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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go our number two.

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station running on fumes. If

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Speaker 3: you're one of those that stayed up to watch history

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Speaker 3: last night, Dodgers beat the Toronto Blue Jays and eighteen

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Speaker 3: innings on a Freddi Freeman walk off after show, Hey, Otani,

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Speaker 3: we reached base nine times. What does Otani have for

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Speaker 3: the encore? He'll take the mountain night In Game four

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Speaker 3: against the Toronto Blue Jays, Dodgers lead that series now

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Speaker 3: to one. All over our local sports coverage is our

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Speaker 3: guest here to kick off our number two each and

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Speaker 3: every Tuesday. From Fox nineteen Joe Daniman Yate. What's up,

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Speaker 3: joe Y?

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Speaker 4: You know how the announcers say at the end of

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Speaker 4: a baseball game, stay tuned for your late love local news.

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Speaker 5: What happens when it's the morning show?

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Speaker 2: That to me?

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Speaker 3: And I know you already hashed this out with Moeger.

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Speaker 3: At what point during that game last night, did you

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Speaker 4: At about one thirty, they pulled the plug on us

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Speaker 5: Twenty five years.

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Speaker 4: The Aaron Boone walk off home run against the Red

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Speaker 4: Sox was like, the only pitch I missed in that

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Speaker 5: I came back and I missed it.

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Speaker 4: Till last night when we left, I was driving way

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Speaker 5: Sure I saw the end of the game.

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Speaker 4: Little did I know I would still have like four

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Speaker 6: So what's it like for you guys there at the

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Speaker 6: Fox nineteen studios because you work on the show. Do

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Speaker 6: you get all the show done and everything that you're

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Speaker 6: on other stuff for today, like what's going on? Take

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Speaker 5: That's a great question.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So at that point, we're down to about five

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Speaker 5: To tell them when this is going to end.

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Speaker 4: Like, because I work in sports, I can predict when this.

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Speaker 5: Baseball game is going to be finished. So they're asking

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Speaker 4: However, I'm the only one there who's excited because we're

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Speaker 4: I tell them all the time, I'd be home watching

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I tried to work ahead, got a few

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Speaker 4: So most of the time people are sitting around lamenting

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Speaker 5: The game anyway.

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Speaker 6: Following up on that with social media, how has your

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Speaker 5: Isn't that something? And I had no idea Austin.

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Speaker 4: We were in the middle of shooting our Bengals Live

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Speaker 5: Now relates and resonates with me because I'm a mid

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Speaker 4: And the funny thing about that tweet was I was

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Speaker 3: I want to get to the Bengals. But on the

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Speaker 3: doing something I'm never going to see in my lifetime

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Speaker 3: same thing. I'm never going to see anyone on this

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Speaker 3: You've been able to see Tiger and Jordan and Lebron

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Speaker 4: You mentioned all the people that I have seen throughout

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Speaker 4: But outside of that show, come watch and see what

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Speaker 4: and that's what Sho Haotani has become. On top of it,

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Speaker 4: the guy's extremely likable and I find him fascinating to

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Speaker 4: I just think it's a cool thing to know that

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Speaker 2: Let's switch gears. I hate to do it.

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Speaker 3: We've got to talk a little bit about the Bengals

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Speaker 3: and the Jets thirty nine, thirty eight, five hundred and

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Speaker 3: a comment or two about the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the defense, Joe, somehow, some way, after

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Speaker 3: in many categories this year. How have we gotten to

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Speaker 4: I'd love to play back our conversations and us talking

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Speaker 5: They would need to take from last year to this year.

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Speaker 4: They invested in change in coordinator, they invested in change

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Speaker 4: you look at what this team has done. They've chosen

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Speaker 4: We would argue Jesse Bates in twenty eighteen was a

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Speaker 5: The plan was pay the guys on offense, draft.

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Speaker 4: and it hasn't worked.

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Speaker 5: It's simple to me.

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Speaker 4: We can talk about tackling, we can talk about schemes,

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Speaker 5: To me, it's about the talent.

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Speaker 4: There's not enough elite talent on this defense for them

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Speaker 5: You don't. And that's the reality of the situation.

