1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Is the Jesse Kelly Show. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show on a spectacular Tuesday. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: As we cruise through this week, and I'm gonna level 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: with you here, i still have to on the show. 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to address finally the Marjorie Taylor Green thing. 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: I have to talk about the administrative state and what 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: that idiot KBJ said in the Supreme Court about the 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: administrative state and what they're working on there. 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: I have so much. 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: Stuff I still want to get to, but I don't 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: know if I'm going to get there for a while. 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: In fact, let me go and spoil it. I know 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: I'm not going to get there for the next hour. 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: Maybe you are new to the Jesse Kelly Show, let 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: me go ahead and give it to you. I'm a 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: history freak. I am not a historian. I'm a stupid, 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: uneducated Barbarian. I was a marine and a construction worker. 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: I went to community college. I just love history. I 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: have since I was a child. I love history. I 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: can't get enough of it. And from time to time 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: on this show, I will basically stop all commentary, food, politics, life, 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 2: and I will just tell a history story of some kind. 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: I would say every month every two months. 24 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: I do this. 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's an hour, sometimes it's three hours. 26 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: I try to not take up the whole show with that. 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: For people who hate it, Well, we've kind of fallen 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: into me, Chris Corey, we've kind of fallen into this. 29 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: Hour two. We will do an hour and then we'll 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: go back to it. So here's the spoiler alert. The 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: next hour is going to be history. It is going 32 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: to be very applicable to America today, to communist insurgencies, 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: world affairs, military affairs. There's a lot we can apply. 34 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to stop after an hour. We'll go back 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: to the news. Tomorrow. Hour two we're picking it up again, 36 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: and we'll keep doing it every day until I'm done 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: with it. Okay, But there is a conflict that is 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: relatively recent, I guess called the Rhodesian Bush War. But 39 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: it is a conflict. As I talk to people, some 40 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: some know a lot about there seems to be no 41 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: in between. There are people who know a lot about it, 42 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: and there are people who know nothing about it. Almost 43 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: nobody seems. 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: To know ah a little bit about it. 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 2: Let me give you the reason why, in my opinion, 46 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: having spent quite a while reading looking this up. It's 47 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: been weeks I've been digging into this. It takes place 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: in Africa, so it's clear across the globe. 49 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't. 50 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: Now America was involved, and we'll get to that, but 51 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: it wasn't really an American thing. So Americans are not 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: going to pay as much attention African wars in general, 53 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: wars and famines and things like that are so common 54 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: to us as we look at the news that one 55 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily stand out over the others, so we don't 56 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: look into that. It's just kind of one of those 57 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: things that's gone by most people. Another reason it goes 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: by most Americans is your teachers in your government schools, 59 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: if that's what you went to, and in your universities, 60 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,279 Speaker 2: if that's what you went to, most likely were communists 61 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: or communists adjacent. And don't get me wrong, everybody at 62 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: some point in time in this story doesn't necessarily look great, 63 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: but there was a lot of communist involvement here. In fact, 64 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: it was the communists who destroyed Rhodesia, And therefore your 65 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: fifth grade social studies teacher probably doesn't want to bring 66 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: it up for the same reason they'll tell you two 67 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: they're blue in the face about Hitler, but they don't 68 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: want to really tell you about Mao and Stalin and 69 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: all those things because it makes communism look bad, all right, 70 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: So the people who don't know about it, those are 71 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: kind of the reasons people don't know about it. Now, 72 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: why the other extreme? And we got a bunch of 73 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: emails from people who are clearly Rhodesian bush war freaks. 74 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: Why the other extreme? It is so fascinating, it's so fascinating. 