Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: It's flowing you back on seven hundred WW. Blocks do
Speaker 2: in the city all, If anything, it's not boring. We
Speaker 2: have the police chief controversy. We have a contentious hearing
Speaker 2: yesterday on food trucks as somehow having a role in
Speaker 2: the violence downtown. You know, if you just have feeding people,
Speaker 2: then the violence goes away. Maybe there's something there with Snap.
Speaker 2: I don't know. She's councilmember Anna Olby on the show
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WW, and she's in a very tight
Speaker 2: council racers. Three thousand people running for the handful of
Speaker 2: seats left and it's going to be musical chairs in
Speaker 2: just a few days. For sure, Anna, welcome back. How
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 3: I thinks I appreciate it? And three thousand might be
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Feels like I'm bad at math I'm bad at the maths,
Speaker 2: but it feels like three We'll just go three thousand.
Speaker 2: Let's start with this, the Snap hearing. The commissioners did
Speaker 2: this yesterday. You were there, I saw you on camera.
Speaker 2: Wave to you. But any way back, that's fine. What
Speaker 2: is the city role to help with the really? What
Speaker 2: can the city do if indeed on Saturday, snap benefits
Speaker 2: go away for one in eight people in Hamlin County,
Speaker 2: which is also Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for this. Let me just start by laying
Speaker 3: out the state of where we are. I don't know
Speaker 3: how many your listeners actually watched that, but the county
Speaker 3: shared yesterday some of the numbers. So across the county,
Speaker 3: we have over fifty three thousand adults and over forty
Speaker 3: three thousand children who are benefiting from SNAPS every month.
Speaker 3: So when we think about this Saturday, those benefits are
Speaker 3: not going to be available. And across the county that
Speaker 3: represents over nineteen million dollars of food assistant benefits, and
Speaker 3: I know for the city of Cincinnati that's over twenty
Speaker 3: nine thousand households. So this is a real crisis moment
Speaker 3: where families, according to the head of Freestore Food Bank,
Speaker 3: they get nine out of ten meals with their SNAP
Speaker 3: benefits and Freestore other local pantries only be one out
Speaker 3: of ten meal, right, so we're about to lose funding
Speaker 3: for nine one to ten meals for these these thousands
Speaker 3: incredible people. Yeah, it's a true crisis.
Speaker 2: I had Kurt Rye around from free Store on Monday
Speaker 2: show and he's he's concerned. I mean, he couldn't really say,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you know, we don't what we're gonna do,
Speaker 2: so like, hey, listen, you know we have some reserves.
Speaker 2: We're going to lean on the local communities and trying
Speaker 2: to get more out of our vendors. And also we
Speaker 2: may have to start instead of once a month, we
Speaker 2: have to do twice a month. So the demand's going
Speaker 2: to increase even more, putting in a ready strain. But
Speaker 2: and think about it heading into the holiday season here,
Speaker 2: with Thanksgiving and then Christmas coming up, the really busy
Speaker 2: time in the winter, when people are colder. Uh, people
Speaker 2: are cold and hungry. It's going to put a strain
Speaker 2: already on an overstrained system.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: I'm really really worried about what this means when families,
Speaker 3: you know, are looking at their budget and now they
Speaker 3: have to decide do we buy a meal or do
Speaker 3: we pay rent? Do we pay our utility bill? Right,
Speaker 3: this is going to make impossible, you know, impossible decisions,
Speaker 3: don't I don't know either.
Speaker 2: I wish I wish Washington would just go, look, okay,
Speaker 2: we made our point, let's let's end this thing and
Speaker 2: work towards compromise. But it's not about people. It's about politics.
Speaker 2: And that's what Washington, that's what politics has become. It's
Speaker 2: about protecting our party and our brand, whatever that is.
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent agreed. Right, Ultimately, this is a
Speaker 3: federal government problem and we need the federal government to
Speaker 3: solve it. And so yesterday you heard it from the
Speaker 3: county commissioners, and I agree, we should have our lallmakers
Speaker 3: in Washington at the table talking about how do we
Speaker 3: come up with some type of emergencies to beat for snaps.
Speaker 3: You know, they were able to dig up three hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars from care funds to help keep with going
Speaker 3: for a few more week weeks. Why can't they do
Speaker 3: something for snaps? And instead we've got a president who's
Speaker 3: on an international tour right now, isn't even in the country,
Speaker 3: and we're going to have millions of people going hungry
Speaker 3: starting Saturday.
Speaker 2: Oh you need Congress to do that, right. I mean
Speaker 2: the point of you know, this is a debate outside
Speaker 2: our scope here in the city because you can't control
Speaker 2: subsidies and how things are handed out, and that's really
Speaker 2: part of the problem here. And I understand the stand
Speaker 2: that they're making with Republican Democrats. But you know, now
Speaker 2: it's time to put the swords down and try to
Speaker 2: come to some common ground and solve this issue, because
Speaker 2: the problem is healthcare is way out of control. Whether
Speaker 2: you talk to a Republican or Democrat, we all agree
Speaker 2: on that you just can't continue subsidizing. And Republicans don't
Speaker 2: really have a plan to fix healthcare. So there's our problems.
Speaker 2: And I'll be let's pivot a little bit here to
Speaker 2: the food truck hearing now when this happened. To bring
Speaker 2: those listening up to speed. If you're listening, okay, we'll
Speaker 2: refresh my memory on this one. I got lots go
Speaker 2: to my mind, Sloan, I got you so August fifteenth,
Speaker 2: it was even earlier than that was. I think maybe
Speaker 2: September or later in that September. Anyway, there's a hearing
Speaker 2: about food trucks and basically, hey, you know where we
Speaker 2: had the hookah bars and hookah lounges or some food
Speaker 2: trucks around and the street violence and the food trucks
Speaker 2: are open late and these tend to get people congregating
Speaker 2: around it to eat, and then violence breaks out and
Speaker 2: so sure, along in her wisdom said, you know what,
Speaker 2: We're just going to omn issue an edict that says,
Speaker 2: now we've got to shut the food trucks down at
Speaker 2: eleven PM, which I took a great issue with. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: they're there to feed people, you're there to police and
Speaker 2: keep the streets safe. So if I want to I
Speaker 2: don't know a hot I want to cheese cony or
Speaker 2: slice of pizza or a taco, where the hell it
Speaker 2: is at two o'clock in the morning, when the bars closed,
Speaker 2: I should be able to get that from a street
Speaker 2: vendor who's there legally. I'm there legally. Why are we
Speaker 2: shutting down and punishing good people?
Speaker 4: I agree?
Speaker 3: To be clear, I agree, and I think you know,
Speaker 3: I know you watched Yester's committee meetings. So just to
Speaker 3: clarify again, the decision to change the closed time closing
Speaker 3: time to eleven PM was purely from this city administration.
Speaker 3: Council was not asked or prepped about this ahead of time.
Speaker 3: So when it was announced, you know, I immediately caught
Speaker 3: up and was asking lots of questions, and I asked
Speaker 3: them again yesterday, what is the data showing that food
Speaker 3: trucks are specifically causing these issues. And honestly, yesterday I
Speaker 3: heard a lot of talk about people being maybe overserved, right,
Speaker 3: they're too drunk and that's causing issues, and that's the
Speaker 3: separate issues. But food trucks are small businesses. And to
Speaker 3: your point, I think if someone is coming out of
Speaker 3: the bar at two in the morning, they should be
Speaker 3: able to get their taco before they had or their
Speaker 3: hamburger whatever like that. And we want the city to
Speaker 3: be a fun place to hang out, right, we want
Speaker 3: the city to have a lively nightlife and food trucks
Speaker 3: and people being out and being able to get a
Speaker 3: bite to eat as part of that vibrancy.
Speaker 2: For me, yeah, do you think Mordecai Black would have
Speaker 2: not murdered Patrick Herringer if he was able to get
Speaker 2: a cheese coney instead. That's just the dumbest logic I've
Speaker 2: ever heard.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to get into that part, but
Speaker 3: I mean, in terms of how we're going to handle
Speaker 3: this food truck regulations, I think there's two parts of this, right.
Speaker 3: There's one part of what is the data showing that
Speaker 3: food trucks are the issue here? La other part is
Speaker 3: what is the impact economically on these small businesses, right,
Speaker 3: And I was really disappointed to hear that the city
Speaker 3: administration had yet to even talk with the food truck
Speaker 3: administrations or any of the food trucks or even the
Speaker 3: business owners the bars, right. And Vice Mayor Kearney brought
Speaker 3: up yesterday that she talked to some of the bars
Speaker 3: and they were like, yeah, we love having these food
Speaker 3: trucks here. We don't have a kitchen or the kitchen
Speaker 3: isn't open, you know, and closing right so letting patrons
Speaker 3: come out and grab a bite to eat is something
Speaker 3: that you know, the bars themselves appreciate, and you have
Speaker 3: to think about I have to assume these food trucks
Speaker 3: have most of their get most of their revenue at
Speaker 3: those late night hours to right, So closing at eleven
Speaker 3: PM just seems crazy to me. And then not to
Speaker 3: be able to come yesterday prepared with the data to
Speaker 3: show us that there's a direct cause and effects between
Speaker 3: food truck hours and some of these incidents that they're reporting,
Speaker 3: I just I was very frustrated about and hopefully in
Speaker 3: two weeks when we come back to this, that the
Speaker 3: administration will be better prepared to make the case she made.
Speaker 2: This isn't sure along correct, This is all on her.
Speaker 3: This is a city administration working. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: synthetic police was also part of part of the decision making,
Speaker 3: or at least based on kind of the whe the
Speaker 3: officers were making.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how does a curfew impact then?
Speaker 3: Great question because I do see this as kind of
Speaker 3: thing you mentioned hookah bars, right, So if we're implementing
Speaker 3: a curfew, we're saying, you know, closing down hookah bars,
Speaker 3: which I agree with. By the way, we were seeing
Speaker 3: real issues with hookah bar specifically, and hookah bars sell
Speaker 3: into a weird loophole at the state level when it
Speaker 3: came to regulation, so it's good that we took care
Speaker 3: of that. So if we have curfew hookah bars, now
Speaker 3: we're closing food trucks right back to that vibrant feed downtown, right,
Speaker 3: we don't want downtown to be a ghost town every
Speaker 3: Sriday and Saturday night. So I do think there is
Speaker 3: a real question to be had of like what do
Speaker 3: we imagine a fun downtown space to look like? How
Speaker 3: do we help support those businesses? Right, We've got too
Speaker 3: many restaurants going out of business, so how can we
Speaker 3: help them. How can we help the bar stand business?
Speaker 3: And if we just start shutting everything down, it's going
Speaker 3: to make it really hard on our business owner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I appreciate the work the hustle here.
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, listen, you know, it's really expensive to
Speaker 2: keep a brick and mortar going. We see restaurants closing
Speaker 2: opening all the time. If I just took my wares
Speaker 2: and put it in a food truck, now I could
Speaker 2: sell maybe a few things from my menu or you
Speaker 2: know some long those are maybe I just specialized in
Speaker 2: doing some really good food. I can get the wheels,
Speaker 2: I get the kitchen, I get the health permit, fire inspection.
Speaker 2: You get all that done, and then I turn around,
Speaker 2: and now the city goes, well, now you got to
Speaker 2: close at eleven, Well, you know, I would imagine from
Speaker 2: eleven to two or three am, that's you're probably making
Speaker 2: a lot of money as the bars closed, as the
Speaker 2: club's let out, or there's an event downtown, a ball game,
Speaker 2: a concert, whatever it might be. That's where you're making
Speaker 2: your bank. And we're shutting that down. Why because we
Speaker 2: can't control violence. It's a separate issue.
Speaker 3: I think these are separate issues. Exactly, And that's why
Speaker 3: I was really pushing on the city administration, our captain
Speaker 3: and our Assistan city manager yesterday. I'm like, show me
Speaker 3: the data, show me the relationships here. You know, I
Speaker 3: can appreciate that big crowds at drunk people can be unruly.
Speaker 3: But again, if the problem is that people are being
Speaker 3: over served in the bar so they're blackout, drunks, you know,
Speaker 3: causing issues, well let's go deal with that problem, right,
Speaker 3: That is a separate issue than to a small business
Speaker 3: trying to feed some people late night through food truck.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But here's the thing. Well, you know we're over served,
Speaker 2: people are drinks, theyre having drinks. Okay, fine, Then why
Speaker 2: do we have street festivals? Why why do we have
Speaker 2: Taste of Cincinnati, Why do we have Octoberfest? Why do
Speaker 2: we all these things downtown that serve alcohol where people
Speaker 2: are getting served and then turn around it's again the
Speaker 2: argument doesn't stand is because the city endorses all this stuff.
Speaker 2: The city endorses those events. I don't see how this
Speaker 2: is any different other than that's a you know, probably
Speaker 2: a Thursday, Friday, Saturday night thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, there was some discussion to as
Speaker 3: the administration talks to this around like the idea of
Speaker 3: the food trucks on a normal day, right, separate from festivals,
Speaker 3: TV in any place they're popping up their logic park wherever. Okay, great,
Speaker 3: you know I asked questions around. Okay, have we thought
Speaker 3: about designating specific spots? Have we thought about how that
Speaker 3: could work with termiting?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Almost every city in the nation probably has had food trucks, right,
Speaker 3: This is not a unique cocatty thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. All over the world. You know, you travel abroader
Speaker 2: like they've got food trucks at three or four in
Speaker 2: the morning and there are people out there taking a
Speaker 2: machine gun out and spraying people.
Speaker 3: It's not happening exactly, And especially as I know Cincinnati is.
Speaker 3: We can look to other cities and say, oh, what
Speaker 3: are the regulations that they're using with food trucks to
Speaker 3: be able to make sure that things aren't getting out
Speaker 3: of control. So that again with some of the pushback
Speaker 3: I was adding to administration yesterday, which was, hey, there
Speaker 3: are other solutions and options here. If there are you know,
Speaker 3: XYZ issues, Why didn't we do any research into how
Speaker 3: other CITs that's restless? And the other thing I was
Speaker 3: really shocked by yesterday is in the presentation. So this
Speaker 3: I think the food truck rule was changed in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three. They said they had no issues in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, no issues, in twenty twenty four, got through
Speaker 3: half of twenty twenty five, or at least the first
Speaker 3: part twenty twenty five no issues, and then it was
Speaker 3: just this summer where they saw some issues. I tried
Speaker 3: to asking, Okay, what caused that? You know, what type
Speaker 3: of problem solving did we do? And I just think
Speaker 3: ultimately we took an administration took a big swing here
Speaker 3: without really doing some of the leg work to look
Speaker 3: at what actually happened here. What are the problems we
Speaker 3: need to solve versus punishing businesses that aren't doing anything wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, you're being very polite, council Member Albe, and that's saying, well,
Speaker 2: they took a big swing here. No, it's incompetence, is
Speaker 2: what it is. I mean, you're looking for all these
Speaker 2: straw men to blame the violence problems on, saying well,
Speaker 2: it's this, it's that's all these little it's not it's
Speaker 2: it's a lack of leadership within the administration on that point,
Speaker 2: whether it's this with the food trucks, or the way
Speaker 2: the Harringer homicide was handled, or the street violence, the
Speaker 2: beatdown where the you know, the person is charged later
Speaker 2: and it was completely racially motivated. This whole thing is
Speaker 2: to me an indictment on the same administration. Do you
Speaker 2: think it's time for new leadership specifically? Now we'll see
Speaker 2: what the mayoral race. I think Aftab is going to
Speaker 2: win re election, but is sure along the right person
Speaker 2: for this job.
