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Speaker 1: Misesre. I just started my column earlier.

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Speaker 2: Leader fan fan Radio Network, Fan Radio Network, Fan Radio Network.

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Speaker 1: There we go and k f a N dot Com.

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Speaker 2: One minute and forty seven seconds past three Central Standard time.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Monday edition.

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Speaker 2: Of the Bumper to Bumper program on a feels almost

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Speaker 2: balmy mid to late December afternoon here in the Twin

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Speaker 2: Cities that we affectionately referred to as Minneapolis and Saint Paul.

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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Barrero, the host of the program,

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Speaker 2: guards he produces, and we are delighted that you are

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Speaker 2: along for today's ride that will include several distinguished and

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Speaker 2: outstanding guests, including at the bottom of this hour, TJ. Howkinson,

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Speaker 2: Viking's tight End is scheduled to join at three point thirty,

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Speaker 2: another man who apparently is not afraid of the Bumper

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Speaker 2: to Bumper. Vikings player Hope a hell of a game yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I should say, I think he led us in tackles yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I'm back to us. He let us the tackles. The

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Speaker 2: test will be whether he's still with him next year.

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Speaker 2: The test with Hockinson will be whether he's with the

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Speaker 2: club next year.

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Speaker 1: I think true.

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Speaker 2: We'll see Bikings talking points will be part of the

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Speaker 2: equation today as well. There may be an a section update,

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Speaker 2: an injury update news now I think official.

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Speaker 1: According to the head coach Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: Grenard's season has been shut He has been shut down.

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Speaker 2: His season is over aggravated a shoulder issue, and so

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Speaker 2: he's going to undergo or maybe he already has undergone

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Speaker 2: surgery that will sideline him for the rest of the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five slash twenty six season.

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Speaker 3: We play in twenty six? Is our last game in January?

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Speaker 3: I can't remember it. We wrap up in December. It

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Speaker 3: says TBD because that has to be settled. So I'm

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Speaker 3: It's got to be January. You're right, You're right. There

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Speaker 3: has to be at least one there.

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Speaker 4: Yep. You know.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of fan kfan lower stories that have

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Speaker 2: been told and retold and run into the ground over

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Speaker 2: the years. One of my favorites was the The common

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Speaker 2: Land Rant. This was back in my Instaine Wretch days

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Speaker 2: and occasionally if I a column broke late. I mean

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Speaker 2: the deal I had with the with the fan big

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Speaker 2: shots was the newspaper has to come first or I'm dead.

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Speaker 2: They're they're not going to let me do this, So

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Speaker 2: And I don't think they loved it, but I think

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Speaker 2: And on one of these occasions, and I think it

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Speaker 2: may be that Chad was unavailable that day, so I

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Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't going to get there on time.

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Speaker 2: So the only other option at that point was Common

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Speaker 3: And so Common did the rant, we probably have it

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Speaker 3: and so Colin went into the old rant about you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't I mean I understand this. I I got

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't I wouldn't presume to I wouldn't impose myself

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. That's what I do.

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Speaker 2: That's what I do, exactly it. And at one point

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Speaker 1: He just said that. As part of the bit.

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Speaker 1: It's it is.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a direct line there because that whole mantra,

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Speaker 2: it applies to the Minnesota Vikings, who are getting a

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Speaker 1: You're guy Alec Lewis. One of the tweets from him

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I have it exact, but I

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Speaker 2: the middle of the season, they would be the talk

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Speaker 1: Again, better to win than to lose, better for.

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy to show more progress, as he most assuredly

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Speaker 2: That's all to the good, but I'm sorry I can

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Speaker 2: only go so far. Again, I'd say, well, this mini

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Speaker 2: but it didn't take place in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Of the season.

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Speaker 3: It took place after, at least last night, they were

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Speaker 3: to their credit, they beat a team that needed to

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Speaker 3: of the worst defensive teams in football. So congratulations on

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Speaker 3: the two game winning streak, Congratulations on some progress being

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Speaker 1: More on that later, but I just started a little

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna now turn this into some kind of a

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get lauding the team for.

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Speaker 3: Not tanking, not gonna you know, people want us to

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Speaker 3: tank when they didn't do it, and it's a credit

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Speaker 1: I agree. I'm not a big I like doing the

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Speaker 2: My heart's not in it. I don't really mean it.

