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Speaker 2: Paul Skeens is gonna get paid, and it won't be

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Speaker 2: When Skeens goes to arbitration after next year, after maybe

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Speaker 1: It should be no Notting November, but it's not.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Skeens would want to play for

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Speaker 1: Star in New York. You got judged. But he's not Otani.

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Speaker 1: Not the rule.

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Speaker 2: Look around the NFL, all the great quarterbacks were selected

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Speaker 2: Whatever happened to our love? I wish I understood. You

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Speaker 2: bring on Tommy Radio. Tom John Gruen said, Will Howard

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you don't even see him sliding into that,

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Speaker 2: Now me, I'd like to spontaneously love it, Tate, I

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Speaker 3: The question that they asked him was so poorly asked.

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Speaker 3: And the answer that he gave not surprised because, as

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you how to get more people.

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Speaker 2: National anthem, played by Motley Crue guitarist John five five

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Speaker 4: X Friday afternoon, the Pen's face off against the Predators.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. You know, the Bengals offense since Joe Flacco

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Speaker 1: To be able to keep up with that Bengal offense.

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Speaker 2: Will Flacco out play Rogers because he did in Week

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm leaning towards he will because Flacco has those

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Speaker 1: Rogers got sold a bill of goods.

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Speaker 2: But then again, it wasn't nothing he couldn't have done

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Speaker 3: And the Bengals are willing to push that ball down

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Speaker 1: Of the ball.

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Speaker 2: You know what Flacco does better than Rogers is Flacco

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Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent right that Chase is seeing double covers.

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Speaker 3: He's seeing a ton of attention. But the Bengals did

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Speaker 2: Well, right, but but it doesn't change the Chase is

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Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of call him man

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Speaker 3: I think DK Metcalf is sucking for someone who's getting

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Speaker 1: No comparison. He's the best receiver in football.

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Speaker 3: And I also think the Steelers poorly constructed their wide

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with Rogers now. I'm convinced he's ready to crack.

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Speaker 2: The entire Steelers team feels ready to crack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they are teetering on the edge. And if they

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Speaker 2: Is this the week the crowded Akroscher turns on the Steelers,

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Speaker 3: It's a good chance of that happening because of that

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Speaker 2: I'm just about ready to say the Steelers lose this

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Speaker 2: I don't feel that Steelers offense is capable of scoring

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Speaker 3: After all the complaining about the field at Akrosser Stadium

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Speaker 1: You know, what is it sand? It looks like they're

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Speaker 2: Like it's like it's another sequel to doune It just it,

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Speaker 3: And they want to keep it generational too, right, And

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming so.

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Speaker 2: But but at any rate, it could be fixed, and

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Speaker 2: they don't care enough to do it. They put money first.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers are like a big budget version of the Pirates.

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Speaker 2: It's all based on money and budget. The Steelers, though,

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Speaker 2: they do stirry an x amount of wanting to win,

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Speaker 3: They have the OPI though, of actually paying players, you

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Speaker 2: The Steelers do not scrimp on player payroll. They script

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Speaker 3: I actually think they should scrimp a little more on

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Speaker 3: payroll too, right, I mean, DK Metcalf is not worth

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Speaker 3: I mean it's just a mistake to hand him forty

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Speaker 1: What do you expect when you have a bean Connor

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Speaker 2: I mean he's gonna spend on some scrimp on others,

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Speaker 1: And Tomlin obviously has his finger in that pie. But

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Speaker 1: Tomlin's star struck all the time too. That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a fantasy team, it's football cards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's well. No, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 2: The fans love that money, at least in their mind

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Speaker 1: TJ. Watt. Yeah, yeah, I don't see him holding in,

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Speaker 1: He would have showed up for that Week one matchup

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Speaker 2: It would have bitched and moaned and wet his pants,

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Speaker 2: but he would have showed up. He wouldn't have passed

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Speaker 1: He's proven to me that he's mostly.