75 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: And because it's so fascinating in so many different ways, 76 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: you can be obsessed with it. What kind of ways. 77 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: Maybe you're a dude or even a chick who's into 78 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: military stuff. We're going to be talking about one of 79 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: the finest militaries, in my opinion, that has ever walked 80 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: the planet. Almost a spartan like society for reasons, I'll explain. Oh, 81 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: so maybe you're into tribal warfare, that. 82 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Kind of stuff. 83 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: I love that stuff too, as you know American Indians, 84 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: things like that. It's got all kinds of that. So 85 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: maybe military stuff is yours. Maybe political drama is your thing. 86 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: Maybe different forms of government are your thing. Maybe diplomacy itself. 87 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: This nation leaning on that nation, but they lean on 88 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: that nation. Whatever you happen to be into, it's in 89 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: this and you can just wade into this story and 90 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: not get near enough. I'm gonna break this down and 91 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: it's gonna take me a while. And I promise you, 92 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: promise you, if you are interested in what I'm talking 93 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: about now, if you go start picking up books, you 94 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: will learn so much more than I'm about to tell you. 95 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: You'll learn new stuff. It's amazing, all right. Now, Remember 96 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: when we did the Crappiest Country in the World, Crappiest 97 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: Country in the World tournament. How about we have Chris 98 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: sixteen countries, sixteen countries in the Crappiest Country in the 99 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: World tournament. One of those countries, maybe you remember, was 100 00:05:54,200 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: a country named Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe. Huh, it's pretty rough. What 101 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: was wrong with Zimbabwe? Well, there's the whole fifty percent 102 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: unemployment thing. There's the whole you broke your arm, you 103 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: show up at the hospital and they don't have any 104 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: doctors thing. There's the no medicine, cabinets are empty, no 105 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: water in some places. It's so bad in Zimbabwe that people, 106 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: when they have the means to do so, regularly flee. 107 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: Now a truly truly terrible place. But that is interesting, 108 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: you see, because if you were to rewind to not again, 109 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: not ancient history, we'll call it nineteen sixty, Zimbabwe is 110 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: the wealthiest country in all of Africa. You know how 111 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: big Africa is, how many countries there are. It is 112 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: not just wealthy as in there's a couple rich guys. 113 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: Families are on paved roads, air conditioning, people drive jaguarres 114 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: up the road, wonderful modern schools, hospitals, universities. If I 115 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: were to put a blindfold on you right now and 116 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: rewind to the year nineteen sixty and put you in 117 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: any American city, you could look around and see what 118 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: life is like in a modern country. And then I 119 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: would have blindfold you again and teleport you over to 120 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: It was in Zimbabwe then, but to Zimbabwe of nineteen sixty. 121 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: You would not be able to tell the difference until 122 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: the people started to speak and you heard the accent. 123 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: So it was so wonderful in nineteen sixty. Why do 124 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 2: people flee now, starve to death? 125 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: Now? 126 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: Why aren't their doctors? Why isn't their medicine. We're about 127 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: to tell that story. Let us rewind. We're gonna go 128 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: back into this is early, early, early that we're talking 129 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: about the age of sailing ships. I'm gonna have to 130 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: give you details that I normally don't give as I 131 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: lay this out, because the base of knowledge so many 132 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: people have is lacking. 133 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: Here. 134 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: Don't feel bad about that. Most people don't have it right. 135 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: So when I'm vague, it's because I've got too many 136 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: details coming for you later. Rewind all the way back 137 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: to the sailing ship age, the age of Christopher Columbus. 138 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: The European powers. European powers are starting to take these 139 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: wonderful sailing ships, and they're starting to cross the globe. 140 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: They're looking for things, they're looking to claim new lands, 141 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: they're looking to claim new resources. One of those super 142 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: powerful countries back then, which it's funny to think about 143 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: this now because they're not very powerful, was Portugal. Portugal 144 00:08:54,120 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 2: was big. Portugal starts bouncing around Africa. They round the 145 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: southern tip of Africa and they start to move inland 146 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: a little bit, and they find this climate that is 147 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: kind of wonderful. When you think of Africa, you don't 148 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: think about it that way, right, You probably think about 149 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: thick jungle. Maybe you're thinking about the Sahara, these vast 150 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: sands and things like that. Of course those things exist, 151 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: but remember Africa is huge. It stands to reason there 152 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: would be parts of it where the climate is flat 153 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: out pretty friggin nice. Portugal finds this climate, try to 154 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: take this climate, and an African tribe we won't go 155 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: into the details of that, fights a valiant war and 156 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: bounces to Portuguese. Portugal says, hey man, we're out. Portugal leaves, 157 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: but the knowledge is there that there is kind of 158 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: this little honey hole towards southern Africa not too shabby. 