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Speaker 4: Better, And that to me has to be the most

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Speaker 6: Well, the good news is Joe, that there was a

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Speaker 5: And he made some changes.

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Speaker 5: We hear the word hesitancy.

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Speaker 4: I think that comes with guys not having confidence in themselves,

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Speaker 3: That's the hard part when you have a player's only

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Speaker 5: But it just doesn't work that way until.

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Speaker 4: You have, as you said, the tape to prove you're

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Speaker 5: We'll see what what it's made of. And Zach Taylor

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Speaker 4: You don't you don't see Zach oftentimes kind of go

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Speaker 3: On the offensive side of the ball, it's hard to

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Speaker 2: I let you go, Joe.

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Speaker 3: The UC Bearcats head to Utah late start Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: They're getting nine and a half points in this game.

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Speaker 4: Because of the way Utah runs the ball and their

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Speaker 4: that offense gives you see a chance against anybody in

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Speaker 4: this conference.

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Speaker 5: I think that the point total to spread.

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Speaker 4: Right now is too high, but I think that really

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Speaker 4: does depend on what they get out of their quarterback

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Speaker 4: at Utah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe Daniman Fox nineteen. What do you got coming

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Speaker 3: up this week?

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Speaker 5: Joe?

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Speaker 7: Gentlemen, The yeat streak has been extended three times by

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Speaker 7: a total of six different people at the game, including

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Speaker 7: a row of four guys who all yelled yeat.

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Speaker 4: At the exact same time. At the Stadium, which was awesome.

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Speaker 4: Wednesday Night Live at Newport on the Levee, Orlando Brown

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Speaker 4: Junior and Amrius.

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Speaker 5: Mim will join in our live Bengals show on.

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Speaker 4: Wednesday night and then Friday night, Halloween Night high school football.

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Speaker 5: Playoffs, the final quarter of Bay. You can't miss it.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome stuff. Always appreciate your time, Joe. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: again next week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Joe.

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Speaker 3: Here Due, that's Joe Daniman. This is since he three

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Speaker 9: It's not time for talkbacks. Rest is on microphone and

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Speaker 9: recorded on this for Austin and to please keep it

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Speaker 9: clean and don't be mean and a sprinkle.

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Speaker 8: Sprinkle, Trip of blood, Trip of Blood.

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Speaker 9: It's that time for talkbacks. It's our favorite part of

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Speaker 9: sid C three sixty. So Austin, buddy, play those hawkbats

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Speaker 9: on your screen and please turn out to sabotage. It

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Speaker 9: wows cool sabotage by.

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Speaker 6: Unbelievable man. It just gets better and better. I didn't

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Speaker 6: tell you about that. I actually I had loaded that

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Speaker 6: in and forgot. And uh wow, how great is that?

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Speaker 6: Incredible talent MVP level incredible talent.

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Speaker 10: V think that Yoshi Skyline bibblehead has a better chance

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Speaker 10: of catching the ball this year than Yoshi does.

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Speaker 8: I mean, what's happened he this dude?

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Speaker 6: And so the defense has a player's only meeting yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Uh where was this set like three or four weeks ago?

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Speaker 11: Players only meeting Hall of Famer Austin Elmore. This is

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Speaker 11: Jim Happy Tuesday. You know where the Bengals are concerned.

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Speaker 11: I don't think anybody's really going to lose their job,

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Speaker 11: but Zach and al they could take the rest of

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Speaker 11: the season and maybe shift the personal paradigm. It's been

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Speaker 11: said here on three sixty due you know, not loving

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Speaker 11: the duke either, but if you want to be my

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Speaker 11: lay tech salesman invoked the Costanza ruler, It's off to

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Speaker 11: Del Boco Vista and no soup for you.

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Speaker 12: Next U Tobinlan Health Traffic Center, where our gastro entyrologists

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Speaker 12: remind you to get colidoscope to check for cold cancers.

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Speaker 12: The Bengels defense released the entire contents of their colds.

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Speaker 2: All over the field in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 12: Tony, how could I get fired and promoted at the

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Speaker 12: same time? Maybe make it Eddie Zelix's traffic with traffic.