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Speaker 3: About money, and he would have loved that baby face

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Speaker 1: Like I'm putting these differences aside for the bettermen of

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Speaker 2: You know, would be better for the team against the

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Speaker 2: Tom Win emphasizes, it's dependent on time of possession. And

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Speaker 3: Right, and they can't get anything going in the ground game,

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Speaker 1: They're doing with their running back room. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: Properly, they don't have Jalen Warren on the field on

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Speaker 1: That's a mistake. Caleb Johnson.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he just sucks or they're just

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Speaker 1: Is just a mess. Right now, Tom, What.

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Speaker 2: Do you think is the is the bigger joke to

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Speaker 2: Will Howard could be the Steelers started quarterback. Someday Paul

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Speaker 2: Skeans can stay here and win. I think that there

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Speaker 2: Now, John, I don't know where to begin when I

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Speaker 2: look at your resume. How do you pick a set

441
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Speaker 2: list for a show like Monday Nights with all the

442
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Speaker 2: great work you've done?

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Speaker 6: You know, it's a great question because a lot of

444
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Speaker 6: people come that haven't seen me before that maybe aren't

445
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Speaker 6: guitar players. So I said to myself self, what do

446
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 6: I do to keep you know, the non musician person entertained.

447
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 6: So I'm doing all of these different styles of music.

448
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 6: Like you know, if you're getting hit in the face

449
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 6: with heavy rock all the time, it will get monoton this,

450
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Speaker 6: especially if there's no vocals or anything like that. So

451
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Speaker 6: I'm doing like just an amalgamation of all these different

452
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Speaker 6: styles of music. So there's like bluegrass, and there's jazz,

453
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Speaker 6: and there's rock of course, so it really works. And

454
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Speaker 6: there's like a show as well. There's like I put

455
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Speaker 6: on all these masks and we do all this crazy

456
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Speaker 6: stuff and people are really entertained. They love it. So

457
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Speaker 6: that's what I try to look at it as as

458
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Speaker 6: a show that people are just like walking into something

459
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Speaker 6: they're not really expecting. It's expecting to see.

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Speaker 2: What's it like Playing on the bill with Richie Cotton,

461
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Speaker 2: who was also a great guitar player, is a cooperative

462
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Speaker 2: competitive maybe a bit of both.

463
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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's funny because Richie we know each other,

464
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Speaker 6: but I never really hung out with him, hung out

465
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Speaker 6: with him, and what happened was we have been getting

466
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Speaker 6: together and getting along so well. He's I mean, he's

467
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Speaker 6: an incredible singer, incredible guitar player. But we really get along,

468
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Speaker 6: really really well. And I'm not just saying that. Like

469
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Speaker 6: the tour has been so much fun. I would love

470
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Speaker 6: to do it again sometime because it's been just so enjoyable.

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Speaker 2: You're very prolific, just a lot of work and it's

472
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Speaker 2: all good. What's your songwriting process like, because that's a

473
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Speaker 2: very difficult part.

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Speaker 6: I wish I could say there was some magical thing

475
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Speaker 6: where a spirit came down, you know, from the heavens

476
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Speaker 6: or something like that. But I usually just sit on

477
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Speaker 6: the couch watching netflick and come up with stuff and

478
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Speaker 6: drive my wife absolutely insane. And that's pretty much what happens.

479
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Speaker 2: How did the Motley krue gig come about? From Zombie

480
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: to Crew back in twenty twenty two and it's worked

481
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Speaker 2: out great?

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Speaker 1: From where I'm sitting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it really is wonderful. It's been a dream. Mick retired,

484
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Speaker 6: and I'm you know, I've been close close friends with Nicky,

485
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Speaker 6: Mick and Tommy for I mean, probably with with Nicky

486
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Speaker 6: most of my life, Mick second, and of course Tommy

487
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Speaker 6: and I met Vince when I joined the band, so

488
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Speaker 6: I didn't really know Vince. But me and Mick were friends,

489
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Speaker 6: you know, are friends. I shouldn't say where we are friends.