Speaker 3: Here's what I can say. I know the administration over
Speaker 3: the summer is being really responsive to issues that we saw,
Speaker 3: and there were issues, let's be clear, you know.
Speaker 6: And I can respect them.
Speaker 3: I know they're even with this. I'm going to go
Speaker 3: back to this food trucks and such. What we've been
Speaker 3: digging in on, you know, this food truck policy is
Speaker 3: my understanding, was really in response to some of what
Speaker 3: they were hearing from our officers. The officers saying there
Speaker 3: are the hot these hot spots. You know, we think
Speaker 3: that food trucks are creating the hot spots because people
Speaker 3: are gathering here. And I want to respect the fact
Speaker 3: that that's our officers coming back and giving that feedback.
Speaker 3: But to me, there just needs to be a little
Speaker 3: bit more like work on Okay, what are the specific incidents?
Speaker 3: How many are there? Is it one specific truck that's
Speaker 3: causing the issue? Is it one specific block, right, and
Speaker 3: trying to do a little bit more problem solving that
Speaker 3: specific to either that truck or that's that specific spot
Speaker 3: versus again this wide uh you know eleven pm cut
Speaker 3: off that that impacts all these trucks that aren't doing
Speaker 3: a thing wrong. So again I want to be responsive
Speaker 3: to to problem solving and understanding what our officers are
Speaker 3: seeing on our streets and doing all that. But we
Speaker 3: got to look at the data and we've kind of
Speaker 3: look at you know, what are the specific exues that
Speaker 3: it solve for this problem versus punishing small businesses that
Speaker 3: are doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: And this all these of course of the termination of
Speaker 2: Chief Teresa Thijia. I mean, when you have a when
Speaker 2: you have an administration that and let's go back to
Speaker 2: when thiji was hired three years ago. I was looking
Speaker 2: at her comments following her being sworn in and said, no,
Speaker 2: this is we're gonna we got to look at diversity,
Speaker 2: equity and inclusion. We've got to continue the path we're
Speaker 2: on right now with the community and make sure we're
Speaker 2: engaging with people on the street. And okay, I get
Speaker 2: that at the time. Now you've got the food truck thing,
Speaker 2: You've got the curfews that looked like they didn't work
Speaker 2: because the people are you know, they're still young people
Speaker 2: out there doing what they do. You're empowering activists like
Speaker 2: iris Ralli where she's interfering with police work. So we've
Speaker 2: had a track record now and a bad policy decision saying,
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna treat criminals like victims and we're
Speaker 2: gonna give them a slap on the wrist when they
Speaker 2: get to court, and we're gonna let them out with
Speaker 2: a two dollars bond, or we're gonna give them an
Speaker 2: o R and they're gonna go out and get a
Speaker 2: gun and shoot someone or cut their ankle, monor off.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna take this seriously. The mayor refuses to
Speaker 2: lean on judges. You have these policies coming down from
Speaker 2: people like shil Long and then you turn around and
Speaker 2: fire Thiji. To me, that's like the food truck thing
Speaker 2: all over again. You're blaming the wrong person. It's the
Speaker 2: policies and how you handle things in the series and
Speaker 2: of how you take crime and how you hold people
Speaker 2: accountable as opposed to all this other stuff out there
Speaker 2: in the ether. And I think and all, but it's
Speaker 2: gonna it hurts people like you because I mean, let's
Speaker 2: face it, I mentioned three thousand people running for council seats.
Speaker 2: You're one of the people could be displaced by this.
Speaker 2: The voters are not gonna blame AFTAP, They're gonna blame
Speaker 2: someone like you.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm definitely out there talking to our voters, and
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. You know, I was in a community
Speaker 3: council meeting and Price Hill and to kind of that
Speaker 3: was a lot you just threw out it. One of
Speaker 3: the things that the person, uh you know, stood up
Speaker 3: and they have some questions, but they still up and
Speaker 3: they said, you know, Cincinnati has the best police force
Speaker 3: in the nation. And I agree, right, But I think
Speaker 3: a key part of that is the fact that we
Speaker 3: have the collaborative agreement that we as a city did
Speaker 3: the work in the early two thousands to make sure
Speaker 3: our police force is the best in the nations. We
Speaker 3: do work with community and across Right, this is the
Speaker 3: collaboration stick key word there, right, No one person alone
Speaker 3: can fix anything, right, These are these are big things,
Speaker 3: and so having that collaboration across lallmakers, police force, and
Speaker 3: the community is a really important part to how we
Speaker 3: function as a city and how we keep everyone safe. So,
Speaker 3: you know, those are values that I uphold, and I.
Speaker 2: Also I think Anna my point is those things can exist,
Speaker 2: they can coexist, and that's fine. You know, we shouldn't
Speaker 2: be beating down on people who are What I'm saying
Speaker 2: is is like we we look at criminals now and
Speaker 2: treat them as victims as well, and that's part of
Speaker 2: the problems. There's people that look at the way policing
Speaker 2: has changed and the collaborative agreement and the IRIS Raleigh Paul,
Speaker 2: these policies, hands off policies, and there's people to go, ow,
Speaker 2: I respect that. You know, the police are great, They're
Speaker 2: keeping my neighborhood safe. And what winds up happening is
Speaker 2: there's the small percentage of criminals of sociopaths out there
Speaker 2: that are exploiting that and we refuse to treat them
Speaker 2: like the criminal, repetitive criminal element that they are. We're
Speaker 2: looking at reasons to why we need to release them
Speaker 2: rather than reasons we lock them up, and you know
Speaker 2: where that hurts the same people. These policies are that
Speaker 2: are protect.
Speaker 3: You know what I think about what a safe community
Speaker 3: looks like. I always say a safe community is one
Speaker 3: where people are being paid enough to bard a roof
Speaker 3: of their head, fresh food and table, access to healthcare,
Speaker 3: and where kids have safe spaces right, and we can
Speaker 3: get all of that right, I think we've done a
Speaker 3: pretty good job. So when I as a lawmaker look
Speaker 3: at what can we do to strengthen our community, it's
Speaker 3: it's a guest and pollution where we're doing all of
Speaker 3: those right. How do we help people get good paying jobs.
Speaker 3: How do we build more housing so there's more housing
Speaker 3: options out there, How do we help people get access
Speaker 3: to healthcare? And you know, we just talked about SNAP
Speaker 3: and food. I am very very worried about what SNAP
Speaker 3: not being issued on this Saturday. What that is going
Speaker 3: to do to our residents. Like we talked about, people
Speaker 3: are going to be desperate.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: So whatever we can do to help stabilize families right
Speaker 3: and meet people's basic needs, to me, that's ultimately what's
Speaker 3: going to make for a safer community.
Speaker 2: A council member I'll be I wish you all the
Speaker 2: best between now an election day, I really do, and
Speaker 2: we'll pick up the pieces, as we say, probably sometime
Speaker 2: after the election. But I always appreciate the time and
Speaker 2: your thoughtfulness. Thanks for jumping on this, Morne.
Speaker 3: Thanks much, take care, good luck.
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Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 2: I know she's a she's seeking office and she's a Democrat,
Speaker 2: but seeing some common ground here, I mean, first and foremost,
Speaker 2: I don't care a Democrat Republican. The government shutdown right
Speaker 2: now is nonsense. And you know the idea as well,
Speaker 2: if we could just get the Democrats to admit they're wrong.
Speaker 2: When the Democrats are going, if we could just get
Speaker 2: the Republicans to admit they're wrong, what we need to
Speaker 2: do is force them to that they're both wrong. Is
Speaker 2: that you sit down. He made your point, Now figure
Speaker 2: it out. Fix it, and I get it. We know
Speaker 2: we're just subsidizing stuff, and the Democrat existence is to
Speaker 2: subsidize it. We got subsidize, We've got a subsett we
Speaker 2: need more subsidy, which means what it means you're still
Speaker 2: spending well even more money on things in order to
Speaker 2: make it affordable for people. So basically, like the Democrats
Speaker 2: are about giving out coupons, it's a coupon, it's a voucher.
Speaker 2: Got a coupon, Well, it's a coupon. Well, I know,
Speaker 2: food or healthcare, it's this much, but here's a coupon
Speaker 2: for eighty percent off fifty percent. Great, but who's paying
Speaker 2: for that? Well, we all are, So we're just borrowing
Speaker 2: more money we don't have. We have a thirty eight
Speaker 2: trillion dollar deficit, and there's complicity there. The other side
Speaker 2: of it is and I've yet to hear an argument
Speaker 2: from Republicans as to how you fix healthcare. Because we're
Speaker 2: in benefit season right now. It's time to make those
Speaker 2: tough decisions. See how much more you're going to cause
Speaker 2: it's going to come out of your check for how
Speaker 2: less coverage you're going to wind up don And it's
Speaker 2: not because you know your evil corporate overlords want it
Speaker 2: that way. It's the way the system it's jacked up.
Speaker 2: You know, if we don't like Adaca, if we don't
Speaker 2: like affordable care, if a logal of subsidy, you have
Speaker 2: the power controlling both sides, both the House and the
Speaker 2: Senate and the Presidency, to be able to maybe implement
Speaker 2: something to fix it. So give me a plan. Say
Speaker 2: what you all about subsidies, which I hate, but it
Speaker 2: does something for people. If it's broken, it doesn't work,
Speaker 2: and subsidies are terrible, then then come up with a
Speaker 2: way to fix the healthcare system. And yet what do
Speaker 2: we do we have My side is right, your side
Speaker 2: is wrong. We have a government that is not functioning.
Speaker 2: We have a Congress that can't pass a budget. They
Speaker 2: have one job. And in my lifetime now there have
Speaker 2: been two times where we've balanced the budget. We haven't
Speaker 2: be able to do that the other three thousand years
Speaker 2: I've been alive. Not good, not good. To blame. Well,
Speaker 2: Trump's out in the dead in another country, and it's
Speaker 2: not on Trump, it's on Congress. Now can he say
Speaker 2: something that maybe encourage Yeah, I guess, but again that
Speaker 2: you're not understanding the most basic sense of government is
Speaker 2: it is the United States Congress, and when they don't
Speaker 2: do stuff, then what happens is we give all the
Speaker 2: power to the president, either Biden or in this case Trump,
Speaker 2: and he uses his pen and executive power to write
Speaker 2: an executive order when Congress should be doing this stuff. Okay,
Speaker 2: I get it. You made your point. Time to probably
Speaker 2: pass another continuing resolution, kick the can down the road
Speaker 2: for another and shut it down in seven weeks we'll
Speaker 2: have this conversation again. It's exhausting, is what it is.
Speaker 2: Relative to Anna Alby, And I think it's interesting now
Speaker 2: we have more evidence here of the incompetence of share
Speaker 2: Along in particular. And I would say aftered, pure vol
Speaker 2: put them in the same boat. And if I'm a
Speaker 2: if are in council right now, like I don't, I'll
Speaker 2: be I would not be as genteel as she was,
Speaker 2: uh and worried about party politics and kissing the ring
Speaker 2: and everything else, because after have puervoal is going to
Speaker 2: cost somebody their seat. Now he's going to wind up
Speaker 2: getting re elected. Could I be wrong? Absolutely been wrong before.
Speaker 2: But if you look at the fundraising, if you look
Speaker 2: at the power of the incumbency and everything else, and
Speaker 2: it's not an insult of all the Corey Bowman. Then
Speaker 2: Corey's a great guy. He's got some decent ideas. But
Speaker 2: being a pastor who is related to JD. Vance in deep,
Speaker 2: deep blue Cincinnati is not good. There's baggage already. People
Speaker 2: are going to pay attention, people are just going to
Speaker 2: tune them out instantly, and so by default have to
Speaker 2: have wins. Could I be wrong? Could we have the
Speaker 2: huge upset? Sure one hundred percent. Is it possible, But
Speaker 2: it's unlikely. I think what's more likely are how voters
Speaker 2: respond relative to the city council. It feels like, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't change that with Aftab, but I sure as
Speaker 2: hell can change the makeup of counsel, and probably for
Speaker 2: the better. So I don't understand if you are one
Speaker 2: of these folks, and maybe it's for office later on
Speaker 2: down the line or another appointment or something like that.
Speaker 2: If you kiss the ring, you get that. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: part of politics, I guess is if you are the
Speaker 2: good soldier, you'll get rewarded somewhere along the line, but
Speaker 2: in the short term you're out of a job. I
Speaker 2: just think voters are pissed off enough to start holding
Speaker 2: people accountable. If it can't be aftabed, maybe it's someone
Speaker 2: else on counsel. That's unfortunate, because I think we've got
Speaker 2: some good and a few people that maybe not so
Speaker 2: good on council will probably have to go anyway. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: we have this new story out yesterday and the Inquirer
Speaker 2: regarding what transpired right before share Long fired chief Thiji. No,
Speaker 2: she's not fired, she's just done paid administrative leave. Okay. Well,
Speaker 2: you named an interim superintendent in Adam Hayey. Okay, So
Speaker 2: if you name someone in interim head coach, that means
Speaker 2: you're waiting for the next head coach to come along.
Speaker 2: If you're acting head coach, you're waiting for the person
Speaker 2: who's the coach to come back or get better or
Speaker 2: whatever it is the reason they took leave in the
Speaker 2: first place. So right away, you're telling me that she's fired,
Speaker 2: even when I'm saying she's fired. So this email comes
Speaker 2: out on August fifteenth, I'm sure along to Thiji, and
Speaker 2: it mandated that all communications, external meetings announcements have to
Speaker 2: be clear through the city Manager's office because she needs
Speaker 2: to save face. Because it's a bad look. You caught
Speaker 2: me off guard when you said you want to be
Speaker 2: on a task force to the Hamlin County Police Chiefs
Speaker 2: Association and Tim Holloway to address the revolving justice system,
Speaker 2: because the problem here, one of the problems is the
Speaker 2: justice system. We know how drunk and broke it is,
Speaker 2: where we have judges that are taking people with very
Speaker 2: serious charges against them and giving them bed for the
Speaker 2: doubt that they they're going to show back up to court,
Speaker 2: that they're going to go talk to their probation officer
Speaker 2: and get a job and all these things, and then
Speaker 2: they turn around and pick up a gun that's probably
Speaker 2: the almost the same gun that they got in trouble
Speaker 2: with in the first place, and go on commit even
Speaker 2: worse crimes. And we have a steady drum beat of
Speaker 2: that for a long time, but especially this summurb. That
Speaker 2: is a reasonable thing for a chief to do to go, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: my men and women that didn't movee line. The officers
Speaker 2: of the City of Cincinnati, Hamlin County Sheriff's Department, we
Speaker 2: got a problem here because we're catching people, we're apprehending them,
Speaker 2: we're giving you the charges prosecuted does what they do,
Speaker 2: and the judge simply says, well, these are just these
Speaker 2: are criminals, but they're victims too, when we have to
Speaker 2: treat them like they're victims, which is the mentality I
Speaker 2: think from progressives largely, whether it's in the bench or
Speaker 2: whether it's the city manager and the mayor of the
Speaker 2: city of Cincinnati, and so again, more worried about optics,
Speaker 2: more worried about being caught off guard, and more worried
Speaker 2: about how things look on the perception is rather than
Speaker 2: your safety. You know, we're more worried about how we
Speaker 2: look to the wrestler. Well, when that video splashed with
Speaker 2: they beat down in July, Hell, did we look to
Speaker 2: the rest of the world. I was halfway around the
Speaker 2: rest of the world in Australia and that was on
Speaker 2: the news. I turned on the TV. Michelle's getting ready,
Speaker 2: We're going to go to dinner, last few days of
Speaker 2: our trip, our bucket list trip, and I'm watching this violence.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it going on. It looks horrible. I
Speaker 2: wonder if that's Chicago or is it La Is it Nope?