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Speaker 6: I'm Edie zelk A great question. That is an excellent question.

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Speaker 6: Oh Ze, great job.

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Speaker 13: Do you know the last time the Bengals drafted an

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Speaker 13: offensive lineman and actually contract it was Clint Bowling and

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Speaker 13: that dude retired in twenty nineteen. I've been on the

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Speaker 13: fire Zach Taylor bandwagon, but I'm walking that back because

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Speaker 13: the next question is always who you're gonna get I

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Speaker 13: don't know who are your top three candidates right now?

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Speaker 14: If Zach Taylor gets.

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Speaker 13: Fired tomorrow, who are they? Because they're not going to

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Speaker 13: magically make this defense tackle.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's what a coaching touch would be. I would

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Speaker 6: mention Joe Brady would be at the top of the list.

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Speaker 6: I hope not. I guess you could at least consider him.

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Speaker 6: Joe Brady, John Gruden, whoa Doug Peterson? Anybody else really

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Speaker 6: stand out?

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Speaker 2: Peterson would be an interesting one. I think that would

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Speaker 2: be an interesting Yeah.

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Speaker 15: The Lord.

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Speaker 11: Hey, I got a question for you, Tony Austin.

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Speaker 16: What was that stuff that Aaron Rodgers was sniffing on

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Speaker 16: that Sunday night game?

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Speaker 17: Is it illegal?

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Speaker 2: Is he going to get suspended? Nope, it's just smelling

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Speaker 2: salts illegal.

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Speaker 18: So yesterday on Tony Pike's Tony IMO Football Show featuring

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Speaker 18: Tony Pike, you guys played Zax Presser, during which he

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Speaker 18: was preaching about not wanting the players to make the

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Speaker 18: same mistake twice. Coach, I saw five guys make the

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Speaker 18: exact same mistake on the same play, but anyway they

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Speaker 18: come back. MO mentioned that it was a shorter than

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Speaker 18: usual presser. Well, that's because that had a game plan

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Speaker 18: for once and it was executed the perfection. As soon

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Speaker 18: as there was three to five seconds of silence, he

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Speaker 18: was gonna jet j E T jet jet jet.

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Speaker 19: Hey, guys, hope you're doing well. I just wanted to

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Speaker 19: reach out and ask if anyone has approached Duke Tobin

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Speaker 19: for comment.

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Speaker 6: I would imagine people have asked to talk to Duke

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Speaker 6: and the answer has probably been no. Any chance we

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Speaker 6: hear from Duke at the bye week No. I can

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Speaker 6: speak for me personally. I haven't reached out to try

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Speaker 6: to get comment from Duke. I know that people who

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Speaker 6: often do are often told no, thank you.

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Speaker 20: Sorry, Hey guys, Stephen Montgomery, just reaching out to I

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Speaker 20: read that the Browns have a third rank defense in

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Speaker 20: the NFL. So I have a great idea, cal Cleveland.

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Speaker 20: They were dumb enoughs to give us Flaco for a song.

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Speaker 20: Offer them our entire defense for their entire defense, and

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Speaker 20: they can have our next two drafts entirely.

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Speaker 5: I'm only partly kidding.

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Speaker 20: Because wow, I mean, they could totally rebuild. He can

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Speaker 20: a bunch of guys, but.

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Speaker 5: Desperate times guys.

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Speaker 2: All right, you let's throw that in the hopper.

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Speaker 16: Hey, Tim, Hey Adam, this is former Alabama coach Nick Saban.

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Speaker 16: I just wanted to Collin say I cannot wait to

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Speaker 16: see the Cincinnati Wildcats out of Utah of this Saturday.

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Speaker 2: As you know, I'll be there for college game Day.

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Speaker 21: Uh.

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Speaker 5: Looking for big things.

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Speaker 16: Out of Brandon Surly a coach. Kney Saderfield number point

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Speaker 16: guard really has him running on the patch shift this year,

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Speaker 16: and I think he's gonna make a real run. It

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Speaker 16: has been, has been, You shoot, have won, Tim Brendan Sourly.

