1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Destroyed about this now more than ever. Listen as often 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: as possible. Fifty five KRC The Talk Station ATO six. 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Here at fifty five KRC DE Talk Station, Happy Friday 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Eve the return of iHeart Media Abash expert Jay ratlerf 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: at the bottom the ar. Can't wait for that since 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: Jay's went off for health issues and I was really 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: looking forward to this segment. Welcome to the fifty five 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: KRC Morning Show. Award winning author Tim McGrath, who is 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: continuing the theme. We just talked with a Lincoln portray 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: as he's going to be doing a seminar tonight as 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. This man has been doing her for twenty 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: two years. Speaking of schools. He looks like Lincoln and 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: he knows everything there is to know about Lincoln. Tim McGrath. 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: He just told me that seventeen thousand books have been 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: written about Lincoln. I don't know how many books have 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: even mentioned George Gordon Mead, If there are, I don't 17 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: know who George Gordon Mead is. You've written a book 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: detailing his role in the Battle of Gettysburg Three Roads 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: to Gettysburg, subtitled Mead Lee Lincoln and the Battle That 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: Changed the war, the speech that changed the nation. Welcome 21 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: to the Morning Show, Tim McGrath. It's a real pleasure 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: to have you on. 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Thomas. How's life in Cincinnati this morning? 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: Hey, life is always good on a Friday Eve because 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: tomorrow's Friday end. It's the weekend. That's my attitude about life. 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: You've written some congratulations on the awardgy one James Monroe 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: a life Give me a fast Ship. You wrote that 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: in John Berry, which is also highly a praise an 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: American hero in the age of sail. What drew you 30 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: to write about this? Three Roads of Gettyburg, the Battle 31 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: of Gettysburg, But also George Mead? And you're gonna have 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: to give me a little insight into who George Mead 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: was and how important he turned out to be in 34 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: the course of the war. 35 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: Sure, and again thanks for having me. Happy to George 36 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: Mead's an unsung hero of the Civil War, end of 37 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: our history. He was a son coming from a very 38 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: successful Philadelphia merchantly. In fact, his dad was a hugely 39 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: successful financier. Mead was born into Spain during the Napoleonic 40 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: tail end of the Napoleonic Wars, and his father was 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: worth about had a fortune of about half a million dollars, 42 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: which would make him easily a billionaire today's times, and 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: the bit of a hard customer when it came to 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: negotiations and deals. But he lent his fortune to the 45 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: Spanish government at the end of the Napoleonic Wars, and 46 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: he never got it back. In fact, he wound up 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: in prisoned twice trying to get it back. So Mead 48 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: was not born into the better living days of the family. 49 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: He attended West Point he was fifteen and graduated nineteenth 50 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: in his class. He had wanted to be a lawyer, 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: but that door was closed him. Forsons West Point is free. 52 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: But he really had a talent for engineering. Mister Thomas 53 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: he right before and right after the Mexican War, where 54 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: he served rather gallantly under Zachary Taylor. He designed and 55 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: an oversaw construction of lighthouses from New Jersey down to 56 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: the Florida Keys, and while they're not operational, most of 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: them are still standing today. In one instance, he built 58 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: one on a key where the lighthouse had been washed 59 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: out twice by hurricanes and decided the best way to 60 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: do it was to build a skeletal structure with a 61 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: lighthouse on top and usual quarters on the key. There 62 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: were two hurricanes that wiped out everything but the lighthouse. 63 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: He was a very good judge of the ground, which 64 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: certainly came in handy at Gettysburg Kay. 65 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: But with given that background, as brilliant as it may 66 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: have been in his engineering background, how in the hell 67 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: did Lincoln end up choosing him to lead the Union 68 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: army in battle against Robert E. Lee. 69 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: Well, Lincoln was having a tough time if you're a 70 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 2: baseball fan. He was sort of like a better version 71 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: of George Steinberner trying to find managers back in the 72 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: seventies and eighties. He went to George McDowell, Urban McDowell, 73 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: George mccollan twice, John Pope, Ambrose Birdside, and lastly fighting 74 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: Joe Hooker, who had lost a disastrous battle at Chancellorsville 75 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: in May of sixty three, and kept going back and 76 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: forth with Hooker do we keep him or not? And 77 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: finally on June twenty eighth, Hooker offered his resignation for 78 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: the emptieenth time, and Lincoln took it and then sent 79 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: a friend of me, Colonel Hardy, to Frederick, Maryland, where 80 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: Mead and his corps from the Army of the Potomac 81 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: were in camp. He woke me up at four point 82 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: thirty and me thought he was being arrested because he'd 83 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: gotten into an argument with Hooker when Hooker said that 84 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: his generals all voted to retreat and me wanted to 85 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: fight another day at Chancellorsville. So when Hardy told him 86 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: that Lincoln wanted him to command the Army of the Potomac, 87 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 2: he said, I don't want to do it. And Hardy said, 88 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: this isn't an offer, this is a command. You were 89 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: ordered to take command of the army. He was a 90 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: Pennsylvanian and that might have had something to do with it, 91 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: because by now a good bit of Lee's army was 92 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: already in Pennsylvania. So he only had about three days 93 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: to try to get things organized and moving forward before 94 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 2: the Battle of Gettysburg commenced on July first. 