issues with hookah bar specifically, and hookah bars sell 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.400 into a weird loophole at the state level when it 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.480 came to regulation, so it's good that we took care 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.880 of that. So if we have curfew hookah bars, now 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.800 we're closing food trucks right back to that vibrant feed downtown, right, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.080 we don't want downtown to be a ghost town every 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.280 Sriday and Saturday night. So I do think there is 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.000 a real question to be had of like what do 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.920 we imagine a fun downtown space to look like? How 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.400 do we help support those businesses? Right, We've got too 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.000 many restaurants going out of business, so how can we 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.440 help them. How can we help the bar stand business? 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.080 And if we just start shutting everything down, it's going 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.000 to make it really hard on our business owner. 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.840 Yeah, I mean, and I appreciate the work the hustle here. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.719 It's like, hey, listen, you know, it's really expensive to 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.400 keep a brick and mortar going. We see restaurants closing 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.560 opening all the time. If I just took my wares 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.080 and put it in a food truck, now I could 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.480 sell maybe a few things from my menu or you 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.800 know some long those are maybe I just specialized in 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.920 doing some really good food. I can get the wheels, 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.040 I get the kitchen, I get the health permit, fire inspection. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:18.959 You get all that done, and then I turn around, 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.520 and now the city goes, well, now you got to 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.679 close at eleven, Well, you know, I would imagine from 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.360 eleven to two or three am, that's you're probably making 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.400 a lot of money as the bars closed, as the 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.880 club's let out, or there's an event downtown, a ball game, 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.680 a concert, whatever it might be. That's where you're making 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.480 your bank. And we're shutting that down. Why because we 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.640 can't control violence. It's a separate issue. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.480 I think these are separate issues. Exactly, And that's why 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.560 I was really pushing on the city administration, our captain 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.040 and our Assistan city manager yesterday. I'm like, show me 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.559 the data, show me the relationships here. You know, I 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:56.559 can appreciate that big crowds at drunk people can be unruly. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.640 But again, if the problem is that people are being 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.640 over served in the bar so they're blackout, drunks, you know, 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.080 causing issues, well let's go deal with that problem, right, 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.680 That is a separate issue than to a small business 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.960 trying to feed some people late night through food truck. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.680 Yeah. But here's the thing. Well, you know we're over served, 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.480 people are drinks, theyre having drinks. Okay, fine, Then why 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.480 do we have street festivals? Why why do we have 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.959 Taste of Cincinnati, Why do we have Octoberfest? Why do 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.680 we all these things downtown that serve alcohol where people 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.280 are getting served and then turn around it's again the 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.880 argument doesn't stand is because the city endorses all this stuff. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.640 The city endorses those events. I don't see how this 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.040 is any different other than that's a you know, probably 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:39.960 a Thursday, Friday, Saturday night thing. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.600 Yeah, and you know, there was some discussion to as 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.800 the administration talks to this around like the idea of 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.760 the food trucks on a normal day, right, separate from festivals, 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:52.640 TV in any place they're popping up their logic park wherever. Okay, great, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.400 you know I asked questions around. Okay, have we thought 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.439 about designating specific spots? Have we thought about how that 0:10:58.480 --> 0:10:59.440 could work with termiting? 0:10:59.559 --> 0:10:59.679 Right? 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.480 Almost every city in the nation probably has had food trucks, right, 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.760 This is not a unique cocatty thing. 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.600 Yeah. All over the world. You know, you travel abroader 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.280 like they've got food trucks at three or four in 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.959 the morning and there are people out there taking a 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:15.559 machine gun out and spraying people. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.360 It's not happening exactly, And especially as I know Cincinnati is. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.599 We can look to other cities and say, oh, what 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.599 are the regulations that they're using with food trucks to 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.520 be able to make sure that things aren't getting out 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.440 of control. So that again with some of the pushback 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.200 I was adding to administration yesterday, which was, hey, there 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.000 are other solutions and options here. If there are you know, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.480 XYZ issues, Why didn't we do any research into how 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.079 other CITs that's restless? And the other thing I was 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.920 really shocked by yesterday is in the presentation. So this 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.720 I think the food truck rule was changed in twenty 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.280 twenty three. They said they had no issues in twenty 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.920 twenty three, no issues, in twenty twenty four, got through 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.040 half of twenty twenty five, or at least the first 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.360 part twenty twenty five no issues, and then it was 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.880 just this summer where they saw some issues. I tried 0:11:59.920 --> 0:12:03.240 to asking, Okay, what caused that? You know, what type 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.760 of problem solving did we do? And I just think 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.040 ultimately we took an administration took a big swing here 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.079 without really doing some of the leg work to look 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.439 at what actually happened here. What are the problems we 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.280 need to solve versus punishing businesses that aren't doing anything wrong. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.400 Well, you're being very polite, council Member Albe, and that's saying, well, 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.040 they took a big swing here. No, it's incompetence, is 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.880 what it is. I mean, you're looking for all these 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.520 straw men to blame the violence problems on, saying well, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.920 it's this, it's that's all these little it's not it's 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.000 it's a lack of leadership within the administration on that point, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.760 whether it's this with the food trucks, or the way 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.599 the Harringer homicide was handled, or the street violence, the 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.280 beatdown where the you know, the person is charged later 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.120 and it was completely racially motivated. This whole thing is 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.240 to me an indictment on the same administration. Do you 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.040 think it's time for new leadership specifically? Now we'll see 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:56.719 what the mayoral race. I think Aftab is going to 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.920 win re election, but is sure along the right person 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:00.600 for this job. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.360 Here's what I can say. I know the administration over 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.800 the summer is being really responsive to issues that we saw, 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.320 and there were issues, let's be clear, you know. 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:11.400 And I can respect them. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.040 I know they're even with this. I'm going to go 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:14.520 back to this food trucks and such. What we've been 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.880 digging in on, you know, this food truck policy is 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.439 my understanding, was really in response to some of what 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.840 they were hearing from our officers. The officers saying there 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.600 are the hot these hot spots. You know, we think 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.360 that food trucks are creating the hot spots because people 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.640 are gathering here. And I want to respect the fact 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.200 that that's our officers coming back and giving that feedback. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:35.840 But to me, there just needs to be a little 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.320 bit more like work on Okay, what are the specific incidents? 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.319 How many are there? Is it one specific truck that's 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.599 causing the issue? Is it one specific block, right, and 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.520 trying to do a little bit more problem solving that 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.760 specific to either that truck or that's that specific spot 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:57.040 versus again this wide uh you know eleven pm cut 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.800 off that that impacts all these trucks that aren't doing 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.400 a thing wrong. So again I want to be responsive 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.400 to to problem solving and understanding what our officers are 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.640 seeing on our streets and doing all that. But we 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.079 got to look at the data and we've kind of 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.120 look at you know, what are the specific exues that 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:17.319 it solve for this problem versus punishing small businesses that 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:18.200 are doing the right thing. 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.680 And this all these of course of the termination of 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.240 Chief Teresa Thijia. I mean, when you have a when 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.840 you have an administration that and let's go back to 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.360 when thiji was hired three years ago. I was looking 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.760 at her comments following her being sworn in and said, no, 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:35.560 this is we're gonna we got to look at diversity, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.440 equity and inclusion. We've got to continue the path we're 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.760 on right now with the community and make sure we're 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.680 engaging with people on the street. And okay, I get 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.120 that at the time. Now you've got the food truck thing, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.160 You've got the curfews that looked like they didn't work 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.040 because the people are you know, they're still young people 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.600 out there doing what they do. You're empowering activists like 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.880 iris Ralli where she's interfering with police work. So we've 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.960 had a track record now and a bad policy decision saying, 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.440 you know, we're gonna treat criminals like victims and we're 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:05.960 gonna give them a slap on the wrist when they 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:07.720 get to court, and we're gonna let them out with 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:09.560 a two dollars bond, or we're gonna give them an 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:10.760 o R and they're gonna go out and get a 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:12.760 gun and shoot someone or cut their ankle, monor off. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.120 We're not gonna take this seriously. The mayor refuses to 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.360 lean on judges. You have these policies coming down from 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.040 people like shil Long and then you turn around and 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.320 fire Thiji. To me, that's like the food truck thing 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.240 all over again. You're blaming the wrong person. It's the 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.960 policies and how you handle things in the series and 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.000 of how you take crime and how you hold people 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.760 accountable as opposed to all this other stuff out there 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.720 in the ether. And I think and all, but it's 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.200 gonna it hurts people like you because I mean, let's 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.200 face it, I mentioned three thousand people running for council seats. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.080 You're one of the people could be displaced by this. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.480 The voters are not gonna blame AFTAP, They're gonna blame 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:47.000 someone like you. 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.480 Well, I'm definitely out there talking to our voters, and 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.800 I'll be honest. You know, I was in a community 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.040 council meeting and Price Hill and to kind of that 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.560 was a lot you just threw out it. One of 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.360 the things that the person, uh you know, stood up 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.600 and they have some questions, but they still up and 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.160 they said, you know, Cincinnati has the best police force 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.760 in the nation. And I agree, right, But I think 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.360 a key part of that is the fact that we 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.480 have the collaborative agreement that we as a city did 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.520 the work in the early two thousands to make sure 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.920 our police force is the best in the nations. We 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:25.320 do work with community and across Right, this is the 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.920 collaboration stick key word there, right, No one person alone 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.880 can fix anything, right, These are these are big things, 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.720 and so having that collaboration across lallmakers, police force, and 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.560 the community is a really important part to how we 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.280 function as a city and how we keep everyone safe. So, 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.800 you know, those are values that I uphold, and I. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.840 Also I think Anna my point is those things can exist, 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:50.920 they can coexist, and that's fine. You know, we shouldn't 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.480 be beating down on people who are What I'm saying 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.880 is is like we we look at criminals now and 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.560 treat them as victims as well, and that's part of 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.560 the problems. There's people that look at the way policing 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.280 has changed and the collaborative agreement and the IRIS Raleigh Paul, 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.000 these policies, hands off policies, and there's people to go, ow, 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.040 I respect that. You know, the police are great, They're 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.600 keeping my neighborhood safe. And what winds up happening is 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.240 there's the small percentage of criminals of sociopaths out there 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.359 that are exploiting that and we refuse to treat them 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.040 like the criminal, repetitive criminal element that they are. We're 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.479 looking at reasons to why we need to release them 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.000 rather than reasons we lock them up, and you know 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.440 where that hurts the same people. These policies are that 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:29.360 are protect. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.800 You know what I think about what a safe community 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.840 looks like. I always say a safe community is one 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.760 where people are being paid enough to bard a roof 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.959 of their head, fresh food and table, access to healthcare, 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.240 and where kids have safe spaces right, and we can 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.600 get all of that right, I think we've done a 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.920 pretty good job. So when I as a lawmaker look 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.919 at what can we do to strengthen our community, it's 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.560 it's a guest and pollution where we're doing all of 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.240 those right. How do we help people get good paying jobs. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.359 How do we build more housing so there's more housing 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.639 options out there, How do we help people get access 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.000 to healthcare? And you know, we just talked about SNAP 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:08.359 and food. I am very very worried about what SNAP 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.760 not being issued on this Saturday. What that is going 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:13.880 to do to our residents. Like we talked about, people 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:14.840 are going to be desperate. 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:15.800 What does that mean? 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.800 So whatever we can do to help stabilize families right 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.800 and meet people's basic needs, to me, that's ultimately what's 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:25.720 going to make for a safer community. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.600 A council member I'll be I wish you all the 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.520 best between now an election day, I really do, and 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.919 we'll pick up the pieces, as we say, probably sometime 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.399 after the election. But I always appreciate the time and 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.000 your thoughtfulness. Thanks for jumping on this, Morne. 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:41.680 Thanks much, take care, good luck. 