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Speaker 15: Tony, Tommy Tucky, mister gilber too, Tony. I think Duke

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Speaker 15: Tobin and his inability to draft and develop players is

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Speaker 15: awfully similar to Bowling' easy in his efforts in memorial

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Speaker 15: they turned Wow.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you think.

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Speaker 15: About it, he's had different players, He's gonna acquire different people,

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Speaker 15: and they haven't panned out. He's always got this phantom

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Speaker 15: fourth guy showing up that never shots. I mean it's

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Speaker 15: very similar to Duke Tobin and now he runs the bangle.

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Speaker 6: That is a great correlation. That is one facts. So

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Speaker 6: player personnel in ain't easy. Yep, you got a fort

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Speaker 6: you just can't make.

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Speaker 22: It in the creek.

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Speaker 21: I know I'm a day late, but I got a

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Speaker 21: pile on Zach Taylor. No, you don't get any credit

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Speaker 21: for the offense the last couple of weeks. That is

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Speaker 21: one hundred percent Jamar Chase going off and everybody talks

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Speaker 21: about his record without Joe Burrow, which I think sits

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Speaker 21: at nine to twenty seven at the moment. I think

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Speaker 21: the more damning stat is his record with Joe Burrow

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Speaker 21: forty thirty and one. That's a fifty six win percentage

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Speaker 21: with arguably the best quarterback on the plane.

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Speaker 23: Oh, the Bengals last Sunday. What a devastating gut punch

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Speaker 23: that was. O'TAWNI is unbelievable. The Brad Paisley thing is unbelievable.

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Speaker 23: His mother in law is Emulu Harris. I like her

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Speaker 23: a little bit.

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Speaker 24: Oh, Miles Murphy, I mean, I don't know if they

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Speaker 24: could get maybe a box and nails form.

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Speaker 2: A show from Casey here.

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Speaker 25: You talk about bringing in free agents and people that

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Speaker 25: are established in the league and proven track records. For me,

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Speaker 25: that's even more case to get rid of the coaching staff.

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Speaker 25: They got to go because they've done that on the

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Speaker 25: O line. They brought in people who've been in won

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Speaker 25: super Bowls, all those things. If you look at the past,

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Speaker 25: you know, however many years and they'll come here and

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Speaker 25: just forget how.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or they don't develop, or they don't fit the system.

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Speaker 26: Rep in the city out here in sunny hot and

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Speaker 26: so on and what up, Tonny?

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Speaker 27: What up?

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Speaker 26: Buddy man s He says, Sinnatti, gotta give you guys

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Speaker 26: some love. The atmosphere was phenomenal. TG on the radio

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Speaker 26: was fire. That was homesickling at that crowd. Beautiful Bengals man.

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Speaker 26: Our defense is marshmallows saw. Let's just be real straight

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Speaker 26: bones on defense. Figure way to be Chicago and I

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Speaker 26: don't trust dupe neither you.

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Speaker 2: Tossed in the day.

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Speaker 26: The reason why the Big Twilo is on the map.

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Speaker 26: We about to come out there and smoke them used

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Speaker 26: they ain't ready for this type of smoke.

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Speaker 2: We're running the Big twelve marshmallow soft. That's soft.

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Speaker 28: Hey, guys, it's JD from Chicago. Just thinking that with

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Speaker 28: the Bengals having to rebuild all four layers of their

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Speaker 28: defense defensive line, linebackers, cornerbacks, safeties, is there too much

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Speaker 28: overall needed to wait until next season? Aren't this shouldn't

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Speaker 28: they try to tackle at least one of those areas

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Speaker 28: between now and the trade deadline?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I would, because I just don't trust that they can

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Speaker 3: attack it in the offseason, because we just watched them

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Speaker 3: fail miserably at attacking it in an off season.

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Speaker 6: It would make sense to make moves now that help

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Speaker 6: you now and help you down the road, or the

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Speaker 6: Bengals typically will put it off until later on and

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Speaker 6: see what happens then, But it would make sense to

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Speaker 6: help yourself now if you can.