490
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Speaker 6: And he retired and so they said, hey, you know,

491
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Speaker 6: Nicky said, hey, Mick's retiring. Would you like to step in?

492
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Speaker 6: And I said absolutely. So it's like playing in a

493
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Speaker 6: you know, in the band with your friends, and we're

494
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Speaker 6: all really close. And I still talk to Mick, of course,

495
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Speaker 6: and you know, I'm gonna be with Tommy on Thanksgiving,

496
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 6: and like, you know, we're all really really close, and

497
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Speaker 6: it's wonderful. It really is wonderful.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I've seen you with Motley a half dozen times now,

500
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Speaker 2: including a couple of times on the residency in Vegas.

501
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Speaker 2: It just seems such a very comfortable natural fit. You

502
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Speaker 2: see some guys jump into established bands, you can tell

503
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Speaker 2: they're like the spare part, but not not in this case.

504
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we.

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Speaker 6: All have too much fun together. You know, we just

506
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Speaker 6: really enjoy each other's company. And you know, I know

507
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Speaker 6: my role I am there, and I am the guitar

508
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Speaker 6: player that is, you know, I'm not I'm not a member,

509
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Speaker 6: i know, you know, And I'm just so happy to

510
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 6: be playing those songs and I'm playing them how they

511
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 6: were written. I'm not improvising or anything. I'm just playing

512
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 6: them how they're written, how they deserve to be played

513
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 6: and respected and all that stuff. So I'm super super

514
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Speaker 6: happy with all.

515
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Speaker 2: Your styles and the different kind of music you play. John,

516
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Speaker 2: I've always wanted to ask you this, what guitar players

517
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Speaker 2: do you look up to? Influences, heroes, whatever.

518
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Speaker 6: So I always have epiphanies. I always love influence. I'm

519
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 6: always looking to be influenced. So it started when I

520
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 6: was a kid with Roy Clark and Chad Atkins and

521
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Speaker 6: Jimmy Hendricks and Edie Van Halen and Randy Rhoads and

522
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Speaker 6: Vey Molmstein and Paul Gilbert and the list goes on

523
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Speaker 6: and on. A Israeli of course, And I love nowadays.

524
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Speaker 6: I love Guthrie Govin, and I love Toast and Abassi.

525
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Speaker 6: I loved all these great guitar players. So I'm all

526
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 6: always looking to be inspired and influenced. I love it

527
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 6: so much.

528
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Speaker 1: What's next for you?

529
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Speaker 2: Because you've done great solo work, You're a Motley, You're

530
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: you're definitely a guy who's in demand. You've played with

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Speaker 2: so many people.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, it's been wonderful. It's absolutely been wonderful. I'm

533
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Speaker 6: I hate to say this, but I'm so content. I

534
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 6: love to play my instrumental stuff. I love playing with Motley,

535
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 6: and you know when you're content and comfortable, that's when

536
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 6: it gets you know, you get like comfortable if you will.

537
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Speaker 6: But I am so happy. If this was the end,

538
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Speaker 6: I'm so happy with where I am, just playing my

539
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Speaker 6: instrumental stuff and playing with Motley. If that's what I

540
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Speaker 6: was going to do for the rest of my life,

541
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Speaker 6: I'd be psyched.

542
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: Well in that Van John, what are the plans for

543
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: Motley moving forward? I'm hearing we might see you guys

544
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Speaker 2: next year.

545
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Speaker 6: You know what. I can't say, but there is there.

546
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Speaker 6: I'm super excited, That's all I can say. I am

547
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 6: super excited, and I know you will be too. Seriously

548
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 6: by Joe.

549
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: I think you know and I know, but we're both

550
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: kind of sworn to secrecy for for a little bit longer.

551
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, they call me tight looks Johnny.

552
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: John, thank you so much for taking the time. I'm glad.

553
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: Did your gear survive? I know that gear was in

554
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: the trailer. Did it survive the wreck?