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.359 All the best. Scott's Loan Show with news in just 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:50.760 minutes on seven hundred W ALW Scott Slum Show here 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.280 on seven hundred WW. Welcome to got lots going on 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.760 in this wet Wednesday morning, but weeks half over. It's 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:58.879 all good. Thanks again to council member, and I'll be 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:00.000 on the show a few minutes ago. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:00.240 Oh. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.000 I know she's a she's seeking office and she's a Democrat, 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.800 but seeing some common ground here, I mean, first and foremost, 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.560 I don't care a Democrat Republican. The government shutdown right 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.399 now is nonsense. And you know the idea as well, 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.840 if we could just get the Democrats to admit they're wrong. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:19.560 When the Democrats are going, if we could just get 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.399 the Republicans to admit they're wrong, what we need to 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.359 do is force them to that they're both wrong. Is 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.040 that you sit down. He made your point, Now figure 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.040 it out. Fix it, and I get it. We know 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.080 we're just subsidizing stuff, and the Democrat existence is to 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.399 subsidize it. We got subsidize, We've got a subsett we 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.400 need more subsidy, which means what it means you're still 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:41.440 spending well even more money on things in order to 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.160 make it affordable for people. So basically, like the Democrats 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.280 are about giving out coupons, it's a coupon, it's a voucher. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.359 Got a coupon, Well, it's a coupon. Well, I know, 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.040 food or healthcare, it's this much, but here's a coupon 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.200 for eighty percent off fifty percent. Great, but who's paying 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.520 for that? Well, we all are, So we're just borrowing 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.159 more money we don't have. We have a thirty eight 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.840 trillion dollar deficit, and there's complicity there. The other side 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:08.840 of it is and I've yet to hear an argument 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.800 from Republicans as to how you fix healthcare. Because we're 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.800 in benefit season right now. It's time to make those 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.320 tough decisions. See how much more you're going to cause 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:18.880 it's going to come out of your check for how 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:20.920 less coverage you're going to wind up don And it's 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.960 not because you know your evil corporate overlords want it 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:25.600 that way. It's the way the system it's jacked up. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.240 You know, if we don't like Adaca, if we don't 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.399 like affordable care, if a logal of subsidy, you have 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.440 the power controlling both sides, both the House and the 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.400 Senate and the Presidency, to be able to maybe implement 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.920 something to fix it. So give me a plan. Say 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.040 what you all about subsidies, which I hate, but it 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.360 does something for people. If it's broken, it doesn't work, 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:48.600 and subsidies are terrible, then then come up with a 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.320 way to fix the healthcare system. And yet what do 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.680 we do we have My side is right, your side 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.840 is wrong. We have a government that is not functioning. 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.600 We have a Congress that can't pass a budget. They 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.040 have one job. And in my lifetime now there have 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.720 been two times where we've balanced the budget. We haven't 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:08.680 be able to do that the other three thousand years 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:13.520 I've been alive. Not good, not good. To blame. Well, 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.280 Trump's out in the dead in another country, and it's 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.640 not on Trump, it's on Congress. Now can he say 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.600 something that maybe encourage Yeah, I guess, but again that 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.920 you're not understanding the most basic sense of government is 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.960 it is the United States Congress, and when they don't 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.159 do stuff, then what happens is we give all the 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.720 power to the president, either Biden or in this case Trump, 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.760 and he uses his pen and executive power to write 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:41.440 an executive order when Congress should be doing this stuff. Okay, 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:45.440 I get it. You made your point. Time to probably 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.440 pass another continuing resolution, kick the can down the road 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.400 for another and shut it down in seven weeks we'll 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.200 have this conversation again. It's exhausting, is what it is. 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.679 Relative to Anna Alby, And I think it's interesting now 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.200 we have more evidence here of the incompetence of share 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.560 Along in particular. And I would say aftered, pure vol 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:05.320 put them in the same boat. And if I'm a 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:07.760 if are in council right now, like I don't, I'll 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:09.639 be I would not be as genteel as she was, 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.840 uh and worried about party politics and kissing the ring 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:14.920 and everything else, because after have puervoal is going to 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.280 cost somebody their seat. Now he's going to wind up 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:21.520 getting re elected. Could I be wrong? Absolutely been wrong before. 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.200 But if you look at the fundraising, if you look 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:27.760 at the power of the incumbency and everything else, and 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:29.960 it's not an insult of all the Corey Bowman. Then 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:33.560 Corey's a great guy. He's got some decent ideas. But 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:37.800 being a pastor who is related to JD. Vance in deep, 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:42.880 deep blue Cincinnati is not good. There's baggage already. People 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:44.280 are going to pay attention, people are just going to 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:46.320 tune them out instantly, and so by default have to 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.760 have wins. Could I be wrong? Could we have the 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:53.480 huge upset? Sure one hundred percent. Is it possible, But 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:58.280 it's unlikely. I think what's more likely are how voters 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.720 respond relative to the city council. It feels like, you know, 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.560 I can't change that with Aftab, but I sure as 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:10.040 hell can change the makeup of counsel, and probably for 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.080 the better. So I don't understand if you are one 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.960 of these folks, and maybe it's for office later on 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:17.840 down the line or another appointment or something like that. 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:21.120 If you kiss the ring, you get that. Maybe that's 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.280 part of politics, I guess is if you are the 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.639 good soldier, you'll get rewarded somewhere along the line, but 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:28.680 in the short term you're out of a job. I 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.520 just think voters are pissed off enough to start holding 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.960 people accountable. If it can't be aftabed, maybe it's someone 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.399 else on counsel. That's unfortunate, because I think we've got 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:37.920 some good and a few people that maybe not so 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:40.240 good on council will probably have to go anyway. But nonetheless, 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:43.720 we have this new story out yesterday and the Inquirer 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:49.840 regarding what transpired right before share Long fired chief Thiji. No, 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.800 she's not fired, she's just done paid administrative leave. Okay. Well, 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:58.200 you named an interim superintendent in Adam Hayey. Okay, So 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:06.000 if you name someone in interim head coach, that means 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:07.920 you're waiting for the next head coach to come along. 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.359 If you're acting head coach, you're waiting for the person 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.080 who's the coach to come back or get better or 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:15.399 whatever it is the reason they took leave in the 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.080 first place. So right away, you're telling me that she's fired, 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.120 even when I'm saying she's fired. So this email comes 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:25.200 out on August fifteenth, I'm sure along to Thiji, and 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.879 it mandated that all communications, external meetings announcements have to 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:33.040 be clear through the city Manager's office because she needs 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:36.640 to save face. Because it's a bad look. You caught 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:38.399 me off guard when you said you want to be 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.359 on a task force to the Hamlin County Police Chiefs 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:44.359 Association and Tim Holloway to address the revolving justice system, 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.119 because the problem here, one of the problems is the 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:49.119 justice system. We know how drunk and broke it is, 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.760 where we have judges that are taking people with very 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:54.359 serious charges against them and giving them bed for the 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.400 doubt that they they're going to show back up to court, 0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:58.600 that they're going to go talk to their probation officer 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.199 and get a job and all these things, and then 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:03.480 they turn around and pick up a gun that's probably 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:05.440 the almost the same gun that they got in trouble 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:06.920 with in the first place, and go on commit even 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.280 worse crimes. And we have a steady drum beat of 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:12.440 that for a long time, but especially this summurb. That 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:14.920 is a reasonable thing for a chief to do to go, hey, listen, 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:17.560 my men and women that didn't movee line. The officers 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:21.040 of the City of Cincinnati, Hamlin County Sheriff's Department, we 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:24.720 got a problem here because we're catching people, we're apprehending them, 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:27.840 we're giving you the charges prosecuted does what they do, 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.679 and the judge simply says, well, these are just these 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.840 are criminals, but they're victims too, when we have to 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.840 treat them like they're victims, which is the mentality I 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.879 think from progressives largely, whether it's in the bench or 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.359 whether it's the city manager and the mayor of the 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:47.440 city of Cincinnati, and so again, more worried about optics, 0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.640 more worried about being caught off guard, and more worried 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.560 about how things look on the perception is rather than 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.359 your safety. You know, we're more worried about how we 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:58.200 look to the wrestler. Well, when that video splashed with 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:00.639 they beat down in July, Hell, did we look to 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.680 the rest of the world. I was halfway around the 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.680 rest of the world in Australia and that was on 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.040 the news. I turned on the TV. Michelle's getting ready, 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:10.879 We're going to go to dinner, last few days of 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:15.240 our trip, our bucket list trip, and I'm watching this violence. 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:16.800 I'm looking at it going on. It looks horrible. I 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.560 wonder if that's Chicago or is it La Is it Nope? 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:21.440 Is a point It's got to be Portland that looks 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:27.080 like Nope, Cincinnati Ohio. Holy crap, Holy crap. Here we go. 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.840 So the optics are, you're not doing your job, and 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:32.840 that's the problem. When you're all worried about how things look, 0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:35.920 you're not focused on the important stuff. So she goes 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.480 at THEIJI and says, there's some challenges messaging. It can 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.040 cause in confusion, and we got to be united on 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:44.960 safety and messaging. And now we just hired Frost Brown 0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:48.320 Todd at what forty fifty thousand dollars to come up 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:51.080 with the reasons why we fired Chief Thiji after we 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.199 fired her is to justify that behavior. And it may 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:55.880 take months. It's going to take well after the election, 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:57.600 that's for sure. Maybe by the first of the year 0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:59.160 we'll have an answer on this thing. About the same 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.119 time we'll have and answer as to what the hell 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:03.359 happened in July twenty sixth with the street beatdown. No 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.240 word about that either, by the way normally stuff comes out, 0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:08.080 there's no we're not hearing a word about that because 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:11.960 there's an election to be one, damn it. Nonetheless, it 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.840 doesn't this undermine the money that you're spending already with 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:21.119 this law firm. One may ask, because what you're trying 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:22.760 to do is come up to the reason why you 0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:26.000 fire Chief Thigi. And Chief Thigi says, well, listen, there's 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.040 nothing in my jacket. I've been here thirty five, thirty 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:31.240 six years. There's significant You have no cause to fire me, 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.520 no need cause with a contract, but there's no cause there. 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.480 Give me a reason why my incompetence. I did something wrong. 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.840 I was stealing money, I was paying officers, I was 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:42.159 doing something illegal. If not, I'm doing something that is 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.400 against my code of conduct. Here, I'm not doing There's 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.680 more I could be doing relative to policing. What is 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:53.200 that woman not doing? Is a question? And the new 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:56.119 of the interim chief how much different is he than Thigi? 0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:58.679 And the idea here is well, we've got to separate 0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.280 Chief Thiji's behavior from our policies. We've got to look 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:05.240 for the behavior of Chief Dji to justify firing her, 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.520 and that's what we're looking for here. Well, this doesn't 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:11.920 help that case, does it, Because now if this memo 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.360 comes out, if this leaks out, and City ser Long 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.639 is saying, well, listen, we got to rein you in. 0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.840 You're going off the reservation. Now, we've got to control 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.480 all your communications and meetings and announcement. It's got to 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:25.879 be cleared through my office. Not not like, hey, let 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:27.359 me know it's gone to but cleared. I have to 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.680 approve who you're meeting with, who you're talking to, what 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.200 you're thinking, and what you're about to say. Doesn't that 0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:36.560 look to you like the chief or any chief or 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:40.560 any administrative leader in our city doesn't have autonomy that 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:42.880 the mayor and the city manager under the mayor are 0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:47.320 dictating policy. Doesn't that undermine that money that you, the taxpayers, 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.360 are spending on this law firm to find out reasons 0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:53.719 why we're looking for something anything to blame Terry Thigi 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:57.960 for to justify her dismissal. And then you come out 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.560 in this and I think this selves, Terry, and I 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:02.400 think there's a reason why this this was leaked out. 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:07.320 But nonetheless, Long said, any outreach or contact with elected 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.400 officials must go through the city director's Government Affairs office. 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.640 So she can't talk, she can't think, she can't do it. 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:17.480 She has no autonomy to kind of, you know, press 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.200 some levers and make some noise in order to police 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:25.120 the way she sees fit. That totally underminds that argument, 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.760 I think so she's on administrative leave. And then the 0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:30.880 other thing that comes out of this email, which I 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.840 think is really funny and Willie, you'll probably be talking 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:35.360 more of this is the timeline with this is we 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:40.320 get the Fountain Square shooting downtown on October thirteenth, and 0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:43.040 there's growing public concerns, as you know, to everything from 0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.280 Patrick Harringer to the viral fight and everything else. So 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:49.520 two days later, after the Fountain Square thing, she leaves 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:51.920 for Denver, or maybe the night before she left for Denver, 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.280 Terry Thiji for this conference. So two days past at 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:59.200 nine twenty six am, Fiji emails sheer along and the 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:03.520 HR director some payroll issue. She mentions in the communication 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:06.920 it's her thirty sixth anniversary with the city and said, 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.200 I can't stay forever here forever, so I just want 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.680 to plan. No one knows what that means, and so 0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.840 Long and the HR director say, well, we'll meet about 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:18.000 this particular staffing issue. Payroll describe maybe it's her payroll, 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:22.040 I don't know whatever that's in the morning. By the afternoon, sure, 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:26.040 Long texts Terry Thiji, who's at this police conference in Denver, 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.480 saying call me, call me at one seventeen, call me. 