95 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: Well, Sir, was he unproven in battle at that point 96 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: when he was tapped for that job. 97 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: No, not at all. He had been an engine and 98 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: an aid and a scalptor Zachary Taylor in the Mexican 99 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: War and served very bravely. He had by eighteen sixty two. 100 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: I had command of his own corps and at Fredericksburg 101 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: in December of sixty two, which was a total disaster 102 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: for the Army of the Potomac. Charging up to Maurice Heights, 103 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: Lee had a definite high ground to that battle, but 104 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: Mead's offense of that morning came this close to punching 105 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: a hole in Lee's line, and he had to withdraw 106 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: because he was asking for reinforcements to keep going and 107 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: did not get them. It's sad because after the war 108 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: there were jet political generals that he had either removed 109 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: or replaced or whatever that said. Oh, he didn't even 110 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: want to fight at Gettysburg. He wanted to retreat from Gettysburg. 111 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: One of them, most reciferously was a fellow Dan Sickles, 112 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: who's a story itself. We would need another time to 113 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: talk about that guy. 114 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: There's another boy for you, Tim, but. 115 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: Quite a scalawag. But he wasn't afraid to fight. He 116 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: was very well seasoned, and while not as well known 117 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: in the army, he won over their respect and was 118 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: cheered mightily after that battle and at Apamatics. He was 119 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: not present at McLean House with Grant and his entourage, 120 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: but I think he would rather have stayed with his men. 121 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: And when they got the news and he wrote down 122 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: the ranks to tell them all, he was cheered rather bravely. 123 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: Now I presume that he learned military strategy well on 124 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: the ground training in any of the battles he fought. 125 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: But did they teach military strategy at West Point when 126 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: he was there? 127 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: Oh? Sure, But it was also the best engineering school 128 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: in the Western Hemisphere, and Roberty Lee is an amazing engineer. 129 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: One of the things I found out was that he 130 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: was sent in the eighteen thirty seven to Saint Louis, 131 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: which was in danger of becoming dry dock because there 132 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: was so much silt, sand and debris coming down river 133 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: the way the current flowed that literally they weren't sandbars 134 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: so much as islands. And he didn't have the money. 135 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: He wanted to do things to get things straightened away. 136 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: But he went the fault isn't here, it's further north, 137 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: and he went up to the rapids along the river 138 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 2: in Iowa des Moines Rapids and further down and came 139 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: up with the idea of just blowing up little avenues 140 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: in the rapids and the barriers and increasing the flow 141 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 2: of the water, and it worked. He cleaned all that out, 142 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: which ticked off some Illinois speculators across on the other 143 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: side of the river who figured out, okay, that's going 144 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: to be a ghost town. We'll set up a new 145 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: commercial point and make a fortune. I found it ironic 146 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: that historians and biographers have talked about Abraham Lincoln's two 147 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 2: trips as a flat boatman down the Mississippi to New Orleans, 148 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: and how those trips changed him and hit him so 149 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: hard about the plight of the enslaved enslaved Americans, and 150 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: that his trips down the Mississippi changed Lincoln. He leaves 151 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: trip on the Mississippi changed the Mississippi. 152 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: That's amazing, so wild how things get connected like that. Now, 153 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: I want you just to briefly explain how important that 154 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: the name of the book again three Roads of Gettysburg 155 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: made Lee Lincoln, and the battle that changed the war, 156 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: and the speech that changed the nation. Of course, the 157 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: speech you're referring to one hundred and ninety second anniversary yesterday, 158 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: the Gettysburg Address, The importance of the Battle of Gettysburg 159 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: boiled down into simpler terms. How important was that battle, 160 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: and you know what might have happened had made Up 161 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: been successful, had. 162 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: Lean won, and it was the three of the bloody estates, 163 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: the highest amount of casualties in a battle those three days, 164 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: over fifty thousand between both armies and Mead would have 165 