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Speaker 29: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I see no reason why this Bengals team should be

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Speaker 17: buyers in the deadline. They should absolutely be sellers. And

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Speaker 17: you outline it yesterday. They're not close to winning or

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Speaker 17: competing for anything right now, so one or two guys

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Speaker 17: at the deadline in gonna change that. There are so

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Speaker 17: many holes in this team it is going to take

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Speaker 17: multiple off seasons to fix the amount of holes they

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Speaker 17: got to compete for where they want to go and

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Speaker 17: Ohio State plus two to sixty to win it all.

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Speaker 5: The next closest team is.

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Speaker 17: Indiana at plus six hundred.

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Speaker 5: That is a huge gap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that gap as genuine as well.

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Speaker 6: I would sprinkle on Indiana. By the way, I'm bullish

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Speaker 6: on the Hoosiers. I really think they can do it.

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Speaker 6: The problem with your argument there is the Bengals have

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Speaker 6: one one sellable asset and it's Trey Henderson.

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Speaker 2: And who's hurt He may not play this week? Heard

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Speaker 2: it the worst time possible. Correct, There's only.

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Speaker 30: One way for this team to make a complete three

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Speaker 30: six team. The Cincinnati Bengals need to have one. Will

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Speaker 30: Blackburn and girls come down to the sidelines with a

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Speaker 30: headset on and listen to every play that comes in.

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Speaker 2: For the Dee fringe.

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Speaker 6: Don't hate that idea matter of fact, we have some

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Speaker 6: carly erse Gordon audio to get.

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Speaker 31: To Tony Audie, I got some nice thanks to say

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Speaker 31: about your main sponsor, Skyline. I was at Krager today

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Speaker 31: and they were passing out samples of the Skyline and

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Speaker 31: Chili made that Chili made with chicken. It was really

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Speaker 31: really close. They did a really good job of making

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Speaker 31: that recipe. I think if you made three ways, four ways,

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Speaker 31: five ways at home, you wouldn't be able to tell

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Speaker 31: a difference.

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Speaker 2: And it's healthier, Okay.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not kidding, Like it's unbelievably good okay, And

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Speaker 6: I think it's not exactly the same, but it's not

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Speaker 6: dissimilar in a bad way. It's still good.

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Speaker 29: Hey, guys, Marcus from the Groove Marcus, you guys know me.

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Speaker 29: Of course I stayed up to watch that game more

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Speaker 29: because I'm antiv ghost running rule in the regular season,

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Speaker 29: So me, watching extra inning games is real baseball to me,

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Speaker 29: and I enjoy every second of it. To go to

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Speaker 29: the Bengal side of it, people need to stop with

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Speaker 29: the narrative of chalk the season up, wait till next year.

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Speaker 29: Burrows only got a few years left and everybody does

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Speaker 29: know he can leave.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't want to start down that path.

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Speaker 32: I've been very pessimistic about the twenty twenty five Cincinnati

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Speaker 32: Bengals for the following reasons. Number one Cincinnati Bengal had

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Speaker 32: cheerleader Dan Ward on your show, saying that Hal Golden

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Speaker 32: was an upgrade from Lou and Rouma. Number two Shamar

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Speaker 32: Stewart saying that the Bengals care more about winning arguments

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Speaker 32: than winning. Number three memerosiasin outing the Bengals for being cheap.

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Speaker 32: Number four Tony Pike's bleak training camp reports. Number five

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Speaker 32: Wogan Wilson asking grim mid season training.

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Speaker 19: Damn, hey, Tony, just wondering if you could speak to

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Speaker 19: why when we watched the Bengals, the field seems so

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Speaker 19: small and when the Chiefs play, it seems so freaking big.

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Speaker 19: It wasn't always that way, but I'm just thinking.

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Speaker 5: Of how.

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Speaker 19: Kelsey will block and then leak out at the last minute,

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Speaker 19: and there's just not a soul around the man. Well,

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Speaker 19: the Bengals these things as well. Thanks buddy.

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Speaker 6: I've always said it'd be nice to just, you know,

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Speaker 6: emulating and copycat from what other teams do successfully. But sure,

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Speaker 6: whatever reason, it's just not in the cards.