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.600 Terry's in a car on a way the conference's got 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:34.400 another chiefs in the vehicle and says, well, can I 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.240 wait till I get back to the hotel And didn't 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:41.160 get a response other than maybe no. But at that 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.680 point she also, I'm guessing she realized what's going on. 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.240 She got a statement from the Reds praising her for 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:48.920 her work and trying to fight crime downtown and sends 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:53.440 that to share Alan And about this time here on 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:56.440 seven hundred WW it's the afternoon. Willie is on at 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.560 about one o'clock in the afternoon, and how fast World 0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.800 travels was evidence in this too. Is about the time 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.280 that shieron Long is about to call Terry Thigi back 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.600 and write request she'd come back from Denver. The word 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.960 has already gotten out that Terry Thigi is coming back 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:15.120 to be fired. Remember that happened? Is like they've called 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.200 the chief back. She needs to get back as an 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:22.080 urgent concern. Fiji then mentions back to shar Long because 0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:24.880 she's in Denver. She said, well, I much have mentioned like, 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.160 I don't know, are you hearing anything out there? And 0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.280 she said I hadn't gotten any calls. Maybe WLW being 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.720 typical dramatic is what Terry Thigi said. And I'm guessing 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.000 that as a reaction to us here on this radio station, 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.360 particularly Bill Cunningham talking about what's happening with Terry Thigi. 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.800 Like the words already spreading because Terry knew, and if 0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.040 Terry knew, other people who know, because she's probably gonna 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.280 maybe talk to some people about and say, they're calling 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.120 me back from Denver, what the hell's going on in 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:52.840 the city. I think that's a reasonable thing, like what 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.640 happened now, it's been two days since the Fountain Square shooting. 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:57.360 We have something else going on. I got to come back, 0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.920 what's happening? And someone said, no, there's nothing going on there, 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.520 summoning you back, which then would indicate you're about to 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.640 get fired. You don't call someone back in for no 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:07.760 reason whatsoever. Going well, we've got some man, we've got 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:09.520 some leadership things we got to talk about. But I'm 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:11.000 at a conference. I can't wait. No, you need to 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:14.040 come back right now. So of course word travels fast, 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.800 and the word gets out that and you know, Willie 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:23.880 was right, we're not being dramatic. You got fired, And 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:26.400 then there's some other tacks, saying, in light of the 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.280 recent high profile incident and heightened public attention surrounding it, 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.000 we need you back in town in the earliest flight 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:33.320 you can catch, please call me, which sounds very pre 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.320 in light of the recent higher profile incident, heightened public 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.440 attention surrounding and we need you back in town because 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.280 she had readymade that decision to let her go. I 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:47.520 mean heightened public attention. We're kind of at peak on Monday. Okay, 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:49.720 that happened on the weekend, and two days by two 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.320 days okay, we settled. Nan. It's like, okay, there's heightened 0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:56.200 public attention to the fountains cair shooting, for sure, But 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:58.480 why would you call her back from Denver. There's nothing 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.600 you can do about what happened forty eight I was earlier. 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.440 There's nothing unless you had some information about some sort 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.560 of I don't know, planned attack or planned criminal activity. 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:08.880 There's no reason for her to do that. And that 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.200 was like the end of the conversation. And then she 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.520 came back. And then by the twentieth on the twenties, 0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.280 so that was five days after that is when the 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.160 city and tear and UH and share along place Stigi 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:24.360 on administratively paid administry pending internal investigation of the effectiveness 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:27.520 of her leadership. And of course she's lawyered up. She's 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.520 a political scapegoat. I believe that to be true. I 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:33.200 agree with Steve im on this. But the whole thing 0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.760 is the fact that this indicates to me that most 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.680 certainly share along and most certainly have to have puival 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:43.000 dictate the policy. You're now hired a law firm to 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:46.240 prove the exact opposite. Terry. Theg is like, look, you're 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.320 the piper. You call the tune. If you're worried about DEEI, 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.520 if you're at about treating our criminals like victims, that's 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.440 the game you want to play with your administration. That's 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.200 how you were on the city. I take my orders 0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:59.320 from you, Okay, I'll fall in line and make sure 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.040 the troops fall in line. And to that degree, I 0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:04.080 think that's why she had a rift with maybe some 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.440 of the beat cops, and she was not really loved 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.600 all that much by the beat cops. It was kind 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:11.880 of a love hate situation, I guess from what I understand. 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:13.480 And you know, if you're a boss, you're not going 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:15.759 to keep everybody happy, especially if you're the chief of 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.600 police and you have a police union, and I get that, 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:22.560 but I also think that if you're going to take 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:24.880 that job, they're going to tell you what to do 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:26.719 and how to do it, and you're just going to 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:28.800 kind of follow it. And you know what, you're blaming 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:34.360 Terry Thiji for your bad policies. You made bad policy decisions. 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:36.880 It sounds like you took some I don't know, some 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.160 study from Harvard or some sort of nutty professor that 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.680 told you the way to keep the peace is to 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.600 simply appease the criminals rather than lock them up and 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.800 be strong about it. You know, we're going to empty 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.520 the jails, we're gonna have no bond, we're gonna have 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:53.760 aar And now a percentage of the population takes advantage 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:55.320 of that because that's what they do, not all of it, 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.160 but a small percentage of the criminal and this is 0:34:58.200 --> 0:34:59.680 what you wind up getting. And so that's not the 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:03.160 fault Terry Fiji. That is the fault of failed leadership 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:07.080 above Terry Thigi, and she's paying the price. Very interesting though, 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.520 it sounds to me like the Mayor's office and sherlong 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:14.480 dictate how Terry Thigi should perform her job. I mean 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:17.200 controlling the what she's saying or thinking sounds to me 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:21.239 like they're underminding the whole investigation. They desired a big 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:25.240 law for them to do, and it just gets crazier 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.279 every day, really does. We'll get a time out and 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.320 we've got news in just about four minutes here on 0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:33.000 seven hundred ww when we return County Commissioner at Lisha 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:34.880 Reese on the show, can the county help plug the 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.319 looming snap gap that's about to hit on Saturday? We'll 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.800 get into that and much more just ahead when the 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.920 Scott's Loan Show continues after this on seven hundred ww. 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.120 Do you want to be an American idiot? 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.640 Scott blown back on seven hundred WWS. So, we have 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.040 a coalition about half of the United States, the United 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:54.759 States and District of Columbia are suing the Trump administration 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.880 over the suspension of food staff benefits. With the government 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:01.160 shutdown happening right now, so here in Ohio we can't 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.040 control DC. But now we're going, all right, what about snap? 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.319 What about tamp what about Wick? What about that money 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:08.239 if we don't get federal funds? Is looking that way 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:12.080 as we get closer to Saturday Locally, Governor Dewin said 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:15.560 he's studying options involving state money. I had a council 0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.239 member all be on earlier this morning and she said 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.640 the city's looking at this too. And the county held 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:24.279 they hearing yesterday where Alicia Reese was a holding court 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:26.960 as she usually does. Commissioner Reese welcome, how are you. 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:32.560 Oh, I've had better days. I'll tell you that, better days. 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:36.440 I bet this is tough, unbelievable. Yeah, we got so 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:38.480 to bring people up to speed on this. To bring 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:42.040 up to speed, one point four million Ohioans reliance SNAP 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:46.040 benefits and about forty three thousand kids, so roughly one 0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.680 in eight folks who live in Hamlin County are getting 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:52.960 some form of SNAP benefits. Every month in Hamlin County, 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:58.680 SNAP pays out nineteen million dollars, I said, nineteen million 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:02.760 a month. With your budget and even the city's budget. 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.319 I don't know how you overcome that, Alicia. 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.680 Yeah, I mean it is you look at it. We 0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.120 can overcome it. I mean we're talking in almost two 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:15.000 hundred and forty million a year, and we're looking at 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.520 ninety seven thousand of those people like you said right 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:21.120 here in Hamilton County, and you know they yesterday the 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.200 Director of Jobs and Family Services. One of the things 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.400 he talked about is these are people who are working. 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.719 Majority of these people who actually work every day, some 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.400 of them working two and three jobs. You're looking at 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:37.279 children who in it's to children. Then you're looking at 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:39.040 senior citizens. 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:40.280 Who pay their dues. 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:45.319 There. You know, that's a big chunk of people. I mean, 0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:49.560 you're very pro veteran serve Yeah, veterans who serve this country. 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:54.920 I mean, this is this is unbelievable. And to deny 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.080 them something as basic as being able to have food 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:02.480 on the table is unbelieve And then one of the 0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:04.680 things the food free Store Food Bank, which you know 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.960 the in world hunger. That's one of my since been dear, 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:10.759 dear in my heart and I've always worked with them 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:14.160 for you know, most of my life helping. One of 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.320 the things that was said that we can't food pantry 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.680 ourselves out into it. You know, even with the money 0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.759 that we have that we had from Snap. We had 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:27.040 SNAP and food bank was kind of a gap filler. 0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:31.439 It was never the main line. And so it won't 0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:33.000 be we won't be able to We're going to put 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:37.520 more money toward that. We as a as a county commission, 0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:40.840 we've put about two million dollars with the URPA money 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.640 that we did. We're looking for more opera money. We 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:47.080 know we probably got at least another two hundred thousand. 0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:50.200 We're scraping to sign some others. Uh so that number 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.719 may go up, but we know that that is just 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:58.759 a temporary situation. Then what people don't understand the economic 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:03.080 impact of the snap benefits. In other words, for every 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:06.640 dollar that we put in you talked about the nineteen million, 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:11.360 we get one dollar and fifty four cents back. So 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.200 we're talking about almost you know, over two hundred close 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:18.719 three hundred million dollars economically in the economy to keep 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:20.360 this economy going. 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:21.680 Because you're going to buy stuff, you're going to go 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:23.440 to the store, you're going to go to Kroger, whatever, 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:25.360 and that money gets pumped back into the economy, and 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:27.719 that means jobs and a fewer people are done. You know, Okay, 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:29.879 you don't need that many people at Kroger working wherever 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:34.000 you get your groceries, and you can't you keep I 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.520 talked to a Kurt Ryber on Monday Show. Alicia Reese 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:38.600 CEO of the Freestar Food Bank, and he was he 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.120 was kind about that. They said, well, I'm optimistic we'll 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:43.200 get this thing settled now here it is, you know, 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:44.759 we're heading in the back half the week and all 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.520 of a sudden that's not looking at a certainty or 0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.719 a guarantee for sure. But he said, look, we might 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:52.799 have to open twice a month to folks who are 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.759 on SNAP are supposed to once a month, and he's 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:57.640 going to have to lean on his vendors as suppliers, 0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:00.520 and of course the generosity of Cincinnatians and they serve 0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:02.880 not just Cincinnati, but as you know, like twenty counties. 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:06.279 So if you're hearing this and like I have make 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.920 a donation the free Store Food Bank because it's that 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.440 time of the year and now we're getting to you know, 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.000 Thanksgiving and Christmas when the need is even great. It's 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:15.799 like the worst time possible for this to happen. 0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:19.840 It's the worst time possible. And as you indicate it, 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.360 we looked at also the Director of Jobs and Family Services, 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.799 because all of the SNAP benefits don't happen just at 0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:29.120 the beginning of the month, right, We've got half at 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:30.879 the beginning of the month. So we've got a group 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:35.040 that will be impacted November first. Then we've got another 0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:38.080 half where theirs are in the middle of the month, 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:42.080 so theirs would go out right at Thanksgiving. I mean, 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:46.320 it's unbelievable. And then you talked about Kroger's and others. 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:50.800 They're small, there's farmers' markets, there's smaller retails. Over almost 0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:56.160 ten thousand retails stores throughout Ohio will be affected. So 0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.440 now we're talking about some you know, some of the 0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:02.320 smaller stores as well as it affects you know, Kroger's 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:06.120 and all those because the less people buy, right, the 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.160 higher the prices and so. And then some of the 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:12.520 smaller retail stores, the farmer markets and those kinds of things, 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.840 some of them have indicated they might go out of business. 