555
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 6: Yes, it survived, but you know it was really, really,

556
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 6: really bad. So we are super fortunate. We are super fortunate,

557
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 6: and thank you for your concern. I appreciate it. Well.

558
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see you guys Monday night. Thank

559
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: you for taking the time, John.

560
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Speaker 1: And we'll see it Jurgles.

561
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Speaker 6: You take care.

562
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: That's John five.

563
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Speaker 2: Gonna be at Jurgles Monday night, part of a double

564
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: guitar bill with Richie Cotson and uh, I mean, I

565
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen five with Crew, with Zombie,

566
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: with Marilyn Manson, with whoever. He's on freaking believable, So

567
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: check him out at Jurgles Monday Night. Up next, back

568
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 2: to Stiller Talk. We got the trifecta two one oh

569
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Speaker 2: five nine.

570
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 4: It's The Woody Show weekday mornings at six Yeah one.

571
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Speaker 1: X from the one five nine the ex Weather Center.

572
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: Our good friend and frequent guest, David Coverdale.

573
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: You hear him just now.

574
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: The Rock Roll Hall of Famer Deep Purple White Snake,

575
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: Classic Rock Sinatra DC has announced his retirements.

576
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Speaker 1: Not unexpected at seventy eight, but the end of an era.

577
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: I think selling his publishing for thirty million probably made

578
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: the blow a bit easier to take. And think about it.

579
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: Here I go again. How many movies like old school

580
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: all over the place. Uh, there's nobody in Rock I love,

581
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: respect and admire more than David.

582
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Speaker 1: So Maestro, I wish you well. And what a run

583
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Speaker 1: for David Wow.

584
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: And uh, of course we will be attempting to get

585
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Speaker 2: him on the show at some point for an exit interview.

586
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Speaker 1: Thanks to John five too.

587
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Speaker 2: He's a Jurgle Monday night and I'm a Carson's Tavern

588
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: in Scottdale Sunday at one pm four a Steelers Bengals

589
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: viewing party. That Skeans interview was like a psychological experiments.

590
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: It has pirate fins, so psyched, but nothing has changed.

591
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: Skean's got a two point five million dollar bonus for

592
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: winning the cy Young and that's not from MLB, that's

593
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: out of Nutting's pockets.

594
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: Boo.

595
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta love that. Skean said his goal was to

596
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Speaker 2: win in Pittsburgh.

597
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

598
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: I have several goals. One is to discover how to

599
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: time travel, another to levitate via mind control, and also

600
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: to become one leg of the US Olympic teams for

601
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: by one relay. We've barely talked about about the Steeler game.

602
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: We got yoe Yoh, we got Jim Florentine on we

603
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: got Dulac Gone, That'll be Steeler Talk.

604
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Speaker 1: This show really is all over the friggin' place, Tom.

605
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 2: Are you surprised the traction that the Skeens and Howard

606
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: stories have gotten today on a Steeler Thursday? And does

607
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: it reflect the fact that people, as do I see

608
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: this Bengals game as losable and maybe don't want to

609
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: talk about it. I think it does reflect that.

610
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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that Skeens has been able to take

611
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Speaker 1: over the talk because he won the cy Young he

612
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: had that great SoundBite about winning in Pittsburgh. That's not

613
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: surprising that he's driving the conversation on Thursday, and I

614
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: think he should probably drive some of the conversation today.

615
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Speaker 3: But John Gruden just opening his mouth about Will Howard

616
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Speaker 3: and sending the entire city into a frenzy, I mean,

617
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: that's just absurd. It's the third string quarterback.

618
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Speaker 2: But again, to reiterate, Skenes isn't staying He's not Nope.

619
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Speaker 2: I mean the latest he leaves is that the trade

620
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Speaker 2: deadline of the twenty twenty seven season.

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Speaker 1: Now, what could change things.

622
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Speaker 2: Is if the CBA, the new best MLBCBA really rocks

623
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Speaker 2: the foundation of the financial part of the game. But

624
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: I think it'll even if they do get a CBA,

625
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: it won't change things that much because that floor is.