159 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: From there, we will fast forward to the late eighteen hundreds. 160 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: A is the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, wonderful Tuesday. 161 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: You can email us Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com 162 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna get to some of those next hour 163 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but you're just joining us. We're 164 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: talking history, the Rhodesian Bush War. Don't worry, you only 165 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: miss ten minutes. This could be ten hours. I'm only 166 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: gonna do hour two tonight. 167 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: Don't worry. 168 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: We'll be back to politics in it in forty five 169 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: minutes or so. So Africa, let's go to the late 170 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds. Now pause before we get to the late 171 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds. There were a warlike people who started stomping 172 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: the other African tribes in southern Africa back in the day. 173 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: If I were to ask you to name one African 174 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: tribal warlord, you would probably be able to name zero 175 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: or one. And the one you would probably name would 176 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: be who do you know, Chris? Do you know Shaka Zulu? 177 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: Shaka Zulu? Yeah, I knew, you knew it. Most people 178 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: know their name when you say it. So what was 179 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 2: Shaka Zulu's deal? Shakazulu was this incredible warlike leader. He 180 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: led the Zulus in Africa. He revolutionized some things about 181 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: combat back then. We won't go into the details. It 182 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: was their spears, and the Africans were used to throwing 183 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: their spears. They can whatever. Shaka Zulu revolutionized some warlike things, 184 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: and as happens throughout history, including today, the more powerful 185 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: people will eventually begin conquering the less powerful people around them. 186 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: He starts beating up on everyone, all right. 187 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: Eventually he has somebody who breaks off from him. He 188 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: essentially has some one of his general's rebel. The general 189 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: rebels and heads north all right now. This is the 190 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: first one of the details I'm going to have to 191 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: give you, And the only reason I'm giving giving you 192 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: this detail is it's going to come up later. In fact, 193 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: it's probably going to come up multiple times. We're in 194 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: the era of Shakazulu and this is actually going to 195 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: be a thread that goes throughout the Rhodesian Bush War. 196 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: The people who break off are called the Indo Belly. 197 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: The Indo Belly, don't worry if you don't remember the name, 198 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: but that is the warlike tribe that broke off from Shakazulu. 199 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: They broke off, they went north. In case you're wondering, 200 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: Shakazulu pursued them. It kind of broke off the chase whatever. 201 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: They went north. Well, remember I already told you these 202 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 2: people were incredibly warlike military advancements, and they started slaughtering 203 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: and subjugating all the other tribes they came into contact with. 204 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: I'm not dogging on them. That's how life was then, 205 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: and frankly now we live in a world of conquest, 206 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: and it was ugly, and they ran across peaceful tribes 207 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: and slaughtered them or made them slaves. They come across 208 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: the area that is now known as Zimbabwe, and they 209 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: discover exactly what I just talked to you about earlier. Wow, 210 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: it's uh, it's kind of nice here. I think I'll stay. 211 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: And because they were more powerful than the other tribes, 212 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: they moved in and set up shop. Now for the 213 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: only other tribe, I swear on my life, I'm only 214 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: going to give you two tribes because they're the two 215 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: main ones. I could bring other ones to you, but 216 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 2: it would only bore you and you would hate your life. 217 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: The Shona the Shona, two tribes into belly and Shona 218 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: into belly and shonah with me. This is really going 219 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: to matter for later on, the Indo belly move in 220 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: and they subjugate the Shona. The Shona become the indobelly slaves, and. 221 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: It can be okay. 222 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: Slavery, Remember where slavery can run the gamut throughout history. 