Speaker 2: Is a point It's got to be Portland that looks
Speaker 2: like Nope, Cincinnati Ohio. Holy crap, Holy crap. Here we go.
Speaker 2: So the optics are, you're not doing your job, and
Speaker 2: that's the problem. When you're all worried about how things look,
Speaker 2: you're not focused on the important stuff. So she goes
Speaker 2: at THEIJI and says, there's some challenges messaging. It can
Speaker 2: cause in confusion, and we got to be united on
Speaker 2: safety and messaging. And now we just hired Frost Brown
Speaker 2: Todd at what forty fifty thousand dollars to come up
Speaker 2: with the reasons why we fired Chief Thiji after we
Speaker 2: fired her is to justify that behavior. And it may
Speaker 2: take months. It's going to take well after the election,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. Maybe by the first of the year
Speaker 2: we'll have an answer on this thing. About the same
Speaker 2: time we'll have and answer as to what the hell
Speaker 2: happened in July twenty sixth with the street beatdown. No
Speaker 2: word about that either, by the way normally stuff comes out,
Speaker 2: there's no we're not hearing a word about that because
Speaker 2: there's an election to be one, damn it. Nonetheless, it
Speaker 2: doesn't this undermine the money that you're spending already with
Speaker 2: this law firm. One may ask, because what you're trying
Speaker 2: to do is come up to the reason why you
Speaker 2: fire Chief Thigi. And Chief Thigi says, well, listen, there's
Speaker 2: nothing in my jacket. I've been here thirty five, thirty
Speaker 2: six years. There's significant You have no cause to fire me,
Speaker 2: no need cause with a contract, but there's no cause there.
Speaker 2: Give me a reason why my incompetence. I did something wrong.
Speaker 2: I was stealing money, I was paying officers, I was
Speaker 2: doing something illegal. If not, I'm doing something that is
Speaker 2: against my code of conduct. Here, I'm not doing There's
Speaker 2: more I could be doing relative to policing. What is
Speaker 2: that woman not doing? Is a question? And the new
Speaker 2: of the interim chief how much different is he than Thigi?
Speaker 2: And the idea here is well, we've got to separate
Speaker 2: Chief Thiji's behavior from our policies. We've got to look
Speaker 2: for the behavior of Chief Dji to justify firing her,
Speaker 2: and that's what we're looking for here. Well, this doesn't
Speaker 2: help that case, does it, Because now if this memo
Speaker 2: comes out, if this leaks out, and City ser Long
Speaker 2: is saying, well, listen, we got to rein you in.
Speaker 2: You're going off the reservation. Now, we've got to control
Speaker 2: all your communications and meetings and announcement. It's got to
Speaker 2: be cleared through my office. Not not like, hey, let
Speaker 2: me know it's gone to but cleared. I have to
Speaker 2: approve who you're meeting with, who you're talking to, what
Speaker 2: you're thinking, and what you're about to say. Doesn't that
Speaker 2: look to you like the chief or any chief or
Speaker 2: any administrative leader in our city doesn't have autonomy that
Speaker 2: the mayor and the city manager under the mayor are
Speaker 2: dictating policy. Doesn't that undermine that money that you, the taxpayers,
Speaker 2: are spending on this law firm to find out reasons
Speaker 2: why we're looking for something anything to blame Terry Thigi
Speaker 2: for to justify her dismissal. And then you come out
Speaker 2: in this and I think this selves, Terry, and I
Speaker 2: think there's a reason why this this was leaked out.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, Long said, any outreach or contact with elected
Speaker 2: officials must go through the city director's Government Affairs office.
Speaker 2: So she can't talk, she can't think, she can't do it.
Speaker 2: She has no autonomy to kind of, you know, press
Speaker 2: some levers and make some noise in order to police
Speaker 2: the way she sees fit. That totally underminds that argument,
Speaker 2: I think so she's on administrative leave. And then the
Speaker 2: other thing that comes out of this email, which I
Speaker 2: think is really funny and Willie, you'll probably be talking
Speaker 2: more of this is the timeline with this is we
Speaker 2: get the Fountain Square shooting downtown on October thirteenth, and
Speaker 2: there's growing public concerns, as you know, to everything from
Speaker 2: Patrick Harringer to the viral fight and everything else. So
Speaker 2: two days later, after the Fountain Square thing, she leaves
Speaker 2: for Denver, or maybe the night before she left for Denver,
Speaker 2: Terry Thiji for this conference. So two days past at
Speaker 2: nine twenty six am, Fiji emails sheer along and the
Speaker 2: HR director some payroll issue. She mentions in the communication
Speaker 2: it's her thirty sixth anniversary with the city and said,
Speaker 2: I can't stay forever here forever, so I just want
Speaker 2: to plan. No one knows what that means, and so
Speaker 2: Long and the HR director say, well, we'll meet about
Speaker 2: this particular staffing issue. Payroll describe maybe it's her payroll,
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever that's in the morning. By the afternoon, sure,
Speaker 2: Long texts Terry Thiji, who's at this police conference in Denver,
Speaker 2: saying call me, call me at one seventeen, call me.
Speaker 2: Terry's in a car on a way the conference's got
Speaker 2: another chiefs in the vehicle and says, well, can I
Speaker 2: wait till I get back to the hotel And didn't
Speaker 2: get a response other than maybe no. But at that
Speaker 2: point she also, I'm guessing she realized what's going on.
Speaker 2: She got a statement from the Reds praising her for
Speaker 2: her work and trying to fight crime downtown and sends
Speaker 2: that to share Alan And about this time here on
Speaker 2: seven hundred WW it's the afternoon. Willie is on at
Speaker 2: about one o'clock in the afternoon, and how fast World
Speaker 2: travels was evidence in this too. Is about the time
Speaker 2: that shieron Long is about to call Terry Thigi back
Speaker 2: and write request she'd come back from Denver. The word
Speaker 2: has already gotten out that Terry Thigi is coming back
Speaker 2: to be fired. Remember that happened? Is like they've called
Speaker 2: the chief back. She needs to get back as an
Speaker 2: urgent concern. Fiji then mentions back to shar Long because
Speaker 2: she's in Denver. She said, well, I much have mentioned like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, are you hearing anything out there? And
Speaker 2: she said I hadn't gotten any calls. Maybe WLW being
Speaker 2: typical dramatic is what Terry Thigi said. And I'm guessing
Speaker 2: that as a reaction to us here on this radio station,
Speaker 2: particularly Bill Cunningham talking about what's happening with Terry Thigi.
Speaker 2: Like the words already spreading because Terry knew, and if
Speaker 2: Terry knew, other people who know, because she's probably gonna
Speaker 2: maybe talk to some people about and say, they're calling
Speaker 2: me back from Denver, what the hell's going on in
Speaker 2: the city. I think that's a reasonable thing, like what
Speaker 2: happened now, it's been two days since the Fountain Square shooting.
Speaker 2: We have something else going on. I got to come back,
Speaker 2: what's happening? And someone said, no, there's nothing going on there,
Speaker 2: summoning you back, which then would indicate you're about to
Speaker 2: get fired. You don't call someone back in for no
Speaker 2: reason whatsoever. Going well, we've got some man, we've got
Speaker 2: some leadership things we got to talk about. But I'm
Speaker 2: at a conference. I can't wait. No, you need to
Speaker 2: come back right now. So of course word travels fast,
Speaker 2: and the word gets out that and you know, Willie
Speaker 2: was right, we're not being dramatic. You got fired, And
Speaker 2: then there's some other tacks, saying, in light of the
Speaker 2: recent high profile incident and heightened public attention surrounding it,
Speaker 2: we need you back in town in the earliest flight
Speaker 2: you can catch, please call me, which sounds very pre
Speaker 2: in light of the recent higher profile incident, heightened public
Speaker 2: attention surrounding and we need you back in town because
Speaker 2: she had readymade that decision to let her go. I
Speaker 2: mean heightened public attention. We're kind of at peak on Monday. Okay,
Speaker 2: that happened on the weekend, and two days by two
Speaker 2: days okay, we settled. Nan. It's like, okay, there's heightened
Speaker 2: public attention to the fountains cair shooting, for sure, But
Speaker 2: why would you call her back from Denver. There's nothing
Speaker 2: you can do about what happened forty eight I was earlier.
Speaker 2: There's nothing unless you had some information about some sort
Speaker 2: of I don't know, planned attack or planned criminal activity.
Speaker 2: There's no reason for her to do that. And that
Speaker 2: was like the end of the conversation. And then she
Speaker 2: came back. And then by the twentieth on the twenties,
Speaker 2: so that was five days after that is when the
Speaker 2: city and tear and UH and share along place Stigi
Speaker 2: on administratively paid administry pending internal investigation of the effectiveness
Speaker 2: of her leadership. And of course she's lawyered up. She's
Speaker 2: a political scapegoat. I believe that to be true. I
Speaker 2: agree with Steve im on this. But the whole thing
Speaker 2: is the fact that this indicates to me that most
Speaker 2: certainly share along and most certainly have to have puival
Speaker 2: dictate the policy. You're now hired a law firm to
Speaker 2: prove the exact opposite. Terry. Theg is like, look, you're
Speaker 2: the piper. You call the tune. If you're worried about DEEI,
Speaker 2: if you're at about treating our criminals like victims, that's
Speaker 2: the game you want to play with your administration. That's
Speaker 2: how you were on the city. I take my orders
Speaker 2: from you, Okay, I'll fall in line and make sure
Speaker 2: the troops fall in line. And to that degree, I
Speaker 2: think that's why she had a rift with maybe some
Speaker 2: of the beat cops, and she was not really loved
Speaker 2: all that much by the beat cops. It was kind
Speaker 2: of a love hate situation, I guess from what I understand.
Speaker 2: And you know, if you're a boss, you're not going
Speaker 2: to keep everybody happy, especially if you're the chief of
Speaker 2: police and you have a police union, and I get that,
Speaker 2: but I also think that if you're going to take
Speaker 2: that job, they're going to tell you what to do
Speaker 2: and how to do it, and you're just going to
Speaker 2: kind of follow it. And you know what, you're blaming
Speaker 2: Terry Thiji for your bad policies. You made bad policy decisions.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you took some I don't know, some
Speaker 2: study from Harvard or some sort of nutty professor that
Speaker 2: told you the way to keep the peace is to
Speaker 2: simply appease the criminals rather than lock them up and
Speaker 2: be strong about it. You know, we're going to empty
Speaker 2: the jails, we're gonna have no bond, we're gonna have
Speaker 2: aar And now a percentage of the population takes advantage
Speaker 2: of that because that's what they do, not all of it,
Speaker 2: but a small percentage of the criminal and this is
Speaker 2: what you wind up getting. And so that's not the
Speaker 2: fault Terry Fiji. That is the fault of failed leadership
Speaker 2: above Terry Thigi, and she's paying the price. Very interesting though,
Speaker 2: it sounds to me like the Mayor's office and sherlong
Speaker 2: dictate how Terry Thigi should perform her job. I mean
Speaker 2: controlling the what she's saying or thinking sounds to me
Speaker 2: like they're underminding the whole investigation. They desired a big
Speaker 2: law for them to do, and it just gets crazier
Speaker 2: every day, really does. We'll get a time out and
Speaker 2: we've got news in just about four minutes here on
Speaker 2: seven hundred ww when we return County Commissioner at Lisha
Speaker 2: Reese on the show, can the county help plug the
Speaker 2: looming snap gap that's about to hit on Saturday? We'll
Speaker 2: get into that and much more just ahead when the
Speaker 2: Scott's Loan Show continues after this on seven hundred ww.
Speaker 4: Do you want to be an American idiot?
Speaker 2: Scott blown back on seven hundred WWS. So, we have
Speaker 2: a coalition about half of the United States, the United
Speaker 2: States and District of Columbia are suing the Trump administration
Speaker 2: over the suspension of food staff benefits. With the government
Speaker 2: shutdown happening right now, so here in Ohio we can't
Speaker 2: control DC. But now we're going, all right, what about snap?
Speaker 2: What about tamp what about Wick? What about that money
Speaker 2: if we don't get federal funds? Is looking that way
Speaker 2: as we get closer to Saturday Locally, Governor Dewin said
Speaker 2: he's studying options involving state money. I had a council
Speaker 2: member all be on earlier this morning and she said
Speaker 2: the city's looking at this too. And the county held
Speaker 2: they hearing yesterday where Alicia Reese was a holding court
Speaker 2: as she usually does. Commissioner Reese welcome, how are you.
Speaker 6: Oh, I've had better days. I'll tell you that, better days.
Speaker 2: I bet this is tough, unbelievable. Yeah, we got so
Speaker 2: to bring people up to speed on this. To bring
Speaker 2: up to speed, one point four million Ohioans reliance SNAP
Speaker 2: benefits and about forty three thousand kids, so roughly one
Speaker 2: in eight folks who live in Hamlin County are getting
Speaker 2: some form of SNAP benefits. Every month in Hamlin County,
Speaker 2: SNAP pays out nineteen million dollars, I said, nineteen million
Speaker 2: a month. With your budget and even the city's budget.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you overcome that, Alicia.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it is you look at it. We
Speaker 6: can overcome it. I mean we're talking in almost two
Speaker 6: hundred and forty million a year, and we're looking at
Speaker 6: ninety seven thousand of those people like you said right
Speaker 6: here in Hamilton County, and you know they yesterday the
Speaker 6: Director of Jobs and Family Services. One of the things
Speaker 6: he talked about is these are people who are working.
Speaker 6: Majority of these people who actually work every day, some
Speaker 6: of them working two and three jobs. You're looking at
Speaker 6: children who in it's to children. Then you're looking at
Speaker 6: senior citizens.
Speaker 1: Who pay their dues.
Speaker 6: There. You know, that's a big chunk of people. I mean,
Speaker 6: you're very pro veteran serve Yeah, veterans who serve this country.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is this is unbelievable. And to deny
Speaker 6: them something as basic as being able to have food
Speaker 6: on the table is unbelieve And then one of the
Speaker 6: things the food free Store Food Bank, which you know
Speaker 6: the in world hunger. That's one of my since been dear,
Speaker 6: dear in my heart and I've always worked with them
Speaker 6: for you know, most of my life helping. One of
Speaker 6: the things that was said that we can't food pantry
Speaker 6: ourselves out into it. You know, even with the money
Speaker 6: that we have that we had from Snap. We had
Speaker 6: SNAP and food bank was kind of a gap filler.