626
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Speaker 1: Gonna be high.

627
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: Like the course, he said, the difference between the floor

628
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: and the cap in all the leagues isn't as big

629
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Speaker 2: as you'd think, And I looked that up and he's right.

630
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: And a salary cap league wouldn't guarantee that Nutting just keeps,

631
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Speaker 3: you know, the superstar players, keeps the whales. He'll still

632
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: ship those off so he doesn't have to pay you know,

633
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: the crazy insane count tracts to them. And like you said,

634
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: that floor, it's gonna be high, but he's going to

635
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: hug it as close as he possibly can.

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Speaker 1: Well, he'll campaign against the cap and markets.

637
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Speaker 2: Wait, it's gonna be the weirdest CBA feu'd ever because

638
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: the big money owners, who normally would campaign against the cap,

639
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: they want the cap in baseball to get a financial certainty,

640
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: and the small market owners don't want to spend in

641
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: the floor, so I they'll campaign against the cap.

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Speaker 3: Do you think there'll be a little bit of a

643
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: schism with the big market owners though, like I could

644
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: see them the Mets owner just seems like he wants

645
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: to burn money, like he doesn't care.

646
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Speaker 1: And same with the Dodgers, right, like the Dodgers are

647
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Speaker 1: all you know why, I don't think there will be.

648
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Speaker 2: You know, one thing all those big money owners hate

649
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: is the luxury tax because it's money for nothing. They're

650
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: just giving it away because they spend too much. That

651
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: basically every salary cap is designed to protect the owners

652
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Speaker 2: from themselves.

653
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Speaker 3: And it's got to be almost a guarantee that in

654
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: a capped league, revenue sharing goes out the door, right,

655
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Speaker 3: So that's another motivation for small market teams and small

656
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Speaker 3: market owners, like there's not going to be revenue sharing

657
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Speaker 3: for the bigger.

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Speaker 2: Markets if there is, Ompius Musk not as big of

659
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Speaker 2: a pie yet because.

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Speaker 1: The cap, in theory, should make up the difference exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's the competitive balance where this is supposed to be

662
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Speaker 1: the competitive balance, but it just goes right to guys

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Speaker 1: like nuttings pockets.

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Speaker 2: What absolutely has thrown all this out of whack and

665
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Speaker 2: has for a number of years is the collapse of

666
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Speaker 2: the regional sports networks which used to give those teams

667
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Speaker 2: like the Pirates so much money. The Pirates, I mean

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Speaker 2: I can't get an exact figure because nobody tells the

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Speaker 2: truth about them. But I've been told the pirates TV

670
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: money locally dropped by like, you know, thirty to forty

671
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Speaker 2: million maybe more per year.

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Speaker 3: And then look at the team's actions, right, they cut

673
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: payroll at the trade deadline this year, and everybody's like, well,

674
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Speaker 3: that's because they're opening up stuff. That's stupid thing that

675
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: everybody said. They're opening up some stuff to spend now

676
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Speaker 3: in the offseason. No, they had to cut payroll because

677
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: they lost the TV deal. You were all over that

678
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Speaker 3: when it happened. You're like, they're gonna cut payroll because

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Speaker 3: of this.

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Speaker 2: I hope, I hope they put a cap in so

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Speaker 2: at least when the usual suspects, the stewges, say that

682
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: they're opening up space on payroll, they actually are because

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Speaker 2: without a cap, you're not opening up anything.

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Speaker 1: You can spend what you want. Yeah, exactly. Every team

685
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Speaker 1: has a budget still.

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Speaker 2: That's just they're treating the situation like there is a

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Speaker 2: cap when there.

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Speaker 1: Is, yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And again it's motivated on them and needing to save

690
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Speaker 3: money now because they lost the revenue from their TV deal.

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Speaker 1: What's going to the trifecta, Tom, what do you got well?