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: had to have fought another battle, but it would have 166 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: opened things up for Lee. Do I want to go 167 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: to Philadelphia? Do I want to go to Baltimore? Do 168 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: I want to go to Washington? Had had he won 169 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: the ward, there would have been another battle. It would 170 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: have been interesting to see how that turned out. Ironically, 171 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: neither general was there when the battle started. Lee didn't 172 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: get to Gettysburg until late in the afternoon. Me did 173 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: not get up, unable to get up till till it 174 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: was well after nightfall. And by the luck of the draw, 175 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: he had two other Pennsylvania generals, John Reynolds, who had 176 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: also been offered the command of the army. It had 177 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: turned it down, but a year earlier Reynolds, for the 178 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: governor of Pennsylvania, had done some reconnaissant work about if 179 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: we get invaded, where's the good spot to fight? And 180 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: he saw the high ground at Gettysburg. There's a legendary 181 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: little bit of things about the Duke of Wellington when 182 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: they asked him that the Battle of Waterloo, why did 183 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: you pick this place? And he said because I saw 184 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: it a year ago and I kept it in my pocket. 185 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: Reynolds certainly did the same thing. And ironically, while the 186 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 2: Confederate Army drove the Union Army back and out of Gettysburg, 187 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: they drove them right to the high ground Reynolds had 188 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: seen the year before. And after Reynolds died in the morning, 189 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: Mead sent Winfield Scott Hancock, another Pennsylvanian who he trusted implicitly, 190 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: to go over and say, look, you're in charge of 191 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: things till I get there. And he saw the ground 192 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: and sent a courier back to meet, say we know 193 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 2: where we're going to fight. And that's pretty much. They 194 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: held the high ground and it was a near run thing. 195 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: You know. The Confederate Army of Northern Virginia came pretty 196 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: close to breaking the line on July second, and feudalists 197 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: pickets charge turned out to be. They still broke the 198 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,239 Speaker 2: line for a brief couple of minutes up on Cemetery 199 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: Ridge and Cemetery Hill. 200 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: Well, in my understanding, of the Gettysburg address. It's so important, 201 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: and Lincoln would go from train stop to train stop, 202 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: as I understand, delivered the same address. But there was 203 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: no internet back then, there was no radio. Of course. 204 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: It redefined the Civil War, not just as you know, 205 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: there's you know, the struggle between the North and the 206 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: South and preserving the Union, but also this idea that 207 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: we need to achieve human equality. It's a moral war 208 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: in addition to a political conflict. Am I right about 209 00:12:59,160 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: the importance of that? 210 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely, mister Thomas. He didn't utter a word of 211 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: it till that afternoon. He had a couple of whistle stops, 212 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 2: and you know, we were talking. Somebody had said, I 213 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: just came back, I thought at Gettysburg or something like that. 214 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: Well he'll have to tell me about it, and so forth. 215 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: But as most people know, he was not the main speaker. 216 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 2: He was invited as a not as an afterthought, but 217 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: as a courtesy thinking, you know, he can say something 218 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: to wrap things up. And the two hundred and seventy words, 219 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: there's three different versions to sixty seven to seventy one, 220 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: but he really welded Jefferson sentence. You know that all 221 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 2: men are created equal with what he called a new 222 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: birth of freedom. And I keep thinking, as we seem 223 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: to collectively in our country have attention deficit syndrome. We 224 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: don't keep history like my generation I'm seventy four learned. 225 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: We don't teach civics and classes as my generation learned. 226 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: And so it's it's short and it's easy to read 227 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: and understand, and at the same time, it's a challenge 228 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: for each generation of Americans since the Civil War to 229 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: live up to that premise. You know that a new 230 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: birth of freedom and all men are created equal. And 231 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: I think the person who said it best, mister Thomas, 232 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: was doctor Barbara Fields and ken Burns's documentary which is 233 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: thirty five years ago, when she said the Civil War 234 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: is still being fought and it can still be lost. 235 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: Timocgrath profound words from you in the book Three Roads 236 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: of Gettysburg Mead Lee Lincoln and the Battle that changed 237 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: the War and the Speech that changed the Nation. Outstanding 238 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: booked Tim. I'm going to encourage my listeners to go 239 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: to my blog page if you have Carsey dot com 240 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: Oright producer Joe's got a linked your book and a 241 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: link to how to get it and I know they 242 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: will a lot of history buffs in the audience. I 243 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: appreciate you putting pen to paper on this one, Tim. 244 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: It's been a real pleasure talking with you, and I 245 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: know my listener's going to love the book.