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Speaker 2: M Hey.

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Speaker 33: I noticed that during the very well deserved Ray of

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Speaker 33: Honor ceremonies for Lamp and Leap and Lamar, the Bengals

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Speaker 33: did not introduce the other legends that were in attendance.

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Speaker 2: What is up with that?

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Speaker 6: You don't have time for it. NFL halftimes only twelve minutes.

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Speaker 6: You got to do a video tribute to each of them.

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Speaker 6: You got to get them both out there. You got

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Speaker 6: to present them with the jacket. You gotta take the pictures.

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Speaker 6: You got to get them off the field. Not enough

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Speaker 6: time to roll through the other fifteen or twenty guys

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Speaker 6: who might have been there.

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Speaker 22: I know who the top pre candidates are. That would

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Speaker 22: be the assistant running backs coach for the Patriots, or

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Speaker 22: the trainer for Seattle, or maybe the equipment manager for

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Speaker 22: the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Heard they're all real good guys.

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Speaker 22: Since we decided to hire a quarterback coach instead of

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Speaker 22: a coordinator.

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Speaker 5: M HM.

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Speaker 34: I would trade Trey Hendrickson for two draft picks. Then

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Speaker 34: I would trade for Max Crosby, give him a first

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Speaker 34: and maybe a sixth, and then I'd get Thibodeaux from

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Speaker 34: the Giants and give them a draft pick or two.

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Speaker 34: And then I'd have two proven defensive ends that rushed

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Speaker 34: the passer, and it wouldn't cost me much more. We

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Speaker 34: don't use our draft picks anyway.

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Speaker 2: And then you wake up because you're in fantasy lamb come.

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Speaker 27: Ba, Hello Austin. Where where did Tony Tony?

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 27: Where did Brendan Surline play a high school ball? Did

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Speaker 27: he also play with with Tony at Indian Hill.

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Speaker 2: No, Sworsby's a Texas guy. Did you think that was funny?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 2: That was a bad one for him. He's normally great.

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Speaker 15: He Scott two times and wants to be the next

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Speaker 15: Notre Dame coach to add to the coaching carousel there

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Speaker 15: in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 5: This seem last one thing. Let's list that's discipline. I've

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Speaker 5: never had a team like this, man my tired life.

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Speaker 2: I tell you, jumping folks that be though you something, man, No.

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Speaker 5: One's ever drowned in sweat.

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Speaker 30: I'll have this team playing better than any coach from

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Speaker 30: Notre Dame and Al Golden will be a sensational.

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Speaker 2: Player head coach.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, lou If al Golden's the head coach we

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Speaker 6: got issue. No one's ever drowned in sweat.

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Speaker 2: That's a good line right there. That was our last one.

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Speaker 2: Very good.

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Speaker 3: Let's break. Let's come back hour two to finish up with.

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Speaker 3: And it's not drowning in sweat, but it's winning a

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Speaker 3: phone booth.

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Speaker 2: Austin. You heard that quote, winning in a phone booth. Yep.

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Speaker 3: Scott Sanderfield once his players to take their opponents in

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Speaker 3: the phone booth.

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Speaker 6: He wants to dominate him. I think he needs to

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Speaker 6: drag him out to that deep water. Oh, phone booth there,

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Speaker 6: you'd know where to hide when you're in a phone booth,

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Speaker 6: that's where.

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Speaker 2: That's what he wants. He don't want to be able

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Speaker 2: to hide from him. I don't know, man.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk and listen to what Scott's Ouderfield has to

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Speaker 3: say to kick off our three. Still got to finish

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Speaker 3: up Hour two next on the Home of the Bengals

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station Johnny Knoxville.

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Speaker 8: Here, this is Dave Lapplock and you're listening to the

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Speaker 8: Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: This is football in the NATI gruntch you in part

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Speaker 1: by Bud Light and by Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 1: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, Sincy three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to our friends at Cincy Shirts. You played

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Speaker 3: austin the Jamar Chase audio yesterday. Yeah, what did you

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Speaker 3: make of the tone I had?