Speaker 6: It was never the main line. And so it won't
Speaker 6: be we won't be able to We're going to put
Speaker 6: more money toward that. We as a as a county commission,
Speaker 6: we've put about two million dollars with the URPA money
Speaker 6: that we did. We're looking for more opera money. We
Speaker 6: know we probably got at least another two hundred thousand.
Speaker 6: We're scraping to sign some others. Uh so that number
Speaker 6: may go up, but we know that that is just
Speaker 6: a temporary situation. Then what people don't understand the economic
Speaker 6: impact of the snap benefits. In other words, for every
Speaker 6: dollar that we put in you talked about the nineteen million,
Speaker 6: we get one dollar and fifty four cents back. So
Speaker 6: we're talking about almost you know, over two hundred close
Speaker 6: three hundred million dollars economically in the economy to keep
Speaker 6: this economy going.
Speaker 2: Because you're going to buy stuff, you're going to go
Speaker 2: to the store, you're going to go to Kroger, whatever,
Speaker 2: and that money gets pumped back into the economy, and
Speaker 2: that means jobs and a fewer people are done. You know, Okay,
Speaker 2: you don't need that many people at Kroger working wherever
Speaker 2: you get your groceries, and you can't you keep I
Speaker 2: talked to a Kurt Ryber on Monday Show. Alicia Reese
Speaker 2: CEO of the Freestar Food Bank, and he was he
Speaker 2: was kind about that. They said, well, I'm optimistic we'll
Speaker 2: get this thing settled now here it is, you know,
Speaker 2: we're heading in the back half the week and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden that's not looking at a certainty or
Speaker 2: a guarantee for sure. But he said, look, we might
Speaker 2: have to open twice a month to folks who are
Speaker 2: on SNAP are supposed to once a month, and he's
Speaker 2: going to have to lean on his vendors as suppliers,
Speaker 2: and of course the generosity of Cincinnatians and they serve
Speaker 2: not just Cincinnati, but as you know, like twenty counties.
Speaker 2: So if you're hearing this and like I have make
Speaker 2: a donation the free Store Food Bank because it's that
Speaker 2: time of the year and now we're getting to you know,
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and Christmas when the need is even great. It's
Speaker 2: like the worst time possible for this to happen.
Speaker 6: It's the worst time possible. And as you indicate it,
Speaker 6: we looked at also the Director of Jobs and Family Services,
Speaker 6: because all of the SNAP benefits don't happen just at
Speaker 6: the beginning of the month, right, We've got half at
Speaker 6: the beginning of the month. So we've got a group
Speaker 6: that will be impacted November first. Then we've got another
Speaker 6: half where theirs are in the middle of the month,
Speaker 6: so theirs would go out right at Thanksgiving. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's unbelievable. And then you talked about Kroger's and others.
Speaker 6: They're small, there's farmers' markets, there's smaller retails. Over almost
Speaker 6: ten thousand retails stores throughout Ohio will be affected. So
Speaker 6: now we're talking about some you know, some of the
Speaker 6: smaller stores as well as it affects you know, Kroger's
Speaker 6: and all those because the less people buy, right, the
Speaker 6: higher the prices and so. And then some of the
Speaker 6: smaller retail stores, the farmer markets and those kinds of things,
Speaker 6: some of them have indicated they might go out of business.
Speaker 6: And those are the ones that provide the fresh fruit
Speaker 6: into some of these food desert areas. So it's a
Speaker 6: trickle effect. Then you have senior citizens who many are
Speaker 6: on medicine, and some children that have to take medicines.
Speaker 6: And now you have to decide can I afford the
Speaker 6: medicine or the food. And everybody knows when you take
Speaker 6: medicines that it says you got to eat with the medicine,
Speaker 6: so it's a trickle down effect. And then we had
Speaker 6: CMHA a director come in and he said it also
Speaker 6: affects because now we're talking about housing and his program
Speaker 6: has because of the government shut down. He indicated that
Speaker 6: it will affect people with affordable housing as well. And
Speaker 6: you know, we've been pushing affordable houses. Will people be
Speaker 6: able to have a place to live? And you know,
Speaker 6: it's slow, it's just everything, and you know, I've been
Speaker 6: on this property taxes. He just chilling us, you know,
Speaker 6: and we did that. We did that Bengals Deals Sloan
Speaker 6: and they took out thirty percent, so we can't even
Speaker 6: try to get to thirty percent rebate. Then the state
Speaker 6: would not do anything on the property taxes. Yet they're
Speaker 6: still fiddling trying to figure that out.
Speaker 2: What's going on. And that's that's a whole separate, complex issue,
Speaker 2: right And then the main time it is coming up,
Speaker 2: bottom line is Saturday. Unless things change in Washington, a
Speaker 2: lot of people are going to have to do without.
Speaker 2: And I, you know, I look at this thing, Alicia
Speaker 2: Reese's you know, and and we even mentioned for example,
Speaker 2: the federal workers, for example, who are working out of
Speaker 2: the paycheck. And I said, when this thing started, I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, it's theater, is what it is. And
Speaker 2: then what happens is in about thirty days that theater
Speaker 2: becomes reality. So you see the snap benefits cut concerns
Speaker 2: with the FAA. You have freder worker's now missing a
Speaker 2: couple paychecks. You know most families can afford. You know, Okay,
Speaker 2: can we tighten it up for till the next pay cycle?
Speaker 2: Sure we do that all the time. You start talking
Speaker 2: a couple of pay cycles, that's a different story entirely.
Speaker 2: And yet these people still have to show up to work.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they got to show up to work not getting paid. Song.
Speaker 6: Now we're in twenty twenty twenty five, right, twenty twenty
Speaker 6: five people working and not getting paid. Come on, in
Speaker 6: this society, there'd be a furlough. These people have home mortgages,
Speaker 6: they will have the property taxes. We do, their gas
Speaker 6: and electrics do. Now you're talking over here those with
Speaker 6: the snap benefits now they can't get anything to eat.
Speaker 6: Children's families worried.
Speaker 2: How problems gonna be a problem.
Speaker 6: This is outrageous. And then the phone we have until
Speaker 6: this Thursday, and I don't think it's gonna go. The
Speaker 6: state then said, hey, you fix the problem on property taxes,
Speaker 6: and you saw Butler County and Orange County they looking
Speaker 6: to double the homestead to help the seniors. But it
Speaker 6: doesn't look like you know, I asked the administrator to
Speaker 6: look at all options, and it doesn't seem like I'm
Speaker 6: going to get the support to be able to do
Speaker 6: that here in Hamilton County. So now what do we do.
Speaker 6: We can't give the homeowners to break federal workers furloughs.
Speaker 6: That's your middle class that they're working with no paycheck.
Speaker 6: Senior citizens have done their time and they can't now
Speaker 6: get anything to eat. They don't know if to pay
Speaker 6: for the medicine or can they pay to get something
Speaker 6: to eat. Children out here hungry. These ninety seven thousand
Speaker 6: people affected about the snap benefits, like you said, nutrition
Speaker 6: and all that, they can't even get anything to eat,
Speaker 6: and most of them are working every day. I mean,
Speaker 6: what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pretty soon it's gonna be you're gonna
Speaker 2: look at it and go, okay, well I can feed
Speaker 2: my kids, or I can pay the electric bill, and
Speaker 2: you know, you can have a really good job and
Speaker 2: good income stream and still feel the pinch of the
Speaker 2: spatic hell Isshia, you got a couple of you good
Speaker 2: money and you still have a hard time painting your
Speaker 2: electric bill.
Speaker 6: Hey, let me just say let me say this.
Speaker 2: Let me say this.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 6: I am a normal working person and I and I
Speaker 6: have the struggles of everybody.
Speaker 2: Because this morning Alicia was a little late because her
Speaker 2: phone died because her power went out. And I said, well,
Speaker 2: I mean you got pay that, you gotta pay, you
Speaker 2: got pay, Duke Kennedy.
Speaker 6: Girl, I jumped up, saw said, I said, waving my glasses.
Speaker 6: I said, wait, mante isn't say, and you know, get
Speaker 6: my get my lecture, I got my receipt.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna waving in somebody's face.
Speaker 6: It was a power or somebody won't.
Speaker 2: Be Yeah, that's what it is. I love the conspiracy.
Speaker 6: I really do.
Speaker 2: Us Alisha ras County Commissioner on the show, it's let
Speaker 2: me just tell a picture.
Speaker 6: I've got the five or three release bus and we
Speaker 6: have helped thirty thousand people where we got the bus
Speaker 6: going all over the county. We're going to try to
Speaker 6: connect people to as much help as we have available
Speaker 6: to them. Right now, we're bringing food, We're bringing all
Speaker 6: kind of help from jobs and family services, anything we have.
Speaker 6: We're going to try to connect them and answer the
Speaker 6: problems that they may have. And we also try to
Speaker 6: get people. Let's get these unclaimed funds, every little dollar count.
Speaker 6: We're in a nine to one one right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are, and you hope that cooler heads prevail.
Speaker 2: Like if I were to talk to you know, Democrats
Speaker 2: and Republicans, I think the sentiment of the country is, Okay,
Speaker 2: you made your point. You made your point. Now once
Speaker 2: you get past. And the reason why the longest shutdown
Speaker 2: was thirty five days is because after you know, first
Speaker 2: few weeks at theater, once you start to get past
Speaker 2: that thirty day, market really starts to hurt people who
Speaker 2: don't deserve it. And you know, so at the end
Speaker 2: of the day is you know, could play party politics
Speaker 2: and our sides got to win and crush the other side.
Speaker 2: But you know when when individual families and kids and
Speaker 2: veterans and seniors are getting squeezed out and literally not
Speaker 2: getting food, I think that's time both sides have to go. Look,
Speaker 2: we made our point. We've eventually got a govern here.
Speaker 2: We got to legislate and let's fix this problem through
Speaker 2: the legislative action, not executive order. And a lot of
Speaker 2: people blame Trump for all this thing, but it's party politics.
Speaker 2: It's the lines are so defined and there's such a
Speaker 2: gap between the two parties right now. This is why
Speaker 2: Congress largely we're sending them to Washington. What are they doing.
Speaker 2: All they're doing is shutting. They came and bounce a
Speaker 2: budgetally share you got one job, you can't do that,
Speaker 2: and then you shut the government down like every ten
Speaker 2: minutes on the tens.
Speaker 6: Well, we got to come together. But this is an
Speaker 6: economics fight. We've got to fight going right now. Sloan
Speaker 6: from creating the have and the have not and the
Speaker 6: have nots is growing and getting crushed at whatever they do.
Speaker 6: I encourage all of them to come together, but we
Speaker 6: also got to make sure that we could afford to
Speaker 6: go to the hospital. I mean, I mean, it's an
Speaker 6: economics fight, Like you said, whether it's a snap benefit,
Speaker 6: whether it's a property Texas, whether it's you know, whether
Speaker 6: it's cannot afford to go to the hospital right now,
Speaker 6: because you know we can't basically America, we just can't
Speaker 6: afford to pay more. We can't pay more to go
Speaker 6: to the hospital. We can't pay more to go to
Speaker 6: the doctors. We can't go out here and cut our
Speaker 6: snap benefits, we can't pay more for property takes. We
Speaker 6: just squeezed. So the economy has squeezed us. And like
Speaker 6: you said, here we are down at the bottom, trying
Speaker 6: to trying to survive. And I think I would want
Speaker 6: all of them. I don't care who you are. Take
Speaker 6: the posits out of it. Enough, fight for Americans to
Speaker 6: be able to look forward.
Speaker 2: To live, go back and negotiate and come up with something.
Speaker 2: And you know, Democrats, it's about subsidy. I think subsidy
Speaker 2: is terrible because it's just making affordable or I guess
Speaker 2: pretending to make affordable something that's not. You're taking cash
Speaker 2: from one palm, move it to another. At the end
Speaker 2: of the day, this is why we've got a thirty
Speaker 2: eight trillion dollar deficit with the subsidies. Republicans and I've
Speaker 2: talked to many of my friends in the right side
Speaker 2: of the owl talk about, you know, empowering people to
Speaker 2: take care of better care of their health and incentivizing
Speaker 2: well and it's that's all well and good, but that
Speaker 2: takes ten, twenty, thirty forty years or more for that
Speaker 2: to take it. We need a plan right now. We
Speaker 2: need to fix the broken healthcare system right now. We
Speaker 2: don't need more sub and we don't need, you know,
Speaker 2: to empower people in future generations to get healthy. We
Speaker 2: still need to have people today that have cancer, that
Speaker 2: have diabetes, that are in wheelchairs, that have mental illness,
Speaker 2: all those things, and we're not we're not addressing that.
Speaker 2: We're just kicking the can down the road. And both
Speaker 2: sides are complicity, that's all it is. And it's squeezing
Speaker 2: out the county, the city, the state. We're screwed. We
Speaker 2: don't have the rainy day fund and now that was
Speaker 2: in the proposals is to get to wind to tap
Speaker 2: the rainy day funds. There's four billion dollars in that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long that would fund SNAP. It
Speaker 2: might get us through another month. But the problem with
Speaker 2: that though is, you know, Alicia, is the General Assembly
Speaker 2: needs to pass the legislation and that's not going to
Speaker 2: happen by Saturday. You can't directly fund SNAP because the
Speaker 2: state only verifies eligibility. That's a federal government runs that system.
Speaker 6: Well, I think we all got to have there's unpresident.
Speaker 6: This is unprecedented what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Self inflicted. That's the worst part.
Speaker 6: Yeah, with self inflicting, and Americas are getting hurt. And
Speaker 6: I'm articles that you get in ballrooms even though it's
Speaker 6: private money. Can you imagine three hundred million of private
Speaker 6: money immediately? We need two hundred and forty million to
Speaker 6: do SNAP. The money is out there, but they're just
Speaker 6: squeezing everybody to having no money. And then only certain
Speaker 6: people have money. And we, like you said, we pay
Speaker 6: our taxes and we got to get a return on it.
Speaker 6: We got to resenting stuff to Washington, and damn it, Washington,
Speaker 6: we got to get it back here.
Speaker 2: Problem. That's a problem working people. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: let's take care of the working focus. Most of the
Speaker 2: people on SNAP are working. Families are working at least
Speaker 2: a couple jobs. And county commissioner at Lisha Reese, I'll
Speaker 2: let you go before I don't know, do you need
Speaker 2: a venue money so you can pay your electric bill?
Speaker 2: Can I help you? What can I do for you?
Speaker 6: It's been paid okay, all right, it's been paid for.
Speaker 2: And you wireless clariler works, they got I don't want
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 6: But there's some people out there. Let me just say,
Speaker 6: who can't pay? And I guess I got a glimpse
Speaker 6: of what it's like in the dark.
Speaker 2: And appreciate you so much. Alicia, thanks for jumping on
Speaker 2: this morning. Take care, have a good one, always bringing
Speaker 2: the heat here. Sure you don't any money that electric bill?