223 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: Sometimes slavery means, hey, you don't get paid, but you're 224 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: the math tutor for my son. Here's a nice warm bed, 225 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: go feed the horses and teach my son algebra. And 226 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: sometimes slavery can be we'll work you to death in 227 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: the salt mines. You'll probably die six months from now, right, 228 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: they can run the gamut. This also could run the gamut. 229 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: Believe me when I tell you the Shona people had 230 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: no rights whatsoever. You did never say in your government. 231 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: They were slaves in every way, and in a lot 232 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: of ways they were pillaged. But they did come to 233 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: some sort of an existence where the Shona understood there 234 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: were slaves. The end of Belly were ruling Zimbabwe. I'm 235 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: going to continue to refer to this area as Zimbabwe 236 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: until it turns to Rhodesi. 237 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: So just hang with me. 238 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: Remember this as a disclaimer, it was not Zimbabwe at 239 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: the time. There was nothing at this time nothing. There 240 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: was no nation of any kindness or just tribes. Let's 241 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: fast forward now to the eighteen hundreds to layed eighteen hundreds. 242 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: The end of Belly are still ruling this area. Some 243 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: guys want to go hunt some game in this area 244 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: controlled by the End of Beelly. Everyone in Africa knew 245 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: by now the Indobelly we're calling the shots there. These 246 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: hunters didn't want to be disrespectful and they didn't want 247 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: to end up on the business end of a spear. 248 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: So they stopped by the headquarters of the Indibelly king 249 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: and they said, hey, you've got a lot of animals 250 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: we want to shoot here. Can you mind if we 251 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: give you a little this little that, you know, they 252 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: exchange some goods. If it's okay with you, we're gonna 253 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: go hunt. The King of the Endobelly said, hey, thanks 254 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: for the gifts. I appreciate it. Yeah, go shoot some game. 255 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: The guys take off. They go have a good time 256 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: hunting in Africa. But they find something, and it's so 257 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: funny how life works. Sometimes one little discovery can lead 258 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: to so many other things. The hunters keep running into 259 00:15:55,080 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: tribal peoples and they're were in gold, not just one 260 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: little gold thing, They're wearing a lot of gold. The 261 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: hunters go back, actually they go to South Africa, South Africa, 262 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: south of this and they start talking to people about 263 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: what they discovered and what their plan was. Continue in 264 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: a moment. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, 265 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: wonderful Tuesday. If you miss any part of the show, 266 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: you can download it on iHeart, Spotify, iTunes. And it 267 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: was just talking to Jewish producer Chris about this during 268 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: the break. Obviously Christmas is coming up, and you know 269 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: how it works in radio, The reason your favorite radio 270 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: host is gone for a couple of weeks at Christmas, 271 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: your favorite TV host is gone, podcast or whoever is. 272 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: Because this is the time of year where they essentially 273 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: force you to leave. All the advertisers leave, people are 274 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: off work, nobody listens, so they say, don't come in. 275 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: Don't come in obviously around Christmas. I have to take 276 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: time too. This is gonna be some thing you could 277 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: go back and listen to a couple of times. Listen 278 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: to with the kids. When you miss me, I will 279 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: be back. I'm gonna miss you too, trust me, I'm 280 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: gonna miss you too. Back to our story. It's the 281 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: late eighteen hundreds. Some hunters just got back from Zimbabwe 282 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: and they found gold, and, as the saying goes, loose 283 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: lips sink ships. Because the hunters got back from Zimbabwe 284 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: and they had done something very smart before they left. 285 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 2: They went to the king and they said, hey, we 286 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: kind of like this gold stuff you have going. Would 287 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: you mind if we come back and take some of that. 288 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: We're gonna give you a cut. We're not trying to 289 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: do you wrong. We're gonna give you a cut. We'll 290 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 2: bring you this, we'll bring you that. But is it Okay, 291 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: it'll be really small if we come back and get 292 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: some of that gold. The king of the end of Belly, 293 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: the ruling tribe at the time, said, ah, sure, knock 294 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: yourself out. Go ahead, okay, the hunter get back to 295 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 2: South Africa. Now