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Speaker 2: It's it's satiric, it's it's tongue in cheek. But I'm

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Speaker 2: not putting up a commemortive print, especially because, as I said,

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Speaker 2: The heat was off. They could play free and easy,

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Speaker 2: So just like I should have started my column earlier

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago, whenever that was, I'd still say Vikings

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Speaker 1: The head coach should have figured out what he seems to.

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Speaker 2: Be figuring out about his quarterback a little a little sooner.

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Speaker 1: Mark Craig had another item about this. It is five.

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Speaker 2: Items in which he believes, even in this game, there's

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Speaker 2: if the ball can get there. Yep, let's just let

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Speaker 2: a few that didn't, but he had a bunch that did.

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Speaker 2: Check his his shooting percentages well, in this case, I

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Speaker 1: Before. So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you probably you're in celebratory mode, maybe because

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Speaker 2: some value again. Sure, and I'm not going to look

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Speaker 2: that gift horse in the mouth if I'm a Vikings fan.

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Speaker 2: But this season wasn't supposed to be about consolation prizes

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Speaker 2: and feeling really good about playing a good game in

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Speaker 3: Sorry, is that too negative for you? It might be

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Speaker 3: a little too negative for me. However, I am more wistful.

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Speaker 3: It's the same concept as last week, the exact plan

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Speaker 1: Yes, at least I was I think you were.

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Speaker 3: We were saying for three months like that's what it

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Speaker 1: You gotta do.

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Speaker 3: I've been to enough colleges to know you have to

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Speaker 1: You can't skip ahead.

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Speaker 3: There's classes that you can't register for right correct, You

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Speaker 3: And we saw what the results were. And now it

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Speaker 3: seems like they are going back to freshman rhetoric. Ye

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Speaker 1: Of heaters last night.

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Speaker 3: I was convinced after whatever drive it was that I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you could tell. You could tell.

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Speaker 3: That's all he needed. He didn't need much urgent. No,

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Speaker 3: his guy was absolutely feeling it, and he still threw

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Speaker 3: one after the Howkinson platform.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, the one in the end zone.

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Speaker 3: No, there was a different one, different one, Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: JJ played well last night, and yeah, this is the

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Speaker 3: consolation prize of the season. Now at this point is

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Speaker 3: set on Friday. I do wish we were talking about

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Speaker 3: not just because it's been miserable around here, but because

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Speaker 3: like you have some more runway to build upon this

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Speaker 1: But that's not how it worked out. No, it most

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Speaker 1: assurely did not.

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Speaker 2: And well, we got good Vikings talking points that you

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Speaker 2: put together that are positive. Don't worry, there's plenty of

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Speaker 2: not sure I buy the premise that these two victories

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Speaker 2: of Vikings, look out. I mean, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned your guy t J.

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Speaker 2: Hawkinson at the bottom of the hour, John Athletic on

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Speaker 2: your red hot Minnesota Timberwolves. How are we going to

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Speaker 3: Men and women after there's a great picture of Crunch

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Speaker 2: The battered bride who makes her way back to what

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how impressive I think it is.

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Speaker 2: The quote from guarant yesterday was, you can bunt all

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, let's let's let's let's do something that maybe

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Speaker 2: That's a big swing. That doesn't look so good right now.

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Speaker 2: Like the bigness of it. I like the boldness of it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to do something big, but it's got

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Speaker 2: It took one of his subordinates calling him to say,

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Speaker 3: Exhilarating, Yeah, it has to be exhilarating if you're in

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Speaker 3: It's the best time to be a sports fan when

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the biggest name easily, this is the

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Speaker 2: I don't think, and I even think if you brought

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Speaker 1: Don't think there's been a bigger swing. Quite frankly, all right.

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Speaker 2: Let's stay on schedule because we got we expect a

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of talk around town the last

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Speaker 1: Little, Let's get the body of.

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Speaker 2: Your hands when we can, and we're not going to

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Speaker 4: and it's been fun to just just watch him be

441
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Speaker 4: able to uh, you know, grow into himself and and

442
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Speaker 4: and his what he shows every day in the practice

443
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Speaker 4: field and just be able to carry that in the sunday.