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Speaker 2: Well, by the way, the pregame show brought to us

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Speaker 2: by Shendrorovi, shendro Opits and Fisherman, we love them.

694
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Speaker 3: We can get into some Steeler talk here. I got

695
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Speaker 3: a Steelers Bengals trifecta.

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Speaker 1: Mark.

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Speaker 3: Here are three things that the Steelers offense has to

698
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Speaker 3: get right, has to get going against that abysmal Bengals defense,

699
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: and if they don't, we're in big trouble. Number one

700
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Speaker 3: is DK Metcalf has to have his biggest game of

701
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Speaker 3: the season. Bengals are the second worst passing defense in

702
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Speaker 3: the NFL. Do you know who the first is? You

703
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: know who the worst is? Go ahead, the Steelers. The

704
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: Steelers are the worst pass should have guessed, but the

705
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: Bengals are the second worst. And they got no one

706
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Speaker 3: in that secondary that should match up with the DK.

707
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: They got no two ones in that secondary. I don't

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00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: care about double teams. DK's got to go off in

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Speaker 3: this game. Number two, if the Steelers don't run the

710
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Speaker 3: football against Cincinnati, the absolute worst rush defense in football,

711
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 3: we got big, big problems in the running game. Because

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00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: Jalen Warren had his best game as a running back

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Speaker 3: against the Bengals in the first meeting. That's got to

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Speaker 3: carry over into this one. But number one, they gotta

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Speaker 3: be better on third down conversions in their past three games. Mark,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard this. Williamson pointed this

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00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: out in one of his stat blasts. They're converting just

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Speaker 3: fifteen percent of their third downs. Twitter, Yes, shotting them

719
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Speaker 3: fifteen percent of your third downs in the past three games. Well,

720
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Speaker 3: the Bengals give up third down conversions out of forty

721
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Speaker 3: nine point one percent.

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Speaker 1: Clip.

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Speaker 3: It's like a coin flip every so you better convert

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Speaker 3: third down. What I'm always interested in.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the trifector brought to us by

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Speaker 2: Danny's patron Hogies, Great Pizza, Great Hogy since nineteen sixty.

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Speaker 1: It's on Route eighty A to Bethel Park. Which always.

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Speaker 2: Intriguing me about third don conversion rate is I'd like

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Speaker 2: to know you know what the don and distance was,

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Speaker 2: and like it broken down further because if you're behind

731
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Speaker 2: the sticks, that explains a lot too. And I suspect

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Speaker 2: in these last three games the Steelers have been behind

733
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Speaker 2: the sticks a lot.

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Speaker 3: No, I think they're terrible. No matter what I think.

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Speaker 3: If it's third and two, they don't get it. If

736
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Speaker 3: it's third and fifteen, they don't get it. They just

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00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 3: don't get third downs for whatever reason. They throw short

738
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: of the sticks constantly, they called wrong plays on short

739
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: yardage situations. But most importantly, their personnel packages are always wrong. Specifically,

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Speaker 3: Jalen Warren's never out there. He's their best player on

741
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 3: offense period this year, which is saying something. He's their

742
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Speaker 3: best player by far on third downs, and they have

743
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Speaker 3: Kenneth gain while out snapping him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just yeah, I still can't believe gained Well

745
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: got more snapsus Stelley than Warren. I think the team,

746
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Speaker 2: I mean, I know people think I hate Tomlin. I

747
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: don't hate anybody. That's not true. I hate a lot

748
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 2: of people. No, I don't hate the guy. I don't

749
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: know the guy. I just think he's an incompetent coach.

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Speaker 2: I hate the way he's embraced by the national media.

751
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: You know, every a lot of local stooges. But that

752
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: you know, all that's declining. The bloom Is is going

753
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: off his rose very quickly. But I just think this

754
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: team is grossly mismanaged. I think it was horribly assembled

755
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: and now the application like like having what was supposed

756
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: to be a strength with your tight end room and

757
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: they all are underutilized, DK Metcalf being a bust, Warren

758
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: getting less steps than gain Well, that defense being the

759
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: highest paid the league history, and it still can disappear.