0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.439 And those are the ones that provide the fresh fruit 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:21.320 into some of these food desert areas. So it's a 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:25.120 trickle effect. Then you have senior citizens who many are 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.960 on medicine, and some children that have to take medicines. 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.759 And now you have to decide can I afford the 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.920 medicine or the food. And everybody knows when you take 0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:38.200 medicines that it says you got to eat with the medicine, 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.080 so it's a trickle down effect. And then we had 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:45.000 CMHA a director come in and he said it also 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:49.440 affects because now we're talking about housing and his program 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:53.200 has because of the government shut down. He indicated that 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:58.000 it will affect people with affordable housing as well. And 0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.719 you know, we've been pushing affordable houses. Will people be 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:04.040 able to have a place to live? And you know, 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:06.319 it's slow, it's just everything, and you know, I've been 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:10.160 on this property taxes. He just chilling us, you know, 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.680 and we did that. We did that Bengals Deals Sloan 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.680 and they took out thirty percent, so we can't even 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:20.640 try to get to thirty percent rebate. Then the state 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:24.120 would not do anything on the property taxes. Yet they're 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.359 still fiddling trying to figure that out. 0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:29.640 What's going on. And that's that's a whole separate, complex issue, 0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:31.880 right And then the main time it is coming up, 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:35.600 bottom line is Saturday. Unless things change in Washington, a 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:37.600 lot of people are going to have to do without. 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.920 And I, you know, I look at this thing, Alicia 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.800 Reese's you know, and and we even mentioned for example, 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.440 the federal workers, for example, who are working out of 0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.719 the paycheck. And I said, when this thing started, I 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:51.680 was like, okay, it's theater, is what it is. And 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.279 then what happens is in about thirty days that theater 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:57.160 becomes reality. So you see the snap benefits cut concerns 0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.680 with the FAA. You have freder worker's now missing a 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:03.600 couple paychecks. You know most families can afford. You know, Okay, 0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:05.919 can we tighten it up for till the next pay cycle? 0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:08.279 Sure we do that all the time. You start talking 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:10.720 a couple of pay cycles, that's a different story entirely. 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:12.839 And yet these people still have to show up to work. 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:16.719 Yeah, they got to show up to work not getting paid. Song. 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:20.319 Now we're in twenty twenty twenty five, right, twenty twenty 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:25.600 five people working and not getting paid. Come on, in 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:30.080 this society, there'd be a furlough. These people have home mortgages, 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:35.239 they will have the property taxes. We do, their gas 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:38.719 and electrics do. Now you're talking over here those with 0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:41.680 the snap benefits now they can't get anything to eat. 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.600 Children's families worried. 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.400 How problems gonna be a problem. 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.960 This is outrageous. And then the phone we have until 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.040 this Thursday, and I don't think it's gonna go. The 0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:57.920 state then said, hey, you fix the problem on property taxes, 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.560 and you saw Butler County and Orange County they looking 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:05.560 to double the homestead to help the seniors. But it 0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:08.040 doesn't look like you know, I asked the administrator to 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:10.560 look at all options, and it doesn't seem like I'm 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:13.320 going to get the support to be able to do 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.680 that here in Hamilton County. So now what do we do. 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:20.520 We can't give the homeowners to break federal workers furloughs. 0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:24.160 That's your middle class that they're working with no paycheck. 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:27.759 Senior citizens have done their time and they can't now 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:30.200 get anything to eat. They don't know if to pay 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:32.200 for the medicine or can they pay to get something 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:36.080 to eat. Children out here hungry. These ninety seven thousand 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:40.800 people affected about the snap benefits, like you said, nutrition 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.359 and all that, they can't even get anything to eat, 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.960 and most of them are working every day. I mean, 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:47.359 what are we doing here? 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:49.960 Yeah, I mean pretty soon it's gonna be you're gonna 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:51.560 look at it and go, okay, well I can feed 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:53.719 my kids, or I can pay the electric bill, and 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:55.360 you know, you can have a really good job and 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:57.320 good income stream and still feel the pinch of the 0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:00.279 spatic hell Isshia, you got a couple of you good 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.040 money and you still have a hard time painting your 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:02.680 electric bill. 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:07.640 Hey, let me just say let me say this. 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:09.000 Let me say this. 0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:09.840 I am. 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:14.360 I am a normal working person and I and I 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:15.720 have the struggles of everybody. 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:19.279 Because this morning Alicia was a little late because her 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.239 phone died because her power went out. And I said, well, 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:22.640 I mean you got pay that, you gotta pay, you 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:23.960 got pay, Duke Kennedy. 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:27.800 Girl, I jumped up, saw said, I said, waving my glasses. 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.040 I said, wait, mante isn't say, and you know, get 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.240 my get my lecture, I got my receipt. 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:34.799 I'm gonna waving in somebody's face. 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.480 It was a power or somebody won't. 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:41.799 Be Yeah, that's what it is. I love the conspiracy. 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:42.520 I really do. 0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:49.080 Us Alisha ras County Commissioner on the show, it's let 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:49.920 me just tell a picture. 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.840 I've got the five or three release bus and we 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.920 have helped thirty thousand people where we got the bus 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.320 going all over the county. We're going to try to 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.600 connect people to as much help as we have available 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.719 to them. Right now, we're bringing food, We're bringing all 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:07.440 kind of help from jobs and family services, anything we have. 0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:09.800 We're going to try to connect them and answer the 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.400 problems that they may have. And we also try to 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:16.000 get people. Let's get these unclaimed funds, every little dollar count. 0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:18.200 We're in a nine to one one right now. 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:21.440 Yeah, we are, and you hope that cooler heads prevail. 0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.320 Like if I were to talk to you know, Democrats 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:26.840 and Republicans, I think the sentiment of the country is, Okay, 0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:29.680 you made your point. You made your point. Now once 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:32.160 you get past. And the reason why the longest shutdown 0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:35.000 was thirty five days is because after you know, first 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:37.359 few weeks at theater, once you start to get past 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.560 that thirty day, market really starts to hurt people who 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:43.239 don't deserve it. And you know, so at the end 0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.040 of the day is you know, could play party politics 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:46.839 and our sides got to win and crush the other side. 0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.920 But you know when when individual families and kids and 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.719 veterans and seniors are getting squeezed out and literally not 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:55.879 getting food, I think that's time both sides have to go. Look, 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:58.640 we made our point. We've eventually got a govern here. 0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:00.960 We got to legislate and let's fix this problem through 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.560 the legislative action, not executive order. And a lot of 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.560 people blame Trump for all this thing, but it's party politics. 0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:09.000 It's the lines are so defined and there's such a 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:12.440 gap between the two parties right now. This is why 0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:15.520 Congress largely we're sending them to Washington. What are they doing. 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:17.360 All they're doing is shutting. They came and bounce a 0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.400 budgetally share you got one job, you can't do that, 0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:22.040 and then you shut the government down like every ten 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:22.920 minutes on the tens. 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:26.359 Well, we got to come together. But this is an 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:29.920 economics fight. We've got to fight going right now. Sloan 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:33.800 from creating the have and the have not and the 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:37.759 have nots is growing and getting crushed at whatever they do. 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.640 I encourage all of them to come together, but we 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:42.719 also got to make sure that we could afford to 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:45.680 go to the hospital. I mean, I mean, it's an 0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:48.360 economics fight, Like you said, whether it's a snap benefit, 0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:53.319 whether it's a property Texas, whether it's you know, whether 0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:55.759 it's cannot afford to go to the hospital right now, 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:59.399 because you know we can't basically America, we just can't 0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.239 afford to pay more. We can't pay more to go 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.040 to the hospital. We can't pay more to go to 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.319 the doctors. We can't go out here and cut our 0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:08.400 snap benefits, we can't pay more for property takes. We 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:11.880 just squeezed. So the economy has squeezed us. And like 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:14.800 you said, here we are down at the bottom, trying 0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:17.759 to trying to survive. And I think I would want 0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:20.160 all of them. I don't care who you are. Take 0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:22.759 the posits out of it. Enough, fight for Americans to 0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:24.320 be able to look forward. 0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:27.200 To live, go back and negotiate and come up with something. 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.840 And you know, Democrats, it's about subsidy. I think subsidy 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.799 is terrible because it's just making affordable or I guess 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:36.879 pretending to make affordable something that's not. You're taking cash 0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:38.480 from one palm, move it to another. At the end 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:39.879 of the day, this is why we've got a thirty 0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:43.440 eight trillion dollar deficit with the subsidies. Republicans and I've 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:45.239 talked to many of my friends in the right side 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.560 of the owl talk about, you know, empowering people to 0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:50.640 take care of better care of their health and incentivizing 0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:52.120 well and it's that's all well and good, but that 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.080 takes ten, twenty, thirty forty years or more for that 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:56.840 to take it. We need a plan right now. We 0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.239 need to fix the broken healthcare system right now. We 0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.640 don't need more sub and we don't need, you know, 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:05.560 to empower people in future generations to get healthy. We 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:08.440 still need to have people today that have cancer, that 0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:12.000 have diabetes, that are in wheelchairs, that have mental illness, 0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:14.840 all those things, and we're not we're not addressing that. 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:16.759 We're just kicking the can down the road. And both 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.360 sides are complicity, that's all it is. And it's squeezing 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:22.640 out the county, the city, the state. We're screwed. We 0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:25.360 don't have the rainy day fund and now that was 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:27.080 in the proposals is to get to wind to tap 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:29.400 the rainy day funds. There's four billion dollars in that. 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.680 I don't know how long that would fund SNAP. It 0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:34.880 might get us through another month. But the problem with 0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.000 that though is, you know, Alicia, is the General Assembly 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:39.000 needs to pass the legislation and that's not going to 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:42.560 happen by Saturday. You can't directly fund SNAP because the 0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:45.840 state only verifies eligibility. That's a federal government runs that system. 0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:50.560 Well, I think we all got to have there's unpresident. 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:52.319 This is unprecedented what we're doing. 0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:54.200 Self inflicted. That's the worst part. 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.759 Yeah, with self inflicting, and Americas are getting hurt. And 0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:02.600 I'm articles that you get in ballrooms even though it's 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:05.440 private money. Can you imagine three hundred million of private 0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:09.120 money immediately? We need two hundred and forty million to 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:12.360 do SNAP. The money is out there, but they're just 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:16.280 squeezing everybody to having no money. And then only certain 0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:18.879 people have money. And we, like you said, we pay 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.320 our taxes and we got to get a return on it. 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:25.200 We got to resenting stuff to Washington, and damn it, Washington, 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:26.399 we got to get it back here. 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:29.160 Problem. That's a problem working people. I mean, you know, 0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:31.239 let's take care of the working focus. Most of the 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:33.759 people on SNAP are working. Families are working at least 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:36.520 a couple jobs. And county commissioner at Lisha Reese, I'll 0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:39.719 let you go before I don't know, do you need 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:41.839 a venue money so you can pay your electric bill? 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:43.239 Can I help you? What can I do for you? 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:49.120 It's been paid okay, all right, it's been paid for. 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:52.239 And you wireless clariler works, they got I don't want 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:52.440 to be. 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.120 But there's some people out there. Let me just say, 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:58.800 who can't pay? And I guess I got a glimpse 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:00.640 of what it's like in the dark. 0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:04.800 And appreciate you so much. Alicia, thanks for jumping on 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:09.480 this morning. Take care, have a good one, always bringing 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:13.719 the heat here. Sure you don't any money that electric bill? 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:16.719 I get you some cash or cricket wireless. Keep that 0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.280 phone going. She's good radio. She is Alicia Reese Hamlin 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:22.279 County Commission in a very serious issue though. On Saturday. Uh, 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:25.279 if these benefits expire, I want to believe that even 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.719 Washington has some sense and goes, you know, we really, 0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:30.680 we really need to come to some common ground here 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.040 because people are going to suffer starting on Saturday. Now 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:36.160 is it gonna be Saturday? Exactly? That all of a 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:39.440 sudden we're gonna have all, now what four million people starving? 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.719 And I went, no, it's good a few days. But 0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:45.959 the point has been made. It's time to actually govern 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:47.600 for a change. How about that. We sent you to 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:50.560 Washington to government? How about governing? Why did you do that? 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:56.640 Sloney seven hundred WI helping you put the big P 0:51:57.440 --> 0:52:02.719 in profession. Here's our career shir Julie Balki, All right, 0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:06.360 headed towards November. First, some people losing their snap benefits 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:09.320 and other people have to make a decision on their healthcare. 