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Speaker 2: You've you've played with and work with some pretty damn

445
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Speaker 2: good quarterbacks. Obviously in your own resume speaks for itself.

446
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Speaker 2: So you know when when when outsiders talk about trust

447
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Speaker 2: developing trust between a quarterback and a specific receiver, what

448
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Speaker 2: what is that? How does that play out? You know,

449
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: how does that happen over a period of time? And

450
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Speaker 2: is it an important part of whatever on field relationship

451
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Speaker 2: is going to exist between a wide receiver and a QB,

452
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Speaker 2: a tight end and and a QB et cetera.

453
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Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean I think, uh, you know,

454
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Speaker 4: that's what we're all trying to do at the receiver

455
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Speaker 4: position is just gained the trust of of our quarterback

456
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Speaker 4: and you know that that's it takes time, It takes uh,

457
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Speaker 4: it takes some you know obviously just personal you know,

458
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 4: hanging out whatever it is, and then you know, on

459
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Speaker 4: the field, just having him trust that you're gonna go

460
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Speaker 4: make a play. You know, just you talk about trust.

461
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Speaker 4: You know the corner route that we had yesterday where

462
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 4: he just kind of flung it up there and you

463
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Speaker 4: know it was it was like, Okay, change angles and

464
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Speaker 4: go make a play for him. And and that's the

465
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Speaker 4: kind of stuff that you want him to be able

466
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Speaker 4: to feel as a receiver. Is Hey, there's the worst

467
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 4: thing that can happen is an incompletion. And you know

468
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Speaker 4: that's that's really what what we all what we're all

469
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Speaker 4: striving for. And and and JJ and I. You know,

470
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Speaker 4: we we hang out a lot. We we work you know,

471
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Speaker 4: on the field together a lot. And so it's it's

472
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Speaker 4: just you know, continue to build that revotoire, continuing to

473
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Speaker 4: build that trust. And that's with all the guys on

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Speaker 4: the field. So yeah, you're starting to see it come

475
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: out on Sunday a little more for sure. T J.

476
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Speaker 2: Hockinson Vikings tight end kind enough to join us. Johnny

477
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Speaker 2: Athletic coming up in a little bit. You know, you

478
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Speaker 2: guys knew or learned before the game that you'd been

479
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Speaker 2: mathematically eliminated from the postseason was already probably trending that way,

480
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Speaker 2: but then it became official. It surely didn't seem anything

481
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Speaker 2: in the on the way you guys played that indicated

482
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: heads were hanging or moping.

483
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Speaker 1: Is that easier said than done.

484
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Speaker 2: I get it, you're pros, you're paid to play, but

485
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Speaker 2: you're in it obviously to get in the postseason. So

486
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Speaker 2: what's that like for you individually? What do you think

487
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: it was like for the team collectively last night?

488
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you can't you can't. You can't

489
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Speaker 4: worry about other things outside of what we have going

490
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Speaker 4: on in this building, what we have going on in

491
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 4: this in this locker room. And you know, at the

492
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, you know, every year

493
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 4: is different, every every team is different, and so you

494
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: just played for the guys next year, and so that's

495
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: that's that's what we've built in this locker room. It's

496
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: just a culture that you know, there's no give up,

497
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 4: there's no hanging our hats. It's it's it's all about,

498
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 4: you know, loving each other in the locker room, being

499
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 4: as close as a close knit unit throughout that locker room,

500
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Speaker 4: and and you know, we're we're not worried about whether

501
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 4: it's the postseason or the next game or whatever it is.

502
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 4: We're just trying to go out there when we get

503
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: an opportunity in between the white lines and and go

504
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 4: play for not only our locker room, not only our

505
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 4: coaching staff and in the entire organization, but you know,

506
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Speaker 4: our fans. You know, we had a lot of Viking

507
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: fans down in Dallas, and you know, we all love

508
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 4: playing for them. They spend they spend money, their own

509
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 4: money to come watch us play. And uh, you know

510
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 4: we're gonna try to put every every single ounce of

511
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Speaker 4: our being into that game on that day.

512
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Speaker 5: You know.