I need to pause for a moment, 296 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: and I'm probably gonna end up doing this a couple times, 297 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: but I need to explain the geography of what we're 298 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 2: talking about because it's going to matter a lot. So 299 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: what I want you to do is I want you 300 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: to make a circle in your mind. Don't worry. You 301 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: don't have to write it down. You can if you 302 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: want a circle. This circle you just made is a clock, 303 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 2: all right, a clock. Now from about six o'clock to 304 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 2: about eight o'clock that border is South Africa to the 305 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: south kind of the southwest. From six o'clock all the 306 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 2: way to about twelve o'clock that is Mozambique. That is 307 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: going to be huge for the purposes of our story. 308 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: But I'll come back to it to work about memorizing that. Now. 309 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: The other two countries are not as important. Just know 310 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: that north because it will come up is Zambia, all right. 311 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: Zambia Mozambique, South Africa. The hunters go back to South 312 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: Africa six and eight o'clock. Okay. Instead of shutting their 313 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: mouths about the gold in the agreement they got, they 314 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: start to talk. And that was a really bad idea 315 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: because there was a man in South Africa who had 316 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: an unbelievable amount of money and power and Hu wanted 317 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: more of it. And his name was Cecil Roads or 318 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: Cecil Roads. All these names are pronounced differently depending on 319 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: what you're listening to a reading. I'm gonna call him 320 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: Cecil Roads because that was the most common who was 321 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: Cecil Roads. First, he was a brit The Brits are 322 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: going to play a huge part. This is a British story, 323 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: really a British story. He was a major, major power 324 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 2: player in Britain, super wealthy guy. Now what's he doing 325 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: over there? Well, this is the late eighteen hundreds. Britain 326 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: is aware that most of their colonial age has probably 327 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: passed it by, but they haven't given up the game yet. 328 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: They still want to find other lands, far off lands 329 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: to take over, to mind, to find a place for 330 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: their people to you know, they're an empire that likes 331 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: to expand Britain also had something else they did, and 332 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: they did it very very well, very successfully. Multiple times 333 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: throughout their history they would almost allow their conquests to 334 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: be privatized in a way where you can go conquer 335 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 2: this land. No, no, take some British people raise an 336 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: army if you like. In fact, we want you to, 337 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: and you have our permission, but we're not really officially 338 00:20:59,720 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: do it. 339 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: You see, we're washing our hands of it. If you 340 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: would like to go. 341 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: Do something and it works out, we'll be there to 342 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: help out and of course take over in the end. 343 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 2: Cecil Rhoads he essentially steals this agreement from these hunters, 344 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: and Cecil Rhodes decides he likes the idea of this 345 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: Zimbabwe place, he likes the climate. He thinks agriculture could 346 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 2: get big there. Mining is very clearly going to get 347 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: big there. And by the way, Zimbabwe ended up being 348 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: really big on things like chrome and stuff like that. 349 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 2: But Cecil Rhoads is one of these you'd call him 350 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: a billionaire type conquistador is essentially what he was. So 351 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: Central Road or Cecil Rhoades does something. He goes to 352 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 2: the King of Zimbabwe, the exact same king, the miners 353 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: had dealt with and he in a way, I guess, 354 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 2: rips him off. 355 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not. 356 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: Here's how the deal went. Hey, you know how these 357 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: we're gonna mine a little bit here, We're not. We'd 358 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 2: like to mine a lot here. And I understand your 359 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: concerns about this, King. I'm totally get that it's your land. 360 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: Wanna be clear it's your land. Just to prove to. 361 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: You that it's your land. Because we're gonna be bringing 362 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: all these people through here. We'll build you some roads. 