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.560 If you're in the private sector like me, maybe you 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:16.360 that means trying to figure that out and navigate that. 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:19.280 And only fifty seven percent of full time employees understand 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:22.000 their benefits coverage. That is the lowest it's been since 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:26.719 twenty twenty. And why that is and what's driving that? 0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:30.319 She has the answers. It's Julie Balki from the Bouki Group, 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.279 career coach and consultant. It's Julie on the job of 0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:35.759 Sloany this morning on seven hundred double dowt. How you been, 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:37.560 good morning. 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:40.680 You know, reading this by harken back to my early 0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:43.239 days of my career in human resources, and this is 0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:48.239 not a new problem. In my experience. You had open 0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:50.600 enrollment every year where people had to come forward and 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:54.200 say I select this program or I select this program, 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:59.880 and literally for something as important as healthcare and medical benefits, 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:04.560 it was like pulling teeth to get people to sign up. 0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:09.600 And it's just confounding to me. But at the same time, 0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:13.120 I think sometimes your health and medical benefits benefits in 0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:17.520 general falls into that same category of I'll worry about 0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:20.600 it when I need it, okay, like insurance, like general, 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:23.680 like home insurance, like I expect it to be there 0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:26.960 for every every need I could possibly have when I 0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:29.440 need it. But I don't want to put a lot 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:32.640 of time into reading over it because it just confuses me. 0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:34.279 Which I got it. 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:37.800 I totally get that. It's like, there's there's twenty different 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:40.000 plans and you could do this, and what's the out 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:42.759 of pocket? And the thing is, unless you're a nature, 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:45.480 no one understands, well, Okay, I got a colpay, I 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:48.080 got this forty percent, but here's our family maximum or 0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:51.600 our monthly maximum. And then it's like I don't know what. Okay. 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:55.080 Then you're an STD and LTD and FTD and ESPN 0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:57.480 and like my eyes glaze over. 0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:02.400 Yeah yeah, And I get it because those kind of 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:05.160 things aren't natural for me to dig in and understand either. 0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:11.200 But it's also not reasonable to ignore it. Just pick, 0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:14.359 you know, give me the basics, and then you find 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:17.040 out six months in that you have to have surgery 0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:18.919 and it's not covered because you didn't pick the right plan, 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:22.480 that's not fair either. You know that's so there has 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:25.239 to be And I know it seems that the whole 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:29.439 areas seem to get so much more complex with whether 0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.840 it's ACA, or whether you are on your souse's benefits, 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:35.080 or whether you're allowed to be on your spouse's benefics 0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:38.359 if you also have full time employment. So there's all 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:43.239 these little loopholes and all these little if this then 0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:44.520 that kind of stuff. 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:47.680 But when you think. 0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:51.200 About the moment in which you really need once you're 0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:53.080 really going to need it, and how it can impact 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:56.200 your financial future if you aren't covered and you have 0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:59.759 to have something done anyway, you just got to bear 0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:02.920 down to do it. And I know that that's I 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:05.600 know that that's hard because I will admit, back when 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.680 I was in corporate America, it was little last thing 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:10.759 I wanted to do, even for myself, and so I 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:13.879 get it. But and so it seems like all these 0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:17.080 people that have said I don't understand it. It seems 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:21.320 kind of like a throw out my hands. I know 0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:26.600 companies do try to explain it, do try they have sessions, 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:28.640 they do things to try to help you understand it. 0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:32.120 But you know, I used to say about benefits. When 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:34.160 I was in HR, you can lean horses to water 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.279 all day long, you can't make them drink. And that's 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:39.000 that's really what this comes down to. 0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:43.040 Yeah, and I'm the old days. You know, when everyone 0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:45.839 met in person. We still worked in a workplace, Right, 0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:48.279 You'd have the big benefit meeting and everyone show up 0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:50.839 and there'd be someone there presenting the information, namely Julie 0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:53.600 Bouki or something like that, and it was a horrible 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:56.160 meeting because about forty five minutes in your eyes start 0:55:56.200 --> 0:55:59.240 glazing over about benefits and then are there any questions? 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.560 And sure, uh the question. Here's Matt Reese in the 0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:05.040 background raising his hand and he's going to ask a 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:08.520 thousand questions and drag this drag this thing out three 0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:10.920 or four more hours long, and it's just it's insane. 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:13.360 It wasn't. Fortunately, you can do that online and we 0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:16.040 have AI and stuff like that, but benefits are And 0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:19.320 the reason why we're seeing employees understand benefits lesson is 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:23.920 because it's even more complex and expensive, Right, it is more. 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:24.920 Complex and expensive. 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:29.279 Yeah, and it feels like if the depth and the 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:34.160 scope of benefits get smaller and smaller, I mean, everybody 0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:37.640 over a certain age remembers a day when, maybe even 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:39.640 early in your career, when you worked for a company 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:44.279 where it was very small copey, very small deductible, you 0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.839 just showed up anywhere you wanted to and you were 0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:50.640 taken care of and that was it. And it's those 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:54.680 days are never coming back, because certainly healthcare costs have 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:59.800 risen cramily for companies, and so they can't. 0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:03.040 You know, I just wish, I just wish at some 0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:03.360 point it. 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:05.080 Won't be where I'm alive or you're alive, but I 0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:08.799 wish somebody somewhere would have the courage to step up 0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:12.640 and face off with the healthcare and pharmaceutical lobby and 0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:18.240 the insurance lobby and separates healthcare benefits from employment. That 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:22.280 works when they were unions with herban. It doesn't, It 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:27.040 doesn't make sense anymore, and it's never apa right. 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:27.800 It never did. 0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:31.200 That's what the ACA was for, so that you weren't 0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:35.320 stuck without benefits because you weren't employed. It attempted to 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:38.840 make them more affordable, and it did for many, many people, 0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:41.560 so that you didn't have to hang on to a 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:45.440 job you hated just so you had your healthcare covered. 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:47.920 I mean even just saying that sentence sounds nutty, right, 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:52.240 So yeah, so it's a it's a very very complex problem. 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:54.120 It really isn't, Julie. 0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:54.600 Let me know. 0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:57.240 I've been on this on this soapbox for twenty something years. 0:57:57.760 --> 0:57:59.840 It's not that complex. All all Congress has to do 0:57:59.920 --> 0:58:03.280 is like, look, all right, starting at this date, you 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:07.600 are no longer to offer healthcare benefits, healthcare benefits as 0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:10.760 an incentive at your workplace, like you can't if you're 0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:13.080 an employer, you don't do it, just don't do it, 0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:15.840 and and that way you don't have well some companies 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:19.440 are offering somewhere just then the practice and allow the 0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:21.240 free market, Allow of the open market, like you do 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:23.720 with your car insurance, like you do with your life insurance, 0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:28.280 your renter's insurance, all that stuff. The money you would 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:30.520 save and not having to hire people like Julie Boukip 0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:32.520 to and essentially, I mean, how much of your job 0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:34.200 when you were in HR was HR. How much of 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:37.560 your job was managing healthcare costs? You had a whole team, 0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:39.800 the bigger the company, you had to hire staffs of 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:43.520 people to do that. Go to your doctor's office, you 0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:46.400 may have one nurse practitioner there, but there's five or 0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:49.480 six people. Their whole job is medical coding, medical building, 0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:53.120 doing all that stuff, putting entry level stuff to comply 0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:55.320 with the government and to comply with insurance companies. 0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:59.040 Yeah, but if we're going to do that, if you're 0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:03.600 going to say, okay, effective January first, twenty twenty seven, 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:11.760 healthcare is now unpethered. You have entire industrial complexes of pharmaceuticals, 0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:16.400 medical products, doctors, hospitals, you know, medicare. I mean, everything 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:18.960 has to be ready for that and has to be 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:20.320 able to price it appropriately. 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:21.600 They have to be able to stap for it. 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:23.400 So it would take a pretty. 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:26.560 Long runway to do that. Sure, but because the lobbies 0:59:26.600 --> 0:59:30.600 are so strong in all of those they they are 0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:32.920 in the back pocket of a lot of politicians that 0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:35.560 will never vote for that. So here we are again, 0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:38.360 step because our politicians have their hands out. 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.160 Right right well, and then we need if we need fundraising, 0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:43.800 and damn it, you can do this, and it's better 0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:46.080 for America. It's better for the bottom line because you 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.960 can stand it. You know, democratsical plays. Look, Okay, you're 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:52.760 gonna have two hundred and twenty two million people who 0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:55.440 don't have any healthcare benefits and you're a capitalist and 0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:57.920 you have money. No, it doesn't work, though, way, the 0:59:58.000 --> 0:59:59.720 money you save and all the compliance and all the 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:02.240 gouvern from a BS, you could take some of that 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:06.200 money and have health care for people who fall into 1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:10.000 the poverty line and still have literally billions of dollars 1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:12.440 left over, if not trillions of dollars left over to 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:17.080 balance the budget to put to something else. Because once 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:20.800 employment is tied to healthcare benefits, too many people working 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:24.360 crappy jobs simply because they need the benefits. It's so 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:26.720 very true if you free what would that do for 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:29.200 the gig economy On top of that, people who have 1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:33.080 two or three or four different jobs that would allow 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:35.000 that to go on like gangbusters, Like what you would 1:00:35.000 --> 1:00:37.160 make up at the back end would more than cover 1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:40.640 the front end. But of course you're protecting someone else's turf. 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:44.360 You're protecting insurance companies and big pharma and insurance providers 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:47.400 and PBMs and all that stuff because they've made their 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:49.120 success and they don't want that to go away. They 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:50.400 don't want that gravy train to end. 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:52.640 Mhmm exactly. 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:55.160 It's the what we're seeing, which is I think really interesting. 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:58.720 I think this is sort of the future because we're 1:00:58.760 --> 1:01:03.480 seeing harken back to the old days of COVID, which 1:01:03.520 --> 1:01:05.840 feels like it was a you know, different lifetime. But 1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:09.800 we saw think about we saw companies come out like okay, 1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:14.120 day care for your petday care for your grandma, perks 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:16.040 for this, perks for that, you know, because they were 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:18.640 in attraction mode. They were trying to get people to 1:01:18.680 --> 1:01:21.760 come work there. The problem is then when the pendulum 1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:23.720 swings back the other way, those are the first things 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:27.760 to go. But what I do like about the personalization 1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:31.320 of benefits. So let's say if everybody has the same benefit, 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:34.000 So as if a single person, a single thirty year 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:37.400 old doesn't maybe doesn't have a spouse, doesn't have kids, 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:42.960 and it's really healthy, they they they may choose a 1:01:43.880 --> 1:01:48.160 more a skinninger plan and then spend again, some of 1:01:48.240 --> 1:01:55.400 those benefit dollars for catastrophic or for you know, for 1:01:55.640 --> 1:02:00.600 more vacation time or PTO or doggie daycare or so 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:04.240 I love the idea of a bank and a variety 1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:07.320 of benefits. There's obviously a lot of regulations around this. 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.560 But the company I used to work four years ago, 1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:15.040 you had to at least have catastrophic, but beyond that, 1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:17.840 it was what do you need? Do you need more medications? 1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:19.240 You are you? 1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:22.360 Or can you use some of those dollars for wellness? 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:25.760 And so if I think, I hope we're going to 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:28.600 be heading in that direction because we are learning, whether 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:32.200 it comes to hybrid works, remote work, in office work, 1:02:32.360 --> 1:02:35.880 one size doesn't fit all and so we have there 1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:39.800 some sort of personalization is I think a really important 1:02:39.840 --> 1:02:44.680 recruitment and retention strategy. But it's it's sticky, it's really 1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:47.760 really sticky. But the companies who figure it out, I think, 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:49.800 are the companies who are going to be the places 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:53.280 that say, instead of saying here's the benefits package, Oh, 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:55.440 you don't need most of these things, sorry about that, 1:02:56.440 --> 1:02:58.600 instead say what do you need and then here are 1:02:58.640 --> 1:02:59.160 your options. 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:02.800 Julie Bouki, our career is sure. But Wednesday morning's here 1:03:02.800 --> 1:03:04.640 on the Scotsland Show on seven hundred double de' lib 1:03:04.640 --> 1:03:06.680 bit of tuck and job related stuff on the big issues. 1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:09.280 We'll get to. The AI stuff is fascinating. We've been 1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:11.480 talking a lot about that, but we are now in 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:14.720 that sweet spot here for benefits, right, it is trying 1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:18.480 to understand your benefits coverage. Decision day is coming up, 1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:20.720 kind of like when it was sports. To steal an 1:03:20.720 --> 1:03:23.680 analogy there, it is decision day. You decide how much 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:25.640 more you're going to pay and how fewer benefits you're 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:27.880 going to wind up getting. It's a mess. It's a nightmare. 1:03:28.520 --> 1:03:30.800 Only about sixty percent, less than six out of ten 1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:33.480 full time employees fully understand their benefits coverage. That's the 1:03:33.520 --> 1:03:36.000 lowest market it's been since twenty twenty. It's been trending 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:38.480 down now for the last number of years because it's 1:03:38.520 --> 1:03:41.520 become more expensive, it's become more complex. People don't like 1:03:41.600 --> 1:03:43.880 to make the decision. They him and haw about it. 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:45.640 They want to save some money, but then they worry 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:47.560 what if they get sick? And I cover this whole thing? 1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:50.080 So we understand to struggle the benefits and how to 1:03:50.160 --> 1:03:52.400 access them when we need them, because I mean, let's 1:03:52.400 --> 1:03:54.360 face it, if your company is trying to get the 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:58.760 best deal possible, you're probably changing insurance companies pretty much 1:03:58.800 --> 1:04:01.400 every year at this point. Benefitsarian and now this company 1:04:01.480 --> 1:04:03.080 to this, well, we're not doing this, we're not covering that, 1:04:03.160 --> 1:04:05.880 and just keeping track of it as a nightmare. Imagine 1:04:05.920 --> 1:04:10.280 being an HR professional when HR staffers and senior management said, 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:12.960 and seven out of ten then say, we don't understand 1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:15.600 it all ourselves. That's a problem. That shows you how 1:04:15.640 --> 1:04:16.480 big the problem is. 1:04:17.880 --> 1:04:21.000 And imagine all of a sudden there's an accident, yeah, 1:04:21.200 --> 1:04:22.120 or you're very sick. 1:04:22.560 --> 1:04:23.560 Is that really want to. 1:04:23.640 --> 1:04:25.440 When you want to be online trying to figure all 1:04:25.480 --> 1:04:27.960 this stuff out and getting the bad news that you 1:04:28.080 --> 1:04:30.440 I forgot to plan up for that, right, So don't 1:04:30.560 --> 1:04:32.760 wait until that moment. And I always say, you know, 1:04:32.800 --> 1:04:35.919 I had a personal experience when my husband passed away. 