513
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Speaker 2: Yet, the news breaks yesterday that a couple of heavyweight names,

514
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Speaker 2: Micah Parsons and of course Pat Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes end

515
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: up with ACL injuries to end their seasons.

516
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Speaker 1: You know how that feels. Was it December or I want

517
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: to say it was might even be in Christmas? Eve

518
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: was a twenty twenty.

519
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: Three And I'm curious to know what, I mean, what's

520
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: your best advice to players? It's I know, it's not

521
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: you know, it happens, it's these aren't the first acls

522
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: and people generally, like you've shown are able to come

523
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: back for them.

524
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Speaker 1: But what if they.

525
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Speaker 2: If one of them called you to say, Okay, what's

526
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: give me some tips on the best way to try

527
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Speaker 2: to approach this.

528
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Speaker 1: What did you learn from your own experience there?

529
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's really a a process of

530
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 4: not only the physical but the mental. You know, the

531
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 4: mental toll that the NFL season seventeen games puts on

532
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: you and then to have to really turn around and

533
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 4: it's a it's a new nine months journey that you

534
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 4: have in front of you, is it can be a

535
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 4: mental toll. And so you know, I think the biggest

536
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 4: thing that I did and I was to do was

537
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: just attack the process of the first really two three

538
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 4: months the are the biggest things where you're getting the

539
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 4: range of motion. You know, that's the you're building a

540
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: foundation and and you want that to be a solid

541
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 4: foundation and so and then and then the rest kind

542
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 4: of just kind of goes from there. So I think,

543
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 4: you know, the first really few months are big, and

544
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Speaker 4: then you know they'll obviously getting back into football and

545
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: those things, but at the at the after about a

546
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 4: few months, you know, you're really just training. You're you're

547
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: really trying to get back for an NFL season, and

548
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: and that's that, that is what it is. But I think,

549
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: you know that's the challenge, is the mental part of it,

550
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: going from you know, fifteen games that we've that they've

551
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 4: played already this year to then a solid nine month

552
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 4: journey ahead of them is is you know, it can

553
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 4: be a grind, but you just got to stay in it.

554
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Speaker 1: Is it hard not to mope early and a while

555
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: a little bit.

556
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you never want injuries to happen.

557
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 4: You know, you never want injuries. You just it's part

558
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 4: of the game unfortunately, and you know we uh yeah, yeah,

559
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's tough, it really is. It's a

560
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 4: hard feeling and you got to get over that first

561
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: part of it. But you know, once the surgery happens

562
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: and you you're able to uh start your rehab, that's

563
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 4: when when that's when things you know, you're pushing forward.

564
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, you know, now you're

565
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 4: good and everything is healed, and and now it's just

566
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 4: moving forward to the to the next year.

567
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Speaker 2: So I enjoyed the conversation. I appreciate you giving us

568
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Speaker 2: some time and good luck next week as well.

569
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Speaker 1: Thanks t J.

570
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate you. Then t J.

571
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Speaker 2: Hockinson Vikings tight End kind enough to join us this afternoon.

572
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: If we've had more time, maybe we get him again.

573
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Speaker 2: Who knows, AYO be lucky. I'm not sure I've ever

574
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: talked to him about his Iowa uh you know, career

575
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: and thoughts maybe about his head coach.

576
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Speaker 1: It was pretty good. It was awfully good.

577
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: And and you know, apparance is coming back, right, he's

578
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 2: coming back again and maybe getting to some other things

579
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: like I don't know, do maybe you know, do you

580
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: know who he rooted for growing up? That's the other

581
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: thing I'd like to ask him next time. I don't

582
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: know if I do. We're on a tight schedule, so

583
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: let's do this. We'll pause to stay on that tight schedule.

584
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: Clock management very very important. Johnny athletic, and Johnny promises

585
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: us that he's hoping we spend most of the time

586
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: talking about the Minnesota while the big Minnesota whild trade.

587
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: He's almost not just encouraging, he's demanding it. So we

588
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: may get his view on that, and who knows. We

589
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: cover little Vikings and a little Minnesota Timberwolves as well.

590
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Speaker 1: Ben Lieber will join about an hour from now

591
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Speaker 2: Vikings talking points and owe to a dead guy as

592
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Speaker 2: well before we wrap things up to