Speaker 2: I get you some cash or cricket wireless. Keep that
Speaker 2: phone going. She's good radio. She is Alicia Reese Hamlin
Speaker 2: County Commission in a very serious issue though. On Saturday. Uh,
Speaker 2: if these benefits expire, I want to believe that even
Speaker 2: Washington has some sense and goes, you know, we really,
Speaker 2: we really need to come to some common ground here
Speaker 2: because people are going to suffer starting on Saturday. Now
Speaker 2: is it gonna be Saturday? Exactly? That all of a
Speaker 2: sudden we're gonna have all, now what four million people starving?
Speaker 2: And I went, no, it's good a few days. But
Speaker 2: the point has been made. It's time to actually govern
Speaker 2: for a change. How about that. We sent you to
Speaker 2: Washington to government? How about governing? Why did you do that?
Speaker 2: Sloney seven hundred WI helping you put the big P
Speaker 2: in profession. Here's our career shir Julie Balki, All right,
Speaker 2: headed towards November. First, some people losing their snap benefits
Speaker 2: and other people have to make a decision on their healthcare.
Speaker 2: If you're in the private sector like me, maybe you
Speaker 2: that means trying to figure that out and navigate that.
Speaker 2: And only fifty seven percent of full time employees understand
Speaker 2: their benefits coverage. That is the lowest it's been since
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. And why that is and what's driving that?
Speaker 2: She has the answers. It's Julie Balki from the Bouki Group,
Speaker 2: career coach and consultant. It's Julie on the job of
Speaker 2: Sloany this morning on seven hundred double dowt. How you been,
Speaker 2: good morning.
Speaker 7: You know, reading this by harken back to my early
Speaker 7: days of my career in human resources, and this is
Speaker 7: not a new problem. In my experience. You had open
Speaker 7: enrollment every year where people had to come forward and
Speaker 7: say I select this program or I select this program,
Speaker 7: and literally for something as important as healthcare and medical benefits,
Speaker 7: it was like pulling teeth to get people to sign up.
Speaker 7: And it's just confounding to me. But at the same time,
Speaker 7: I think sometimes your health and medical benefits benefits in
Speaker 7: general falls into that same category of I'll worry about
Speaker 7: it when I need it, okay, like insurance, like general,
Speaker 7: like home insurance, like I expect it to be there
Speaker 7: for every every need I could possibly have when I
Speaker 7: need it. But I don't want to put a lot
Speaker 7: of time into reading over it because it just confuses me.
Speaker 7: Which I got it.
Speaker 2: I totally get that. It's like, there's there's twenty different
Speaker 2: plans and you could do this, and what's the out
Speaker 2: of pocket? And the thing is, unless you're a nature,
Speaker 2: no one understands, well, Okay, I got a colpay, I
Speaker 2: got this forty percent, but here's our family maximum or
Speaker 2: our monthly maximum. And then it's like I don't know what. Okay.
Speaker 2: Then you're an STD and LTD and FTD and ESPN
Speaker 2: and like my eyes glaze over.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, And I get it because those kind of
Speaker 7: things aren't natural for me to dig in and understand either.
Speaker 7: But it's also not reasonable to ignore it. Just pick,
Speaker 7: you know, give me the basics, and then you find
Speaker 7: out six months in that you have to have surgery
Speaker 7: and it's not covered because you didn't pick the right plan,
Speaker 7: that's not fair either. You know that's so there has
Speaker 7: to be And I know it seems that the whole
Speaker 7: areas seem to get so much more complex with whether
Speaker 7: it's ACA, or whether you are on your souse's benefits,
Speaker 7: or whether you're allowed to be on your spouse's benefics
Speaker 7: if you also have full time employment. So there's all
Speaker 7: these little loopholes and all these little if this then
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: But when you think.
Speaker 7: About the moment in which you really need once you're
Speaker 7: really going to need it, and how it can impact
Speaker 7: your financial future if you aren't covered and you have
Speaker 7: to have something done anyway, you just got to bear
Speaker 7: down to do it. And I know that that's I
Speaker 7: know that that's hard because I will admit, back when
Speaker 7: I was in corporate America, it was little last thing
Speaker 7: I wanted to do, even for myself, and so I
Speaker 7: get it. But and so it seems like all these
Speaker 7: people that have said I don't understand it. It seems
Speaker 7: kind of like a throw out my hands. I know
Speaker 7: companies do try to explain it, do try they have sessions,
Speaker 7: they do things to try to help you understand it.
Speaker 7: But you know, I used to say about benefits. When
Speaker 7: I was in HR, you can lean horses to water
Speaker 7: all day long, you can't make them drink. And that's
Speaker 7: that's really what this comes down to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm the old days. You know, when everyone
Speaker 2: met in person. We still worked in a workplace, Right,
Speaker 2: You'd have the big benefit meeting and everyone show up
Speaker 2: and there'd be someone there presenting the information, namely Julie
Speaker 2: Bouki or something like that, and it was a horrible
Speaker 2: meeting because about forty five minutes in your eyes start
Speaker 2: glazing over about benefits and then are there any questions?
Speaker 2: And sure, uh the question. Here's Matt Reese in the
Speaker 2: background raising his hand and he's going to ask a
Speaker 2: thousand questions and drag this drag this thing out three
Speaker 2: or four more hours long, and it's just it's insane.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. Fortunately, you can do that online and we
Speaker 2: have AI and stuff like that, but benefits are And
Speaker 2: the reason why we're seeing employees understand benefits lesson is
Speaker 2: because it's even more complex and expensive, Right, it is more.
Speaker 3: Complex and expensive.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it feels like if the depth and the
Speaker 7: scope of benefits get smaller and smaller, I mean, everybody
Speaker 7: over a certain age remembers a day when, maybe even
Speaker 7: early in your career, when you worked for a company
Speaker 7: where it was very small copey, very small deductible, you
Speaker 7: just showed up anywhere you wanted to and you were
Speaker 7: taken care of and that was it. And it's those
Speaker 7: days are never coming back, because certainly healthcare costs have
Speaker 7: risen cramily for companies, and so they can't.
Speaker 3: You know, I just wish, I just wish at some
Speaker 3: point it.
Speaker 7: Won't be where I'm alive or you're alive, but I
Speaker 7: wish somebody somewhere would have the courage to step up
Speaker 7: and face off with the healthcare and pharmaceutical lobby and
Speaker 7: the insurance lobby and separates healthcare benefits from employment. That
Speaker 7: works when they were unions with herban. It doesn't, It
Speaker 7: doesn't make sense anymore, and it's never apa right.
Speaker 3: It never did.
Speaker 7: That's what the ACA was for, so that you weren't
Speaker 7: stuck without benefits because you weren't employed. It attempted to
Speaker 7: make them more affordable, and it did for many, many people,
Speaker 7: so that you didn't have to hang on to a
Speaker 7: job you hated just so you had your healthcare covered.
Speaker 7: I mean even just saying that sentence sounds nutty, right,
Speaker 7: So yeah, so it's a it's a very very complex problem.
Speaker 2: It really isn't, Julie.
Speaker 3: Let me know.
Speaker 2: I've been on this on this soapbox for twenty something years.
Speaker 2: It's not that complex. All all Congress has to do
Speaker 2: is like, look, all right, starting at this date, you
Speaker 2: are no longer to offer healthcare benefits, healthcare benefits as
Speaker 2: an incentive at your workplace, like you can't if you're
Speaker 2: an employer, you don't do it, just don't do it,
Speaker 2: and and that way you don't have well some companies
Speaker 2: are offering somewhere just then the practice and allow the
Speaker 2: free market, Allow of the open market, like you do
Speaker 2: with your car insurance, like you do with your life insurance,
Speaker 2: your renter's insurance, all that stuff. The money you would
Speaker 2: save and not having to hire people like Julie Boukip
Speaker 2: to and essentially, I mean, how much of your job
Speaker 2: when you were in HR was HR. How much of
Speaker 2: your job was managing healthcare costs? You had a whole team,
Speaker 2: the bigger the company, you had to hire staffs of
Speaker 2: people to do that. Go to your doctor's office, you
Speaker 2: may have one nurse practitioner there, but there's five or
Speaker 2: six people. Their whole job is medical coding, medical building,
Speaker 2: doing all that stuff, putting entry level stuff to comply
Speaker 2: with the government and to comply with insurance companies.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but if we're going to do that, if you're
Speaker 7: going to say, okay, effective January first, twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 7: healthcare is now unpethered. You have entire industrial complexes of pharmaceuticals,
Speaker 7: medical products, doctors, hospitals, you know, medicare. I mean, everything
Speaker 7: has to be ready for that and has to be
Speaker 7: able to price it appropriately.
Speaker 4: They have to be able to stap for it.
Speaker 3: So it would take a pretty.
Speaker 7: Long runway to do that. Sure, but because the lobbies
Speaker 7: are so strong in all of those they they are
Speaker 7: in the back pocket of a lot of politicians that
Speaker 7: will never vote for that. So here we are again,
Speaker 7: step because our politicians have their hands out.
Speaker 2: Right right well, and then we need if we need fundraising,
Speaker 2: and damn it, you can do this, and it's better
Speaker 2: for America. It's better for the bottom line because you
Speaker 2: can stand it. You know, democratsical plays. Look, Okay, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have two hundred and twenty two million people who
Speaker 2: don't have any healthcare benefits and you're a capitalist and
Speaker 2: you have money. No, it doesn't work, though, way, the
Speaker 2: money you save and all the compliance and all the
Speaker 2: gouvern from a BS, you could take some of that
Speaker 2: money and have health care for people who fall into
Speaker 2: the poverty line and still have literally billions of dollars
Speaker 2: left over, if not trillions of dollars left over to
Speaker 2: balance the budget to put to something else. Because once
Speaker 2: employment is tied to healthcare benefits, too many people working
Speaker 2: crappy jobs simply because they need the benefits. It's so
Speaker 2: very true if you free what would that do for
Speaker 2: the gig economy On top of that, people who have
Speaker 2: two or three or four different jobs that would allow
Speaker 2: that to go on like gangbusters, Like what you would
Speaker 2: make up at the back end would more than cover
Speaker 2: the front end. But of course you're protecting someone else's turf.
Speaker 2: You're protecting insurance companies and big pharma and insurance providers
Speaker 2: and PBMs and all that stuff because they've made their
Speaker 2: success and they don't want that to go away. They
Speaker 2: don't want that gravy train to end.
Speaker 6: Mhmm exactly.
Speaker 7: It's the what we're seeing, which is I think really interesting.
Speaker 7: I think this is sort of the future because we're
Speaker 7: seeing harken back to the old days of COVID, which
Speaker 7: feels like it was a you know, different lifetime. But
Speaker 7: we saw think about we saw companies come out like okay,
Speaker 7: day care for your petday care for your grandma, perks
Speaker 7: for this, perks for that, you know, because they were
Speaker 7: in attraction mode. They were trying to get people to
Speaker 7: come work there. The problem is then when the pendulum
Speaker 7: swings back the other way, those are the first things
Speaker 7: to go. But what I do like about the personalization
Speaker 7: of benefits. So let's say if everybody has the same benefit,
Speaker 7: So as if a single person, a single thirty year
Speaker 7: old doesn't maybe doesn't have a spouse, doesn't have kids,
Speaker 7: and it's really healthy, they they they may choose a
Speaker 7: more a skinninger plan and then spend again, some of
Speaker 7: those benefit dollars for catastrophic or for you know, for
Speaker 7: more vacation time or PTO or doggie daycare or so
Speaker 7: I love the idea of a bank and a variety
Speaker 7: of benefits. There's obviously a lot of regulations around this.
Speaker 7: But the company I used to work four years ago,
Speaker 7: you had to at least have catastrophic, but beyond that,
Speaker 7: it was what do you need? Do you need more medications?
Speaker 4: You are you?
Speaker 7: Or can you use some of those dollars for wellness?
Speaker 7: And so if I think, I hope we're going to
Speaker 7: be heading in that direction because we are learning, whether
Speaker 7: it comes to hybrid works, remote work, in office work,
Speaker 7: one size doesn't fit all and so we have there
Speaker 7: some sort of personalization is I think a really important
Speaker 7: recruitment and retention strategy. But it's it's sticky, it's really
Speaker 7: really sticky. But the companies who figure it out, I think,
Speaker 7: are the companies who are going to be the places
Speaker 7: that say, instead of saying here's the benefits package, Oh,
Speaker 7: you don't need most of these things, sorry about that,
Speaker 7: instead say what do you need and then here are
Speaker 7: your options.
Speaker 2: Julie Bouki, our career is sure. But Wednesday morning's here
Speaker 2: on the Scotsland Show on seven hundred double de' lib
Speaker 2: bit of tuck and job related stuff on the big issues.
Speaker 2: We'll get to. The AI stuff is fascinating. We've been
Speaker 2: talking a lot about that, but we are now in
Speaker 2: that sweet spot here for benefits, right, it is trying
Speaker 2: to understand your benefits coverage. Decision day is coming up,
Speaker 2: kind of like when it was sports. To steal an
Speaker 2: analogy there, it is decision day. You decide how much
Speaker 2: more you're going to pay and how fewer benefits you're
Speaker 2: going to wind up getting. It's a mess. It's a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Only about sixty percent, less than six out of ten
Speaker 2: full time employees fully understand their benefits coverage. That's the
Speaker 2: lowest market it's been since twenty twenty. It's been trending
Speaker 2: down now for the last number of years because it's
Speaker 2: become more expensive, it's become more complex. People don't like
Speaker 2: to make the decision. They him and haw about it.
Speaker 2: They want to save some money, but then they worry
Speaker 2: what if they get sick? And I cover this whole thing?
Speaker 2: So we understand to struggle the benefits and how to
Speaker 2: access them when we need them, because I mean, let's
Speaker 2: face it, if your company is trying to get the
Speaker 2: best deal possible, you're probably changing insurance companies pretty much
Speaker 2: every year at this point. Benefitsarian and now this company
Speaker 2: to this, well, we're not doing this, we're not covering that,
Speaker 2: and just keeping track of it as a nightmare. Imagine
Speaker 2: being an HR professional when HR staffers and senior management said,
Speaker 2: and seven out of ten then say, we don't understand
Speaker 2: it all ourselves. That's a problem. That shows you how
Speaker 2: big the problem is.
Speaker 7: And imagine all of a sudden there's an accident, yeah,
Speaker 7: or you're very sick.
Speaker 1: Is that really want to.
Speaker 7: When you want to be online trying to figure all
Speaker 7: this stuff out and getting the bad news that you
Speaker 7: I forgot to plan up for that, right, So don't
Speaker 7: wait until that moment. And I always say, you know,
Speaker 7: I had a personal experience when my husband passed away.
Speaker 7: We had his living will, we had his healthcare power
Speaker 7: of returning. Everything was fresh done and in a notebook,
Speaker 7: and I just handed it to the hospital because I
Speaker 7: was I didn't even I couldn't even figure out where
Speaker 7: I was at the moment. So it's you know, I
Speaker 7: think you have to start. You have to put a
Speaker 7: little few brain cells toward figuring out am I ready
Speaker 7: when the worst happened. It doesn't have to consume you,
Speaker 7: but you're going to be glad you did because.