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Speaker 6: People asked me what I thought of the tone of

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Speaker 6: Jamar Chase and do you have a problem with what

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Speaker 6: he had to say? Like, I think Jamar Chase is

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Speaker 6: a leader on this team. Now, I also think Jamar

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Speaker 6: Chase is a is a guy that wears his emotions

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Speaker 6: on his sleeves. And I think more than anything, Jamar

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Speaker 6: Chase is a guy that wants to win. Does not

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Speaker 6: care if he has twenty catches or two catches. He

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Speaker 6: wants to win.

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Speaker 3: And many times in his post game he was asked

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Speaker 3: about the defense, he said, I don't play defense, I

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Speaker 3: play offense.

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Speaker 6: Ask them, yep. Many times in the post game, he said,

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Speaker 6: that's not a question for me. Asked the head coach

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Speaker 6: aske Zach Taylor. Yeah, I don't have an issue with

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Speaker 6: that from your star player, and it's not abnormal. He's

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Speaker 6: given that answer before. Correct, not my job or that's

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Speaker 6: a question for Zach. That's my thing. If it's true,

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Speaker 6: then I appreciate the honesty like that.

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Speaker 3: That to me is what I want in a leader.

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Speaker 3: I don't want someone to sugarcoat things and say, well,

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Speaker 3: you've got to be better, we'll get back to the

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Speaker 3: drawing board. I want a guy that said, listen, essential

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Speaker 3: we put up thirty eight points. I don't play defense.

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Speaker 3: Go talk to them, make them answer for it. I'm

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Speaker 3: not the head coach, Go ask him. He was also,

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Speaker 3: I thought, as critical as he could be. He said, listen,

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Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, they doubled me, they doubled t

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Speaker 3: They put single coverage on Dre Mean and andre Yoshi Vashon,

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Speaker 3: they blitzed. That's essentially him saying if you're single covered,

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Speaker 3: you gotta win. I don't have a problem with any

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Speaker 3: of it.

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Speaker 6: Also, you know, there's a difference between you know, Ted

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Speaker 6: Carris is saying we scored thirty eight, but we had

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Speaker 6: to score forty to win, and it just sucks. It's

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Speaker 6: a terrible feeling. Okay, that's fine, but like, let's let's

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Speaker 6: have some accountability. Let's hold people to a standard now.

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Speaker 6: Jamar also, by the way, dropped a pass that maybe

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Speaker 6: could have won them the game, and I'm sure there

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Speaker 6: was some displeasure with himself. I also don't think he

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Speaker 6: was asked about it, which you know, I'm curious to

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Speaker 6: see his answer on that. Right, it wasn't a great threat.

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Speaker 6: Oh but it hit Jamar Chase in the hands.

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Speaker 3: But knowing him, I would assume he'd say, that's the

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Speaker 3: ball I gotta catch.

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Speaker 14: For sure.

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Speaker 2: I have no problem with it.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate honesty, I appreciate transparency, and it felt like

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Speaker 6: to me listening to it. And part of the reason

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Speaker 6: I heard it when they aired it originally on the

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Speaker 6: Bengals postgame show and then I played it again. The

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Speaker 6: reason I did is because it related to how I

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Speaker 6: feel as a Bengals fan. I was angry, I was frustrated.

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Speaker 6: I'm mad about the way that this defense continues to perform,

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Speaker 6: and that thirty eight points wasn't enough against the worst

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Speaker 6: team in football, and Jamar had that same feeling and

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Speaker 6: I appreciated and related to that, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 6: Joe Danaman kind of touched on it. Nick Taylor kind

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Speaker 6: of felt the same way too, correct. Zach was kind

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Speaker 6: of one over there to step up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's take one more break, let's come back. We

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Speaker 3: will finish with a quick phone call to end hour two,

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Speaker 3: and then Scott Saderfield will get it started now Number

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Speaker 3: three next the SBN fifteen to thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the Naty on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen point thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 10: News on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's Sports station.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back. Our number two coming to a close. You'll

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Speaker 3: hear from Scott Saderfield to kick off our three.

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Speaker 2: Next. Before we get to that, a phone call. What's up, maso,

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 27: Boy?