760
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: Tj walking in that contract and now being clearly in decline.

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Speaker 1: I could go on and on about.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I'm going to with my monologue next to Hoard,

763
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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna just just delivered.

764
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Speaker 1: Too much of a spoiler.

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Speaker 2: But how bad does this team have to be and

766
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Speaker 2: be assembled to be administered before people understand that it's

767
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: just once again got a one way ticket to Puluka.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, because it is just hitting you in

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Speaker 3: the face all those things you listed, Roderick Jones, ruining

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Speaker 3: him face Rogers.

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Speaker 2: Rogers knows now when I see swing the ball to

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Speaker 2: the ground and discuss how many times in LA he

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Speaker 2: knows that this isn't what he bargained for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he is starting to realize that, and

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00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: I think he's recognizing things that we all are too,

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Speaker 3: Like why am I looking to my right on these

777
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Speaker 3: third downs? And Kenneth Gainwell is the person in my

778
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Speaker 3: shotgun sidecar. Why is this not Jalen Warren. He does

779
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: everything better than gain Well. He's more of a threat

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Speaker 3: to run the ball on like third and six. It's

781
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: actually better in press protection. He's better, way better in

782
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Speaker 3: pass protection. Again, they use Caleb Johnson on first and

783
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Speaker 3: second down.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Why won't they use Gainwell on first

785
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Speaker 1: and second down?

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Speaker 6: Why?

787
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Speaker 1: Why is that not an option? He did it fine

788
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Speaker 1: in Dublin. Just throw him out there early.

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Speaker 2: You know who could totally ruin to Thomas's reputation is

790
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. If Aaron Rodgers said after this season it

791
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: wasn't what I thought, He's not what I thought. Things

792
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: were said not delivered. It just was a bad situation.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I see him doing that really.

794
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: Because he's a crack pod who likes to hear himself.

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Speaker 3: There's ever a person this might be it, but I

796
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Speaker 3: don't know if I would bet on that. I don't know, though.

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny.

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Speaker 2: You know who the one person who could lead him

799
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Speaker 2: into that trap is Pat McAfee. But he wouldn't because

800
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Speaker 2: he's a tom win mark and a Steelers mark.

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Speaker 3: He would avoid that completely and what other show is wrong.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if something actually happened between those two. I

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Speaker 3: wonder if there's more between, you know, the Steelers being like, hey, Rogers,

804
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: we suggested.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think any happened between.

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Speaker 2: I don't know because Pat never even mentions him as much,

808
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: and he also hasn't had him on even sporadically.

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Speaker 3: That's what I mean, like not even like a check

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00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 3: in kind of interview, mid season report or something like that.

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Speaker 2: I think the impetus was that the Steelers may not

812
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: have barred Rogers from doing McAfee because I don't think

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00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 2: that Rogers would respond well to that, and the Steelers

814
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: would know that, but I think they probably said we

815
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Speaker 2: would prefer that.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right, But it'll be telling when Rogers

817
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: has done as a Steeler, you know how many months,

818
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 3: past years, maybe without him going on McAfee, then that

819
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: might tell a tale that it was more than just that.

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Speaker 2: Uh did you see uh what Pat said after he

821
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Speaker 2: had Trump on. No, that's tremendous. Pat got a lot

822
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Speaker 2: of criticism because he had Trump on on Veterans Day,

823
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: and Pat said that if you don't like Trump being

824
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Speaker 2: on his show Tuesday, then quote, you hate the troops.

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00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: He said that you hate the troops unquote. Pat said that,

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Speaker 2: and that he's at Fu too. You hate the troops

827
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Speaker 2: in Fu, ESPN. That is what the worldwide leaders become.

828
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: You should be embarrassed. I say that to you because

829
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Speaker 2: Pat knows no shame. But Pat's never been more unhinged,

830
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Speaker 2: and part of me likes it just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: One oh five to nine