Speaker 6: It comes for us all eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, some that's gonna come back. And I wonder
Speaker 2: how like small and mid sized companies navigate this. You
Speaker 2: don't have a huge HR department to navigate all the thing.
Speaker 2: I'd imagine AI at some point, if not now, it
Speaker 2: is starting to fill that void.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I also they also a lot of times
Speaker 7: they rely on their benefits provider. They're brokers, the folks
Speaker 7: that they work with to develop the benefits programs. They
Speaker 7: rely on them to do the communication because they really
Speaker 7: are the experts. And so I would imagine the smaller
Speaker 7: companies more rely on their third party administrator or there.
Speaker 7: They're like an outsourced sort of organization that handles that
Speaker 7: for them because honestly, they're the experts. So it's going
Speaker 7: to be it's going to be a better use of
Speaker 7: their time.
Speaker 2: Anyway, before we started talking, I'll pivot to something else here,
Speaker 2: Julie Bucky, you were going off in a private conversation
Speaker 2: we had, and I've got a little bit more time
Speaker 2: to kill here with you. So Zach Taylor said that
Speaker 2: someone needs to step up relative to this this hapless
Speaker 2: Bengals defense. Somebody needs to step up. You, as someone
Speaker 2: who's in HR, you observe leadership. You're you know, you're
Speaker 2: in the corner office. You're a C suite kind of person.
Speaker 2: When you hear the head of an organization say someone
Speaker 2: needs to step up? What does that say to you?
Speaker 7: H of course I cringe. Of course I was at
Speaker 7: the game, so especially salty. But can you imagine the CEO.
Speaker 6: Of Croction and Gamble?
Speaker 7: And I know Jack said more than that, So can
Speaker 7: you imagine the top of any organization, bea a government, public, private,
Speaker 7: somebody needs to step up here? It's like, well what
Speaker 7: happened to the buck stop here? You know? And I
Speaker 7: know that the defense get together and have their own
Speaker 7: meeting and all of that, but the coach, the people
Speaker 7: at the top set the tone. People are looking for
Speaker 7: someone to follow, either in either in tone the tone
Speaker 7: make set, or the attitude that they support and bring
Speaker 7: to the party. And you have as a leader, nobody
Speaker 7: wants to see you stand up in front of a
Speaker 7: group and go anyone, anyone, anyone, you know. I mean,
Speaker 7: It's just that's just what it felt like to me,
Speaker 7: and it just it just made me cringe. So I
Speaker 7: think I was resenting to you about that.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you're entirely miss accurate. They're and
Speaker 2: inaccurate there, I guess I should say, is it somebody
Speaker 2: needs a step up. But it isn't that then indicative
Speaker 2: of his ability as a scout slash head coach. Duke
Speaker 2: Tobin as the is the essential of the guy who
Speaker 2: gets the players. I mean, if you don't, if you
Speaker 2: don't wind up recruiting in business or in football or
Speaker 2: sports for that matter, people who not everyone's going to
Speaker 2: be a you know, run through the wall leader. You
Speaker 2: can't have a team full of those. But that's a
Speaker 2: defense that tells me that's a team that doesn't have
Speaker 2: any leadership.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it does make me wonder a certain point. That
Speaker 7: was all. You know, I don't even pretend to know
Speaker 7: one percent of what there is to know about football,
Speaker 7: so I'm always just really careful. That's like the feeling
Speaker 7: in the stadium with something else on Sunday. It was
Speaker 7: very much like everybody was stunned into silence.
Speaker 1: Then the boots.
Speaker 7: Started, but everyone's like, I mean, people look at each
Speaker 7: other like what just happened? It was really it was
Speaker 7: really a really different experience being there, and that doesn't
Speaker 7: happen with tight, well coordinated teams in at Procter and
Speaker 7: Gamble or at Kroger or you know, in the city
Speaker 7: of Loveland or wherever you know. I mean, it's just
Speaker 7: people are people are in all those roles, and there
Speaker 7: are certain commonalities that all humans have with each other.
Speaker 7: We want to be led, we want to be inspired,
Speaker 7: and it falls to it falls to the people at
Speaker 7: the top to set that tone. And if you can't,
Speaker 7: you've got to look at it, bring somebody in who can.
Speaker 7: It's that it's that little extra oomp that you get
Speaker 7: by having an inspiring leader.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that at this point. If Zach
Speaker 2: Taylor can do anything else. It's the fact that well,
Speaker 2: they don't draft very well and don'tus address problems as
Speaker 2: they come up. And there's a whole host of other problem.
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Speaker 2: on the job this morning with the news on the
Speaker 2: way in four minutes and when a return. This uh
Speaker 2: Zoar Mamdani is looks like he is going to be
Speaker 2: the next mayor of the City of New York. Normally
Speaker 2: don't care too much about what happens in New York City.
Speaker 2: I care about Ohio. I came to bout Kentucky, care
Speaker 2: about Indiana. So you look at you New York go
Speaker 2: New York LA. I you know, not a big cable
Speaker 2: news guy, don't really care all that much what's going
Speaker 2: on there. But I think you'd miss something if you
Speaker 2: didn't see that. The attitude that's allowing that to happen, granted,
Speaker 2: very progressive, very liberal New York City, but and about
Speaker 2: socialists with some of the policies he's proposing here makes
Speaker 2: one shake their head. And how did we get to
Speaker 2: this point? Is the question that someone like that can
Speaker 2: actually win office in the larger, most impactful city in
Speaker 2: the United States. We'll get to that next on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WW Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: Mendami. That's the name you need to know, because in
Speaker 2: the next few days as we get to the election,
Speaker 2: he's probably going to be the next mayor of the
Speaker 2: City of New York. A socialist to be the mayor
Speaker 2: of the City of New York. That is frightening for
Speaker 2: a lot of people, warming for many others as well,
Speaker 2: But it does throw things in a turmoil. Shows you
Speaker 2: how the way politics is going for that matter. Also,
Speaker 2: you know, we're in Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky. Now, if
Speaker 2: you watch cable news, you probably get a steady die
Speaker 2: of the fear of this guy. But most people I
Speaker 2: live in Ohio, I'm in the middle of I don't
Speaker 2: care who cares New York City. If he continues the
Speaker 2: path he's going to, and let's say he winds up
Speaker 2: becoming the next mayor of New York City, he's going
Speaker 2: to help reshape the narrative and the politics and the
Speaker 2: leadership nationally if that occurs. The why and the how.
Speaker 2: Ken Girardan is with Manhattan Institute, writes about this in
Speaker 2: Socialism on the Husband and I love the title, Ken,
Speaker 2: how are you?
Speaker 4: Cory could be with you?
Speaker 2: You're there there, You're in the heart of the thing.
Speaker 2: So you know more about this guy than most of
Speaker 2: us do. But is that fairly accurate, Like there's an
Speaker 2: underbelly here that this guy and we see socialism pop
Speaker 2: up from time to time, but this guy could be
Speaker 2: the next mayor of New York City. That's gonna change.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be kind of like a maybe a mini
Speaker 2: blue wave going across the country.
Speaker 4: I'd actually pushed back a little bit and I'd say
Speaker 4: he's kind of a lagging indicator. Okay, that is him
Speaker 4: winning the primary. That was a kind of a wake
Speaker 4: up call to folks to say, let's let's zoom out
Speaker 4: and look and just see where socialist proposals have already
Speaker 4: taken route, some of them. Donnie had spent five years
Speaker 4: in the state of Emily in Albany, and so that
Speaker 4: was my first stop. And I looked there and I
Speaker 4: reviewed there are a number of socialist proposals, some of
Speaker 4: which have pretty widespread political support, but other big ones
Speaker 4: also predate him as an assemblement. And I thought this
Speaker 4: was a good opportunity to take a look at the full,
Speaker 4: the full buffet of stuff that people in the socialist
Speaker 4: persuasion want sure, And I bring that up.
Speaker 2: As I said, Okay, you could see because among younger
Speaker 2: people Younger people love socialists. You go to a college campus,
Speaker 2: you know you've got Socialism is the greatest thaying. We
Speaker 2: just got to do the right time. Socialism is a
Speaker 2: failed experiment, but we just we haven't fully done socialism yet.
Speaker 2: And that's always the excuse, right, is so why socialism fails.
Speaker 2: And of course there's a host of other reasons. There's
Speaker 2: you know, central planning can't allocate resources effectively, and you
Speaker 2: get rid of competition and that drives incentivization a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of things. And we can get into why socialism
Speaker 2: is bad as a as a political philosophy. But young
Speaker 2: people see because yeah, I look at young people to America.
Speaker 2: It's New York City or Cincinnati, and hey, they're worried
Speaker 2: about jobs, they're about housing, they worried about health care.
Speaker 2: Healthcare is a mass. Both Republicans Democrats created this problem,
Speaker 2: and no one has a solution to fixing it other
Speaker 2: than more subsidies that we continue to borrow money to
Speaker 2: give subsceeded to people to make it afford It's not affordable.
Speaker 2: We're just taking money from one pile and moving it
Speaker 2: somewhere else. You worry about you know, people haven't worked
Speaker 2: two or three or more jobs just to keep their
Speaker 2: nose above water, and a lot of people can't do that.
Speaker 2: Housing is getting unrealistically unexpensive, So there's like a grossola
Speaker 2: of young people feel like they're painted in a corner
Speaker 2: right now, and that is always a catalyst or something
Speaker 2: like this coming along.
Speaker 4: Well, let's remember everybody grows up in not just socialism,
Speaker 4: but actually communism to a certain extent. That's where your
Speaker 4: family is, like I have I have communism at home
Speaker 4: with my children, where there's communal responsibility, community, communal ownership,
Speaker 4: and that's great within the family unit. When you start
Speaker 4: trying to build an entire society around it, that's where
Speaker 4: things historically have always fallen apart and struggled. That's where
Speaker 4: you inevitably have markets because you always have mismatching needs
Speaker 4: and wants between family units. And that's something where the
Speaker 4: socialists don't appreciate that different. It's between what goes on
Speaker 4: in the family and what goes on between people with
Speaker 4: different situations, resources, skills, and and neat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's socialism, is uh. And then the next phase
Speaker 2: after communist socialism. You know a lot of people go
Speaker 2: to school and they learn about socialism and then it
Speaker 2: just becomes the you know, one campus agitator talking about
Speaker 2: we just haven't had perfect socialism, the right socialism yet.
Speaker 2: But you know the basis of socialism just in general,
Speaker 2: let alone. The version of what democratic socialism is is
Speaker 2: it's government ownership and control. It's a single payer system,
Speaker 2: there's no private competition, and you need all that to
Speaker 2: thrive into democracy.
Speaker 1: You need that.
Speaker 2: And you know, certainly we have problems in America, there's
Speaker 2: no denying that. But you know, you want to be
Speaker 2: like I don't know, you want to be like like
Speaker 2: the former Soviet Union. Do you want to be like
Speaker 2: you know, China during during the seventies, Do you want
Speaker 2: to be Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea? The answer is hell, no.
Speaker 4: You're you're, you're you're very politely going through the history
Speaker 4: of instances where major, major attempts at socialism have been tried,
Speaker 4: and one thing that's really unappreciated all that is the
Speaker 4: disappearance of price signals. When you start having the government
Speaker 4: promise that they're going to provide everything. I think back
Speaker 4: to an example from about twenty years ago when the
Speaker 4: Cuban government had to provide rice cookers for citizens, and
Speaker 4: there was this it was this big to do. Wow,
Speaker 4: isn't it so magnanimous? The Cuban government is providing all
Speaker 4: citizens with rice cookers. And the reason this happened was
Speaker 4: because the shortage of rice cookers in Cuba had really
Speaker 4: fanned the flames of the black market that the government
Speaker 4: had created for everything else because people weren't because there
Speaker 4: were so many shortages that people were having to go
Speaker 4: and trade on their own, and you had this sort
Speaker 4: of blossoming private, private, underground economy. And that's something that
Speaker 4: socials don't appreciate that prices send information. Prices tell us
Speaker 4: where things are needed, where things are wanted, right, And
Speaker 4: that's why you see in those you know, in those
Speaker 4: societies that they inevitably really do lean into socialism, they
Speaker 4: inevitably run into trouble.
Speaker 2: Soviet Union comes to mind, chronic shortage of consumer goods
Speaker 2: and we saw the pictures I'm lined up for toilet
Speaker 2: paper to be handed out right. You've got abundant natural
Speaker 2: resources in the Soviet Union, and yet that happened, and
Speaker 2: you know, we saw the economic collapse, and then they
Speaker 2: kind of want to go back to that because you
Speaker 2: have a generation or two that didn't see how bad
Speaker 2: it was. It's kind of like here with vaccines, right,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, what the vaccine's got to be
Speaker 2: worse than whooping cough. Well, if you see what wooping
Speaker 2: cough looks like, you would rather take the vaccine they
Speaker 2: have wooping cough. It's the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unfortunate that these are the sorts of lessons
Speaker 4: that every generation seems inevitably to have to relearn. And
Speaker 4: it's now been thirty four years since the fall of communism,
Speaker 4: and there are people alive in their thirties who have
Speaker 4: never who weren't alive for the USSR, And we have
Speaker 4: to be constantly reminding people about these about these lessons
Speaker 4: where they still exist in the world. We can't rely
Speaker 4: too much talk about what went on behind the Iron Curtain,
Speaker 4: and we have to talk more about where these shortfalls
Speaker 4: are in existing countries, including by the way, sometimes own,
Speaker 4: and talk about where these experiments with socialism just haven't
Speaker 4: panned out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is a lesson. But of course the
Speaker 2: cry has always been yeah, but it's different now, is
Speaker 2: it really all that different? Because it's an economic next
Speaker 2: time will be different. Yeah, next time its dead. Well,
Speaker 2: they haven't gotten it right yet. I mean, look at
Speaker 2: some of these other countries like Sweden, it's that's more
Speaker 2: democratic socialism and okay, so explain to me how things
Speaker 2: are so perfect in.
Speaker 4: A world like that and it's not even I mean,
Speaker 4: let's be clear, there's a very big difference between having
Speaker 4: a very robust welfare state funded with lots of taxes
Speaker 4: and still allowing market competition to happen. What probably what
Speaker 4: we should be more concerned abot is where the government
Speaker 4: wants to step in and be the only provider of
Speaker 4: certain things, where you stop having competition, where you staff
Speaker 4: having capital allocation. That's where you also run into really
Speaker 4: big problems with cronyism when you start to put government
Speaker 4: in charge of things like like the electric grid or
Speaker 4: the healthcare system, and you you move away from what
Speaker 4: is an imperfect but at least responsive system. And that's
Speaker 4: one of the that's one of the importances of preserving
Speaker 4: those market systems because in a in a poor performing
Speaker 4: part of the market, you can always go somewhere else.
Speaker 4: You lose that when you have the state takeover stuff
Speaker 4: and even and like I said, in Scandinavia, they have
Speaker 4: a lot of social wealth spending, but they don't necessarily
Speaker 4: have assiciating state ownership of things. There's a there's a
Speaker 4: very big difference there, and I think people try to
Speaker 4: almost impolitely sneak Scandinavia through as some example of this,
Speaker 4: you know, Democratic socialist nirvana.