363 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 2: We're gonna have roads and stuff like that. We're gonna 364 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: give you some guns as well. They didn't necessarily specify 365 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: the age of the guns. 366 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: But these are. 367 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: People with shields and spears. Hey, King, I know you 368 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: like to rule over the people around you. How about 369 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: some superior weaponry. They even promised him they would bring 370 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: him a gun boat that went up the river. They 371 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: didn't end up delivering on the gunboat, but they did 372 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: bring some guns. The king call him naive, but Hindsights 373 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty says, you know what I like the sounds 374 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: of that. 375 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: I want some roads. I want some guns. Come on in. 376 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 2: Roads, raises what essentially amounts to an entire civil society 377 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 2: for this invasion. When I say civil society, I mean 378 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: there are troops, but there are more than troops. There 379 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: are doctors, there are lawyers, there are miners, are there's 380 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: really every major aspect of the society you can think of, 381 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: if any society you can think of, certainly a modern society. 382 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 2: Cecil Roads raises these people from South Africa, from Britain, 383 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: they come from all other places. But this is actually 384 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 2: going to be an important part of the story as well. 385 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: I find it fascinating. It's almost like a like a 386 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 2: weird society that was grown in a lab. He wasn't 387 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: grabbing the dregs of every society. He wasn't emptying the 388 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: prisons or grabbing this guy who who who was down 389 00:23:54,720 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: on his luck. He actually went to the high class society, 390 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: people established families, wealthy families, educated people, and he said, hey, 391 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: your son's a doctor, Come on down, Hey, do you 392 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: want a lot of farmland your daughter? He took what 393 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 2: essentially amounted to the cream of the crop and invaded 394 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: Zimbabwe with the permission of the king, with all of 395 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: these people, and he starts carving roads in a Zimbabwe. 396 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: He starts building armies. This is all done with the 397 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: permission of the British Crown. And again it's just cheaper 398 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: and easier for the British Crown to say, hey, cecil, 399 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 2: have at it. You have our permission, We're not gonna bother. 400 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: We're we're not sending our people. You just go and 401 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: they this society will call it five hundred people because 402 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 2: that's roughly how many he came and with originally walk 403 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: into this country, totally foreign country. You have a king, 404 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 2: this tribe, and the king has a slave tribe that's 405 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: under him, and you have all this other stuff, and 406 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: they start hacking out a living in the middle of 407 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 2: this wild African land. It wasn't again known as Zimbabwe 408 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: at this time, but they would have one day be 409 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 2: known as Zimbabwe. Now there eventually began to be some 410 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: chafing with the relationships. We'll talk about some chafing. Next 411 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: is the Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic, fantastic Tuesday. 412 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: We are almost to the end of our our first 413 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: hour on. 414 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 2: The Rhodesian Bush, where I know it's the second hour 415 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: of the show. I'm just gonna do ten more minutes 416 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: on this and then we return to the story tomorrow. 417 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: Remember if you miss any part of the show, iHeart 418 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: Spotify iTunes. All right, next hour, we have all kinds 419 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: of stuff to get to the administrative state and layoffs 420 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: and Marjorie Taylor and emails and other things. But back 421 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: to our story here, all right. So these this society 422 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: of miners and troops and things like that under Cecil Roads, 423 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: they go into Zimbabwe. They strike an agreement with the king. 424 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: This is the late eighteen hundreds. Remember eighteen nineties. I 425 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: already told you there are two different African tribes here. 426 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: There's more than two, but for the sake of simplicity, 427 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: there's two major ones, the Endo Belly, the ruling tribe, 428 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: and the Shona, the less powerful tribe. In eighteen ninety three, 429 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: a tribal war breaks out. Now I need to set 430 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 2: something up before the tribal war breaks out. I need 431 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: to explain that in these early years for the settlers 432 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: or colonizers or whatever you want to call them, for 433 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 2: Cecil Roads in the Crew, this is not at all 434 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: a pleasant time of plenty, not at all. 435 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: This is a. 436 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: Completely uncivilized place as far as civilization goes. For them, 437 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 2: it's hard to get supplies in they are having to 438 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 2: essentially carve out civilization from nothing, and it's tough, sledden, 439 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 2: very very very tough. 440 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: So these are people, believe. 441 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: Me, They're not sitting around being fanned by African slaves. 