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:38.760 We had his living will, we had his healthcare power 1:04:38.800 --> 1:04:41.800 of returning. Everything was fresh done and in a notebook, 1:04:42.120 --> 1:04:45.640 and I just handed it to the hospital because I 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:47.920 was I didn't even I couldn't even figure out where 1:04:47.920 --> 1:04:50.680 I was at the moment. So it's you know, I 1:04:50.760 --> 1:04:52.640 think you have to start. You have to put a 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:56.840 little few brain cells toward figuring out am I ready 1:04:56.880 --> 1:04:59.600 when the worst happened. It doesn't have to consume you, 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:02.000 but you're going to be glad you did because. 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:03.200 It comes for us all eventually. 1:05:03.600 --> 1:05:06.439 Yeah. Yeah, some that's gonna come back. And I wonder 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:09.360 how like small and mid sized companies navigate this. You 1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:11.920 don't have a huge HR department to navigate all the thing. 1:05:12.080 --> 1:05:14.160 I'd imagine AI at some point, if not now, it 1:05:14.240 --> 1:05:15.280 is starting to fill that void. 1:05:16.600 --> 1:05:18.680 Yeah, and I also they also a lot of times 1:05:18.800 --> 1:05:23.320 they rely on their benefits provider. They're brokers, the folks 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:26.200 that they work with to develop the benefits programs. They 1:05:26.280 --> 1:05:28.840 rely on them to do the communication because they really 1:05:28.920 --> 1:05:31.360 are the experts. And so I would imagine the smaller 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:35.480 companies more rely on their third party administrator or there. 1:05:36.280 --> 1:05:39.560 They're like an outsourced sort of organization that handles that 1:05:39.640 --> 1:05:42.440 for them because honestly, they're the experts. So it's going 1:05:42.520 --> 1:05:44.040 to be it's going to be a better use of 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:44.400 their time. 1:05:44.440 --> 1:05:47.680 Anyway, before we started talking, I'll pivot to something else here, 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:51.240 Julie Bucky, you were going off in a private conversation 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:52.800 we had, and I've got a little bit more time 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:55.840 to kill here with you. So Zach Taylor said that 1:05:56.000 --> 1:05:59.160 someone needs to step up relative to this this hapless 1:05:59.200 --> 1:06:03.240 Bengals defense. Somebody needs to step up. You, as someone 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:06.160 who's in HR, you observe leadership. You're you know, you're 1:06:06.200 --> 1:06:08.479 in the corner office. You're a C suite kind of person. 1:06:08.800 --> 1:06:11.440 When you hear the head of an organization say someone 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:12.960 needs to step up? What does that say to you? 1:06:14.600 --> 1:06:16.680 H of course I cringe. Of course I was at 1:06:16.720 --> 1:06:23.080 the game, so especially salty. But can you imagine the CEO. 1:06:22.880 --> 1:06:23.840 Of Croction and Gamble? 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:26.040 And I know Jack said more than that, So can 1:06:26.080 --> 1:06:30.120 you imagine the top of any organization, bea a government, public, private, 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:33.320 somebody needs to step up here? It's like, well what 1:06:33.440 --> 1:06:36.520 happened to the buck stop here? You know? And I 1:06:36.640 --> 1:06:38.720 know that the defense get together and have their own 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:42.240 meeting and all of that, but the coach, the people 1:06:42.360 --> 1:06:45.840 at the top set the tone. People are looking for 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:51.440 someone to follow, either in either in tone the tone 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:54.240 make set, or the attitude that they support and bring 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:58.960 to the party. And you have as a leader, nobody 1:06:59.040 --> 1:07:01.440 wants to see you stand up in front of a 1:07:01.480 --> 1:07:04.560 group and go anyone, anyone, anyone, you know. I mean, 1:07:04.560 --> 1:07:06.400 It's just that's just what it felt like to me, 1:07:06.560 --> 1:07:08.680 and it just it just made me cringe. So I 1:07:08.760 --> 1:07:10.440 think I was resenting to you about that. 1:07:11.600 --> 1:07:14.840 No, I don't think you're entirely miss accurate. They're and 1:07:14.920 --> 1:07:16.800 inaccurate there, I guess I should say, is it somebody 1:07:16.800 --> 1:07:19.080 needs a step up. But it isn't that then indicative 1:07:19.120 --> 1:07:22.200 of his ability as a scout slash head coach. Duke 1:07:22.280 --> 1:07:24.720 Tobin as the is the essential of the guy who 1:07:24.760 --> 1:07:26.640 gets the players. I mean, if you don't, if you 1:07:26.720 --> 1:07:29.520 don't wind up recruiting in business or in football or 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:32.360 sports for that matter, people who not everyone's going to 1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:33.880 be a you know, run through the wall leader. You 1:07:33.920 --> 1:07:36.120 can't have a team full of those. But that's a 1:07:36.200 --> 1:07:38.040 defense that tells me that's a team that doesn't have 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:38.800 any leadership. 1:07:40.440 --> 1:07:40.640 Yeah. 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:44.400 Yeah, it does make me wonder a certain point. That 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:47.920 was all. You know, I don't even pretend to know 1:07:48.720 --> 1:07:50.840 one percent of what there is to know about football, 1:07:50.880 --> 1:07:53.800 so I'm always just really careful. That's like the feeling 1:07:53.880 --> 1:07:56.640 in the stadium with something else on Sunday. It was 1:07:56.840 --> 1:07:59.960 very much like everybody was stunned into silence. 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:01.880 Then the boots. 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:04.520 Started, but everyone's like, I mean, people look at each 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:07.880 other like what just happened? It was really it was 1:08:08.040 --> 1:08:12.120 really a really different experience being there, and that doesn't 1:08:12.160 --> 1:08:15.280 happen with tight, well coordinated teams in at Procter and 1:08:15.280 --> 1:08:18.280 Gamble or at Kroger or you know, in the city 1:08:18.280 --> 1:08:20.240 of Loveland or wherever you know. I mean, it's just 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:25.880 people are people are in all those roles, and there 1:08:25.920 --> 1:08:28.559 are certain commonalities that all humans have with each other. 1:08:29.000 --> 1:08:30.840 We want to be led, we want to be inspired, 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:34.280 and it falls to it falls to the people at 1:08:34.320 --> 1:08:36.160 the top to set that tone. And if you can't, 1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:39.000 you've got to look at it, bring somebody in who can. 1:08:39.080 --> 1:08:41.760 It's that it's that little extra oomp that you get 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:43.240 by having an inspiring leader. 1:08:44.280 --> 1:08:46.080 Yeah, I don't know that at this point. If Zach 1:08:46.160 --> 1:08:49.439 Taylor can do anything else. It's the fact that well, 1:08:49.920 --> 1:08:53.519 they don't draft very well and don'tus address problems as 1:08:53.560 --> 1:08:55.679 they come up. And there's a whole host of other problem. 1:08:55.720 --> 1:08:57.560 I know they got a bigger problem because Friday is 1:08:57.640 --> 1:09:00.559 to drop dead day on Friday, and if you want 1:09:00.600 --> 1:09:03.320 to renew your season tickets at a higher price than 1:09:03.400 --> 1:09:06.800 this past season, that's decision today right there. Julie Bauki 1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:09.000 all the best our curer, shirp at the Bauki Group, 1:09:09.080 --> 1:09:12.479 Bauk e the Balkigroup dot Com career coaching consult right 1:09:12.479 --> 1:09:14.000 here in Cincinnati, can help you out if you are 1:09:14.080 --> 1:09:16.200 lost in the woods or looking for your way out. 1:09:16.280 --> 1:09:20.040 She's got you jewels all the best. Thanks again, Julie 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:21.840 on the job this morning with the news on the 1:09:21.880 --> 1:09:25.240 way in four minutes and when a return. This uh 1:09:26.280 --> 1:09:28.600 Zoar Mamdani is looks like he is going to be 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:30.080 the next mayor of the City of New York. Normally 1:09:30.120 --> 1:09:32.080 don't care too much about what happens in New York City. 1:09:32.240 --> 1:09:34.479 I care about Ohio. I came to bout Kentucky, care 1:09:34.479 --> 1:09:36.320 about Indiana. So you look at you New York go 1:09:36.560 --> 1:09:38.719 New York LA. I you know, not a big cable 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:40.680 news guy, don't really care all that much what's going 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:43.439 on there. But I think you'd miss something if you 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:47.200 didn't see that. The attitude that's allowing that to happen, granted, 1:09:47.400 --> 1:09:50.840 very progressive, very liberal New York City, but and about 1:09:50.920 --> 1:09:53.920 socialists with some of the policies he's proposing here makes 1:09:53.960 --> 1:09:56.000 one shake their head. And how did we get to 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:57.960 this point? Is the question that someone like that can 1:09:58.000 --> 1:10:02.200 actually win office in the larger, most impactful city in 1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:04.080 the United States. We'll get to that next on seven 1:10:04.160 --> 1:10:05.439 hundred WW Cincinnati. 1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:08.080 Don't want to be an American. 1:10:09.240 --> 1:10:11.360 Mendami. That's the name you need to know, because in 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:13.599 the next few days as we get to the election, 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:17.360 he's probably going to be the next mayor of the 1:10:17.439 --> 1:10:21.639 City of New York. A socialist to be the mayor 1:10:21.760 --> 1:10:24.479 of the City of New York. That is frightening for 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:28.160 a lot of people, warming for many others as well, 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:31.040 But it does throw things in a turmoil. Shows you 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:33.840 how the way politics is going for that matter. Also, 1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:36.720 you know, we're in Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky. Now, if 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:40.120 you watch cable news, you probably get a steady die 1:10:40.160 --> 1:10:42.439 of the fear of this guy. But most people I 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:44.240 live in Ohio, I'm in the middle of I don't 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:48.000 care who cares New York City. If he continues the 1:10:48.040 --> 1:10:50.559 path he's going to, and let's say he winds up 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:52.200 becoming the next mayor of New York City, he's going 1:10:52.240 --> 1:10:54.760 to help reshape the narrative and the politics and the 1:10:54.880 --> 1:10:57.840 leadership nationally if that occurs. The why and the how. 1:10:58.600 --> 1:11:01.240 Ken Girardan is with Manhattan Institute, writes about this in 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:03.519 Socialism on the Husband and I love the title, Ken, 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:03.960 how are you? 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:06.000 Cory could be with you? 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:08.160 You're there there, You're in the heart of the thing. 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:09.920 So you know more about this guy than most of 1:11:10.040 --> 1:11:13.320 us do. But is that fairly accurate, Like there's an 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:15.599 underbelly here that this guy and we see socialism pop 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:17.240 up from time to time, but this guy could be 1:11:17.280 --> 1:11:19.559 the next mayor of New York City. That's gonna change. 1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:21.760 It's gonna be kind of like a maybe a mini 1:11:21.840 --> 1:11:23.479 blue wave going across the country. 1:11:25.080 --> 1:11:26.960 I'd actually pushed back a little bit and I'd say 1:11:27.320 --> 1:11:31.479 he's kind of a lagging indicator. Okay, that is him 1:11:31.600 --> 1:11:35.360 winning the primary. That was a kind of a wake 1:11:35.439 --> 1:11:38.400 up call to folks to say, let's let's zoom out 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:42.479 and look and just see where socialist proposals have already 1:11:42.560 --> 1:11:45.599 taken route, some of them. Donnie had spent five years 1:11:45.640 --> 1:11:48.720 in the state of Emily in Albany, and so that 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:51.800 was my first stop. And I looked there and I 1:11:52.200 --> 1:11:55.760 reviewed there are a number of socialist proposals, some of 1:11:55.840 --> 1:12:00.800 which have pretty widespread political support, but other big ones 1:12:00.880 --> 1:12:03.840 also predate him as an assemblement. And I thought this 1:12:04.000 --> 1:12:06.519 was a good opportunity to take a look at the full, 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:11.280 the full buffet of stuff that people in the socialist 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:14.599 persuasion want sure, And I bring that up. 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:17.040 As I said, Okay, you could see because among younger 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:19.479 people Younger people love socialists. You go to a college campus, 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:21.400 you know you've got Socialism is the greatest thaying. We 1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:23.280 just got to do the right time. Socialism is a 1:12:23.280 --> 1:12:26.680 failed experiment, but we just we haven't fully done socialism yet. 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:29.439 And that's always the excuse, right, is so why socialism fails. 1:12:29.800 --> 1:12:31.960 And of course there's a host of other reasons. There's 1:12:32.080 --> 1:12:35.720 you know, central planning can't allocate resources effectively, and you 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:38.639 get rid of competition and that drives incentivization a whole 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:41.040 bunch of things. And we can get into why socialism 1:12:41.160 --> 1:12:44.280 is bad as a as a political philosophy. But young 1:12:44.320 --> 1:12:46.280 people see because yeah, I look at young people to America. 1:12:46.280 --> 1:12:49.479 It's New York City or Cincinnati, and hey, they're worried 1:12:49.479 --> 1:12:52.280 about jobs, they're about housing, they worried about health care. 1:12:52.400 --> 1:12:55.559 Healthcare is a mass. Both Republicans Democrats created this problem, 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:57.599 and no one has a solution to fixing it other 1:12:57.720 --> 1:13:00.280 than more subsidies that we continue to borrow money to 1:13:00.360 --> 1:13:02.679 give subsceeded to people to make it afford It's not affordable. 1:13:02.720 --> 1:13:04.640 We're just taking money from one pile and moving it 1:13:04.720 --> 1:13:07.559 somewhere else. You worry about you know, people haven't worked 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:09.320 two or three or more jobs just to keep their 1:13:09.360 --> 1:13:11.320 nose above water, and a lot of people can't do that. 1:13:11.800 --> 1:13:15.400 Housing is getting unrealistically unexpensive, So there's like a grossola 1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:17.920 of young people feel like they're painted in a corner 1:13:18.000 --> 1:13:20.519 right now, and that is always a catalyst or something 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:21.320 like this coming along. 1:13:22.320 --> 1:13:26.560 Well, let's remember everybody grows up in not just socialism, 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:29.640 but actually communism to a certain extent. That's where your 1:13:29.680 --> 1:13:32.599 family is, like I have I have communism at home 1:13:32.680 --> 1:13:38.519 with my children, where there's communal responsibility, community, communal ownership, 1:13:38.840 --> 1:13:41.719 and that's great within the family unit. When you start 1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:44.280 trying to build an entire society around it, that's where 1:13:44.360 --> 1:13:48.240 things historically have always fallen apart and struggled. That's where 1:13:48.439 --> 1:13:52.800 you inevitably have markets because you always have mismatching needs 1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:56.960 and wants between family units. And that's something where the 1:13:57.280 --> 1:14:00.960 socialists don't appreciate that different. It's between what goes on 1:14:01.080 --> 1:14:03.680 in the family and what goes on between people with 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:07.840 different situations, resources, skills, and and neat. 1:14:09.479 --> 1:14:12.479 Yeah, it's socialism, is uh. And then the next phase 1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:14.640 after communist socialism. You know a lot of people go 1:14:14.720 --> 1:14:16.840 to school and they learn about socialism and then it 1:14:17.000 --> 1:14:19.760 just becomes the you know, one campus agitator talking about 1:14:19.760 --> 1:14:22.400 we just haven't had perfect socialism, the right socialism yet. 1:14:22.439 --> 1:14:25.160 But you know the basis of socialism just in general, 1:14:25.240 --> 1:14:28.240 let alone. The version of what democratic socialism is is 1:14:28.479 --> 1:14:31.200 it's government ownership and control. It's a single payer system, 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:34.000 there's no private competition, and you need all that to 1:14:34.120 --> 1:14:35.120 thrive into democracy. 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:35.519 You need that. 1:14:36.120 --> 1:14:38.400 And you know, certainly we have problems in America, there's 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:40.560 no denying that. But you know, you want to be 1:14:40.720 --> 1:14:43.519 like I don't know, you want to be like like 1:14:43.640 --> 1:14:45.560 the former Soviet Union. Do you want to be like 1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:49.000 you know, China during during the seventies, Do you want 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:53.080 to be Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea? The answer is hell, no. 1:14:55.920 --> 1:15:02.360 You're you're, you're you're very politely going through the history 1:15:02.400 --> 1:15:07.160 of instances where major, major attempts at socialism have been tried, 1:15:07.560 --> 1:15:11.120 and one thing that's really unappreciated all that is the 1:15:11.760 --> 1:15:14.679 disappearance of price signals. When you start having the government 1:15:14.800 --> 1:15:17.639 promise that they're going to provide everything. I think back 1:15:17.640 --> 1:15:20.920 to an example from about twenty years ago when the 1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:26.640 Cuban government had to provide rice cookers for citizens, and 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:28.639 there was this it was this big to do. Wow, 1:15:28.760 --> 1:15:31.360 isn't it so magnanimous? The Cuban government is providing all 1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:35.439 citizens with rice cookers. And the reason this happened was 1:15:35.520 --> 1:15:39.240 because the shortage of rice cookers in Cuba had really 1:15:40.080 --> 1:15:43.080 fanned the flames of the black market that the government 1:15:43.120 --> 1:15:46.800 had created for everything else because people weren't because there 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:48.680 were so many shortages that people were having to go 1:15:48.880 --> 1:15:51.720 and trade on their own, and you had this sort 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:57.760 of blossoming private, private, underground economy. And that's something that 1:15:57.840 --> 1:16:02.320 socials don't appreciate that prices send information. Prices tell us 1:16:02.640 --> 1:16:05.600 where things are needed, where things are wanted, right, And 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:08.479 that's why you see in those you know, in those 1:16:08.479 --> 1:16:11.840 societies that they inevitably really do lean into socialism, they 1:16:11.920 --> 1:16:13.040 inevitably run into trouble. 1:16:13.920 --> 1:16:16.559 Soviet Union comes to mind, chronic shortage of consumer goods 1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:18.679 and we saw the pictures I'm lined up for toilet 1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:21.759 paper to be handed out right. You've got abundant natural 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:24.519 resources in the Soviet Union, and yet that happened, and 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:26.800 you know, we saw the economic collapse, and then they 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:28.920 kind of want to go back to that because you 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:31.559 have a generation or two that didn't see how bad 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:33.880 it was. It's kind of like here with vaccines, right, 1:16:33.920 --> 1:16:35.760 it's like, oh, well, what the vaccine's got to be 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:38.200 worse than whooping cough. Well, if you see what wooping 1:16:38.240 --> 1:16:40.479 cough looks like, you would rather take the vaccine they 1:16:40.520 --> 1:16:41.760 have wooping cough. It's the same thing. 