Speaker 2: But it's not. And that's the thing. Most people don't
Speaker 2: research it or find that out themselves. Can Gerardan is
Speaker 2: here Manhattan Institute Socialism and the husband the Hudson the
Speaker 2: husband Socialism on the husband back to your family situation. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm Donnie's the guy in New York City, the Democratic
Speaker 2: Socialists who just won the Merrill primary there, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people are talking to this in the political scene.
Speaker 2: And you know, if he winds up winning the mayoralship
Speaker 2: of New York City, which is possible, will you see
Speaker 2: like a mini blue wave. I think that'd be like
Speaker 2: a ripple effect because other people look at this and go, wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: clearly the people are upset. Now that's New York City.
Speaker 2: The politics and demands in New York City much different
Speaker 2: than here in Ohio, certainly one hundred percent. But these
Speaker 2: are the things, these are the mile posts that come
Speaker 2: along and people go, wow, Okay, it's a growing movement.
Speaker 2: It has to start somewhere, and why not in New
Speaker 2: York City, And largely because there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: who are affected by this economy, this effect that I
Speaker 2: should say, with jobs and housing and healthcare. You know,
Speaker 2: you bring up how socialism, but we have a lot
Speaker 2: of socialism baked into policies in America, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: you mentioned healthcare. Is there anything more socialistic than our
Speaker 2: health care system or schools or whatever it might be. Now, granted,
Speaker 2: we're trying to be able to take your money, make
Speaker 2: it portable and have private schools and vouchers and things
Speaker 2: like that with a lot of resistance, but we've got
Speaker 2: a lot of socialism banked into the American system.
Speaker 4: Now you have instances where we were the most efficient
Speaker 4: system right now is to have state ownership for things,
Speaker 4: and we should be constantly looking critically at that and
Speaker 4: looking for alternatives. Doesn't mean you should throw it out,
Speaker 4: but we should always be asking the question is this
Speaker 4: the most efficient, responsive way to do stuff? Because we
Speaker 4: often find it isn't. Look at what's happened with the
Speaker 4: postal service over the past fifty to sixty seventy years
Speaker 4: where you've had private actors come and you know, they
Speaker 4: have been given the space to compete, and in a
Speaker 4: lot of cases they're eating the postal services lunch because
Speaker 4: competition was you know, competition was allowed there. Now we're
Speaker 4: not going to have rival you know snow. You know,
Speaker 4: we're not going to have rival roads or a private
Speaker 4: roads to our houses anytime soon. But in places like
Speaker 4: the healthcare in the education space, we routinely find that
Speaker 4: competition not only leads to innovation, but also leads to
Speaker 4: better outcomes for folks. In New York, there are lots
Speaker 4: of what are called charter schools, which are publicly funded,
Speaker 4: privately run schools that parents can pick if they don't
Speaker 4: like how their neighborhood school is performing. And there are
Speaker 4: parts of New York City where a third of the
Speaker 4: public school kids are now in charter schools because they've
Speaker 4: been given that alternative, that competition. It's good, it's healthy,
Speaker 4: and we should constantly be looking for opportunities to create
Speaker 4: more competition, even for instances that we right now call
Speaker 4: the government.
Speaker 2: It's hard to believe we're like what sixty seventy years past,
Speaker 2: Brown versus Board of education. But that's exactly what this is.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, mister Brown back in the day, said,
Speaker 2: why do I have to send my kid, my weapons
Speaker 2: to be black to a school on the other side
Speaker 2: of town simply because of her skin color? Why can't
Speaker 2: you go to the one right down the street from us?
Speaker 2: Same things happening today too. It's like, well, wait, why
Speaker 2: do I have to send my kid across town to
Speaker 2: a school that's performing when a underperforming school, why don't
Speaker 2: we just fix the school that's broken that steps away
Speaker 2: from my house. Same type of argument, and here we
Speaker 2: go again, and a limit of time we have because
Speaker 2: I don't know how many people are found this man
Speaker 2: Danny thing. But we really haven't discussed his hit list,
Speaker 2: his wants and these and what he wants to do
Speaker 2: New York City, why he won the mayor all primary.
Speaker 2: What are some of the promise What are some things
Speaker 2: that jumped off the page at you when it comes
Speaker 2: to the reforms they want to do with a democratic,
Speaker 2: socialist or socialist system in New York City.
Speaker 4: Three major parts of some of them on Donnie's platform
Speaker 4: were making buses free with the New York City providing
Speaker 4: free universal childcare, and then also freezing the rent for
Speaker 4: about half the apartment in New York City, those that
Speaker 4: are subject to New York City rent regulations.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so I'm a landlord, I own property, So
Speaker 2: you're telling me I have a cap on how much
Speaker 2: I can charge. What do you think I'm gonna do?
Speaker 4: Ken, I would not be shocked if you were to
Speaker 4: immediately sell your property if that were the case.
Speaker 2: Sell to the stead or it's like, okay, fine, I'll
Speaker 2: keep it. But you know your microwave breaks. You think
Speaker 2: I'm going to replace that anytime soon? The roof is laking,
Speaker 2: a pipe is broken, your refrigerator isn't working. Where's my
Speaker 2: incentive to fix that if I can't recoup my losses.
Speaker 4: This is something again that predates Mamdani. This goes back
Speaker 4: to the twenty nineteen rent laws in New York, which
Speaker 4: were quite possibly the most extreme rent regulation in the country.
Speaker 4: But what they've resulted in is something called warehousing, where
Speaker 4: you have these apartment buildings where a tenant moved out
Speaker 4: and the landlord just doesn't want to spend ninety or
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand dollars rehabilitating this apartment. That's often been
Speaker 4: occupied for forty plus years, and they don't want to
Speaker 4: do the upgrades. They don't they don't want to spend
Speaker 4: the money on major mitigation. So instead this apartment gets warehoused,
Speaker 4: which means nobody gets to rent it. It contributes to
Speaker 4: the housing shortage in New York City. It stresses the
Speaker 4: finances of those buildings and limits the apartment owner's ability
Speaker 4: to invest others that would benefit the other tenants. And
Speaker 4: it is something that is there for which there Eventually
Speaker 4: there will be a reckoning in New York as more
Speaker 4: apartments get warehoused, as more apartment buildings get pushed into
Speaker 4: financial distress by this law, and at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, the biggest losers are going to be the
Speaker 4: tenants in.
Speaker 2: New York City. It looks like it did in the seventies,
Speaker 2: where you have burnt out buildings and poverty on top
Speaker 2: of poverty, and it becomes a dystopian nightmare.
Speaker 4: I very much hope that we don't ever ever revisit
Speaker 4: that situation that we saw, particular the Bronx comes to
Speaker 4: mind in the nineteen seventies. I really hope we don't
Speaker 4: get there, but it is always possible for state policy
Speaker 4: to result in very big problems, especially at the local.
Speaker 2: Level, largely because history always repeats itself. Because we have
Speaker 2: short memories, we don't learn, We don't look at the
Speaker 2: past and go, wow, we got to keep doing We go, well,
Speaker 2: why are we doing that? Why are we doing it? No,
Speaker 2: it's different now, it's really not really that different. The model.
Speaker 2: The model still works, and the of socialism historically speaking,
Speaker 2: even though theoretically, you know, theory is one thing you applied,
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. You know, central planning can't allocate resources
Speaker 2: unless you as you mentioned, you know, there's got to
Speaker 2: be signals from the from the market on what a
Speaker 2: price on something should be. If not, you're gonna have
Speaker 2: shortages and surpluses and misallocate. You're gonna have a million
Speaker 2: toilet seats and no toilet papers, which are gonna wind
Speaker 2: up having. And there's no incentive for companies to make stuff.
Speaker 2: We say again back to the Soviet Union, you have
Speaker 2: one one type of car is all you have? Well,
Speaker 2: good the hot did that work out for those vehicles,
Speaker 2: whether it's in Cuba or whether it's the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: And Venezuela is another great example. Oil rich high You
Speaker 2: know you can talk about not having resource, but Venezuela
Speaker 2: is an oil is an oil rich nation. And you
Speaker 2: look at what happened there because they nationalize the industries.
Speaker 2: Productivity went down. You had seven plus million people fleeing
Speaker 2: in their GDP collapsed. That's why Venezuela is in the
Speaker 2: state that's in right, and that's why we're blown up
Speaker 2: ships off their coast because you know, exporting drugs as
Speaker 2: a you know, front for China is the only opportunity
Speaker 2: that they have and it's an all origination. It's it's
Speaker 2: a shame, it really is.
Speaker 4: Well, next time will be different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, because now we have the
Speaker 2: Internet and that's the game change. We have AI. They
Speaker 2: didn't have the they didn't have the AI back in
Speaker 2: the nineties. It's gonna be different this time around.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: The only thing to change was we had yet people
Speaker 2: come of age, be born and not seeing the abject
Speaker 2: poverty and problems with these models and then they just
Speaker 2: go this seems like a sexy thing because they're buying
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're buying something somebody else almos like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't have to work and the state supplies everything.
Speaker 2: Sign me up? Who doesn't want that. It's like crawling
Speaker 2: back in the womb. You don't have to be responsible, accountable.
Speaker 2: You don't have to hustle or do anything. But if
Speaker 2: if you do, and if you want to, we don't
Speaker 2: have room for you. There's no incentive to do that. Again,
Speaker 2: it's a kinjerard. And you can read about this at
Speaker 2: Manhattan Institute dot dot com or is it dot org?
Speaker 4: I apologize it's Manhattan dot Institute.
Speaker 2: Manhattan dot Institute. There you go. So I really it
Speaker 2: could be the best, the good best, or socialism on
Speaker 2: the husband. Anyway, thanks again, I appreciate it can be well,
Speaker 2: thanks for you. Yeah, this guy went from come on,
Speaker 2: it's another joke and other socialist. Actually it looks like
Speaker 2: he's gonna wind up winning, uh, the Mayor's office city
Speaker 2: of New York. And that's gonna be really interesting considering
Speaker 2: this anti cop and pretty anti capitalism kind of stance
Speaker 2: on a lot of stuff AOC incorporated over there. We'll
Speaker 2: see how it goes. Probably not well. Probably rent control
Speaker 2: is another one. I don't see how that works out anyway.
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Speaker 1: Might get a little spicy today. I'm curious, yes.
Speaker 2: To know someone who's eternally optimistic, not ridiculous like SEG
Speaker 2: where they could be oh to twelve.
Speaker 1: Oh, We're never on SEG.
Speaker 2: Don't think you're on that level of fandom slash ass kissing,
Speaker 2: slash delusion. Where are your craziness? Where are you with
Speaker 2: this football team right now?
Speaker 1: The game over the weekend sent me over the edge.
Speaker 2: Over the edge. You were there, weren't you?
Speaker 1: I was there.
Speaker 5: I was with my husband, my dad, my uncle. I
Speaker 5: think among the four of us there were over one
Speaker 5: hundred f bombs dropped. Hi, you going to lose to
Speaker 5: the seven Jets. If anyone's going to hand them thirty
Speaker 5: nine points, it might as well be the Bengals defense.
Speaker 2: They put up five hundred plus yards. The last time
Speaker 2: they did that was like fifteen years ago when they
Speaker 2: played the Bengals. The last time unheard of.
Speaker 5: God, I guess on Monday they had a defensive player's
Speaker 5: only meeting to.
Speaker 1: Be a fly on the wall and there I don't
Speaker 1: know what they accomplished. What are you going to say,
Speaker 1: we want.
Speaker 2: To step up? Someone needs to be a cup, somebody.
Speaker 1: Needs No, He's right, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Adment of your team is that you don't have any leaders.
Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson, What about that guy? Isn't he one of
Speaker 5: the captains but he's not loud? Didn't you name six
Speaker 5: guys as captain?
Speaker 2: You the guy's going to just start screaming at guys
Speaker 2: in the room. That's what you need. That's a leader.
Speaker 1: When am I going to see Zach Taylor throw a chair?
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 1: I want to see some chair throwing. Come on, get
Speaker 1: pissed off.
Speaker 2: Imagine what Dan Campbell would be doing, right, throw a chair?
Speaker 2: You think Tomlin threw some chairs after you got beat
Speaker 2: by the back.
Speaker 5: Yes, we need the Tomlin attitude here in Cincinnati Sunday.
Speaker 1: Set me over. Now, it's it's Wednesday. It's so mad,
Speaker 1: he said.
Speaker 2: There's the thing. That's how Zach Taylor gets fired. He
Speaker 2: takes a chair and throws it through a window and
Speaker 2: he gets fired for destroying company property because that cost money.
Speaker 1: Exactly, you're losing the jet.
Speaker 2: Buddy broke a windows, get calling not sound a thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Of that window in that chair was sixty nine to
Speaker 1: ninety eight at IKEA.
Speaker 2: Probably we're not going to have this run a tight budget.
Speaker 1: Down here now. That just set them over.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'm still not okay, speaking of money,
Speaker 5: season ticket holders not okay. I came across this article
Speaker 5: yesterday from Cincinnati inchoir, making its rounds all over social media.
Speaker 5: I've got it on my Twitter X page out Sarah
Speaker 5: at least one twenty eight go chime in. The comments
Speaker 5: are so good. At least just read the comments about
Speaker 5: pissed off season ticket members.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: The article is a thank you letter to the Brown
Speaker 5: and Blackburn family for increasing season ticket pricing for twenty
Speaker 5: twenty six. The example in this article, the guy says
Speaker 5: he's paying forty six hundred dollars for nine games now
Speaker 5: next season, going up to six thousand dollars six thousand
Speaker 5: bucks in twenty twenty six. He says, since twenty twenty two,
Speaker 5: tickets have increased by over two hundred percent. Also, season
Speaker 5: ticket members not happy that their thank you gift is
Speaker 5: a sticker?
Speaker 1: What a sticker?
Speaker 2: A sticker?
Speaker 1: A sticker?
Speaker 2: What's a sticker? Say, season ticket holder? That's it the
Speaker 2: QR code for Venmo. You can send him more money exactly.
Speaker 5: And I guess season ticket members are not happy because
Speaker 5: they'll go to these like exclusive season ticket member events
Speaker 5: where they're having to pay extra money for things like
Speaker 5: you got to spend extra money to take a pic
Speaker 5: with who Day or to get this little I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, this extra gift. I don't know. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not a season ticket member.
Speaker 5: My dad used to be, and he dropped them before
Speaker 5: the Joe Burrow era because he was so pissed about
Speaker 5: missing the playoffs and spending extra money and the pricing
Speaker 5: going up and having the license for the seat and
Speaker 5: here we go again.
Speaker 1: So and then here we go.
Speaker 5: It's like a vicious circle. You know, your quarterback is
Speaker 5: constantly sidelined, you can't get a new defense. Pricing just
Speaker 5: keeps going up, and then they're getting hounded by you know,
Speaker 5: the sales, like what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: You're gonna renew? What's going on? Otherwise you're going to
Speaker 1: go on a wait list. If you ever want to
Speaker 1: get them back. But here's the thing. I understand being
Speaker 1: a salesperson with a sports team. I used to do it.