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Speaker 2: You tell me that great day, great day.

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Speaker 5: Good good well. I've been sitting here in the past couple.

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Speaker 10: Of days listening to people call in and blame Duke

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Speaker 10: Cobin a lot, and rightfully so. But it got me thinking,

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Speaker 10: how many guys do we have in the scouting department.

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Speaker 10: If I recall, don't we only have like six and

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Speaker 10: the rest of the NFL has like twenty four or something.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the biggest scouting department in the NFL

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Speaker 6: is the Cleveland Browns. They have like thirty.

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Speaker 5: Okay, And who's decision at that? It's a good question.

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Speaker 6: I think it's it's mainly up to Duke Duke his staff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 10: I don't know, Okay, it is his call, Okay. I

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Speaker 10: wasn't sure if it was Mike Brown and Katie's called

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Speaker 10: you know on that on that, or if it is.

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Speaker 2: Duke, because I'm sure they play a role in that.

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Speaker 10: I was going to say, because you know they they

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Speaker 10: probably deserve a little heat too. It's like you could

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Speaker 10: probably bring Howie Roseman in come from Philly and he's

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Speaker 10: gonna fail. And with the Bengals if you're only you know,

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Speaker 10: employing six guys is on the scouting department.

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Speaker 3: I feel like with some of it too, Like my

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Speaker 3: thing would be like if Duke were to go upstairs

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Speaker 3: and say, hey, I need to hire more scouts because

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Speaker 3: of this. Is that something they're open to or is

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Speaker 3: that something that Duke just kind of keeps in house

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Speaker 3: and he's good with how they're they're heading. That would

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Speaker 3: be behind the scenes that I just don't know, we know.

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Speaker 6: But it is important to note they have expanded that

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Speaker 6: over the last couple of years. They added a director

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Speaker 6: of football Research, they added a scout, They've done more

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Speaker 6: data stuff like it has advanced. It's still not nearly

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Speaker 6: what I guess the baseline NFL level of a scouting

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Speaker 6: department would be, but it's still I guess going in

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Speaker 6: the right direction.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, gotcha, Okay, Yeah, that's I was just kind of

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Speaker 14: curious on who made that call because I knew the

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Speaker 14: Bengals were on the low end, you know, as having

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Speaker 14: personnel in that department. So I just feel like, you know,

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Speaker 14: he's kind of already got his hands tied behind his back.

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Speaker 5: But if that's his call, then yeah, then that's on him.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, yep, yeah, I think it would

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Speaker 3: be interesting on you know, if you were to go

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Speaker 3: up and say, hey, we need more people, what that

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Speaker 3: would be met with. But again, I go back to

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. You know, U see Iowa

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Speaker 3: State a lot of NFL teams in attendance. No one

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Speaker 3: from the Bengals drove ten minutes up the road.

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Speaker 6: Now who we don't know what their assignments were that weekend,

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Speaker 6: and if Duke was, you know, somewhere else, if he

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Speaker 6: was at an Ohio State game, or who knows. But

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Speaker 6: that's an example of well, if you have ten guys

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Speaker 6: instead of six, maybe one of them ends up at

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Speaker 6: UC and on have a relationship with one of those

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Speaker 6: players or one of those coaches, either at UC or

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Speaker 6: Iowa State or both, or whatever it might be. I mean,

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Speaker 6: just looking at the directory right now on the Bengals website,

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Speaker 6: you've got Duke Tobin as the director of player Personnel.

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Speaker 6: You've got Trey Labouni, which is the director of scouting

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Speaker 6: research basically, which I don't know. I would love to

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Speaker 6: know exactly what that is. Tyler Ramsey is a scout.

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Speaker 6: Tyler Josh Hinch is a scout. They have two assistant

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Speaker 6: general managers, Steven Radisivic and Mike Potts, which are basically

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Speaker 6: similar to it's funny they're assistant general managers, but there's

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Speaker 6: no official general manager, so they have all sorts of

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Speaker 6: different stuff in that player personnel department.

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Speaker 3: Sure, our three is next Scott Saderfield from the podium

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Speaker 3: earlier will lead us off on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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