1:16:42.640 --> 1:16:45.000 Yeah, it's unfortunate that these are the sorts of lessons 1:16:45.080 --> 1:16:49.600 that every generation seems inevitably to have to relearn. And 1:16:50.160 --> 1:16:55.000 it's now been thirty four years since the fall of communism, 1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:58.479 and there are people alive in their thirties who have 1:16:58.640 --> 1:17:03.320 never who weren't alive for the USSR, And we have 1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:07.160 to be constantly reminding people about these about these lessons 1:17:07.160 --> 1:17:09.320 where they still exist in the world. We can't rely 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:12.880 too much talk about what went on behind the Iron Curtain, 1:17:13.320 --> 1:17:15.600 and we have to talk more about where these shortfalls 1:17:15.640 --> 1:17:19.479 are in existing countries, including by the way, sometimes own, 1:17:20.000 --> 1:17:22.840 and talk about where these experiments with socialism just haven't 1:17:22.880 --> 1:17:23.360 panned out. 1:17:24.360 --> 1:17:26.320 Yeah, and that is a lesson. But of course the 1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:29.320 cry has always been yeah, but it's different now, is 1:17:29.360 --> 1:17:32.160 it really all that different? Because it's an economic next 1:17:32.200 --> 1:17:33.840 time will be different. Yeah, next time its dead. Well, 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:35.800 they haven't gotten it right yet. I mean, look at 1:17:35.840 --> 1:17:38.559 some of these other countries like Sweden, it's that's more 1:17:38.640 --> 1:17:42.840 democratic socialism and okay, so explain to me how things 1:17:42.880 --> 1:17:43.640 are so perfect in. 1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:46.760 A world like that and it's not even I mean, 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:49.080 let's be clear, there's a very big difference between having 1:17:49.200 --> 1:17:53.919 a very robust welfare state funded with lots of taxes 1:17:54.479 --> 1:17:58.960 and still allowing market competition to happen. What probably what 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:00.880 we should be more concerned abot is where the government 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:03.400 wants to step in and be the only provider of 1:18:03.479 --> 1:18:06.719 certain things, where you stop having competition, where you staff 1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:10.519 having capital allocation. That's where you also run into really 1:18:10.520 --> 1:18:14.240 big problems with cronyism when you start to put government 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:17.800 in charge of things like like the electric grid or 1:18:18.000 --> 1:18:22.240 the healthcare system, and you you move away from what 1:18:22.520 --> 1:18:27.240 is an imperfect but at least responsive system. And that's 1:18:27.600 --> 1:18:29.559 one of the that's one of the importances of preserving 1:18:29.600 --> 1:18:33.000 those market systems because in a in a poor performing 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:35.240 part of the market, you can always go somewhere else. 1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:38.120 You lose that when you have the state takeover stuff 1:18:38.360 --> 1:18:40.800 and even and like I said, in Scandinavia, they have 1:18:40.920 --> 1:18:44.360 a lot of social wealth spending, but they don't necessarily 1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:47.920 have assiciating state ownership of things. There's a there's a 1:18:48.000 --> 1:18:50.160 very big difference there, and I think people try to 1:18:50.200 --> 1:18:54.840 almost impolitely sneak Scandinavia through as some example of this, 1:18:55.160 --> 1:18:58.200 you know, Democratic socialist nirvana. 1:18:58.320 --> 1:19:01.880 But it's not. And that's the thing. Most people don't 1:19:01.920 --> 1:19:04.479 research it or find that out themselves. Can Gerardan is 1:19:04.479 --> 1:19:07.800 here Manhattan Institute Socialism and the husband the Hudson the 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:11.400 husband Socialism on the husband back to your family situation. Anyway, 1:19:11.800 --> 1:19:14.000 I'm Donnie's the guy in New York City, the Democratic 1:19:14.040 --> 1:19:16.120 Socialists who just won the Merrill primary there, and a 1:19:16.160 --> 1:19:17.800 lot of people are talking to this in the political scene. 1:19:17.840 --> 1:19:19.880 And you know, if he winds up winning the mayoralship 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:22.679 of New York City, which is possible, will you see 1:19:23.040 --> 1:19:25.040 like a mini blue wave. I think that'd be like 1:19:25.080 --> 1:19:27.280 a ripple effect because other people look at this and go, wow, yeah, 1:19:27.280 --> 1:19:29.400 clearly the people are upset. Now that's New York City. 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:32.120 The politics and demands in New York City much different 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:35.160 than here in Ohio, certainly one hundred percent. But these 1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:37.760 are the things, these are the mile posts that come 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:40.840 along and people go, wow, Okay, it's a growing movement. 1:19:40.880 --> 1:19:42.640 It has to start somewhere, and why not in New 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:45.559 York City, And largely because there's a lot of people 1:19:45.640 --> 1:19:48.760 who are affected by this economy, this effect that I 1:19:48.800 --> 1:19:50.840 should say, with jobs and housing and healthcare. You know, 1:19:51.080 --> 1:19:54.720 you bring up how socialism, but we have a lot 1:19:54.760 --> 1:19:57.280 of socialism baked into policies in America, right, I mean, 1:19:57.320 --> 1:19:59.720 you mentioned healthcare. Is there anything more socialistic than our 1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:02.559 health care system or schools or whatever it might be. Now, granted, 1:20:02.600 --> 1:20:04.640 we're trying to be able to take your money, make 1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:06.920 it portable and have private schools and vouchers and things 1:20:07.000 --> 1:20:09.519 like that with a lot of resistance, but we've got 1:20:09.520 --> 1:20:11.559 a lot of socialism banked into the American system. 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:17.400 Now you have instances where we were the most efficient 1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:19.800 system right now is to have state ownership for things, 1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:22.840 and we should be constantly looking critically at that and 1:20:22.960 --> 1:20:26.439 looking for alternatives. Doesn't mean you should throw it out, 1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:29.080 but we should always be asking the question is this 1:20:29.240 --> 1:20:32.560 the most efficient, responsive way to do stuff? Because we 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:35.080 often find it isn't. Look at what's happened with the 1:20:35.080 --> 1:20:38.439 postal service over the past fifty to sixty seventy years 1:20:38.840 --> 1:20:42.280 where you've had private actors come and you know, they 1:20:42.400 --> 1:20:45.320 have been given the space to compete, and in a 1:20:45.360 --> 1:20:47.880 lot of cases they're eating the postal services lunch because 1:20:48.560 --> 1:20:51.559 competition was you know, competition was allowed there. Now we're 1:20:51.600 --> 1:20:54.640 not going to have rival you know snow. You know, 1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:57.200 we're not going to have rival roads or a private 1:20:57.280 --> 1:21:00.800 roads to our houses anytime soon. But in places like 1:21:00.840 --> 1:21:03.840 the healthcare in the education space, we routinely find that 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:08.200 competition not only leads to innovation, but also leads to 1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:11.320 better outcomes for folks. In New York, there are lots 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:14.759 of what are called charter schools, which are publicly funded, 1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:18.519 privately run schools that parents can pick if they don't 1:21:18.600 --> 1:21:20.640 like how their neighborhood school is performing. And there are 1:21:20.680 --> 1:21:23.080 parts of New York City where a third of the 1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:26.040 public school kids are now in charter schools because they've 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:29.519 been given that alternative, that competition. It's good, it's healthy, 1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:32.439 and we should constantly be looking for opportunities to create 1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:36.080 more competition, even for instances that we right now call 1:21:36.200 --> 1:21:36.679 the government. 1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:39.960 It's hard to believe we're like what sixty seventy years past, 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:42.760 Brown versus Board of education. But that's exactly what this is. 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:45.360 It's like, you know, mister Brown back in the day, said, 1:21:45.479 --> 1:21:48.200 why do I have to send my kid, my weapons 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:50.000 to be black to a school on the other side 1:21:50.000 --> 1:21:51.719 of town simply because of her skin color? Why can't 1:21:51.720 --> 1:21:53.640 you go to the one right down the street from us? 1:21:53.840 --> 1:21:55.840 Same things happening today too. It's like, well, wait, why 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:58.080 do I have to send my kid across town to 1:21:58.200 --> 1:22:01.320 a school that's performing when a underperforming school, why don't 1:22:01.320 --> 1:22:03.400 we just fix the school that's broken that steps away 1:22:03.400 --> 1:22:06.160 from my house. Same type of argument, and here we 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:08.519 go again, and a limit of time we have because 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:10.240 I don't know how many people are found this man 1:22:10.360 --> 1:22:13.840 Danny thing. But we really haven't discussed his hit list, 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:15.800 his wants and these and what he wants to do 1:22:15.840 --> 1:22:17.839 New York City, why he won the mayor all primary. 1:22:17.880 --> 1:22:19.240 What are some of the promise What are some things 1:22:19.280 --> 1:22:21.240 that jumped off the page at you when it comes 1:22:21.280 --> 1:22:23.840 to the reforms they want to do with a democratic, 1:22:23.920 --> 1:22:25.800 socialist or socialist system in New York City. 1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:30.519 Three major parts of some of them on Donnie's platform 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:34.879 were making buses free with the New York City providing 1:22:35.040 --> 1:22:40.640 free universal childcare, and then also freezing the rent for 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:42.840 about half the apartment in New York City, those that 1:22:42.920 --> 1:22:45.280 are subject to New York City rent regulations. 1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:48.960 Right, Okay, so I'm a landlord, I own property, So 1:22:49.080 --> 1:22:51.000 you're telling me I have a cap on how much 1:22:51.040 --> 1:22:52.680 I can charge. What do you think I'm gonna do? 1:22:52.840 --> 1:22:56.640 Ken, I would not be shocked if you were to 1:22:56.800 --> 1:22:59.919 immediately sell your property if that were the case. 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:02.240 Sell to the stead or it's like, okay, fine, I'll 1:23:02.320 --> 1:23:04.519 keep it. But you know your microwave breaks. You think 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:07.160 I'm going to replace that anytime soon? The roof is laking, 1:23:07.240 --> 1:23:10.519 a pipe is broken, your refrigerator isn't working. Where's my 1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:12.920 incentive to fix that if I can't recoup my losses. 1:23:14.200 --> 1:23:17.160 This is something again that predates Mamdani. This goes back 1:23:17.200 --> 1:23:20.519 to the twenty nineteen rent laws in New York, which 1:23:20.680 --> 1:23:24.160 were quite possibly the most extreme rent regulation in the country. 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:27.160 But what they've resulted in is something called warehousing, where 1:23:27.160 --> 1:23:30.680 you have these apartment buildings where a tenant moved out 1:23:31.560 --> 1:23:34.760 and the landlord just doesn't want to spend ninety or 1:23:34.760 --> 1:23:39.439 one hundred thousand dollars rehabilitating this apartment. That's often been 1:23:39.479 --> 1:23:42.439 occupied for forty plus years, and they don't want to 1:23:42.479 --> 1:23:44.479 do the upgrades. They don't they don't want to spend 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:48.560 the money on major mitigation. So instead this apartment gets warehoused, 1:23:48.720 --> 1:23:51.720 which means nobody gets to rent it. It contributes to 1:23:51.960 --> 1:23:55.479 the housing shortage in New York City. It stresses the 1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:58.839 finances of those buildings and limits the apartment owner's ability 1:23:58.880 --> 1:24:02.920 to invest others that would benefit the other tenants. And 1:24:03.520 --> 1:24:06.439 it is something that is there for which there Eventually 1:24:06.520 --> 1:24:08.920 there will be a reckoning in New York as more 1:24:08.960 --> 1:24:13.400 apartments get warehoused, as more apartment buildings get pushed into 1:24:13.439 --> 1:24:16.160 financial distress by this law, and at the end of 1:24:16.200 --> 1:24:18.479 the day, the biggest losers are going to be the 1:24:18.560 --> 1:24:19.439 tenants in. 1:24:19.479 --> 1:24:21.599 New York City. It looks like it did in the seventies, 1:24:22.040 --> 1:24:25.920 where you have burnt out buildings and poverty on top 1:24:26.000 --> 1:24:29.080 of poverty, and it becomes a dystopian nightmare. 1:24:30.000 --> 1:24:32.880 I very much hope that we don't ever ever revisit 1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:36.320 that situation that we saw, particular the Bronx comes to 1:24:36.439 --> 1:24:39.360 mind in the nineteen seventies. I really hope we don't 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:42.599 get there, but it is always possible for state policy 1:24:43.080 --> 1:24:46.959 to result in very big problems, especially at the local. 1:24:46.800 --> 1:24:50.040 Level, largely because history always repeats itself. Because we have 1:24:50.160 --> 1:24:51.800 short memories, we don't learn, We don't look at the 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:53.680 past and go, wow, we got to keep doing We go, well, 1:24:53.680 --> 1:24:55.439 why are we doing that? Why are we doing it? No, 1:24:55.520 --> 1:24:57.800 it's different now, it's really not really that different. The model. 1:24:58.160 --> 1:25:01.880 The model still works, and the of socialism historically speaking, 1:25:01.960 --> 1:25:04.839 even though theoretically, you know, theory is one thing you applied, 1:25:04.880 --> 1:25:08.360 it doesn't work. You know, central planning can't allocate resources 1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:10.120 unless you as you mentioned, you know, there's got to 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:12.479 be signals from the from the market on what a 1:25:12.520 --> 1:25:14.400 price on something should be. If not, you're gonna have 1:25:14.400 --> 1:25:17.320 shortages and surpluses and misallocate. You're gonna have a million 1:25:17.400 --> 1:25:19.880 toilet seats and no toilet papers, which are gonna wind 1:25:20.000 --> 1:25:23.080 up having. And there's no incentive for companies to make stuff. 1:25:23.439 --> 1:25:25.320 We say again back to the Soviet Union, you have 1:25:25.439 --> 1:25:27.439 one one type of car is all you have? Well, 1:25:27.479 --> 1:25:30.080 good the hot did that work out for those vehicles, 1:25:30.479 --> 1:25:33.200 whether it's in Cuba or whether it's the Soviet Union. 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:35.960 And Venezuela is another great example. Oil rich high You 1:25:36.240 --> 1:25:38.760 know you can talk about not having resource, but Venezuela 1:25:38.840 --> 1:25:41.240 is an oil is an oil rich nation. And you 1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:43.759 look at what happened there because they nationalize the industries. 1:25:43.840 --> 1:25:47.519 Productivity went down. You had seven plus million people fleeing 1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:50.160 in their GDP collapsed. That's why Venezuela is in the 1:25:50.200 --> 1:25:51.840 state that's in right, and that's why we're blown up 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:56.479 ships off their coast because you know, exporting drugs as 1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:59.600 a you know, front for China is the only opportunity 1:25:59.640 --> 1:26:01.880 that they have and it's an all origination. It's it's 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:02.680 a shame, it really is. 1:26:03.600 --> 1:26:04.840 Well, next time will be different. 1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:08.840 Yeah, but you know what, because now we have the 1:26:08.920 --> 1:26:11.439 Internet and that's the game change. We have AI. They 1:26:11.479 --> 1:26:13.680 didn't have the they didn't have the AI back in 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:15.679 the nineties. It's gonna be different this time around. 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:15.800 Now. 1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:18.200 The only thing to change was we had yet people 1:26:18.280 --> 1:26:21.120 come of age, be born and not seeing the abject 1:26:21.200 --> 1:26:23.880 poverty and problems with these models and then they just 1:26:23.960 --> 1:26:26.000 go this seems like a sexy thing because they're buying 1:26:26.200 --> 1:26:28.479 you know, they're they're buying something somebody else almos like, yeah, 1:26:28.520 --> 1:26:30.479 you don't have to work and the state supplies everything. 1:26:30.560 --> 1:26:32.599 Sign me up? Who doesn't want that. It's like crawling 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:35.080 back in the womb. You don't have to be responsible, accountable. 1:26:35.240 --> 1:26:37.040 You don't have to hustle or do anything. But if 1:26:37.360 --> 1:26:39.760 if you do, and if you want to, we don't 1:26:39.800 --> 1:26:42.800 have room for you. There's no incentive to do that. Again, 1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:44.599 it's a kinjerard. And you can read about this at 1:26:44.720 --> 1:26:47.320 Manhattan Institute dot dot com or is it dot org? 1:26:47.360 --> 1:26:51.040 I apologize it's Manhattan dot Institute. 1:26:50.760 --> 1:26:55.000 Manhattan dot Institute. There you go. So I really it 1:26:55.040 --> 1:26:56.840 could be the best, the good best, or socialism on 1:26:56.880 --> 1:26:59.080 the husband. Anyway, thanks again, I appreciate it can be well, 1:26:59.360 --> 1:27:02.519 thanks for you. Yeah, this guy went from come on, 1:27:02.640 --> 1:27:05.040 it's another joke and other socialist. Actually it looks like 1:27:05.080 --> 1:27:08.240 he's gonna wind up winning, uh, the Mayor's office city 1:27:08.240 --> 1:27:10.320 of New York. And that's gonna be really interesting considering 1:27:10.400 --> 1:27:14.280 this anti cop and pretty anti capitalism kind of stance 1:27:14.320 --> 1:27:17.880 on a lot of stuff AOC incorporated over there. We'll 1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:20.920 see how it goes. Probably not well. Probably rent control 1:27:21.000 --> 1:27:23.679 is another one. I don't see how that works out anyway. 1:27:23.800 --> 1:27:25.680 We live in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana. We don't live in 1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:28.479 New York City, so there you go news in just 1:27:28.520 --> 1:27:30.960 a few minutes, and when returned to The Scotsland Show 1:27:30.960 --> 1:27:34.880 on seven hundred w W, Sarah's here snorting through her nose, 1:27:35.280 --> 1:27:40.080 laughing about sports because the alternative is crying snorts of 1:27:40.120 --> 1:27:43.000 all sorts aka the Snort Report. Next seven hundred. 1:28:02.640 --> 1:28:05.719 Might get a little spicy today. I'm curious, yes. 1:28:06.400 --> 1:28:10.880 To know someone who's eternally optimistic, not ridiculous like SEG 1:28:10.960 --> 1:28:12.479 where they could be oh to twelve. 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:14.040 Oh, We're never on SEG. 1:28:14.240 --> 1:28:17.719 Don't think you're on that level of fandom slash ass kissing, 1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:20.920 slash delusion. Where are your craziness? Where are you with 1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:22.040 this football team right now? 1:28:22.760 --> 1:28:24.679 The game over the weekend sent me over the edge. 1:28:24.640 --> 1:28:25.960 Over the edge. You were there, weren't you? 1:28:26.160 --> 1:28:26.599 I was there. 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:30.160 I was with my husband, my dad, my uncle. I 1:28:30.240 --> 1:28:32.760 think among the four of us there were over one 1:28:32.840 --> 1:28:35.400 hundred f bombs dropped. Hi, you going to lose to 1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:38.559 the seven Jets. If anyone's going to hand them thirty 1:28:38.640 --> 1:28:40.360 nine points, it might as well be the Bengals defense. 1:28:40.400 --> 1:28:44.519 They put up five hundred plus yards. The last time 1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:46.600 they did that was like fifteen years ago when they 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:48.800 played the Bengals. The last time unheard of. 1:28:49.520 --> 1:28:53.120 God, I guess on Monday they had a defensive player's 1:28:53.320 --> 1:28:54.439 only meeting to. 1:28:54.520 --> 1:28:56.240 Be a fly on the wall and there I don't 1:28:56.280 --> 1:28:59.439 know what they accomplished. What are you going to say, 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:01.599 we want. 1:29:01.479 --> 1:29:04.480 To step up? Someone needs to be a cup, somebody. 1:29:04.200 --> 1:29:07.320 Needs No, He's right, that's crazy. 1:29:07.360 --> 1:29:10.439 Adment of your team is that you don't have any leaders. 1:29:11.000 --> 1:29:13.360 Trey Hendrickson, What about that guy? Isn't he one of 1:29:13.439 --> 1:29:16.040 the captains but he's not loud? Didn't you name six 1:29:16.160 --> 1:29:17.080 guys as captain? 1:29:17.200 --> 1:29:19.439 You the guy's going to just start screaming at guys 1:29:19.720 --> 1:29:21.519 in the room. That's what you need. That's a leader. 1:29:23.160 --> 1:29:25.360 When am I going to see Zach Taylor throw a chair? 1:29:26.240 --> 1:29:26.519 You're not. 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:30.280 I want to see some chair throwing. Come on, get 1:29:30.400 --> 1:29:30.960 pissed off. 1:29:31.080 --> 1:29:36.160 Imagine what Dan Campbell would be doing, right, throw a chair? 1:29:36.800 --> 1:29:38.680 You think Tomlin threw some chairs after you got beat 1:29:38.680 --> 1:29:39.040 by the back. 1:29:40.640 --> 1:29:45.160 Yes, we need the Tomlin attitude here in Cincinnati Sunday. 1:29:45.200 --> 1:29:48.200 Set me over. Now, it's it's Wednesday. It's so mad, 1:29:48.479 --> 1:29:48.760 he said. 1:29:48.800 --> 1:29:50.720 There's the thing. That's how Zach Taylor gets fired. He 1:29:50.840 --> 1:29:53.519 takes a chair and throws it through a window and 1:29:53.600 --> 1:29:56.320 he gets fired for destroying company property because that cost money. 1:29:56.640 --> 1:30:00.479 Exactly, you're losing the jet. 1:30:00.840 --> 1:30:04.480 Buddy broke a windows, get calling not sound a thousand dollars. 1:30:04.240 --> 1:30:06.160 Of that window in that chair was sixty nine to 1:30:06.240 --> 1:30:07.840 ninety eight at IKEA. 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:11.080 Probably we're not going to have this run a tight budget. 1:30:10.760 --> 1:30:12.559 Down here now. That just set them over. 1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:17.519 Oh my god, I'm still not okay, speaking of money, 1:30:18.000 --> 1:30:21.719 season ticket holders not okay. I came across this article 1:30:21.840 --> 1:30:25.160 yesterday from Cincinnati inchoir, making its rounds all over social media. 1:30:25.200 --> 1:30:27.160 I've got it on my Twitter X page out Sarah 1:30:27.160 --> 1:30:30.839 at least one twenty eight go chime in. The comments 1:30:30.920 --> 1:30:33.559 are so good. At least just read the comments about 1:30:33.560 --> 1:30:35.040 pissed off season ticket members. 1:30:35.760 --> 1:30:35.880 Uh. 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:38.519 The article is a thank you letter to the Brown 1:30:38.600 --> 1:30:44.040 and Blackburn family for increasing season ticket pricing for twenty 1:30:44.160 --> 1:30:48.479 twenty six. The example in this article, the guy says 1:30:48.520 --> 1:30:52.040 he's paying forty six hundred dollars for nine games now 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:56.599 next season, going up to six thousand dollars six thousand 1:30:56.680 --> 1:31:01.280 bucks in twenty twenty six. He says, since twenty twenty two, 1:31:02.000 --> 1:31:07.320 tickets have increased by over two hundred percent. Also, season 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:10.760 ticket members not happy that their thank you gift is 1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:11.320 a sticker? 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:13.280 What a sticker? 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:14.120 A sticker? 