442 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: They are working their fingers to the bone. There is disease, 443 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: there is deprivation. It's very very hard. Now eighteen ninety three, 444 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: these two tribes breakout in the war, I say a war, 445 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: but as per usual, the Indobelly were more powerful at 446 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: the time. In the ind of Belly start to slaughter 447 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: the Shona who had been their slaves, and a different 448 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: kind of a slaughter than the Europeans were used to. 449 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna refer to them as Europeans a lot, because 450 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 2: that's mainly the background of these people. They watched children 451 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: being burned alive by the end of Beelly. The end 452 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 2: of Belly were given orders by their king, Hey, don't 453 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 2: lay a finger on the Europeans. Go ahead, slaughter the Shona, 454 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 2: kill them all. I don't care, but whatever you do, 455 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: do not touch the Europeans. He was very aware that 456 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: he was in a dangerous situation and should not offend 457 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: the Europeans. But remember that talk we had after Hamas 458 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: invaded Israel on October seventh in what was a raid. 459 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: Remember that talk we had about how there's a way 460 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: of doing things, about how you're gonna have a hard 461 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: time finding a sympathetic ear. If you can't stop yourself 462 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: from burning babies in an oven when people come across that, 463 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: you're going to ruin your reputation. Let's just say the 464 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: Indobelly ruined their reputation. They were essentially spearing pregnant women 465 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: five feet away from Europeans. The Europeans are looking at 466 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: this and they cannot believe what they're seeing. Now in defense, 467 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm about to say this, in defense 468 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 2: of the Indobelly who were doing the spearing and burning. 469 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: That's how it had always been in Africa with these 470 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: tribal wars. That's how tribal wars had always looked. That's 471 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 2: how they'd always sounded. It was always slaughter, it was 472 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: always horrible. They were doing what they had always done. 473 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: But the Europeans certainly were not used to that way 474 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: of living, and they certainly had not been introduced to 475 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 2: it right in front of them. They are freaking mortified. 476 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: The Europeans are mortified and they decide, Okay, I can 477 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: see we're gonna have to square things away here. The 478 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: Europeans have had enough of this and they arm the army. 479 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 2: I know the Indo Belly have some guns already, but 480 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: they didn't have something called the Maxim gun. The Maxim 481 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: gun is one of the first known machine guns that 482 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: was ever employed. And that war went about like you 483 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: would expect. The Europeans step in and say, you guys 484 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: are freaking savages and this is no longer your area. 485 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: We are not going to handle that. We are not 486 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: going to allow this. You're going to die. The Indobelly 487 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: fight a war against the Europeans and it went about 488 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: like you would expect. Yes, the Europeans lost a patrol, 489 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: they got two cocky. This twenty man patrol went out 490 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: and got surrounded by a thousand Indebelli got slaughtered and 491 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: it was ugly thing. But for the most part, the 492 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: Europeans just absolutely mopped the floor with the Indo Belly, 493 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: wipe them out gone, and in their minds, because of 494 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: the slaughter they had witnessed before, they felt like they 495 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 2: had every justification now to do what they'd always wanted. 496 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: And let's be honest, It's what they always wanted, create 497 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 2: a new colony, a new country. They were already colonizing it, 498 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: but that gave them everything they needed to say, we 499 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: are in charge now. King, you're no longer the king. 500 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: You don't rule anything here. We Europeans, we now own 501 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: this country. But this is a very very big country, 502 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: a very very big country. At one point in our story, 503 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: when when this uncharted becomes Rhodesia, and it's about to 504 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 2: become Rhodesia tomorrow, they're going to have a two thousand 505 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: mile border, two thousand miles. Don't think of this place 506 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: as some tiny little place. It is a place that 507 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 2: is gigantic, with mountains and rivers in thick woods, and 508 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: it's a huge, huge place. There aren't that many of them. 509 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 2: How do you start a country from what amounts to 510 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: essentially nothing. You've got teachers, you've got doctors, you got miners, 511 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: you got things like that, But you have to start 512 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: the process of a whole new country. And that process 513 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: begins tomorrow, and it'll be bloody too.