Speaker 1: It's a very tough job. So it's not on them.
Speaker 1: They're just trying to get their numbers and.
Speaker 2: They're getting yelled at.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and it sucks though, because they do have
Speaker 1: to be the person that tells you, hey, the pricing
Speaker 1: is going up.
Speaker 2: Do you want the seats?
Speaker 1: Do you want the seats or not? Otherwise you're going
Speaker 1: to go back on a wait list for years.
Speaker 6: See.
Speaker 2: I think you're looking at it wrong.
Speaker 1: I am you know what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's why you're looking and why. Here's why angry
Speaker 2: fans are okay, and I get it because they're not happy.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be happy about this. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: You need to look at this not as hey, it's
Speaker 2: my team, I'm gonna go to every single game. You
Speaker 2: need to look at this if you have the money
Speaker 2: as investment. So let's say, for example, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you're looking to see, that's a PSL, right, do the
Speaker 2: PSL Personal seat license? In some stadiums they do this
Speaker 2: and they don't like there's I know that my dad
Speaker 2: had to do it right, like like like I don't know,
Speaker 2: four grand a seat or something like that, right right, Okay,
Speaker 2: So I got to lay that out and then look
Speaker 2: at the season tickets and X dollars a season, you know,
Speaker 2: a couple thousand, Okay, So if you go to I
Speaker 2: don't know, half the home games, can you then turn
Speaker 2: around and sell those tickets on the secondary market the
Speaker 2: way stadiums are now, they're not doing box office. There's
Speaker 2: no such thing as a box office. It's all secondary market,
Speaker 2: it's all hub. It's the NFL. The NFL does it whatever, right,
Speaker 2: So you got to look at that and go, all right,
Speaker 2: I put the money out. If I sold tickets to
Speaker 2: these games like the Steelers or Casey or whoever's coming
Speaker 2: to town, can I make up in those three or
Speaker 2: four games? Can I make up the difference and actually
Speaker 2: make money off the season ticket?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 1: Members that do that and they lose money.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's because it's the Bengals.
Speaker 1: They came in negative last year by five thousand bucks.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. So you got to look at that
Speaker 2: as an investment, going, hey, can I make money by
Speaker 2: selling this to whatever team travels? Well?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: Like you do that the red Like, look.
Speaker 1: At the Lions fans. They took over our stadium.
Speaker 2: So you're going to get some of that money back.
Speaker 2: So it offsets that cost of being a fan.
Speaker 1: Well, thing obviously went up when we did get Joe Trout.
Speaker 2: And do you look at it as a fan, go, no,
Speaker 2: I want to go to all the home games. And
Speaker 2: then you're miserable about it. And I'm not saying not
Speaker 2: buy the tickets. But you know it's set up like now,
Speaker 2: it's more of investment going, hey can I get some
Speaker 2: of this money back and make I may lose them
Speaker 2: all money.
Speaker 1: I think most people come back in the negative.
Speaker 2: They're not in to make money. But it off racks
Speaker 2: considerably that investment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because once you do get rid of them, you
Speaker 5: have to go back on a wait list to get them,
Speaker 5: is what the sales rep, I guess is saying.
Speaker 2: And if you're new a fan, quit looking at it
Speaker 2: as a oh I'm a fan, super fan, I need
Speaker 2: to go to every game. No, you need to look
Speaker 2: at as an investment.
Speaker 1: You can be both things.
Speaker 5: You can be a super fan and you can also
Speaker 5: be mad about the rising cost and get rid of
Speaker 5: your season tickets.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: It doesn't go against your fandom.
Speaker 5: I mean, just because I'm going to stay at home
Speaker 5: this Sunday and watch the game on tea doesn't make
Speaker 5: me less of a fan.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Saying this is too expensive.
Speaker 5: I did get on tickpic this morning just to look
Speaker 5: at what it's going to be against the Bears this Sunday.
Speaker 1: It's like two fifty for the end zone fans coming
Speaker 1: down to and are they I guess so it's an
Speaker 1: easy drug like.
Speaker 2: Cubs fans, and they're rabbit about that.
Speaker 5: I mean, the Bears aren't too bad of a team,
Speaker 5: but four and three it's worth a travel. I've got
Speaker 5: a couple of friends that are making the.
Speaker 2: Trips sure enough. Selling your tickets for three hund or
Speaker 2: whatever it is, and you know you offset that cost
Speaker 2: a little bit more. You're right, it's an investment, it is.
Speaker 6: And it is.
Speaker 5: It's very expensive to go to a game. I mean
Speaker 5: you pay for the parking and then you get a
Speaker 5: I mean it's a seven hundred day, seven hundred dollars
Speaker 5: day out.
Speaker 2: It subs charging the season ticket holders though to have
Speaker 2: their picture taket with the mascot is it's insulting and.
Speaker 5: That's what the article on Inquiry is saying, go check
Speaker 5: it out. The guy who's saying yeah, like you know,
Speaker 5: the company the Christmas party, they're you know, they're wanting
Speaker 5: money to take a pic with who Day with the
Speaker 5: Santa and all that, I mean whatever, that makes no sense.
Speaker 2: This is really interesting because there's no one more positive
Speaker 2: outside of seg on this radio station about Cincinnati sports teams.
Speaker 1: But you always try to stay positive.
Speaker 2: But Sunday she's been one hundred right now because you're like, look,
Speaker 2: I go to all the games. You know, I'm taking pictures,
Speaker 2: I got my all stuff, I'm supportive, I'm doing and
Speaker 2: if you lose a release.
Speaker 5: You got real, bros, you've really lozed. And I won't
Speaker 5: be there on Sunday. I have a reason for that.
Speaker 5: I will be out of down.
Speaker 1: But it is getting ridiculously expensive to be there.
Speaker 2: It's always just going to get more expensive every year.
Speaker 5: Yes, and again that's why my dad dropped his stuff too,
Speaker 5: and I don't blame him. So ciccut Brice is going
Speaker 5: up for twenty twenty six. That is something trending on
Speaker 5: social media.
Speaker 2: Good good time to do that when your team sucks,
Speaker 2: and I mean Joe burrowl he's fine. The offense did great,
Speaker 2: the running game was great.
Speaker 1: Offense is not the problem. They put thirty eight points.
Speaker 1: That should be an easy.
Speaker 2: Waiting for Joe Burrow to come. Well, if Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: comes back, somebody said, well, talking about how they should
Speaker 2: go and get Brendon Sorosby and Trent coach him up.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's the dumbest rap every can you play defense?
Speaker 2: If Flacco's fine, He's doing fine.
Speaker 1: Blacco is great. Flacco looked great on Sunday, he looked
Speaker 1: great the week before. He looked great in Lambeau.
Speaker 2: The play calling, then you look at that in that
Speaker 2: final stretths. It's not on Flacco.
Speaker 1: Why are you going up the middle?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Yoshibash couldn't catch a cold at this point.
Speaker 1: I love Yoshi, No you don't. I love him as
Speaker 1: a person.
Speaker 2: I don't care about great dude's Cincinnati. But he's such
Speaker 2: a good guy.
Speaker 5: And that's what that's what people were saying about Zach Taylor.
Speaker 5: A great guy, wonderful family man, super nice. But I
Speaker 5: don't want nice anymore.
Speaker 1: I want wins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want wins. Go ahead, and you know what
Speaker 2: if you want to add to the crime problem. Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: go ahead as long as you win, right.
Speaker 1: So the trade deadline is problem square.
Speaker 2: I don't care, but you're asked me to be there
Speaker 2: on Sunday.
Speaker 5: Trade deadline is Tuesday. I don't know what they're gonna do,
Speaker 5: if anything, What.
Speaker 2: Do you think they're gonna do?
Speaker 5: Nothing?
Speaker 2: Nothing?
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: We've got We're good enough to win. It's just we
Speaker 2: need someone to step up. You drafted guys who don't
Speaker 2: step up. That's the problem.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. What has Shamar Stewart done for
Speaker 1: this team?
Speaker 2: Nothing be done. That's starting to look like a boss.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: He's still young. It's only a few games.
Speaker 1: But I did two and a half tackles in college
Speaker 1: and then nothing. You went down Game.
Speaker 2: Two and then getting coached up. I don't know what
Speaker 2: it is, but it ain't good.
Speaker 1: This defense is really it's horrible, not good.
Speaker 5: Hor Speaking of bad news for the defense, Trey Hendrickson
Speaker 5: is day to day back with that hip injury. That's
Speaker 5: definitely we saw him go out before halftime.
Speaker 2: Day to day.
Speaker 1: It's three Hendrickson a waste of money.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you don't know. One guy get hurt.
Speaker 2: That's not fair.
Speaker 5: I understand that, but can we say that he's injury prone? Well,
Speaker 5: it's a lot of money for that guy, though we
Speaker 5: really haven't seen much out of And guess what when
Speaker 5: he was on the sidelines during that Steelers game, they
Speaker 5: still managed to win.
Speaker 2: You got me slit my wrist? You got any good news?
Speaker 2: I love crapping on the Bengals a year.
Speaker 1: Hey night, we're moving on.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 5: I watched it the entire time. Dank is king with
Speaker 5: twelve minutes left to go, I was so excited. Hopefully
Speaker 5: they can go and get it done this Sunday and Columbus.
Speaker 5: I have all the faith in the world in this team.
Speaker 5: Please bring us ho much.
Speaker 2: They were all over them and they should have six
Speaker 2: goals and they just couldn't find And finally.
Speaker 1: They dominated that game over Columbus really did. It was great.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 2: Eventually they go in but on Columbus that fought pretty well.
Speaker 1: How many games away until the final? I guess five?
Speaker 1: They have to get five like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully you go to Columbus on what Sunday night,
Speaker 2: Sunday night and beat them there and then you don't
Speaker 2: have to play that third. You don't want to go
Speaker 2: to a third game exactly. I don't want to shoot
Speaker 2: from the longest time. I hate the idea of going
Speaker 2: to a shootout.
Speaker 5: But I think that they have to do that during
Speaker 5: regular season games. That's something that you got to do.
Speaker 2: But don't they do that in the playoffs too? Don't
Speaker 2: they go to a Yeah, they go to like a kid,
Speaker 2: they go.
Speaker 1: Directly to that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's terrible.
Speaker 1: I just don't like the ending in a tie thing,
Speaker 1: especially in the.
Speaker 2: Playoffs, right, you can't do that, you know, It's like
Speaker 2: hockey sudden death overtime is great speaking of my falls
Speaker 2: over dead because.
Speaker 1: I know we don't have a whole lot of time left.
Speaker 1: We're trying to keep it positive.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 5: Our Cincinnati Cyclones are back tomorrow night, and it's it's
Speaker 5: a very special night.
Speaker 1: Why because I'm going to be the sirens and I'll
Speaker 1: have a very special guest with me day.
Speaker 2: A siren sound like can you imitate the siren in
Speaker 2: exactly saying that's what she sounds like to her husband
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: Too.
Speaker 2: That's the best part. I don't know all I hear.
Speaker 5: I told you I'm spicy today, Okay, I'm I gotta
Speaker 5: get over.
Speaker 2: Who's a special guest the sirens? Hander?
Speaker 5: You have to be there to find out. Trey Hendrickson, No,
Speaker 5: his hip bothers him. Sure, we don't need him to
Speaker 5: pull a hip while he's moving the siren.
Speaker 1: And it won't be Joe Flacco because he's day to
Speaker 1: day with a shoulder injury.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you can't even get past it.
Speaker 5: But less than one hundred and fifty days until opening day,
Speaker 5: all right? Oh, and they found out who did the
Speaker 5: Marty statue vandalism. Yeah, a thirteen year old child. I
Speaker 5: love a thirteen year old boy. At three o'clock in
Speaker 5: the afternoon.
Speaker 2: On Saturday, engine boded my CPD sources said they found
Speaker 2: a little hunkle other paints.
Speaker 1: What do you do with the thirteen year old kid?
Speaker 1: He doesn't go to jail.
Speaker 2: He did it, and like he tried to fix it.
Speaker 4: He did.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh crap, that mic just came off the stand.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that, and then he ran off. I
Speaker 2: didn't see the whole video. Did he intentionally try to
Speaker 2: bend the mic or was he trying to It's.
Speaker 1: Kind of hard to tell. The footage so grainy. What
Speaker 1: did Marty say that Mic is about as strong as
Speaker 1: the Bengals defense.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you should.
Speaker 1: A lot more bothered Trump and had the National Garden.
Speaker 1: My god, I thought so too.
Speaker 2: Will you start to facing my likeness?
Speaker 1: No, that's when we got a real get them damn.
Speaker 2: Soldiers, Downtell. I don't know what the hell they're doing
Speaker 2: down here.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the swat out. They said they're gonna be
Speaker 1: out from two to ten sniper.
Speaker 5: Where was the swat Snipers around the Marty's lasher? Just
Speaker 5: now we're going to have security around this thing that's
Speaker 5: glued to the wall.
Speaker 2: You are clear to take the headshot? Clear? Did you
Speaker 2: do what you want to? Found and you can do
Speaker 2: what you want to crime running rampant, but don't you
Speaker 2: deface the Hall of Famers.
Speaker 1: Don't disrespect my guy.
Speaker 2: Don't do it. That bronze is etched in bronze. Sarah,
Speaker 2: release the Snart report this morning. Any very dismal, depressing.
Speaker 1: Please get it done this weekend.
Speaker 5: Please go get the win against the Bears, because then
Speaker 5: they go to the by and then the schedule doesn't
Speaker 5: get any easier.
Speaker 1: It doesn't get any easy.
Speaker 2: I'm loose to the Jets. I don't get it. I
Speaker 2: don't know what to expect Sunday. I really don't, but
Speaker 2: I'll watch.
Speaker 5: That's what I have no prediction. To ask me about
Speaker 5: a score because I have no idea. I could have
Speaker 5: never predicted thirty nine to thirty eight would be the
Speaker 5: final against the Jets and seven Jets now the one
Speaker 5: and seven.
Speaker 2: One and seven, congratulations. Cincinnati is that team.
Speaker 5: If anyone's going to get those stats up for other teams,
Speaker 5: it's definitely going to be our defense.
Speaker 2: They always optimistic. Sarah, lease that siren go again.
Speaker 5: Come to the Cyclones game seven thirty puck job tomorrow.
Speaker 5: You will hear the siren for yourself and see my
Speaker 5: special guest.
Speaker 2: And Okay, the scary part about Thishau, I wonder do
Speaker 2: people with with what's going on downtown when when people
Speaker 2: hear that siren, do they just do they hide under
Speaker 2: the seat, think that just twitch.
Speaker 5: A little bit, a little bit like promise you it's
Speaker 5: a very pleasant. But the police definitely not.
Speaker 2: Or cat and heat. I don't know what's going on
Speaker 2: over here.
Speaker 1: Honestly, that was not a bad impression.
Speaker 2: There's cats lining up at the door right now. They
Speaker 2: want to make you.
Speaker 5: I just looked, Sure, I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 5: She that's just really lingering. I'm here now with a soup.
Speaker 5: I need soup taken.
Speaker 1: More calls that I By the way, those calls are entertaining.
Speaker 2: That's that that right there, Spicy back tomorrow. K Christio
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