1:31:14.240 --> 1:31:14.719 A sticker? 1:31:14.840 --> 1:31:19.080 What's a sticker? Say, season ticket holder? That's it the 1:31:19.479 --> 1:31:22.440 QR code for Venmo. You can send him more money exactly. 1:31:23.160 --> 1:31:25.599 And I guess season ticket members are not happy because 1:31:25.960 --> 1:31:29.479 they'll go to these like exclusive season ticket member events 1:31:30.200 --> 1:31:33.080 where they're having to pay extra money for things like 1:31:33.520 --> 1:31:35.200 you got to spend extra money to take a pic 1:31:35.280 --> 1:31:38.960 with who Day or to get this little I don't. 1:31:38.840 --> 1:31:41.120 Know, this extra gift. I don't know. I'm not I'm 1:31:41.120 --> 1:31:42.080 not a season ticket member. 1:31:42.160 --> 1:31:45.000 My dad used to be, and he dropped them before 1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:48.000 the Joe Burrow era because he was so pissed about 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:50.639 missing the playoffs and spending extra money and the pricing 1:31:50.720 --> 1:31:52.760 going up and having the license for the seat and 1:31:52.840 --> 1:31:53.439 here we go again. 1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:54.320 So and then here we go. 1:31:54.400 --> 1:31:57.000 It's like a vicious circle. You know, your quarterback is 1:31:57.080 --> 1:32:00.560 constantly sidelined, you can't get a new defense. Pricing just 1:32:00.640 --> 1:32:03.439 keeps going up, and then they're getting hounded by you know, 1:32:03.560 --> 1:32:05.640 the sales, like what are you gonna do? 1:32:05.640 --> 1:32:07.640 You're gonna renew? What's going on? Otherwise you're going to 1:32:07.680 --> 1:32:08.880 go on a wait list. If you ever want to 1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:11.880 get them back. But here's the thing. I understand being 1:32:11.920 --> 1:32:14.960 a salesperson with a sports team. I used to do it. 1:32:15.040 --> 1:32:16.800 It's a very tough job. So it's not on them. 1:32:16.800 --> 1:32:18.080 They're just trying to get their numbers and. 1:32:18.040 --> 1:32:18.720 They're getting yelled at. 1:32:18.760 --> 1:32:20.280 But yeah, and it sucks though, because they do have 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:22.120 to be the person that tells you, hey, the pricing 1:32:22.240 --> 1:32:22.720 is going up. 1:32:22.760 --> 1:32:23.439 Do you want the seats? 1:32:23.760 --> 1:32:25.160 Do you want the seats or not? Otherwise you're going 1:32:25.240 --> 1:32:26.599 to go back on a wait list for years. 1:32:26.640 --> 1:32:26.840 See. 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:28.360 I think you're looking at it wrong. 1:32:29.080 --> 1:32:29.920 I am you know what. 1:32:30.080 --> 1:32:31.960 Yeah, here's why you're looking and why. Here's why angry 1:32:32.000 --> 1:32:34.360 fans are okay, and I get it because they're not happy. 1:32:34.400 --> 1:32:36.519 You shouldn't be happy about this. But here's the thing. 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:38.559 You need to look at this not as hey, it's 1:32:38.600 --> 1:32:40.720 my team, I'm gonna go to every single game. You 1:32:40.760 --> 1:32:42.559 need to look at this if you have the money 1:32:42.640 --> 1:32:45.760 as investment. So let's say, for example, I don't know, 1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:47.680 you're looking to see, that's a PSL, right, do the 1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:51.120 PSL Personal seat license? In some stadiums they do this 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:53.400 and they don't like there's I know that my dad 1:32:53.479 --> 1:32:55.000 had to do it right, like like like I don't know, 1:32:55.040 --> 1:32:57.160 four grand a seat or something like that, right right, Okay, 1:32:57.439 --> 1:32:58.760 So I got to lay that out and then look 1:32:58.760 --> 1:33:01.519 at the season tickets and X dollars a season, you know, 1:33:01.600 --> 1:33:05.040 a couple thousand, Okay, So if you go to I 1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:07.680 don't know, half the home games, can you then turn 1:33:07.720 --> 1:33:10.120 around and sell those tickets on the secondary market the 1:33:10.160 --> 1:33:14.439 way stadiums are now, they're not doing box office. There's 1:33:14.479 --> 1:33:16.800 no such thing as a box office. It's all secondary market, 1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:21.200 it's all hub. It's the NFL. The NFL does it whatever, right, 1:33:21.439 --> 1:33:22.920 So you got to look at that and go, all right, 1:33:23.120 --> 1:33:26.160 I put the money out. If I sold tickets to 1:33:26.280 --> 1:33:30.080 these games like the Steelers or Casey or whoever's coming 1:33:30.120 --> 1:33:32.120 to town, can I make up in those three or 1:33:32.160 --> 1:33:34.200 four games? Can I make up the difference and actually 1:33:34.280 --> 1:33:35.439 make money off the season ticket? 1:33:35.439 --> 1:33:35.679 Okay? 1:33:36.720 --> 1:33:39.000 Members that do that and they lose money. 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:40.320 Okay, that's because it's the Bengals. 1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:43.519 They came in negative last year by five thousand bucks. 1:33:43.640 --> 1:33:45.000 That's the problem. So you got to look at that 1:33:45.160 --> 1:33:47.240 as an investment, going, hey, can I make money by 1:33:47.320 --> 1:33:49.720 selling this to whatever team travels? Well? 1:33:49.840 --> 1:33:49.960 Right? 1:33:50.240 --> 1:33:51.960 Like you do that the red Like, look. 1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:54.120 At the Lions fans. They took over our stadium. 1:33:56.160 --> 1:33:57.639 So you're going to get some of that money back. 1:33:57.720 --> 1:33:59.439 So it offsets that cost of being a fan. 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:02.880 Well, thing obviously went up when we did get Joe Trout. 1:34:03.080 --> 1:34:04.280 And do you look at it as a fan, go, no, 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:05.600 I want to go to all the home games. And 1:34:05.640 --> 1:34:07.200 then you're miserable about it. And I'm not saying not 1:34:07.280 --> 1:34:09.040 buy the tickets. But you know it's set up like now, 1:34:09.080 --> 1:34:10.920 it's more of investment going, hey can I get some 1:34:11.000 --> 1:34:13.320 of this money back and make I may lose them 1:34:13.320 --> 1:34:13.639 all money. 1:34:13.640 --> 1:34:15.040 I think most people come back in the negative. 1:34:15.080 --> 1:34:17.200 They're not in to make money. But it off racks 1:34:17.280 --> 1:34:18.360 considerably that investment. 1:34:18.479 --> 1:34:21.080 Yeah, because once you do get rid of them, you 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:22.840 have to go back on a wait list to get them, 1:34:22.960 --> 1:34:24.599 is what the sales rep, I guess is saying. 1:34:24.640 --> 1:34:26.120 And if you're new a fan, quit looking at it 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:28.040 as a oh I'm a fan, super fan, I need 1:34:28.120 --> 1:34:29.400 to go to every game. No, you need to look 1:34:29.400 --> 1:34:30.080 at as an investment. 1:34:30.200 --> 1:34:31.240 You can be both things. 1:34:31.640 --> 1:34:34.160 You can be a super fan and you can also 1:34:34.880 --> 1:34:37.880 be mad about the rising cost and get rid of 1:34:37.920 --> 1:34:38.719 your season tickets. 1:34:38.800 --> 1:34:38.920 Yep. 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:40.839 It doesn't go against your fandom. 1:34:41.360 --> 1:34:42.800 I mean, just because I'm going to stay at home 1:34:42.880 --> 1:34:45.920 this Sunday and watch the game on tea doesn't make 1:34:46.000 --> 1:34:47.000 me less of a fan. 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:47.759 No, it doesn't. 1:34:47.880 --> 1:34:49.080 Saying this is too expensive. 1:34:49.120 --> 1:34:51.040 I did get on tickpic this morning just to look 1:34:51.040 --> 1:34:53.120 at what it's going to be against the Bears this Sunday. 1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:57.040 It's like two fifty for the end zone fans coming 1:34:57.120 --> 1:34:59.080 down to and are they I guess so it's an 1:34:59.120 --> 1:35:00.160 easy drug like. 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:01.720 Cubs fans, and they're rabbit about that. 1:35:02.080 --> 1:35:03.840 I mean, the Bears aren't too bad of a team, 1:35:03.880 --> 1:35:06.519 but four and three it's worth a travel. I've got 1:35:06.520 --> 1:35:07.760 a couple of friends that are making the. 1:35:07.800 --> 1:35:10.240 Trips sure enough. Selling your tickets for three hund or 1:35:10.320 --> 1:35:12.880 whatever it is, and you know you offset that cost 1:35:12.880 --> 1:35:15.439 a little bit more. You're right, it's an investment, it is. 1:35:15.560 --> 1:35:15.880 And it is. 1:35:16.040 --> 1:35:18.439 It's very expensive to go to a game. I mean 1:35:18.479 --> 1:35:20.200 you pay for the parking and then you get a 1:35:20.360 --> 1:35:22.920 I mean it's a seven hundred day, seven hundred dollars 1:35:23.000 --> 1:35:23.400 day out. 1:35:23.479 --> 1:35:26.000 It subs charging the season ticket holders though to have 1:35:26.080 --> 1:35:28.760 their picture taket with the mascot is it's insulting and. 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:30.800 That's what the article on Inquiry is saying, go check 1:35:30.840 --> 1:35:32.920 it out. The guy who's saying yeah, like you know, 1:35:33.040 --> 1:35:35.559 the company the Christmas party, they're you know, they're wanting 1:35:35.600 --> 1:35:37.280 money to take a pic with who Day with the 1:35:37.600 --> 1:35:39.960 Santa and all that, I mean whatever, that makes no sense. 1:35:40.680 --> 1:35:43.559 This is really interesting because there's no one more positive 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:47.360 outside of seg on this radio station about Cincinnati sports teams. 1:35:47.400 --> 1:35:49.080 But you always try to stay positive. 1:35:49.120 --> 1:35:52.679 But Sunday she's been one hundred right now because you're like, look, 1:35:52.760 --> 1:35:55.240 I go to all the games. You know, I'm taking pictures, 1:35:55.280 --> 1:35:59.640 I got my all stuff, I'm supportive, I'm doing and 1:35:59.720 --> 1:36:01.400 if you lose a release. 1:36:01.760 --> 1:36:05.479 You got real, bros, you've really lozed. And I won't 1:36:05.520 --> 1:36:07.120 be there on Sunday. I have a reason for that. 1:36:07.479 --> 1:36:08.559 I will be out of down. 1:36:08.720 --> 1:36:11.920 But it is getting ridiculously expensive to be there. 1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:13.880 It's always just going to get more expensive every year. 1:36:14.080 --> 1:36:16.479 Yes, and again that's why my dad dropped his stuff too, 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:19.320 and I don't blame him. So ciccut Brice is going 1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:21.360 up for twenty twenty six. That is something trending on 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:22.120 social media. 1:36:22.320 --> 1:36:24.160 Good good time to do that when your team sucks, 1:36:24.640 --> 1:36:30.000 and I mean Joe burrowl he's fine. The offense did great, 1:36:30.040 --> 1:36:31.200 the running game was great. 1:36:31.920 --> 1:36:34.160 Offense is not the problem. They put thirty eight points. 1:36:34.160 --> 1:36:35.120 That should be an easy. 1:36:34.880 --> 1:36:37.240 Waiting for Joe Burrow to come. Well, if Joe Burrow 1:36:37.280 --> 1:36:40.759 comes back, somebody said, well, talking about how they should 1:36:40.760 --> 1:36:43.760 go and get Brendon Sorosby and Trent coach him up. 1:36:43.800 --> 1:36:46.679 It's like, that's the dumbest rap every can you play defense? 1:36:48.960 --> 1:36:50.639 If Flacco's fine, He's doing fine. 1:36:50.720 --> 1:36:53.559 Blacco is great. Flacco looked great on Sunday, he looked 1:36:53.600 --> 1:36:55.799 great the week before. He looked great in Lambeau. 1:36:56.120 --> 1:36:57.960 The play calling, then you look at that in that 1:36:58.040 --> 1:36:59.360 final stretths. It's not on Flacco. 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:00.759 Why are you going up the middle? 1:37:02.600 --> 1:37:06.240 Thank you? Yoshibash couldn't catch a cold at this point. 1:37:06.680 --> 1:37:09.519 I love Yoshi, No you don't. I love him as 1:37:09.520 --> 1:37:09.920 a person. 1:37:10.160 --> 1:37:13.559 I don't care about great dude's Cincinnati. But he's such 1:37:13.600 --> 1:37:14.200 a good guy. 1:37:14.360 --> 1:37:16.920 And that's what that's what people were saying about Zach Taylor. 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:21.840 A great guy, wonderful family man, super nice. But I 1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:22.880 don't want nice anymore. 1:37:22.880 --> 1:37:23.400 I want wins. 1:37:23.479 --> 1:37:24.840 Yeah, I want wins. Go ahead, and you know what 1:37:24.920 --> 1:37:26.719 if you want to add to the crime problem. Cincinnati, 1:37:26.720 --> 1:37:29.559 go ahead as long as you win, right. 1:37:30.479 --> 1:37:33.080 So the trade deadline is problem square. 1:37:33.080 --> 1:37:34.360 I don't care, but you're asked me to be there 1:37:34.400 --> 1:37:34.880 on Sunday. 1:37:35.479 --> 1:37:39.000 Trade deadline is Tuesday. I don't know what they're gonna do, 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:40.080 if anything, What. 1:37:40.080 --> 1:37:40.920 Do you think they're gonna do? 1:37:41.080 --> 1:37:41.320 Nothing? 1:37:41.479 --> 1:37:41.759 Nothing? 1:37:41.880 --> 1:37:42.120 Nothing. 1:37:42.200 --> 1:37:43.920 We've got We're good enough to win. It's just we 1:37:44.000 --> 1:37:47.559 need someone to step up. You drafted guys who don't 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:48.759 step up. That's the problem. 1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:50.720 I don't get it. What has Shamar Stewart done for 1:37:50.800 --> 1:37:51.240 this team? 1:37:52.160 --> 1:37:54.880 Nothing be done. That's starting to look like a boss. 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:55.120 Now. 1:37:55.560 --> 1:37:57.080 He's still young. It's only a few games. 1:37:57.160 --> 1:38:00.639 But I did two and a half tackles in college 1:38:00.720 --> 1:38:04.120 and then nothing. You went down Game. 1:38:03.960 --> 1:38:05.800 Two and then getting coached up. I don't know what 1:38:05.920 --> 1:38:06.840 it is, but it ain't good. 1:38:07.040 --> 1:38:10.439 This defense is really it's horrible, not good. 1:38:10.600 --> 1:38:13.719 Hor Speaking of bad news for the defense, Trey Hendrickson 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:15.760 is day to day back with that hip injury. That's 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:17.839 definitely we saw him go out before halftime. 1:38:18.400 --> 1:38:18.840 Day to day. 1:38:18.960 --> 1:38:20.479 It's three Hendrickson a waste of money. 1:38:22.320 --> 1:38:23.920 Well, I mean, you don't know. One guy get hurt. 1:38:23.960 --> 1:38:24.439 That's not fair. 1:38:24.720 --> 1:38:28.040 I understand that, but can we say that he's injury prone? Well, 1:38:28.640 --> 1:38:30.000 it's a lot of money for that guy, though we 1:38:30.120 --> 1:38:33.160 really haven't seen much out of And guess what when 1:38:33.200 --> 1:38:36.040 he was on the sidelines during that Steelers game, they 1:38:36.080 --> 1:38:36.880 still managed to win. 1:38:37.080 --> 1:38:39.040 You got me slit my wrist? You got any good news? 1:38:41.240 --> 1:38:42.760 I love crapping on the Bengals a year. 1:38:43.920 --> 1:38:48.120 Hey night, we're moving on. 1:38:49.600 --> 1:38:49.840 I did. 1:38:49.880 --> 1:38:52.120 I watched it the entire time. Dank is king with 1:38:52.240 --> 1:38:54.880 twelve minutes left to go, I was so excited. Hopefully 1:38:54.920 --> 1:38:57.080 they can go and get it done this Sunday and Columbus. 1:38:57.120 --> 1:38:58.720 I have all the faith in the world in this team. 1:38:58.880 --> 1:38:59.840 Please bring us ho much. 1:39:00.200 --> 1:39:01.680 They were all over them and they should have six 1:39:01.800 --> 1:39:03.840 goals and they just couldn't find And finally. 1:39:03.560 --> 1:39:07.040 They dominated that game over Columbus really did. It was great. 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:07.639 It was great. 1:39:07.880 --> 1:39:10.840 Eventually they go in but on Columbus that fought pretty well. 1:39:11.160 --> 1:39:14.040 How many games away until the final? I guess five? 1:39:14.560 --> 1:39:15.960 They have to get five like that? 1:39:16.080 --> 1:39:18.800 Yeah, hopefully you go to Columbus on what Sunday night, 1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:21.960 Sunday night and beat them there and then you don't 1:39:22.000 --> 1:39:23.080 have to play that third. You don't want to go 1:39:23.120 --> 1:39:25.559 to a third game exactly. I don't want to shoot 1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:27.360 from the longest time. I hate the idea of going 1:39:27.360 --> 1:39:28.440 to a shootout. 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:29.599 But I think that they have to do that during 1:39:29.640 --> 1:39:31.519 regular season games. That's something that you got to do. 1:39:31.680 --> 1:39:33.479 But don't they do that in the playoffs too? Don't 1:39:33.479 --> 1:39:34.800 they go to a Yeah, they go to like a kid, 1:39:34.840 --> 1:39:35.040 they go. 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:35.800 Directly to that. 1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:37.000 Oh, I think that's terrible. 1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:38.720 I just don't like the ending in a tie thing, 1:39:39.120 --> 1:39:39.600 especially in the. 1:39:39.600 --> 1:39:42.160 Playoffs, right, you can't do that, you know, It's like 1:39:42.240 --> 1:39:45.599 hockey sudden death overtime is great speaking of my falls 1:39:45.600 --> 1:39:47.160 over dead because. 1:39:46.880 --> 1:39:48.320 I know we don't have a whole lot of time left. 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:49.559 We're trying to keep it positive. 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:49.920 Let's go. 1:39:50.520 --> 1:39:54.720 Our Cincinnati Cyclones are back tomorrow night, and it's it's 1:39:54.760 --> 1:39:55.880 a very special night. 1:39:56.120 --> 1:40:00.880 Why because I'm going to be the sirens and I'll 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:03.040 have a very special guest with me day. 1:40:03.000 --> 1:40:11.519 A siren sound like can you imitate the siren in 1:40:11.640 --> 1:40:16.719 exactly saying that's what she sounds like to her husband 1:40:16.760 --> 1:40:17.160 all the time. 1:40:17.240 --> 1:40:17.360 Too. 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:19.680 That's the best part. I don't know all I hear. 1:40:20.760 --> 1:40:23.960 I told you I'm spicy today, Okay, I'm I gotta 1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:24.240 get over. 1:40:24.360 --> 1:40:26.160 Who's a special guest the sirens? Hander? 1:40:26.439 --> 1:40:29.680 You have to be there to find out. Trey Hendrickson, No, 1:40:29.840 --> 1:40:32.320 his hip bothers him. Sure, we don't need him to 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:34.000 pull a hip while he's moving the siren. 1:40:34.920 --> 1:40:36.840 And it won't be Joe Flacco because he's day to 1:40:36.920 --> 1:40:38.040 day with a shoulder injury. 1:40:38.760 --> 1:40:40.760 Oh my god, you can't even get past it. 1:40:40.880 --> 1:40:43.200 But less than one hundred and fifty days until opening day, 1:40:43.240 --> 1:40:50.400 all right? Oh, and they found out who did the 1:40:50.760 --> 1:40:56.320 Marty statue vandalism. Yeah, a thirteen year old child. I 1:40:56.479 --> 1:40:59.000 love a thirteen year old boy. At three o'clock in 1:40:59.040 --> 1:40:59.920 the afternoon. 1:40:59.600 --> 1:41:04.160 On Saturday, engine boded my CPD sources said they found 1:41:04.160 --> 1:41:05.240 a little hunkle other paints. 1:41:06.680 --> 1:41:08.320 What do you do with the thirteen year old kid? 1:41:08.760 --> 1:41:09.760 He doesn't go to jail. 1:41:09.960 --> 1:41:11.519 He did it, and like he tried to fix it. 1:41:11.880 --> 1:41:12.240 He did. 1:41:12.360 --> 1:41:14.760 He's like, oh crap, that mic just came off the stand. 1:41:14.800 --> 1:41:16.200 I didn't see that, and then he ran off. I 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:18.200 didn't see the whole video. Did he intentionally try to 1:41:18.240 --> 1:41:19.559 bend the mic or was he trying to It's. 1:41:19.479 --> 1:41:24.400 Kind of hard to tell. The footage so grainy. What 1:41:24.479 --> 1:41:26.360 did Marty say that Mic is about as strong as 1:41:26.360 --> 1:41:27.160 the Bengals defense. 1:41:27.240 --> 1:41:28.360 Let me tell you should. 1:41:32.360 --> 1:41:35.479 A lot more bothered Trump and had the National Garden. 1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:36.880 My god, I thought so too. 1:41:38.040 --> 1:41:39.559 Will you start to facing my likeness? 1:41:39.720 --> 1:41:42.120 No, that's when we got a real get them damn. 1:41:41.960 --> 1:41:44.559 Soldiers, Downtell. I don't know what the hell they're doing 1:41:44.640 --> 1:41:44.960 down here. 1:41:45.200 --> 1:41:46.920 It wasn't the swat out. They said they're gonna be 1:41:46.920 --> 1:41:48.280 out from two to ten sniper. 1:41:48.320 --> 1:41:51.640 Where was the swat Snipers around the Marty's lasher? Just 1:41:51.840 --> 1:41:53.800 now we're going to have security around this thing that's 1:41:53.800 --> 1:41:54.719 glued to the wall. 1:41:55.080 --> 1:41:58.640 You are clear to take the headshot? Clear? Did you 1:41:58.760 --> 1:42:00.600 do what you want to? Found and you can do 1:42:00.720 --> 1:42:02.800 what you want to crime running rampant, but don't you 1:42:03.920 --> 1:42:05.280 deface the Hall of Famers. 1:42:05.439 --> 1:42:07.000 Don't disrespect my guy. 1:42:07.320 --> 1:42:11.519 Don't do it. That bronze is etched in bronze. Sarah, 1:42:11.560 --> 1:42:16.120 release the Snart report this morning. Any very dismal, depressing. 1:42:15.760 --> 1:42:17.400 Please get it done this weekend. 1:42:17.520 --> 1:42:19.760 Please go get the win against the Bears, because then 1:42:19.760 --> 1:42:21.759 they go to the by and then the schedule doesn't 1:42:21.800 --> 1:42:22.759 get any easier. 1:42:23.760 --> 1:42:24.840 It doesn't get any easy. 1:42:24.960 --> 1:42:26.720 I'm loose to the Jets. I don't get it. I 1:42:26.800 --> 1:42:28.640 don't know what to expect Sunday. I really don't, but 1:42:28.720 --> 1:42:29.120 I'll watch. 1:42:29.240 --> 1:42:31.000 That's what I have no prediction. To ask me about 1:42:31.000 --> 1:42:32.240 a score because I have no idea. I could have 1:42:32.320 --> 1:42:34.120 never predicted thirty nine to thirty eight would be the 1:42:34.200 --> 1:42:36.800 final against the Jets and seven Jets now the one 1:42:36.840 --> 1:42:37.400 and seven. 1:42:37.240 --> 1:42:39.639 One and seven, congratulations. Cincinnati is that team. 1:42:39.760 --> 1:42:41.920 If anyone's going to get those stats up for other teams, 1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:43.280 it's definitely going to be our defense. 1:42:43.439 --> 1:42:47.800 They always optimistic. Sarah, lease that siren go again. 1:42:53.240 --> 1:42:55.759 Come to the Cyclones game seven thirty puck job tomorrow. 1:42:55.840 --> 1:42:58.720 You will hear the siren for yourself and see my 1:42:58.840 --> 1:42:59.519 special guest. 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:03.479 And Okay, the scary part about Thishau, I wonder do 1:43:03.560 --> 1:43:05.800 people with with what's going on downtown when when people 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:07.840 hear that siren, do they just do they hide under 1:43:07.840 --> 1:43:09.400 the seat, think that just twitch. 1:43:09.200 --> 1:43:11.200 A little bit, a little bit like promise you it's 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:15.840 a very pleasant. But the police definitely not. 1:43:16.160 --> 1:43:17.840 Or cat and heat. I don't know what's going on 1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:18.240 over here. 1:43:18.880 --> 1:43:20.599 Honestly, that was not a bad impression. 1:43:20.600 --> 1:43:21.920 There's cats lining up at the door right now. They 1:43:21.960 --> 1:43:22.360 want to make you. 1:43:22.720 --> 1:43:26.840 I just looked, Sure, I gotta get out of here. 1:43:27.040 --> 1:43:31.880 She that's just really lingering. I'm here now with a soup. 1:43:33.000 --> 1:43:35.120 I need soup taken. 1:43:35.200 --> 1:43:37.400 More calls that I By the way, those calls are entertaining. 1:43:37.600 --> 1:43:41.080 That's that that right there, Spicy back tomorrow. K Christio 1:43:41.120 --> 1:43:42.599 one of two to have any BNS to snort report 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:45.000 Wednesday mornings here on the home of the Best and 1:43:45.160 --> 1:43:49.000 Worst Bangles Cage seven hundred w W cents of that